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Brett Keane Homosexuality, Kent Hovind Article, Personal Theological Philosophical Positions · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Look. Like you got me in there.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  I guess you can't hear the music, huh?
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  How you doing? Hello.
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  Well, goodness. I guess she doesn't have her
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  audio working, hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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  My name is Brett Keen from God TV radio.
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  I hope you're all having a blessed day out there.
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  It's been a rough couple weeks as it not.
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  Hi, can you hear me? Julie, can you hear me?
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  Yes, I can hide. I was I put us up there and was
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  still playing the introduction music and you like hello.
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  Yes, I am. Tech savvy.
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  I'm terrible, it's all good. Let me get rid of this little
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  show will begin soon deal. So Julie when you and Nikolas
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  going to start uploading some inspirational videos, you two
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  are pretty good with the whole God thing and now that a bunch
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  of you know young Earth creationist or fallen off the
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  map on YouTube we're going to need some people who actually
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  got some decency about them. I know Nick.
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  It is so good. I mean, I love picking at Nick's
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  brain because he's just so full of knowledge.
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  He is so smart when it comes to science and especially with
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  creation science and it's just phenomenal.
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  I love picking out his brain and talking about the flood and and,
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  you know, just things out in space and our universe.
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  And it's just really I love speaking with him about that.
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  So amazing. I learned so much from him.
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  All right, here you there. Julie, I don't know if you seen
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  my show last week where I basically was reading off a long
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  article, it seemed like you and Nikolas.
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  Also seen the latest video Steven Bolin you got an opinion
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  on that you're talking about with The Daily Beast.
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  Why? I guess we could go with the
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  video first and then we'll work our way into the article.
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  So what did you think about the Stephen Bolin where he roasts
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  can't fantastic? That was Complete gold mine that
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  you found because when any of us come out and tell the truth you
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  know we get discredited for our testimony on what we say and
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  people just character assassinate US you know every
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  time we come out and speak the truth.
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  So it's awesome that that there's proof and evidence that
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  we show to show people that we're not the ones lying.
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  It's actually they're the ones lying because Cuz they just talk
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  and they don't show any proof and facts and evidence.
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  But Cindy does Cindy has so many text messages emails,
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  documentation. She has so much to show proof of
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  that, she's not lying and that were not lying.
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  But when Kent hovind speaks and when Steven Bolin speaks and
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  when Joanna speaks they got no proof of nothing.
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  They don't have anything to back it up.
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  With, and they just character assassinate and it's really,
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  really sad. How they are people that choose
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  to believe They're false accusations.
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  But then when marks Tony and when Cindy, and when I come out
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  and speak, people choose to not believe us when we're actually
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  showing proof on top of what we're saying, and it's just
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  really sad how people just choose to believe the false
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  stuff versus the truth. And it really breaks my heart,
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  it's really a vicious cycle and I really feel like we are in
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  this snake pit. And that's what it feels like.
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  It's basically What It Is. Well, I got a question for you
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  as you probably know from watching my shows in the back,
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  there was a moment there. Where mr.
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  Steven Bolin. He wanted to be one of the
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  co-hosts of God TV radio, but he would make videos where he
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  defended Kent. But then in the background, when
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  he's talking to me, he would basically dumped on everybody.
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  I mean, including Kent, but then on video he Defending.
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  Why is Steven like this today? I mean, what do you get from the
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  guy when you were around him personally?
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  Well, he's, he's a two-faced, and he is a backstabber and he
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  acts one wound camera and he acts a different way off camera
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  and I don't trust him, I thought we were friends at one point but
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  man, he will turn on you and it's not good.
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  And so I usually We don't like to be friends with people like
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  that. I don't like to surround myself
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  with people like that. Now, if he chooses to repent and
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  apologize and change fine, then maybe we can start a
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  relationship from there. But Stephen Bolin, he is going
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  to go where the money is and anybody who is willing to help
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  him out financially, so he can get any source of financial
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  gain. That's where he's gonna stick
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  by, you know, And and it really breaks my heart because him and
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  Cindy. They were very close.
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  But one time Steve Boleyn was on Cindy side and completely
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  understood how corrupt and mean and degrading can hoeven was to
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  her and abusive towards her mentally and physically.
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  And then when Steven Bolin was working on this job for Cindy
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  and they did a terrible job and I'm not trying to say that to be
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  mean, they are Honestly did a terrible job, building this
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  cabin for her. They weren't building this
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  cabin. Right.
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  And so when Nick and I will hold on.
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  Julie, do you remember in the video, a Steven Bolin.
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  He even said something to the effect, although he was claiming
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  that Kent was like this, Steven said one of the ways that you
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  can make money and be able to run a business as to do a
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  terrible job, the first and second time and then you'll
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  repeatedly get He didn't do all this.
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  He actually said that in the video clip.
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  I don't know if you noticed that, so he may have done that
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  deliberately so he could keep on, you know, getting money out
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  of Kent to do that. Well, not only that, he wants to
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  subscribers. He wants the views for his
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  channel, he just wants, Steven bowling doesn't want to work.
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  He wants to sit back. Relax, get his face on a camera
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  to get his Fame. He loves to keep interviewing
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  dr. Hogan on his show all the time,
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  so we can get all of those subscribers and views.
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  And that's what he wants to do. I, you know, he's only going to
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  be after healing wants Fame and money, and that's all he wants.
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  And, and the thing that's so, upsetting with Stephen Bolin, is
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  that? He knows the truth.
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  He knows especially the thing with Joanna that he interviewed
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  her. I spoke with Steven bullet
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  personally on, my, on the phone myself, and let's not forget,
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  Julie, he's well aware of the Chris Jones and the children
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  that suffer serious him, and he would care more about Popularity
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  and fame than children's lives. That's exactly right.
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  And that's what I'm trying to get out to a state.
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  Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's really, really sad and
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  it really breaks my heart because he likes to show his
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  face on camera and act like he's so Godly and he loves the Lord.
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  And he loves to throw scripture at people.
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  But yet inside, he is just a raging wolf and there's a
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  scripture that says That his words are as smooth as butter,
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  but yet, his heart is at War and in Psalms, there's a scripture
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  in Psalms that says that, and that's exactly what's going on
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  with him. And I see those types of people
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  can't be trusted and he's a smooth talker.
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  He's a scam artist, he's a con artist.
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  He's just like can hoeven and you know the Apple doesn't fall.
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  Fall too far from the tree. Julie, I don't know how to speak
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  in a trust. I don't know how to gain, Mark,
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  or Cindy's, trust anymore. Cindy's been nice to me, and
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  she's lost some very supportive comments but I still feel like
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  there's a lot of hurt with Mark, as well as Cindy because I
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  didn't know who to trust back then.
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  I had Steven all up in my ear. Kent was having all these men
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  who work for him, calling me up saying that the people who were
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  were you. No, doing volunteer up their
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  doll were basically, this franchise people, people who
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  were just angry, people do already ruined their lives and
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  all that. And you got a guy like Ken,
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  who's really good at talking? I know.
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  Atheist say that he's stupid as hell, but he's not, he's slick,
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  he's smart and he has a lot of Charisma to be able to fool
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  people. You know, that Jolie nickel,
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  yes. But that he felt condom self and
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  I don't I don't have the advantage Julie that you are
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  many others dead. Where I could see what he was
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  about in real life. I wasn't there.
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  So I didn't I didn't know who to believe or who to agree with my
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  feel bad. I know it feels like a bit of a
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  betrayal. But do you have any advice for
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  me, on how I can at least get some amount of trust back from
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  Mark and Cindy because they seem angry with me, especially Mark,
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  I would say patience, Patience and you know, patience is a
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  virtue and just wait, you know, keep keep doing what you're
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  doing. Keep, you know, defending them
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  as you know what is true to you know and and that's why it's so
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  important to always do your own research.
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  You know. It's not it's not good to take
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  anybody's word for anything. Always do research, you know,
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  it's very important for people to do that but I would just say
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  Patients, you know, keep defending what you know is true
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  and when Mark and Cindy are speaking the truth and, you
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  know, that defend them on that defend the truth, you know,
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  defend on whoever speaking the truth.
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  I think that's what we should be doing.
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  And and, of course, just patience is what I can say and
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  they'll come around Mark and Cindy are wonderful, wonderful
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  people there. They're not these people that
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  can hoeven and Stephen Bull and betrays them to be and
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  especially With missing mod right now, she blows my mind.
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  I don't know where she came from.
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  She is speaking. Things that she has no idea
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  about she doesn't, I she's meddling in other people's
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  matters and I'm very upset with missing mod right now.
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  She's 100% in the wrong fraudulently.
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  Falsely accusing Cindy of things that she's doing that.
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  She is not and missing mod. If you're listening right now,
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  you you got to do your research before.
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  Before you start falsely, accusing people of what you
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  think that they're doing because for you to come out the way you
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  are. And you have no idea about
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  anybody, it's very wrong of you and you should not be meddling
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  in other people's matters. I don't know where you came
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  from. This is none of your business
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  and you are starting strife and Discord among Brethren and it's
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  not good for you to be talking and speaking things.
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  That are not happening. It's very wrong and it's very
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  dangerous. It's causing a lot of trouble
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  with people and it's not good. You're putting Cindy's life in
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  danger when Chris Jones got shot and was attacked and then you go
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  on the camera and say that Cindy is the one that bought a plane
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  ticket for Chris Jones who is a known pedophile so he can flee
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  out of this country. Do you understand the danger
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  that you put Cindy? Because what if those people
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  that attacked Chris Jones and shot him the way they did and
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  they come across your video. And see that Cindy is the one
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  that helped this man, which Cindy did not, but you claim
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  that she did. You don't think that that's
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  going to put Cindy's life in danger.
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  And those people come after and harm Cindy and everybody knows
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  Cindy's address because Stephen Bolin allowed Joanna to also
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  false. We accuse Cindy of trying to do
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  nasty, terrible things to people and he blasted her address up on
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  this internet. It's not good and it's very
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  dangerous. When people start coming out and
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  falsely, accusing other people of what had happened.
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  This is, this is very serious stuff.
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  We are you aware that it was Stephen who originally come to
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  me, and he said, oh, by the way, there's this person that used to
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  be friends with Cindy and then flip, Over to Kent side, a star
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  witness for cord or something like that, and that's how I was
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  introduced. And then Kent told me that he
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  wanted me to put Joanna up on the screen.
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  Because Joanna knows all kinds of things.
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  This was another reason I was super confused, but I talk to
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  Joanna. I listened to her and she said,
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  everything from Poison cookies, too.
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  She even told some kind of story in the background after we
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  stopped recording, which made me realize that she was mentally
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  Really ill. She said that there were ghosts
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  that were dancing on her roof and something about a sexual
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  encounter with Spirits. Yeah, we're heard this.
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  So whacked a story before and I noticed the send, he's probably
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  sitting there whenever she was listening video probably gone.
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  Oh why is Brett going along with this?
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  When you have someone who's like mentally unstable, making up all
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  kinds of shed and everything on the show?
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  I mean what do you do? Say Hey you retarded, or do you?
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  Try to follow along with what's going on even though it sounds
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  absolutely insane. What would, what would have you
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  done, Billy? Well, what I'm trying to do,
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  when I hear again, when I hear people coming out and talking
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  nonsense like this, if they were saying, silly stupid stuff,
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  whatever. But the problem is, is that for
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  an example, with missing, modern with Joanna.
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  The problem is, is that Joanna's coming Out on the internet
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  saying, that Cindy is trying to shoot Kent and kill him.
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  Cindy has a hole in her backyard that she's trying to bury people
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  in and set the body's on fire. Joanna, Joanna came out and said
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  Cindy's making magic cookies to poison people while they eat
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  them. Those are very serious act false
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  accusations that you're doing to somebody.
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  It's not like, oh, this person. It's not talking about any
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  stupid petty stuff, this is real serious stuff.
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  With Missy mod coming out and falsely saying that Cindy bought
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  a pedophile, a plane ticket. So he can flee the country.
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  This is this is dangerous. So if they were doing piddly
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  wittily sayings like something stupid, I would pay no mind to
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  it. It's crazy, but they're not,
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  that's the problem. And the thing why I'm so upset
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  with Steven Bolin, is that Steven, Bolin knows the truth.
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  I spoke to Steven Bolin personally myself, and he said,
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  Julie, I know you're telling the truth, I know you're not like
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  that. Okay.
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  Then why are you posting a Joanna's interview on your
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  channel then? So everybody can hear this false
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  testimony of hers and the thing with the dancing on the ghost
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  thing, which he told me, I was going my husband and I my mother
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  lives in Las Vegas. My husband and I were going to
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  take the kids and go visit grandmother, my kids grandmother
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  my mom and so I needed somebody to house-sit so I couldn't find
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  anybody. I found I asked you And I said,
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  would you like to house-sit for me while my husband?
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  I go to Vegas to see my mom. They will be gone for about a
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  week or so, we'll be back and she said, sure, sure, sure,
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  sure. I would love to stay and watch
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  your home. I feel safe at your house
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  because just last night, there were two men dancing on top of
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  my trailer, and I heard them talking, they're having a
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  full-on conversation and I just didn't want it.
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  Tell them to leave or anything. So I just let them dance up
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  there and have this conversation on top of my RV.
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  I would love to house-sit for you because I feel safe at your
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  home because there's two men outside doing this.
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  Now me knowing Joanna is unstable.
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  I feel bad for her, right? I was always very kind with
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  Joanna. Cindy has a recording of our two
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  last conversations that we had because I brought up with things
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  with Johanna because she was Lying about stuff that I knew
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  she was. So I confronted her about it and
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  because I confronted Joanna on her lies that she had told me.
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  She got super, super mad at me and started attacking Cindy the
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  way she did. When Cindy had no part of any of
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  this conversation, it was me confronting Joanna on some of
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  the untruthful things that she told me.
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  And that was it. He flipped his switch in
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  started, making up these crazy things about myself to let
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  alone. Cindy So let me ask you about
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  something. I guess we could roll into the
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  article and still talk about a lot of stuff back and forth but
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  Julie your the you were the Secretary of Kent hovind for a
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  while there and you were the one that also got sent out to do an
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  introduction with Chris Jones whenever he got there with the
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  boy, right? Yes, now, you were originally,
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  according to the article. I'm from what you told me in the
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  past and I you have to forgive me, Julie.
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  I heard so many stories from so many different people that
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  unfortunately, I pissed some people off because I
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  accidentally get the story wrong from somebody or get it right
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  from another and people think that I'm intentionally doing
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  that but when you talk like 50 damn people, you know over the
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  time of months you start getting things.
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  A little muddy, especially if you've never been there.
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  So you came out, you originally, you were also one of the people
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  who said Okay, we've got a person here.
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  We got to put them in a cabin and you attempted to put Chris
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  in a cabin with two beds that were separate from each other
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  correct? Well, yes, but I was actually
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  going to put them in the man cave where there's 12 other,
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  guys with them. So I wasn't just going to put
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  them in a cabin with two beds were just them by themselves.
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  There's the man cave at dinosaur eventually and we're all the
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  single men come and stay and sleep in.
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  It's kind of like, one big Groom with bunch of bunk beds in it.
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  So I was going to make two beds in the man cave where there's 12
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  other guys with them. So they're not alone together
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  and dr. Hoeven told me know, because a
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  lot of people when Chris Jones showed up, there's a lot of
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  people that were super super upset with dr.
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  Hovind Not understanding why he's allowing a pedophile to
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  come to a children's ministry basically, because there's kids
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  there. So dr.
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  Hovind told, me know, there's a lot of people here who are very
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  upset that Chris is here. I can't have sleep here.
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  He's going to sleep in the house next door.
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  That's when I told dr. Hovind.
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  He can't sleep at the house next door because I have my it was my
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  bed, my queen mattress. On the floor there and one of
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  those rooms in the house that was it, not Nick and I found a
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  new house to go and I already moved out all of our stuff
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  because that was the first original house.
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  We were going to buy and then that fell through and then we
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  found another home to buy move into.
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  So I told dr. Hoeven, I already moved all my
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  stuff out. I took the couches, the chairs
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  you name it. It's gone.
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  The house is bear empty. I left my mattress there that I
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  still had to pick up. I told Dr. Hovind, that they
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  can't sleep at the house next door.
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  There's nothing over there. Dr. Hovind said to me, it's
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  okay, I got it handled. Don't worry about a thing.
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  You go home and be with your husband.
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  I said, fine, and I still kick myself in the ass today that I
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  did not call the police, and I should have and that's going to
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  haunt me for the rest of my life.
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  And I'm really, really upset that I did not call the police
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  that night and I really Should have.
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  And that's the thing with. I mean, she's so upsetting, I'm
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  still upset about it, I always will be probably for the rest of
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  my life. That's going to haunt me.
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  Well, it sounds like you tried to do the best you could.
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  There's not really anything. I supposed to call the police
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  would have been the thing then, but it sounds to me like you
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  were put in a position where you were just absolutely stunned and
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  shocked and you had a lot of he had a lot of faith and can told
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  them and I did those, he's got things taken care of.
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  The only thing you can't assume is that he'll, you know, how
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  could he possibly put a child in danger was probably your
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  thoughts back then? Yeah.
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  Well I mean I should have known better because if I'm hearing
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  this is a pedophile now of course can't saying he did
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  nothing wrong and he's innocent which blows my mind why he wants
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  to protect pedophiles so badly just odd.
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  But anyway, the situation, I should have just called the
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  police and that's going to haunt me for the rest of my life,
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  because he did get molested that little boy, under Kent hovind's
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  watch and I was going to put them In the man cave with 12
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  other guys with them. So they weren't alone together
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  and I'm so upset because he ended because that little boy
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  ended up getting molested and it's and it breaks my heart.
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  And I had the power to do something about it and I didn't
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  do it. I was trusting too much of dr.
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  Hovind. By just saying, okay, I'll go
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  home and be with my husband and I was too trusting of that, and
• 30:33
  of him. And Julie, I've got a question
• 30:38
  for you and I'm sorry I can tell that this is upsetting and
• 30:42
  causes anxiety and all that. Are you aware?
• 30:46
  I've got a did some recordings on an older show of Canto been
• 30:52
  calling and leaving a recording on the show.
• 30:55
  He said that he said that the mother because apparently the
• 30:58
  mother is wanting to do some kind of, I guess, charge against
• 31:03
  Chris Jones or whatever and do a court thing.
• 31:05
  NG and Kent went on the recording and it's on my radio,
• 31:09
  as well as the video saying that, oh, This Woman's been
• 31:13
  married like this many times, and she's got this many kids
• 31:17
  with this, she's on welfare and sells our food stamps and all
• 31:20
  this. And it was kind of shocking
• 31:22
  because I remember Kent saying, oh, yeah, me and the mother are
• 31:26
  friends and we get along. And there's, there's no issue
• 31:29
  like that. I've talked to her, and all
• 31:31
  this. And then whenever Chris Jones
• 31:33
  gets in trouble, all of a sudden this woman, Most terrible piece
• 31:36
  of trash on the planet chance here to recording yourself.
• 31:42
  Well, I did not hear that recording that you are
• 31:44
  mentioning, but I do believe you that that recording did happen
• 31:47
  because that is totally how dr. Hovind talks.
• 31:50
  He he projects He gaslights and he does character assassination
• 31:57
  because when doctor doctor, you have to understand dr.
• 32:01
  Hovind does no wrong, dr. Hogan is this perfect ideal
• 32:05
  Husband dr. Hoeven is this perfect posture?
• 32:08
  Who does no wrong? He is a charismatic.
• 32:11
  Con artist is what can't hoeven is and he's a total scam and he
• 32:18
  manipulates he projects. He tricks people.
• 32:23
  Okay, and so when there's and and when there's dr.
• 32:28
  Hovind has to look good at all times.
• 32:31
  And if you've noticed, you'll never hear ten Joven it a
• 32:34
  mention. That he has done anything wrong.
• 32:37
  You'll never hear him apologize for anything that he does wrong.
• 32:40
  You'll never hear him. He just does no wrong.
• 32:43
  That's what he says. And and so that's a form of
• 32:48
  projection that he always does. If the he always has to Shine
• 32:52
  the Light somewhere else and see in this is the problem that I
• 32:55
  have with Ken hoeven. I'm not against his message,
• 32:58
  even though he does twist scripture, very bad lie and
• 33:04
  wrong, he does do that. At so that I disagree with.
• 33:07
  There's a lot of scriptures that he does twist and manipulate to
• 33:10
  his audience to for it, to fit his agenda and for him to
• 33:14
  justify his sinful actions. But anyway, that's a different
• 33:18
  story. You only I agree with you.
• 33:21
  None of the videos that I've done is against his views on
• 33:24
  Evolution, or whether people think he's right or wrong about
• 33:28
  it. I agree with him on a lot of
• 33:30
  this geology except for the young Earth creationism stuff.
• 33:33
  I'm not, I I don't feel like Qualified at least in science to
• 33:37
  be able to State. What the age of the Earth is, as
• 33:40
  far as I'm concerned. It could be older than what
• 33:42
  scientists claim, but it's about the behavior.
• 33:45
  It's about the abuse and the way people are treated correct.
• 33:49
  That's what I was going to say. I'm not against the message.
• 33:51
  For saving though, there's things in the scriptures that he
• 33:54
  twists has and manipulates to to fit his and justify his actions
• 33:59
  but I'm upset with his behavior. His behavior does not fit with
• 34:05
  with what he preaches. That's the problem.
• 34:08
  Can hoeven does not live by. What he preaches.
• 34:12
  He'll preach and act like this Godly person on camera but when
• 34:16
  he's off camera, he's so Sly and slick and Kant and cunning and
• 34:21
  it's not good and it's really sad that people just don't see
• 34:28
  that. There's some people he can
• 34:31
  hoeven has such strong strong, strong, strong followers that
• 34:34
  they're not seeing spiritually. You know, they're they're easily
• 34:41
  fooled there easily tricked and so and he has such strong
• 34:44
  followers, he just does no wrong, it's crazy.
• 34:48
  So anyway, what I do is I pray for the people.
• 34:50
  I just pray, I just--there's. All that's all we can do is just
• 34:53
  pray for people to see through his fakeness space of what he
• 35:01
  is. You just fake, he has a fake
• 35:03
  smile up on camera and and he's very charismatic and it's not
• 35:08
  good. Good.
• 35:09
  It's not good. It's really sad.
• 35:12
  But under I wanted to ask you about something.
• 35:17
  The I don't know if this is out of your perfume or necklaces,
• 35:21
  but I know that there was a first wife named Joe.
• 35:25
  I believe is her name. She was the original mother of
• 35:28
  Eric hovind, right? Yes.
• 35:31
  Now, did I from what I've read and there's, there's like,
• 35:35
  different kind of views on this on the internet but Joe went to
• 35:38
  prison as well, but she went for a shorter sentence are Yeah,
• 35:42
  we're ready. So, yes.
• 35:44
  So what happened was and this is this is terrible of Kent,
• 35:48
  terrible. I can't believe he threw his own
• 35:50
  can hoeven through his first wife Joanne under the bus.
• 35:54
  So what happened was, this is called structuring structuring
• 36:01
  is one of the things that can hoeven got in trouble.
• 36:04
  For there's many counts against dr.
• 36:06
  Hovind to why he really came to me a favor for those out there
• 36:10
  who don't know about this kind of stuff, can you?
• 36:12
  Explain what structuring is for the audience that there may not
• 36:16
  know and then let's go into it. Yes.
• 36:19
  So what structuring is that and this is today so let's just say
• 36:23
  that I'm going to go to the bank and I'm going to pull out I want
• 36:28
  to pull out ten thousand dollars well when you pull out ten
• 36:32
  thousand dollars you have to make the report to the bank to
• 36:35
  why are you pulling out ten thousand dollars.
• 36:38
  I'm pulling out ten thousand dollars because I want to buy a
• 36:41
  car, okay? That's your report.
• 36:44
  So if you go to the bank and you pull out anything less than 10
• 36:49
  thousand dollars, you do not have to report it.
• 36:52
  So, what Kent hovind ID. So it's kind of, like, money
• 36:56
  laundering take out just enough to where it doesn't get anybody
• 37:00
  upstairs as tension, right? Correct.
• 37:04
  That's correct. So so what can hoeven did was
• 37:10
  he? Sorry, babe, is that you?
• 37:15
  Yeah, that's me. I was in say, I can probably
• 37:17
  explain this a little better. Yes.
• 37:18
  Yes, I'm going to let my husband explain.
• 37:21
  He's gonna I can explain it but he's you know smarter.
• 37:25
  He's better at wording. Okay.
• 37:30
  All right. Nicholas was put you on their
• 37:32
  first of all, I want to say Julie.
• 37:34
  Thank you for everything, you've you've been putting out there.
• 37:37
  You've always been straightforward with things.
• 37:39
  So is necklace. I do have the article out that I
• 37:42
  do have Questions about in a different things.
• 37:45
  I've heard a lot of it but there's definitely a lot of new
• 37:48
  stuff coming out. There's just blowing my damn
• 37:50
  mind, but Nicholas tells about structuring and why this got
• 37:55
  Joe. I'm really interested in what
• 37:57
  happened to the first wife. I've actually tried to reach out
• 38:01
  to her, and I've actually contacted young are kovin.
• 38:06
  Are you guys have you guys ever met him before Eric?
• 38:09
  Yeah, yeah. All right, go ahead.
• 38:13
  What is as far as you're concerned?
• 38:15
  I get, I get different accounts. It seems like are cold, them
• 38:19
  isn't too happy with his father and then there's other accounts
• 38:23
  where it appears as though they're getting along in some
• 38:26
  weird strange way. What is your thoughts or net
• 38:28
  loss to tell me about structuring?
• 38:31
  Well, I can't say much about them lately because I haven't
• 38:34
  been around the last past few years.
• 38:36
  I mean, you know, Julie and I left a while ago and but when we
• 38:40
  were there, definitely basically, What would happen is,
• 38:43
  you know, Eric would want to try to, you know, have his dad
• 38:46
  around the grandkids and stuff and, and but he would have one
• 38:50
  thing he would say, please don't bring up, you know, all the
• 38:53
  court stuff, all the creation science stuff is like, if you
• 38:56
  want to just hang out with the grandkids and spend time with
• 38:58
  them, then let's leave that out of it.
• 39:00
  You know? And and can't would always bring
• 39:02
  it up like he just make little comments like, well, that's
• 39:05
  that's my property or that's you know my he just couldn't let it
• 39:09
  go basically. And so Eric, finally, Got to the
• 39:12
  point from what I kind of figured of.
• 39:15
  Well, he doesn't really care about spending time with his
• 39:17
  grandkids. He just wants to chastise me for
• 39:20
  what happened between us. Yeah, demeaning.
• 39:23
  And so, that was kind of the sense I got from it.
• 39:25
  Like I said, I don't know where they are now, what's going on
• 39:27
  with them, so I don't want to speak on that, but from when I
• 39:30
  was there, what I saw it was would never let it go and he was
• 39:35
  like, don't you just want to spend time with your kids and
• 39:36
  your grandkids? Like can't we talk about this
• 39:38
  later, you know, when you come over and visit but Why, why
• 39:42
  would Kim think that kids need to hear about all that anyway?
• 39:47
  I don't know. I don't know if he wanted a
• 39:48
  detail, but he would just drop little comments and stuff like
• 39:52
  that. You know what I mean?
• 39:52
  Like can't does a lot. Well folks, let that all be a
• 39:56
  lesson to you. If you got kids out there, don't
• 39:59
  talk to him about all that kind of stuff.
• 40:01
  Let the kids play Pokemon or video games.
• 40:04
  Don't drive them nuts with your, you know, personal issues.
• 40:07
  Come on folks, I'm just talking to the audience.
• 40:10
  But go ahead, Nicolas. Let's get It into the
• 40:12
  structuring thing and also what happened with Joe.
• 40:16
  Alright, so the so K has a heat tends to try to get everybody to
• 40:21
  focus on. Just the structuring, he was
• 40:23
  also found guilty of like, I don't know how many counts, but
• 40:27
  I think it was over 20, some counts of not withholding
• 40:30
  federal tax income for employees.
• 40:33
  So he never likes to mention that part of it.
• 40:36
  He always goes into the structuring because then he can
• 40:37
  defend it saying, well, we'll see.
• 40:39
  I'm not a drug dealer in those laws were in You're done here is
• 40:42
  like all right. Well, what about the other 28 or
• 40:44
  38 counts of, not withholding federal taxes for employees that
• 40:47
  you got charged with, right? So just the typical can't, he
• 40:52
  likes to distract on other topics and not really talk about
• 40:55
  it's like 58 charges according to this article.
• 40:59
  Yep. And more than half of them were
• 41:01
  for not withholding, it federal employee taxes.
• 41:04
  So or I believe it was about half of them.
• 41:06
  So the structuring was only like, ten of those counts or 12
• 41:11
  or 15. And I don't know, I mean I used
• 41:13
  to remember all that stuff because I would research it
• 41:15
  because I used to believe can and I watched all the kit
• 41:17
  husband's innocent videos and stuff, but I've obviously been
• 41:21
  doing more research on it and more studying on it and like
• 41:24
  like, like he always does the joy, Ray Roy, a kitchens act at
• 41:29
  that guy. He says, you know, I did all the
• 41:31
  kid he got off the plane, he's like after he came and took our
• 41:34
  money, he was the main guy going after me.
• 41:36
  Well, if you look into the court records and stuff, that's not
• 41:39
  true. He was pretty much a nobody He
• 41:41
  did go pick up the money, but he was like, the fifth or sixth
• 41:45
  agent on it. He was not the main guy going
• 41:47
  after can't Hogan, he was just kind of like sent to do an
• 41:51
  errand basically, and so he, once again he likes to set up a
• 41:54
  straw man, so you can attack it and say, see everybody.
• 41:57
  I was being persecuted against this guy, who was a pedophile
• 42:01
  was going after me, when really, it turns out, he wasn't the main
• 42:04
  guy going after him. There were several other
• 42:07
  detectives above him. I don't know.
• 42:08
  If it was McKinnon Mitchell or someone else, let me, let me Ask
• 42:12
  you something. So according to Mary Tocco and
• 42:16
  folks out there, if you don't know who she is, you must be
• 42:19
  living under a rock but she's the she's a second wife.
• 42:22
  And she said that one of the reasons why she took off was she
• 42:26
  didn't want to end up in the same type of way Joe did that.
• 42:29
  So for those out there, who might think we'll Kent, did all
• 42:32
  that back in the past and went to prison for but and want to go
• 42:36
  with that whole Jesus, he's changed type of deal.
• 42:40
  If you do at least believe. That much, why would Mary Tocco
• 42:44
  the second wife want to leave thinking that Kent went right
• 42:48
  back into doing this kind of dirty pool so it what dr.
• 42:53
  Hoeven is doing he's doing the same thing now that he did at
• 42:57
  the Pensacola dinosaur Adventure Land and so when you work at
• 43:02
  dinosaur Adventure Land your quote on quote volunteer but you
• 43:08
  work actually as an employee And Kent hovind doesn't want to pay
• 43:15
  taxes on employee. Because if you have a business
• 43:18
  with employees, you have to pay taxes on the employees.
• 43:20
  So for Kent hovind to not pay taxes on those employees, he
• 43:26
  quote on quote has them as volunteers but he pays the
• 43:29
  people. So if you want to be paid at,
• 43:32
  dinosaur Adventure Land and this is even not his one in Alabama.
• 43:36
  Now you have to make up some type of business name so he can
• 43:41
  Pay you as if you were a vendor. But you're not a vendor, you're
• 43:46
  an employee, but you can't claim to be an employee, you have to
• 43:50
  be a quote on quote volunteer, and this is how can hoeven is
• 43:55
  able to beat around the bush on, not paying taxes.
• 44:01
  So that's those are no, I get it.
• 44:06
  This is why Nicklaus and Jolie is this why he doesn't also want
• 44:10
  to do like The insurance, in case someone gets hurt because
• 44:15
  then that would Mark a different.
• 44:17
  Yep. Well, that's what I was just
• 44:18
  going to say it's more than that.
• 44:19
  If, if you was paying them employees, he would also have to
• 44:22
  have workers comp, you have to have insurance.
• 44:25
  He would also have to provide health insurance if they're
• 44:28
  full-time, not necessarily, but and then it also makes
• 44:31
  everything fall under OSHA standards.
• 44:33
  So all the safety and regulations would have to be up
• 44:35
  to par so if you know they're not doing things properly like
• 44:39
  taping things off, you know, marking off.
• 44:41
  Construction areas or storing things safely or doing
• 44:44
  construction safely up to code then he can.
• 44:48
  The they can come in, then ocean can come in and shut them down.
• 44:52
  And so the I think that's the main reason why he does it.
• 44:55
  It's not just the tax thing. It's also he doesn't want to be
• 44:58
  under their Authority and the way he circumvents that is by
• 45:01
  doing that. So what like, like Julia saying,
• 45:04
  what he does is he has you set up a small business or business
• 45:08
  and then he will 1099 you. And then They also try to make
• 45:12
  sure they don't pay you, they make sure to pay you under a
• 45:15
  certain amount. So technically you don't have to
• 45:17
  pay taxes either because if you make less than a certain amount
• 45:20
  then you get, you know, you get a preset right off and you
• 45:24
  qualify for that. So, all the employees there
• 45:26
  don't have to pay big fat, you know, packs thing at the end of
• 45:29
  the year. And then what they do to is they
• 45:31
  try to say you were, you're volunteering 90% of the time,
• 45:36
  your pay is just, we contract you to do something.
• 45:39
  So you have to write us an invoice that As you know, I
• 45:43
  worked on this DVD or I did you know you can't put that you
• 45:47
  work, all these hours and built these buildings and stuff like
• 45:51
  that, they have to pay you to do a certain project or a certain
• 45:54
  thing. But see this is where can't
• 45:56
  handle not in trouble before. Was you know, how he says, if
• 46:00
  you're here, you have to come to the meeting if you're well,
• 46:04
  where he got in trouble for, she brought in a time card machine,
• 46:07
  and he was making them punch in and out on a Time clock.
• 46:10
  So they've made Sure. This time to make sure nobody,
• 46:13
  you know, they do not allow him to do that, no time.
• 46:16
  No riding your hours down. You can't keep track of that,
• 46:19
  because that's how he got in trouble before, because if they
• 46:22
  keep track of hours and all that stuff, if he doesn't allow me to
• 46:25
  see, there's certain rules that fall for contractors.
• 46:28
  You have to be able to come and go as you want.
• 46:29
  You have to have certain powers over the project.
• 46:32
  You have to, you know, what I mean.
• 46:34
  And I tell you this ninety percent of them, don't fit those
• 46:37
  contractors. There, you cannot come and go
• 46:40
  and you want, you can't. Build it how you want you you
• 46:43
  either do it his way you show up to the meetings or you get
• 46:46
  thrown out for something. You know?
• 46:47
  It's and that's where he's so careful to walk that line and
• 46:52
  that tightlining, I think we're he's really getting around it.
• 46:55
  Now is really doing a lot of research and journey and all of
• 46:58
  them because the way they're getting around it now is that
• 47:02
  Kent is not on the board anymore.
• 47:04
  He is not part of the head anymore.
• 47:08
  They're so by keeping his name out of it and stuff.
• 47:11
  Where before Or they were able to prove that he was basically
• 47:14
  the alter ego. That he, it was actually his and
• 47:17
  he was just using it as a tax shelter that he they were all
• 47:20
  his properties like a front but yes, but the difference is now I
• 47:24
  think Ernie is actually in charge of it and he's the one
• 47:26
  running at all or at least was well Ernie.
• 47:29
  Well well somebody else Ernie land.
• 47:31
  What? I don't know again Nick and I
• 47:34
  haven't been there for a while now, so I don't know who's the
• 47:37
  trustee there now, but Kent hovind.
• 47:41
  Own anything because if he does, he owes the government millions
• 47:47
  of dollars in fines. So Kent, hovind puts things in
• 47:52
  other people's names. That's why Kent hovind has to
• 47:55
  have a trustee quote-unquote and that person at the time when I
• 47:58
  was, there was Ernie land and Ernie lands, name is on
• 48:03
  everything. The cars, the property the
• 48:07
  house, I mean, you name it. Ernie lands name is on
• 48:10
  everything because can Joven owes the government millions of
• 48:14
  dollars in fines. Well, you hold on one second.
• 48:18
  Let me ask you guys about something you probably heard.
• 48:21
  But Matt Powell recently, left dinosaur Adventure Land and
• 48:25
  wasn't that supposed to be like the next guy or whatever?
• 48:29
  He was supposed to be like an apprentice or something?
• 48:32
  Do you think that Matt may have left this being one of the big
• 48:35
  reasons because Ken is doing all this life should on the side?
• 48:40
  Wait, wait. And really only To be honest
• 48:42
  with you, we don't know anything about that pal, you know.
• 48:45
  Yeah, I was getting, I was going to say the same.
• 48:47
  I was going to say the same thing.
• 48:49
  I never personally met Matt, pal myself.
• 48:52
  So, I don't really want to say anything on that because I don't
• 48:54
  know we left before Matt pal showed up.
• 48:59
  Yeah, so I mean, that's something you'll have to ask
• 49:01
  them, you know? I mean like we really only want
• 49:03
  to talk about what? Well, I understand, but one of
• 49:05
  the things I'm curious about those you're saying that can't
• 49:09
  wanted to put it in everybody else's name.
• 49:11
  So he didn't have to like going to the punishment of what he did
• 49:15
  with all that stuff, but it seems like if you put the
• 49:18
  connection together, this would be one of the reasons why I'm
• 49:22
  at, would want to get out of it because all the responsibility
• 49:25
  and accountability would be put on him, right?
• 49:28
  And I asked Sara Lee, it was still technically, be on the
• 49:31
  board. And whoever the trustee is, I
• 49:33
  don't know, I think. But Matt would have just been
• 49:35
  the new face. He would have been after can't
• 49:38
  help him pass. He would be the one, keeping the
• 49:40
  money coming in. Keeping the ministry going,
• 49:42
  right? So they need.
• 49:44
  They need someone to be the public face to bring in the tax
• 49:47
  dollars or mean that's not tax. All the dollars, you know what I
• 49:49
  mean? The donation dollars.
• 49:51
  So I think that's really what that was, right?
• 49:55
  It's not there. Now, who's the face and bringing
• 49:57
  in the money, right? Like I always said when I was
• 50:00
  there, I said, Kent hovind is the face of the ministry, but
• 50:03
  Ernie land and steveland owned the ministry and ran and ran it.
• 50:09
  Mhm. Well, if you're being the face
• 50:13
  of all of that though and you're the image of the, you know, the
• 50:17
  compound or the cult, or whatever you want to call it,
• 50:19
  though, you're the one who's going to immediately appointed
• 50:23
  at when shit hits the fan though.
• 50:26
  Yeah. And I think that's where only
• 50:27
  land is smart and he's taking advantage of Kent at that point.
• 50:30
  But see Kent's also taking advantage of Ernie because he's
• 50:34
  then doesn't have his name's on all the documents and then see
• 50:37
  he can have all these things without actually having them so
• 50:39
  they it's this is why their Best buds.
• 50:42
  It's not because they care about each other friends for 20.
• 50:44
  Yeah, they use they use each other can hovind doesn't have
• 50:47
  friends. He uses friends that he can use
• 50:50
  and you know, like with Stephen Bolin, Stephen Bolin uses can
• 50:54
  and can't use him. You know, that's all Kent has he
• 50:58
  has people that he can use and then he has people that use him.
• 51:02
  And that's why everybody gets along with everybody because
• 51:05
  everybody likes to use everybody and it's sad well in the people
• 51:08
  that will speak up and tell the truth and won't You know, fall
• 51:12
  in line, they get thrown out or they get chased out or they get
• 51:16
  treated, so poorly that they eventually decided to leave.
• 51:19
  And this is where like some of the people like You still there?
• 51:31
  You may have lost. Sometimes we don't have the best
• 51:34
  internet connection at the house.
• 51:36
  All right, I'm gonna baby lost you here.
• 51:42
  Let me let me give him an opportunity to fix that, then
• 51:46
  you can come back. Yeah, we live in the middle of
• 51:48
  nowhere and Alabama so we don't have the best connection
• 51:51
  sometimes. But but yeah, it's a very, very
• 51:56
  sad situation of breaks my heart.
• 51:59
  You know, I wish it wasn't like this but it is what it is.
• 52:04
  Matt Powell says, it's odd. That I would tune in, right?
• 52:07
  At this moment to hear this. Please tell Nick and Julie I
• 52:11
  wish them. Well, hopefully their families
• 52:13
  doing well, seems everything is doing great.
• 52:16
  You are doing pretty good. Aren't you Julie, as well as
• 52:20
  Nick and Matt? If you still listening out
• 52:22
  there, I'm Earned about how they tried to put you as the front,
• 52:26
  man. I'd like to be able to
• 52:28
  understand why it is that you left dinosaur Adventure Land.
• 52:31
  Would you be willing to come in and tell us the story, what
• 52:34
  people? Yeah.
• 52:35
  Well, I'm asking mad if he would come in and explain to us why it
• 52:39
  is, he left? Dinosaur Adventure, Land.
• 52:42
  Tell us what's going on in there and get this out of the way.
• 52:45
  A lot of people been wondering about this.
• 52:50
  Let me see if Nicholas has got his thing working.
• 52:53
  I'm not sure mantle come in and talk.
• 52:55
  I would, I would like to kind of steer back if you don't mind to
• 52:59
  explain what happened to Joe can Hogan's first wife, why she was
• 53:03
  put in jail. Okay.
• 53:09
  Go ahead. So, back to the structuring
• 53:14
  situation when I mentioned. How Kent hovind through his
• 53:17
  first wife under the bus Kent hovind would send his wife to
• 53:22
  the bank and he would tell his wife how much money to pull out.
• 53:27
  So, remember how I said you can't pull out ten thousand
• 53:30
  dollars or over, otherwise, you would have to make a report on
• 53:32
  that. Well, he would send go to go in
• 53:37
  for Or nine thousand, nine hundred dollars one day.
• 53:42
  And then a couple days later he would send her back to pull out
• 53:46
  nine thousand nine hundred and fifty dollars that day.
• 53:50
  And then a couple days later or maybe a week later, he would
• 53:53
  send her back to pull out nine thousand dollars.
• 53:56
  You see? He pulls out, just enough money
• 53:59
  to not make a report on. And so when the FBI or whoever
• 54:05
  rated Kent hovind in his house, You know, through them in jail.
• 54:09
  Well, Joe, his wife. They told the reason why she got
• 54:16
  put in jail because she was the one pulling out the money and
• 54:18
  Kent hovind said. My wife is the one that pulled
• 54:21
  out the money. I didn't.
• 54:22
  But Joe is just going by Joe is just listening to what her
• 54:26
  husband was telling her to do. Kent would tell his wife do this
• 54:30
  and she did well then Yeah, go ahead.
• 54:36
  I wasn't say well it's funny that that's asking this because
• 54:39
  Cindy actually just found recent court documents where Kent's
• 54:43
  lawyer specifically put the blame on his window.
• 54:48
  And I mean when I was reading and I saw that I mean it just
• 54:51
  broke my heart because it's like how could you do that to your
• 54:54
  wife? Like you know and to be honest
• 54:57
  if Kent wouldn't have listened to all these people and just
• 54:59
  would have you know doubled down and face it, he would have
• 55:03
  probably even spent one day in prison.
• 55:05
  Because he always does. That's that's the biggest
• 55:07
  problem I have I guess is like, we all make mistakes and bad
• 55:10
  decisions and trust their own people and I mean that's just
• 55:13
  life. But just instead of saying,
• 55:15
  yeah, I may say I should, he just always doubles down and
• 55:18
  then characters fascinates and that that but you know, that's
• 55:21
  what breaks my heart about that because it's like, you know,
• 55:24
  you're destroying the message of creationism and Christians did
• 55:28
  Joe even have anything to do with the business at?
• 55:30
  Although I mean she was just a wife who was doing the whole
• 55:34
  Christian. Submissive obedient thing,
• 55:36
  right? So, she was just doing what she
• 55:38
  was told to do. She didn't actually consciously
• 55:42
  want to screw anybody over right cover?
• 55:44
  No, no. I heard that.
• 55:46
  Joe was a wonderful. Wonderful, beautiful person.
• 55:50
  I've never met her. I've never spoken with her
• 55:53
  before. But there, when I was at
• 55:58
  dinosaur Adventure Land as a secretary, there was another
• 56:03
  secretary that I worked with. If I don't want to say any names
• 56:09
  because I don't want to disrespect or, you know, throw
• 56:11
  people's names out of, they don't want to be.
• 56:13
  But anyway, have the time when I was there, this other secretary
• 56:18
  that I worked with, she was best friends with Joe.
• 56:21
  Even though that Kent and Joe were no longer married and
• 56:24
  together, she still visit the family that she was still very
• 56:27
  close. He actually lives in Pensacola,
• 56:30
  I believe she still does today and he's very close and still
• 56:34
  best friends with With Joe and the kids, she loves Eric and,
• 56:41
  and the other two kids that can hoeven has also can Andrew loves
• 56:46
  him. And so anyway, he would always
• 56:48
  tell me Joe is a beautiful wonderful person and they're
• 56:52
  still very close today. So it's very sad that Kent
• 56:55
  hovind does these terrible terrible things to all of his
• 57:00
  wives? He's terrible.
• 57:02
  I mean, yeah, this is one of the things married told me.
• 57:06
  She said that after he got out of prison and she hooked up with
• 57:09
  him that he seemed to be doing a lot of the same nefarious
• 57:12
  things. And she was really afraid that
• 57:15
  she'd end up in a cage and all that.
• 57:17
  And she was obviously had her own agenda trying to help people
• 57:20
  in the world with what she does. And her entire life could have
• 57:24
  been ruined if she didn't take off.
• 57:27
  So, when I hear Kent up there going, oh, you know, these women
• 57:30
  left me, you know, for no. No reason, you know, it's like,
• 57:34
  are you kidding me? The the woman did a did prison
• 57:38
  time and Mary didn't want that for herself?
• 57:42
  Well, not only that had you heard the recordings where Kent
• 57:45
  is talking to Joe from jail? I mean when I heard that it
• 57:48
  broke my heart like she was saying I'm just afraid that
• 57:51
  you're not going to change. You're going to continue doing
• 57:53
  the same things that you always do.
• 57:54
  And you know I just don't really have a hope because you don't
• 57:57
  seem to you know, be repetitive or want to change and he's all
• 58:01
  like well did you ever think? Maybe it's you that needs to
• 58:04
  change, its not me. Did you ever think that maybe
• 58:07
  God is telling you to that you're the one that needs to
• 58:09
  change your heart and I was just like, oh my goodness like yeah
• 58:13
  it's just, wow, I didn't even know how to respond to that.
• 58:16
  I mean I don't think they'll want to leave him just like I
• 58:19
  don't think Mary did I know Cindy didn't you know because
• 58:23
  but it was like every time something was brought up about
• 58:27
  how things were being done it. So you want to take over the
• 58:29
  ministry that that was this man. I heard him say that about every
• 58:32
  Person. I could ever imagine that he had
• 58:34
  problems with it. That dared to speak up about
• 58:36
  problems going on. It's you're just trying to take
• 58:38
  over the ministry and it's like what first off?
• 58:41
  You are going to hear that. Ask you both something is
• 58:44
  missing mod associated with Ken Coleman at all.
• 58:48
  Is she related? Is she connected with them?
• 58:51
  And some kind of way because I have never seen someone kiss ass
• 58:55
  so damn hard. As I've seen her do that.
• 58:59
  She's willing to twist stories and make up all kinds of shit.
• 59:02
  That on the just she just kind of wings it when she makes her
• 59:06
  videos. Well, yeah.
• 59:08
  What is their deal? It is absolutely bizarre to me.
• 59:12
  I actually had mentioned to missing mod and I said to her
• 59:16
  it's amazing to me how you are defending this man?
• 59:20
  Who you don't even know, nor have you ever spoken to?
• 59:24
  As far as I know? I don't know.
• 59:25
  She could have lied to me and have spoken and personally, I
• 59:27
  don't know, but she told me she hasn't so fine, but it's
• 59:32
  amazing. How she's just hardcore
• 59:34
  defending this guy. So what she told me was that he
• 59:38
  is a pastor, he is spreading and sharing the gospel and getting
• 59:42
  people saved. And I said, okay, so because I
• 59:48
  because missing mod knows I've had a personal conversation with
• 59:51
  missing mod and I told her well Ken hoeven does this, this,
• 59:55
  this, this, this this and I've named out, I've done a whole
• 59:58
  list on all the things that he has done wrong to people and and
• 1:00:02
  everything else and Says it doesn't matter about those
• 1:00:04
  things. He gets people saved and he's a
• 1:00:06
  pastor and he preaches the gospel.
• 1:00:07
  And that's the most important, so he's good and I said, wait a
• 1:00:10
  second. So if I'm a pastor, let's just
• 1:00:13
  say, I go out into the world and I spread and share the gospel,
• 1:00:17
  and it does that give me the right now to still commit
• 1:00:20
  adultery. Does that, give me the right to
• 1:00:22
  still live sinful ear? I could lie, steal cheat from
• 1:00:26
  people be cunning towards people scam people that so I can still
• 1:00:31
  live sinfully Just as long as I'm preaching, the gospel, I'm
• 1:00:35
  good. So I asked her, I said, what
• 1:00:38
  about Kenneth Copeland is Kenneth Copeland?
• 1:00:40
  A good preacher. He he's has a Ministry.
• 1:00:43
  Kenneth Copeland, does you think he's a good preacher?
• 1:00:45
  What about Jim Jones? James Jones is an American
• 1:00:49
  preacher. And Jim Jones is also a mass
• 1:00:52
  murderer. So is Jim Jones, good?
• 1:00:55
  Because he was out preaching, whatever, God, he was preaching,
• 1:00:58
  your dad. I don't know if you know this,
• 1:01:00
  I've actually done videos and Jim Jones.
• 1:01:03
  They have FBI recordings of him where he said that he was an
• 1:01:06
  atheist mask in himself and religion to get the
• 1:01:09
  congregation. He actually, I've got recordings
• 1:01:13
  of him behind the podium telling the people there that their God
• 1:01:17
  is a sky. Daddy told him to throw.
• 1:01:20
  He said, I wipe my ass with the Bible, so he wasn't actually
• 1:01:24
  religious. He was another con man, fake.
• 1:01:27
  And then of course, be got heavy into drugs and then killed over
• 1:01:30
  1,000 people. Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Well, well, this is the point I was trying to make a cross to
• 1:01:36
  missing mod. So if I so he's basically saying
• 1:01:40
  it doesn't matter what Kent hovind does.
• 1:01:41
  As long as he's preaching the gospel.
• 1:01:43
  He's a good man. Okay.
• 1:01:45
  Well what if I go out and preach the gospel and get people saved
• 1:01:48
  to the Lord, does that give me the right to still commit
• 1:01:51
  adultery? Does that give me the right to
• 1:01:53
  steal money from people? Is that gives me the right to
• 1:01:56
  harmfully hurt people and falsely accused people.
• 1:02:01
  See Julie and Nick. This is one of the things that
• 1:02:04
  really bothers me about Christianity and I've always
• 1:02:07
  been straightforward about this. One of the reasons why we've had
• 1:02:10
  so many scandals called Jim throughout.
• 1:02:13
  The years is because for some reason, people want to give
• 1:02:16
  priests and preachers, some kind of weird Spiritual Authority or
• 1:02:20
  badge, even if they find out that there could be something
• 1:02:24
  happening with harm to children and all that instead of doing
• 1:02:28
  something about it, they just justify and defend.
• 1:02:31
  Them say they have this, this like respect for these people,
• 1:02:35
  move them around and all this. Why does the church have this
• 1:02:38
  problem for? Why can't people just come out
• 1:02:41
  and say this person who claims to be?
• 1:02:43
  A pastor is a piece of dirty filthy shit.
• 1:02:47
  Why can't people just do that? Why does it always have to be
• 1:02:49
  this ring around the rosie shit for well, ahead?
• 1:02:54
  I mean, first I want to say to about missing modest is, you
• 1:02:58
  know, all right. Who I think we should pray for.
• 1:03:01
  ER, I think that she's being led around by someone the bowling in
• 1:03:04
  the background, telling her things, you know, and in lying
• 1:03:09
  to her specifically about things which lights like the whole
• 1:03:12
  Cindy thing. I know he knows for a fact that
• 1:03:13
  she did not pay for Christians to be flown, bowling know that
• 1:03:17
  for a fact to. So if he's, I don't know if he's
• 1:03:19
  the one stating that, but if he is, he's lying through his teeth
• 1:03:21
  about it and he knows that she didn't, because when Paul Hanson
• 1:03:25
  had asked her, if she would do that, she contacted us.
• 1:03:28
  And she's like, I don't think this is right.
• 1:03:29
  What do you? And we mean bones.
• 1:03:31
  I told her don't touch that with a 10-foot pole and this was
• 1:03:33
  before Zaire was found, this was before all these things came
• 1:03:36
  out. So she was still trying to work
• 1:03:38
  her marriage out with Kent and you know, and she just wasn't
• 1:03:41
  sure what to believe at that point.
• 1:03:43
  But me and Bo and Bowl told her, don't do it.
• 1:03:45
  You know, and I guess she ended up texting Paul back saying I'm
• 1:03:49
  not doing that, you know? I mean, and she has that
• 1:03:51
  evidence. So I don't know who's lying to
• 1:03:53
  her about that, but someone is. But I also want to say this but
• 1:03:56
  Nicholas there. And Julie, you know, even though
• 1:03:59
  missing mod made up this big Gasps story, even if it had any
• 1:04:03
  truth to it. Why does it fucking matter even
• 1:04:06
  if Cindy or mr. Rogers himself, paid for a plane
• 1:04:10
  ticket for Chris to come down there.
• 1:04:12
  The compounds run by Kent is Kent, not going to see a vehicle
• 1:04:16
  pull up with Chris Jones and the child come out, was it not kin
• 1:04:19
  told and he told Julie, no, put the kid and the guy in with one
• 1:04:23
  single mattress, that wasn't Cindy Lincoln.
• 1:04:26
  So I don't give a fuck if they can't hold on.
• 1:04:31
  No, no, he's not claiming that she sent Chris Jones down there.
• 1:04:34
  She's claiming that. After all this happened.
• 1:04:38
  Chris Jones got a packed buys a years family and that Cindy slew
• 1:04:42
  them out of the country, flew him out of the country.
• 1:04:45
  So she's not claiming that she sent him to jail or any of that.
• 1:04:48
  She's claiming that she flew him out of the country.
• 1:04:50
  After he got attacked by someone who she's saying that Mark
• 1:04:53
  stirred up the family and got them to attack him.
• 1:04:56
  And how would within mod know any of this shit in the first
• 1:04:59
  place, there would be no. I could have to become Steve
• 1:05:02
  Bolin if he's close with him, Steve bowling the same guy.
• 1:05:07
  Well, I got a video up recently. This is why this is what Steve
• 1:05:11
  Bolin and missing mod. This is what they feel the need
• 1:05:16
  to do. They have to discredit our
• 1:05:19
  accountability. Well it discredit Us in some
• 1:05:22
  type of way. So when we come out being the
• 1:05:24
  truth, they know that we're speaking the truth, but they
• 1:05:27
  have to discredit us and character assassinate And
• 1:05:31
  falsely accuse us of not speaking.
• 1:05:33
  The truth, when we are because they're wanting to protect Kent
• 1:05:38
  hovind so badly. I don't know.
• 1:05:42
  I don't understand, do you know what I've discovered Julie and
• 1:05:45
  Nicholas about Stephen Baldwin he was in the room, talking some
• 1:05:49
  shit, everything, and Mark wanted to come in and basically
• 1:05:53
  refute him, Andre Bunkie months of stuff and also wanted to
• 1:05:56
  participate in some biblical discussion as soon as Mark came
• 1:06:00
  up on The screen Stephen ran Stevens a sniveling week, ask
• 1:06:05
  Howard of a person and missing mod.
• 1:06:08
  She sits there in pedals out all the shit that she won't come in
• 1:06:11
  here and I'll give out the facts or information.
• 1:06:14
  She just keeps on making stupid ass videos.
• 1:06:17
  How do you feel about that? Well, what I want to say is
• 1:06:19
  let's try to, you know, I try to be fair to everybody because
• 1:06:23
  like you but you know whatever you fair to her.
• 1:06:26
  She's putting Cindy, Lincoln and danger, isn't she?
• 1:06:28
  Oh yeah. No.
• 1:06:29
  Absolutely. That's why we called her out on.
• 1:06:31
  But I'm also saying, part of me thinks somebody's lying to her
• 1:06:34
  and confusing her. And, you know, and I'm hoping
• 1:06:38
  like, like, like Julie told her, you need to look at the
• 1:06:40
  evidence, honey. Like, don't just listen to what
• 1:06:42
  people tell you, research it. And the reason I have a passion
• 1:06:45
  for that is because we were all lied to and confused by these
• 1:06:48
  people. You know what I mean?
• 1:06:49
  And now there is a point where you're just being but super
• 1:06:53
  foolish but at the same time it's like you said you have
• 1:06:55
  people constantly your ear doc, had people calling you from
• 1:06:57
  Camp, he had people, you know, like just Instantly manipulating
• 1:07:03
  you. And that's what these people do.
• 1:07:04
  That's what they're so good at. And that's what's so scary about
• 1:07:06
  it. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:07
  Like, they have an agenda and they're going to use, whoever
• 1:07:11
  whatever. However, if they have to pay
• 1:07:13
  them, if they have to flip them, say whatever they can do,
• 1:07:16
  they're going to do whatever it takes, even if they have to lie
• 1:07:18
  over and over again, I can't lying about Mark.
• 1:07:20
  He knows that he was not kicked out of the military for mental
• 1:07:23
  issues. He's seen the documents.
• 1:07:25
  He knows that personally, I've talked to him about that
• 1:07:27
  personally, but yeah, he comes right back on camera and
• 1:07:29
  repeats, the same line. And it's like, find can't look,
• 1:07:32
  if you want to say, I don't agree with this person or I
• 1:07:34
  don't like what I don't live. AA wasn't true.
• 1:07:40
  There are Christian want to do this.
• 1:07:41
  Just like on like bowling if you want to say.
• 1:07:43
  I don't like Nick, I don't trust him.
• 1:07:44
  I don't like but if you're going to come out and make up lies
• 1:07:47
  that, you know, aren't true, then this is in this is kind of
• 1:07:50
  where unfortunately the evening the playing field is even but
• 1:07:53
  but truth will come out eventually, you know, and that's
• 1:07:56
  why I don't get, so beat up about it and I try to pray for
• 1:08:01
  Everyone and hope that they eventually see that and
• 1:08:04
  sometimes they just won't, but I pray that they do, you know?
• 1:08:07
  Because it's not, it's not always my job to convince
• 1:08:10
  everybody. It's the holy spirit's job and
• 1:08:11
  maybe they don't have those fear of.
• 1:08:12
  So I don't know. There's another thing, Kent has
• 1:08:15
  said that marks a druggie. He also said that he keeps
• 1:08:19
  implying, that Mark does weird stuff with his daughter and all
• 1:08:23
  this kind of stuff. He says, he's a grown man that
• 1:08:26
  lives with the little girl and all that.
• 1:08:27
  I'm so concerned, and all that. What is that all about?
• 1:08:31
  He is character assassination and projecting.
• 1:08:35
  He is shining the light off of him.
• 1:08:38
  He's wanting to Shine the Light somewhere else.
• 1:08:41
  Get the focus off of me. I'm going to complain and talk
• 1:08:45
  about this person so so no one talks about comes to me with my
• 1:08:48
  problems. What, you know, it's what it is.
• 1:08:51
  He knows, that's not true. And not only that Mark had to
• 1:08:55
  fight for his daughter in court. He was investigated, they had to
• 1:08:59
  do home visits. He had to go.
• 1:09:01
  To a psychiatrist. They had to make the daughter.
• 1:09:03
  I mean, you know how it is? If you're fighting for custody,
• 1:09:06
  especially when the, you know, him, his parents now have made
• 1:09:09
  up and everything. But his parents were saying he
• 1:09:11
  was taking his daughter to a cult and all these other.
• 1:09:13
  Like, you don't think they're going to vet him, so thoroughly
• 1:09:17
  before they handed the daughter back to him, I mean, he did
• 1:09:20
  everything in his power to do every hoop, you know what I
• 1:09:24
  mean? And so, for kids, to be
• 1:09:25
  silently, investigate him in the first place for him because his
• 1:09:29
  parents didn't want him taking Mackenzie to DAL.
• 1:09:33
  And so he went to court and fought for it and he won because
• 1:09:36
  they found he's a good man and a good father.
• 1:09:39
  You know what I mean? And at the white it, why didn't
• 1:09:41
  the parents wanting to do this? Because we said, she already
• 1:09:45
  knew what kind of person can't hold in was, and she was trying
• 1:09:47
  to warn her son and she said, this is what she says.
• 1:09:50
  She's said, Mark, you're a grown, man, if you want to do
• 1:09:53
  that. Fine, but I'm gonna protect
• 1:09:54
  Mackenzie, you know, and now, like I said, they've, since made
• 1:09:58
  up and they are back together and Mark, tells his mom, I
• 1:10:01
  should have listened to you and I'm sorry.
• 1:10:03
  I did. Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Mark Smart, other marks mother is beautiful.
• 1:10:08
  Oh my gosh. What a beautiful father mother,
• 1:10:10
  he has. And when Mark was here at the
• 1:10:14
  time Cindy and I drop mark off over to his parents, and oh my
• 1:10:18
  gosh, I had a chance to speak with his mother and and marks
• 1:10:21
  mom is smart. And he knew what kind of a
• 1:10:26
  corrupt man? Kent hovind was.
• 1:10:28
  He did her research. She knew and she was smart.
• 1:10:32
  He's so hot. Are head of the game.
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  And I even when I was with her personally, I said, how did you
• 1:10:38
  know? And she's like, I just know she
• 1:10:41
  done her research, you read about it.
• 1:10:43
  She knew something was wrong. She had a funny feeling that
• 1:10:46
  place wasn't right and just like with everybody else in the
• 1:10:50
  beginning, you know, when we were at the ministry, we
• 1:10:53
  defended that place. We defended Kent hovind.
• 1:10:55
  We loved him, we love the ministry but then when you open
• 1:11:00
  your eyes to see it, When you open your ears to hear, you'll
• 1:11:05
  start noticing things that aren't right.
• 1:11:08
  And this is what blows my mind with people why they defend that
• 1:11:12
  place. So, so hardcore, I mean there's
• 1:11:14
  people that defend dinosaur Adventure Land, hardcore and it
• 1:11:17
  blows my mind cuz it's like don't these people see and hear
• 1:11:20
  that this man is actually not good and Mark's mother.
• 1:11:23
  She nailed it right on the head. She knew and she did not want
• 1:11:26
  Mackenzie going there to that dangerous place here question
• 1:11:31
  for you as well as necklace. I'm you, I don't know if you to
• 1:11:35
  realize this but Kent attempted a while, back about a year ago,
• 1:11:39
  when we were really going crazy over all this stuff.
• 1:11:42
  But he tried to get Chris Jones to do an interview with me and
• 1:11:46
  he even gave Chris Jones, my number to try to contact, so he
• 1:11:50
  could get on here and supposedly tell her story and justify
• 1:11:54
  whatever and tell what was Li what was truth in all this?
• 1:11:58
  Now he ended up when he contacted he sent me a bunch of
• 1:12:02
  pictures. And the pictures were of
• 1:12:05
  Facebook post done by Marc Stony supposedly.
• 1:12:08
  I don't know if they were photoshopped or whatever, but
• 1:12:11
  the post said that marks, Tony was a white supremacist.
• 1:12:16
  What is your thoughts on that? And what do you know about it?
• 1:12:19
  No, yeah, absolutely. No marks.
• 1:12:23
  Not like that. Mark is who I love Mark?
• 1:12:27
  He is awesome marks. Not a white supremacist.
• 1:12:29
  No no, no. No, now am I praying for them
• 1:12:36
  and reaching out to them that he will forgive, you know,
• 1:12:38
  especially what happened between you guys.
• 1:12:40
  And I think maybe like Julie was saying you asked, you know, what
• 1:12:44
  can I do. And I think you know this is
• 1:12:45
  what he said to me. He's all like well if Brett
• 1:12:49
  actually sticks and no joke he's gone the truth because wild
• 1:12:53
  taste like butt. Sorry, the internet at the house
• 1:12:59
  is bad. We are both sharing the same
• 1:13:03
  internet, right? No no I'm not.
• 1:13:07
  They've been putting videos out and you still standing for the
• 1:13:10
  truth which I think speaks volumes about your character
• 1:13:12
  right now, you know? And I mean it's just, you know,
• 1:13:15
  you're not always going to convince everybody or not always
• 1:13:17
  been a. You notice any kind of made a
• 1:13:19
  good point. She's like I think Mark has a
• 1:13:20
  reason to be angry because of some of the things that were
• 1:13:23
  said on the channel and stuff. And and so she's like, he's just
• 1:13:26
  got to give him a chance to cool off and, you know, like you
• 1:13:29
  think it's. Yeah.
• 1:13:32
  And and not only that red, I mean, you just by continuing
• 1:13:36
  your best, to try to be respectful.
• 1:13:37
  And and, and to, you know, I Sorry.
• 1:13:44
  Oh. Sorry, he we have that
• 1:13:47
  connection at the house. I'm not home.
• 1:13:49
  I'm outside of the house so but anyway, know, Mark is awesome
• 1:13:55
  and intelligent design. Yes.
• 1:13:57
  Have patience with them recently and Nick, your internet is bad,
• 1:14:02
  Nick Nick. Okay.
• 1:14:05
  Okay, yeah. Kick him off.
• 1:14:06
  Hit the internet's bad at the house.
• 1:14:07
  We live in the sticks and the middle of the woods myself.
• 1:14:12
  But we tried to let me show you something real quick and get
• 1:14:16
  Opinion on this, this is something that the the pedal
• 1:14:20
  Chris Jones sent. So I don't know if there's any
• 1:14:22
  truth to it or whatever, but I need your opinion because you
• 1:14:25
  actually know Mark, are you able to see that?
• 1:14:29
  Yes, it is. Small printed.
• 1:14:32
  So let me give me a sec to read it unless you want to read out
• 1:14:36
  loud for me because I'm on my telephone and it's a small
• 1:14:39
  printed. Okay, take the gloves off
• 1:14:44
  tomorrow. Hold on.
• 1:14:45
  Let me, let me read. It really good read that loud.
• 1:14:48
  If you can. All right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 1:15:08
  I'm trying to read. It's very small printed on my
• 1:15:10
  phone. I'm not on a computer or laptop
• 1:15:14
  and I'm trying to read, I can get I can make out some words
• 1:15:17
  but some I can't because it's super small printed, something
• 1:15:22
  about a Nazi type people I knew from the guard.
• 1:15:27
  If these clowns is this Mark saying this or dr.
• 1:15:30
  Hovind saying this, this is a post by marks.
• 1:15:34
  Tony supposedly never remember, I know for a fact that people
• 1:15:38
  can Photoshop images and add any kind of crap.
• 1:15:42
  They want to, there are things like that out there, but I'm
• 1:15:45
  getting your opinion because I know that you and Nick actually
• 1:15:49
  know him personally. So I wanted a verification on
• 1:15:52
  this. Well, you know, one thing I
• 1:15:54
  would say is something we definitely, you know, we should
• 1:15:56
  ask Mark, but I can tell you, you personally, from knowing his
• 1:15:58
  character, he doesn't see call her.
• 1:16:01
  He doesn't mean, he's, none of us are perfect, but he's, I
• 1:16:07
  wouldn't, I would never even assume that about him, you know.
• 1:16:11
  Yeah, I couldn't read it very well, but just just, me and
• 1:16:15
  Nick, knowing Mark, personally, like, we talked with them just
• 1:16:18
  about every single day and we've known him for how many years
• 1:16:21
  babe. How about how many years now
• 1:16:23
  we've known Mark? Well, lots, and we separated for
• 1:16:27
  a little While when he yeah but we still but we still stayed
• 1:16:30
  connected with them. Mark is a wonderful father.
• 1:16:33
  He is a wonderful friend, there's nothing crazy about
• 1:16:36
  Market. All he is so chillax, he's so
• 1:16:39
  down to earth. He's so understanding, Mark is
• 1:16:42
  forgiving, I know Brett, he doesn't seem forgiving right
• 1:16:44
  now. With things that you see so far
• 1:16:48
  from him. But he comes around, Mark is
• 1:16:49
  awesome. There's no one Julie and
• 1:16:52
  Nicholas to one of the reasons why I keep on feeling like the
• 1:16:56
  white. Emma, C thing it's nonsense is
• 1:16:59
  because it seems to me that if he was a white supremacist, why
• 1:17:04
  would he try so hard to save the life of a little black kid for?
• 1:17:10
  I mean that seems like I totally the opposite of white
• 1:17:14
  supremacist, right, right. But I thought that he should
• 1:17:17
  know that Chris Jones is out there doing stuff like this and
• 1:17:22
  posting this type of stuff. Okay.
• 1:17:23
  Shining the light somewhere else projecting gaslighting, that's
• 1:17:27
  They do, that's what they do. Get the attention, focus, the
• 1:17:31
  attention somewhere else, don't put the attention on me.
• 1:17:34
  We I don't want anybody to know what I'm doing that's wrong.
• 1:17:38
  Let's make fun and falsely accuse somebody else and take
• 1:17:42
  the attention off of me. That's what they all do.
• 1:17:45
  All right? Yeah, and remember their this
• 1:17:47
  is, I mean this is what they're good at.
• 1:17:49
  I mean, it's so that's why they're con artists for a
• 1:17:52
  reason, don't you both know Kent has lost his phone his channel
• 1:18:00
  as well and for Adventureland, I think that people should know
• 1:18:03
  this. I'm going to tell you from my
• 1:18:05
  perception and you guys can share your perception.
• 1:18:09
  Not only did Kent for some Oddball reason admit that there
• 1:18:13
  were Subs that were being bought and he even named the price, he
• 1:18:17
  said four thousand dollars which can get you a lot of
• 1:18:20
  subscribers. And also for those out there,
• 1:18:23
  that might suggest that that's the YouTube YouTube does not
• 1:18:26
  take me. Number two, one of the reasons
• 1:18:32
  why I think dinosaur Adventure Land went down so quickly.
• 1:18:35
  As I don't know if you guys got the see the entirety of the
• 1:18:38
  video but he actually told his audience to go flag other
• 1:18:43
  YouTubers and that is against the community guidelines in
• 1:18:47
  terms of service someone could report it.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah. So somebody obviously return
• 1:18:52
  reported it within a couple hours of him saying it and that
• 1:18:56
  channel went bye-bye. By that is you don't get one
• 1:18:59
  strike for that. You get terminated.
• 1:19:01
  That's what YouTube even says in the rules.
• 1:19:04
  He does have two more channels up again, but they're probably
• 1:19:07
  going to be taken down to they'll be Shadow band.
• 1:19:09
  He has some Genesis Bible. Baptist Bible Church Channel up
• 1:19:14
  and then he has a dock Dino channel.
• 1:19:17
  So if everyone you know I mean like I said I mean it's sad
• 1:19:20
  because I hate that the message is getting destroyed from
• 1:19:24
  someone's Behavior. You know what I mean?
• 1:19:26
  And this time I want I always mention to you.
• 1:19:28
  When we talk about us like we have to learn, we can't judge
• 1:19:32
  God based off of man's behavior, I mean, especially in these end
• 1:19:35
  times, I mean, God is very clear about that.
• 1:19:37
  That there's going to be more and more and more false people,
• 1:19:41
  more and more people that God says I never knew you, you know
• 1:19:44
  what I mean? And not only that we're all
• 1:19:46
  human and we all make mistakes and none of us are always going
• 1:19:48
  to be perfect or do the right thing.
• 1:19:50
  And, you know, we really have to look to God's word to know him
• 1:19:53
  and know his character. You know, if we try to judge him
• 1:19:56
  based off of people's, Jeans and Christians actions.
• 1:19:58
  We will always be severely. Let down, you know and Nicholas
• 1:20:02
  II agree with you and I've been straightforward with you on the
• 1:20:05
  phone about these things. I have been struggling with
• 1:20:08
  faith. I have struggled with even
• 1:20:11
  believing in God. I don't have a problem with
• 1:20:13
  Wicked people being punished and getting consequences.
• 1:20:16
  The thing that hurts me and makes me question God, and I'm
• 1:20:20
  being honest and I've always been public about this with
• 1:20:23
  folks, but when a innocent child suffers At the hand of wicked
• 1:20:28
  people are something terrible happens where the kid's life is
• 1:20:32
  ruined or they end up committing suicide, because the abuse and
• 1:20:35
  pain or they're killed by their own parents or done wrong by a
• 1:20:39
  preacher. Something these are questions
• 1:20:42
  that I wish God would actually answer me on.
• 1:20:45
  This is one of the reasons I'm so damn disgusted with all of
• 1:20:48
  this. Yeah.
• 1:20:50
  And that's where I would say to you.
• 1:20:51
  He doesn't answer that. That's at the end, they will
• 1:20:54
  face judgment for that. That's where like TR was talking
• 1:20:58
  about this. That's where the white Throne
• 1:20:59
  judgment will come in. And that's where we will all
• 1:21:01
  stand before, God. And I mean, he'll even way the
• 1:21:04
  Christians and what they've done now, Christ has substituted for
• 1:21:08
  us, you know what I mean? But, at the same time like I
• 1:21:11
  said, unfortunately, we live in a fallen world and like I talked
• 1:21:14
  on your channel. Last time we live in a without
• 1:21:18
  free will There is no love, right?
• 1:21:20
  It's just we're just programmed robots and then that's where I
• 1:21:23
  disagree with Mark on preterism, as he believes that we're all
• 1:21:26
  pre-selected and God, you know, chooses us and well, I don't
• 1:21:30
  necessarily agree with that. I think it's both.
• 1:21:32
  I think God knows, it's kind of like if you're watching a
• 1:21:36
  pre-recorded game show that you've seen before, well, the
• 1:21:38
  person had they picked what they pit just because, you know what,
• 1:21:42
  they're going to pick doesn't mean they didn't have a free
• 1:21:44
  choice to pick it. You know to mean like to me.
• 1:21:46
  That's always example. I like to use but yeah.
• 1:21:49
  You're I mean, that's kind of where I fell off for a while
• 1:21:52
  because I grew up in the church and being very strong, and
• 1:21:56
  didn't cuss a lot. And I was very close to the Lord
• 1:21:58
  and wanted to serve and preach and all that stuff.
• 1:22:00
  And then I got really sick and I wasn't out of the hospital, many
• 1:22:05
  many, many years and I've had still have a lot of pain and
• 1:22:08
  stomach problems and my wife will tell you she knows and I
• 1:22:12
  was angry at God for a long time.
• 1:22:14
  I thought it was God. And then, you know, when I
• 1:22:16
  realized that it's not Cod that we live in a fallen Find world
• 1:22:20
  that it's man's choices. It's what it's our free will
• 1:22:23
  that has made the world. The way that it is today, you
• 1:22:25
  know, and God has sat back and allowed that because of his love
• 1:22:29
  and patience and wanting to give people that chance.
• 1:22:32
  And I mean there are some really deep can listen to and read all
• 1:22:40
  that stuff came out about him recently because he used to have
• 1:22:42
  some really good arguments, which doesn't necessarily change
• 1:22:45
  the arguments just because he had his own sin going on in his
• 1:22:48
  life, right? Just like Kent doesn't change
• 1:22:50
  his arguments necessarily. I mean, the truth is the truth
• 1:22:54
  of scripture is the scripture and unfortunately, a lot of
• 1:22:56
  these common use the scriptures to con people because they know
• 1:22:59
  Christians are trusting. They know that they can play
• 1:23:02
  this victim card and then people will believe them like ocu.
• 1:23:06
  They were just like, like the praise.
• 1:23:08
  I am guy. I was watching a show and he's
• 1:23:10
  like, you know, YouTube was just censoring him because of what
• 1:23:14
  he's preaching. No, nobody.
• 1:23:15
  He sensed that they cut him off because he violated the terms of
• 1:23:19
  service. And they had no problem with
• 1:23:20
  what he was preaching for the last four years.
• 1:23:23
  Five years and necklace, mind. If I share something with you
• 1:23:26
  and Julie. Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:23:31
  Joel is Jolie able to hear me as well.
• 1:23:33
  Yeah, yeah I'm here. I don't know if you you both
• 1:23:37
  knew this about me, are you seen a lot of my videos except for
• 1:23:40
  the ones about Ken Tobin and all this stuff?
• 1:23:43
  But I'm one of the reasons why whenever I was like a kid and
• 1:23:47
  everything like that, I did go to church and all this I ended
• 1:23:50
  up losing my faith later on, whenever I was a young adult,
• 1:23:54
  one of the reasons why was because my mother ended up
• 1:23:57
  committing suicide in the preacher told me that she was
• 1:24:00
  going to burn in hell for all eternity for this.
• 1:24:03
  The second issue was a year after this happen.
• 1:24:06
  My daughter, my second child was born in the world and the
• 1:24:09
  doctors told me she wasn't going to survive.
• 1:24:12
  I spent almost two years with my wife off and on the Children's
• 1:24:16
  Hospital, I seen kids die. I see.
• 1:24:19
  Seen kids suffering. I've seen people going through
• 1:24:22
  the most miserable thing and I had a hard time accepting that
• 1:24:25
  there was a loving God in the world.
• 1:24:28
  Well, it's 20 years later now. Folks, and my daughter is alive.
• 1:24:33
  She is okay. And she's actually going to work
• 1:24:37
  and she's living her life out and she's doing really well and
• 1:24:39
  so is my son. But back, then, that's the
• 1:24:42
  reason why I became a former atheist.
• 1:24:44
  That's the reason why I was a non-believer and questioned a
• 1:24:47
  lot of things. Since I've been going back into
• 1:24:51
  the religion thing, I've been trying to find a good Christian
• 1:24:54
  Community and the only type of people I ran into besides you
• 1:24:57
  wonderful. Folks.
• 1:24:59
  His people like Ken told them, the map Pals who want to execute
• 1:25:03
  homosexuals, I keep seeming to run into Christians who are not
• 1:25:08
  that good or may not even be defined as Christians, but act
• 1:25:12
  like it on video and all this. And I really don't know what to
• 1:25:15
  do anymore. I don't know who to believe, who
• 1:25:17
  to trust and it's hard for For me to be able to hold my faith
• 1:25:21
  together due to all this. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah. Well, you have to You have to
• 1:25:29
  remember that a lot of the Christians.
• 1:25:31
  You've been meeting lately, are the Christians can't hold in it
• 1:25:34
  attracts. And means, Ali can testify being
• 1:25:37
  there for many, many years. He attracts a certain type, and
• 1:25:42
  none of them are ever seem to be stable people reliable.
• 1:25:46
  I mean, they're all over. I mean, I would say maybe five
• 1:25:49
  percent of the people that came through there, actually, we're
• 1:25:52
  strong Believers that you could lean on and count on it and get,
• 1:25:56
  you know, build a community with like It's first, I don't know.
• 1:26:00
  I think it's because of the spirit that he has there.
• 1:26:03
  I mean, when you go there, you will sense this.
• 1:26:06
  There's a spirit. That's over the place.
• 1:26:08
  It's this. I mean, you can sense it.
• 1:26:09
  I mean, it's crazy. Now, you know, Laura, yeah.
• 1:26:12
  Like, if you're numb to it and you're so, you know, most people
• 1:26:16
  don't notice it because they're like, oh, I'm around Kent
• 1:26:18
  hovind. Wow, you know.
• 1:26:20
  And when that wears off and you start to realize the kind of
• 1:26:23
  people that are there and around and it's like, wow I mean, most
• 1:26:27
  lot of these people had enough. Thing and they came there and
• 1:26:29
  they pretended like I had money and this and that and really
• 1:26:32
  they were homeless living in a car with nothing.
• 1:26:35
  What's that? Doesn't necessarily make a bad
• 1:26:38
  Christian, but at the same time, God tells us where to work.
• 1:26:41
  He tells us that, you know, we're to work with our hands and
• 1:26:44
  feet. They were to be in the word and
• 1:26:45
  trust him for all things and I don't know why, but he just
• 1:26:48
  tends to attract a certain type of believer.
• 1:26:51
  So, you know, there are communities out there, maybe
• 1:26:56
  YouTube isn't necessarily the best place to find it.
• 1:26:58
  You can don't get me wrong. You can't.
• 1:27:00
  I mean, I've watched somebody to our videos.
• 1:27:02
  He seems like a wonderful person.
• 1:27:04
  I mean, I have met him personally, but I've talked to
• 1:27:07
  him a few times and I love watching his channel and, you
• 1:27:11
  know, even even when you were having your whole deal, he never
• 1:27:14
  wants was disrespectful. He was always cut.
• 1:27:16
  That's the kind of people you want in your life.
• 1:27:18
  And, you know, I mean, my wife don't have many friends because
• 1:27:21
  there just aren't that many left and don't let that discourage
• 1:27:25
  you, you know, like God will bring that one person.
• 1:27:28
  In your life that you need at that time, he will provide for
• 1:27:31
  you what you need and he won't leave you hanging, you know.
• 1:27:36
  Sometimes it may feel like it we don't understand it but he's
• 1:27:39
  always there, you know? And like I said you have to
• 1:27:42
  remember a lot of a lot of reason, those kids are dying and
• 1:27:46
  sufferings look what man's doing to the food supply.
• 1:27:49
  Look what they're doing to the plants with all this genetic
• 1:27:52
  modifying. All the poisons they're putting
• 1:27:54
  in everything. The boys has got to be careful
• 1:27:56
  with the medical stuff. I ended up It.
• 1:27:59
  Oh yeah. No, no.
• 1:28:01
  I'm not saying medical stuff for.
• 1:28:03
  I'm just saying Nick would live in a fallen world and therefore
• 1:28:06
  man's decisions are affecting everybody.
• 1:28:09
  Like most of us choose to eat poorly.
• 1:28:11
  It has nothing to do with them. It's just we choosy poorly.
• 1:28:14
  Yeah. Eat full of sugar and you're
• 1:28:17
  gonna end up with diabetes and have all kinds of problems.
• 1:28:19
  And you know, like I said, unfortunately we do live in a
• 1:28:21
  fallen world and, you know, less and less with whenever it comes
• 1:28:26
  to Mark I really really are truly.
• 1:28:28
  Tried to get along with him. I went over and some of his
• 1:28:31
  dreams and I stayed in the comments because I didn't want
• 1:28:34
  to get up there and him get like triggered or something like that
• 1:28:38
  if I were to come and do a show or room but I mean, the guy
• 1:28:42
  besides a manatee stuff. He's also said things like, oh,
• 1:28:46
  Brett's unstable, he even admits.
• 1:28:48
  He's got severe depression. My depression comes from my
• 1:28:52
  daughter, being sick and losing my mother to suicide, and being
• 1:28:55
  told. She's going to burn in hell.
• 1:28:57
  I wouldn't anybody. Be depressed if they spent two
• 1:29:01
  years in a children's hospital and watch their baby, get nine
• 1:29:05
  surgeries. Oh yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:29:07
  Why doesn't, why does he gotta keep doing this for?
• 1:29:11
  I think I think he felt he was kind of Defending you there in a
• 1:29:15
  sense of like well Brett says that in.
• 1:29:18
  So so why are we saying this about him?
• 1:29:20
  Like there's get who cares at that.
• 1:29:22
  I think that's what he meant by that.
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  Unfortunately, the timing when he said it was bad timing.
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  I mean, like he made that video yo, saying about the lot.
• 1:29:30
  You know, you lied about and it wasn't him saying the actual
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  thing and but then he went and made that comment and I think I
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  know what he was talking about was me and him.
• 1:29:38
  It just had a conversation earlier that day where he was
• 1:29:41
  saying, you know, if Brett would apologize for things, things
• 1:29:44
  about me and this and that. And that's what he meant when he
• 1:29:47
  said that. But he said it right when those
• 1:29:49
  people said that and unfortunately, I don't blame you
• 1:29:52
  for assuming that's what he was saying because the timing of it
• 1:29:55
  was terrible. And well, my friends.
• 1:29:58
  Just video and they all agree that he went along with it.
• 1:30:02
  That he, oh, yeah, well, I didn't do it.
• 1:30:04
  I'm also a little upset too, and I haven't had a chance to talk
• 1:30:07
  to him about this. What it's like when he's like,
• 1:30:09
  well, I don't care what you say, just go ahead and like, wait,
• 1:30:10
  wait wait, he's here. He's trying to be respectful.
• 1:30:13
  He's, you know, he's making the shirts making flight out of it.
• 1:30:16
  You know what I mean? Like, when the atheist came up
• 1:30:19
  and said, well, I want to say bad things.
• 1:30:20
  He should have just said, not on my channel, you know.
• 1:30:22
  And that's where, you know, me. I agree with that.
• 1:30:25
  I don't even like us talking bad about both.
• 1:30:28
  Boom. I always try to do things.
• 1:30:33
  I have seen Simon. It's having problems again.
• 1:30:37
  Hold on. Sorry.
• 1:30:39
  You are you still there Julie? Well here I'm just letting him
• 1:30:48
  but but what I would like to mention back to why does God
• 1:30:55
  allow things to happen? Is you know when you read The
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  word. Jesus did not promise us a
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  perfect life. There is long suffering in this
• 1:31:08
  world and we have to stand fast and be strong in our faith and
• 1:31:16
  our faith and press through. God loves us very, very much.
• 1:31:20
  God loves you Brett. Very, very much more than you
• 1:31:23
  could ever possibly know. God loves your daughter
• 1:31:27
  tremendously and God loves your mother.
• 1:31:30
  Tremendously more than God loves everybody, all of us more than
• 1:31:34
  we could possibly actually know. And God loves us so much that he
• 1:31:38
  sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for us.
• 1:31:42
  So that Jesus Takes our penalty that we deserve to go to hell
• 1:31:47
  for because of our sinful actions Jesus shed his Precious
• 1:31:53
  Blood on the cross for us, so that we can be forgiven for our
• 1:31:59
  sins. Your God loves you.
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  He, he, he sacrificed his son for us so we can be in heaven.
• 1:32:06
  In for all eternity, with the Lord and live because when we
• 1:32:09
  die in this world we don't actually die.
• 1:32:12
  We still live in heaven. We're still alive.
• 1:32:16
  We don't see a second death people who actually
• 1:32:20
  unfortunately don't believe in the Lord.
• 1:32:22
  Unfortunately they will see a second death because they choose
• 1:32:27
  to not believe in the Lord, Jesus Christ who died for them
• 1:32:29
  and it's a free gift. It's a free gift.
• 1:32:32
  Do you don't have to do anything?
• 1:32:33
  There's no works. There's no nothing.
• 1:32:36
  It's a free gift. All you have to do is believe in
• 1:32:38
  the Lord that he died on the cross and rose again and you're
• 1:32:42
  saved. If you believe that in your
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  heart. Oh yeah, part of that is is
• 1:32:48
  repentance because if you truly believe it and then your heart
• 1:32:51
  will repent from well and that's the thing too, because when you
• 1:32:54
  believe in the Lord, and you read his word, the renewal of
• 1:32:58
  the mind, your mind changes. When you read God's word, you
• 1:33:01
  learn that God wants to have a relationship with us.
• 1:33:05
  It's not really so much of Religion, where people like, oh
• 1:33:08
  my religion is this. Well, our Christianity's
• 1:33:11
  religion is much different. We have a relationship with the
• 1:33:14
  Lord and how do we get to know who God Is by reading his word
• 1:33:18
  by reading his Bible and that's how we get to know who God is
• 1:33:22
  and then we start a relationship with the Lord and through that
• 1:33:25
  relationship of knowing who God is because we love God and
• 1:33:28
  because we know who God is we want to obey him and then we
• 1:33:32
  start obeying what God asks of us to do in his word?
• 1:33:36
  And that's How we know what to do.
• 1:33:38
  You just read God's word. The Bible is basic instructions
• 1:33:43
  before leaving Earth and and it's just, it's so I know that
• 1:33:50
  children diners from Julian Nicklaus.
• 1:33:52
  Why aren't you two making videos?
• 1:33:56
  You're really, really good inarticulate when you're talking
• 1:33:59
  about God and you seem to be able to because you can
• 1:34:03
  sympathize, you've had your own suffering and pain.
• 1:34:05
  You'd be Powerful tool for God or instrument, be used to help
• 1:34:11
  people who have also suffered and can relate and identified.
• 1:34:15
  Why don't you two make videos for?
• 1:34:17
  I don't get it. Why is it that the only people I
• 1:34:20
  get to listen to her con artists and pieces of trash?
• 1:34:23
  You two are awesome. Why not you?
• 1:34:25
  I don't know babe, why don't we? I guess we should huh.
• 1:34:28
  You know, come out one day and help spread the gospel.
• 1:34:30
  Of course, I would love that. Well, part of it is.
• 1:34:34
  I mean, I've not always I don't really necessarily care about
• 1:34:38
  the spotlight or what. Sure.
• 1:34:40
  I mean it would help I tend to reach people more per on a
• 1:34:43
  personal level a lot which I guess that would be a good thing
• 1:34:45
  because I can still connect with people personally.
• 1:34:47
  Part of it too is like I've been waiting for this kind of hoping
• 1:34:50
  that stick it behind us. I don't want to be related to as
• 1:34:54
  oh, like can always say they're just writing off my, you know,
• 1:34:57
  shirttails it's like, no, I want.
• 1:34:59
  If I do it, I want to be on on what God is leading me to do.
• 1:35:04
  And so part of it, as I've been praying waiting for this mess to
• 1:35:07
  end and move. Yeah, you know, yeah.
• 1:35:09
  Nicholas. And Julie, has it ever crossed
• 1:35:12
  your mind that if you're making videos and you're talking, like,
• 1:35:15
  you just did with me. I just shared some very personal
• 1:35:18
  things, and you both said, some really encouraging edifying
• 1:35:22
  things, which I rarely hear from anybody, its social media has it
• 1:35:27
  occurred to you that if you get up there and make videos about
• 1:35:30
  the light and love. You get from God that it will
• 1:35:34
  help you get beyond all this Kent crap and that people will
• 1:35:38
  see you as people that can be trusted, that actually do love
• 1:35:42
  and care. And then you'll be believed,
• 1:35:44
  you'll be trusted more and accepted.
• 1:35:46
  And then, you can also you said earlier, necklace.
• 1:35:49
  You guys have a hard time making real friends?
• 1:35:52
  I've Got Friends on the internet that I've known for the last 15
• 1:35:55
  years. At this point, that's the kind
• 1:35:57
  of close relationships. You can build if you start doing
• 1:36:00
  it, hell with the fame. And the numbers just do it
• 1:36:03
  because you want to talk about what you believe in your heart.
• 1:36:06
  Yeah. Well well Nick Nick would be
• 1:36:09
  amazing at talking about the creation science stuff.
• 1:36:12
  Oh my gosh. That would just be so awesome.
• 1:36:15
  And then of course just sharing the love of Christ of course and
• 1:36:18
  encouraging people. See that's what we're supposed
• 1:36:20
  to be doing. This is why it's so sad with
• 1:36:22
  this Kent hovind drama. I'm going to call it with this
• 1:36:26
  back-and-forth. Bashing, everybody thing.
• 1:36:29
  There's no edifying. We need to edit.
• 1:36:31
  If I one another, we need to encourage one another, we need
• 1:36:34
  to love one another, we need to lift each other up.
• 1:36:38
  This is not. This is why this whole
• 1:36:40
  back-and-forth bashing thing is so bad.
• 1:36:43
  I mean, I understand that Cindy and Mark and everybody wants to
• 1:36:46
  speak the truth and us too, of course, but but still, it's
• 1:36:50
  just, I'm really hoping one day. This will all come to an end
• 1:36:55
  because it's a vicious snake pit that we're all in and it's and
• 1:36:59
  it's very sad. It is hurting the body of Of
• 1:37:01
  Christ. And God is not happy.
• 1:37:05
  This. God does not, like, God is not
• 1:37:09
  like people falsely accusing of others.
• 1:37:13
  This is misleading people. False information is out there.
• 1:37:16
  This is not, this is not good and so I am praying for this to
• 1:37:21
  all come to an end, honestly, but I don't know making videos
• 1:37:24
  one day. Maybe, I think Nick is right.
• 1:37:26
  We do need to wait for the waters to calm down a little
• 1:37:29
  bit. Because I think if we come out
• 1:37:31
  right now, Talking about the Lord.
• 1:37:32
  I really honestly believe Stephen Bolin or missing mod or
• 1:37:36
  somebody else will come up that are that don't like us and say,
• 1:37:39
  oh, look at these fake phonies and then that's going to start a
• 1:37:42
  whole new war there. So, I think not only do we
• 1:37:46
  decide to start on YouTube. It doesn't matter how sweet and
• 1:37:54
  wonderful you are. As you can see, I'm a
• 1:37:56
  sweetheart. And look at the kind of
• 1:37:58
  treatment. I get the point is, is that if
• 1:38:01
  you do decide, Decide to do it. I'm not gonna lie to you on it.
• 1:38:04
  The higher you get in the search engines and the bigger you get
• 1:38:07
  on this thing. It seems a rain assholes from
• 1:38:09
  the sky so you're going to have to prepare yourself for that no
• 1:38:12
  matter what which that has helped us have thick skins now.
• 1:38:17
  So. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:38:20
  You know. I also don't want people
• 1:38:22
  thinking we're only doing it because we're trying to get them
• 1:38:24
  to believe us. I could careless, I don't need.
• 1:38:27
  You know, like I said like I always try to say is I mean, I
• 1:38:30
  can disagree with people and still be Ing them separately,
• 1:38:33
  you know, and even on some topics like that, I don't want
• 1:38:37
  of the necklace. One of the reasons why, you
• 1:38:40
  know, I had trouble in the past figuring out who to believe in.
• 1:38:44
  But the more I talk to you in the more I've had opportunities.
• 1:38:47
  Listen to Julie, I can honestly say that.
• 1:38:50
  I feel like you guys are the real deal.
• 1:38:52
  By the way, you talk about Jesus.
• 1:38:54
  By the way, you talk about God, and all that.
• 1:38:56
  What I'm basically saying that, if people got to see and hear
• 1:39:00
  that personality aren't Video. They would probably get the same
• 1:39:03
  drive that I do and why? Because at first, when we talk
• 1:39:08
  you guys were just strangers but I got the basically witness and
• 1:39:11
  experience the fruit. Do you understand what I'm
• 1:39:14
  saying? That's why I'm being so
• 1:39:16
  encouraging. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:39:18
  Thank God that. Yeah, I, you know, like I said,
• 1:39:21
  it broke my heart. When I saw some of those videos
• 1:39:23
  you put out word, you were starting to question your faith
• 1:39:25
  and it's just unlike man. Here's another person being
• 1:39:28
  damaged by this group. Again, not not.
• 1:39:31
  This necessarily can't but just all the way around.
• 1:39:34
  I mean and it just it broke my heart a little bit you know and
• 1:39:38
  to be fair city has put some pretty good Christian videos up
• 1:39:41
  and evidence are open. She's pretty decent that herself
• 1:39:44
  but it all gets flooded by all this stuff.
• 1:39:47
  You know what I mean? Encourage her in the past to do
• 1:39:50
  it. She's got a she's got an
• 1:39:52
  incredible boy. She's got a nice voice gentle
• 1:39:55
  and she should get back into all that.
• 1:39:58
  I think that all this stuff's about over.
• 1:40:00
  I think that most people People are starting to realize what
• 1:40:03
  they're dealing with. I know that some people might
• 1:40:05
  think, well, he has like 200,000 supporters, they're all unsent,
• 1:40:10
  Tiant Bots, folks, if you want to know how I can tell you that
• 1:40:14
  go to social blade, you put the channel and you'll see that.
• 1:40:17
  And also, let me throw something else out there.
• 1:40:20
  If he truly had two hundred thousand Subs, why does he have
• 1:40:24
  less subscribers? And I do our an odyssey Yeah.
• 1:40:29
  Yeah yeah. Everything about how can, you
• 1:40:36
  know, now that he only has 200 subscribers.
• 1:40:38
  Do I mean? Oh yeah I mean this is kind of
• 1:40:41
  funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:43
  So so Ken Joven when you know how can hoeven at the time he
• 1:40:49
  had 200,000 plus subscribers and he had five ten thousand views
• 1:40:54
  on each video or whatever well Ken hoeven and this is He would
• 1:40:58
  do this. He would bash other people
• 1:41:00
  Brett. He bashed you for having such
• 1:41:03
  little subscribers and such little views on your videos and
• 1:41:07
  everybody else Mark, he would bash Mark for that.
• 1:41:09
  He would bash Cindy for that that they have such little
• 1:41:12
  subscribers and little views on their videos and he'd be like,
• 1:41:15
  look at me, I have 200,000 subscribers and 10,000 views on
• 1:41:19
  each of my videos. Look at me, he would do that all
• 1:41:22
  the time. Well now look, Kent Karma
• 1:41:26
  happened to you And now you have no videos and no subscribers and
• 1:41:31
  no viewers, let me show you something.
• 1:41:35
  Let me show you something Julie as well as Nick.
• 1:41:37
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna post this link into the private chat for
• 1:41:42
  you everyone. Most of the videos that were on
• 1:41:45
  Kent hovind official went over to Odyssey cuz he had his
• 1:41:49
  channel connected with it. Look how many Subs are on there
• 1:41:53
  and how many views are on the video?
• 1:41:55
  This is what his channel would actually look like, Without the
• 1:41:58
  Box. What are you see?
• 1:42:04
  I don't see anything. You don't see the link, I put in
• 1:42:07
  private chat, okay? So let me tell you, let me tell
• 1:42:11
  you how many subs and how many views he gets on his videos and
• 1:42:15
  these are copies of everything from Kent official according to
• 1:42:19
  this, he only has two hundred and eighty followers, okay?
• 1:42:24
  According to this are in his latest video that he did.
• 1:42:28
  He's got 75. My views from four days ago,
• 1:42:31
  then the one from five days ago, only 14 views, the one from six
• 1:42:37
  days ago. Only two views So I probably
• 1:42:41
  supporters that he was promoting the link inside of the
• 1:42:45
  description of every single video that he had, why does he
• 1:42:48
  only have 280? Not even close to 1,000.
• 1:42:53
  But on YouTube, he had all the, what appeared to be something
• 1:42:57
  else. Well, I think part of it too is
• 1:42:59
  finally, I think by the grace of God, people are starting to see
• 1:43:03
  what's been going on. You know what I mean?
• 1:43:05
  And and I just, it's I mean, it's one thing when it happens
• 1:43:12
  once it's another thing, when it happens again and again and
• 1:43:15
  again and I mean, how many fourth wife?
• 1:43:18
  I mean, how many hundreds? I mean, there's probably 60 plus
• 1:43:22
  witness testimonies like, you know, you can say, one person
• 1:43:25
  left disgruntled, but how can you say 60?
• 1:43:29
  And, you know, like this is just a point where, you know, I can't
• 1:43:35
  say one wife left, you know, but how can you say three, you know,
• 1:43:38
  and on the 4th and You know, to be fair Sandra has been nothing
• 1:43:42
  but kind and respectful to me, and actually, Cindy is coming
• 1:43:45
  around a little bit on Sandra lately to, she's been praying
• 1:43:47
  for her and she's like, you know who got hurt the most by
• 1:43:50
  Joanna's testimony. She said Sandra she's like
• 1:43:53
  because she's now even believing the lies even more you know to
• 1:43:57
  mean and and that it actually really broke her heart and I
• 1:44:00
  think she's really soft and on that point and it just goes to
• 1:44:03
  show you that God does work on all of us and he kisses away on
• 1:44:07
  all of us, you know, and that's where all the Have to be patient
• 1:44:11
  and kind and and it's the holy spirit's job to do the
• 1:44:14
  convincing. It's our job to just treat
• 1:44:16
  people with kindness and respect.
• 1:44:18
  You know, we got somebody wanting to come in.
• 1:44:20
  Let me hide the screen to see this is.
• 1:44:24
  Hello, Alan Jenkins, tell me about yourself.
• 1:44:27
  Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Okay.
• 1:44:30
  So it's a recording of me. Goodbye.
• 1:44:32
  You are now banned from Studio. Yeah, he's playing a, what is
• 1:44:39
  that called? It's like a switchboard or
• 1:44:41
  something where he's going to play quotes from your something.
• 1:44:44
  Wow, two people have nothing better to do at this point.
• 1:44:47
  I mean, I think are all right. I don't know if you guys heard
• 1:44:51
  but two weeks ago, there was a really, really good discussion
• 1:44:54
  going on in the show and some idiot.
• 1:44:57
  Claimed that he was a Believer and all that and as soon as I
• 1:45:00
  took down that that manner thing that I hide the cameras with he
• 1:45:04
  immediately showed like some woman being gangbanged on video
• 1:45:08
  on the screen. So I had to remove the video and
• 1:45:11
  put the audio up on my radio station because that idiot did
• 1:45:16
  that. Yeah that's just craziness.
• 1:45:20
  I mean and and to be fair I think our conversation is kind
• 1:45:22
  of at least the last 20 30 minutes has gone towards
• 1:45:25
  edifying and just talking about the learning.
• 1:45:27
  That's really what I think, I think after this point, you
• 1:45:31
  know, I really want to kind of start winding this stuff down
• 1:45:33
  and really like I was telling you when I text you I was like
• 1:45:36
  now I really want to just do shows talking about creation and
• 1:45:39
  like we said, we can tell them. Hey, if you want to find my
• 1:45:41
  opinion go see this video, it's up there and let's go back to
• 1:45:45
  the topic at this point, you know, and I feel Nicholas.
• 1:45:49
  I feel like I have a ton of arguments for there, being a
• 1:45:54
  higher power in a God. But I've been Just about this in
• 1:45:58
  public to, I believe that there's tons of stuff I can do.
• 1:46:01
  Mathematically, scientifically logically rationally, to be able
• 1:46:06
  to give some form of evidence or information that makes people
• 1:46:10
  realize how rational and is to believe in a higher power.
• 1:46:14
  But the only problem with it is and I've said this, I don't know
• 1:46:18
  how to associate the views of there being a higher power with
• 1:46:22
  the god of the Bible, if that makes sense.
• 1:46:25
  Yeah, so I don't believe I actually don't believe in a
• 1:46:28
  higher power because who is that, higher power.
• 1:46:32
  You know what I mean? I could be a false god like
• 1:46:34
  Hindu or Buddha or something. I believe of the god of the
• 1:46:38
  Bible. And that is God, our Father in
• 1:46:40
  heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.
• 1:46:42
  And the Holy Spirit, the, the Trinity.
• 1:46:45
  And and it, that's why you got to be super super careful with
• 1:46:51
  what people believe in because they can mislead you.
• 1:46:54
  And this is why it's so important to read the Bible
• 1:46:58
  because so you don't get misled really.
• 1:47:02
  I've looked in other religions and I've also looked in the
• 1:47:05
  Hinduism and Hinduism they have ridiculous stories about how
• 1:47:10
  things came into existence. I mean, their stories that are
• 1:47:13
  planets actually a giant turtle and we're riding on his damn
• 1:47:16
  back like a Warcraft, koala bear thing or something, it's
• 1:47:20
  ridiculous to me. As far as the creation account
• 1:47:23
  goes, I've read many, many different, religions ideas, And
• 1:47:27
  how existence came through. And to me, the only one that
• 1:47:30
  came close to answering the questions was the Bible and also
• 1:47:35
  the Carranza Ridge and story of God.
• 1:47:38
  And the reason why I say that is because the Quran plagiarizes
• 1:47:42
  from the Bible that actually tells the same story of Adam and
• 1:47:45
  Eve, and all that. And, and the entire story of
• 1:47:48
  that did, you know that the Old Testament?
• 1:47:51
  Not the New Testament. Yeah.
• 1:47:52
  The story about Adam and Eve and existence and man coming out of
• 1:47:56
  the ground. And and all this woman, well, I
• 1:47:59
  like Ron is so go ahead, babe, not if you want Furniture
• 1:48:02
  statement, go ahead. So the Quran, you're right about
• 1:48:06
  what you're saying. It's it relates to the Old
• 1:48:08
  Testament, but then when, but the New Testament is the most
• 1:48:13
  important is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
• 1:48:15
  The Quran is so dangerous because they believe in Allah
• 1:48:18
  and Mohammad. And, and that's super the only
• 1:48:24
  way to be saved, is the Lord Jesus Christ.
• 1:48:26
  Jesus Christ, is the Truth the way and he's everything you have
• 1:48:30
  to believe in him, Julie. I understand what you're saying.
• 1:48:34
  Are you aware that the, the Quran actually teaches that Mary
• 1:48:38
  was a virgin that she gave birth to?
• 1:48:41
  Yeah. They have a lot of relations.
• 1:48:43
  There's a lot of related topics that are similar.
• 1:48:46
  Yes, there is and the old test, well, that's because Julia
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  Nicklaus one of the reasons why I like to bring the Quran
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  whenever I'm talking to atheists or people of other religions is
• 1:48:56
  because it's yet another religion that even accepts the
• 1:49:00
  Jesus Christ existed historically as well as called
• 1:49:04
  him. The anointed one actually said
• 1:49:07
  that he was the only person and they're booked even over that of
• 1:49:10
  Muhammad who was born miraculously through a virgin
• 1:49:14
  birth and that he'll return in the end.
• 1:49:16
  I understand that the Crown's, got some twisted stuff in there,
• 1:49:19
  some things that are not there, that should be, but I like the
• 1:49:23
  fact that it actually admits Jesus Christ was who he said he
• 1:49:27
  was Surprised. I'm surprised that it actually
• 1:49:29
  does because the Iran's or the Arabs that believe in the Quran,
• 1:49:38
  they actually kill Christians and they their faith is actually
• 1:49:42
  if you kill a Christian, then up in heaven you'll have seven
• 1:49:46
  virgin wives waiting for you and that's like what they want.
• 1:49:50
  So they go. Well, not all of them believe
• 1:49:53
  that either guy. I mean, to be fair, I mean
• 1:49:56
  that's that's That's kind of where I did study world
• 1:49:59
  religions in college. And I remember my teacher, you
• 1:50:03
  know, and I've kind of mentioned this story before was like all
• 1:50:06
  religions are the same and they're all, you know, it's like
• 1:50:09
  we're all climbing up different sides of the mountains and he
• 1:50:11
  was laying out all these tenants and thing and I was I finally
• 1:50:14
  raised my hand and I said, well, except for Christianity, was I
• 1:50:17
  what, what do you mean? I'm like, well, you not study
• 1:50:19
  this, like Christianity is the only one that your works are
• 1:50:23
  never good enough. That it's a gift.
• 1:50:25
  Your it's given to you. You On your way to heaven all
• 1:50:29
  other religions. Teach that.
• 1:50:30
  Now, see, the reason I also want to bring this up to is that I
• 1:50:34
  believe that the creation story even though it may not have been
• 1:50:38
  written down as early as some of the other ones.
• 1:50:41
  I believe most of them like you were saying before our
• 1:50:43
  plagiarize off of the creation story.
• 1:50:45
  I think that, you know, the devil did the same thing to do
• 1:50:48
  this and gets enemy in the garden when he quoted scripture
• 1:50:52
  to him, but he left it out. He twisted it just a little bit
• 1:50:55
  and so what's the Best way to confuse people.
• 1:50:59
  This is to Pepper and truth, right?
• 1:51:01
  Mainly put it put to tell the truth with just a little bit of
• 1:51:04
  a lie. See, and that's where that's
• 1:51:08
  where the devil is. So good at this, this is why
• 1:51:10
  it's so important to know your word and so, you know, so you
• 1:51:13
  can say, no, it is written. This is what it says.
• 1:51:16
  And when you look at all the other religions, even when you
• 1:51:19
  look at the Pharaohs in the Egyptians and the things that
• 1:51:21
  they believe about Tamara Thomas and and what was his name Nimrod
• 1:51:26
  and all of that. Stuff.
• 1:51:27
  They basically pressurize the story there, but it's the story
• 1:51:30
  of the Antichrist where, you know, it was born of his mother
• 1:51:34
  and and like, it's just to me, it's just interesting that.
• 1:51:39
  I mean, how many flood stories are there throughout the world?
• 1:51:42
  I think there's like over 900 or more.
• 1:51:45
  That are all basically saying the same thing about a boat
• 1:51:48
  about eight people. I mean even the Chinese when you
• 1:51:51
  look at their original language when it was written the symbols
• 1:51:55
  that they used for boat was a Actually eight people under an
• 1:51:59
  arc. I believe there's this whole
• 1:52:00
  book written about. That is so cool.
• 1:52:03
  And so for me it's like I see I heard this a facility night
• 1:52:07
  saying that. Well, the Bible tells you to not
• 1:52:09
  be wise and the to confound the wise and hold on one second
• 1:52:14
  phobia. Unfortunately, that video that
• 1:52:17
  we did together where you came in and we had a discussion that
• 1:52:21
  video was the one that the idiot did a porn bomb on my channel.
• 1:52:25
  It's on the radio if you To see it in the videos, actually, the
• 1:52:29
  video itself is an odyssey and some of the crap is blurred out.
• 1:52:33
  So I might repost at the YouTube but if you want to see it, it's
• 1:52:37
  over on the radio. There you go.
• 1:52:40
  A necklace. And Julie can I ask you a
• 1:52:42
  question about something? This is something I've been
• 1:52:44
  thinking about for past 2 years whenever it comes to theology.
• 1:52:48
  Are you ready for this? Yes.
• 1:52:50
  You guys believe in the tower Babel story right about the
• 1:52:53
  languages being changed. Yes, that ever occurred to you
• 1:52:57
  that Whenever God changed the language is on these people, and
• 1:53:00
  they spread out all over in populations and tribes all over
• 1:53:03
  the world that they simply believed in the same God.
• 1:53:06
  But because their language was changed.
• 1:53:08
  They gave him a different name, but still believe in the same
• 1:53:12
  God, oh, I can definitely, that's where I was going with my
• 1:53:15
  story. Just now is that actually, if
• 1:53:18
  you look a many of their symbols are the same throughout because
• 1:53:21
  when their language is got confound it now they were
• 1:53:23
  worshiping the Antichrist, they were not worshiping Christ.
• 1:53:27
  They're in the tower Babel, when they got split up, they were all
• 1:53:29
  Rising again to avenge their forefathers Nimrod and they were
• 1:53:34
  rising up. It wasn't a literal, you know,
• 1:53:36
  built to the heaven. Now with the knowledge and
• 1:53:40
  science stuff, they have, who knows what they were doing.
• 1:53:41
  I mean, there's all kinds of theories that stuff, which I
• 1:53:43
  really love getting into things like that.
• 1:53:45
  But if you look at the symbols and you look at many of the gods
• 1:53:49
  that they worshipped and stuff, but through all these different
• 1:53:51
  cultures, and most of them all relate back and they all come
• 1:53:55
  back to the same stories, not all of them.
• 1:53:57
  But most of them do and that's to me that is just more proof
• 1:54:00
  that for the scriptures and for that God is real and when you
• 1:54:04
  really study your history and you dive into these things and
• 1:54:07
  you look into it, you know, it really depends on how you
• 1:54:09
  interpret the evidence. The evidence is, we have all
• 1:54:11
  these symbols, right? And then when you look at it
• 1:54:14
  from a Biblical point of view and with the Tower of Babel,
• 1:54:18
  with the language is being confounded and split up to me,
• 1:54:21
  it's just more info that backs up the scriptures and that's
• 1:54:25
  just powerful to me. Well there's a Be a reason
• 1:54:28
  necklace and Julie why it is that you know I hear a lot of
• 1:54:31
  atheists, they get on video and they say it's obvious that
• 1:54:35
  Christianity, you know, there's older religions and blah, blah
• 1:54:38
  blah and all this stuff Christianity is simply a label
• 1:54:41
  that defines us as being followers of Jesus.
• 1:54:44
  I don't have a problem whatsoever agreeing that their
• 1:54:48
  similarities with religion. Because I think that Anna, Anna
• 1:54:51
  way these cultures adopted the very concept of their
• 1:54:55
  interaction and experiences. God, they just simply have a
• 1:54:58
  different language. That's why the similarities are
• 1:55:01
  there. It shouldn't be looked at as
• 1:55:03
  negatively should be looked at as positively billions of people
• 1:55:06
  around the world claim that they've had interactions with
• 1:55:10
  the higher power. When I say higher power Julie I
• 1:55:12
  mean a Supreme Being that created the universe.
• 1:55:15
  Yes. So so this is what's going on.
• 1:55:20
  We do not fight our it's it, we fight their spirits.
• 1:55:26
  In this world that we are fighting.
• 1:55:28
  It's not just flesh and blood and we fight against dark,
• 1:55:34
  principalities in this world. And the devil is only here to
• 1:55:40
  kill to steal and to destroy you.
• 1:55:45
  And everyone else is created in the image of God.
• 1:55:49
  We are created in God's image. God loves us.
• 1:55:53
  We are all of God's children. Well, the devil.
• 1:55:56
  Little hates that the devil hates you because you remind him
• 1:56:02
  of the Lord because you look like him for created in His
• 1:56:05
  image and the devil wants you to be damned and go straight to
• 1:56:11
  hell for all eternity. When we die, you're either going
• 1:56:15
  to heaven for all eternity or we're going to hell for all
• 1:56:18
  eternity. And that's it.
• 1:56:20
  There's no other place that we're going and so the devil is
• 1:56:24
  the devil hates God. You Him of God.
• 1:56:27
  And the devil is here to kill, steal and destroy.
• 1:56:29
  So, what the devil is going to do is that he's going to put in
• 1:56:32
  people's minds. All of these ever false types of
• 1:56:36
  God's to believe in all of these other types of religions to
• 1:56:40
  believe in what is Hindu. They believe in reincarnation
• 1:56:45
  when you die and you're if you're a good person on this
• 1:56:49
  Earth and when you die, you'll be reincarnated into something
• 1:56:52
  good. And that's their whole way of
• 1:56:55
  living life peacefully. Good and treat people treat
• 1:56:58
  others well because I want to die and be a beautiful deer or
• 1:57:02
  something. I'm not trying to make fun.
• 1:57:03
  I'm not trying to make fun of anybody's belief and stuff, but
• 1:57:06
  but they are handing down a very dangerous path.
• 1:57:09
  Now it's very good for Christians to learn all of the
• 1:57:14
  other religions. It's good to learn about
• 1:57:17
  Evolution, it's good to learn about Hinduism and Buddha and I
• 1:57:23
  don't know, there's so many thousands of different religions
• 1:57:25
  out there, but it's good for us. Us Christians to be well-rounded
• 1:57:28
  with all the other types of religions.
• 1:57:31
  So when we come across a person, who believes in, whichever
• 1:57:34
  religion it is, we will then be able to help them because we
• 1:57:38
  understand what their thoughts are.
• 1:57:40
  We understand where they think that they're going and so we'll
• 1:57:43
  be able to give better answers to them.
• 1:57:44
  That's why it's very important for Christians.
• 1:57:46
  To always be ready to give an answer.
• 1:57:48
  That's why it's so important for us to always read our Bible
• 1:57:51
  because the Bible is the authority and the Is what we
• 1:57:57
  stand on, because that is, that's our authority of what we
• 1:58:00
  need to go by. And we can always help others
• 1:58:03
  and it's good for us to be well-rounded with other types of
• 1:58:06
  religion Soph, so bread, if you study other religions, that's a
• 1:58:09
  good thing because then you can help somebody else lead them to
• 1:58:14
  Christ because you understand where they're coming from.
• 1:58:18
  But but you have to remember, we don't just fight against flesh
• 1:58:21
  and blood. We fight against evil dark
• 1:58:23
  principalities in this world. The devil is the god of this
• 1:58:26
  world right now. He is we handed it over to him.
• 1:58:32
  Mhm. And it goes all the way back to
• 1:58:36
  Adam and Eve it goes back to the beginning when you understand
• 1:58:40
  about the story of Adam and Eve with the tree of the knowledge
• 1:58:43
  of Good and Evil and the Forbidden Fruit.
• 1:58:46
  When you understand that story, everything else will make sense,
• 1:58:50
  everything else makes sense to why there's death to the
• 1:58:52
  innocent people, everything else makes sense to There's strife
• 1:58:57
  and Discord amongst the Brethren right now.
• 1:59:00
  Everything. It's all goes back to the
• 1:59:02
  beginning. So if you understand the
• 1:59:03
  beginning, which is the story of Adam and Eve, and the tree of
• 1:59:07
  the knowledge of Good and Evil in the forbidden fruit, when you
• 1:59:10
  understand that, everything else will fall into place.
• 1:59:14
  And so and then and then we'll understand why God sent his son
• 1:59:18
  Jesus did on the cross for us, and that's a gift for God, to
• 1:59:24
  have his son died, on the cross and shed.
• 1:59:26
  His Precious Blood for us on that cross.
• 1:59:28
  That is a gift to us. So we don't have to be damned to
• 1:59:31
  hell. Because all of us are sinners,
• 1:59:34
  all of us has done wrong. All of us are damned to hell,
• 1:59:37
  but Jesus Took the penalty on the cross for us.
• 1:59:39
  So we don't have to go there. And, and the most amazing thing,
• 1:59:43
  and this is why Christianity is so different from all the other
• 1:59:48
  religions. We Christianity does not have to
• 1:59:52
  work for it. All the other religions, they
• 1:59:54
  have to work for it, like Like the Quran, they have to pray a
• 1:59:58
  certain way facing the sun. I'm just saying, I'm not trying
• 2:00:00
  to make fun of anybody, but just hear me out all the other
• 2:00:04
  religions have to work for their earning, to go to heaven.
• 2:00:08
  Christianity is the only religion that we don't have to
• 2:00:12
  do nothing to earn a place in heaven.
• 2:00:15
  All we have to do is believe in the Lord, Jesus Christ, that he
• 2:00:18
  died and rose again. And we believe that in all in
• 2:00:22
  our hearts and we're saved very simple, very easy there, you
• 2:00:26
  know? Julie and Nicholas.
• 2:00:27
  This is actually one of the I've got a few things that we should
• 2:00:32
  all probably talk about everything seek and know where
• 2:00:34
  I'm coming from and stuff. But I've listened to a lot of
• 2:00:37
  Christians say, a lot of the same things that you're saying,
• 2:00:40
  Julie, that the works aren't aren't what's going to get us to
• 2:00:44
  Simply by believing in Jesus. But I mean, I've read the book
• 2:00:48
  of James and it's one of my favorite books.
• 2:00:50
  It says faith without works is dead.
• 2:00:52
  Even the demons believe, and tremble.
• 2:00:54
  And then it says in the book of From that will be judged based
• 2:00:58
  upon, not only our transgressions and iniquity but
• 2:01:01
  will also get judged based upon our works.
• 2:01:04
  The churches are the first to be destroyed in the end times,
• 2:01:08
  according to the Bible, the Hypocrites, the Liars, the
• 2:01:11
  adalat Rogers, all that kind of stuff.
• 2:01:13
  So I don't understand why it is that some people and I'll give
• 2:01:18
  you this Julia majority of folks believe just like what you're
• 2:01:21
  talking about. That there's no works, just
• 2:01:23
  believe accept the gift of Jesus Christ, but But there's so many
• 2:01:27
  passages that say that God expects something from us.
• 2:01:31
  Expects us to strive to be christ-like.
• 2:01:34
  Not just sit on the damn couch all day eating Doritos and
• 2:01:37
  twinkies and saying, Hell yeah, hold on, hold on.
• 2:01:43
  So, with the situation without without fish faces dead without
• 2:01:51
  works with what faith is actually believing.
• 2:01:54
  So, so for an example, Bowl. Huh, not everybody gets healed,
• 2:02:00
  okay, but I'm going to use healing as a situation, okay.
• 2:02:04
  Give me, give me one moment. I have to use the restroom.
• 2:02:07
  My wife gave me some pretty potent coffee.
• 2:02:10
  I'll be right back in and you guys talk me.
• 2:02:11
  You guys take over the show. All right.
• 2:02:14
  Hi babe. How are you doing today?
• 2:02:16
  Good, good eyes and say. Let me answer that one when he
• 2:02:19
  gets back, because I'm fine. How are the babies good?
• 2:02:23
  Just got them down. Finally.
• 2:02:24
  Oh, my goodness, that was not easy.
• 2:02:28
  Yeah, anyone out there. I can't see the chat for some
• 2:02:31
  reason, so it's no, I don't think you can because when
• 2:02:33
  you're on the show, you don't actually see the chance because
• 2:02:37
  we're on our phone, we can't. So if you guys want to ask
• 2:02:40
  questions, you're going to have to come in.
• 2:02:42
  You're not ask questions to us and and I mean, don't get me
• 2:02:45
  wrong. I'm not saying, I mean, my wife
• 2:02:47
  to have all the answers, you know?
• 2:02:49
  Like we worship a God that's so big and so good but always
• 2:02:53
  understand everything, you know and that's one of the reasons I
• 2:02:56
  love. God, because if I understood
• 2:02:57
  everything about him, I mean every day, I die.
• 2:03:01
  You know, every time I read that, that Bible, I find
• 2:03:03
  something new, I learned something new.
• 2:03:05
  And that's what's so amazing is. It's just, it's a constant
• 2:03:08
  growing. It's a constant learning.
• 2:03:10
  Its, that's why it's so important to have a relationship
• 2:03:12
  with God. It's not just about, no, he is
• 2:03:16
  talking about works there a little bit, but see if you truly
• 2:03:18
  do, believe your Works will match your belief.
• 2:03:22
  See it is not required of you, but it definitely It is a
• 2:03:27
  testimony to others. It definitely is something that
• 2:03:32
  if you really believe something you're going to do it, like if
• 2:03:34
  you really love your wife, you're going to treat her and be
• 2:03:37
  a certain way to her you know. And so that's something I
• 2:03:39
  definitely want to you know, explain to bread is that he's
• 2:03:42
  absolutely right. Faith without works is dead
• 2:03:45
  because you know, if your heart is truly in something and truly
• 2:03:49
  believes, it is truly repented and turned and and working
• 2:03:52
  towards God, then your actions and abilities will match.
• 2:03:56
  Now they won't always I we all stumble, we all try our best but
• 2:04:00
  that's what's so important about it.
• 2:04:01
  So that's where I think a lot of people get that mixed up a
• 2:04:06
  little bit because basically what it's saying there is that
• 2:04:09
  if you really believe, then your actions your Works, will match
• 2:04:12
  what you really believe. So I mean the devil's, you're
• 2:04:16
  right, the devil's do believe in Jesus themselves, but they don't
• 2:04:20
  actually put their faith in him and and apply that sacrifice to
• 2:04:23
  themselves. They don't worship him.
• 2:04:25
  They don't have a relationship with Him.
• 2:04:26
  And that's to me, that's what the difference is there.
• 2:04:29
  So I'll react like that when Brett comes back but I was just
• 2:04:32
  trying to think of other things to talk about there too.
• 2:04:35
  I'll probably explain that and then probably maybe get going to
• 2:04:37
  bed unless someone comes on and have some specific questions.
• 2:04:41
  I always like having GTR, come on to because he's even more.
• 2:04:44
  Well, versed in the scriptures then I am, I don't agree with
• 2:04:49
  everyone on everything. You know, I mean that's just
• 2:04:52
  life but that's why I love these kind of discussions.
• 2:04:56
  And talking about those things because that's how I grow and
• 2:04:58
  learn. And so if there's someone out
• 2:05:01
  there that wants to ask questions or has statements just
• 2:05:04
  I would definitely love to talk and if I don't have an answer
• 2:05:07
  I'll tell you. I said I don't know.
• 2:05:08
  No, I'm not I don't claim to have all the answers.
• 2:05:12
  One thing to you know on Brett was talking about his mother
• 2:05:15
  committing suicide. I actually had a friend do that
• 2:05:17
  recently and it I know he believed in the Lord and I do
• 2:05:23
  believe that because we live in a fallen world and because of
• 2:05:26
  All the issues that we have going on with, with everything.
• 2:05:29
  I can only talk about it on YouTube, maybe on another
• 2:05:31
  channel that, you know, there are definitely mental
• 2:05:35
  disabilities and mental problems and God knows your heart.
• 2:05:38
  You know, God no new Brett's Mom's heart, he knew what she
• 2:05:43
  believes and just because she had a weak moment and made it
• 2:05:47
  part, you know, made a decision to take her life.
• 2:05:49
  God's not. I don't believe.
• 2:05:50
  God is going to hold that against her.
• 2:05:52
  I mean, God is a forgiving God. He's a loving God.
• 2:05:55
  He is Is I mean he sent his own son to die for us.
• 2:05:58
  That's what's so important and amazing about this.
• 2:06:01
  Yeah, and that's why that's why, when I'm back how you doing?
• 2:06:07
  You have to re-listen that part but I'll say some again.
• 2:06:10
  Yeah, I got a big old quart of water, and everything else.
• 2:06:13
  I was feeling a little nauseous as well, not because you guys
• 2:06:16
  are just get rough. Sometimes it gets a little bit
• 2:06:19
  too hot for me. Sure, absolutely.
• 2:06:21
  So you want me to read. Explain that to him Julie.
• 2:06:24
  Yeah, go ahead. So yeah, you're absolutely
• 2:06:27
  right, right? When you're, when you're talking
• 2:06:29
  about faith without works is dead.
• 2:06:32
  And I believe what the scripture is meaning there that if you
• 2:06:35
  really truly believe, and that you have a relationship with the
• 2:06:39
  Lord and you Worship the Lord because he is your god, he is,
• 2:06:42
  he is God In the Flesh, he did die for us.
• 2:06:44
  That your actions will match your belief now.
• 2:06:48
  Yes, the devils and stuff. They believe in God too, but
• 2:06:51
  they don't have a relationship. They don't worship him.
• 2:06:53
  They don't they Not their God. All right, they purposely choose
• 2:06:57
  to turn against him and not follow him.
• 2:06:59
  And it's absolutely right. That if your heart is correct
• 2:07:03
  and true, then your actions and your Works will match that.
• 2:07:07
  Now, you're not only you hear Christians all the time they say
• 2:07:10
  and I send daily, I do this. And that's another problem for
• 2:07:14
  me because I looked in the Book of John first John.
• 2:07:17
  And it says, anyone who continues to sin, they are not
• 2:07:21
  of God but there are other father to devil so I don't
• 2:07:24
  Understand when I'm listening to some of the Christians out there
• 2:07:27
  on the internet. They're like, yeah, I send
• 2:07:29
  daily. I disobey God and but I can get
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  forgiveness for it and all the time.
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  Like, it's weird. I hear that.
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  But then the Bible kind of gives me a different interpretation of
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  that. Well, what it's saying is it
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  what I think? Now, I'm not vouching for all of
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  them because a bunch of them. They use that as an excuse, they
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  use it as a license to sin, once I definitely do not agree with
• 2:07:52
  that. That is not what the scripture
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  means, by yield always be forgiven and all right, because
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  then now you're just believing it for your own pleasure at,
• 2:08:02
  that's not a true Faith. That's not truly believing.
• 2:08:04
  So what it is is God works on our heart daily.
• 2:08:07
  That's why it's so important to get into the word, that's why it
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  talks about the renewing of the mind, right?
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  So if you are That word and you are renewing your mind and you
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  are constantly striving your best to become better and to
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  follow God, and to have a relationship with him.
• 2:08:24
  That's why the relationship is so important.
• 2:08:26
  Because C, then the Holy Spirit comes in here and starts working
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  on you to stop those sins to break that cycle.
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  So yes, if you are purposely sinning over and over again and
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  you and then you're using it as an excuse at all, God's just
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  going to forgive me. I'm sorry.
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  I mean, that's like I love my wife.
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  Wife. But I beat her every night, but
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  I swear I love my wife, right? The wife's going to say, my
• 2:08:48
  husband doesn't love me, right? I mean that that's or like with
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  your dog, let's say you're the same thing with an animal.
• 2:08:55
  I mean, it doesn't matter. The point is your love, your
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  faith, your belief will match your actions, and as long as you
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  are continually working on that and growing, that's why it is so
• 2:09:07
  important to stay in the word to stay in the scripture because
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  that is what renews your mind it regenerates.
• 2:09:13
  You it regenerates the way you think, the way you feel the way
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  you treat people, right? That's why sometimes it takes
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  patience with some people. Like, they may be Believers.
• 2:09:23
  And some people are more stubborn than others, right?
• 2:09:25
  The same sun will harden. A piece of bread, but will also
• 2:09:30
  melt a piece of butter. The sun is the same, right?
• 2:09:33
  The sun's not changing any, but it's how you take that in.
• 2:09:37
  So it's God melting your heart, so that you become softer, and
• 2:09:41
  you build that relationship with him Or is he hurting your heart
• 2:09:44
  like he did with Pharaoh right? He didn't technically hardened
• 2:09:48
  Pharaoh's heart. It was the way that Pharaoh
• 2:09:50
  interpreted and took God's light.
• 2:09:53
  And so instead of its softening his heart, he let it Harden his
• 2:09:56
  heart and I'm we got somebody, we got somebody new in the room.
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  Hello Chet Hanks, what your theological position and
• 2:10:02
  political disposition want to put a banana.
• 2:10:05
  All right, there we go. Let's get you banned from
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  Studio. That's crazy.
• 2:10:13
  Yeah. We get a lot of, I swear.
• 2:10:15
  I've seen so many penises and vaginas on my screen sometimes I
• 2:10:19
  think I'm going to strip club instead of a God TV radio show,
• 2:10:23
  it's horrible. It's just so immature to me.
• 2:10:26
  It's like you don't have to be here and listen, you can go
• 2:10:28
  somewhere else. Yeah, you know, I did a tutorial
• 2:10:32
  a while back necklace and Julie, I don't know if you know this
• 2:10:35
  but I taught people how to take their mouths and go to the top
• 2:10:39
  right hand corner, their browser and click an X.
• 2:10:42
  I said you don't like what I have to say that will make me
• 2:10:44
  disappear, almost instantly. It's almost like magic, but
• 2:10:48
  these people don't learn very good.
• 2:10:51
  Yeah, it's crazy. It might terrible.
• 2:10:55
  Not at all. No, I think you're good at
• 2:10:58
  monitoring, keeping out things. That shouldn't be in, so that's
• 2:11:00
  good. Oh, I've I've been able to run
• 2:11:05
  it like a damn boot camp 98% of times but every once in a while
• 2:11:09
  they get a penis snuck out on me and stuff, they're not ready
• 2:11:12
  for. But yeah, I got to keep paying
• 2:11:14
  attention for sure, that is wild.
• 2:11:17
  Yeah. Well I mean do you have any more
• 2:11:20
  questions for me or and I might well there's a couple different
• 2:11:23
  things I have noticed. One of the things I don't
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  understand, I had a terrible amount of Christians get
• 2:11:32
  aggravated with me about My Views whenever it comes to
• 2:11:35
  homosexuality. I don't believe that the
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  government has any right whatsoever to take out minority
• 2:11:42
  groups, or get people on their sexual preferences as where you
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  both have Only heard by now, that's Matt Powell.
• 2:11:49
  As well as can Tobin's views, aren't it?
• 2:11:51
  And even can Tobin seems like he's surprised.
• 2:11:55
  He's like, I don't get it but Cain asked me what my views
• 2:11:58
  were. I thought that he was going to
• 2:11:59
  say we're to love everyone and that's what God would want from
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  us. I didn't expect him to compare
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  them to parasites and sewage and that the government should wipe
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  out, but because I stood on the grounds of protecting life and
• 2:12:14
  loving people, there's Christians out there.
• 2:12:17
  Saying, I'm not a Christian now. For that, what am I supposed to
• 2:12:20
  do? Am I supposed to Love My Enemy
• 2:12:21
  or stone people to death? Love your enemy and not a lot of
• 2:12:25
  your enemy. Yeah.
• 2:12:26
  Just like t2r was saying, we are in a New Covenant, you know, and
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  we are not in the there were many sins in the old Covenant
• 2:12:34
  and those were for the Jews that caused for killing stoning
• 2:12:37
  people to death. Yeah, I mean, there were many
• 2:12:39
  many, many that were listed, especially they came up with a
• 2:12:42
  whole bunch of their own rules that that were not in scripture
• 2:12:44
  to and no. Really not.
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  I mean, I had friends in high school that her own sexual.
• 2:12:51
  I one of my friends actually is decided to become transgender
• 2:12:54
  lately and I think he thought I was going to respond differently
• 2:12:57
  and I was like, I'll be praying for.
• 2:12:59
  I hope you're doing okay. You know, I what what I mean we
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  went to church together, we did youth group together.
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  I mean, when we were younger, when I was in my early twenties
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  and stuff like what am I going to preach to him that he doesn't
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  already know? I mean, all I can do is treat
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  him with kindness and and pray. And hope that he's happy and
• 2:13:19
  living his life. You know, I mean, we live in a
• 2:13:23
  world that's full of confusion, right?
• 2:13:26
  I mean, that's and we're all confused and we all have
• 2:13:29
  questions and I mean, I view it in like, disagree on those
• 2:13:33
  topics. Like, listen, Julie, I feel like
• 2:13:36
  when I'm around other Christians, I feel like I'm
• 2:13:38
  walking on eggshells. It's like they forget that.
• 2:13:41
  I was an atheist for almost 15 years of my life, making videos
• 2:13:45
  and all that. One of my One of my best friends
• 2:13:48
  in the entire world was a homosexual that lived in Canada
• 2:13:52
  and he used to hang out on my shows when I Rose a non-believer
• 2:13:55
  and he whenever I had problems or had issues, he was there for
• 2:14:00
  me. He tried to help me out through
• 2:14:01
  a lot of different things. Unfortunately, he ended up
• 2:14:04
  committing suicide by taking a bunch of pills.
• 2:14:07
  He did not succeed and then the Panic vegetation State for the
• 2:14:11
  rest of his life. His parents had to make the
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  choice of ending it for him but I can't.
• 2:14:17
  You know, forget about the homosexual friends I had and
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  then go on to jumping into this mess claiming that they ought to
• 2:14:25
  be executed that they're terrible vile people because I
• 2:14:28
  simply don't believe that there may be some vile homosexuals.
• 2:14:32
  There's while straight people, but I'm not about to go out into
• 2:14:35
  the damn world and start talking about stoning people in the
• 2:14:38
  shit. Hell with that.
• 2:14:40
  Yeah, we are our. Our job is to love them.
• 2:14:44
  Now we can be Now we speak the truth.
• 2:14:49
  See, this is the fair, this is the phrase.
• 2:14:51
  You love the sinner. Hate the sin.
• 2:14:54
  Okay? Now we love them.
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  When there's people that are homosexual, they're deciding.
• 2:14:59
  If they want to be a boy or girl.
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  We're supposed to just love them.
• 2:15:02
  Our job is not to is to judge them, that's God's job.
• 2:15:06
  God, job is to judge them. Now we can do righteous judgment
• 2:15:09
  where if we know that somebody is living a lifestyle.
• 2:15:13
  That's not adding up with with God's.
• 2:15:17
  Word, we can respectfully talk with them and say, hey, you're
• 2:15:21
  heading down. Not a very good path here, but I
• 2:15:23
  love you. I will help you.
• 2:15:25
  I will work with you. If you have any questions,
• 2:15:28
  please be open and honest with me and I'll help you the best.
• 2:15:30
  I can, we're supposed to be there to love them because the
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  gay community, they're not going to read the Bible but they will
• 2:15:41
  read you. And that's why when us
• 2:15:44
  Christians we have to always be alert and aware that we don't
• 2:15:49
  know like on this broadcast right now.
• 2:15:51
  We don't know who's listening to us.
• 2:15:53
  It could be somebody in somewhere around the world, we
• 2:15:56
  don't know. And that's why we always have to
• 2:15:58
  be on on guard and alert and always be loving and
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  compassionate towards others because you don't know that
• 2:16:04
  could save them tonight. We don't know who's listening
• 2:16:07
  us, why we always have to be very careful with the words that
• 2:16:09
  we use, in the things that we say, no, it was very wrong of
• 2:16:12
  Kent, hovind and Matt Powell to say that they should be
• 2:16:14
  executed. And, and, and cause for that Not
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  our job. That's God's job to do the
• 2:16:20
  Judgment. Our job is to respect them.
• 2:16:22
  Love them and guide them to the truth.
• 2:16:24
  Respectfully, we need to be truthful and standard ground
• 2:16:29
  with the Bible with other people and not just the gays, anybody,
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  right? Of any Village Julian Nicklaus.
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  I meant Palin. Kids obviously didn't listen to
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  me on. This are a lot of these people,
• 2:16:41
  but I fully support that if people want to acknowledge that
• 2:16:45
  something's a sin or they On to do, correction with other people
• 2:16:49
  and not in a like self-righteous indignation type of way.
• 2:16:53
  But say look, I don't know if you realize this but biblically,
• 2:16:56
  this is not a sound idea or lifestyle.
• 2:17:00
  I still love you. I care about you but you know, I
• 2:17:03
  can't I can't endorse and support the lifestyle and I
• 2:17:08
  don't see a problem with that but the killing part is what
• 2:17:12
  fuck. Yeah.
• 2:17:12
  And that and that was wrong and that was wrong of them to say
• 2:17:16
  because that's again. And that's not that's not okay.
• 2:17:20
  Well, I'm not a hateful teachers to kill many sins in the Old
• 2:17:24
  Testament because all sins are equal death.
• 2:17:27
  Oh, it doesn't matter. In God's eyes.
• 2:17:29
  In order to be with him, we have to be sinless.
• 2:17:31
  There's no one. I mean it's ridiculous to me
• 2:17:35
  because all of us were Sinners, all of us were on the wrong
• 2:17:39
  path. All of us, you know, we're
• 2:17:41
  locked at some point. Why are they any different?
• 2:17:45
  Why should they be treated any differently?
• 2:17:47
  Than how I was treated. When I was trying to find the
• 2:17:49
  Lord, and get my life back right with God and have a relationship
• 2:17:53
  with him. What makes them so special that
• 2:17:55
  their sin is worse than mine. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:57
  That's a, that's a good point Nick because, because all sin is
• 2:18:02
  the same adultery. Someone stealing someone
• 2:18:05
  murdering someone. You know, all sin is the same to
• 2:18:11
  God. God sees all sin the same.
• 2:18:13
  There's no such thing as one sins worse than the other two.
• 2:18:17
  God, they're all the same and that's why in the Old Testament
• 2:18:20
  that the law was there. Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt
• 2:18:23
  not steal, Thou shalt not commit, adultery Thou shalt not.
• 2:18:26
  That's why the the laws are there.
• 2:18:28
  The laws are there to show us that we can't measure up to
• 2:18:31
  God's standards of how we should live and God knowing that and
• 2:18:35
  God still loving us even though that we fall short of the glory
• 2:18:39
  of God. That's why he sent his son to
• 2:18:41
  die on the cross for us. I also bring about that.
• 2:18:46
  It is silly, that it's always like, walking on eggshells of
• 2:18:48
  everybody. So, so we've grown up in this
• 2:18:50
  culture of everybody. Offends me, everybody is so
• 2:18:54
  sensitive, everybody. It's like, why can't we still
• 2:18:57
  treat each other with kindness and respect?
• 2:19:00
  I mean, we live in America where you have the right to believe
• 2:19:03
  what you want and is now it's sad that they hate the
• 2:19:07
  Christians just as much if not more, but it's also you can't
• 2:19:11
  blame them when they're hearing things from preachers out there.
• 2:19:14
  There that are saying, horrible things like that, which is not
• 2:19:17
  what the Bible teaches in the New Covenant at all.
• 2:19:20
  And, you know, I mean it's like some of these features.
• 2:19:23
  Like, if you're going to go and preach out of a homosexual
• 2:19:25
  thing, then why aren't you going and preaching out in front of
• 2:19:27
  the gentlemen's club doing the same thing, right?
• 2:19:31
  I mean that it's the same thing. So I mean if you're going to go
• 2:19:34
  out there and preach at a transgender rally, then you
• 2:19:37
  should go and preach in front of the gentlemen's club, or you
• 2:19:40
  should go preach in front of, you know, just Trying to think
• 2:19:44
  of something like something where there's a lot of sin and
• 2:19:47
  debauchery going on. If people are partying and doing
• 2:19:51
  all kinds, having sex with each other and oranges, and the Mike
• 2:19:54
  Mardi, Gras, and all that stuff. Like make sure, make sure you
• 2:19:56
  preaching to all of them the same because they're all the
• 2:19:59
  same, you know? And like Julie said, this is one
• 2:20:02
  thing I always said to is like we're going to be the only
• 2:20:05
  Bible, they're probably ever going to read.
• 2:20:07
  They're not going to pick up that word if they do they're
• 2:20:09
  picking it up to pick things out.
• 2:20:11
  Try to pick it apart in there and take things out of context
• 2:20:13
  and You know, we're going to be the only word they have read,
• 2:20:16
  and I was mentioning that this to about your mom.
• 2:20:18
  I don't know if you heard this part where, you know, God knew
• 2:20:20
  your mom's heart and if she was a Believer, most of her life, I
• 2:20:23
  guarantee she's probably up in heaven.
• 2:20:25
  Right now. The suicide is not the
• 2:20:27
  unforgivable sin. The only unforgivable sin and
• 2:20:30
  you know why it's unforgivable. It's I heard you talking about
• 2:20:33
  this the other day. It's blasphemy of the Holy
• 2:20:34
  Spirit but what that actually means is rejecting Christ the
• 2:20:39
  holy spirit. So the only reason is
• 2:20:41
  unforgivable is because you are rejecting Christ.
• 2:20:44
  There really is technically no unforgivable sin that that
• 2:20:48
  normally I don't know why, I don't know if you know this or
• 2:20:51
  not but a lot of non-believers like to throw this up at me
• 2:20:54
  because a long time ago, on my first two years of doing a
• 2:20:59
  atheism and all that some idiot group came out called the
• 2:21:02
  rational response Squad and they told people they challenged
• 2:21:06
  people to make. They said, if you're a
• 2:21:08
  non-believer make a video where you basically commit blasphemy,
• 2:21:13
  I had no idea. What the hell that even meant?
• 2:21:15
  I wasn't. I wasn't even though whenever I
• 2:21:18
  was a kid I was religious I didn't know anything about any
• 2:21:21
  of the stuff. So I ended up going along with
• 2:21:24
  the challenge and said, I deny this and deny that yada yada
• 2:21:27
  yada but I had no idea what the hell I was even talking about to
• 2:21:30
  me. It was just a damn meme on the
• 2:21:33
  internet, going along with it and all that.
• 2:21:36
  So, I looked into it and it appears as though it has to do
• 2:21:40
  with basically not only rejecting God, but So giving
• 2:21:44
  like some kind of power or the authority to the devil or
• 2:21:48
  something. Well I didn't believe in the
• 2:21:49
  devil either at that point you get what I'm saying?
• 2:21:52
  Nick. Yeah it's not that you were,
• 2:21:56
  it's not that you're not forgive like the only way it makes it
• 2:21:59
  unforgivable is if you die believing that that that not
• 2:22:02
  that you can't later on find Christ and bring them into your
• 2:22:05
  heart. Like that doesn't mean it's just
• 2:22:07
  I believe that the Bible saying that because it's saying if you
• 2:22:10
  reject God then of course it's unforgivable.
• 2:22:13
  Yeah. Well Of course, you're forgiven.
• 2:22:18
  Well in the Bible is Forgiven Paul in the Bible.
• 2:22:20
  He killed Christians exactly. He walked murdered Christians.
• 2:22:25
  Yeah. Paul in the Bible and and he
• 2:22:27
  also was blaspheming the Holy Spirit but Paul in the Bible was
• 2:22:31
  forgiven and he is saved and he is one of the strongest
• 2:22:34
  disciples Jesus has. You know, Paul has wrote many
• 2:22:39
  books in the New Testament and powerful books In the Testaments
• 2:22:44
  amazing. I love Paul in the Bible but
• 2:22:47
  yeah, he coat so it has it has to do with the heart.
• 2:22:52
  Exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's what makes it
• 2:22:54
  different because your heart is never brings Christ in and
• 2:22:58
  that's the only reason why it becomes unforgivable.
• 2:23:00
  So otherwise it's all forgivable because, you know, now I do
• 2:23:05
  think the Bible does talk about different levels of sin.
• 2:23:08
  But in a sense, though, all sin is the same because in order for
• 2:23:12
  us to be with God, we must also be perfect.
• 2:23:14
  That is his nature, that is the way that he is and he cannot be
• 2:23:18
  around, you know, that. So Why?
• 2:23:21
  That's why Jesus is blood cleanses us white as snow?
• 2:23:24
  Correct? Yes.
• 2:23:25
  So he can be with him and see. The other thing too, is a lot of
• 2:23:28
  people don't realize the me, I see how long as it's the absence
• 2:23:32
  of God, you know. And if you don't want to be with
• 2:23:34
  God, why you're going to want to be there, you know what I mean?
• 2:23:36
  And once you're out of God's presence, you know that's that
• 2:23:42
  is hell. That's the absence of it.
• 2:23:44
  So I'm still studying in. I know what you good said.
• 2:23:46
  They're Nicholas. That's one of the reasons I
• 2:23:49
  wanted to talk to you guys about some of my Pacifism.
• 2:23:52
  Seen the cause me to walk on eggshells with other religious,
• 2:23:56
  folks. I don't know if you knew this
• 2:23:58
  are seen my videos on it, but I have stated that I refer to
• 2:24:02
  myself as I refer to myself as several different things within
• 2:24:06
  the concept of Christianity. But one of the theologies I have
• 2:24:10
  is a, my man. I Elation estab you ever heard
• 2:24:12
  of this? No, I have not Annihilation
• 2:24:17
  assist. Yes.
• 2:24:19
  Okay. I have not.
• 2:24:21
  Okay, annihilationism means that you do not believe in Dante's
• 2:24:24
  Inferno Version or brand of he'll usually Pentecostals and
• 2:24:28
  Baptist and even some Catholics. Hold the idea that when you go
• 2:24:32
  to hell, you're going to be tortured and tormented for all
• 2:24:35
  eternity. In the passages of the Bible.
• 2:24:38
  Jesus says fear not that which can destroy the body but he that
• 2:24:44
  can destroy not only the body but also the soul to me.
• 2:24:48
  I've read the Old Testament as well as new Over 15 times.
• 2:24:52
  And it tells us that the second death is actually the death and
• 2:24:56
  destruction of the soul. And I'll give you an example of
• 2:24:59
  something necklace, that you said just a moment ago, and I
• 2:25:03
  haven't had any Christians be able to throw me off from this
• 2:25:05
  yet. But you said out of the presence
• 2:25:08
  of God, wouldn't that logically mean?
• 2:25:11
  That if an omnipresent God puts you out of his presence?
• 2:25:14
  The only way that is possible without contradicting itself is
• 2:25:19
  that you simply stop. Existing.
• 2:25:21
  That's the only way to be out of the presence of the nominee
• 2:25:24
  present God sure. Yeah and and like I said, I
• 2:25:27
  heard TJ arcing the day about like after the white Throne
• 2:25:30
  judgment. Yeah, that their souls will be
• 2:25:32
  no longer. So I mean, it's kind of like to
• 2:25:34
  I don't know if you look to the Bible, this is one study.
• 2:25:37
  I've been trying to get dive more into it.
• 2:25:38
  Never specifically says that you're going to go to heaven.
• 2:25:41
  Now it does refer to it, but go ahead and look through the Bible
• 2:25:45
  and see if you can find verse where it says that Nick Colonel
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  life, it does say that we will be Rice and all that.
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  And like I said, when you go into the context and everything,
• 2:25:55
  yes, there is going to be having those going to be the second
• 2:25:57
  Earth. We're God makes everything
• 2:25:59
  perfect again. And you know, so those are all
• 2:26:02
  interesting things. I really like to study and get
• 2:26:05
  into so well you said that's what you wanted necklace.
• 2:26:08
  So I thought we could get on the hot seat that we'd spend an hour
• 2:26:12
  going on about Kent and his evil minions and all that.
• 2:26:15
  And then I figured let's jump into some bible stuff.
• 2:26:17
  And you know, I figured I'd share some of my personal views
• 2:26:20
  with he lets you either try to refute me or see what your
• 2:26:24
  opinion is on it. I'm like that.
• 2:26:26
  I love your questions and I love the deep thought and they're
• 2:26:31
  very, very cool. And I'm sure the questions that
• 2:26:34
  you give bread or I'm sure so many people think like, you
• 2:26:39
  know, and some people in this world they don't have anybody to
• 2:26:42
  go to to get answers from. And so it's actually, it's
• 2:26:46
  pretty neat and see and I love doing live shows like this where
• 2:26:50
  we get into the And basically, we're doing a Bible study right
• 2:26:53
  now. I mean, you know, I mean it's
• 2:26:56
  super cool. I love.
• 2:26:59
  Yeah, this is the type of stuff that I love doing and sharing
• 2:27:02
  God's word and leading people to Christ this way.
• 2:27:04
  And it's so sad with the Kent hovind issue.
• 2:27:08
  It's super sad were, that's full of strife and Discord, and
• 2:27:12
  people are bashing one another, and it's not good.
• 2:27:15
  And it doesn't make God happy at all.
• 2:27:18
  So, anyway, this is the type of stuff that we should.
• 2:27:21
  Be doing. This is cool.
• 2:27:23
  That's what I was doing before. All the crazy stuff went down
• 2:27:27
  and I had of course hoped while I was building my show in the
• 2:27:30
  past, I wanted people to be able to come in and if they felt like
• 2:27:35
  I was wrong with my biblical Notions and Views, I was hoping
• 2:27:40
  that people would either refute or debunk or tell me the
• 2:27:43
  direction I should be going. And I considered myself a
• 2:27:45
  work-in-progress a babe in Christ.
• 2:27:48
  We are still do, I still am learning everybody's a working
• 2:27:51
  progress. And not only that, you know, the
• 2:27:54
  Bible is something I was trying to bring up dude.
• 2:27:55
  At this atheist was saying how the Bible says, to confound the
• 2:27:58
  wise and how it says not to study and look in and that the
• 2:28:01
  only way you can believe that and I'm like, that's not the
• 2:28:03
  Bible teaches that we are supposed to study that were
• 2:28:06
  supposed to give an answer. And actually another atheist
• 2:28:09
  actually said that he's like, well, actually, the Bible says
• 2:28:11
  that we're supposed to be able to give an answer to those who
• 2:28:13
  ask. So I'm like, I don't know where
• 2:28:15
  he was getting that from and and what are our some preachers that
• 2:28:18
  do that necklace whenever I was a kid, I was extremely imagine,
• 2:28:23
  - and constantly thinking of I just was mystified by the
• 2:28:27
  concept of God, I was very fascinated and I remember going
• 2:28:31
  to the preachers and saying, okay so what's the deal with
• 2:28:34
  this? What's the deal with that?
• 2:28:35
  And then the preacher would say you're not the question.
• 2:28:38
  God, who are you the Potter or something like that?
• 2:28:41
  Pull in the job versus on Army and I said the preacher asking
• 2:28:45
  you show received knock and I shall open always be prepared to
• 2:28:48
  give an answer and they go well that you know, you're getting
• 2:28:52
  onto thin ice. It's like the preacher was
• 2:28:55
  scared to get into an actual deep discussion about the
• 2:28:58
  concept of God. And I told myself long time ago,
• 2:29:01
  I'm not going to allow myself to be scared and the Book of John
• 2:29:05
  it says fear cannot love cannot be obtained through fear.
• 2:29:10
  So why am I going to be all frightened?
• 2:29:12
  If God loves me? I should be able to ask
• 2:29:14
  questions. Well, there is a healthy fear of
• 2:29:17
  the Lord, like the like the you mentioned earlier that That be
• 2:29:23
  fearful of the one who can send you to hell.
• 2:29:25
  Yeah, God can do that. But there's a healthy fear of
• 2:29:29
  the Lord. A respectful fear of God.
• 2:29:33
  God is almighty. God is all powerful God.
• 2:29:35
  Back to MIT here. It's yeah, yeah, there's we need
• 2:29:40
  over. There's a healthy fear of God.
• 2:29:42
  Yes. God can, can God can send us to
• 2:29:45
  hell but I'm trying to but that fear doesn't include asking
• 2:29:52
  questions. He asked.
• 2:29:53
  He wants you to ask questions and no and build.
• 2:29:55
  Yeah, well this is where. Yeah, this is where the
• 2:29:57
  relationship comes in God is our Father God is ABBA.
• 2:30:02
  Our Father. We're his children.
• 2:30:04
  God loves us. Of course, talk to God.
• 2:30:06
  God wants you to talk to him. Daily.
• 2:30:08
  Do you know what prayer means? Prayer means talking to God.
• 2:30:12
  That's all that. That means I have conversations
• 2:30:14
  with God all day long. I talked to God about my things.
• 2:30:18
  I'm upset about, I talk to God about things.
• 2:30:20
  I'm happy about, I talk to God about things.
• 2:30:23
  I want changed in life and this and I talk to God about
• 2:30:25
  everything because God is our father.
• 2:30:28
  He's our Abba Father in heaven and we are his children and that
• 2:30:33
  is a relationship with God. Now, a lot of people say, I
• 2:30:36
  don't know, God will read his word, read the Bible, you'll get
• 2:30:40
  to know exactly who God Is by reading his word.
• 2:30:42
  That the, the Bible is all authority in life.
• 2:30:46
  And yeah, we should be fearful of God, but in a respectful
• 2:30:52
  healthy, You know, because we couldn't be.
• 2:30:56
  Yeah, there's there's a healthy fear and that's yeah.
• 2:30:59
  And you should have a healthy fear of him, he's got Almighty.
• 2:31:02
  He could do whatever he wants to do.
• 2:31:04
  You know, I mean, he created this whole entire world all by
• 2:31:06
  himself. With just speaking words out
• 2:31:09
  into existence, that's how powerful he is.
• 2:31:13
  So you know, I guess Julie, I'll throw out some more.
• 2:31:17
  Philosophies I appreciate you pointing that out.
• 2:31:20
  I agree with you and Nikolas on that too.
• 2:31:23
  Two of the other philosophies, that get me into some trouble
• 2:31:26
  with folks and see what your opinion is on it.
• 2:31:29
  I also call myself a theological compatible list and I can
• 2:31:33
  explain it to you if you'd like. I think I talked to Nick about
• 2:31:36
  that for a moment and also I call myself a mouthy assist,
• 2:31:40
  which is also very close to this c as mm.
• 2:31:43
  You know what this is? I don't know that terminology
• 2:31:47
  know if this e is, mmm. This C is MM, d y, está.
• 2:31:53
  With theism basically after dys, that's what that means all.
• 2:31:58
  I'll tell you what, a the compatibilist is.
• 2:32:01
  And I think Nicholas, I kind of agreed with me whenever I
• 2:32:04
  brought it up for a moment with them.
• 2:32:06
  It's a person who believes that God has predetermined a great
• 2:32:10
  deal of / parameters in the universe and with the sentients
• 2:32:14
  and Humanity but also believes that the parameters are open
• 2:32:17
  enough for people to have limited Free Will.
• 2:32:21
  Does that make sense? And When I say limited Free Will
• 2:32:24
  I mean that you can't go up on the roof and choose to fly and
• 2:32:27
  suddenly fly kind of things. You basically are limited to
• 2:32:31
  your human abilities. Does that make sense to you,
• 2:32:34
  right? We don't have superpowers,
• 2:32:36
  right? Is that what you mean?
• 2:32:38
  Basically, we have we have Free Will based upon our human
• 2:32:43
  limited functions, but there are certain things that are
• 2:32:47
  predetermined like I believe that Jesus Christ was
• 2:32:49
  predetermined to come to the Earth from the get-go.
• 2:32:53
  However, I believe that mankind, I described it whenever I'm
• 2:32:57
  talking to like people who do not know that much about the
• 2:33:01
  theology, I compare it to kind of a game even though the game
• 2:33:04
  is programmed and everything is designed within it.
• 2:33:08
  You still play as an avatar, basically moving around in the
• 2:33:12
  direction that God has allowed you to do.
• 2:33:14
  Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:17
  So let me can you Oh, you didn't hear.
• 2:33:24
  You can't hear me. I was going to pull up my Bible
• 2:33:26
  on my phone. I guess you can't hear me when I
• 2:33:28
  try to do that. So John John 1:1 in.
• 2:33:33
  The beginning was God can can, can you do me a favor?
• 2:33:39
  Brett, can you pull up the King? James, John 1:1?
• 2:33:44
  My mind is I don't know why I can't.
• 2:33:48
  Okay, their way you can do that. I want you to read that verse.
• 2:33:53
  I'm trying to look for a but I don't have my Bible with me and
• 2:33:55
  I can't pull it up on my phone. I don't know why you I remember
• 2:33:58
  this verse all the time in my head and I just can't think of
• 2:34:01
  it right now. But so what's the verse John
• 2:34:03
  1:1? Go to John 1:1.
• 2:34:06
  I do. King James.
• 2:34:09
  I do crosswalk Bible because it allows me to be able to see all
• 2:34:12
  the different translations and question.
• 2:34:15
  Oh, yeah. That's that's fine.
• 2:34:16
  Okay, so it is, it goes in the beginning was the word and the
• 2:34:21
  Word was with God and the Word was God?
• 2:34:24
  Correct? Is that what you want?
• 2:34:27
  Correct. Yep.
• 2:34:28
  That's correct. And so obviously, you were
• 2:34:31
  correlating it with something. Yeah.
• 2:34:34
  God. In the beginning with God,
• 2:34:39
  right? I agree with that.
• 2:34:41
  Yeah. And I just God created all
• 2:34:45
  things. God is, God was in the
• 2:34:47
  beginning, the word was in the beginning, God's word will never
• 2:34:51
  fade away the heavens and the Earth shall fade away.
• 2:34:53
  But my words shall Never Fade Away.
• 2:34:56
  Isn't that amazing? Yeah, I think police, basically
• 2:34:59
  saying she agrees with you too. If she understands it a little
• 2:35:02
  what you're saying that. You understand what I'm saying
• 2:35:04
  this? Yeah.
• 2:35:06
  Yeah. I mean yeah I think you're also
• 2:35:08
  having trouble us. Understand what saying.
• 2:35:09
  But yeah, I think Julie would be on the same theology with that
• 2:35:13
  to to a point. Yeah.
• 2:35:14
  Absolutely. It's yeah.
• 2:35:16
  There are certain parameters that God program this world, and
• 2:35:18
  that we have to stay within, but at the same time, we do have
• 2:35:23
  free will to move within those parameters.
• 2:35:25
  Yeah, absolutely. I guess I'm not understanding
• 2:35:28
  about your limited to Free Will for you.
• 2:35:30
  Well, is Free Will, right? I don't I guess some things.
• 2:35:36
  It's kind of like a logical thing.
• 2:35:38
  There's logically things that we can choose to do, but you can't
• 2:35:42
  choose something that goes beyond the parameters of the
• 2:35:45
  program, like the natural laws, like you're not going to be able
• 2:35:49
  to have superpowers, you're not going to be able to dive in
• 2:35:51
  front of the diesel and survive. All right, correct.
• 2:35:55
  So, are you saying that people do believe that?
• 2:35:57
  Is that what you're saying? There's, it seems like with
• 2:36:00
  Christianity. There's two types of Brands.
• 2:36:03
  There's one group that believes that we have in, Entirely all
• 2:36:07
  free will and then there's the other side of the spectrum that
• 2:36:10
  believes that we're all predestined than elected and and
• 2:36:13
  that some people were destined for hell even before they were
• 2:36:17
  born. Well so like the calvinist think
• 2:36:19
  that we were predestined, the Calvinists think like better.
• 2:36:25
  Yeah yeah yeah. So the atheists are going to
• 2:36:28
  come along obviously hearing these two different sides of the
• 2:36:31
  equation and they're going to see it as a contradiction.
• 2:36:35
  It can't be Contradicted, if you're compatible list because
• 2:36:38
  it compatible is, does believe that God predestined and
• 2:36:41
  predetermined things as the Bible says, but also allows us
• 2:36:45
  the choice of accepting the gift of Jesus Christ.
• 2:36:48
  Which means that God gave us the choice within the parameters of
• 2:36:53
  the game. Does that make sense now?
• 2:36:55
  Yeah, it's both basically. I like, I really like I used to
• 2:36:58
  teach you how. Yeah, it is predetermined but it
• 2:37:00
  is also free will it is, it is both.
• 2:37:02
  That's why so many people struggle with that concept
• 2:37:05
  because they feel like like it has to be one way or the other
• 2:37:07
  but it is not. It is both I mean it's kind of
• 2:37:10
  like I said it's like watching It's like got it's like us
• 2:37:13
  watching a football game on TV that we've seen before.
• 2:37:16
  Does that mean that the quarterback didn't choose to
• 2:37:19
  throw the football to the player know that was his choice.
• 2:37:22
  Now I knew that he was going to do that because I seen the game
• 2:37:25
  before but that doesn't change his toys, you know?
• 2:37:28
  I mean like I believe it that it's both.
• 2:37:30
  I believe that that is free will, but it is also very
• 2:37:34
  determined and and It's kind of God already knows what's going
• 2:37:38
  to happen before it happens. But you still have the choices
• 2:37:41
  within that those were still your choices.
• 2:37:43
  God just knows what your choice was going to be.
• 2:37:45
  So, yeah, it's kind of, it's crazy what?
• 2:37:48
  One of the tricky parts to Nicklaus, and this might be
• 2:37:51
  fascinating to you. Julie, I think one of the
• 2:37:54
  reasons why some Christians get to these extreme spectrums of
• 2:37:58
  either, it's all free will or it's you know, fully predestined
• 2:38:02
  is because they look at God in an anthropomorphism.
• 2:38:06
  Epic way, which means that they try to imagine themselves in the
• 2:38:10
  place of God and how they see things.
• 2:38:13
  And human see things line here, we see moving forward, right?
• 2:38:17
  But with God, it's possible for him to know what would happen if
• 2:38:22
  you did left or right. It's like he can see a million
• 2:38:25
  infinite possibilities of what your life could be.
• 2:38:29
  Like if you made this decision or this decision.
• 2:38:32
  And that's how in the parameters, you are given free
• 2:38:34
  will to be able to do what you want.
• 2:38:36
  To God knows I the way he knows what your life will be either
• 2:38:39
  way but you have a million different choices on how you can
• 2:38:43
  direct it and he'll know the in conclusion of each one.
• 2:38:46
  That makes sense. Yes, yes.
• 2:38:48
  I understand that now. Yes, and that's very true.
• 2:38:51
  God is all-knowing. He knows what he knows the
• 2:38:55
  beginning to the end. He is the Alpha and the Omega.
• 2:38:59
  Yeah, he knows all things but we don't see us humans.
• 2:39:03
  We don't know what's me. I don't know what's going to To
• 2:39:06
  happen tomorrow. I have no idea.
• 2:39:07
  I'm going to go to church tomorrow, and I'm gonna be with
• 2:39:12
  my friend who I'm with right now tomorrow at church.
• 2:39:15
  I'm going to go spend some time and check out her church
• 2:39:17
  tomorrow, which I'm really excited about.
• 2:39:18
  So but I don't know how it's going to end.
• 2:39:20
  I don't know what the service is going to be, I don't know.
• 2:39:22
  So us humans, don't know the future.
• 2:39:26
  We don't know if we're going to live tomorrow or not.
• 2:39:30
  So, but God knows. So yeah, I guess I do understand
• 2:39:33
  what you're saying. Now, I'm sorry sometimes with
• 2:39:36
  the big vocabulary words, it's hard for me to.
• 2:39:38
  That's why Nick is much better at this than me but but I
• 2:39:42
  understand what you're saying now.
• 2:39:45
  Yes, God is all-knowing. God is yesterday today and
• 2:39:48
  tomorrow his he never changes his word, never changes.
• 2:39:50
  He created all things. He is going to be here from
• 2:39:52
  beginning to end. Yes.
• 2:39:54
  But us humans, we don't know. And God knows that.
• 2:39:59
  So that's when it all goes back. Beginning, with the tree of the
• 2:40:02
  knowledge of Good and Evil. And God said, you can eat all of
• 2:40:06
  the trees here in the garden. And except for this one tree,
• 2:40:09
  the knowledge of Good and Evil. And so that's when the devil
• 2:40:12
  came and tricked and deceived Eve, into eating the fruit and
• 2:40:17
  then gave to her husband to eat. And then that's when it became a
• 2:40:21
  Fallen World at that point because in the very, very, very,
• 2:40:24
  very beginning before Eve. And Adam ate the forbidden
• 2:40:28
  fruit, it was supposed to be perfect.
• 2:40:30
  God did not design and create this world for it, to be as evil
• 2:40:34
  and damaging as it is, today with death, and strife, and
• 2:40:38
  conniving people, he didn't, this is breaking God's heart.
• 2:40:41
  This is not the original World. God wanted it to be God, created
• 2:40:45
  a perfect world where. Oh my gosh, I'd we can't even
• 2:40:50
  imagine in our brains. How amazing, and how marvelous
• 2:40:55
  the Garden of Eden was before the Adam and Eve ate the
• 2:40:58
  forbidden fruit. God created a perfect.
• 2:41:00
  World in the beginning and then when they disobeyed, God and ate
• 2:41:03
  the forbidden fruit, that's when it became a fallen world and
• 2:41:06
  that's why we see death and suffering that we do today.
• 2:41:08
  So, so yeah, God did give us free will and he gave us a
• 2:41:12
  choice. That's why he put the knowledge
• 2:41:14
  of tree of Good and Evil there. Because God said, well if we if
• 2:41:19
  we love God will obey him, you know what I mean?
• 2:41:22
  So, yeah, we have free will but God knows from beginning to end.
• 2:41:28
  So yeah, that's a very complicated.
• 2:41:30
  Plex there. But yeah, it gets deep like
• 2:41:32
  that. That would be my I think.
• 2:41:35
  Yeah, I agree with you that Vans tries to put their limitations
• 2:41:39
  on. God.
• 2:41:39
  He is he is out. Say, it's kind of like can't
• 2:41:42
  used to use this one. A lot where you know, you got
• 2:41:45
  mr. Circle and mr.
• 2:41:46
  Square on a flat piece of paper. And you know and then you try to
• 2:41:50
  as a 3D person put your finger in and mr.
• 2:41:53
  Square goes oh I seen God, he's Circle, you know and then mr.
• 2:41:58
  And mrs. Square goes I've seen He's two
• 2:42:01
  circles because you put two fingers and right, they live in
• 2:42:04
  a two-dimensional World. They can't understand three
• 2:42:07
  dimensions. And I believe that God is in a
• 2:42:09
  fourth dimension, and we can't always understand him.
• 2:42:11
  And if we did, like, I said, he would not be a very powerful
• 2:42:15
  God. And so, yes, I agree with you
• 2:42:16
  that people they get confused and they get stuck on either the
• 2:42:19
  left or the right and because they limit God to the way that
• 2:42:23
  their mind thinks and interprets things.
• 2:42:25
  And that to me is, what makes God so powerful?
• 2:42:29
  Anyway, I II. The babies are up again.
• 2:42:32
  I gotta get them fed. We gotta do this again soon,
• 2:42:34
  Brett. I love you, honey.
• 2:42:39
  I was gonna say Nicholas. And I rarely hear any, any
• 2:42:43
  Christians in the discussion ever bring up.
• 2:42:46
  The, what you're referring to is a flatlander theory about the
• 2:42:50
  dimensional entities, that are above us and around us, but we
• 2:42:53
  can't see them based upon Dimension and that's actually
• 2:42:57
  one of the views I go towards. I believe that God is either
• 2:43:00
  forth. Fifth dimensional entity that he
• 2:43:02
  can be right all around us and we wouldn't be able to see him
• 2:43:06
  due to our limited abilities, because mostly open yourself up
• 2:43:10
  to it. Well God, God is a spirit and
• 2:43:12
  yes, we are created in God's image but God is a spirit and
• 2:43:19
  yeah he's well he's more than that.
• 2:43:20
  Yeah yeah but but yeah God is, what is that word omnipotent,
• 2:43:26
  he's everywhere. He's in our air.
• 2:43:30
  God is with us right now. It says in his word that when
• 2:43:33
  there's two or more people speaking in his name that he's
• 2:43:38
  Among Us, he's in the midst of us.
• 2:43:41
  So God is with us right now because we're talking about him.
• 2:43:43
  So yeah God is everywhere and God could be everywhere all over
• 2:43:47
  this Earth at the same time, you know?
• 2:43:51
  So yeah. Yep.
• 2:43:52
  Yep. All right, we're taking off.
• 2:43:55
  Yeah, I love you. Babe, if anybody has questions
• 2:44:00
  for me, I can answer but if not, it doesn't matter.
• 2:44:05
  Are you guys have a good night? Thanks.
• 2:44:07
  I look forward to doing this again.
• 2:44:10
  Will definitely give the babies for me.
• 2:44:15
  All right, bye guys, love you. I guess we could bring up the
• 2:44:20
  other philosophy. I was talking about looks like
• 2:44:23
  we're all on the same page and stuff like that.
• 2:44:25
  And what Nick is Nick is very smart with big words.
• 2:44:30
  You'll have to speak more in lame.
• 2:44:32
  Terms for me. All right, well I'll give you
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  the words and then I'll explain it not just for you but also for
• 2:44:39
  because some of my audience members that goes over their
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  head sometimes on things and I get it this this C is amount
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  theism as kind of an ancient. In theological view of
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  Christianity. Anyway, it's very rare.
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  So, I don't expect everybody to jump right on the bottom.
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  Yeah, yeah, I've never even heard of that before, to be
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  honest with you, it means that it basically means that not only
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  is the God, God the creator of all things, but he also has a
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  deal nature. Now, a lot of Christians already
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  believe that he's got a form of fuel nature and personality due
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  to some of them believing that Jesus actually is God.
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  And that God Has different minds and all this well deal nature
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  for me if you look into this see as member and I was was really
• 2:45:26
  want to talk to Nick about this as well but you know, I know
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  that he's a, he's doing his thing.
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  But here's the deal. It basically means that God is
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  capable of doing full-on love, but he can also do the full
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  Lauren spectrum of hate. He can do good and he can also
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  do what some would argue is evil.
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  And this is hard for some Christians hear that, because
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  they believe that God is just completely and utterly good.
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  But there is to deal Nature's. And I can actually show that
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  biblically. Yes, well, God is a God of
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  Justice. And God is love that.
• 2:46:06
  God is a God of Justice. Where if you do wrong, you're
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  going to have consequences to your actions.
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  That's how I would answer that, right?
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  But what would you do if you were, you realize one of the
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  biggest arguments, the biggest things that APS always bring up
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  as the problem of evil mouth, he is MM.
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  And this T is MM attempts to answer that question and a
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  theological level, and it's hard to do it.
• 2:46:32
  If you say that God is just 100%, always loved and then you
• 2:46:37
  go back to like looking at something that can't old and
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  talks about all the time, the flood you realize that whenever
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  the flood happened, It wasn't just the evil Wicked Bastards of
• 2:46:46
  the past that got drowned, but it was also pregnant women and
• 2:46:50
  babies and children and no one could actually argue that that's
• 2:46:55
  a logically loving act to do. And God does not even claim that
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  what he did to humanity was was good or under their moral
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  ethical obligation of love the. Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, I do. So.
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  So do you know that God knows our thoughts of our thoughts?
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  It's very hard to think about that one.
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  He knows our thoughts of our thoughts.
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  See God in the book of Jeremiah talks about that God knitted you
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  together in your mother's womb, God knows.
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  And is this also, there's another scripture in the Bible
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  that says, God knows, every single numbered hair on your
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  head. He knows the number of the hairs
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  on your head. God knows, you know, when you
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  look up into the Stars God knows.
• 2:47:41
  All the numbers of the stars in the sky and there's trillions of
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  trillions and billions of stars in the sky.
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  We don't know how many stars are in the sky, but God knows every
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  single God knows every single one.
• 2:47:54
  He knows the number of how many stars in sky.
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  So when I'm basically getting at by saying that is, God knows our
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  hearts. God also knows what we would
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  have chosen in the future. If we would have believed in
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  Timber or not. God knows, he knows everything.
• 2:48:14
  He knows our thoughts of our thoughts, he just knows our
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  life. He knows if we're going to
• 2:48:18
  choose him or not. He knows so in the Bible in the
• 2:48:23
  Book of Genesis, when it talks about Noah's flood, it says that
• 2:48:27
  the hearts of the people were continually Wicked.
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  The hearts work doesn't say the mind was, it doesn't say the
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  person was it says the heart was the hearts were continually
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  Wicked. And, and so that's why he
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  destroyed that world. It was, it was bad.
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  There was, there was it was full of corruption.
• 2:48:50
  There was not one good one. Now, he now, God saved, Noah and
• 2:48:53
  his family God saved. Noah's.
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  Noah Noah's sons and his wives on the boat.
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  Because he knew that he knew their hearts.
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  He knew that they believed in him.
• 2:49:03
  They were good but everybody else.
• 2:49:07
  God couldn't find one good one. It's like when we also talked
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  about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah with lot and there's
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  fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah in the city.
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  And the, I mean, same, same thing.
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  God couldn't find one. Perfect, one, I bought was
• 2:49:30
  saying to God. If I can find five people will
• 2:49:33
  you save the city? And he said, yeah, if you can
• 2:49:35
  find me five people, save the city will lock, couldn't find
• 2:49:38
  one person and so God sent an angel to lot to save his wife
• 2:49:45
  and his two daughters to get out of there.
• 2:49:47
  And then if you know the story, The Angels told lot and his
• 2:49:51
  family. Don't look behind you.
• 2:49:53
  Well Lot's wife looked behind and she turned into a pillar of
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  salt. But yeah, that's the story of
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  Sodom and Gomorrah with lot. So yeah, we're God fired Brent
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  fire and brimstone on that City. So so God, what I'm basically
• 2:50:08
  saying is God knows what we would have chosen.
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  In. So I guess it goes back to us
• 2:50:14
  having free will. But at the same time, God is
• 2:50:17
  all-knowing. So I guess it's kind of like
• 2:50:20
  that now. Yeah.
• 2:50:23
  God. Well isn't that isn't that the
• 2:50:25
  case of jewelry that no matter how many times whether God sets
• 2:50:29
  the world on fire or heat rounds, all of us sir our does
• 2:50:34
  entire hate to use the word, just full-on genocide, but the
• 2:50:39
  fact is according to the Bible, humans never really changed.
• 2:50:43
  We always when given enough time we just continue to repeat
• 2:50:46
  history and continue. The do evil.
• 2:50:49
  Yeah, that's the point though. He God knows that even if he
• 2:50:54
  drowns the world and let's say people live that eight people
• 2:50:58
  are going to end up going generation after generation just
• 2:51:01
  going right back into the same game.
• 2:51:03
  That's how the end of the world supposed to come.
• 2:51:06
  So why even do it at all? That would be the question.
• 2:51:08
  A lot of Skeptics would probably ask them and that's why I go
• 2:51:12
  with this deism because sometimes not every God doesn't
• 2:51:17
  God in the Bible when every blue Sodom Gomorrah with all the fire
• 2:51:21
  and brimstone. Whenever he I flooded the world
• 2:51:24
  he never said what I'm doing to you.
• 2:51:26
  Right now is an act of love. He said, I hate workers of
• 2:51:30
  iniquity. I hate the the heart of man and
• 2:51:33
  what he's doing and all this. So I believe that God is
• 2:51:36
  perfectly capable of love as well as the emotion and feeling
• 2:51:40
  of hate. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:51:43
  Well well yeah, it's just like, it's just like me with my kids.
• 2:51:47
  I love my kids but if they're doing wrong, I'm going to say,
• 2:51:49
  hey, you're going to have to suffer consequences.
• 2:51:52
  For your actions. You know, now you're grounded.
• 2:51:54
  You can't play video games. You got to go to your room now.
• 2:51:57
  Because you disobeyed Mom, right?
• 2:51:59
  And I still love my kids, but at the same time I'm going to
• 2:52:02
  discipline them. So, so I guess it kind of Falls
• 2:52:07
  like that, I guess. Well Julie, it's awesome that
• 2:52:10
  you and Nick, you seem to. It's like you both really,
• 2:52:14
  really try to absorb what I'm talking about and you don't get
• 2:52:17
  freaked out and you get where I'm coming from.
• 2:52:20
  A lot of religious, people can't do that.
• 2:52:22
  They're like what? What you're saying that God can
• 2:52:24
  hate God can God can destroy and do some kind of like dark act or
• 2:52:30
  something like that and I don't get it.
• 2:52:32
  Yeah, well, we can clearly see like in the land of Egypt, the
• 2:52:36
  firstborn were wiped out. Now, I know what you're saying.
• 2:52:39
  God knows what someone can grow up and be and all that.
• 2:52:43
  But, you know, as a mother that babies and young people, they
• 2:52:47
  don't have their Consciousness has and even developed yet, they
• 2:52:50
  don't even know what the concept of sin.
• 2:52:52
  In is at that point, right? So to take them out is you can
• 2:52:57
  argue and I don't ever hear religious people argue for this,
• 2:53:00
  but you could argue that maybe God took the children out to
• 2:53:05
  because there would be no parents around the evil parents
• 2:53:08
  weren't around to take care of the children.
• 2:53:10
  So besides them living miserably and dying slowly and horribly,
• 2:53:15
  God got rid of them quicker out of Mercy, there's not glad yeah,
• 2:53:19
  yeah, I mean, So God it we haven't we serve a god of
• 2:53:25
  forgiveness and we know that because he sent his son to die
• 2:53:29
  in sacrifice for us. So we do serve a god of
• 2:53:32
  forgiveness and a god of love. But you have to remember, God is
• 2:53:35
  our parent. God is our dad and he's gonna if
• 2:53:39
  we do wrong, he'll we have to suffer our action.
• 2:53:44
  We have to suffer. There's consequences to your
• 2:53:47
  actions, you know. So I right Julie and I fully
• 2:53:52
  acknowledge Knowledge. That the Bible's very
• 2:53:54
  descriptive on my the adults needed to go bye-bye.
• 2:53:58
  But the fact that the animals were wiped out as well animals
• 2:54:02
  that were not consciously committing, any kind of sin as
• 2:54:05
  well as children and babies, you know, I totally get it, you
• 2:54:09
  know, if someone's a wicked person and they're killing and
• 2:54:12
  hurting people and sending and they don't give a damn, they
• 2:54:15
  deserved to get whatever consequences God gives them.
• 2:54:18
  It's the baby thing though, the child, the innocent animals.
• 2:54:22
  So I Don't believe that babies go to hell.
• 2:54:27
  So when there's God loves children more than we could
• 2:54:32
  possibly wrap her mind around and know all babies, go to
• 2:54:36
  heaven. Not one baby goes.
• 2:54:38
  It goes to hell. There's, you know, there's
• 2:54:41
  abortion in this world today and there's people that lose their
• 2:54:44
  child from miscarriages or whatever.
• 2:54:46
  The case is, all babies are in heaven.
• 2:54:49
  All babies are in heaven. I don't believe for one second.
• 2:54:52
  That there is a A baby in hell, not for one second.
• 2:54:55
  Well, there is a there is some Bible passages that agree with
• 2:54:59
  you on that Julie King, David? Remember?
• 2:55:02
  He was screwing around and doing what he did in his, I believe it
• 2:55:05
  was his first born. Remember that one died.
• 2:55:08
  And supposedly, I believe it was either a profit of the voice of
• 2:55:12
  God told him. You'll see your baby one day and
• 2:55:15
  all that. So, I agree with you, on that.
• 2:55:18
  Yeah, we will see our loved ones in heaven.
• 2:55:20
  Yes, we will. Yes, we will, as long as, You
• 2:55:23
  know, they hope they believe but again, God knows the heart, so,
• 2:55:28
  you know, but but yeah, we all babies.
• 2:55:31
  Go to go to heaven. God does not send any babies to
• 2:55:35
  Hell. God loves children.
• 2:55:37
  And when there are men, or people that mess with kids.
• 2:55:42
  Oh, they are in a world of trouble.
• 2:55:44
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 2:55:46
  These are said, that would be better to time Milestone around
• 2:55:49
  your neck and jump into the sea and be lost forever.
• 2:55:52
  I don't know what. People like that can mislead my
• 2:55:55
  little ones. Hmm.
• 2:55:57
  I don't know what Kimpton Christian homes were thinking
• 2:56:00
  when they did, what they did. It's like one of the most
• 2:56:02
  foulest things that Jesus ever talks about.
• 2:56:05
  It's very bizarre to me and it blows my mind.
• 2:56:09
  How Kent hovind can defend, a man like that?
• 2:56:12
  It blows my mind. He's either hehe.
• 2:56:15
  There has serious well, I believe he has serious issues,
• 2:56:18
  but he has serious issues, or he's seriously in denial.
• 2:56:21
  I don't know, it's the, we're it rocks.
• 2:56:23
  My mind how he can defend a man like that.
• 2:56:29
  I agree with you, I agree. Oh goodness gracious.
• 2:56:33
  What Juliet, see what you and Nikolas are pretty cool.
• 2:56:36
  It's awesome to be able to have conversations with some
• 2:56:40
  Christians that try to actually listen and understand where
• 2:56:43
  somebody's coming from as opposed to go.
• 2:56:46
  Oh, I, I can't talk to you anymore.
• 2:56:48
  Your damn me will person for having thought?
• 2:56:51
  Well, I love the questions that you ask because it gets me
• 2:56:54
  thinking, it helps me grow. If I don't know, an answer to
• 2:56:58
  something, I'll Be honest and be like I don't know how to really
• 2:57:00
  answer that you know and but but it helps me grow and stuff.
• 2:57:06
  So I love that. I love Bible studies, I can't
• 2:57:08
  really seem to find anybody to. Well besides Cindy me and Cindy
• 2:57:12
  will sit down together and love to do Bible studies and stuff.
• 2:57:15
  But yeah a lot of people in this world today.
• 2:57:17
  They just, I don't know. It's really sad how this world
• 2:57:21
  is going. Have you ever heard a?
• 2:57:24
  I don't know if you have many of my videos, you've ever looked at
• 2:57:28
  but one of the Arguments that I put forth, totally knocks a lot
• 2:57:31
  of folks are in there on their bottom on this.
• 2:57:34
  But have you heard my scientific argument and why the universe is
• 2:57:39
  Supernatural? No, I haven't.
• 2:57:42
  Well, you interested in hearing it real quick.
• 2:57:44
  Go ahead. Okay.
• 2:57:47
  Now, you know what they claim it is, commonly believed by both
• 2:57:50
  atheists and a lot of religious people that the Big Bang
• 2:57:53
  happened the expanding Universe, right?
• 2:57:56
  Yes. You know that one of the Their
• 2:57:59
  major claims that the Universe started out as some little bitty
• 2:58:03
  thing on a pen needle? You probably heard that, right?
• 2:58:05
  Yes, if this is true, then this means that nature actually had a
• 2:58:10
  beginning as well and came into existence.
• 2:58:12
  We agree, right? Yes.
• 2:58:15
  So if that happened, that means that there was a point in
• 2:58:19
  existence where the laws of nature didn't exist because
• 2:58:22
  nature itself didn't exist. Are you following me?
• 2:58:25
  Still I believe. So yes, the very definition of
• 2:58:29
  Of Supernatural is something that is not dependent on the
• 2:58:33
  natural laws. Well, this universe is
• 2:58:36
  Supernatural by definition. Its origin that right there
• 2:58:40
  should open people's minds of the very concept of God.
• 2:58:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:58:51
  What do you think of that Jolie Wild?
• 2:58:55
  You ever get into an argument with non-believers or people who
• 2:58:59
  have issue with the big bang, just tell them that say there
• 2:59:02
  was no natural laws because there was no nature.
• 2:59:05
  So therefore by definition the universe and its origin is
• 2:59:09
  completely that this would mean that everything that exists
• 2:59:12
  within the universe is a miracle.
• 2:59:15
  Yes, it is. Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
• 2:59:18
  Yeah, everything. This a were Miracle.
• 2:59:21
  Do you know how amazing the Human body is designed, it is
• 2:59:27
  incredible. Just the human body alone.
• 2:59:30
  The way this, the digestive system, how the eye, how you can
• 2:59:34
  see with your eyes hear with your ears, the way how we can
• 2:59:37
  think with our brain, it is just phenomenal and there's no way
• 2:59:43
  that we could have evolved into this the way that we are as
• 2:59:48
  humans. It's absolutely phenomenal.
• 2:59:50
  So, and that's just the body. I didn't even talk about the
• 2:59:52
  trees or the nature yet or anything else.
• 2:59:54
  So yeah, God has his whole hand on this place and on this whole
• 2:59:59
  world and and you know that we can see God through his
• 3:00:03
  invisible attributes. When you look at a tree, you can
• 3:00:08
  see God in a tree. You can see God in the bird, you
• 3:00:11
  can see God in the skies of the blue skies, the Sun, the moon us
• 3:00:15
  dogs cats, it doesn't matter, God is everything and
• 3:00:18
  everywhere, God is the glue that holds everything together.
• 3:00:22
  There is no possible, physical way for this world and for us as
• 3:00:26
  humans to be here on this Earth today without God creating it.
• 3:00:30
  It's impossible because who created the speck of dust for it
• 3:00:37
  to explode into a slime, something into something else
• 3:00:42
  that evolves into, whatever that we are today.
• 3:00:46
  That doesn't no way not with how our heart works and functions
• 3:00:51
  not the way. How we know how to breathe talk?
• 3:00:54
  Think it's amazing. I don't know how people aren't
• 3:00:58
  able to see God just through nature and how our bodies
• 3:01:02
  function alone. You know, I was debating an
• 3:01:06
  atheist. I'd say probably a couple months
• 3:01:09
  ago on my show and the atheist ask me, how can you believe
• 3:01:13
  that? There was a guy dead in a cave
• 3:01:15
  or a tomb? For three days and managed to
• 3:01:18
  get up and I said you find that unusual and he goes, yeah, of
• 3:01:22
  course, it doesn't happen. And I said yeah, but you're an
• 3:01:24
  atheist. You believe that every life form
• 3:01:26
  came from nothing, it's practically defined as dead and
• 3:01:30
  then became life. That's what you believe.
• 3:01:33
  You believe. Billions of times.
• 3:01:35
  That happened is where I believe one guy came into existence due
• 3:01:38
  to God being dependent on it. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:01:43
  It's really I think it's harder to believe and being an atheist.
• 3:01:49
  Then it is just to believe God. I think it's way harder to
• 3:01:54
  believe that there's no God, because it doesn't explain how
• 3:01:57
  else things are here and how it got here. well scientifically,
• 3:02:02
  Julie, and that's usually where I like to argue with
• 3:02:04
  non-believers because they seem to respond to this, but
• 3:02:09
  Scientifically. It's always been shown that
• 3:02:11
  anything that comes into life. Anything that is sentient or or
• 3:02:16
  is defined as living has always come from a parent that was
• 3:02:20
  alive. Nothing in nature is ever been
• 3:02:24
  observed to just coming into existence without help of
• 3:02:27
  another life form? Even if someone goes into a lab
• 3:02:31
  and manages a splicing genes together and then it can be
• 3:02:34
  defined as life. It still required a mind to do
• 3:02:37
  it. Does that make sense?
• 3:02:38
  Yeah, yeah, does. And see, it's not hard for me to
• 3:02:41
  believe that God created things already mature.
• 3:02:46
  So so when God created this world and created a tree, I
• 3:02:51
  don't believe that God created a baby tree.
• 3:02:52
  I believe that God already created a full-grown.
• 3:02:56
  Mature tree us humans when God created Adam, I don't believe
• 3:03:01
  that God created a little baby. I believe God created a fully
• 3:03:05
  grown adult already mature that can walk talk.
• 3:03:08
  Fox beak, do everything that we do today, you know, and a lot of
• 3:03:13
  people look into the biology and they see like, like the ages, or
• 3:03:18
  whatever. Like, this rock is here for
• 3:03:20
  millions of years, because of the DNA or something inside of
• 3:03:24
  it, that's giving them numbers and reasons to why it's there so
• 3:03:27
  long. Well, well, I understand that
• 3:03:29
  The Rock looks like it's been there for millions of years, but
• 3:03:33
  why is it impossible for God to create something that's already
• 3:03:38
  pre? Adult premature and then it
• 3:03:42
  started and then as God created a full-grown adult or a
• 3:03:45
  full-grown bird or something and then God designed the bird or
• 3:03:49
  the human already to have a reproductive system.
• 3:03:53
  So then it starts making babies at that point so I believe.
• 3:03:59
  Yeah I don't that's why I'm saying it's way harder I believe
• 3:04:03
  it's way harder to be an atheist than it is just to believe in
• 3:04:08
  God. Because how else do you answer
• 3:04:09
  these things? You know, my answer is God,
• 3:04:12
  their answer is, I don't know, I can't believe in their answer
• 3:04:16
  because that's hard to believe in.
• 3:04:18
  Well it's not just that Julian you made a good point, you know,
• 3:04:22
  they claim that they believe this is their theory that we
• 3:04:25
  come from a self-replicating cell.
• 3:04:28
  That the first thing was a cell that man is to replicate itself,
• 3:04:32
  but you have to ask, I don't know why they talk about it as
• 3:04:36
  though, it's some kind of waffle and panic a cute.
• 3:04:38
  In the oven and while I here you go.
• 3:04:41
  But the thing is, is you have to ask them, how did the cell
• 3:04:46
  becomes self-replicating? Where is the mechanism that made
• 3:04:49
  it to where it could print out. Another version of itself,
• 3:04:53
  they'll say well, pressure and mutations.
• 3:04:55
  If you want to get them in an argument really quick to say,
• 3:04:58
  oh, is that so what is the name of that mutation?
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  What is the name of the mechanic that you speak of and what time
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  period in human history? You're in life period.
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  Do you know of this actually happening and real quick?
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  The Atheist will suddenly say, oh I'm not a scientist.
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  I'm not a biologist and they basically tuck your tail and
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  roll. Well, yeah, yeah.
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  But not only that. How did it get there?
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  That would be my question to them.
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  How in the world did that get there?
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  From where from what, you know? And, and so that's what I would
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  ask them. How did that get there?
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  And then they sold came from this?
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  Okay. Well, how did that get there?
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  Oh well, came from this, okay. Well, how did that and how far
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  do you want to take that? You know.
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  So that's why there is a Bible verse that says that you can see
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  God through his invisible attributes.
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  There's no other way for All these things you know this whole
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  everything's made out of protons and electrons and atoms and well
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  God is the glue binding to all of that you know and if people
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  don't see that I pray for them and I pray for them that one day
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  they will and I pray for God to show them reveal himself to
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  them. So that's what I always pray for
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  them. I say God these people don't
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  know you they don't know who you are.
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  Our please reveal yourself to them so they can see you.
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  They can see what I see, you know.
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  So that's and then because when it gets to that point, you just
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  pray for them because it gets, you know, can only say so much
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  without because some atheists, they are super strong and hard
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  core in their belief, which is evolution.
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  So, you know, one thing I've discovered, When Heaven
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  discussions with them about this and it's one of the reasons why
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  they've got Hold the lot of these debates they arrogantly
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  and pridefully act as if they know and understand the concept
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  of evolution but a lot of them believe it or not, Julie they
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  don't I did the an atheist thing for many years and I spent time
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  talking to all non-believers and private.
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  It's one of the reasons why they don't like to debate me because
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  I know all the vulnerabilities. I already have an answer for a
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  lot of their big questions so they don't even like to approach
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  me because they know, No, I'll take them for a ride and less
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  than 5 minutes. Yeah, yeah it's really and you
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  know, some of I see that Nick is really, really good at debating
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  atheist and stuff because Nick is really smart with the
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  terminology and the lingo, they use, and the word wording that
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  they use. I'm not as smart as Nick is.
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  When it comes to science and things Nick actually studied
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  aeronautical science. Nick is really really smart.
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  I mean if you get a chance one day to just pick out his brain
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  do that because it's really phenomenal.
• 3:08:00
  All the things he comes up with. And not only that designs, Nick
• 3:08:03
  has a book full of designs to invent.
• 3:08:08
  Make Nick's dream was always, to become an inventor.
• 3:08:12
  And when you look at his inventing book, the things that
• 3:08:16
  he came up with to make and invent.
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  Oh my gosh. I'll be like, how did you come
• 3:08:19
  up with these Amazing Ideas? Like it's phenomenal.
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  Yeah, if you ever get a chance or any viewers out there, if you
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  want to reach out to Nick, please do and pick out his
• 3:08:28
  brain. It's he's really, he really does
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  have have an intelligent mind. It's why it's amazing.
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  I'm not as smart as him. So when I, if I would ever do it
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  a debate with creation and evolution, I don't think I would
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  do. I could hold myself pretty well,
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  but I would be using lame terminology because I don't know
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  those big words that they do use nor do I understand them.
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  And I can't hold up as well as Nick Cannon because I just don't
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  have the brain for it. I guess he's very sciency smart,
• 3:08:59
  if you catch my drift, If you're kind of you kind of hard on
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  yourself on this Julie from talking to you, you seem like a
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  very down-to-earth Common Sense type of person, that's all you
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  required to do. If you're if you run into a
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  non-believer and they start spouting off pressures and
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  variables in the environment and all that just simply holding the
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  task. See what bearable?
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  I thought this happened billions of years ago.
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  Do you have a time machine? How did you know that?
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  What mutation? What is this mutation that?
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  You Peak of that changes the body in such a way you'll
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  discover the use the word, mutation and mechanics and all
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  this as a magic word to substitute, for God every single
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  time. And if you keep that in mind,
• 3:09:43
  when you're talking to them, when they say the word they
• 3:09:46
  evolve door there was a mutation or a variable in the environment
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  to Simply say, okay, what was the name of it?
• 3:09:53
  What was happening during this time and within 5 minutes,
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  you'll have them jacked up? Yeah, I'll definitely do.
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  At all of them. I'll keep that in mind.
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  So if I ever debate somebody, I'll keep that in mind to do.
• 3:10:05
  Yeah. And and yeah, I really Nick
• 3:10:09
  would be so good at coming up with the channel to just talk
• 3:10:13
  about creation science. Like, he is so good at it, it's
• 3:10:17
  really neat. Well Julie, if you guys decide
• 3:10:21
  that you want to both start together or do your separate
• 3:10:24
  channels, I would be more than happy.
• 3:10:28
  A lot of people that come to me and then email me and say he
• 3:10:31
  brought, you know, then he topics I can talk about or
• 3:10:34
  something that you think would, you know, get people having a
• 3:10:38
  discussion or whatever if you ever need any kind of
• 3:10:41
  suggestions, you and Nick are and what some things are that
• 3:10:44
  would be a good discussion to do.
• 3:10:46
  I can send you like Topic at the topic at the topic that I
• 3:10:51
  guarantee. It gets you into good
• 3:10:52
  discussions. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 3:10:54
  You come up with really deep neat.
• 3:10:57
  Discussions are in questions that you come up with really
• 3:11:00
  neat. My me and my friend Jessica do
• 3:11:03
  this where we actually do Bible study together and we'll the
• 3:11:07
  kind of dig deep in the Bible and talk about wild things, he's
• 3:11:11
  got same type of questions. You ask, you know, and it's
• 3:11:15
  cool. And I love it because it helps
• 3:11:16
  me. Learn it helps me grow.
• 3:11:18
  I get to get a different perspective on things and I also
• 3:11:23
  get to learn how other people think, so, and that's good for
• 3:11:26
  me to know so I can help them. Unlike if they think a certain
• 3:11:29
  way I learned how their belief is or thought processes.
• 3:11:33
  So now I have a better answer to give to them that can relate to,
• 3:11:37
  you know, whatever they're saying or thinking.
• 3:11:40
  So yeah, I like to be well-rounded basically what I'm
• 3:11:44
  saying. I like to be well-rounded with
• 3:11:46
  all things and know all things. You know, Brandon do a lot of
• 3:11:51
  Christians who pop into the show every once in awhile and they
• 3:11:54
  say, well I'm shy, I don't know if I should make a video or I
• 3:11:58
  shouldn't do this or, you know, there's other people out there
• 3:12:01
  that they think are better at it.
• 3:12:02
  And all that I wish people would stop thinking that way.
• 3:12:05
  Everybody's got their own gifts, everybody's got their own tool
• 3:12:09
  just because someone isn't like some super popular preacher,
• 3:12:12
  doesn't mean that you won't say something.
• 3:12:14
  And reach at least one person during a show.
• 3:12:18
  I can't tell you how many times Times of received stuff on
• 3:12:20
  Facebook where people said Brett.
• 3:12:22
  I never even thought of that before.
• 3:12:24
  And now it makes so much sense and everything and you end up
• 3:12:28
  getting even if they are not fully on board with the Bible,
• 3:12:32
  they at least open their mind and accepted that.
• 3:12:34
  There's a God and that it is a rational position.
• 3:12:37
  So think about that Julie. That might be what the whole
• 3:12:41
  point of all this negativity, as well as positive things in your
• 3:12:44
  life. Had none of this happened, you
• 3:12:47
  wouldn't have never met me. Cindy would Never met me.
• 3:12:50
  All of this is in good timing. Maybe it's your time for you and
• 3:12:54
  Nikolas to shine and make videos and Reach people.
• 3:12:58
  So definitely keep that in mind. Thank you.
• 3:13:00
  I do. I'm going to be honest, I do
• 3:13:02
  have a little bit of a fear of you know, the drama right now
• 3:13:07
  the doctor Joven thing and I'm I would feel more comfortable and
• 3:13:12
  wait for that all to settle down.
• 3:13:15
  I can just visualize it right now.
• 3:13:16
  Like if I come out Nick come out with Our own creation science
• 3:13:20
  thing. We just talked about that only
• 3:13:22
  not even with anybody else. I could just see the comment
• 3:13:24
  section saying you're that girl, that the LOL.
• 3:13:27
  So, you know, I mean, why don't you start out making videos,
• 3:13:32
  where you just simply introduce yourself.
• 3:13:34
  Say I'm Julie, I'm a mother, I have children.
• 3:13:37
  I have a pet dog or cat or whatever it is.
• 3:13:40
  You got over there and just talk about yourselves for a little
• 3:13:44
  bit and what it's like for you whenever you see the things that
• 3:13:48
  go on in the World on the news. Don't go that direction.
• 3:13:52
  Correct. Don't even mention it.
• 3:13:54
  Yeah. Correct.
• 3:13:54
  And I wouldn't and we wouldn't. Yeah, we would not, in fact, to
• 3:13:57
  be honest with you. If drama stuff does start out
• 3:14:00
  actually, ignore it, not even respond to that.
• 3:14:04
  What you could do, I didn't tell Nikolas that.
• 3:14:07
  So I should have probably told him, but if you go into the
• 3:14:10
  settings on your YouTube channel, there's a thing called
• 3:14:14
  in the community section. There's a thing called The Black
• 3:14:17
  List and you can add words to it and if anybody trips that word,
• 3:14:22
  it will put them in a comment review where no other people
• 3:14:25
  will see it. So the here's a suggestion for
• 3:14:28
  you, you don't want to deal with the Kent issue, then type
• 3:14:31
  control pins Into The Blacklist every time.
• 3:14:33
  One mentions his name, it will immediately go into the hidden
• 3:14:39
  box where other people don't see it and you can decide whether
• 3:14:42
  you want to leave that up or do you want to respond to it?
• 3:14:46
  That way, you don't have to deal with bullshit anymore, that's
• 3:14:49
  very cool. I really love how the way how
• 3:14:51
  YouTube is designed to keep people safe and to help people
• 3:14:57
  get rid of other people that want to intrude, would be the
• 3:15:02
  perfect word I guess. No.
• 3:15:03
  I mean into other people's matters is, I don't know.
• 3:15:06
  I just think YouTube is really a neat platform where it works a
• 3:15:09
  way to get everyone together. Everyone has a freedom to talk
• 3:15:13
  about whatever topic they want to choose to talk about.
• 3:15:16
  And then you can exclude people and kick people out of your
• 3:15:18
  group if needed. And I think that's a really neat
• 3:15:20
  platform, whoever designed YouTube is really smart and
• 3:15:24
  genius, you know, with how it's designed.
• 3:15:27
  So there's some people who will maybe make videos about you
• 3:15:31
  later though. If you get, I know, Popular were
• 3:15:34
  those say, oh she doesn't allow, you know me to have my freedom
• 3:15:38
  of speech, it's a private company.
• 3:15:41
  You're allowed to do whatever you want with your channel.
• 3:15:44
  Don't ever let someone take advantage of manipulating you
• 3:15:47
  into talking about shit that you rather pass on who are these
• 3:15:51
  people anyway, just tell people look when you start paying my
• 3:15:54
  fucking bills then we'll talk about what you about.
• 3:15:57
  This is my channel. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 3:16:00
  Well I'll definitely keep that in mind.
• 3:16:02
  I'll definitely keep that inside.
• 3:16:03
  Thought. Yeah.
• 3:16:06
  Cuz You know, we love talking about the word and we love
• 3:16:11
  sharing that with people. And so yeah, I'll definitely
• 3:16:14
  keep it in mind. Maybe one day we will see.
• 3:16:17
  Well, there you go. Yeah, thank you so much.
• 3:16:20
  You make a video. Julie were you say, these are
• 3:16:23
  three of my favorite passages in the whole world.
• 3:16:26
  And this is why. And then spend time, just write
• 3:16:30
  down your, your top three things, and then have a
• 3:16:33
  discussion about it and share your view.
• 3:16:35
  It may be a five-minute vote. Video could be 15 minute video,
• 3:16:39
  just put it out there, don't ya? Don't worry about the whole Kent
• 3:16:43
  thing and remember also Julie I get your logic and Nicholas you
• 3:16:47
  like I just want to wait until things.
• 3:16:49
  Cool down Julie things. Don't calm down.
• 3:16:52
  The internet never forgets. Yeah, that's true.
• 3:16:55
  Never comes down. You just gotta jump into the
• 3:16:58
  deep water and swim. That's the way it works.
• 3:17:01
  If you don't want Stress and Anxiety, don't even bother at
• 3:17:04
  all. But if you think that, you have
• 3:17:06
  a gift where You can reach out to some people.
• 3:17:09
  You won't be able to save them all Superman.
• 3:17:10
  Can't save them all. Yeah, do it.
• 3:17:14
  Make it happen. Yeah, I call it the YouTube
• 3:17:16
  world so we'll see if God leads us into the YouTube world.
• 3:17:22
  We will see, and we'll pray on it and see where God guides us
• 3:17:27
  one other thing to Julie, you want to hear a magic trick.
• 3:17:30
  Sure. If you start making videos and
• 3:17:34
  things start getting irritating, like the Comments are annoying.
• 3:17:38
  Are you feel like people are not a, not gravitating towards it.
• 3:17:43
  There's a cool magic trick that you can do.
• 3:17:45
  You can turn your computer off for a couple days and all those
• 3:17:48
  people in the world of YouTube ceases to exist.
• 3:17:52
  That is awesome. Oh, that is so funny.
• 3:17:56
  I love it. I absolutely love that.
• 3:18:00
  That is so great. I will definitely keep that in
• 3:18:02
  mind because I may need that in the future.
• 3:18:06
  Call it the virtual Rapture if you want I love it.
• 3:18:10
  That's fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.
• 3:18:14
  That's great. Well you want to get out of here
• 3:18:17
  Julia? Yeah yeah.
• 3:18:19
  Well thank you so much. I really appreciate your time
• 3:18:22
  and thank you for hearing us out and inviting us onto your show.
• 3:18:26
  Thank you so much and I just want to thank everybody all the
• 3:18:31
  viewers and I'm going to be praying for everybody.
• 3:18:34
  And I hope that this was a a good thing to help people get
• 3:18:40
  led to the Lord. I know the beginning was drama
• 3:18:44
  and I really hope that doesn't turn a lot of people off, but
• 3:18:49
  but yeah, I love everybody. And I, thank you very much for
• 3:18:52
  having us on your show. You called Joey and enjoyed
• 3:18:56
  having you Nicholas up. And I really think that you two
• 3:19:00
  could be very powerful instruments of God.
• 3:19:02
  Don't wait till the last minute. Get on it.
• 3:19:05
  Whenever you can. Yeah, I'll pray about, I'll see
• 3:19:07
  where the Lord leads us into the YouTube world.
• 3:19:12
  Alright, thank you so much for your time.
• 3:19:15
  See you later. Thank you.
• 3:19:16
  Thank you. You too, bye.