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- 0:00Speaker 1: I think they're going to trade Murphy at some point.
- 0:02Speaker 1: I think they were going to want the financial flexibility
- 0:04Speaker 1: to go other places. They've again, they've got so much
- 0:06Speaker 1: long term money locked up, they need some flexibility somewhere.
- 0:13Speaker 2: Steven Tolbert joining us right now on FT, one of
- 0:16Speaker 2: the star hosts of Hammer Territory, the most downloaded podcast
- 0:21Speaker 2: for Atlanta Braves coverage. Stephen. Great to have you on,
- 0:24Speaker 2: and a lot of news to cover with this ball club,
- 0:27Speaker 2: and it's not great news. So let's start at the top.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Soon after our show ended, we found out yesterday that
- 0:33Speaker 2: Spencer Schmellenbach is going to be down for significant time
- 0:35Speaker 2: with the fractured elbow. What else can you tell us
- 0:38Speaker 2: about how long he might potentially miss, what it came from,
- 0:42Speaker 2: and the impact for the Braves going forward.
- 0:46Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up, guys? So Spencer today, he did a
- 0:51Speaker 1: press conference right after the announcement. Obviously reporters had a
- 0:54Speaker 1: bunch of questions, and essentially what they told him was
- 0:57Speaker 1: it was a fracture in his elbow that they don't
- 0:59Speaker 1: really know the cause. The term they used was freak injury,
- 1:03Speaker 1: which is pretty on brand for how the Brave season
- 1:05Speaker 1: has gone. And his timeline was he's pretty vague about it.
- 1:10Speaker 1: He said, you know, it's a broken bone, and it's
- 1:13Speaker 1: just you know how it feels, how quickly it heals.
- 1:16Speaker 1: The general consensus was about four to six weeks, so
- 1:20Speaker 1: you know at this point in the calendar, that's I mean,
- 1:24Speaker 1: we talked about it on the show last night. It's
- 1:26Speaker 1: it might not be the final nail for the Brave season,
- 1:28Speaker 1: but if it's not the final nail, it's the second
- 1:31Speaker 1: to last nail because it's it's getting late early in Atlanta.
- 1:35Speaker 3: Some of the things people were saying about Spencer Schwellenbach
- 1:38Speaker 3: was whoa, you know, he kind of had a little
- 1:40Speaker 3: bit of a downturn, but then his velocity jumped up,
- 1:44Speaker 3: and Spencer Schwellenbach said, well, I think it actually attributed
- 1:49Speaker 3: to my broken elbow. So do you want Spencer Swellbach
- 1:53Speaker 3: when he comes back young starter, somebody that's like coming up?
- 1:57Speaker 3: You also see Spencer Stryder. All they're worried about is
- 2:01Speaker 3: that velocity. Everybody's superjuiced about that velocity and now you
- 2:05Speaker 3: lost them. Do you want him coming back and learning
- 2:08Speaker 3: to pitch more or are you like, you know what,
- 2:10Speaker 3: it didn't work? Out when his velocity was down. I
- 2:13Speaker 3: want that velocity. Screw it, we'll see what happens.
- 2:18Speaker 1: Well, the thing with Schwellenbach is the velocity was relatively new.
- 2:21Speaker 1: I mean it was really in the last month that
- 2:23Speaker 1: he was throwing ninety eight, ninety nine, even one hundred
- 2:27Speaker 1: at times. And he was good last year when he
- 2:30Speaker 1: pitched at ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight. So like,
- 2:33Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know every team in baseball
- 2:36Speaker 1: chases velocity. The Braves, aren't you know, They're not the
- 2:39Speaker 1: only ones who go after starters with high velocity. And listen,
- 2:44Speaker 1: if it was an elbow injury, a shoulder injury, this
- 2:47Speaker 1: is a broken bone. Even the doctors really couldn't verify that.
- 2:50Speaker 1: That's why it happened. It was more of a Spencer
- 2:53Speaker 1: that was. They asked Spencer his opinion and he kind
- 2:55Speaker 1: of just that was kind of his best guess was
- 2:57Speaker 1: maybe the velocity had something to do it. It's a
- 2:59Speaker 1: very weard injury for like a non contact broken bone.
- 3:04Speaker 1: So yeah, again, the doctors use the term freak injury.
- 3:07Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, I have no idea, but it
- 3:09Speaker 1: was I mean, again, it's just very on brand for
- 3:11Speaker 1: how the Brave season is gone.
- 3:16Speaker 2: So let's push going forward here with the rotation, and
- 3:20Speaker 2: then I want to get to the position players in
- 3:22Speaker 2: your tweet about Marcel Azuna. But where are we at
- 3:25Speaker 2: with the rotation and the chances of this team potentially
- 3:29Speaker 2: still buying around the trade deadline if they keep themselves
- 3:33Speaker 2: more to a four to five game deficit in a
- 3:37Speaker 2: wild card spot. I know alex Anthopolis is super competitive.
- 3:41Speaker 2: There is still a good core of position players here.
- 3:45Speaker 2: I think most of the starters are going to come
- 3:47Speaker 2: back at some point later this season. Where are you at?
- 3:50Speaker 2: Because if they choose the other side selling, I was
- 3:54Speaker 2: on Fair Territory an hour ago with Ken Rosenthal and
- 3:57Speaker 2: he doesn't see them selling any guys that are on
- 3:59Speaker 2: contract for next season. So are they gonna do nothing
- 4:03Speaker 2: or are they gonna buy a little bit?
- 4:06Speaker 1: So it's important to note that alex Antopolis, the Braves
- 4:09Speaker 1: president of Baseball Ops, did a radio interview about two
- 4:12Speaker 1: weeks ago. This was before the Sail injury and obviously
- 4:14Speaker 1: before the Schwellenbach injury, and he pretty, I mean, he
- 4:17Speaker 1: pretty emphatically said they're not selling, and they're certainly not
- 4:20Speaker 1: selling anybody that's got more than you know, one year
- 4:23Speaker 1: of team control, which is basically the entire roster. I mean,
- 4:26Speaker 1: the only notable guy that doesn't have team control after
- 4:28Speaker 1: this season is Marcel Luzuna, who's got his own injury
- 4:32Speaker 1: problems because he's had a hip thing for like two
- 4:33Speaker 1: months and his production has just fallen off a cliff.
- 4:37Speaker 1: So even if the Braves got to the point where
- 4:39Speaker 1: they were going to sell, which let's be honest, I
- 4:41Speaker 1: mean they're they're as close as they've been in a
- 4:43Speaker 1: long time, there's not much to sell. You know, I
- 4:46Speaker 1: saw stuff about Acunya. They're not trading Acunya, and they're
- 4:48Speaker 1: not I mean, they're not trading anybody that's got they
- 4:51Speaker 1: want to compete next year, and you know, all of
- 4:53Speaker 1: these guys, Saale Schwellenbach, Ronald Lopez, they're all scheduled to
- 4:57Speaker 1: come back this year, so it's not like these are
- 4:59Speaker 1: eighteen month in injuries that affect twenty twenty six as well.
- 5:03Speaker 1: So you know, you can bind wanting to compete next year,
- 5:06Speaker 1: you can bind not really having a lot to sell
- 5:08Speaker 1: this year. My guess is they stand pat they might
- 5:11Speaker 1: buy a little something just to see if they can,
- 5:14Speaker 1: you know, spark a rally and maybe get some of
- 5:16Speaker 1: these guys back in late August and then make a push.
- 5:20Speaker 1: But you know, a realistic outlook of the team says
- 5:23Speaker 1: this is probably not their year. There's not much to sell.
- 5:26Speaker 1: My guess is they do a little bit. You know,
- 5:28Speaker 1: maybe maybe trade Ozuna if he gets hot, but I
- 5:31Speaker 1: wouldn't expect this team to do much at the trade deadline,
- 5:33Speaker 1: to be honest, does.
- 5:35Speaker 3: That make Atlanta Braves fans feel good or bad? Because
- 5:39Speaker 3: it's you're hoping now, you're hoping this team comes back
- 5:43Speaker 3: to this almost unrealistic level that they were in twenty
- 5:47Speaker 3: twenty three when they were the greatest offense ever. Do
- 5:51Speaker 3: Atlanta Brais feel Atlanta Braids fans feel like the team
- 5:55Speaker 3: is a little stagnant and mixing it up a little
- 5:58Speaker 3: bit would help.
- 6:00Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, one the thing about
- 6:04Speaker 1: contract extensions is that they're great if they work, and if
- 6:07Speaker 1: they don't work, then you're stuck. And right now, the
- 6:09Speaker 1: Braves are somewhere in between it working and it not working.
- 6:13Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you have to zoom out. The
- 6:15Speaker 1: Braves have made the playoffs for seven straight years, so like,
- 6:18Speaker 1: I don't want to get crazy with this. They're still
- 6:20Speaker 1: a very good organization, but the last couple of years,
- 6:23Speaker 1: especially on the position player side, it hasn't worked, and
- 6:27Speaker 1: they've dealt with a lot of injuries, and so now
- 6:29Speaker 1: you're in a situation where do you run it back
- 6:32Speaker 1: with the same group, because you kind of have to.
- 6:34Speaker 1: I mean, Marcelo Zunna is the only kind of big
- 6:36Speaker 1: name guy that's not gonna be around next year. Technically
- 6:40Speaker 1: Ozzie Albi's could They could move on from Ozzy. He's
- 6:44Speaker 1: the guaranteed portion of his contract is up after this year,
- 6:47Speaker 1: so they could do something at second base if they
- 6:49Speaker 1: wanted to switch it up. They can always find a
- 6:50Speaker 1: short stop. They haven't had a real short stop since
- 6:52Speaker 1: Dansby left. You know. Profar just came back from the
- 6:56Speaker 1: PD suspension, So we're gonna see what this offense looks like.
- 7:00Speaker 1: They've only played one game with him, or at least
- 7:02Speaker 1: one game since April, and they scored seven runs last night,
- 7:05Speaker 1: so they're gonna see what he looks like, what the
- 7:06Speaker 1: offense looks like with him in the lineup, and then
- 7:10Speaker 1: we'll see with the rotation. I mean, all the rotation
- 7:12Speaker 1: guys are under contract for next year. So yes, to
- 7:16Speaker 1: answer your question, Brace fans do want a change. It's
- 7:18Speaker 1: definitely gotten stagnant. But the contract extensions they've handed out,
- 7:22Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, they put the team in a little
- 7:25Speaker 1: bit of a box, like, unless you're okay moving these guys,
- 7:27Speaker 1: and Alex has shown zero indication that's true, then you
- 7:32Speaker 1: can only kind of manage the roster around the edges.
- 7:34Speaker 1: The core pieces are pretty much set.
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- 8:40Speaker 5: I want to go back to what you said about Ozuna.
- 8:42Speaker 5: How do you have a hip torn for this June third?
- 8:44Speaker 5: And whose fault is that that he's playing it Ozuna's fault?
- 8:47Speaker 5: Is it the training staff's fault? Like they haven't get
- 8:50Speaker 5: I don't think they've given him a day off, have they?
- 8:52Speaker 5: And he has this is no power, I mean, that's
- 8:54Speaker 5: my question is who is this on? Is this on
- 8:56Speaker 5: Ozuna saying I want to play every day? Or where
- 8:59Speaker 5: is the We're snitt and I love Snitt saying hey man,
- 9:02Speaker 5: we need to give you a day or two to
- 9:04Speaker 5: manage this thing.
- 9:06Speaker 1: This may be the most frustrating part for Braise fans
- 9:08Speaker 1: right now. He's like, like there is no team set up.
- 9:11Speaker 1: Better to have your DH take a couple of weeks
- 9:16Speaker 1: off than the Braves because they have Sean Murphy and
- 9:18Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin who both play catcher and one can catch it,
- 9:22Speaker 1: one could DH and Azuna could just take a couple
- 9:24Speaker 1: of weeks. And what they've said publicly is that it's
- 9:27Speaker 1: a type of injury where one il stin is not
- 9:30Speaker 1: going to fix it. It's only going to be fixed
- 9:32Speaker 1: with surgery in the offseason. The problem with that logic
- 9:35Speaker 1: is he's been awful for like two months and he's
- 9:37Speaker 1: tanked any trade value he has. He's been you know,
- 9:40Speaker 1: he sits in the middle of that lineup. He's got
- 9:42Speaker 1: like a six hundred ohps over the last two months. Like, Okay,
- 9:46Speaker 1: you don't want to put him on the IL, but like,
- 9:48Speaker 1: give the guy a day off. I mean, that's the
- 9:50Speaker 1: part that I can't figure out, Like, why not at
- 9:52Speaker 1: least give him a day or two. Again, you have Baldwin,
- 9:56Speaker 1: you have Murphy, who've been two of the best hitters
- 9:57Speaker 1: on the team that can cover DH for a couple days. Yeah, Age,
- 10:01Speaker 1: I'm with you. That's the one I can't figure out,
- 10:05Speaker 1: and really no one can figure out. And they've they've
- 10:07Speaker 1: been very kind of cryptic with this injury to begin with.
- 10:09Speaker 1: They just kind of randomly released it one day and
- 10:12Speaker 1: have said nothing else about it, and no one on
- 10:15Speaker 1: this side can make sense of what's going on with
- 10:17Speaker 1: the Zuno.
- 10:18Speaker 5: Well, first of all, with the Braves, do you think
- 10:20Speaker 5: want to bring him back? Regardless? And then then I
- 10:22Speaker 5: want to ask you about the catching situation.
- 10:25Speaker 1: No, I don't think they'll bring up. The Braves need
- 10:28Speaker 1: to inject something new into this core because it's gotten stagnant.
- 10:33Speaker 1: The problem is they don't have a lot of positions
- 10:34Speaker 1: where they can do that because they've signed so many
- 10:36Speaker 1: long term extensions. D H and Second Base are basically
- 10:39Speaker 1: the only two spots where they can kind of try
- 10:41Speaker 1: to inject some new energy, new life, new blood. So
- 10:45Speaker 1: I don't think they'll bring a Zuna back. He's also
- 10:47Speaker 1: thirty five. He's you know, if you look at Marcel,
- 10:50Speaker 1: he's not like, it doesn't look like a good thirty five,
- 10:54Speaker 1: Like he's kind of round, like, you know, it looks
- 10:57Speaker 1: like he might be aging pretty quickly. Here in the
- 10:59Speaker 1: hips is not gonna help that. So my guess is
- 11:03Speaker 1: they don't bring him back. You know, he might get
- 11:05Speaker 1: traded at the deadline, but again, he's been so bad
- 11:06Speaker 1: for two months. I don't know who's gonna want a
- 11:08Speaker 1: thirty five DH who hasn't hit in two months. So No,
- 11:11Speaker 1: to answer your question, I don't think they'll bring Marcel
- 11:13Speaker 1: back next year.
- 11:15Speaker 3: Round.
- 11:15Speaker 5: You said round, by the way, which is great.
- 11:18Speaker 1: He's I mean he's round.
- 11:21Speaker 5: I mean he can still hit when healthy, though, so
- 11:23Speaker 5: let's see hit when he's healthy. I mean he can
- 11:26Speaker 5: still be as strong as strong as I'll get out too.
- 11:28Speaker 5: But let's go to that. You mentioned Murphy and Drake Baldwin.
- 11:31Speaker 5: Now Murphy signed the long term extension. Then Drake Baldwin
- 11:34Speaker 5: comes up and he's kind of taken a lot of
- 11:36Speaker 5: his playing time away because he's been so good as
- 11:39Speaker 5: a rookie.
- 11:40Speaker 1: What are they gonna do there?
- 11:42Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you can DH one, but I guarantee
- 11:44Speaker 5: if you haves Sean Murphy, he's gonna want to catch,
- 11:46Speaker 5: And then you want Drake Baldwin to catch because he's
- 11:48Speaker 5: a young guy and he's your future. Could they trade
- 11:50Speaker 5: as Sean Murphy to try to change and now I'm
- 11:53Speaker 5: not saying they'll trade him this year, but is that
- 11:55Speaker 5: an offseason traded or is the team, like let's say
- 11:57Speaker 5: the Rays who were looking for a catcher.
- 11:59Speaker 6: Help.
- 12:00Speaker 5: We'll come in and say, hey, we'll take Sean off
- 12:01Speaker 5: if the Braves eat some of the money.
- 12:04Speaker 1: Yeah, this has probably been the other big discussion is
- 12:08Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin, I mean came out of no where. He's
- 12:11Speaker 1: you know, he's been on the Brads tradar, but nobody
- 12:13Speaker 1: expected him to be this good this early, and he has.
- 12:16Speaker 1: He's he's eaten into Sean Murphy's playing time because he's
- 12:18Speaker 1: been so good. Now Murphy has also been good. Murphy's
- 12:21Speaker 1: been red hot of Lady's got three homers in his
- 12:23Speaker 1: last four games. It's kind of been carrying the Braves
- 12:25Speaker 1: offense lately. So this is gonna be a fascinating situation
- 12:29Speaker 1: because what do you do. I mean, you have two
- 12:32Speaker 1: good catchers. Murphy's locked up long term, you know, Drake
- 12:35Speaker 1: Baldwin's just starting his career. I think they're gonna trade
- 12:39Speaker 1: Murphy at some point. I think they were gonna want
- 12:40Speaker 1: the financial flexibility to go other places. They again, they've
- 12:44Speaker 1: got so much long term money locked up, they need
- 12:46Speaker 1: some flexibility somewhere. Trading Murphy at least alleviates a little salary.
- 12:50Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin's clearly good enough to be the starter. I
- 12:53Speaker 1: don't know if you can trade a catcher. I mean, AJ,
- 12:56Speaker 1: you could probably speak to this better than I can.
- 12:57Speaker 1: I don't know how easy it is to trade a
- 12:59Speaker 1: catcher mid season learning a whole new pitching staff, like
- 13:02Speaker 1: on the fly in August and September. That seems like
- 13:05Speaker 1: more of an offseason trade that you would, you know,
- 13:09Speaker 1: try to pull off. But I don't know. I think
- 13:11Speaker 1: I think a couple I think, like Wilson Contresk got
- 13:13Speaker 1: traded at one point mid season at one point, so
- 13:16Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you could pull it off mid
- 13:17Speaker 1: season if they if you, if you, you know, twisted
- 13:20Speaker 1: my arm and said, what's the biggest trade the Braves
- 13:22Speaker 1: could make this trade deadline? I would probably say, Sean Murphy.
- 13:26Speaker 1: I just don't know how realistic it is to trade
- 13:28Speaker 1: a catcher and have him, you know, reactly made to
- 13:30Speaker 1: a whole new pitching staff on the fly as the
- 13:33Speaker 1: season in the middle of the season.
- 13:35Speaker 3: It's rare, you're you're right, it's rare. I mean, it's
- 13:38Speaker 3: usually the backup catcher that they bring in. It's gonna
- 13:41Speaker 3: play some oh, now it's a starting catcher, but it's
- 13:45Speaker 3: somebody that will fill in as a need. It's rare
- 13:49Speaker 3: because of exactly what you said, and I think that's
- 13:51Speaker 3: one of those things it's tough to do. But somebody
- 13:53Speaker 3: that definitely won't play in the playoffs if the Braves
- 13:56Speaker 3: crawl out of this and get a wild card spot.
- 13:59Speaker 6: Is your boy, Profar you tweeted last night. I think
- 14:03Speaker 6: about how he's fitting right into this lineup. How much
- 14:07Speaker 6: was that out of frustration for you? And how much
- 14:10Speaker 6: was it This is exactly what we're getting.
- 14:17Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you follow, if you fall, I mean
- 14:19Speaker 1: I I live tweet most of these games, and it's
- 14:21Speaker 1: been a frustrating year. And obviously we had just learned
- 14:23Speaker 1: about the Spencer swallobuck news and I was already in
- 14:25Speaker 1: a pretty pissy mood. And in his first and his
- 14:29Speaker 1: very first a bat, he came up with the basis
- 14:31Speaker 1: loaded and he struck out with one out. And that's
- 14:33Speaker 1: I mean, if you follow the break, that's literally what
- 14:35Speaker 1: happens to every single game. And so his first, you know,
- 14:38Speaker 1: his first played appearance is he gets kind of fifty
- 14:41Speaker 1: to fifty boos and cheers. Nobody really knows how to
- 14:43Speaker 1: handle this at the moment, and his very first played appearance,
- 14:47Speaker 1: he strikes out with the bases loaded and one out,
- 14:49Speaker 1: and it's like, good lord, here we go to his credit.
- 14:53Speaker 1: He ended up going I think two for three or
- 14:56Speaker 1: three for four. Last night he started a rally, he
- 14:58Speaker 1: got a two out single the Braves. The Braves didn't
- 15:01Speaker 1: scored seven runs with two out and nobody on because
- 15:05Speaker 1: he started that ending with a single. And that was
- 15:07Speaker 1: that tweet you saw about how he's mastered the art
- 15:09Speaker 1: of hit getting a hit with two out, nobody on.
- 15:12Speaker 1: And then he came up better and hit a homer. So,
- 15:15Speaker 1: you know, Braves fans don't really know what to think
- 15:18Speaker 1: of Profar. Quite honestly, I don't know. You know, with PDS,
- 15:21Speaker 1: you guys have you know, you guys have been in clubhouses.
- 15:23Speaker 1: You've dealt with that way more than any of us.
- 15:25Speaker 1: We don't really know how to handle, Like do you
- 15:28Speaker 1: cheer for this guy? He kind of put the Braves
- 15:29Speaker 1: in a brutal position from you know, the first half
- 15:33Speaker 1: of the season. The Braves had zero production from left
- 15:36Speaker 1: field for three months because he got popped through PDEs
- 15:39Speaker 1: and so, like half the fan base wants to boo him,
- 15:43Speaker 1: half wants to cheer him. What I know for sure
- 15:45Speaker 1: is they need him. They need somebody to hit in
- 15:47Speaker 1: this lineup, and to his credit, he came out immediately.
- 15:50Speaker 1: First game he hit hit a homer, he had a
- 15:53Speaker 1: couple other hits. Brave scored seven runs. So we'll see.
- 15:59Speaker 2: My thing is from a storyline perspective, as a fan
- 16:02Speaker 2: of the game, I always want to see what a
- 16:04Speaker 2: player looks like coming back from a ped suspension. Is
- 16:07Speaker 2: he the same guy?
- 16:09Speaker 6: Right?
- 16:09Speaker 2: We've seen guys go down a notch, that's usually the case.
- 16:13Speaker 2: Rarely do they go.
- 16:14Speaker 6: Up a notch.
- 16:15Speaker 2: How much do they go down? So anyway, we'll see
- 16:17Speaker 2: what happens when Jerkson comes back for the rest of
- 16:20Speaker 2: the season. And he's not eligible for the postseason, so
- 16:22Speaker 2: that certainly hurts his case. If the Braves somehow we're
- 16:25Speaker 2: getting value out of him and able to trade him
- 16:27Speaker 2: to a contender, but he's also got two years left
- 16:29Speaker 2: on his deal. Anyway, this was awesome. Thank you so
- 16:31Speaker 2: much for joining us, and we always appreciate what you're
- 16:34Speaker 2: doing over at Hammer Territory. The show's awesome, you know that,
- 16:37Speaker 2: but I advise anyone to check it out here. It
- 16:40Speaker 2: is Brad and Scott your buddies. Steven live tweets the
- 16:44Speaker 2: games and he's part of the Hammer Territory crew. So
- 16:47Speaker 2: if you want to give that show a little listen,
- 16:49Speaker 2: or give them at least a sub if you're on
- 16:51Speaker 2: YouTube right now, that would be great. These guys bring
- 16:54Speaker 2: it usually about four shows a week with Atlanta Braves coverage,
- 16:58Speaker 2: breaking news, the whole deal. Thank you again, Steven. Have
- 17:01Speaker 2: a good weekend.
- 17:03Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. Have a happy Fourth