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Episode #257: The Fauci Diary, Food Recalls, and the Path Forward · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: So the CDC wanted to state, this is from his own diary, quote, that the vaccines were not effective at all in preventing infection and transmission.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: Not effective at all.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the CDC wanted to state.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fauci thought that that emission would stop people from getting the boosters and quote, undermine the DOJ's, the Department of Justice efforts at mandates for vaccines.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care who you are and what political party you come from, everybody was affected by it.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to another episode of Beyond Labels, the podcast of homesteading, wellness, and basically out-of-the-box thinking by hosts.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: It would be me first, Joel Salatin, the farmer.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not first, but just the first introduction today.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um our greatest researcher, Dr.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Cena, you know, I got to do these things.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: I just can't do it the same way every time.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you gotta uh cheer this up a little bit.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Especially with the topic we're gonna be dealing with today, which is a current event topic.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: We have just uh sat through um testimony from Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anthony Fauci, who's been grilled by a Senate uh committee, and um had a hundred and ten uh refusal to answer questions.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: And um Cena, I mean, I've been had other things uh pushing on my schedule, but Cena actually listened to the whole three-hour session.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so we're gonna we're gonna uh bandy that about today.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: So Cena, um give us your observations and what you think.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, a lot to cover today, and actually, surprisingly, this hearing is linked to this uh summertime lettuce recall and eggshell recall.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk about all of it today.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, as Joel mentioned, yes, I am not um, you know, a trend setting person like Joel where I fly all over the place and consult.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I had time to listen to the whole three hours.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: So their hearing was a long three hours, but I tell you what, Joel, this was the most entertaining hearing I have ever listened to.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, it was perfect timing.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: As I previously mentioned, I'm teaching my children the constitution and so that they can identify the constitutional rights.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: The day before this hearing, we covered the Fifth Amendment.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I said to my children, part of your learning tomorrow is going to be listening to the hearing because I can almost guarantee you that Fauci is going to invoke his Fifth Amendment right.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: And sure enough, he did at least 110 times.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so now my kids definitely have the Fifth Amendment ingrained in their minds.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so that's a positive note.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was a successful homeschool experience.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to forget the Fifth Amendment.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's real.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: They'll they'll they'll never forget sitting through all that refusal, refusal to answer questions.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, other than that, um, I think there's a lot of different takeaways.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, first of all, people were wondering if Fauci would even show up.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: He did show up.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Second, they were wondering if he would, you know, speak at all.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, he did not.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: He gave an opening statement and then he pleaded the fifth.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was a lively, it it in spite of the fact that Anthony Fauci answered no questions, it was a very lively hearing.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now, it's a it's interesting, and I'll start with this that I think humans are um able to really compartmentalize things pretty well, at least most of us are.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so I didn't realize until I listened to this three hours of hearing how much I have compartmentalized parts of what happened during COVID.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I and I will say up front, like we are not Republican, we are not Democrats, right?
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: We are beyond these labels.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so this really isn't a discussion about politics in my concern.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we everybody was affected by COVID.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so my goal in watching that hearing is I just want to pursue the truth.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: I want to figure out what actually happened, who knew what.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: In a bombshell, uh Fauci's diary, his own personal diary or his journal was actually released just prior to this hearing.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that diary was actually recouped from like federal servers by um Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy's team.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he that diary was circulated around before the hearing actually happened.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it contained what I thought were not flattering entries into his own diary.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now, of course, no one really expects somebody's gonna read your own personal diary.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: So there's given that benefit of the doubt, but he he apparently wrote this diary on the federal computer.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's in the server.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he wrote things like in other words in other words, yeah, uh, this is not where somebody uh went into Fauci's house uh surreptitiously and found a paper uh notebook diary and absconded with it and fed it to the press.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: This this is this is similar to um Hillary's uh Hillary's um you know computer that that was interestingly scrubbed.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, it's it's it's g it's government property.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it's on it is my understanding that they did not violate his constitutional right against unlawful search and seizure because it was recorded on a federal computer.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like he he did it from his computer that was government owned.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you can actually find the diary entries um on uh Rand Paul created a website called the Reading Room, and you can read through them yourself.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so they're out there in the open.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: And um, before I tell you what's a couple of things that stood out to me in the diary, I was a little bit concerned.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking, well, is he can't he just deny that this is his diary?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess he can he could have actually in his opening statement, he could have actually denied that it was his diary.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's a that's a whole nother legal thing, but it is harder to prove that than you might think.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he didn't.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: In the opening statement, he actually referred to it as his diary.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we know it was his.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: So um, the diary contains in general contradicting statements from what he told the public.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, in January 26, 2020, he wrote in this journal, this diary, that the data showed that the first infection occurred, this is the first COVID infection, occurred in early December, and that it was unconnected to the Wuhan market.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: He said, quote, now we know the market was not the source, it was the amplifier.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that was in January of 2020, and they held that narrative of the wet market for an extended period of time after 2020.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um another one was the stood out to me was August 13th, 2022.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: He actually convinced the CDC to not tell the public the truth.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: So the CDC wanted to state, quote, this is from this is from his own diary, quote, that the vaccines were not effective at all in preventing infection and transmission.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: So not effective at all.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's what the CDC wanted to state.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Fauci thought that that admission would stop people from getting the boosters and quote, undermine the DOJs, the park Department of Justice um efforts at mandates for vaccines.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: He said, quote, the CDC agreed to pull back on the statement, and instead, the CDC would state, quote, the vaccine vaccines provides only modest and waning efficacy against infection and transmission.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that is why we should heed the advice of getting the updated booster in September.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: So changing the narrative of the CDC.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it to me that was pretty like uh, you know, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, as as you know, and really just look at the evidence.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Those two pieces of information alone um are really shook me.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like those are pretty damning pieces of evidence.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: They are.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, and and Cena, help us out here with your your um medical and chemistry um knowledge for for us uh plea plebiscites.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh when when he when he said the C D C wanted to um to s to say that vaccines are not effective at all um the booster is a vaccine, isn't it?
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're considering that a a vaccine.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: So so when Fauci says, I didn't want that said because it would keep people from getting the booster, what what I what I'm trying I'm trying to establish that that in a in a congruous um mind that is speaking truth, the booster, saying the word booster and the word vaccine are essentially scientifically uh um the same.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: If uh now there's people who don't want to call it a vaccine, of course, uh because of the genetic component, but yes, in this context, he is saying uh the booster is a vaccine.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: So he he wanted so so so so so uh after after CDC says vaccines would uh ha have no effect at all, then he wanted to change that.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to help everybody to understand, and me too, that he didn't want that that language changed to say that um that something besides vaccines are then necessary.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted it, he wanted it to not be in there because he wanted another kind of vaccine called a booster.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't want to jeopardize, he didn't want to jeopardize generation two of the vaccine.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Generation one is shown to be completely ineffective, but we can't say that because then people might not take generation two.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he wanted two things.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: He wanted people to get the updated booster in September, and he wanted to make sure that the efforts at mandating the vaccine were not undermined.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: So they wanted to change the wording that it was not effective at all to it provides modest and waning efficacy against infection and transmission, which would then encourage somebody to continue to keep getting boosters.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you're looking if you're trying to give them benefit of the doubt, you could say, okay, the CDC came out and told him it's not effective at all in preventing infection and transmission.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: But remember their narrative changed.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like once they realized, first they said it it would prevent, you had to get it to prevent the spread and to help yourself from not getting sick from COVID.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Then the narrative changed over time.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: So they said that no, it's um is not basically to prevent infection or transmission, it's to reduce the likelihood that you'd end up in the hospital and have complications.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: So if when the CDC told Fauci this statement, if Fauci believed, oh, but it's it would still possibly prevent people from severe complications to end up in the hospital, that could be a motive for like I'm again, even after I watched that whole thing.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're you're you're you're going you're going a long way to try to catch that ball.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I am, but you know what I'm saying?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we don't know.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: We we are not in his mind.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know if he truly believed in it, then it, you know, the ends justifies the means, is how they say.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't agree with that.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, if we're trying to seek the truth, let's look at it from all sides.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: That could be what he means.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: It even if even if we do get given the benefit of the doubt, they still change the wording.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like from a scientific perspective, they still change what the CDC said, that it was not effective at all, to it provides modest and waning efficacy.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's still wrong, right?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I'm just saying, trying to get into his head, you know, maybe, but it's still wrong.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: And the other one is obviously wrong.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: They knew it came from a market.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: And there's another one where they uh um they knew uh the masks, the masks being able to stop transmission and the social distancing was shown to not be based on science.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it actually, Trump has this entire website up now where he's come out and like one after the next, basically um land blasted all of these theories that they told us, like all these directives that we were given.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's basically said, these were wrong, these were wrong, like one after the next.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now, one of the most shocking things, Joel, was in the diary he talks about.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember how Fauci got the COVID injection live?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was on TV.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: So about five months later, Fauci had a pulmonary embolism.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so this means there was a blocked artery in the lung.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was from a blood clot.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and this is one of the reported adverse events of the COVID injection.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you can't scientifically say that the injection caused his pulmonary embolism.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he is an older male, you know, but it does raise suspicions that about five months after he got the injection, which fits the timeline, um, he had this pulmonary embolism and it was kept secret.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was treated in secret.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you would think with with as much uh with as much AI and data accumulation as we have now, they would be able to go in and create incredibly intricate and um and statistically accurate trackings of every single injection that was given.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: That person's name, what happened in 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, it would with as much with as much data as we can collect now, you would think that they could take this mass of information and get it on some side of some sort of a you know a spreadsheet that you could actually see.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and and so if if five months post-injection, you see this big cluster of bl of pulmonary embolisms, trying to use your big words instead of a blood clot, um if you see this cluster there, it it starts becoming more statistically uh obvious than than than just have it, you know.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he got it five months later.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And well, we don't know if anybody else gets it five months later.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know how many other people get it five months later.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it it it it's all just kind of nebulous and out there.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you are brilliant.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: I just looked it up, and AI is being used to explore um analyzing vaccine safety and adverse events, and actually the HHS, you know, Kennedy's organization, um, has disclosed plans regarding um generating an artificial intelligence tool to comb through national vaccine monitoring and adverse event reporting databases such as VARS.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: They want to try to identify patterns and generate hypotheses regarding negative side effects associated with vaccines.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, hey, you so you could have been a great advisor, Joel.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I mean, here's here's the thing.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: You either look, Cena, isn't life all about patterns?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's all about patterns.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the reasons that old people become wise is because old people are old enough to have seen patterns.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I remember when this happened, you know, and and and and they they put this together.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh historically, we've had to depend on, you know, memory, you know, uh old people's memory or or written, you know, uh uh material.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now, with the with the ability to collect data now and store it, it seems to me like finding patterns in almost anything, whether it's you know, economic health, soil, whatever, that finding patterns would be much, much faster today and even more accurate than just depending on a bunch of you know uh gray-headed patriarchs and matriarchs trying to remember what happened 50 years ago when when this kind of thing happened.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, I agree.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, that's actually how people have figured out how to reverse chronic and autoimmune diseases is by finding patterns.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you go through the data, you analyze it, you see what works, what's not working, trial and error, and then and you identify patterns.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's how that's how God helped me figure it out.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: He showed me patterns, you know, and and so part of that is you know, I I would um the AI can be a useful tool, but it also doesn't have, at least to my knowledge, that intuition and that uh, you know, like that, like when you, for example, when you pray about something, God can uh reveal things to you.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's my understanding AI does not have that.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that is a limitation of AI.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it can be used as a useful tool to start generating the patterns, but I think a human needs to be there to find like those intuitive things or those, you know, God-given.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Cena, I remember very well during that during that time period, uh, people who were uh more inclined to believe like we did that the whole thing was a whatever, a fraud and a and a not that that that Fauci was lying.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um I had numerous people that were, you know, pretty smart, I thought, um, who absolutely said that none of the people at the top, Fauci included, would get the vaccine.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, they were lying, so they didn't take the vaccine.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: The fact that he, the fact that he took the mRNA jab, I'm not even gonna call it a vaccine.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: The the fact that he took the mRNA jab um indicates for as much as you might not like the man, maybe he actually believed what he was saying.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to first make the assumption that it wasn't saline, right?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: That he actually did it was real.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: If it was real, the jab if his jab was real, then yeah, you you you would think that either you really believed what you were saying, or um, or it wasn't real, it was supplic, you know, saline, or you may not have believed what you were saying, but you didn't think it would hurt you.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like you didn't think there's gonna be unintended negative consequences of receiving it, you know, and you wanted to promote it.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: So in my estimation, it's one of the three.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's three, there, there's there's three, three options.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: One, it was saline, which the whole thing was a fraud.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, um, I really believe in this one, we'll take it.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Number three, I uh I'm I'm healthy enough that I won't get a side effect, and there aren't that many of them anyway.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And now you know, you know, it has shifted, sentiment has shifted since then.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like um the current stat that I found in terms of Americans getting this uh annual COVID booster, uh, it depends by age, but it's less than 25% of Americans that have received the updated annual booster.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, about 50% of adults age 75 and older stay current.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the older population does.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Less than 10% of children under 12 stay current, and roughly 20% of the general adult population get the updated seasonal shot.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: So only about 20% now get it.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that that really 20% over.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Over the whole population.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so it it does speak volumes to you know where people are at this point with the whole COVID situation.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, one of the and I want to go over what some of the some of the senators in this hearing um said.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I will tell you that back to the compartmentalization part.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when I first started watching the hearing, it was more of it just curiosity, interest, you know, what almost like a game.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Is he actually gonna say he's pleading the fifth?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, or what's you know what I mean?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And like an outside spectator.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then as it unfolded and people were bringing up facts, news stories that had happened, all these things.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was very emotional to watch it.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was like it was an emotional roller coaster where some because I remembered, right?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: The mind is really good at compartmentalizing and kind of forgetting things that happen, you know, like a childhood trauma.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can kind of forget it happen.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it just brought all these memories rushing back, you know.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: And at some points, I almost wanted to start crying.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, because I don't care who you are and what political party you come from, everybody was affected by it to some degree.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: So um, that's why it's important that I know people are giving Rand Paul a really hard time for this, for doing this hearing.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: And many of the Democratic senators on the committee also gave him a very hard time.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they called it uh, one of them called it a show trial, that um he was basically continuing a vendetta against one single person, like, you know, for his own, you know, right uh purposes and whatnot.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: He really took a lot of hits.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's important because number one, we want we need accountability in in our country, right?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't have accountability, people are gonna think they can get away with anything.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, right the party went back to 2014, right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the same time that uh President Obama uh put a pause on funding for dangerous gain of function research.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's why the pardon, Fauci, Fauci's pardon started in 2014, uh, is because he was trying to, Biden was trying to basically not incriminate Fauci for what he had done.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: If Biden even knows he did it, it was like an auto pen, is what they think.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: The pardon was probably an auto pen.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: But the point is, it the pardon went back to 2014.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And the only thing I can figure out as to why it was 2014 is because that's when Obama put forth that pause on the funding for the dangerous gain of function research.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: So if Fauci and like the NIH, for example, continued with the gain of function research, which is what happened, then one could make the case that it was illegal, hence he would need a pardon.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: But the bigger picture is he went against the sitting president.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know why Democrats wouldn't be outraged that he must have thought like they had either it was an arrogance that like I know better than you.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like Obama thought that the um the research of gain of function was potentially too dangerous to continue to do, which is why he stopped the funding.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: He paused it while they analyzed the safety or the risk involved in gain of function research.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So Cena, you're a you're a premium researcher.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is there any is there any reason, valid reason to do gain of function research?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: So they have arguments that it is valid.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, that's why that I know.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm asking you.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, so for for me, no.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, for them, yes.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: What Fauci was saying is that, and he has been quoted uh, you know, and this is in the public domain, as saying that the risk is worth it, that even if there ended up being, you know, a some kind of release and human lives are lost, he's quoted as saying that it's worth it because we need the gain of function research.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: So for example, yeah, but but but but why gain what to to be able to get out ahead of something before it gets there?
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: That that's their justification.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: We want to get ahead of this, want to get ahead of this wave before the wave arrives.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: So part of it is okay, so one part is because they're claiming other countries are doing it.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's biological warfare.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So if other countries are doing it, we can't have them win that race, right?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: It and all so we have to have something in our arsenal to be able to strike back if they attack us with biological warfare.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and biological warfare has been used, and it has been used by Americans by the by America as well.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the second is along those same lines, if another country uses biological warfare against us, um, they're saying that we need to be on the cutting edge so that, for example, we have vaccines in order to treat the Americans that have been affected by the biological weapon inflicted on us by a foreign nation.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that that is the justification for it.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you can still create vaccines even without, like, so for example, things mutate, things change.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you're guessing anyway, as to if you're creating a vaccine against something, you're guessing.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's why the flu vaccine, the annual flu vaccine, often has low efficacy because they're actually guessing what the strain is, and now they will actually tend to pool different strains together and inject it in one flu vaccine vial in order to increase the odds that they guess the right strain.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you're already guessing, anyway, they can actually use AI, right?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: This should be like a this would be one of the uses of AI that if they're gonna do gain of function, use AI with it.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: They can use AI to predict, you know, what would this microbe look like?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: How could you mutate this one to make a bioweapon and then use AI to create the remedy?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like if that's the path they want to go on.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's how they can use AI instead.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe they will, but um, but that is a justification for it.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: So when Obama um issued that pause on the funding, the funding continued through Equal Health Alliance, and they funded the Wuhan lab in China.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that so that came from America from our government.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it could have been, it's either Fauci had that, like, oh, I know better than you.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: We need to stay, you know, uh at the cus in this race of, you know, bioweapons.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so he pushed it anyway, and they went through Eco Health Alliance, right?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: And potentially that was to maybe cover some of the tracks a little bit.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I'm speculating there.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it could have been that because he really believed in it, right?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: But but either way, whatever the reason was, they continued to fund it.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was against Obama's order.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you can argue that Obama said any new gain of function research, you know, but you know what I mean?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, and maybe they will argue that.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then maybe they will have had somebody in the government, NIH, say, oh, we analyzed it and we don't think it qualified as dangerous gain of function research.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: But that's all semantics, right?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: The point is, he went against the sitting president, in my opinion, and you can make the case for that.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, so to me, I don't understand why every Democrat that I listened to in this hearing um basically defended Fauci.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: They thanked Fauci.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Senator Kim said he admired, he admired his record.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um they said that he one of the one of the senators said that he saved lives, that you know, basically just gushed over him about how great he was and and still is.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm thinking in the back of my head, but he thought he was more powerful than Barack Obama, our president.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: So if you if you're allowing these people to kind of in a way go rogue and there's no accountability, what happens when the next person comes up and they're like, oh, look, he he got away with that.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: And and so what can I get away with, right?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and Joel, not only did so far, he's gotten away with it, which we'll talk about in a minute, but one of one of the more disturbing things that was brought up by one of the senators was that this I didn't know.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: When COVID was going on and people, all these people were dying, right?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: And we had all these locks downs, and businesses were closing down, and children were out of school, uh, you know, sent home, all the things that happened.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Fauci was actually he was actually bringing in money for himself for cash prizes.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: So he used um federal employees, like his federal employees, on federal time, using federal resources, to apply for cash prizes that apparently totaled around a million dollars.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: So he had re so allegedly he has eight federal employees that applied for cash awards for him.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: He would even email saying, Hey, do you think that I qualify to win this award?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then they applied for the awards for him.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then, so as you know, Joel, it's against the law for federal employee to accept um money, like cash prizes and stuff like that.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: They they can't actually accept that.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so then he had he had them go to these, like the ethics committee, the ethics organization, and basically could tell them that Fauci should be an exception, that he should actually get this money.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: So he he's and again, this is while COVID was happening.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: He was raking in money on prize, prize money, cash money.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it's unbelievable to me.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like can you give us an example of what one of those prize monies would be?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we're all familiar with uh cracker jacks.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: You had a box of cracker jacks and you and you get a box, you get a prize and a box of cracker jacks.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: But but what is this?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Were these were these grants for research?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Were they no personal money?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Purple Hearts, what yeah, it's personal money.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so um this center actually for doing for doing what?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh combing his hair right?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for for his work that he's been doing in the NIH, in his department, in the NH.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's it's basically for his resume.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, look at me, look at all these things I've done.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So one of them was the Dan David Award, which was a$900,000 cash award.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a whole list that the senator pulled up of all these different um um, you know, awards that he that he had them apply for for him.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's for his accomplishments.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: He wanted to be awarded and recognized through money for his accomplishments.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: And apparently he won almost a million dollars.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's worth about$12 million.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: So he made about a million dollars just from those cash prizes during COVID.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: And now apparently he has a pension where he makes about$400,000 a year.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: When he was um in office, he was making more money than the president of the United States.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that doesn't count the cash prizes.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that was actually shocking to me that it tells you the mindset.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got that going on while he's he's supposed to be focused on the crisis that we were having in our country.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's focused on that.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the entries, or not a lot, but a lot of the entries I read.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a thousand or more of these entries, but many of the entries that I read, there was just a lot of ego.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was in it was a lot focused on him instead of the crisis.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was the face of the response to COVID in America.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: He was supposed to be that trusted person.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: And here he is getting cash prizes.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he's talking about, like, oh, I met with Julia Roberts and, you know, such and such, like, you know, like um Richard Gere, you better watch out, like she likes me or whatever.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, naming all these different famous people that he got to meet, these famous things like dinners he got to go do, like on and on about look at me, I'm famous now.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the most famous per scientist in the world, and da-da-da, you know.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you could read that as, oh, he's just stating the facts, like, but but the fact that sometimes that was the whole diary entry.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like you combine that with the fact that now he's getting these cash prizes, you know, utilizing federal resources to get these cash prizes, when these people should have, these federal employees should have been working on our response to COVID, you know.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so you combine it with all that, um, and then you combine it with the conflicts from the diary versus his public statements, and it it is pretty damning.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um now there's there's actually a question of what happens next.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they these senators brought up a lot of good points and a lot of factual information, and he took the fifth on on everything.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: So he couldn't even he he couldn't even say he was wearing a blue tie.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they asked what color is your tie and like what day of the week it is, and he kept he just kept taking the fifth.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now, um there his actually his lawyer got thrown out.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: So he had like half a dozen lawyers there, and the lawyer got thrown out, and um, I'm not sure that that was um genuine.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I watching it again, this part is total speculation.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I felt like it was staged because um the lawyer was so Fauci had at least half a dozen lawyers there.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: And one of his lawyers, as one of the senators said, is um he's the he defended um Senator uh who is it?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Men Yeah, Men Menendez.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Menendez, who took the gold bars.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Took the gold bars.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he defended him.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so you know, not very credible people here, but or morally uh high people here.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, the lawyer, this one lawyer was asked not to sit at the table next to Fauci because this was a subpoena.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Fauci was subpoenaed.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: The lawyer was not subpoenaed, so it he he does is not been asked to come and sit.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can have lawyers present when you're subpoenaed, but they have to talk to you directly.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: They cannot talk to the Senate committee.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: So the lawyer starts just speaking to the committee.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: And Rand Paul repeatedly told him to stop.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he told him how he can sit there and talk to Fauci, but he has not been addressed, like he's not been invited to it, and nobody has addressed him.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: He is not allowed to speak.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: And he gave him a warning.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: He said, if you speak again, I'm gonna throw you out.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: He spoke again, and then he gave him another warning.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: And finally, uh Rand Paul had him removed by security, and a lot of people in the audience cheered that he got removed.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um then, you know, one of the Democrat senators, then about maybe maybe 30 minutes or so later, read a statement from the lawyer.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I couldn't tell if it was a statement that the lawyer gave him previously, or if that if it was the same lawyer who got kicked out and he posted something on social, and then that Democrat happened to be, you know, his staffers were watching it and gave it to him to read.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but somehow he, that Democratic senator read a statement from the lawyer, and that statement was saying basically that Fauci has the right to the Fifth Amendment.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because many of the a couple of the Republican senators were saying you don't have a right to invoke the fifth because you've already been pardoned.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: And the lawyer was saying he does have a right to invoke the fifth and actually was implying that he's gonna bring Ron um Rand Paul up on charges, like potentially criminal charges.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it got nasty, and then Rand Paul responded.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um actually, I was surprised how it was surprising how calm he was.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: He actually responded saying that the that the senators cannot read statements from the lawyer.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not a court hearing.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that so they are not allowed to provide statements that are going to be read to the Senate.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that basically because he invoked his Fifth Amendment right, um, he he should not have even have made that opening statement.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, so that's where they are now.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's the they're trying to figure out it, it's a constitutional matter now.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um so they're trying to figure out a couple things.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: So Fauci made a statement, an opening statement, but then he pleaded the fifth on everything else.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like, is that can you actually do that?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because then you can't actually address anything that he stated um, you know, in his opening remarks.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they're also trying to figure out if they can hold him in contempt.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: The last I checked, uh, Randpaul was saying that he was gonna conduct a committee vote on a resolution to hold Fauci in contempt of Congress and that that might happen this next week.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: So by the time this comes out, it should be the week, that week.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see what happens.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile, um the Florida Attorney General has launched a state-level investigation into Anthony Fauci because of his quote, lack of candor before Congress.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he's saying, or this attorney general is saying that the autopen pardon doesn't cover state level crimes.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that states could potentially bring him, you know, in front of a jury, you know, charge him and bring him in front of in front of a jury.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of this is right now hinging on does he have this Fifth Amendment right?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: If a state can actually bring charges, um then I think his Fifth Amendment right still applies.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because otherwise he can incriminate himself.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even because the pardon, he has a full pardon, but there but people are st arguing that this full pardon only exists on a federal level.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: So so from what the from what the senators said, is there enough evidence with without him saying a word to actually um try him for something?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: To to to to um to pin some crime on him.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, from you know, from treason to murder to perjury to I don't know, I don't know.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I I'm not a I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what all the possibilities are, but uh I mean I mean they because yes, they asked their questions, but they also as a group I mean the the Republicans at least um made a whole lot of accusations.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: They used that time to actually build a case with the stuff that they had found independently of his testimony to build a case against him.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't just it wasn't just their questions and him saying, I'm not gonna answer.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it was them having a platform, a national platform, to actually bring to the American people, here's here's what here's what we've found.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I felt like so two things.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: One was I was actually really impressed with the tag teaming.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Republicans had obviously worked together, and at least in my opinion, because they covered specific topics.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: And some of them even had huge boards.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: That they held up with charts and everything, like they didn't have a lot of redundancy.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they brought up facts and they used the diary and then they used government statistics and facts, you know, things that would be harder to question because it's from the government itself.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I felt like they did bring up some things that if he if he could be charged, like on a state level, for example, um I mean, because obviously he's pardoned on the federal level.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: But putting all that aside, okay, clearly it sounds like that whole using federal employees on federal time with federal resources and taking money, these cash prizes, that could be a charge.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, also, um, there's conflicting uh also he perjured himself.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: It, you know, if that was a big thing.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is he gonna speak?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because if he if he didn't have the pardon and then we found out all these things, and then he had to admit he did this, he would be um, he would have perjured himself because he already has said in some of these hearings, he's denied all these things that are now in his diary, in his own words, that he actually did.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that could be perjury.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, like I said, the cash prizes.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's also accusations of shredding documents, you know.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: So people around him who shredded documents.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know that I didn't read every single email, so I don't know if that's in an email form.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like you could directly attach it to him.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that would have to be, you know, investigated further.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: But there did seem to be things that you could actually charge somebody with.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I I mean, people are wanting him to be charged with murder and things like that.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, I I just think that's a whole different ball game and probably not even I I'm not sure that that's that's possible or that you would even do that.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know people are angry, but I I don't know.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of hyperbole, right?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know what I'm trying to say?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's you can't it's not as direct as some of these other things that they have found.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not as clear-cut as these other things that they found.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: They I was surprised one of them, one of these senators said that in her in her research, she actually she tracked um the government accountability office, they tracked about one point$1.4 million to Wuhan, like I through the Wuhan lab, which again I said passed through the Equal Health Alliance.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she was saying that they used um they use that funding path to obscure recording, the grant funding.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that they also remember when the whole theory of it was in the Wuhan marketplace that this thing started, like that wet, that wet market.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: That relied on the theory that it this um virus had a natural origin, that it had natural gain of function, right?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was in nature.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was published in a paper, and that paper was used to substantiate that claim.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: She's saying that what she found is that um the the original authors of that paper that were claiming natural origin were given around nine million dollars in NIH grants.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: So she is she is claiming there that they were kind of paid off.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um another thing that she brought up, and I don't know the specifics behind this one, but she did say that uh they found that some of the research that was being conducted, they used mice to research post-COVID work, and in these mice, they actually they took uh organs and like body parts from almost uh five-month-old aborted babies, and they put them in these mice.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: And they use that to research the human b human babies, yes.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: And now the current NIH um has stopped that is what she said.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: I had not heard that before.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was very upsetting to hear that.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but that's another example of something that our taxpayer dollars have been funding.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: But again, the current NIH apparently has stopped that, according to that senator.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I'm saying listening to this, uh, it brought back a you know a lot of memories.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: It filled in the blanks for some things.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it brought up some new information that wasn't known.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: It helped to um get you in the mindset of what was happening to this, you know, top doctor in the world at that time.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it also was a little disappointing to me because um it was pretty much split down the party line.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was for the most part, it was uh the Democratic senators defending Fauci and gushing all over him, and it was the Republicans coming out with you know, this is what you did, and this was wrong, and we need accountability.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt like, haven't we moved past this?
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are we so partisan still?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, and I don't want that to set this tone for the country.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh things have just become so violent, you know, and like with Charlie Kirk's assassination and and threats, you know, death threats and whatnot.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not understanding why they don't lead, right?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Their job is to try to find truth, to get to that's what the committee is for, is to uncover the truth.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Cena, you're so naive.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're so naive.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh their goal is not to find truth.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's supposed to be.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's to crucify the opposition.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, yeah, you know, um, I'm I'm being a little bit satirical there, but but yeah, you're right.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh what I mean when you think back, and again, we're not trying to be partisan here at all, but when you think back of you know, the Democrat Party that was that that, you know, at least in our lifetime, is the champion of the downtrodden, the ja champion of the the uh abused.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we've got how many how many federal programs do we have because of Democrats, um, you know, welfare benefits and college help and all sorts of things.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I'm not I'm not saying any of it's good or bad or uh uh ugly.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying that it's it's the Republican Party that has that has um injected the federal government into such a you know such uh an invasive uh rate in in our country.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: And is is that is that how simple this explanation is?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when when I look at the the partisanship there, virtually all the Republicans wanted to run Fauci out of town, all the Democrats wanted to make a you know a bronze statue out of him.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you have that level of it, is it really as simple as the Democrats just love the government?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you're from the government, they love you?
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is that how simple it is?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it could be that one of the recurring themes was the lack of the loss of trust in the government bodies, and that that was the outcome of COVID.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so it could be that they're trying to um kind of like save face, right?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to build that trust.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: If if Fauci goes down, then what happens?
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: Are we gonna trust the government less?
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Or are you going to trust them more because somebody was finally held accountable for something?
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a big gamble to take.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: For people who love the government and believe in the government, it's a big gamble to take.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it could be that they're trying to uh, you know, save that, carry on that kind of perception in trust of the government, even though polls show that we're at, you know, people do not trust the government anymore.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: But um but I I will say, Joel, that what wait, how long do we have?
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do we have a few minutes?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we've got about five minutes.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if we can have the this whole discussion in that point.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: But one thing um I did agree with um what Democrat, um Richard Blumenthal, uh on one of his points.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: He he talked about how um and he and at least one other Democratic senator talked about how we're having problems with our food supply.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and of course, you know, when he said it, basically he was saying that this hearing is to distract from Trump's failures, and some of those failures are the food supply.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I agree that we're having issues with the food supply.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: He brought up the Cyclospora-linked lettuce.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's the one that's been in the news that it's affected almost infected almost 2,000 people with 98 hospitalizations.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is from June.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: From June um from June 22nd to July 20th.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's been reported in illnesses reported in nine states that are stemming from this lettuce that came from Taylor Farms.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, there's also, I don't know if you've heard about this one recently, but there's that seminella.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, so we're all right, so where's where's Taylor Farms?
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this was um so Taylor Farms is one of the country's largest producers of salad grains.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: And this recall from the US market involved all iceberg lettuce from central Mexico, and it was shipped to 27 different states.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, this is what I thought was interesting about this story.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, super frustrating and sad that all these people are getting sick with this.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but and they think if the cases are going to continue to rise as well, by the way.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, this is an example of how our modern industrial food supply is optimized for low cost and high throughput and not for redundancy or biosecurity.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's another example that when it's concentrated, the food supply is concentrated in the hands of a few mega suppliers, that you get issues that balloon into a national food security crisis instead of remaining on the local level.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, Taylor Farms, get this, Joel.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: They supply Walmart, Costco, Target, Sam's Club, Amazon Fresh, Kroger, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Sprouts, Alberson's, Safeway, Ralph's, Vaughn's, Publix, Wegmans, Giant Food, and more.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they supply uh restaurants and fast food chains like Taco Bell, Chipotle, Subway, McDonald's, Jack of the Box, Olive Garden, Red Lobster.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got lettuce that's being supplied to you know, Whole Foods and also McDonald's.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same lettuce, right?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's across all these different um companies.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I I'm hoping that this is one of these wake-up calls to people that we really do have kind of like a you know, oligarchy, if you want to call it, or you you have a better word for it than me, but it's so centralized that it really is the power in the hands of a few.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, when they make this one mistake, it's affecting all these people.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: If we just had a more localized food supply, we could avoid these things.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: The same thing happened with the eggs, the salmonella outbreak.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's traced back to eggshells from Midwest Poultry Service LP, which is an Indiana-based conglomerate operating farms in Texas.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: This was a recall that was issued on July 21st.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: It covers more than 1.5 million shell eggs, both white and brown cage-free varieties.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: And again, this um farm packages eggs for multiple third-party brands and private labels from like Kroger's, Simple Truth, um, Country Morning, and they do bulk sales to different restaurants and cafeterias.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: So they process eggs, get this, at two facilities in Texas, but because they supply nationwide, one contamination event compromised 19 million eggs and caused illnesses um in 17 states.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: So 17 states.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that's coming from just two facilities in in Texas.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: And they haven't even been able to track all of it, right?
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's going into bulk sales at restaurants and cafeterias.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: So so to to to um that's a great tee up for the whole Fauci discussion, which which comes down to trust.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: And and and this is what is so um enigmatic to me.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: It it's it it's beyond just crazy.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's enigmatic that these um that these Democrats would be so um so uh um uh committed, so committed to defending their government man.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and so here we are in the food system.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: What's the response to these to the eggshells and the lettuce problem?
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: The response is, well, the government was sleeping on the job.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, actually, the government was doing way, way too much creating consolidation in the industry.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what what we what we need is for the government to not do anything and let farmers markets and private gardens and small local businesses uh uh take over.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and so so it really does come down to trust and who are you willing to defend when the chips are down, who are you gonna go to the mat to defend?
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just amazing to me that people that that it really does come down to do we trust the government or we do we not?
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: And and that at our 250th uh anniversary is what led to the American Revolution.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: Who do you trust?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do you trust the British or do we trust ourselves?
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's the same, it's the same argument, the same philosophical political question that we've been dealing with forever.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and and to realize that when the when the American Revolution started, most people, I mean, these were Britishers.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: They they were going to defend the king.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the the the ones who wanted to break were rabble rousers.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_00: They were, I mean, if there'd have been a press today, they would have been vilified.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: The main sprint mainstream press would have been the British.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're British.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: We we drink tea, we love the king, we, you know, uh we're British.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so what we've done now in our country, if I may just just speak to the issue, we've got such a bloated, interventionist, manipulative swamp government.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's so big that that that defending it defending that level of size and intervention is is equivalent to defending British intervention uh in the colonies leading up the American Revolution.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same, it's the same mentality.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: We defend the the the interventionist uh policy and um and and we and we just trust it simply because we don't trust individuals, we don't trust our neighbors, I don't trust you, and so I need a bigger government to make sure that you're held in check.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's the it's that same, it's that same basic philosophical thing.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think one of the things that that amazes me more than anything out of the whole was not how much Fauci lied or or how many, you know, all the little uh things about it, but just the fact that that it's such a partisan thing that the Democrats are willing to circle the wagons around a scoundrel.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you hit the navel on the head.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's just because they cannot afford, they cannot afford for Americans to begin thinking maybe we shouldn't have such a big government.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: They cannot afford to have that happen.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: So even if they've got a scoundrel in command, they can't afford to let that happen.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I I was trying to think of what's a positive note, like like what's a positive thing that came out of this, other than my kids now definitely know what pleading the fifth means, you know?
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh I came up with a couple things.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: So let's see if you agree with this, okay?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: And one of them's kind of new to our podcast.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the first one is uh the the lettuce and the egg story fits perfectly in with what we're talking about, as you mentioned.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you have previously mentioned that if you're gonna grow one thing, grow lettuce, right?
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Grow the green stuff because it is the most likely to be contaminated.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it it it does, it doesn't have a kill step.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's not frozen, it's not cooked, and so it it it and and and this stuff, lettuce is in a dark, damp, cool environment.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: What better environment to grow to grow uh pathogens?
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that would be a great start.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: If somebody is not already growing any of their own food, you can grow lettuce even on like in your window seal, you know, or on a table that gets light coming into the window.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, it's not as ideal as outside because it filters out some of the sun rays, but we're not going for perfection, we're just going for entry.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you that's one way you can enter.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: You can even just get seeds and just put them in in a pot and use it as your centerpiece on your table.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_00: And super simple.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: And as an as an encouragement to everybody, if you have ever been intimidated or or can I don't have a green thumb, I've never grown anything.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you've ever been intimidated by that, trust me, of all the things you could possibly grow, lettuce is probably the easiest thing you can ever grow.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's much easier than tomatoes.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: Peppers, corn, green beans, all the different things.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: Lettuce is simple.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's simple.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's very simple.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: And we grew, we like to grow on our centerpiece, like uh, what's it called?
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: Cut and come again.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what it's called, Joel?
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then you just pick it and it grows back.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it is incredible and it tastes great.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that is my easy entry point solution for today that helps you bring your food supply back to your local table, you know, low your local environment.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it will help you to avoid getting uh cyclospora and things like that.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in terms of the the bigger picture that we've been talking about with the hearings, I walked away thinking it again, it comes back to local, focusing on local.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: And one thing I want to bring up is that um I wonder, you know, this might be a good listener question.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: Joel, I may have actually come up with a good listener question for once.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, good mark it down.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: Mark it down.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to know how many of our listeners know their local sheriff.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know the local sheriff's name?
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever talked to your local sheriff or got to introduce yourself or at least known the show the sheriff's name?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't think I certainly didn't know until later in life how much the local sheriff has influence over your individual liberties.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: They hold profound direct authority over your daily liberties.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, a sheriff exercises vast discretionary power regarding which state and federal laws are prioritized, how constitutional rights like due process and property rights are protected, how local detention and court orders are handled.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: And unlike municipal police chiefs, who they usually answer to like city managers or mayors, an elected sheriff, yeah, he's um, he answers directly to the local electorate, right?
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: You elect them.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: So they're more independent, right?
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they're more they could be more heavily influenced by you, and they heavily influence your daily life and your community safety.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I really want to encourage people, you know, stay stay abrupt of what's happening nationally when you can, right?
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to overwhelm yourself and get depressed because a lot of it's sad news.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm really trying to encourage people now, really uh understand your local politics.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_01: Get out there and meet your sheriff, you know, know who you're voting for when it comes time to vote for your local officials, including your sheriff.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: Would you agree, Joel?
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do you agree, Joel?
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: I agree on both counts.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: Grow lettuce and um and grow grow lettuce and feed it to your sheriff.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: Although your sheriff would probably rather eat one of your pastured chickens than a head of lettuce.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh knowing more most sheriffs.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: But um, they're good old boys.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're good old boys.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_00: But they they yeah, they they have they have incredible latitude in um in enforcement, and we've certainly uh used ours uh in the past.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've spoken about it here on the podcast where I've gone to him to get agreements to keep agents away from the farm and different uh federal agents away from the farm and different things.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a great question, Cena.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great way to end the end the program today.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: How many of you know the name of your local sheriff or have had you know some sort of built any kind of relationship with him?
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you have tell us how you built the relationship.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if you haven't, tell us what you're gonna do.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's great.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_00: Great question, Cena.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, home run for the day.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, thank you for joining us on another Beyond Labels podcast.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_00: We are uh so appreciative and honored to have you with us, and we look forward to visiting with you again next week.