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Symbolism in the Harry Potter World | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Germ Warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas lud regards. Thank you again for joining me
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Speaker 1: in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me on here.
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Speaker 1: I need to make it clear that I have never
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Speaker 1: read Harry Potter and I've never watched the movies. However,
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Speaker 1: I had to do a huge amount of homework in
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Speaker 1: a very short space of time, so please go easy
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Speaker 1: on me.
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Speaker 2: Oh sure, I want to treat you as a Harry
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Speaker 2: Potter fan.
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Speaker 1: So having said that, my wife is a huge fan.
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Speaker 1: She's got all the books, and she's watched all the
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Speaker 1: movies multiple times, and I think probably most of the
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Speaker 1: world has. I mean, it's it's an incredibly, incredibly part
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Speaker 1: of the popular cultures.
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Speaker 2: Guys. I got into it because my son's loved it.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, why is Harry Potter so important? Do you think?
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Speaker 2: Well? He he he expresses something, or he touches something
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Speaker 2: that goes far deeper than the conscious awareness of people,
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Speaker 2: which is touching something that is really happening at the moment.
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Speaker 2: So it's in a way like talking wrote about the
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Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings that he eventually on a few
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Speaker 2: occasions that I know that I'm writing the truth in
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Speaker 2: many ways, Jacob Rowling is writing the truth, some truth
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Speaker 2: about our time in a symbolic way that the mind
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Speaker 2: or the human spirit deep in the mind understands and
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Speaker 2: understands on a deeper level. And actually, I think that
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Speaker 2: if any writing doesn't really touch something in the depth
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Speaker 2: of the human mind, it won't really become popular or
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Speaker 2: as popular as these two have become. So there's some
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Speaker 2: truth into it, and that's why I started writing about
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Speaker 2: it first, the book about the Symbolism, where I explained
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Speaker 2: all the figures and all the the aspects of it
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Speaker 2: hawkwards itself, the four houses, the meaning of the different wizards,
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Speaker 2: the meaning of the kids, which are at the center
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Speaker 2: of this might which might be a good starting point
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Speaker 2: to start with Harry Potter, Ron and Hermione if we just.
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Speaker 1: Zoom out a little bit, a little bit. You previously
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Speaker 1: said to me that, in your opinion, Tolkien was a genius.
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Speaker 1: Do you think Growling is also a genius?
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Speaker 2: Yes, she is, and but I see that genius only
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Speaker 2: in the in the seven Harry Potter films, the other
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Speaker 2: things she did somehow, so there is you have to
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Speaker 2: be a genius. And for for something to write something
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Speaker 2: as powerful as Harry Potter, you also have to have
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Speaker 2: that that connection to the divine. And I think with
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Speaker 2: when she wrote Harry Potter she had done and like
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Speaker 2: with a Fantastic Beast and the other stuff, she didn't
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Speaker 2: have it. And you can you can see, you can
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Speaker 2: feel that.
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Speaker 1: So your overarching argument is that the whole Harry Potter
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Speaker 1: universe is a spiritual allegory of humanity.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it other because allegory is something that, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you see, the human mind has different levels. We have
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Speaker 2: this energetic mind, which comes from from our biology, where
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Speaker 2: you have things like like desire, envy, jealousy. That's that's
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Speaker 2: aspects of the energetic mind. Then you have the mental mind,
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Speaker 2: where you have all the thoughts, and then you have
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Speaker 2: the spiritual mind, which goes deeper, where you have the
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Speaker 2: essence of who we are. The love, the joy, the innocence.
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Speaker 2: That's all part of the spiritual level, which is who
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Speaker 2: we are. And and Tolkien has for that has the dwarfs,
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Speaker 2: the men, and and the elves for these three, these
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Speaker 2: three levels and allegories. And Tolkien for instance, didn't like
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Speaker 2: allegories at all. He didn't like his work to be
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Speaker 2: considered an allegory. Allegories work on the mental level. It's
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Speaker 2: like you'd say something symbolically, you think about it and
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Speaker 2: you see the analogy to the real world. What he
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Speaker 2: wrote and also what Harry Potter is is one level deeper.
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Speaker 2: It speaks not to the to the mental level, but
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Speaker 2: to the to who we are, which is a deeper level.
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Speaker 2: So we see it's very meaningful, but the mind on
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Speaker 2: the mental level, we don't really understand why this touches
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Speaker 2: us so much because it speaks directly to who we
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Speaker 2: are as a human being, and that's the highest form
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Speaker 2: of art for me, and for me talking is actually
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Speaker 2: the supreme master in this and with Harry Potter, Jaki
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Speaker 2: Rowling did a very good job as well.
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Speaker 1: So instead of it being an allegory, it's more of
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Speaker 1: a of holding up a mirror to humanity.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a message to the spirit because it's
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Speaker 2: what's in the spirit, I mean, what's ultimately there is
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Speaker 2: the battle between the love that we are and the
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Speaker 2: ego that tries to to reign instead of the love,
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Speaker 2: because love and ego is two things that exclude each other.
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Speaker 2: It's the two sides the light and the darkness. And
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Speaker 2: that's where the battle is with the good wizards and
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Speaker 2: the bad wizards. Is the good wizards is our is
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Speaker 2: our real essential qualities, our spiritual qualities, and the bad
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Speaker 2: Wizards is the aspects of the ego that tries to
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Speaker 2: really take over and reign instead of love.
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Speaker 1: So it's the fall of human consciousness into let's say darkness,
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Speaker 1: which would be the ego and related abstract concepts, and
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Speaker 1: then about our way back into the consciousness of life.
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Speaker 2: It's as a whole. If if you look at the
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Speaker 2: condition of the world as a whole, we've very much
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Speaker 2: lost a way and everyone is I mean particularly also
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Speaker 2: Western calsh. In the last like sixty sixty or so years,
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Speaker 2: we've very much celebrated the ego you can have your way,
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Speaker 2: and also with the with the LG TBq agenda that
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Speaker 2: they have pushed in the last decades. You can be
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Speaker 2: whatever you want. You don't have to respect natural limits.
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Speaker 2: If you're born a boy, you can be a woman.
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Speaker 2: If you're born a girl, you can be a man.
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Speaker 2: And everything everything is pleasing to the human ego. You
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Speaker 2: can do whatever you want, but of course we cannot
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Speaker 2: because there are rules and there's divine things that that
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Speaker 2: are givens that we must accept as they are. But
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Speaker 2: the last like sixty years have been an increasing just
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Speaker 2: celebration of the human ego, and the more people fell
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Speaker 2: for their ego, the bigger a mess this well became.
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Speaker 2: And we are very much on this dark side now
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Speaker 2: through basically through the mainstream media, because they alured.
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Speaker 1: Us there, the media in conjunction with governments.
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Speaker 2: They controlled by all the same people, the governments and
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Speaker 2: the media and the big corporations that the same people
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Speaker 2: people who want chayos. Because if we move away from
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Speaker 2: who we are, we can be easily manipulated, and they
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Speaker 2: have all the power. That's why they always try to
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Speaker 2: get us away from from the real things and into usions,
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Speaker 2: because then if we go for the illusions of our ego,
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Speaker 2: we lose all our power.
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Speaker 1: A number of critics of Wotter and Rowling have argued
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Speaker 1: that her work itself, Harry Potter itself, is a deflection
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Speaker 1: and and by getting caught up in it is a
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Speaker 1: distraction from all the things that you're speaking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't understand the symbolic meaning of the figures, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean. There was a lot of criticisms from particularly
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Speaker 2: from the churches, from the from the from the Christian
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Speaker 2: camp who who thought, well, wizards, this is all going
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Speaker 2: into dark magic and whatever they speak about, it's luing
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Speaker 2: them away from the real religion. I don't see. I
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Speaker 2: don't see it that way because if you look at
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Speaker 2: the meaning, if you if you analyze the symbolism, and
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Speaker 2: you see it's it's really showing the battle that's going on.
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Speaker 2: And also, yeah, the effect of the whole thing as
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Speaker 2: I never felt negative or down after reading this, after
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Speaker 2: reading a Harry Potter, it was it always had this
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Speaker 2: chantastic effect. Also sometimes you know the katasis that you
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Speaker 2: go through something and you feel clearer afterwards or like
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Speaker 2: relieved or whatever. I never felt that there was a
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Speaker 2: negative after effect of reading Harry Potter. No, no, I
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Speaker 2: mean you haven't read it, so you can't. I can't
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Speaker 2: join that discussion.
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Speaker 1: But it's interesting you mentioned LGBTQ moment ago. I mean
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Speaker 1: Raleigh herself has been a perpetual victim of such attacks, although.
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Speaker 2: I mean she is also a feminist, which is like
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Speaker 2: part of the agenda.
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Speaker 1: What does that Yeah, what does that even mean?
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Speaker 2: Though? Yeah, the way feminism was made popular was the
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Speaker 2: first thing they fought for was the right to abort,
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Speaker 2: so the right to kill unborn babies, which is pretty
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Speaker 2: satanic thing to do if you do that on a
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Speaker 2: mask basis. And so the whole concept was there too.
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Speaker 2: And then to weaponize women against men. So the whole
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Speaker 2: thing was there to destroy families behind feminism. Okay, Rowling's
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Speaker 2: understanding of feminism is more to protect women, to protect
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Speaker 2: women's spaces in public, which is now questions by allowing
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Speaker 2: men to go into women's spaces, which she is absolutely
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Speaker 2: right to be angry about, and really to fight for
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Speaker 2: the protection of women. Sure. Yeah, but she's colliding with
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Speaker 2: the lg TPQ. That's true.
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Speaker 1: You've created a framework of the books, which you would
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Speaker 1: call the seven Chakras framework. Take me through some of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I explained the seven chakras already when I explained
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Speaker 2: the talking symbolism. Where you have when you look at
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Speaker 2: the tree of life, you have these seven levels. You
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Speaker 2: have the physical level, the physical level, the energetic level,
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Speaker 2: then you have the mental level. Then at the center
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Speaker 2: of the seven you have the heart which connects everything.
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Speaker 2: Then you have the spiritual level, you the soul level,
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Speaker 2: and at the top you have got the divine level
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Speaker 2: and the human experience of there's a spiritual journey goes
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Speaker 2: from from the physical level to the direct connection on
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Speaker 2: not not not connection with God ultimately, but the experience
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Speaker 2: of being one with God. That's that's the ultimate goal
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Speaker 2: that we are. We are this that we try to,
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Speaker 2: we are the love that we try to bring it,
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Speaker 2: this world into this world. And the seven books, I mean,
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Speaker 2: the number seven is it's already important in Talkiing's world,
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Speaker 2: but it's even more important with Uh, with Rolling because
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Speaker 2: she has seven books. She has UH, she has these
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Speaker 2: seven hawk cruxes. She has what else is seven seven
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Speaker 2: kids of the Weasleys, and so the the first the
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Speaker 2: first book is about this physical level, which is ultimately
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Speaker 2: the awakening to the fact that this life is more
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Speaker 2: than just physical existence and there is something deep, far deeper,
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Speaker 2: and far more valuable to to gain. If we use
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Speaker 2: our human life properly for the for the purpose of
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Speaker 2: finding out who who we really are, Like if we
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Speaker 2: if we use this life to you know, to just
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Speaker 2: eat and drink and sleep and procreate and just enjoy
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Speaker 2: this physical level of it, then we miss who we
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Speaker 2: truly are as a human being. Because any animal does
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Speaker 2: that but as humans we are we have one potential
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Speaker 2: more than animals. Animals can never step outside their own biologic,
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Speaker 2: biological nature, their own instincts that define them. But as
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Speaker 2: humans we can. We can look at ourselves and and
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Speaker 2: we can go beyond that and uh and find the
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Speaker 2: essence of who we are. Because the love that we
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Speaker 2: are is not defined by biology. It's not it's not
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Speaker 2: it's there's no organ I mean, of course the love
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Speaker 2: is in the heart, but that's not well, it's it's
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Speaker 2: not the physical body who defines that. Yeah, where's your
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Speaker 2: question or what? What? What should I talk about?
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Speaker 1: Well, so let's start with a quick overview. So you
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Speaker 1: have Harry who he's what he starts off in the story,
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Speaker 1: he's eleven years old, and he finds out that a
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Speaker 1: wizard killed his parents, Lord Voldemort uh and and then
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Speaker 1: he's invited to go to Hogwarts to learn which.
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Speaker 2: Grafts and the other way around. He first finds out
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Speaker 2: he's a wizard and goes to Hawkwarts and eventually in
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Speaker 2: Hawkwards he finds out that dark Wizard killed his parents
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Speaker 2: and that that dark Wizard is still after him throughout
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Speaker 2: the seven books he's he's after Harry yeah, yeah, Harry.
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Speaker 2: Harry is a symbol. So she made the task of
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Speaker 2: finding out what symbolic meaning the figures have. She made
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Speaker 2: that far easier by giving them what she called a
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Speaker 2: patronis or an animagus, so a certain animal that that
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Speaker 2: that the wizards can either turn into or produce as
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Speaker 2: a patronis, which is a light form for their protection.
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Speaker 2: And he has the patrooners of a stag who has
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Speaker 2: these And this is a symbol for the aspiration to
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Speaker 2: the divine because it always points to Heaven. I switch
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Speaker 2: it off, sorry, And so that's a symbol for aspiring
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Speaker 2: to the truth, to the divine. And with Harry's entrance
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Speaker 2: into the wizard world, the whole story begins, which symbolizes
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Speaker 2: that the spiritual path starts with us wanting to treat
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Speaker 2: that path. It's having the aspiration code. There is something deeper,
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Speaker 2: there's a higher truth. I want to know that. That's
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Speaker 2: how the spiritual path begins. So that's when he enters
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Speaker 2: and finds out everything else. So Hogwarts itself is a
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Speaker 2: symbol of human life, of the school of life, you
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Speaker 2: could say the spiritual school of life. How life teaches
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Speaker 2: us to develop spiritually. That's howkwarts.
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Speaker 1: So you've got Harry who's the protagonist, and he transforms
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Speaker 1: from a timid, abused child into I suppose the hero.
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Speaker 2: Well he is. Okay, there's a duality here. You have
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Speaker 2: wizards and you have muggles. Have you heard the term muggles?
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Speaker 2: The non wizards those without any wizarding capabilities and the
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Speaker 2: muggles is this aspect of our mind that only considers
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Speaker 2: this physical and visible and perceivable world as real and
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Speaker 2: everything deeper is nonsense. And then the my God, the
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Speaker 2: family that he grows up with, they always call the
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Speaker 2: wizarding world abnormal and they have all these downgrading words
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Speaker 2: for it. That's that's kind of the the attitude of
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Speaker 2: normal people, you could say, towards anything that is spiritual,
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Speaker 2: that is really going for something deeper. So but when
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Speaker 2: you enter the spiritual path, you leave that world. You
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Speaker 2: know there is something or you feel there is something deeper,
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Speaker 2: and you want to know, want to find out what
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Speaker 2: what is really what is life really about? And that's
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Speaker 2: that's awkwards finding out this or God and going this path,
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Speaker 2: trading this path, and then you have this development outwards.
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Speaker 2: You have the problems that you have on the different
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Speaker 2: level on the physical level, on the energetic level, on
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Speaker 2: the mental level, on the hard level. There's different problems
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Speaker 2: which she describes through the problems that happen in these
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Speaker 2: seven different volumes, and always coming to the point where
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Speaker 2: you can step one step higher on the ladder, which
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Speaker 2: is ultimately what is happening at the end of each volume,
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Speaker 2: all right, and the ultimate goal finding out who we are,
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Speaker 2: that the ego has no more pull on us, but
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Speaker 2: we know who we are. That's the final goal. That's
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Speaker 2: at the end when Voldemort is killed. So that's then
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Speaker 2: the reaching knowing who we are, that's the goal.
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Speaker 1: Well, you may muggles Harmony comes from so yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: as perfection ast to studies excessively in books all the time. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So his two best friends symbolize what we need
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Speaker 2: most on the path and Hermioni symbolizes you could say,
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Speaker 2: proper thinking or just common sense, analog to Frodo for
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Speaker 2: in Harry Potter in Lord of the Rings, Froto is
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Speaker 2: the most important person in Harry Potter. She's the one
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Speaker 2: of the two most important friends of Harry. So we
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Speaker 2: need proper thinking is the other one. So Ron Weasley
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Speaker 2: comes from the Weasley family, which is the weasel. If
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Speaker 2: you look at the weasel, there's some pictures of weasels.
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Speaker 2: They have ears that are this big, and when you
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Speaker 2: look at that from the front, they look like a heart.
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Speaker 2: So the Weasley family is a symbol of different hard
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Speaker 2: qualities and ron and there there again he has his
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Speaker 2: patronis is a Jack Russell Terrier, I think, which is
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Speaker 2: considered particularly for his loyalty. So and as a member
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Speaker 2: of the Weasley family, he symbolizes always to be true
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Speaker 2: to your own heart. So he symbolizes the heart and
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Speaker 2: they being staying true, staying true to who you are
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Speaker 2: in your heart. So you have this level you have,
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Speaker 2: you have this orientation on the path he has. So
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Speaker 2: always respect common sense and always respect the feeling in
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Speaker 2: your heart. So never go against common sense, never go
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Speaker 2: against your heart. That's the best orientation on the past.
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Speaker 2: So that's why the two are his best friends.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't come from a muggle family from correct, No,
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Speaker 1: he comes from.
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Speaker 2: A wizarding because love is always the hard qualities are
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Speaker 2: always spiritual and and okay, Harmione comes from a muggle
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Speaker 2: family of course, non spiritual people. We all need common sense,
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Speaker 2: we all need proper thinking. But spiritual path is not
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Speaker 2: about just follow your heart and do whatever your heart wants.
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Speaker 2: It's you need common sense all the time. You need
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Speaker 2: proper thinking when you treat the past. And this qualities
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Speaker 2: that she stands for is very helpful if you actually
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Speaker 2: you do need proper thinking on the path, particularly in
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Speaker 2: the in the in the world as chaotic as it
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Speaker 2: is today.
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Speaker 1: Am I correct in seeing an interesting parallel between Ron
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Speaker 1: Weasley and Sam Wise?
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Speaker 2: Well, all spiritual qualities are somehow related some ways. Is
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Speaker 2: this uh the symbolism of uh staying optimistic as an attitude? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: not because there's reason to be optimistic, but because of
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Speaker 2: the truth that if you if you lose your optimism,
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Speaker 2: you cannot reach anywhere. And we and on what we
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Speaker 2: need today is also as a as a human society,
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Speaker 2: we need to stay optimistic that we can still bring
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Speaker 2: love into this We we can still really achieve peace
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Speaker 2: and harmony in society, although it doesn't look like it
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Speaker 2: ever will be or whatever. But if we lose optimism,
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Speaker 2: there's no more path. So optimism and of course staying
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Speaker 2: true to you on heart is some what related, but
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Speaker 2: it's not the same really, So yeah, there is some parallels,
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Speaker 2: but it's it's slightly different.
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Speaker 1: You have Dumbledore, who's the wise and kind headmaster of Hogwarts,
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Speaker 1: and he's he's a famous, i think, powerful wizard, but
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Speaker 1: but yet remains humble.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and he's he's he's always focused on on on
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Speaker 2: what is Valdemot doing and always always has in his mind. Well,
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Speaker 2: we have to see that Valdemont doesn't do too much damage.
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Speaker 2: So his patronus is a phoenix, and a phoenix is
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Speaker 2: a symbol for the consciousness beyond, beyond time and space,
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Speaker 2: so the actually the unity consciousness. So he symbolizes this
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Speaker 2: the sixth chakra, the wisdom charkrate the wisdom that comes
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Speaker 2: from here and is able to pull, to pull its
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Speaker 2: wisdom even from beyond, from beyond this world. So he's
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Speaker 2: a symbol for the supreme wisdom really within the story,
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Speaker 2: and of course he is the most important mentor that
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Speaker 2: Harry has, because the most important knowledge that Harry, Harry
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Speaker 2: ultimately needs comes from Dumbledore. And of course without wisdom,
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Speaker 2: without really gaining wisdom on the path, we have no
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Speaker 2: chance to reach the goal.
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Speaker 1: But doesn't Dumbledore also create events and situations that help
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Speaker 1: Harry deva Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sure as he tells him things that he needs, but
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Speaker 2: he also when he sees well put in other wise,
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Speaker 2: there are a number of things that we need to
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Speaker 2: learn through experience. If someone tells us, it won't help us.
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Speaker 2: You know, also as when you have kids, there's so
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Speaker 2: and so much that you can teach your kids, but
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Speaker 2: you also know that there's certain things you can't prevent
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Speaker 2: them from making mistakes. They have to make their own experiences.
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Speaker 2: And that's that's the kind of attitude that Dumbledore takes.
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Speaker 2: He knows that Harry he will have to find out
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Speaker 2: things for himself. He will have to make mistakes, otherwise
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Speaker 2: he won't really learn.
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Speaker 1: There's the other, Professor Snape. I think it is.
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Speaker 2: Most important figure, most interesting figure. Snape.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't like Harry.
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Speaker 2: It seems so. It seems so because the symbolic meaning
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Speaker 2: of severus snakes it is I haven't I haven't really
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Speaker 2: read any other story where someone created a figure that
28:09
Speaker 2: symbolizes what Snape symbolizes. Because he stands for the law
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Speaker 2: of karma, you could also call him the lord of Karma.
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Speaker 2: So when every whenever Harry does something wrong, somehow Snape
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Speaker 2: appears and gives him or tries to give him a
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Speaker 2: heart punishment, and what karma does is and he punishes
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Speaker 2: him a lot for the things that Harry's father did
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Speaker 2: to him when Snape was at school himself because he
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Speaker 2: was at the same the same grade. So karma is
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Speaker 2: seems to punish us for things that we didn't do.
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Speaker 2: So that's always Harry's feeling. Why is he so hard
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Speaker 2: on me? I didn't do anything, and he's so he's
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Speaker 2: so unfair. He really hates me. That's the sense that
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Speaker 2: you get when you don't understand the laws of karma
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Speaker 2: and things are happening to you in life where it
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Speaker 2: seem I'm so innocent, Why is this happening to me?
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Speaker 2: So that's how how karma goes And it's it's Harry's
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Speaker 2: subjective feeling that he feels he hates me. It's it's
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Speaker 2: when we have this feeling, Okay, there's something in life
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Speaker 2: that really hates me because I have this problem. I
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Speaker 2: have this problem and I didn't do anything. But that's
29:41
Speaker 2: because we don't remember everything we've done in past lives,
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Speaker 2: and we have done things that were wrong and we
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Speaker 2: still have to balance them. And that's that's this figures
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Speaker 2: name so he's he's very interesting because of that, when
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Speaker 2: you understand a little bit of when you have dealt
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Speaker 2: with the laws of karma a little bit through ancient scriptures,
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Speaker 2: you see that he's very well depicted by by Rolling.
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Speaker 2: It's a very, very very well written.
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Speaker 1: So if Harry is the main protagonist, Voldemort is obviously
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Speaker 1: the main antagonist. This wizard who became evil.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's the symbol for the for the human ego,
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Speaker 2: for this tendency that really wants to ignore everything that
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Speaker 2: has been given. So the ego basically, in its in
30:47
Speaker 2: its cruelest form, just one's control, one's power and does
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Speaker 2: not want to be subjected to the divine laws, or
30:59
Speaker 2: rather one looks at the laws and wonders, how can
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Speaker 2: I how can I use these laws to my advantage
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Speaker 2: and to the disadvantage of everyone else. So he also
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Speaker 2: tries or thinks he thinks lo Baldemot thinks that Snape
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Speaker 2: is on his side. And if you're extrapolated to the
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Speaker 2: auto world, the people who are most into just almost
31:31
Speaker 2: driven by the ego, which is the global elites, people
31:36
Speaker 2: who don't mind to kill billions of people who have
31:40
Speaker 2: just nothing left that is in any form human, no empathy, no,
31:43
Speaker 2: no nothing, who just know their own egoistic goals, which
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Speaker 2: ultimately is they want to control the rest of us completely.
31:51
Speaker 2: That's also then the symbol voldemart for because they function
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Speaker 2: only by their ego. There's nothing more, there's nothing human
31:59
Speaker 2: left there. There's no conscience, there's no empathy, there's nothing.
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Speaker 2: They just want power, They just want money, They just
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Speaker 2: want control, and they just want the power to force
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Speaker 2: everyone else to serve them. Right. And if you take
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Speaker 2: anything God given away and let the ego just do
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Speaker 2: as the ego wants without any anything that checks it,
32:29
Speaker 2: then that's that is what Worldermote is. It's like everyone else.
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Speaker 2: It's a certain principle within the human mind, and that's
32:37
Speaker 2: that's the worst part of us. But every every human
32:40
Speaker 2: being has that thing to to think, oh what is
32:44
Speaker 2: what is my what is that for my advantage? How
32:47
Speaker 2: can I use this? So we we we normal humans,
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Speaker 2: we have both within us, and we have this struggle
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Speaker 2: between good and and selfish within us. And that's why
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Speaker 2: the whole story touches so much so many people, because
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Speaker 2: that's that's the human experience that that she's describing.
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Speaker 1: And in your analysis of Harry Potter. You you talk
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Speaker 1: about the center of love and the gateway to to
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Speaker 1: the true self. I mean that is essentially the battle
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Speaker 1: of humility versus ego.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, humility is a quality that we need to not
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Speaker 2: give too much energy to our to our ego. The
33:34
Speaker 2: more humble we manage to be, the more the true
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Speaker 2: self within us can can shine. And the more energy
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Speaker 2: we give to the ego and ego to egoistic goals,
33:48
Speaker 2: the more we go against who we who we really are.
33:51
Speaker 2: Humility is, of course one thing, but the main thing,
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Speaker 2: the main goal is, the main thing that we are
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Speaker 2: is love, and and the main duty or task that
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Speaker 2: every human being has is it's our duty to bring
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Speaker 2: love into this world, to make this world a more loving,
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Speaker 2: more human place. And it's the ego that doesn't want that.
34:19
Speaker 2: Why well, the ego wants control, control and power. But
34:25
Speaker 2: if you have if everything is ruled by compassion, right,
34:32
Speaker 2: if all societies were ruled by compassion, we would see, Okay,
34:36
Speaker 2: this person is suffering, he is starving. Let's take care
34:40
Speaker 2: of everyone and all the resources given to us. We
34:43
Speaker 2: would see that everyone is happy and everyone is having
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Speaker 2: a good life. But the ego, if it wants to
34:49
Speaker 2: accumulate money, if it wants to accumulate assets, if it
34:52
Speaker 2: wants control over others, means, if it gets its way,
34:55
Speaker 2: we're taking away resources from others. We are taking away
34:59
Speaker 2: things from others, and we are creating poverty. So it's
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Speaker 2: either or if you have a world run through compassion.
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Speaker 2: There's no ego that can do anything.
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Speaker 1: But where does ego come from? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Why does it? That's the ultimate human question. Why do
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Speaker 2: we create misery for ourselves? It's the illusion that we
35:23
Speaker 2: think it's the ultimately is the illusion to feel that
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Speaker 2: who we are is separate, can be separate from others
35:35
Speaker 2: because the spiritual level who we are, the love that
35:39
Speaker 2: we truly are, the spiritual truths, the innocence that doesn't
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Speaker 2: separate us from anyone. You see, if you if you,
35:53
Speaker 2: I mean, if you have that experience you have, you
35:55
Speaker 2: have a wife, you have a kid, and you know
35:58
Speaker 2: that the love that you share ultimately one love. There's
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Speaker 2: no separation in love. It's like they are part of you.
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Speaker 2: They're part of the love that you feel that you
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Speaker 2: are and that's ultimately or should be the if we
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Speaker 2: are in our essence, we feel that love connection with
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Speaker 2: everyone we see that love or that divinity in every
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Speaker 2: human being if we make that experience strong, and that's
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Speaker 2: actually the goal of the spiritual past is to experience
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Speaker 2: us as who we are, and we are that love
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Speaker 2: that we were created from. The reason God created us
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Speaker 2: is love, no other reason.
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Speaker 1: But why do you think that ego was created God?
36:44
Speaker 2: God didn't create ego? That was us and it was
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Speaker 2: an accident. And I don't know if there is a
36:52
Speaker 2: satisfying answer. Why did humans create ego? I don't know.
36:58
Speaker 2: It just happened as an accident, and then we gave
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Speaker 2: energy to it, and then it became bigger and bigger,
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Speaker 2: and then most souls feel, okay, we're also creating suffering
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Speaker 2: for ourselves. And then there is this struggle because it's
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Speaker 2: like having two selves. I mean, the love is the
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Speaker 2: love who we fear we are is oneself, and the
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Speaker 2: ego that one certain things is another self, which is, however,
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Speaker 2: a contradiction, and we all live with this contract if
37:30
Speaker 2: we have both in us, we all live with this
37:33
Speaker 2: contradiction within ourselves.
37:35
Speaker 1: Let me ask my question differently, do you think animals
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Speaker 1: have ego?
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Speaker 2: Not in the human sense, because I mean there in
37:51
Speaker 2: that aspect again, it's a silver marillion, and Tolkien symbolism
37:57
Speaker 2: that goes a bit deeper because he kind of described
38:00
Speaker 2: Vies in the summarim how the ego was created in
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Speaker 2: the Creation story where all the valas sing a song
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Speaker 2: together with the Luvata with the Creator, and then there's
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Speaker 2: one who thinks, oh, let me make my own music.
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Speaker 2: I want my own I don't want to be a
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Speaker 2: part of creation. I want to be the Creator myself.
38:23
Speaker 2: It's this idea, I want to be God myself. But
38:27
Speaker 2: there's only one God, there's only one Love. When we
38:30
Speaker 2: go separate from who we really are, we create a
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Speaker 2: second thing. And the ego is the idea of creating
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Speaker 2: something second, something additionally to God. But God is everything.
38:44
Speaker 2: We cannot create anything additionally to God because God is everything.
38:51
Speaker 2: But we are powerful beings if we create something, if
38:54
Speaker 2: we identify ourselves as something outside of God, which is
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Speaker 2: an illusion because we can never be, but we can
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Speaker 2: give a lot of power and energy to that illusion,
39:08
Speaker 2: and that somehow did happen. That's why we have the
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Speaker 2: world we have. That's why we have the problems we have,
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Speaker 2: because some soul's got the idea, Okay, what if I
39:18
Speaker 2: create this ego and define myself as outside of God,
39:24
Speaker 2: and that's where all the problems come from that we have.
39:28
Speaker 2: And I can't I can't give you, I think I
39:29
Speaker 2: cannot give you a more concrete answer to question.
39:34
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it is a fairly existential question. I
39:36
Speaker 1: understand that, so, Ludwig the I mean, millions and millions
39:44
Speaker 1: of people around the world have read and watched Harry Potter,
39:50
Speaker 1: and I would guess for the most part they see
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Speaker 1: it as entertainment.
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Speaker 2: Sure it is good entertainment.
40:00
Speaker 1: Also, but there's an but there's another level, which is
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Speaker 1: what you're highlighting.
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Speaker 2: It's well written. I mean, she did a really really
40:09
Speaker 2: good job with it.
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Speaker 1: But if we were to go to the next level,
40:15
Speaker 1: how can we extract the symbolism in Harry Potter to
40:21
Speaker 1: dovetail with our daily life?
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Speaker 2: Of course, if you are, so to say, with your
40:34
Speaker 2: own consciousness, if you are in the muggle world in
40:37
Speaker 2: her symbolic terms speaking, where you don't really have any
40:42
Speaker 2: connections to the spiritual depths of human life, then you
40:46
Speaker 2: won't find my books or interpretations interesting in any way.
40:51
Speaker 2: But if you have, if you if you really if
40:54
Speaker 2: you are one who is really interested in spiritual matters
40:58
Speaker 2: and also trying to treat the spiritual path. Then such
41:08
Speaker 2: people might find it helpful to read my books and
41:11
Speaker 2: see how I relate that symbolism to the human experience
41:18
Speaker 2: of who we are.
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Speaker 1: I think a different way of asking that question is
41:25
Speaker 1: instead of instead of instead of instead of approaching it reactively?
41:30
Speaker 1: How can one approach Harry Potter proactively.
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Speaker 2: With respect to getting the spiritual meaning? You mean, well,
41:44
Speaker 2: you can only get that when you are already have
41:46
Speaker 2: some spiritual understanding and reflect upon the symbolism, then you
41:51
Speaker 2: can get there. And that's what I'm trying to inspire.
41:57
Speaker 2: What I'm showing, I'm showing an interation there. And of course, uh,
42:02
Speaker 2: once you reflect upon the deeper meaning of this, you
42:05
Speaker 2: can also have your own thoughts on this. But of
42:11
Speaker 2: course you need someone to give you some inspiration, and
42:15
Speaker 2: the books are meant for that inspiration to see to see, Okay,
42:18
Speaker 2: if you if you feel there's something deeper in it,
42:22
Speaker 2: here's some suggestions, see what you can do with it,
42:27
Speaker 2: and if it inspires you. But without someone who inspires you,
42:31
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you have to have a
42:33
Speaker 2: spiritual mind somehow, otherwise you work you can only see
42:36
Speaker 2: what is already in your mind. You see if you
42:39
Speaker 2: have absolutely, yeah, you have. If you if you think,
42:43
Speaker 2: if you believe in mainstream science in the form that
42:50
Speaker 2: you think there's there's only the physical world is real,
42:52
Speaker 2: everything everything else is unreal, then you cannot use Harry
42:57
Speaker 2: Potter because it has to be in you already.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So what you're saying is that Harry Potter
43:05
Speaker 1: goes beyond the world of materials.
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Speaker 2: It shows the experience people can make when you go
43:13
Speaker 2: deeper and the problems you you're facing as you go deeper.
43:19
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like the I don't know how much you
43:27
Speaker 2: how much you read about it. In the first book,
43:33
Speaker 2: there is is a dog, three headed dog, who guards
43:38
Speaker 2: the path into the depths. So that's that dog.
43:42
Speaker 3: Is is the pulls within, the pull towards the material
43:50
Speaker 3: world that we need to go beyond, or that we
43:54
Speaker 3: need to go past in order to go deeper into
43:57
Speaker 3: our mind. And that is a pull for food, the
44:02
Speaker 3: pull for sleep, and the pull for sex. That's the
44:05
Speaker 3: three heads which keep us most in just experience this
44:10
Speaker 3: physical just this physical level of existence, the primal and
44:16
Speaker 3: that's they have to go get past that dog to
44:20
Speaker 3: go deeper, and then there are seven There are seven
44:25
Speaker 3: tests that they have to pass to rescue the Philosopher's Stone,
44:31
Speaker 3: which they rescue keep away from managed just Harry manages
44:36
Speaker 3: to keep away from Voldemont, which is also the Chuckrow journey.
44:41
Speaker 2: So the second is then it's a journey up the
44:46
Speaker 2: the and the books then again repeat that in more detail,
44:50
Speaker 2: like the fifth test is they have to kill a
44:54
Speaker 2: kill an. Oh my god, Wow, word's failing me today,
45:06
Speaker 2: m h patrol patrol, which is this, which is on
45:12
Speaker 2: this level? The fifth is this level, which is sole
45:15
Speaker 2: chakra level, the spiritual level. And the main problem here is, yeah,
45:25
Speaker 2: the problem of blame, going against others and being downgrading
45:30
Speaker 2: towards others. And that's repeated in the fifth volume where
45:35
Speaker 2: the the High Inquisitor of Awkwards. Oh my god, why
45:48
Speaker 2: are these names failing me today?
45:50
Speaker 1: The seven books correspond to the seven chakras. Each character
45:59
Speaker 1: Correspon wants to a certain aspect of spirituality. Ultimately, it's
46:05
Speaker 1: about the fall of human consciousness to the ego, and
46:10
Speaker 1: it's about returning to a state of humility and love.
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Speaker 2: Yes, is it's the it's the human journey to fight
46:22
Speaker 2: against the temptations of the ego that always wants to
46:26
Speaker 2: pull us towards things that are ultimately damaging to ourselves,
46:32
Speaker 2: damaging to our fellow human beings, and not helpful for
46:37
Speaker 2: our path. But but going through and persisting on the
46:42
Speaker 2: path to want to know who you really are and
46:46
Speaker 2: ultimately become the love that is our true essence. We
46:52
Speaker 2: either have to that certain qualities that we have to
46:58
Speaker 2: learn from and in any cases also overcome. Like quarrel
47:02
Speaker 2: in the first is the tendency to try to be
47:11
Speaker 2: more than you are. So, coming from a sense of
47:14
Speaker 2: having a very low self esteem and he's trying to
47:17
Speaker 2: become more, he goes out. He goes out as a
47:22
Speaker 2: young teacher because he wants to be the one who
47:25
Speaker 2: finds Voldemort and wants to be praise for that. And
47:31
Speaker 2: then he finds Voldemort, and Voldemort takes control of him
47:34
Speaker 2: and controls him completely. So when the power that drives
47:41
Speaker 2: us is we want to be we want to have
47:44
Speaker 2: some fame, or we want to be valued more. When
47:49
Speaker 2: that is the thing that drives us to be more
47:54
Speaker 2: than we feel we are, there's a big chance that
47:57
Speaker 2: our ego controls us through that drive of wanting to
48:00
Speaker 2: be more So, that's Voldemont controlling Quirrel and using him
48:03
Speaker 2: for his purposes. So that's yeah, wanting. Yeah, So that's
48:09
Speaker 2: one aspect we have to solve or to to put
48:18
Speaker 2: into its play so we can continue on the path.
48:22
Speaker 2: So we must not be driven by just a search
48:26
Speaker 2: for for status or fame or whatever, but stay true
48:30
Speaker 2: to ourselves. So that's one of these things, and it's
48:34
Speaker 2: it's it's different things on the on the on the
48:36
Speaker 2: levels that we need to either learn from our or
48:42
Speaker 2: control to get higher with our consciousness.
48:45
Speaker 1: Yes, in books four and five, one of the underlying
48:51
Speaker 1: themes that you point out is the lack of love
48:54
Speaker 1: for ourselves and the denial of our egos. How do
48:58
Speaker 1: you think these spiritual challenges that you that you are
49:03
Speaker 1: highlighting mirror challenges that we face in real life. I'm
49:06
Speaker 1: thinking back, for example, to the COVID era. I think
49:08
Speaker 1: maybe that's a good example.
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Speaker 2: COVID is absolutely Volume five. Volume five is COVID so
49:16
Speaker 2: much that it always sometimes paints me paint. Was a
49:20
Speaker 2: real pain for me to read because it reminded so
49:23
Speaker 2: much of COVID, the way people were discriminated against who
49:26
Speaker 2: didn't want to follow the specific COVID rules, who didn't
49:32
Speaker 2: want to mayor mask, who didn't want to get vaccinated
49:34
Speaker 2: and all this that was very much Volume five. Yeah,
49:40
Speaker 2: four is the I mean, it's the hard chakra and
49:43
Speaker 2: the main problem here is the lack of love, love
49:46
Speaker 2: for others or love for yourself also, which is symbolized
49:50
Speaker 2: by the figure of Bartikroutch Junior and Senior, which have
49:54
Speaker 2: the same name. And it's the father who hates his son.
49:58
Speaker 2: It's the saying the son one who hates his father.
50:01
Speaker 2: It's this symbol for the complete unability to love ourselves,
50:08
Speaker 2: which is the main problem we need. We need that
50:12
Speaker 2: love for ourselves to be able to tread the path,
50:17
Speaker 2: because you can't give others what you don't have yourself.
50:19
Speaker 2: You see, and he he comes as Madai Moody. He
50:27
Speaker 2: transforms through this polytics potion into Madam Moody throughout, so
50:32
Speaker 2: nobody knows it's really him. And Madai Moody is a
50:36
Speaker 2: symbol for very disciplined work on ourselves. Because half of
50:43
Speaker 2: the half of the death eaters in azkabah Oh his
50:49
Speaker 2: presence there to Madai Moody, so he is this really
50:53
Speaker 2: working hard on becoming a better human being. But if
50:57
Speaker 2: you work too hard on yourself and you lose the
50:59
Speaker 2: love for yourself, that turns into an ego thing. So
51:04
Speaker 2: Barticro Junior is really a death eater who serves Valdemont.
51:09
Speaker 2: And so that story shows, I mean, the fourth book
51:15
Speaker 2: shows what happens if you lose the love for yourself,
51:19
Speaker 2: if you're driven by something that is ultimately controlled by
51:24
Speaker 2: the ego. If you do something for the ego and
51:27
Speaker 2: you think you're doing it for love, but it's not,
51:32
Speaker 2: it's not really. So that's the fast and that's that's
51:36
Speaker 2: at present everywhere. I mean, if you look at all
51:39
Speaker 2: the leftist ideologies like socialism, communism and see the hundreds
51:45
Speaker 2: of millions of people they killed in history, like Lenin
51:49
Speaker 2: Stalin Mao, and that's this idea. Yeah, we bring good
51:55
Speaker 2: into the world, but if there is no love, it's
52:00
Speaker 2: the opposite. I mean, you create a brutal world of ego,
52:03
Speaker 2: which which we saw in the Soviet Union in China
52:06
Speaker 2: and so on. That's the idea of making the world
52:10
Speaker 2: better without being driven really by love, because if you're
52:15
Speaker 2: driven by love, you don't do all these things that
52:17
Speaker 2: they did. And also in politics, that's very much this
52:21
Speaker 2: lack of love is the idea is that parties should
52:26
Speaker 2: give us versatility and everyone should be represented. But because
52:30
Speaker 2: the way people treat each other and there's ably no love,
52:33
Speaker 2: and they treat each other like enemies, they these parties
52:37
Speaker 2: together they create a world of complete ego and they
52:44
Speaker 2: are completely controlled by selfish forces. So these parties who
52:48
Speaker 2: fight each other, they're easy pray for the high finance
52:55
Speaker 2: in the background to be the financiers. They all controlled.
52:58
Speaker 2: And that's all because we accept that the way people
53:02
Speaker 2: treat each other is without love, right, And that's that's
53:07
Speaker 2: very much containing Volume four. This this is a problem
53:11
Speaker 2: that we cannot achieve anything of value in this world
53:18
Speaker 2: if we do it without if we act without love,
53:21
Speaker 2: we cannot.
53:24
Speaker 1: Well, we can see since you mentioned politicians. Donald Trump
53:29
Speaker 1: is a very humble man. He doesn't have a big
53:31
Speaker 1: at all, and.
53:34
Speaker 2: He wants everyone to acknowledge how humble he is.
53:46
Speaker 1: But I suppose he wouldn't be where he is. We're
53:48
Speaker 1: not for for ego. I wonder if ego does play
53:53
Speaker 1: also a positive role.
53:55
Speaker 2: No, it cannot, it cannot because love can only fully
54:06
Speaker 2: reign on this earth. I mean, the supreme ruler should
54:09
Speaker 2: be love in I mean, ego could play a positive
54:16
Speaker 2: role if ego decides to completely serve, completely serve, serve,
54:21
Speaker 2: serf and never rule, never try to dominate, never try
54:24
Speaker 2: to control, but serve the love. But that's ultimately how
54:29
Speaker 2: on the path ego is in the very end being dissolved.
54:35
Speaker 2: Because if love really rules everything, then we don't really
54:40
Speaker 2: need ego.
54:42
Speaker 1: What is the counter binary to ego? Is it love
54:45
Speaker 1: or is it humility?
54:46
Speaker 2: Well, it's all these spiritual qualities. I mean, they are
54:48
Speaker 2: very closely related. Of course, depends on what the ego wants.
54:54
Speaker 2: If the ego wants to be seen as, oh, I'm
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Speaker 2: the greatest and the best, then it's very much humility
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Speaker 2: that you need. And if the ego just wants to
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Speaker 2: spread hatred, it's love that you need, and so on.
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Speaker 2: If the ego tries to instill fear into others, well
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Speaker 2: to counter fear, what you need you need courage, you
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Speaker 2: need self confidence, all these quality It depends what the
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Speaker 2: ego is doing and fighting against.
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Speaker 1: Jackie Rowling is still alive. If she happened to listen
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Speaker 1: to our conversation, do you think she would be nodding along?
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Speaker 2: I would think she might find it interesting. I actually
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Speaker 2: tried three times to write to her. I wrote a
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Speaker 2: letter to her to her address in Scotland that was
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Speaker 2: never answered to. Then I had a friend in Vienna
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Speaker 2: who's working for the who used to work for the
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Speaker 2: Austrian television and she wrote, and then at least there
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Speaker 2: was because it was television writing. There was a humble,
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Speaker 2: there was a reply, we are so sorry, we get
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Speaker 2: so many writing, you know these things, so nothing. And
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Speaker 2: then I know someone who knows the neighbor of hers,
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Speaker 2: and she took a letter of mind to that neighbor,
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Speaker 2: but she said there's no chance. They have absolutely no
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Speaker 2: contact with her there, and so there was no part
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Speaker 2: I try. I really want. I would like to have
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Speaker 2: a discussion with her about how how much she could
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Speaker 2: go along and how much she wouldn't. I would be
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Speaker 2: interested because I think she very much wrote out of inspiration,
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Speaker 2: so she has a lot. I think she has a
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Speaker 2: lot of spiritual knowledge, but I think she's not completely
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Speaker 2: aware how deep her symbolism goes. So that's why I
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Speaker 2: would find it very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you shouldn't write a letter to her, Maybe write
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Speaker 1: a spell.
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Speaker 2: The most powerful spell is love. Yeah, I can center
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Speaker 2: of my love, but if she reacts to that, I
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Speaker 2: don't know. Or in Latin, yeah, I learned Latin for
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Speaker 2: six I studied Latin at school for six years.
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Speaker 1: So, but I mean, when't the spells in spell latter
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Speaker 1: in Latin.
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Speaker 2: It's actually when you know Latin, it's very simple. It's
57:29
Speaker 2: like heavily me like men show yourself. So if you
57:35
Speaker 2: want to know if there's someone, it's it's it's all.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if the actors themselves are a way of
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Speaker 1: any of the stuff that you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: The actors, I don't think so. I mean they see
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Speaker 2: like all the fans, they are fans of this, they
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Speaker 2: see it as it's very very well written entertainment. And
57:57
Speaker 2: if you go along with my interpretations or not, it
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Speaker 2: always stays a very well written entertainment. Also, so you
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Speaker 2: don't have to have this. It's just if you're curious
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Speaker 2: and want to go for these deeper things, deeper understanding
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Speaker 2: and have these sorts and what can we do in
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Speaker 2: the world as chaotic as it is at the moment,
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Speaker 2: what can we do for a better world? And then
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Speaker 2: it can be helpful. I think it can be helpful
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Speaker 2: to read the books, my books, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to eventually attempt your books, but I think
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Speaker 1: before that I might start off by watching the Harry
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Speaker 1: Potter will be keys.
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Speaker 2: Do that and then think for yourself, knowing that there
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Speaker 2: might be something deeper. You will have your own thoughts
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Speaker 2: on this. All right?
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Speaker 1: For now, Ludwig, how can I follow your Harry Potter work,
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Speaker 1: and of course your Lord of the Rings work?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I for English. I have translated the main work,
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Speaker 2: which is the Ring Annihilation and the symbolism into English.
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Speaker 2: Translating my Harry Potter book into English is on my
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Speaker 2: to do list. Hasn't done yet, It hasn't happened yet,
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Speaker 2: but maybe that in future, with every volume I translate,
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Speaker 2: it might be an occasion to have a talk about it.
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Speaker 1: But for now, for sure, I mean for now, is
59:25
Speaker 1: there a website that that that people can go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called noin height dot d e noin like
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Speaker 2: the germanin height dot d e. But I can give
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Speaker 2: you a link. And if people are interested in my
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Speaker 2: way of interpreting things, there's already the e books on
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Speaker 2: the talking works, and is in shortly coming a book,
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Speaker 2: my book about the monetary system, The Solution to the
59:54
Speaker 2: Monetary Problem and so that will also be there in
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Speaker 2: the link think that I give you.
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Speaker 1: And of course you can easily search your name Ludwig
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Speaker 1: Garts and a whole bunch of stuff will come up.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ludig, Ludig Guards, Thank you for joining me
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Speaker 1: in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Thank you m m m hm