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Inside The OIG Interview: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 19) (4/21/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the warden from MCC and
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  his interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question okay, so now
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  we're going to talk about the cameras. Answer okay. Question
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  were the shoe cameras recording on August ninth and tenth
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  of twenty nineteen. Answer? I didn't physically go check to
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  see if they were recording or not. Question did you
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  learn that they were not recording? Answer? Yeah, we found
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  out afterwards that they weren't recording. And to that, mister
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  Hayes jumps in again. Wait wait, wait, we had this conversation.
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  The cameras don't work in a lot of these institutions,
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  right answer, yeah, question all right, and that's because they
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  didn't spend the fucking money to make sure the cameras work.
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  And I got to stop saying fuck. Answer by the warden,
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  that's the issue too. Funding. And you know, so since
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  that incident, I I guess there was some audits done
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  by the agency and they realized that it was kind
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  of a system. Indiscernible Hayes, but you see the issue
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  is should you have checked why weren't the cameras working?
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  Question by the investigator. Well, that's my question is do
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  you know why they were not working? Answer? I don't
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  know the specific language that was used and what was
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  wrong with it, because I guess after I left, they
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  kind of made a determination on what was why. What
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  was the reason. I know we were going through the
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  process of auditing and fixing some cameras, but those specific
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  shoe cameras I wasn't aware of the extent. Question Okay,
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  let's just really quickly review the shoe camera documentation. Were
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  you ever provided any documentation or documents of a camera
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  that actually was working inside of the shoe? Answer you
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  mean the day of the Epstein thing? Question right at
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  any time? Answer? I don't recall. Question so, were you
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  provided with this this is right outside of ten south?
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  Answer that says camera angle out of ten south? Question right,
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  were you ever provided with that? As far he gets
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  cut off, it looks familiar, The warden says, question, Okay,
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  but you don't remember specifically? Answer yeah, I don't specific
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  question okay. And then just while we're here, I guess,
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  what are these doors right to the right of this picture? Answer,
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  this door goes into ten south. Question okay, answer, and
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  then this one I think is a utility room door.
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  I'm not sure. Question okay, so the door that says
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  forty six goes into ten south. Answer that looks like
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  the ten south door. Wait yeah, the phone, Yeah that's
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  ten south. It looks like ten south. Question and what
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  are we looking at down here? Answer? So this is
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  right here is the officer station area. Question and do
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  you based upon that? Do you know what tire that
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  would be right there? Answer? Oh man, you got indiscernible stopped.
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  Let me is that GNH tier? I think if I remember? Question?
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  And what would be to the right of the officer station? Answer?
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  Oh wait, g H I JA, I don't remember. If
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  it was I and J question, would this be L
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  Tier up here? Answer? Yeah, L and M Tier. Question
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  so right up right to the right of the officer
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  station looking at this picture would be il And is
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  that where mister Epstein was housed? Answer? I believe he
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  was on the L Tier. Question Okay, do you mind
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  just initially and dating that? So here is a map
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  that we previously provided. Does this look like the so
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  this is where we were in the camera angle and
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  it's focusing down here on the officer station. This is
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  Eltier on the second level, and this is where Epstein
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  would have been housed. Does that look right? Answer? That
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  looks right? Question okay, is this el Tier here? Answer?
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  That's Eltier? Question? Does this look like that would have
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  been Epstein's door? I know you can't really see here
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  because of the police crossings? Answer I noticed it the
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  crime scene tape? Question okay, do you have any reason
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  to believe that that wouldn't be Epstein's door? Answer? What
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  do you mean? Question? As far as I know, we
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  can't see the number he gets cut off by the warden. Yeah,
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  I don't know the number, but taking your word for it,
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  that that is it? Question Okay, Now if you see
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  this is al Tier range and at the very end
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  you see this camera. Should that camera have been recording? Answer? Yes?
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  Question okay? And is that a camera that I'm actually
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  looking at right there? Answer? That's a camera Hayes pipes in.
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  Was that camera recording? Question? Sir? Do you know if
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  that camera was recording? Answer? I didn't see. After I left.
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  I guess they said that they had camera issues, but
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  I don't know what I wasn't provided information on what
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  specific cameras were working or not. Question, So they didn't
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  tell you if they were working or not. Answer, well,
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  I remember I was removed. Question. I just didn't know
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  if you found out on the tenth or the eleventh.
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  Answer No, I was removed on the You know, they
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  said there were some camera issues and then what they
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  were doing they had the FBI came in and took
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  car drives, and I guess they were working to see
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  what was working and what wasn't working. Question can you
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  initially date that? The investigator, I'm not going to get
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  into this since he wasn't aware that they weren't recording.
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  Hayes pipes in again. Boy, I'm impressed by your thoroughness.
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  I'll tell you that much. The investigator responds, that's why
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  they put me on it. Hayes, You're very thorough. Answer yep, Hayes.
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  You know, if you if you are a good trial lawyer,
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  you know, allegedly a good trial lawyer, a lot of
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  times you're not supposed to be thorough. You're supposed to
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  put an idea in the jury's head right where you
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  can see they're invulnerable stray on that fucking idea, because
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  if you're going to be thorough. You have to bring
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  out something that you don't want to bring out, you know,
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  so you to speak to the things, but you know
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  you got them the warden. Yeah. Question so this is
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  an email that was received. Who's redacted? Answer? He's the
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  facility manager. Question okay, so is this what I wanted
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  to show you? Hold on now? Did you print out
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  the one that I sent you this morning? Answer is
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  that that should be the last thing. He gets cut
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  off by the investigator. Okay, I'm not going to get
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  into those. So you weren't aware that the cameras were
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  not or you are not aware if the cameras were
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  or were not recording in the shoe. Answer No, we
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  had camera issues throughout the institution. Question okay. Answer, so
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  I don't know which specific one because we had mister
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  redacted working on a project to get some money for it.
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  Question okay, answer, and when it came to that specific night,
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  I didn't know if they were working or not. Question
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  Were you ever told that either on August eighth or
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  August ninth, that the cameras were not recording in the shoe?
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  Answer I heard, Yes, I was told that there were
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  some issues with the camera. He gets cut off by
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  the investigator on either the eighth or the ninth, prior
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  to Epstein. Answer no, on talking about afterwards, the investigator
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  continues on August ninth or August eighth, even leading up
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  to Epstein being found. Were you informed that cameras were
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  not recording? Answer? No, I wasn't told about the cameras.
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  Question all right, So based on our investigation, we learned
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  that mcc SIS Lieutenant redacted, and the aw became aware
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  on August eight, twenty nineteen, that at least some of
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  the mcc cameras were not recording. They contacted Contech redacted
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  and may have also notified Captain redacted. Did you ever
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  hear anything about that? Answer? I knew prior to that
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  that there was some cameras in the institution that needed
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  to be fixed, but not specifically the shoe. No question, okay.
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  And would that have been based upon what they found
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  the AWNSIS lieutenant Answer no, because we had some issues
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  with cameras and we were trying to seek funding and
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  we were trying to see, okay, what was working and
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  what to get fixed, but specifically in the shoe No question,
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  all right. So only because you said that you were
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  trying to get funding. Did you know that there were
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  already cameras at the institution that they were able to
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  replace When the FBI took the cameras on the tenth,
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  they were able to immediately replace them with cameras that
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  were on site. Answer, So cameras. All institutions always have
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  like backup cameras to fix when they're there. But I
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  was talking about funding to replace the whole system. Question.
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  So this was from fiscal year twenty eighteen back in September.
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  This is a memorandum from US you from a manager
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  acting facilities manager, and these are all the different documents
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  that go with it regarding a new camera system that
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  was purchased. Answer right, question it was it looks like
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  eight hundred thousand dollars for this total. These are all
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  the documents that here you go. This is an approval
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  of your September eleventh, twenty eighteen request. So this is
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  a memorandum from it looks like redacted, the Assistant director
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  for Administration. It says request to exceed the spending limit
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  of fifty thousand dollars on a work request number eight
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  one five eight replaced camera system at MCC new York.
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  This work is to replace the current degraded camera system.
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  The total cost of this work is not to exceed
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  eight hundred thousand dollars. And then at the bottom it says,
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  if you have any questions, please call me or have
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  your staff contact And how do you say that name?
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  Do you know? Redacted? And redacted chief facility branch manager
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  And it says at the phone number and then here
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  are the you know, the work orders for that. So
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  we have spoken with Signette who was the camera provider.
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  They said that on or around October or November twenty eighteen,
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  they were delivered. And then talking with redacted the city manager,
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  he said that they started working on the infrastructure of
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  the camera project on or around March twenty nineteen to
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  get everything ready for the new camera system that was
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  on site to be installed, and said that he gets
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  cut off by the warden. They had to run wires,
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  but the old system was there, so they had to
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  run wires and they had to get a contract done
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  in order because you needed the context and I forget
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  the wording that they used is to run the cables
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  or get the camera system in question, and you know
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  how long that typically takes to run the new wires
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  and all of that. Answer, you would have the staff indiscernible.
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  We didn't have the staffing question, so there were two
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  people to wide in the order to do that answer.
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  They started ted wying people in to come in. Hayes,
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  Wait a minute, can the staff run the new wires
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  or do you have to get an electrician to run
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  the wires? Answer by the warden, No, we have staff
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  that are qualified to do it. But then some of
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  them were new and really didn't know how to do it.
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  You know it was he gets cut off by the investigator.
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  So according to mister rodactid it says the camera system
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  was scheduled to start March seventh, twenty nineteen, and it
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  started on schedule. When I arrived TDY February twenty nineteen,
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  we only had one communication technician. Therefore, after talking to
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  the regional office, they started a project to assist in
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  funding and labor, so we were able to start the
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  week of March seventeenth, twenty nineteen for the camera system
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  and all other infrastructure throughout the institution. Question. Below is
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  the email sent to all institutions from redacted the Northeast
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  Facility as administrator, but point being it looks like the
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  project had started. Correct. Answer, it started, but he gets
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  cut off by the investigator. And I only say that
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  because I wanted to make sure you weren't confused because
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  you were saying we were looking for funding. Answer No, No,
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  I misspoke. What I'm saying is I meant that the
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  project started, but the cameras hadn't been replaced because they
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  were still running wires for to get the new system started,
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  so that unit still had the old cameras. Question right,
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  but then the camera system was actually on site and
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  they were working on it. Answer well, yeah, but they weren't.
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  You didn't have enough staff to install to you know,
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  to rewire the whole place because we had we wanted
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  to put one some of the ranges that never had cameras,
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  So it was a tedious project. Question I see. Answer
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  that required us to tdy staff from other institutions. And
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  then you know, he gets cut off by the investigator. Yeah,
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  and where you kept apprized of where they were on
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  that on the camera project. Answer I would inquire about it,
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  like where we were with it, but we were to
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  the point where we were bringing people in from other
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  institutions to get it done. Question Okay, and do you
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  know when the camera system was scheduled to actually be
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  installed or was it ever scheduled? Answer from and if
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  I remember right, it was a matter of before you
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  even installed it, you had to run the wiring for it.
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  Question right, And that's what they were saying in March
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  of twenty nineteen. Answer, but that had been completed because
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  you had the TDY people there and to get it done.
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  Question And they were never provided you with an update
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  as far as like when it would actually be completed.
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  Answer it was still ongoing. Question okay, answer now, But
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  after I left, they get people in there and they
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  completed it. Uestion. Yeah. Yeah, because I think I think
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  the whole week we were able to complete the whole
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  thing correct answer, I don't know. Question, you don't know, answer,
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  you know, because they had people come in from different institutions.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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