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Hour Three | Nick Underhill Talks Saints, NFL & LSU vs. Kentucky · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back in OTB.
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  Speaker 4: It is Tuesday morning.
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  Speaker 3: It is 9 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're going to catch up with our guy,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Underhill, New Orleans dot football.
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  Speaker 4: Nicholas, always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Hope it was, you know, after a Saints W last night,
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  Speaker 1: getting back in the Superdome.
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  Speaker 4: That did not happen.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't really get close to happening, but still glad to
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  Speaker 1: have you on.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, sure. Sure, man. Glad to get up and get
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  Speaker 3: on with you guys.
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  Speaker 4: All right. I mean, so many different things to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Start with 17 different ways that we could probably have
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  Speaker 1: a conversation about the Saints. But for you, somebody that
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  Speaker 1: is around this team, covers this team every single day,
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  Speaker 1: what was the thing that stood out to you the most?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they're just completely unprepared week after week after
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  Speaker 5: week after week after week after.
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  Speaker 2: Week to start a game.
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  Speaker 5: You know, last week they finally led at the end
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  Speaker 5: of the first quarter for the first time in the
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  Speaker 5: Kalamore era.
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  Speaker 2: They came out here.
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  Speaker 5: They looked like they weren't ready to start a game.
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  Speaker 5: And then they never got ready to play at all
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  Speaker 5: in any in any faucet. Defense was abysmal.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think.
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  Speaker 5: For me though, like my, my, my aim is aimed
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  Speaker 5: more on the offense than the defense. Like, look, there
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  Speaker 5: was no way they were winning that game last night.
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  Speaker 5: So by no means is that a pass, but I
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  Speaker 5: mean like in the macro sense of like, how are
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  Speaker 5: the saints going to win games? It's always been on
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  Speaker 5: the offense. It's always been about, you know, what they
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  Speaker 5: can do on that side of the ball. They invested
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  Speaker 5: everything on that side of the ball and you can't
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  Speaker 5: come out and play games the way they did. Um,
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  Speaker 5: they ended with the status 24 points of all time.
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  Speaker 5: That last touchdown, I thought was absolutely embarrassing that they
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  Speaker 5: went for it to try to get it with their
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  Speaker 5: starters on the field. Crystal lobby takes a hit to
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  Speaker 5: the knee and, and almost gets hurt, you know, has
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  Speaker 5: to leave the field, limps off the field. That was
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  Speaker 5: a horrible game management. Um, it's just bad, man. Like I, like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what they're trying to do. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what their philosophies are on offense.
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  Speaker 3: Um, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's confusing to watch right now.
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  Speaker 5: Like I don't understand how you can be an offensive
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  Speaker 5: coach and this isn't like a saints issue. This is
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  Speaker 5: going back to Dallas. Every team he's been with can't
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  Speaker 5: score on the opening drive. Like it, it would just
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  Speaker 5: seem like at some point you would back into a
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  Speaker 5: good 15 and like just go down the field and
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  Speaker 5: score and they can't like, I don't, I'm not smart
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  Speaker 5: enough to understand it. Like I've been asking about it
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  Speaker 5: for two years. Um, there's no answers on it. There's
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  Speaker 5: no answers really on anything. Um, I, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's, it's a tough watch.
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  Speaker 3: Nick it's, I mean, with a bad running game, it's,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's really hard to get first 15. You
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  Speaker 3: are going to schedule in running plays in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you can't run the football, then everything is
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  Speaker 3: reliant on the right arm of your quarterback. And so like,
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  Speaker 3: it just makes to me when that makes sense, if
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  Speaker 3: you can't get a running game going. So like if,
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  Speaker 3: When you watch that, is there anything from the offensive
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  Speaker 3: line perspective, schematically? I'm sure you do a lot of
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  Speaker 3: charting of these first 15 plays in the first quarter.
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  Speaker 3: Are there tendencies that they're leaning on too much that
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  Speaker 3: you've seen?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they get any push. It's all very,
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  Speaker 5: very passive. I talk to other people that focus on
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  Speaker 5: offensive line and all that stuff, and there's some disagreement
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  Speaker 5: in league circles about some of the technique and some
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  Speaker 5: of the way they're going at it. A little too
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  Speaker 5: vertical is often the criticism that I hear about how
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  Speaker 5: they're trying to play things.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the run game.
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  Speaker 5: so even that's weird though because you got an offensive
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  Speaker 5: guru as a coach and like last year they were
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  Speaker 5: 32nd in situations where not all play action attempts but
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  Speaker 5: like spots where teams would typically use it where it
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  Speaker 5: would be most effective they were 32nd and attempts there
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  Speaker 5: on play action so like they aren't even getting to
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  Speaker 5: that stuff it's like they're saving their play actions for
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  Speaker 5: later in the game and.
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  Speaker 2: Then they're behind and then they have no.
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  Speaker 5: No opportunity to do any of that stuff um they
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  Speaker 5: changed some of their, their run scheme up this year.
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  Speaker 5: They're doing more outside zone and leaning into that. It's
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  Speaker 5: just a, it's a, it's a weird team, man. Like,
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  Speaker 5: because I couldn't tell you a single thing really about
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  Speaker 5: their philosophy because they refuse to communicate anything too. And
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  Speaker 5: then they lose games and there's just kind of no
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  Speaker 5: answers for anything. So it's not even like, well, they
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  Speaker 5: were trying to do this, but this is what ended
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  Speaker 5: up happening. I can't really tell you like, why they
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  Speaker 5: believe in anything. Cause you ask about it and it's
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  Speaker 5: just kind of like, you know, quick few mumbled words
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  Speaker 5: and nothing's explained. Like, so, so nobody understands anything about
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  Speaker 5: what they're trying to do or why, or what his
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  Speaker 5: philosophies are, or like, this is where I got this from.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 5: Like I knew Sean Payton was going to go out
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  Speaker 5: there and he was going to run, you know, power
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  Speaker 5: run game, have the fullback, try to get double teams.
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  Speaker 5: He was going to be able to get the levels
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  Speaker 5: in any situation from any look. And that's how they
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  Speaker 5: were going to try to attack. Sean, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: would explain that he was trying to create triangle reads and,
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  Speaker 5: you know, all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I knew Kubiak, you know, exactly what he wanted to do.
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  Speaker 5: It was outside zone, build the play action off it,
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  Speaker 5: get the quarterback on the move, pure progressions, why they
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  Speaker 5: wanted to do that. You know, he would explain how
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  Speaker 5: they were trying to marry their feet to their eyes.
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  Speaker 5: And he was the worst communicator of all time. But like,
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  Speaker 5: you still knew what he was going to do because
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  Speaker 5: there was a set of core beliefs. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: what that is right now. And I don't, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know that it's clear to, you know, anybody really like
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  Speaker 5: it just, it just, it's a frustrating place. Like they're talented.
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  Speaker 5: They could easily go win the next two games. And
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  Speaker 5: it could be like the Drake May thing where like,
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  Speaker 5: why does Drake May suck? And then he beats Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 5: And you're like, Oh, the Patriots are back on track.
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  Speaker 5: Like they're talented enough to get back on track. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think they're, they're completely cooked or anything, but they
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  Speaker 5: could be.
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  Speaker 2: Like, they got to figure out how to start these games.
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  Speaker 3: What you're kind of talking about sounds to me like
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  Speaker 3: from a, Offensive play design from an offensive coordinator, head coach,
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  Speaker 3: whatever they're trying to do offensively, they're trying to design
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  Speaker 3: really good plays, and they're not trying to design really
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  Speaker 3: good game plans. So a game plan is something that
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  Speaker 3: makes sense. It's like a book. From cover to cover,
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  Speaker 3: there's like a story that's being told. There's twists. There's turns.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what's coming next. And it all melds
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  Speaker 3: together to come and create this beautiful story that is
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  Speaker 3: a football game and a game plan. They're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to write really good chapters, like really good plays. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what you're trying to tell me, because you just
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  Speaker 3: don't know what they are. There's no identity to the team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, it's like, I draw out every play
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  Speaker 5: they run, like, and I've been doing that for a year.
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  Speaker 5: And like, it used to be, they do something to
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  Speaker 5: be like, man, week four, they did this play. And
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  Speaker 5: then like, you're in week 12 drawn out to plays.
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  Speaker 5: And you're like, oh man, like they set that up
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  Speaker 5: there and they build a tendency off it to break
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  Speaker 5: it here. And like, I don't know that these things
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  Speaker 5: are kind of coming together right now, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's– yeah, like, it feels like a lack of preparation.
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  Speaker 5: And he pointed to that himself last night. And I
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  Speaker 5: could– like, I agree with it. Like, it just feels
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  Speaker 5: like– it just feels like they aren't ever ready to
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  Speaker 5: start a game. Like, at some point, it just feels
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  Speaker 5: like you would find something to break the other team. Like,
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  Speaker 5: Pete Carmichael, man, like, I thought he did a bad
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  Speaker 5: job calling plays, but he did a great job researching. And, like,
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  Speaker 5: he would find tendencies in other teams. And I remember–
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember what year it was. Maybe– 17 or 18,
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  Speaker 5: they played Buffalo and they had found this like tackle overplay.
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  Speaker 5: And then they built like their whole plan off it
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  Speaker 5: because they saw how they defended it against another team
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  Speaker 5: and then just cooked them with it. Like at some
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  Speaker 5: point you would find something that's just going to break
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  Speaker 5: the other team and those first 15. And this isn't
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  Speaker 5: like a small, like we're talking over the course of like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a season and a quarter. Now at some
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  Speaker 5: point you would just have the perfect plan to go
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  Speaker 5: down the field and just, we know they're going to
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  Speaker 5: defend this like this and we're going to exploit the
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  Speaker 5: hell out of it. And it's just like, they aren't
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  Speaker 5: finding those things. So it's hard. It's hard to understand
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  Speaker 5: that part of it. Like everything else I can, whatever, like,
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  Speaker 5: but man, at some point, like as an offensive coach,
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  Speaker 5: you got to start a game and.
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  Speaker 2: They like you're behind every game.
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  Speaker 5: So then, yeah, you can't run the ball and then
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  Speaker 5: you got a bad run plan and, and that isn't
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  Speaker 5: coming together.
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  Speaker 2: Um, it's, it's, it's tough to watch, man.
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  Speaker 5: They, they, they desperately got to figure this stuff out. Um, Because, look,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like, I don't think they're a 12-win team, but, like,
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  Speaker 5: they should be way more competitive than this. And you
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  Speaker 5: absolutely can't. You just can't lose that game like that. Like,
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  Speaker 5: there's a million ways you could have lost that game,
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  Speaker 5: and most of them wouldn't have been forgivable. But this
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  Speaker 5: was the worst possible way. Like, it was embarrassing, man. Like,
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  Speaker 5: this whole buildup, and then they come out, and Bijan
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  Speaker 5: goes on touchdown in the field. You got nothing on offense.
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  Speaker 5: Just really tough.
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  Speaker 1: Catching up with a guy, Nick Underhill, New Orleans.football here
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  Speaker 1: on OTB.
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  Speaker 4: And I know this has kind of turned into.
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  Speaker 1: A therapy session, but it is what it is after
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  Speaker 1: what you saw last night, what we all saw last night.
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  Speaker 1: And I understand who I'm saying this to as well.
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  Speaker 2: I sold my stock, man.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: I was about to ask you. I was about to
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  Speaker 4: ask you. It's gone.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Because no third round pick has ever gotten more chances
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  Speaker 1: and opportunities with less production than your guy.
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  Speaker 4: Never ever in the history of the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Major L for me.
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  Speaker 5: And it's unfortunate because like the Kendrick thing was like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, kind of a bit.
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  Speaker 2: And then it.
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  Speaker 3: Got like very serious.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like I fumbled that ball, man.
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  Speaker 5: Like I i was i swear i was like oh
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  Speaker 5: no i like i knew it was coming i like
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  Speaker 5: i just you know turned turned off the the twitter
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  Speaker 5: tab at that.
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  Speaker 2: Moment and was like nope uh Yeah, that was tough, man.
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  Speaker 5: Like it's it's this was his moment. He had an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to kind of show what he could do. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of funny. Like Marcus Davenport's retirement came out
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  Speaker 5: at halftime of that game. And I think there's some
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  Speaker 5: parallels there between those two guys like scintillating talent. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you're watching it, there's just things that
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  Speaker 5: you're going to believe. Like Kevin White was kind of
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  Speaker 5: like that, too. Just things would happen in practice. You're like, man,
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  Speaker 5: this guy like it. If just a couple things clicked,
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  Speaker 5: it could be unbelievable. And, you know, it just never came.
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  Speaker 5: It never came together. You know, he's got three more games.
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  Speaker 5: H & N' s not playing. But that was brutal, man. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the week before, he fumbled out of bounds.
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  Speaker 5: So you're already playing with fire. And then you come
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  Speaker 5: back and you.
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  Speaker 2: Lose the ball. Kind of a tough fumble call.
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  Speaker 5: But even beyond that, like the running game wasn't there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the stock's gone, man. We took a loss on those shares.
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  Speaker 5: Just time to move on.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Nick. Okay, so the Saints get an F
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  Speaker 3: for yesterday. There were some guys that played well. I
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  Speaker 3: still think Tyler Shuck played well. Chase Young was high motor,
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  Speaker 3: high effort. So there's a few positive takeaways, but nobody
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  Speaker 3: really cares about the positive. They lost. It was embarrassing
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  Speaker 3: on a huge moment for the Saints. Finally, prime time.
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  Speaker 3: They embarrassed themselves in a bad loss, so they get
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  Speaker 3: an F. But talk about the dome, the atmosphere. What
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  Speaker 3: grade would you get? All the scenes pregame, the feel outside. Like,
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  Speaker 3: what would you grade? fans, the dome, everything, at least
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  Speaker 3: leading up to kickoff.
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  Speaker 2: Leading up to kickoff. It was great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: 10 out of 10. I feel like it was like
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  Speaker 5: the most anticipated game in a long time. Like the
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  Speaker 5: whole city felt like a parking lot, you know, just
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  Speaker 5: kind of you're out in the afternoon and it's just
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  Speaker 5: saints stuff everywhere. Like the buildup was crazy. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I get there like three, three and a half hours
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  Speaker 5: before the game. usually I'm the first car pulling into
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  Speaker 5: that place. And it was already filled up under the bridge.
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  Speaker 5: And inside the building, you felt the celebration, the whole
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  Speaker 5: chant with Drew and Gleason and everybody out there, Mike Tirico.
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  Speaker 5: And then they invited the whole world to the city
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  Speaker 5: just to kind of show their ass, which is.
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  Speaker 2: Not fortunate. By the end, man, like really.
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  Speaker 5: I just hope they were paying attention because by the
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  Speaker 5: end of the game, it was literally just red in
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  Speaker 5: the stands with about seven minutes left in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 5: They're chanting weed in the Superdome on the day where
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  Speaker 5: it's a celebration of the city.
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  Speaker 2: Very tough look. And they need to earn it. They
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  Speaker 2: got to earn their way back.
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  Speaker 5: Analytically, I agree with kicking... you know, getting the ball
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  Speaker 5: and having the chance for the double score. Like, I
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  Speaker 5: think that that's a cheat code in football. More teams
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  Speaker 5: should lean into it and try harder to set it
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  Speaker 5: up in this game though. Like where, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: don't have your, your defensive players to not take the
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  Speaker 5: ball and try to get something going and keep everything
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  Speaker 5: behind you. That was a little bit surprising to me too.
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  Speaker 5: Just kind of knowing like the situation of the game
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  Speaker 5: that Kate Nellis, Grando, Anthony Jennings, like quietly a huge
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  Speaker 5: loss for them.
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  Speaker 2: Pete Werner playing through his stinger. Like, this is, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. It was bad. Like by the end of
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  Speaker 2: the game, it backfired on them. You know, the buildup
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  Speaker 2: was great.
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  Speaker 5: And you saw the spirit of the city and you
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  Speaker 5: see why new Orleans believes in new Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: But by the end of that game, like, I don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think they.
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  Speaker 5: Believed in the saints anymore and they, they shouldn't like,
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  Speaker 5: they're going to have to earn that back big time.
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  Speaker 5: And I, you know, I just think, I think the
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  Speaker 5: honeymoon is kind of over on, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, just, Oh, well they, they might figure this out.
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  Speaker 5: They might do that. Like Tyler's good. Chris is good.
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  Speaker 5: Chase Young's good. Wrestling really got a lot to prove.
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  Speaker 4: All right. Well, we kind of talked about it earlier.
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  Speaker 4: And last one for you, Nick.
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  Speaker 1: The next three games, you've got the Minnesota Vikings who
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  Speaker 1: have an incredible defense. They're 4-0. You go on the
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  Speaker 1: road against the Giants. And look, they're 3-1. Regardless of
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  Speaker 1: who they've played and who they have available, they're 3-1.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be on the road. And then
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  Speaker 1: you go to France to play the Pittsburgh Steelers. What
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  Speaker 1: is your outlook on those three games for this Saints
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  Speaker 1: team that's been so up and down?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think they can definitely beat the Giants
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  Speaker 5: and the Steelers. I think both those games are tougher
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  Speaker 5: than they looked two weeks ago, though. You know, Jackson
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  Speaker 5: Dark goes down. You're like, oh, that's a win for sure.
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  Speaker 5: And they've played well. You know, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 5: think their quarterback play has been a little inconsistent. But
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  Speaker 5: they're a tough opponent. And I think Pittsburgh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if– Rogers and Mike don't kill each other before then.
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  Speaker 5: Like they, they look formidable enough to be challenging. Flores
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  Speaker 5: is terrified. Like probably the most terrifying person you can
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  Speaker 5: play when your offense is struggling to find identity and
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  Speaker 5: get stuck stuff going early.
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  Speaker 4: He only blitzes like 80% of the time, man.
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: You know, and I think they have some trouble with
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: the skies at times, young quarterback. Like, this is just
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: a tough game for any quarterback that, you know, doesn't
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: have 35 starts under their belt. So, yeah, I think
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: this is probably the worst matchup you can have offensively
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: coming off of that game. This is not the shakeback game.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool. They're winnable.
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're a beatable team. They don't have a
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: lot on offense. Justin Jefferson's been hurt. But, man, Flores, yeah,
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: he's going to blitz.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: He's going to disguise. They're going to be confused.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: They're going to have to find their way through hell
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: if they're going to get a win here.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I thought the one positive takeaway I thought was the
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: passing game last night. I know the offense didn't put
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: up a ton of points, but when you run the
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: ball like they did, it's bad. I mean, the defense,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, defense.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Here's the problem with their passing offense, though, man.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Like, why is it– You're a quarterback, so maybe you
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: watch this and maybe we need.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: The eye in the sky on this.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: Why is it that they're only successful or they start
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: to become successful in the most improbable and impossible situations?
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: It's like once you get beyond the plan, they have answers.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: But when you plan for answers, they don't have them.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: So third and seven, they're going to get. Third and four,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: they won't. Third and 14 is like the easiest play,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: the most automatic play for them.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: But fourth and one, like they don't have anything for that.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: So it's just, it's, it's a mystifying, like, it's just
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: so confusing.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: It's third and four. Yeah. Call a third and 10
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: play is what you're saying. Don't go for the sticks.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Push it down the field.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Like, I don't understand why, like why it happens like that,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: but our, like a lot of our positivity about this
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: team last year and this year is scoring points when
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: they're way behind or converting these third downs that nobody
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: else gets.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: And then they keep drives going and they start, scoring it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: And like, it, it's incredibly frustrating that the whole first
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: half looks like that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: And then they'll come out.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Like sometimes it's not the first job in the third quarter,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: but there's always a job in the third quarter where
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, this is how it works. And then,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: and then they just start moving from there. And that's
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: how it goes. It's just very, very weird.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: You got anything for that Flynn?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, just come out in two minutes. No huddle.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, basically that's what their offense is anyway, with
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: no running game.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, pretty much you could try to run it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: If like, I know you invest a lot of money
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: in the running game, but it stinks. So just, just
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: get into two minute every time.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Fair enough.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: 55 times with the second year quarterback and no left
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: tackle and don't give the left tackle any help and just,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: just hope for the best.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you did that every game, you'd still
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: probably be one in three. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I know we don't have, we don't, we don't have
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the time today, but maybe next week when we have
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the time, let's talk about the draft choices. for the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Saints team as it's getting worse and worse because the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: guy that played Oscar Delp did struggle.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Bad, bad night for Oscar. All right, Nick, we appreciate
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: you every single week, sir. We'll catch up again next Tuesday.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: All right, take it easy, guys.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: All right, Nick Underhill, New Orleans Stop Football.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I feel good.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I feel really good. Think about the Saints draft. Jordan
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Tyson hadn't played. Christian Miller, where he at, hadn't played.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Oscar Delp, your lowest rated player last night. Jeremiah Wright,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: not playing. Bryce Lance, you tried a couple times, didn't connect.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Lorenzo Stiles, IR. Varian Brown, returner. Had a negative five
• 18:23
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• 18:23
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  Speaker 1: Did anybody in the room feel better about the Saints
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: after the conversation with Nick? No. That man was the
• 21:26
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• 21:29
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• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Surprising, though. He came out firing against the offense. That
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: was a little surprising. He didn't really mention the defense
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and how terrible it was. Maybe that was just obvious.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: It was a little surprising. He knows. He knows it's bad.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: The outfits could be good. He knows we've got to
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: win 44-41. He looked very sad. Maybe Falcons are just
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the greatest thing we've ever seen.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: The 2-2 Falcons?
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I said that about the Raiders last week, too.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, in fairness, the Raiders hung in there with
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: the Chiefs. They had opportunities to win that game. They're
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: a good team. Going into this game, your body of
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: work looked pretty good. But after last night, we all
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: feel like real pieces of poo right now.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Like a white dog turd.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: We said it before the game. You've got to get
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: that run game going. And they just have not. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: it's not been there for a while now. Not even
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: this season. Last season, it wasn't good either.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not that surprised that he came out.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Like, you're right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: He didn't say much about the defense. But, I mean,
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: aside from the passing game, like, the offense didn't look
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: good either. And then the kickers out here missing field goals.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: And then you were giving them really good field position, like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: the entire game, too.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: You were giving them really good field position.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Some of it self-inflicted, some of it, like.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: It's been a very unpredictable.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Football season so far. You know, the Seahawks lose to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the Commanders randomly, and they're 3-1, the Seahawks.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Or the backup quarterback.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: The backup quarterback. We see stuff like that happen. Like
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the Browns are 3-1.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: We could go across the board of things that are surprising,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I think. Patriots are not going to beat Buffalo. And Buffalo,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the way they played, they go and do it. So
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it's been surprising. I don't remember an NFL season where
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: after like four.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Weeks, I'm like, is anybody good? Is anybody truly like
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: a step above the rest?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And I think right now I've got four teams, two
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in each conference that I think are above the rest.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And everybody else is just kind of like rugby scrumming
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: right underneath them. In the AFC, I'd go Kansas City
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and Jacksonville. And then in the NFC, it's San Francisco
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Minnesota offensively is challenged, but their defense is
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: so damn good, it does not matter right now.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: They are blitzing 73% of the time.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: 80% last week.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: 73 for the year, yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: The next highest is like 50.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Tampa Bay?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the rest of their defense is terrible.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Todd's always going to do that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Vikings are good on defense. Brian Flores is very good.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: He's going to get got here pretty soon. I don't know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: He's going to get got by somebody.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Maybe for a game. For a game.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Not the entirety of a season. I give him a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: lot of credit. It's never going to look the same.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: He brings pressure from a lot of different places and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: pre-snaps it a lot of different ways.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, eventually somebody's going to have a game plan
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and block it up.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Right now, they're just mean and nasty and tough.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I still think the Bears are going to win that division.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I think the Bears are good. I don't know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I picked them so, like, it wouldn't be
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: crazy and, like, you know, they're 3-1.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: But seeing Minnesota, and I don't care what the conditions,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I don't care. It's football. Like, going to Chicago and
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: holding them to three points.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. It was impressive. It was very impressive.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: That is a black and blue division. I mean, it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of fun. Both the North.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Both North.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: AFC, NFC.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Well, we thought it was. I mean, are the Lions
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: any good? Lions defense is one of the worst defenses
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: in the league. Yeah, they were giving up. They're awful.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Almost 32 points a game before the Sunday night game.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That offense is going to win them games, though. They're
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: going to be 9-win, 10-win team.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a ceiling, though.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: But if they win 10 games, Chicago wins 12, Minnesota
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: wins 11.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: If they win 9 or 10 games, they will be
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: third place in their division.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They were last year. They were fourth place winning nine games.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Packers are going to be lucky to get to six wins. Yeah,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: they can't run the ball. They could play dead in
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a Western right now.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not kidding. I think it's four teams right now.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Even Seattle. Seattle has some flaws.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Seattle does. They can, I think, fix them. I think
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold being back. But they can't run the ball.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Price is hurt.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Is Zach Charbonnet going to come back and be the
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: guy that he's been? I don't know. He's coming off
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: an ACL. I don't know. We don't know that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: Last week, Emmanuel Wilson was their go-to back.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That's two times that he's been their go-to back. They're
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: plus 32 in the points difference. That's big. They're not
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: as good as San Francisco. I agree with you on
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars. The one game they lost, they blew against
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Denver on the road.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: They did. Who won? The Jaguars are good.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, look out, people. Look out. MVP talks. Oh.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Liam Cohen's a wizard.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: There's some young coaches out there. Him. Ben Johnson. Kyle Shanahan.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: That are kind of on a different level. We talk
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: about what. I love him. We know. But we talked about, like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: when we just talked about Nick Underhill, like the Saints,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Kellen Moore and them, they're trying to make these pretty
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: plays instead of building, like, a game plan and an
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: offense together. That makes sense. Those coaches are not running
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a play just because they think it looks good and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: could work. They are running a play because they think
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: it can work, but also because it correlates to this
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: pre-snap look, and it correlates to what we did. Oh,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: we showed this look three weeks ago. Right. Against a
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: certain defense. So we're going to, like, everything... is tied together.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Every play touches and connects to every other play in
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: some form or fashion, and their game plans are there,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: and then they can execute those things. They're not just
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: trying to draw up cool plays. And I'm not saying
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: that's what Kellen Moore and his staff are doing, because
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're trying to create that gameplay.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Somebody in the chat actually said it, because you were
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: explaining it, and he said it really well. He said
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he's writing chapters, not the book.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I said.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Thanks, bro.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Makes sense.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: You can't do that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: You gotta write the whole book.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: You gotta write the whole book. George R.R.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Martin. Yeah, chapters are just short stories.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: We're looking for a novel.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bud.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: Trevor Lawrence plus 650 in MVP odds.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know the hook at the volume. I don't
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: know the hook at the volume. Because Liam's like, Liam's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: going to be balanced. He's not going to have a game.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: They like to use him a lot.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: Plus 5,000.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: And Rodriguez.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Is he really?
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: Who?
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Who?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Plus 5,000?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Plus 5,000.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Should we put $ 10 on that?
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: So is Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, and Kenneth Walker.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Well, Bryce Young has the same odds as Jalen Hurts.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he has higher odds than Jackson Smith and
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Jigba and Jared Goff and Caleb Williams. Well, I guess
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Caleb's out, so that makes sense.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: But Josh Allen plus 270.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I'll $ 10 it with you. Those are live?
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Dude, I think he's got a long shot to win. Yeah,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: but that's a little disrespectful to the way he's been playing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Dude's on another level right now.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: While you place that bet, and I know you were
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: talking about young football coaches and the hot names and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the flashy guys.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: You can't teach an old dog new tricks, but an
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: old dog can trick you every once.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: In a while. True.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Todd Munkin.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: Still got game.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Todd Munkin's calling plays.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: When he was doing it with Cleveland, It's impressive as hell.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: That's the biggest positive surprise for me in the NFL.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: Did anybody have the Cleveland Browns going 3-1? Deshaun Watson
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: actually looking like a good quarterback?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Hey, and also, let's take a look at who they've...
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: They beat the Panthers and the Steelers the last two weeks.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: The Buccaneers are bad, okay. The Panthers just did what
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: they did to the Lions on Sunday Night Football. I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: think the Steelers, they've got a couple good wins under
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: their belt. They beat Cincinnati. Now, Jacksonville blew them out,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: but Jacksonville looks damn good. The Browns have the Jets
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: coming up this week, a potential of a game with
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: no Lamar against the Ravens, depending on what that ankle
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: looks like, and then at the Titans in the next
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: three games.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Could the Browns be 5-2?
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: I think very easily.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: They could be 5-2.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Their defense is good enough. If Deshaun doesn't turn the
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: ball over.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Which he hasn't.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: No, and last week, Judkins caught fire a little bit.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: That was his first game where he was.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: He had a pulse. He caught the football.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had six passes out of the backfield.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: His big plays were out of the passing game.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Which, yeah, I mean, if they can utilize that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Well, my point in bringing that up is if they
• 31:11
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  Speaker 1: This is the first game all season they've been over
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  Speaker 1: But Deshaun Watson kind of adds to the run game.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's deserved a little bit more. He's been
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  Speaker 7: He's a bigger back, too, and that'll help because their
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like Raheem Sanders.
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  Speaker 3: Trevor, plus 650. Lamar, plus 800. Let's see, Jameer Gibbs
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  Speaker 3: plus 3,000. Bijan plus 6,000. So Jameer Gibbs has twice
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  Speaker 3: the odds.
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  Speaker 7: He has a lot of touchdowns right now.
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  Speaker 3: Jameer? Yeah, he has a lot of touchdowns. The leading rusher.
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  Speaker 4: Plus 6,000?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the leading rusher, Kenneth Walker, is plus 5,000. I
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  Speaker 3: get it. It's a quarterback award. Yeah, sure. But the
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  Speaker 6: Right? This one's plus 5,000.
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  Speaker 8: This one's plus 5,000.
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  Speaker 7: The reason Gibbs is where he is, he has seven
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  Speaker 3: All right, makes sense. Because B.
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  Speaker 7: Jones probably actually ran it a little bit better, but
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  Speaker 7: Gibbs has a lot of touchdowns.
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  Speaker 4: Shout out to Bryce Young.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's leading. He has 1,268 yards on the season.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Goff right behind him at 1,214.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 8: What chapter in the book was that read from?
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  Speaker 3: I am excited about LSU getting back to some SEC play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you, I mean, more than anybody that I've ever
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  Speaker 8: We've got to do away with the non-cons.
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  Speaker 3: You were going through it.
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  Speaker 8: Unless it was a good non-conference game. Like, if we
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  Speaker 6: non-conference game that wasn't McNeese, I'd be fine. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: let's get back to, like, real good football.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it is.
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  Speaker 4: It came at a weird time, too, because you played
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  Speaker 6: You played Ole Miss and Texas A & M.
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  Speaker 4: Typically that game would be in November.
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you're scheduling.
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  Speaker 3: to other teams and what they're doing. We need to
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  Speaker 3: fix the whole thing. I mean, there's never an off
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  Speaker 7: I will say, if you're going to play that game,
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  Speaker 3: Shut up, Taylor. I mean, I don't like the game,
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  Speaker 3: for us, you know? Go beat them there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to get it done. Last two times
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  Speaker 4: we talked about it, you have lost.
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  Speaker 1: And in big ways. Won in triple overtime. So, a
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  Speaker 1: close loss, but still a big one as you were
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  Speaker 1: number one team in the country. And one since the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Bluegrass Miracle, correct?
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  Speaker 4: There, right.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Some would say you squeaked out of that one.
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  Speaker 4: Some would say.
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  Speaker 3: Stole that one.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I mean, you've obviously beaten the hell out of
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  Speaker 4: them here. But there? No, it had been great. Has
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  Speaker 4: not been great. So, it's a.
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  Speaker 1: It's a game that sometimes you don't show it. enough
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  Speaker 1: respect i think it's safe to say yeah like in
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the past for sure it's not an opponent again that
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  Speaker 1: you play very often yeah so there's not you know
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  Speaker 1: that already going into it of i don't like you
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  Speaker 1: you don't like me it's like i don't know you.
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  Speaker 3: They've earned the respect they've earned your attention this year
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  Speaker 3: for sure. And Alondra, I think you said it earlier
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  Speaker 3: in the show, like what they did this past week.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is South Carolina is not good, but
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: to be able to come back like that, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it shows that their program's headed in the right direction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And it was on the road too. I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: feel like whether South Carolina is good or bad, you
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: were down 17-0 and you came back on the road.
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  Speaker 6: And what's usually, I feel like Williams-Brice is usually like
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: a pretty hostile environment.
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  Speaker 8: So I've been.
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  Speaker 6: pretty impressed with Kentucky base only because I thought they
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: were going to be God awful. Like I thought they
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: were going to be really, really bad with a new
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  Speaker 6: head coach and also Joe Sloan as their offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 6: I'll be honest. So like, I just, I have been
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: a little impressed with Kentucky.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of unknown Minchi. Like he was
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: talented and we heard about his talent. We saw him
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: come in a little here, a little there. I mean,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it never, what started a game, right?
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: And so like now it's like, okay, like he's, he's
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: more talented.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: He's better than we thought at, I didn't know that
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: his accuracy would be good. Um, when he got in,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: it was a little, and you know, you, you know
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: how this is like trying to make a play a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: little too much. Sometimes a little Jack rabbit in him,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but I thought he's been good.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Baxter coming over from Texas.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Like he had some moments. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: When he hit the portal, I was like adding Lane Kiffin.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: It was like on three. It was like CJ Baxter
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: in the portal, like at lane.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: You know who had a big game for him on Saturday?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Nick Anderson. Nick Anderson, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Who was here for a blink of an eye.
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  Speaker 3: That name sounds familiar.
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  Speaker 8: He had flashes here, too.
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  Speaker 4: Oklahoma, LSU, Kentucky.
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  Speaker 3: Classic.
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  Speaker 4: That's the time line.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Classic roadmap.
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  Speaker 4: Joe Sloan, obviously. He's going east. He's going east.
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  Speaker 3: He is.
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  Speaker 8: If Kentucky had looked like Arkansas does, it would not
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  Speaker 8: have been surprising.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why I'm, like, impressed by them. Because I
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  Speaker 6: expected them to be, like, in the bottom of the SEC.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's Kentucky, first-year head coach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Joe Sloan. Way ahead of schedule. Yeah. This is, like,
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  Speaker 4: they're a football team that should be ranked in both bowls.
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  Speaker 4: I agree. All right. We will step away one final time.
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  Speaker 1: Going to put a bow on this edition and wrap
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