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Season 3, Episode 3; Captain Geoffrey Rollins, SPO II Doug Williams, and the History Minute with Hannah Silberman · APD Pod Squad

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_05: Fifth is the APD Five Squad.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_05: I'm Rick Wright.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_05: For most of us, September 11th, 2001 is the day and date we'll never forget.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_05: In this episode, I'm joined by Captain Jeffrey Rollins, who shares his unique APD story from that tragic day.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_05: We'll get to know Senior Police Officer 2 Doug Williams, who just celebrated 12 years of service with the Ashville Police Department.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_05: And in another history minute, Kenneth Silverman takes us back through a century of history at the municipal building as the latest major renovations get underway.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: The first since 1998.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_05: If you listen closely, you can probably hear them working a few floors below us right now.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_05: It's all coming up on season three, episode three of the APD Pod Squad.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_05: Captain Jeffrey Rollins joins me right now.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_05: So, Jeffrey, what have you heard?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard, and just to clear this is like just the general term that we use amongst command staff uh members.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like, well, what what have you got?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_03: What entail?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_03: But what have I heard?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: I have heard that the police chief process is over.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: They have narrowed it down to two or three, and uh we should know something by the end of September.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna go ahead and make a bold prediction.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_05: Uh by the time this is out, we will know.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_05: We're recording today.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_05: Today is September 10th of 2026.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_05: And by the time this is actually published, because it is not live, obviously, it'll be the end of September.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_05: And they have said the process uh should be over before then.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_05: So I would think by the time this is out, we will know that Chief of Police.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_05: This will be old news.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_05: But I've heard that phrase around the building before.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_05: What have you heard?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's not a good idea.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_05: Usually it's when something's happening.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's like it's you know, there's this thing, and it's like this captain and this captain and this lieutenant and this sergeant walks in and sharing information, sharing intel.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_05: What have you heard?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's kind of the official and you kind of set me up for that one too.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, good.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_05: You wanted me to use it on the radio, so you also did the radio spot this morning, and you're like, you need to ask me what have I heard?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, What why would I ask you to do that?
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it didn't it didn't work out.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: I was too nervous.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: But I I was sharing with you a friend of mine was on a debate team in high school, and they would always have just some random term they'd throw in on the debate, like we've got to say boiled chicken on this.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like somehow they would it's like when you're boiling a chicken, and that would be part of their discussion.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_05: Fair enough.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I I'd mentioned that today is September 10th, and tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of 9-11.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_05: And so that's why I wanted you in here, because I wanted to tie that in somehow to this episode of the podcast.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_05: And I was trying to do that, and I'm saying, okay, that was 25 years ago.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_05: Do we even have anybody here that has a direct connection?
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I, of course, pull up the master list that includes everyone, uh, how many years of service and date of hire and uh all those different things.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_05: And I saw your name, that your official date of hire was December 10th of 2001.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_05: And so I'm like, aha, I thought I had the golden ticket, right?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, I bet he was inspired to join me a cop because of 9-11.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, this is gonna be a great story.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_05: So I find you and you're like, no.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, not not not quite that way.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh though, I you know, and I did, I did maybe I shared with you or I I shared on the radio, I don't remember.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but we have we have had several cops that saw, oh man, I want to be a cop now.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um we had one former school teacher in Pennsylvania that came down to us.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: But no, the application process is a little bit more lengthy than that.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I had actually applied to the Asheville Police Department in the fall of 2000, and I was not selected, and they said you're you can reapply in a year.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I had reapplied.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: So this was the tail end of the process.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'd already I'd applied, you know, early on, whatever the 365 days after my first application date.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I'd already gone through the PT, medical, the initial panel interview.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: So this at this time, the the final phase was um one-on-one interview with the chief of police, and we had a woman, non-sworn position, Tammy Hubert, who was in charge of hiring.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: Not to be confused with Tammy Hooper, our former police chief, but uh Tammy Hubert.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so this on September 11th at nine o'clock was my interview with Chief Anne Areno.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I came to the police department, uh, came in the front door, police information desk, and uh identified myself, and they're like, Okay, yes, sit right here, uh someone will be back to get you.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: So the we were sitting there, and then there was some some stirring in in the police information desk.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: Some of the personnel there said, Hey, that something's happened.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: One of the fire one of the towers is on fire in New York City.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_03: So me and there were some other people in the lobby, we gathered up around the window uh at the police information desk and we're watching one of the towers on fire and really didn't know what had happened.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um at this point, Tammy Hubert came down to get me.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: She joins us in the window.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: We're watching one of the towers on fire, didn't really understand what had happened.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we walked back to where the chief's office is, big executive area, number of offices there.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, at the time, Lieutenant Don Babb, who was uh the head of professional standards, and he also worked in in recruiting in a some capacity, his office was there, and he had a TV on in his office, so he was like, Hey, look, look at this, what's going on?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_03: So then Tammy Hubert and I shifted over there to his uh doorway, watching his television, and then Anor Will Anorino came out, Chief Anorino came out, joined us there.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: We're watching the tower burn as we saw a plane crash into the second tower.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, it was it was pretty surreal.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it really registered with us.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: And we obviously didn't know one plane had already crashed into it.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Here's another one, but anyway, we stepped away, went, did the interview.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they offered me a position with the police department, and and we went from there.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_05: And the world changed forever.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_05: Your day, your life, your life changed forever as well, of course, because you know you began your career with the APD that day.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_05: And our our experiences with witnessing it were very similar in a kind of an eerie way.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_05: I was only several miles from here at the time.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_05: I'd moved here in ninety-nine.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_05: And so this was 2001.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_05: I was doing a morning show for a radio station across town, had a little tiny TV on in the studio.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_05: We keep it on the news channels in case something happens, and of course something did, but nobody knew exactly what.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_05: But when the second plane hit, I also saw it because we were in a commercial or in a song or something.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm looking up at it when that happened.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_05: And so we came out of whatever that was and started to explain as best we could.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_05: And so then people are calling up, you know, we're taking phone calls, we're doing this, we're doing that, and we went kind of all news the rest of the day uh for that.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_05: And then, of course, everybody kind of watched whatever TV they were for the next day, two days, three days, four days.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_05: The whole world focused on that event and on getting as much information as we could because there was so much unknowns, because there was more planes.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_05: There was the two, obviously, there was the one that in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_05: Then there was the one at the Pentagon.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_05: So I I remember thinking this, and I'm sure you did at the time too, we're under attack.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: No, I know that Charlotte cle they cleared out their downtown, Atlanta did, you know, just like, yeah, didn't we didn't know are there other planes being hijacked that are coming down?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: It was yeah, it was really a scary moment.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_05: The whole airline system was just kind of halted, stopped.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_05: No more planes in the air were allowed except for Air Force One.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_05: I remember that.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, because President was down in uh in Florida.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he was at a meeting at an elementary school or something along those lines.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_05: And because the airlines weren't allowed to operate for a couple of days, and a few of them were teetering in financial distress already, several of them, including National, went out of business.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_05: Oh and so an interesting connection for me is I was getting married eleven days after 9-11, and so we're planning for the wedding, and this is going on a very highly volatile emotional time, but several of our family members and friends that were going to come in for the wedding could not because the airlines were no longer flying.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_05: People had to change all their plans.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh some people drove in, most drove in.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and the ones from New York State, the Buffalo area that had New York State license tags in the back, people were honking and giving them a thumbs up on the way down.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_05: Took them a long time to figure out why they were doing that.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_05: Right because they weren't from New York City.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_05: They were from the other side of the state.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_05: But everyone associates at that point New York with the incident.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_05: And so so then you were the first class, the first post 9-11 B L E T class after that.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_05: And so not having been part of one before, you don't know exactly, but I'm guessing it was different.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, they had they had not changed the curriculum.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: They do change the curriculum of the basic law enforcement uh training every handful of years.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: So that they hadn't changed it, but the whole shift of teaching was more towards the homeland security and and terrorism, domestic terrorism.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: So we saw that.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember one of our instructors, um, he was teaching a block on drug enforcement, and he was assigned to the uh the local multi-jurisdictional task force and shared that his partner on that task force was an FBI agent, and then after 9-11, he walked out of the office, never came back.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: He was he was an air marshal for a bit and then was just working on terrorism.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just whole shift.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: It was uh and I can speak to this because my dad is a retired FBI agent 31 years that the FBI before was was more on collecting information and and building cases on specific people, not really the preventative measures and and the shift that it underwent.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: And he was retired at the time.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I tell I'll tell you this interesting story.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: A a woman, a new agent came to him.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: We were he was retired out of the Jackson, Mississippi office, but that was her first assignment.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: He field trained her, and uh Debbie Stafford was her name, and she was on 9-11, she was stationed in Kansas City, but she was the FBI's point contact on the intel on Osama bin Laden.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: So when it happened, one plane was Air Force One landed, one plane was flying, and that was the plane that was sent to Kansas City to pick her up, bring her back to DC, and brief uh Robert Mueller, who was the head of the FBI and President Bush, because she she was the go-to on that.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell I'm not sure I've ever heard or they've ever said there was another plane in the air.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's uh yeah, no, that's uh yeah, interesting that that that she was she was the lead on it.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know, my dad hit part a big part of his tail in his career was counterterrorism.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: But um yeah, I was just curious.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um one of the things that changed after that day was agencies working together because prior to that, very territorial from what I understand.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_05: And now all of a sudden everyone's having to work together and share information.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I've heard that too from other federal agencies that prior to 9-11, there just there's a a certain just notoriety of you have this top secret information.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like we cannot share it with you, like you are not worthy.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's just like you to have that badge of honor of this is top secret instead of sharing it.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, and and to see the shift.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: I remember Stanley McChrystal, who retired army, he was uh in was he in Afghanistan at the end of his career, I forget, but I read a book uh by him, and he was very big on having a briefing that included everyone, every morning.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: And he was asked uh in an interview, aren't you afraid of some information getting leaked?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: He said, I am more afraid of someone getting hurt or killed because they don't know exactly what's going on.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: And he really did that big push of information sharing.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: And we do that here too.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's important for people to know what's what's going on.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um then just seeing the I can't speak to it before my career, but uh just seeing during my career the partnerships with federal agencies, the FBI, um DEA, ATF, to to just have that have that liaison police officer who who assists in investigations.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_05: Captain Jeffrey Rollins joins me as we look back at the twenty-fifth anniversary of nine-eleven.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's one of those events, and they say every generation has one.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_05: I know that you know where you are.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_05: You know where you are when this happens.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_05: I think for the previous generation, I know the one was uh what when Kennedy was shot, I think.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: Kennedy, and then when the uh Challenger uh went down, um the space shuttle.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_05: So I remember Challenger.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_05: I was in L'Asia.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: I was in school at the time.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_05: We're about the same age.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_05: I think I'm a little older.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: But so I remember Challenger.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I do too.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_05: So we have 9-11.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I hate to say it because it's uh different, not as tragic, but the O.J.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_05: Simpson.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was I was mowing my neighbors along.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone knows where they are when that happened, too.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_05: I was at a radio station in Joplin, Missouri when that happened.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_05: And we were once again gathered around a small TV.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone was giving me grief because, of course, being from Buffalo and he was the Buffalo Bills running back for all those years, they were just giving me all the business about it.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_05: And it was that was a fascinating thing as well.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: That was fascinating.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: And the next day, the the cost of white Ford Broncos went through the roof.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, everyone wanted to get a Ford Bronco because of that.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_05: So, how well was that?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: So, yeah, everyone's every generation has those, you know, seminal moments, and it's weird that that gets lumped into it.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: But I remember.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, and it's interesting too that obviously we remember this and and you know, being cops, and we we had plenty of cops that came to us after 9-11.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, Oh, you know, I want to become a police officer.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: We had some uh we had some former military, we had a handful of former military that worked here.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: 9-11 happened, they went straight to the recruitment.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_05: Sergeant Brett Faust, he was National Guard Army.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, they had to get deployed.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um we had a former cop, James Wright, went down, uh signed up, uh re-upped, and was deployed overseas.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: And then, uh, and we spoke about it a little bit this morning on the radio, but uh, I've got the police academy under my command now.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: We've got a lot of young cops in there that weren't born when this happened.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: That's wild that you think of.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: The young folks that, you know, are dedicated to a career in law enforcement, or the young men and women um that choose to serve the in the military weren't weren't born when uh when this happened.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: And shout out to my daughter, uh senior at Nashville High School, Gabby Rollins.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_03: She has been mission-driven for about the past four years to to go to the United States Naval Academy.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: She wants a career in the Navy, and and she's studied 9-11 in her history books, but uh she wasn't born when it happened.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: So it's neat to see the impact it's had on young people that that weren't alive when it happened.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_05: So have you and Gabby talked about it like this week, like right around now, because she studied it for so long, but have you guys talked about it?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, in fact, personal perspective being what it is.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Just last night we were um Chuck Edwards' office hosted a uh Service Academy orientation.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: All the the senators and and congressmen do that because you need an endorsement to get in.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we went to that uh last night, went out to eat afterwards, and um Yeah, and she was asking, you know, one of the um representatives for West Point uh was there.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: He heads up the ROTC program at Reynolds High School, uh, went to West Point career in special forces, and she was asking, you know, what what exactly is special forces?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I was explaining to her, so you know, an elite unit within the army where during 9-11 they were they they're trained to go behind enemy lines, train the locals to to fight.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: I said, but when 9-11 happened, they were parachuting in with saddles and horse feed because they were on, they were riding on horses with uh uh Northern Alliance to fight the Taliban.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: So we we were talking about that aspect of it.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_05: I moved here in, like I said, 99 and came from Fayetteville.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_05: Fort Bragg, home of Fort Bragg, and the special forces and all this.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_05: So I got to know a lot of those guys.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_05: So the situation in 99 versus then 2001 and forward, you could just drive on to the base, which I would.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, goodness.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: I I was actually allowed to use their facilities, their gyms.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: One of their guys just gave me an invitation.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: They gave me a name.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_05: I could just drop a name.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_05: And I I said, yeah, uh, Captain Dalton said I can do that.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, go Captain Dalton said okay.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_05: Didn't that's it?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_05: That was that was it.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I so I played basketball in their their gyms, right?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I played bat I was able to actually do their uh paratrooper training.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_05: So they had the wind tunnel.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_05: They had an so I was able to do that just as a civilian.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_05: That's not happening now.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: No, you know, it's funny because we, you know, my daughter, she's mission-driven on Navy, but we've toured all the service academies, and you know, you've got to have identification.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: It it's a it's not an easy process to get in.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: They've got military police, and and we toured the Air Force Academy last winter, and you had to actually contact in advance.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: You it was there's no driving into the base.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: But there was then.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it gets Fort Bragg is very sprawling, it's huge.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, it's huge.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_05: And at the time, Pope Air Force Base was next to it and still open.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: So you have this huge complex of Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_05: There was actually more soldiers than civilians that lived in that area, that Cumberland County area.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_05: And so you saw them everywhere.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_05: And I had friends that were mill it was very, you know, kind of casual almost.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, they were training.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_05: I sure there was you know special forces guys, green berets and everything like, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't treated the same way as it is today.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, my my wife's uh a Navy kid.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh both her parents were in the Navy, so she grew up on on bases.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh she says she was raised by Marines.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah, she's the shift that she's seen too.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: When she was a kid, you know, they just kind of go anywhere, do whatever.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: Not the case.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell I've golfed at uh Paris Island, the Marine.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_05: And the security there I'm here to tell you is is very thorough.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_05: Civilians are allowed to golf at the Paris Island golf course over the Marines, but you've got to go through a thorough security check to do it.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: She um she went to high school, she spent three years of high school at a NATO base in Iceland in Recklovic, and uh she said, Yeah, they just they jumped the fence, they're you know, like running around on the air on the uh airport, you know, the near near the runway.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh my goodness.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't think that either that stuff doesn't watch here.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: Not anymore.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: Not anymore.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_05: So your career is winding down.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you've got about what, six, eight months?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_05: I can go next summer.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, you can, but are you getting it's crazy?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: Have you thought about it?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I have I have.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's nice to be on the tail end.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh I think I'll retire in the summer.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: It it it's interesting to see what the new administration is, what opportunities are there.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's crazy to think.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: I never understood like when there's cops who are eligible to go, like, why are you staying?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't know.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you, I love this place.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: I it it is awesome.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I gotta share the story.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, my I applied here.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: I graduated high school.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: I worked before going to college, went to college, built a high house in Idaho, and then worked as a volunteer in in Central America, taught high school in Honduras, worked in admin with a nonprofit language school in Guatemala, and then wanted to be in the Secret Service for some reason.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, so I was mission driven.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: I came back to the United States, applied with the Secret Service, and the recruiter, I remember his name, Frederick Stone.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: He said, Listen, he said, 95% of who we hire are ex-military, ex-law enforcement.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: He said, Go get three to five years as a cop.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: He said, You're a competitive applicant, you speak Spanish, like you, you, you would be good.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: If if you want to get your master's degree, that could help you out.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: I came here, I got hired, I did my three to five years as a cop, got my master's degree, never reapplied to the Secret Service.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: I absolutely love this department.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm constantly hustling.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm buying peaches at the farmer's market.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, hey, what do you do?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Have you thought about being a cop?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And now at the, you know, I've uh my new assignment where I'm over-recruiting, it's awesome.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: This place sells itself.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: It has been awesome.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's crazy to think of the tail end.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like I could go, but I just love it.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: I love working here.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: I love coming to work.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: There's a con this is awesome.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_05: There's a camaraderie, I think, that exists here that's probably similar to, I think, to a like an athletic locker room of some.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, sure, yeah, yeah.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_05: They always ask the athletes like, do you miss like playing the game, whatever that is?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't miss the game, but I miss the locker room.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: Totally.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: And so I'm thinking that's kind of similar to here.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_05: That would be the thing that would make it difficult to leave is the relationship.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: And you when I've got such a great crew under my command, and and it's it's great to have the new recruits coming in, shape them.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: We run our in-house academy.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, at our recent graduation, one of the one of the cadets that was graduating getting sworn in just spoke to how beneficial it was to him to have an in-house academy so that we can really take charge and and shape it the way we want it to go.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: So it's uh yeah, it's awesome.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we'll check back with you next year in 2027 as we get a little a little bit closer in.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: And at the at the time, I'll say uh what have you heard?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_05: What do you know?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah, I'll beat the bushes.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's the other one.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: Go go beat the bushes.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: Let's let's see what you've heard.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_05: Captain Jeffrey Rollins, thanks for joining me.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_05: Getting to know senior police officer too, Doug Williams.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks for joining me.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for having me.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_05: This kept you out of a ride-along this morning, true or false?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_05: True.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so this is the only reason you're doing this?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, not at all.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_05: So the in the stipulation, I understand, as you told me, I'm not allowed to talk about the Los Angeles Dodgers.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah, because I'm a Yankee fan.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_05: So Okay.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_05: See, I would think this year in particular, and right now in particular, you might want to talk about the Dodgers.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_05: Because we are not good right now, and I'm not seeing anything happen in the playoffs.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_05: But I understand you're still a little bitter from the World Series a few years ago.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_05: I get it.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why you got to bring up some old stuff.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_05: The fifth inning.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_05: That's true.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_05: The fifth inning was It was rough.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm from that area where everyone's Yankees fans, right?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_05: So my whole family is Yankees fans, including my brother and aunts and uncles.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody up there is Yankees fan.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_05: So I heard it my whole life.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_05: So I know all about it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_05: Are you from that area?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: New York City area?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell I'm not from New York City.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: I have a lot of family in Northern Jersey, who's kind of just all been Yankees fans throughout their entire life.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: So I just kind of got indoctrinated into it.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell I guess you you could choose the Yankees, the Mets, or there maybe the Phillies, I guess that'd be your other possible option depending on where in New Jersey you were.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_05: Possibly.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_05: But I get why you didn't choose the Mets.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that's just that's just asking for it.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell That's for sure, yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: So and we can all have common ground if we just say that we don't like Houston.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: Cheaters?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: So uh you grew up there, born there?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell, no, I'm actually from Florida originally.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: Most of my family had left Northern Jersey, went down to South Florida, uh, and now we're back here, uh, which is commonly referred to as a halfbacker.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell, I've been called that as well because I st but I started up there and then went down and came back.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, there's that.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_05: How long were you in Florida?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we moved up here just prior to me starting kindergarten, so about five years old.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell, do you remember much about it?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_04: Probably not, I wouldn't guess, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell, I remember some.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we lived very close to the beach, uh, so it was like beach days constantly down there.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell Which one, which side were you on?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we were on the Atlantic side.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell The Gulf of America side or the Atlantic Ocean side.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: Atlantic side, Fort Lauderdale area.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: So you left Florida at a relatively young age, moved here.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: So most of your schooling was here.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_05: And what was your high school?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: Robertson.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: Go Rams.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_05: Got that in there.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: So when did the idea to become a law enforcement officer come into your head?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Honestly, in in high school.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_04: And really kind of gave me a career goal of what I wanted to do.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: And then went to college, uh, started focusing more on criminal justice.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh went to A B Tech, graduated, and then went out to Western Carolina University where uh I met my roommate out there who is now my beat partner.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, how about that?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: Who's that?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: Vincent Goretto.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell Okay, so you and Goretto went to college together.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell Yes, sir.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_05: How about that?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_05: Now did you decide to join the APD together as well, or is that just coincidence?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell We had both uh grown up here in Asheville, decided that this is where I kind of wanted to be, and ended up I got on, and then Vincent got on, I believe, the year after me.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and now here we are.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: We're working together.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_05: So And you've both been here uh about twelve years, eleven, twelve years, because you just celebrated what they call a swearversary.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, sir.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_05: So you joined the force in 2014.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_05: Correct?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_05: So you've got more than twelve years in, which means that's kind of the halfway point.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: Have you thought about that?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_05: It's getting close.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell There's some wild formula, right?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_05: Days worked plus comp days plus sick days, you add them all up and works into your formula to when you can retire and get your pension.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: And you're about halfway.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_05: Close to it, I would say.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_05: So have you thought about like that at all?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_05: Like the next stage, or is it still like nah too far to go?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's I'm there.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um my next stage is promoting.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's what I really want to do.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_04: I want to promote a sergeant and be a road sergeant for a while.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_05: So right now, senior police officer two.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_05: And I see you got the they they started updating the uniforms and things like that with different insignias a few years ago.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_05: So that kind of provides some recognition for guys that have you know spent a lot of time here, which is great.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_05: So you'd like to be a sergeant?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_04: That's me.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I want to do.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_05: What part of town do you work now?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_05: West Asheville.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: So I lived over there for about 10 years, just off of Haywood Road.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_05: Haywood in Vermont, that kind of area there.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_05: Very familiar with it.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: We lived in the first house on Vermont Avenue, and before Universal Joint was Universal Joint, it was a garage.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_05: Do you remember that?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like back in the day when it was just a mechanic.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_05: So we would sit on our front porch and we could see it from there.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I always said to myself, you know, one of these days when this part of town comes around, someone's going to do something with that building because it's a cool-looking building.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: With the blue slate roof and all that.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: And now when I'm really wanting a burger, I go there and get the Steinbeck.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: Their burgers are phenomenal.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: They're great, aren't they?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: They're one of the best ones I've had in Asheville.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_04: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_05: The people that did our wedding cake were at West End Bakery.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_05: They were the first owners of West End Bakery.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_05: That's cool.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_05: There was a group of uh kind of investors and people that started bringing West Asheville back, like when Burgermeister came, and Possibilities was still there before it was the ISIS and all those different things, which was an unfortunate name for the theater.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, absolutely.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, you couldn't predict there'd be a major terrorist organization with the same name, though.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_05: So it wasn't really their fault.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_05: So the West End Bakery, uh, they did our wedding cake, and the night of our wedding, we come home from it, and of course our house is right there in Vermont Avenue, and we're getting out of our car, and it's been a long day, and we hear like in the distance, Congratulations, and we're looking around like, what the and they're like, up here.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_05: And so the people that uh I think her name was Krista, they were standing on top of the Bledsoe building, which is where Westville Pub is located.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_05: And apparently they had all just invested in that property as well.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_05: And so they were celebrating with like a drink on top of the Bledsoe building, and we were down below at like, I don't know, one or two o'clock in the morning, right?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_05: And so that's kind of my little West Asheville and then the then the neighborhood really started to come around and all the businesses and everything like that.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_05: Now they got a major road project.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell Absolutely.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell So has has that interfered with anything you guys have done now?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_05: Because now with all the construction going on there, has that caused any hiccups?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Not really.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: More so with the uh the ADA compliant uh walkways that they're installing out there.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: They're already starting to collect a bunch of scuff marks from tires people run them over.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus Right, because they've got like little bump outs where it is and it's supposed to help with, I guess, the bicycles too and the ADA stuff.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_05: So they try and lead out so pedestrian walkways are safer.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_05: So I get the idea, but if you're not ready for it, I'm guessing people have popped their tires going right over those things.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell, I'm sure.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_05: You know?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_05: And you guys got to be on the lookout as well.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_05: So do you like West Asheville?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I spent my almost my entire career out there.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there was one brief stint uh where I was on our downtown unit for roughly about a year.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: Once I got off the downtown unit, I came right back west.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell So have you had a chance to get out there to work out of the Tanger Outlets, the new location there of the Resource Center?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell I have.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: That new location is is really nice.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I do enjoy it over there.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: It's more kind of out of the way.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: It is nice to occasionally pop back into 970 and be in our old home for a while.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Kind of old school.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_05: I'm with senior police officer Doug Williams, senior police officer to Doug Williams.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_05: So the question, here it comes.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_05: Name one thing that most people don't know about you.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell One thing most people don't know about me is I used to brew my own beer.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: Nice.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_05: So do you don't anymore though, huh?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_04: I still have all the equipment.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: It kind of took a back seat uh having a couple kids.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but I have been looking at getting back into it again.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Well, so we definitely have that in common.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_05: I was a homebrewer at least for a little while.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: There was a great homebrew store that was right there on Haywood Road.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_05: What was uh Hops and Vines.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_05: Hops and Vines is where I used to get all my stuff at.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Alex was the who owned that one.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_05: Very knowledgeable.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_05: I actually took a class there from him on how to brew beer.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_05: And then, of course, I ended up working in the beer business at Palmetto Brewing in Charleston for several years.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm a huge fan of craft beer.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_05: Did you get a chance to enjoy the APD blue light lager that Green Man made last year?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I've got my stockpile at the house.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_05: You still have some?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_05: I do.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's awesome.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_05: I thought they did a great job on that, actually.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_04: I thought the can was really cool.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the nod that Green Man did by sneaking.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: The Green Man into the label.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_04: So uh I thought that that was really interesting, and the the beer itself is really good.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the artwork was fantastic.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_05: It was an early 1900s picture from it's one of the ones that's here in the third floor.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_05: You can actually see it.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: So I thought that was a great job, and we appreciate them doing that for us.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_05: It was a nice uh nice night to get together too.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_05: It was at Green Man, one of my favorite places.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_05: So, what is your favorite style of beer if you had the choice?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell I'm an IPA guy.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I like hoppiness uh and beer, but other than that, uh just a simple lager.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell I'm kind of all over the place.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_05: I'm a very seasonal type of beer drinker, right?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_05: I very much enjoy light lagers and even the low-calorie light IPAs in the summer when it's hot.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_05: You know, just something that's easy.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_05: But here's my favorite time of the year for beer drinking is coming up.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_05: Oktoberfest.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I love me a marzin and an Oktoberfest style.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_05: And even I like I'm one of those people that likes pumpkins.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_05: I enjoy pumpkin, but I'm not drinking it until October.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_05: A hundred percent.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because it's like 90 degrees out, like as we record this right now.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_05: And that does not scream pumpkin beer at all.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: It does not, no.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: But Pum King from Southern Tier would be my favorite pumpkin beer, and I really enjoy that.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_05: I've already got some in my beer cooler.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: That is a good one.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_05: I'm kind of like you, love IPAs though.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and back in the day when I was a little younger and a little thinner, and I could afford the calories and the carbs, I would love like a double IPA, like a stone brewing double, one of those, just the super hoppy stuff.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_05: Wicked Weed Pernicious is a delicious beer.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: But I can't have many of those anymore.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_04: I can only do one or two, and then I can't do it anymore.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's well, part of it for me too is the calories and the carbs.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I'm almost 60, right?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_05: I gotta watch.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_05: You know, and so they're thankfully they do a lot of great beers right now that are low calorie, low ABV.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_05: You can sit back and have a few watching the game, and it really doesn't impact either your waistline or your brain doesn't get all foggy and stuff like that.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: So what is do you have a favorite, an absolute favorite beer?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: Probably my go-to.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I do enjoy like a lot of Oktoberfests.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_04: I do enjoy a lot of the Highland lines.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: So Highland Clawhammer.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: Highland is a great job.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_04: Clawhammer is a good beer.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, everybody's favorite is Cold Mountain.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um I've got uh three years of Cold Mountain in my beer fridge at all time.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: So whenever it is I buy like this year's, I have last year's and the year before, and I will do a blind tasting to see if I can figure out which is which.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: You can definitely tell a difference between the two.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_04: I would say that the one that I'm most frustrated with right now that I that I haven't seen is the original Sierra Nevada goza that they had.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Which one?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Eau Trevay?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_05: That that came out this summer, and I didn't grab it at the time I saw it, and then it was gone.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_04: The original recipe with the prickly pear in it, with the gold can, that was my go-to.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: And then they changed it up with the green label uh lime one.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't as good, but it's still good.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: But that is a perfect hot weather beer.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_05: So that's cool.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_05: So you don't make it anymore, though, huh?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: Not recently.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I do know I definitely want to start getting back into it.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: Still got all your equipment?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: Still got it all.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_05: So as we get uh further in your career, you'd like to be sergeant?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_05: Want to stay in the patrol division?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_05: I would like to.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_05: Do you think that's where your destiny lies?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: Eventually, uh I would like to see myself retiring out at like a lieutenant level, maybe get up to captain.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: Still kind of unclear on that.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: But I do enjoy patrol work.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's the backbone of any law enforcement agency.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and I do enjoy being out there on the road and getting to talk to people uh and answering calls for service.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_05: So as we enter fall, the best time of the year for a lot of things.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_05: We've mentioned beer, also sports, the fall classic, the world series.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_05: We know you're pulling for the Yankees.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: How about football?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: You got a football team?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: Carolina Panthers.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_05: All right, go Panthers.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_05: They're they're looking better as well.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_05: They are.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_05: I thought they made some good signings in the offseason.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I thought they had a good draft class.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_05: Bryce Young, do you think he's got a future there or no?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell, I want to believe in it.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: I think he has potential.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's doing the best he can.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_04: I think if we got him with uh a good, solid receiving core around him and some good protection, I think he could make a good push.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_04: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: And maybe get him about three or four inches because he's kind of short.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: He is.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_05: That's his downfall.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_05: So seems to be the thing holding him back right now.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_05: And that's what I hear from all Panthers fans is kind of that thing.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, you know, I want to believe.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_05: And there's times that he looks really good, but so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's it.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_05: Just gotta play it out.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_05: Senior police officer to Doug Williams.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you so much for joining me today.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well, thank you for having me.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_05: I appreciate it.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_05: Joining me now, and welcome back to Hannah Silberman, another History Minute.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for coming in, Hannah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Glad to be here.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_05: So we're kicking off another renovation, a big construction project here at the municipal building, which essentially is because of structural issues, uh, mostly what it says here is the municipal building, Capital Repairs and Restoration Project, is a structural repair project to demolish and replace the elevated slab floor of fire station one, the bay.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_05: They never had any idea that they'd have fire trucks that weighed like 20 tons or whatever they do right now.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: So the existing slab is structurally insufficient.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: So they're redoing that.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_05: And while they're redoing that, some other improvements are being made to bring the building into the modern era, essentially.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: So uh forensics will have a larger area, eventually our downstairs gym, first floor gym will be slightly larger and take the opportunity to do some improvements throughout the building.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_05: But this is going to be lasting a while.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: It just started, and the uh Bloom Construction Company is uh handling things downstairs that are already getting set up.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_05: So that's exciting.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_05: And the last time we had it was uh a big renovation.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_05: Matter of fact, the room that we're in, the podcast studio on the on the third floor, this is one of the rooms I think that was in addition at the time.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: So that was 1998, right?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, in 1998.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Let's go back to the beginning, because this was not the first building that was used by the Asheville Police Department.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_05: That was just down the street, right?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Yeah.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So our original building was actually on what is now Pack Square.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it would have been the original courthouse in 1892.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell For those people uh that work for the Asheville Police Department that have a copy of your history book, they can see a photo of that building.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_05: Now that was a beautiful building.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's a shame that it went away.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: There is an older courthouse built in the 1800s.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: They demolished it to make room for the city hall and the city market in 1895.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a really pretty building.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's got this real pretty round tower and beautiful stonework and arches and kind of a multi-level look, and it was right there on the square.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell Is there any explanation though why they demolished it?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: They just didn't like the location, or was it something structurally, or was it the rats?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell I think it was the rats.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently they said that the city market was just I think I actually have a quote.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: The city market was crawling with rats, the sanitation issues were significant, and they were running out of space.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell So it's easier to tear a building down than get rid of the rodents.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_05: It seems excessive.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they had grand plans for our city hall because that was the fire department, our city offices, our city administration, city hall, and the police department in Asheville had grown quite a lot between 1900 and the 1920s when we needed those buildings.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: So they wanted a police fire standalone station, and then they built our beautiful city hall a few years later.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Okay.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: So let's fast forward to this building and its construction and opening, which was approximately a hundred years ago.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: They started the planning for the municipal building in 1924, and the city really went crazy on the plans.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: They they spared no expense.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was the boom era of the city, and they spent a lot of money on all types of infrastructure during that time.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so they uh sold um a number of properties to try to budget for it.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: So they budgeted$250,000, which in 1920s money, but the all of the bids for what they wanted were over$300,000.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: So they ended up awarding a contract for$300,000.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: So in today's money, that's about$5.5 million.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell, which really honestly is not that expensive for a large municipal building.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus So August of 1924, they said it would take eight months and they would have it open by the spring of 1925.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: But as those projects go, it did not stay on schedule.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I don't think there's ever been a construction project in the history of mankind, especially a large one like in a city, in a municipality that's started and ended on time.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus The city commissioners last time did get some pushback for the cost, but they said, and I quote, it was an investment in the future of Asheville that will reap untold benefit to every resident and visitor.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that included things like the libraries, school buildings, parks improvements.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: And they also wired the original police signal system, which I'm not sure if I've talked about, into this building.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: They had this big signal room for the police and fire departments for these little call boxes, which was pretty neat.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it took them a full extra year to complete it, so it wasn't done until January of 1926.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Well, I mean, they're not wrong.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_05: It did have a huge benefit for the community and continues to, as this houses the headquarters for police and also station one for the fire department.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it and this has been a hundred years now in use.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_05: Have both fire and police been using it the entire time?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell Yes.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they have.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Of course, back a hundred years ago, those uh trucks were probably wagons, I would guess.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_05: Were they no, they wouldn't have been vehicular.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_05: They would have been towed by those would have been towed by horses, I would guess, right?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_05: All right.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_05: But still, those would have been incredibly light by today's standards.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_05: When you see some of the trucks that pull out of there now, like those the two-piece ones, we have driver in the front, driver in the back.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what those things weigh, but that's got to be five times what they used to.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Well, we did totally upgrade the building later in the 1990s.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: So they would have hopefully upgraded that structural part of the floor, but we never know.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell Was there any kind of renovation between the opening and the 1998 renovations or just maybe a little here and there?
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Yeah, there were.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: There was one big one in the 1960s.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: So when they built the municipal building in 1926, it was actually mostly a city market.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: So just the very front parts of the building belonged to the police and fire departments.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then there was a 128-foot by 138-foot room with tile floors and counters and places for meat, vegetable, and fruit vendors and refrigerated storage in the basement.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: But it was only used that way for a few years because when the Great Depression came, it became kind of a what they considered not a good use of money.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_05: We would call that the first floor.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_05: I would call it the basement.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_05: I kind of just do.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_05: The first floor, but when you come in the front of the building, what we call the front of the building, that's like the second slash third floor.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's like both, because we're a split-level building.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_05: It's a very very kooky type formatted building.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there was a mezzanine for that.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so basically they took the mezzanine and made it a full floor in the back.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um in late 1957, they did do a pretty big remodel to make more room for specifically for the police and fire.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: So in between that time, they sort of rented out the space in the back of the building to various organizations.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: But the police department, the fire department needed more space.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the one of the big improvements they made was a lounge for women visitors, and they actually added more women's bathrooms because until they did the renovations in the 1990s, our building did not have a women's locker room.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: So female police officers did not have a separate facility to use.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_05: So I guess that wasn't part of any kind of plan.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Of course not.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: They moved the records department forward because before it had kind of been in this kind of a harder-to-reach place.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And they built a dispatch room.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell So and we're due, I guess you'd say, for a renovation, not just because of the things that need to be done, but if you look at the timeline, so it originally opens in 1926.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_05: Then there's a major renovation in 57.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_05: So you're talking about 30 years later.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell Well, they didn't finish those upgrades until 1964.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_05: So it took them seven years?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: Well that I guess that's doing it while people are here and you know that being that.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_05: And so then again, was there anything between then and nineteen ninety-eight?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean there were there were small upgrades, but no, not not a major.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, so then you're talking about ninety-eight is the next one.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_05: So now you're talking about, well, from completion in the 60s to the another 30-something year gap.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_05: And now here we are again with another about 30-year gap between renovations and showing you that uh it's definitely needed structurally, of course, but also for just modern policing.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell Yeah, absolutely.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: So in 1997, the city initiated the municipal building renovations, and a big part was things like women's locker rooms, but also accessibility.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: So our facilities weren't accessible, there were stairs, there were lots of wacky things, no elevators, or the elevators didn't work.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it cost$11.5 million in 1997, and they started moving people out in about 1998.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_05: So how long was it a jail?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_05: I've seen the pictures that you showed me where they bricked over a lot of was it the fourth floor, I guess, right?
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_05: And so the jail was in the fourth floor.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_05: How long did that operate?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Ross Powell So the City jail, we had a city court system, and the city jail was discontinued in the 1970s when they did the district court system that we have today.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: So they eliminated all of the local municipalities court system.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: So they would keep people convicted of misdemeanors and the city jail.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: But if you were anything worse than that, you would go over to the county jail.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they consolidated into everyone just went to the county jail and we shut down the city one.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell But those windows remained bricked for like another 20 years until the 90s renovation, or did that happen before then?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Powell I don't know why they bricked them over, but they did.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then they bricked over a bunch of the windows in the front because they had made a communications room there at some point, also in the late 1970s, early 1980s.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess they thought for security they needed to brick over all the windows.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell And when they bricked those windows, that picture that you have right there, that's just what a hideous look.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_05: That is just an ugly, ugly I'm not sure who decided that was a good idea.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, have they not heard about bars?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_05: They could have just put bars would look better than bricks.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_05: And that's something to say that.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: So that has now been exposed with the renovation that occurred in the nineties.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: And some of those windows are beautiful.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_05: Big arched windows like for the office of the chief of police and some.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: Others there were large windows, so they let in a lot of light.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_05: So that's got to change a lot of things.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_05: So I understand this area here, the third floor, was a major focus of the 1998 renovation.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_05: So which explains why our HVAC system is a little bit jacked.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_05: So there's all these different areas and zones and it's frequently breaking.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_05: And just last week it was like broken and in the 80s in here it was just incredibly hot.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know if that's part of the job they're doing now.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think so.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_05: But here's part of the Muni renovation uh that's happening right now.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_05: Construction just began.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: So essentially about a week or two ago, right around Labor Day had started.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_05: Construction materials and equipment began arriving.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_05: They're doing it while we're working here.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_05: So they're trying to, you know, not disrupt anything.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_05: But I don't know if you heard the noise.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_05: I heard the noise.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_05: They were pounding yesterday doing some things.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_05: Fire and police operations remain in service, uh, the police station will be open to the public, the front is still accessible to the public, and Fire Station One continues to operate as Fire Station One.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_05: So that's quite the trick, actually, when you think about it, to be able to do what they're going to do and still have this building remain open.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_05: That being said, forensics will be kind of half and half for a while, and then eventually they'll move into a new room, not far from where they are now, and the gym is actually completely being moved for a period of time, maybe six months down the street to another city-owned building temporarily.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_05: So lots going on.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: There's always a big challenge just like whenever you're dealing with the public safety agencies that have to continue operating and go 24-7, which is what do you do with them when you have to upgrade the facilities or their buildings?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's what the city is doing a good job navigating that and letting us continue to work.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because when they did the the renovations in the 1990s, they had to literally relocate all of the administrator personnel to different buildings and different places, and they had to move and get shuffled all around, and it it was a lot harder to try to continue your mission, you know, when you're just left.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_05: Well and the fire department admin has had to do that because their area in the fourth floor where they were located previously is gonna be right above the structural work.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_05: So they're actually now in the Jackson building next door.
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  SPEAKER_05: I haven't heard the permanent plan for them because a lot of the police facilities, the recruiting and all that you're on the fourth floor as well, have moved into what was their area.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I would imagine there's a new building for them or something in the future.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_05: They're probably not going to stay in the Jackson building forever, which is another building with a lot of history.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_05: Hannah Silberman, thank you for joining me for The History Minute.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's it for another edition of the APD Pod Squad.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you to my guest, Captain Jeffrey Rollins.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't discussed, but he was recently promoted, so congratulations to him.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well deserved.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_05: Also, thank you to Senior Police Officer to Doug Williams and Hannah Silberman with The History Minute.
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