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Ethan Booker, MD, Chief Medical Officer of Telehealth and Medical Director of MedStar Telehealth Innovation Center at MedStar Health · Becker’s Healthcare - Clinical Leadership Podcast

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  This is Laura Deda with the Becker's Healthcare Podcast.
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  I'm thrilled today to be joined by Dr. Ethan Booker,
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  chief Medical Officer of Telehealth and Medical director of MedStar Telehealth
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  Innovation Center at MedStar Health. Dr.
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  Booker is a pleasure to have you on the podcast today.
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  Thank you, Laura. Thanks for having me.
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  Now, I know we have a lot to talk about,
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  and I'm excited to get into the meat of our discussion because I know Telehealth
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  and virtual care is something that is on the top of so many minds in healthcare
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  today, and really making sure doing it right is a top priority.
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  But before we dive into that larger discussion,
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  could you tell us a little bit more about yourself and your background? Sure.
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  I think it's,
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  it's useful to kind of set me within the context of my health system, I think.
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  So as you mentioned,
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  I'm the Chief Medical Officer for Telehealth at MedStar Health,
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  which is kind of an interesting role, not a,
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  not a role we needed a few years ago,
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  and one that I've grown into as our health system's capabilities in telehealth,
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  uh, have come along. So, um,
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  MedStar Health is the largest healthcare provider in the Maryland and Washington
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  DC region. Um, spread out over more than 300 locations in 10 hospitals,
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  uh, urgent care clinics, ambulatory care centers,
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  really all of the features of a regional, uh, health system,
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  including a focus on, on the academics that we produce and research,
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  education and training. Uh, and our, uh,
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  when you sort of flagship academic hospital, MedStar,
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  Georgetown University Hospital,
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  the journey that I have had myself as I'm,
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  I'm an emergency physician and I've been working clinically at MedStar MedStar
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  Washington Hospital Center in DC for, uh, this will make 18 years,
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  uh, now,
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  and have had the opportunity to work in a variety of areas around innovation and
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  improvement, um, air medical transport, uh, that kind of thing.
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  And starting in 2015 began to have the opportunity to use telehealth to
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  improve operations in our emergency departments. Uh,
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  and so in 2017 when the MedStar Institute for Innovation,
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  where I sit now, uh, chartered the MedStar Telehealth Innovation Center,
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  uh, I came on board in partnership with Bill Sheehan, my boss,
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  the Chief Innovation Officer, uh, now of MedStar Health. Uh,
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  and we began to build the capabilities, uh, of,
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  of telehealth that really prepared us for, uh, the moment, uh,
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  in March of 2020 when much of what we built, uh, came to fruition.
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  And I think we'll probably spend some time talking about the journey from,
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  from that date onward and, and where we're at now.
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  Absolutely. I think that's such a great point because for so many,
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  that inflection point of the pandemic beginning really put them down, uh,
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  a very fast paced journey towards virtual care and telehealth,
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  and one that they weren't necessarily prepared for at the beginning,
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  but you know, now are really able to lean into and become, uh,
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  advanced within that technology in that space. So based on your experience,
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  and especially the last two years,
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  what are you seeing as some of the big opportunities as well as headwinds that
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  you have your eye on?
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  Yeah, I think there continues to be, um, you know, a lot of excitement, uh,
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  about the opportunities that are in front of us in telehealth and,
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  and using those tools really to expand the envelope of,
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  of the way that we care for folks. You know, we're really excited that,
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  you know, just recently in, in March of 2023,
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  we surpassed 2 million telehealth encounters over the,
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  that three year increment that I, that I mentioned starting in March of 2020.
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  And as an, an academic health center, we're, um,
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  excited about the opportunities to develop better learning in that space,
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  including research that,
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  that I co-lead with partners in the MedStar Health Research Institute,
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  as well as partners at Stanford and Intermountain in the,
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  the Connected Care Access Research Equity and Safety Consortium, the,
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  the Connected Care and Safety Consortium for short, um, that,
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  that is supported by grant work from A H R Q that we're just really excited
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  about the opportunities to focus on safety and quality in the
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  delivery of telehealth. I think those are some of the opportunities that we're,
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  that we're really excited about. Lets kind of demonstrate, um, the,
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  the success that one can have and really changing the care model for,
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  for the way we, we care for patients. And I think that's really, you know,
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  the big opportunities here are, are about creating continuity with patients,
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  really creating an experience that that is,
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  is or can be ubiquitous without being invasive, uh,
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  to really change the, the model of care delivery and think, uh,
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  really about the care delivery as opposed to the location per se. Um,
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  so those are the, some of the opportunities kind of in a,
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  in a global sense that we're excited about. Um,
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  I think that the headwinds, as you mentioned, um, are kind of,
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  they're kind of twofold in some ways, um, or at least how i,
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  I am experiencing them myself in, in, in our organization.
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  The major one that's external is really the evolving telehealth policy
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  landscape. Um,
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  and that is a really complicated one because it's not just sort of one set of
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  rules. It is the rules that are determined at the federal level,
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  um, by acts of Congress, by the regulatory environment, uh, of the,
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  the many agencies that are involved, whether that's hhs, um,
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  and Medicare rules,
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  or how it is that they guide states and Medicaid implementation, uh,
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  as well as other regulatory agencies like DEA regarding controlled
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  substances, and then each of the states individually, uh,
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  having their own, uh, rules and regulations and reimbursement landscapes,
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  which really does create a significant headwind for how it is that we move
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  forward. Now, the thing that's really very positive is that,
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  um, the federal legislation, uh,
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  that came out towards the end of the calendar year last year,
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  ongoing guidance from those regulatory agencies is very positive
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  as a whole, um, as is the state environment as a whole.
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  Um,
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  but the complexity of the interaction between the two kind of creates this
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  circumstance of, of some uncertainty, um, about,
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  you know, for any individual provider thinking, well,
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  for the things that I do, what does that mean for me?
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  And what does that mean for me in the way that I approach my patients
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  cohesively? Right? Because it's not as if, particularly around telehealth,
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  you're dealing only with one state jurisdiction,
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  or you're da dealing only with one payer. You really have to approach,
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  you know, a kind of all jurisdiction, all payer model, you know,
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  in a place like, like, uh, MedStar Health spread out over dc, Maryland,
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  and Virginia.
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  That can create the kind of complexity that creates the second headwind,
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  which is one that's internal. And this is true for all health systems,
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  that complexity and uncertainty creates a,
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  a sense of a conservative approach. Um,
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  and so the challenge or headwind that,
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  that is created by those external features comes in the internal environment
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  by trying to help us, you know,
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  we try to be clear with our organization what's permissible,
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  what's reimbursable, uh, what's kind of safe and high quality,
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  what's equitable, uh, that kind of guidance.
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  And we really have to be consistent in that messaging,
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  both understanding it from those external, um, parties,
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  but also being able to communicate it effectively to our own people so that we
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  can remove that uncertainty and that bit of hesitancy, um,
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  that that can prevent us from leading as,
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  as much into these opportunities as we'd really love to. Um, so I,
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  I think those are the two things that kind of contribute both that regulatory
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  framework that then creates the uncertainty internally that in
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  some circumstances, not all,
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  but some circumstances just kind of creates a hesitancy, uh,
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  that is the job of our innovation institute, uh,
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  to often innovate around and overcome.
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  Absolutely. I, I think that's such a, a great point. And, you know, definitely,
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  um, with video, that uncertainty, whether it's the regulatory,
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  the telehealth or, or anything else, um, that that's happening,
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  I know change is happening so quickly, and so it,
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  it's great to have that kind of outline of, you know,
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  how do you approach that with your team and,
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  and really keep moving forward even though you know that, you know,
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  there are certain things that aren't set in stone. So I,
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  I really appreciate you doing that. Has the team been pretty responsive?
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  Yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's a question of, of consistency, um,
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  and also kind of, you know,
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  the ability to get in with the team themselves and do the work. Um,
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  as I mentioned, I, I've,
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  I've been an emergency physician in my health system for, uh,
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  for getting close to 18 years now, and I work clinically every week,
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  and so experience, uh, what it is to deliver care. Uh,
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  and so I think I have the,
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  the great fortune of being able to engage with service line leaders and
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  frontline clinicians and, and kind of say like, listen, I know this is hard. Um,
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  uh, but this is, this is an opportunity for us to do, um,
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  a better job of, of providing access to our patients, to,
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  to connect to our patients, um, to be, uh,
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  innovative and flexible about our workforce, um,
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  addressing not only the demands, uh, of a really changing environment for,
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  for hiring and, and retaining workforce, but making sure that that,
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  that they're sort of operating efficiently and effectively and,
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  and doing sort of well in the work that they're doing.
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  And I think those are the things that, you know, approach that way.
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  This is a way to, to improve the access to your patients.
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  This is a way to improve the efficiency of our practices. Um,
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  this is high quality care consistently, I do have,
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  have positive results from folks,
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  and we've had just terrific partnership within our system on, on,
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  and not just kind of pivoting, you know,
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  things we used to do in person to now we can do through a different
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  modality, but really rethinking the model of how we're delivering care.
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  Absolutely. I, I think that makes a lot of sense,
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  and definitely it's inspiring to hear that, you know,
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  you're able to really keep your eye on that goal of better patient care. Now,
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  from your vantage point,
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  and especially what you're doing with the telehealth Innovation Center,
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  how would you really see that adding value to the organization overall?
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  Where do you see big opportunities for growth and how are you measuring that?
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  Sure. I, I mean, I think they come along the same lines that I just described.
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  And so I'll, I'll give you an example of, of, again,
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  not just replacing one thing with another, but really pivoting the model.
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  So we are working with our clinical service lines on a model called
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  Connected Care. Um,
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  the implementation of this most in its most mature firm is in primary care.
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  So in our connected primary care model, we have, um,
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  a workforce and workflow transformation in which we've added
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  new workforce, uh,
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  including nurse practitioners and medical assistants who work a hundred percent
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  remotely, uh,
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  and focus on a handful of activities that we know are gonna be high impact.
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  Um, those activities include same day and next day telehealth, uh,
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  appointments with established patients, because as I pointed out,
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  access is a critical issue. Uh,
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  and so we've been able to improve access to our primary care footprint,
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  um, as measured by third next available appointment. Uh, in those, um,
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  practices in which we've implemented,
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  we're about two thirds of the way through scaling through this implementation,
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  uh,
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  at which point all 360 of our employee and primary care providers
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  will be supported in this model. Now,
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  what was important about the change was not just inserting telehealth
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  to, to drive this change,
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  but we protect nearly 50% of the time of those nurse practitioners
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  to do the kind of asynchronous work, um, that's really important for access,
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  but also, um,
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  was sometimes preventing our primary care physicians from focusing on the
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  face-to-face encounters that they really wanted to be doing.
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  So those activities include things like prescription refills,
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  uh, portal message management, lab follow up,
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  and also opportunities to be the,
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  the supervising clinician for remote patient monitoring for folks with chronic
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  illnesses that are appropriate for that, for that, um, type of service.
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  So, um,
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  the prescription refill in particular is worth pointing out as a, as a way of,
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  of leveraging a remote workforce and asynchronous type of work.
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  And we've also, um,
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  inserted some automations into that process to make it as efficient as possible.
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  And the,
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  the 12 nurse practitioners who are currently in support of our primary care
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  footprint have supported more than 270,000
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  prescription refills that would've previously been done by primary care
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  physicians, either after hours or,
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  or squeezed in between the appointments where they were seeing patients.
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  So in addition to the,
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  the nearly 20,000 telehealth visits that we've done, um,
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  which were access to our established patients,
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  we were able to take the load of those prescription refills off of,
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  of the primary care physicians.
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  And we've measured the impact of that through a couple of different ways.
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  One of them is about our cycle time to refill these prescriptions,
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  which has improved significantly,
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  but another one is actually after hours EHR time by the
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  supported physicians.
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  So we've been able to demonstrate in some of the practices that have really
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  leaned into this somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% reduction and after hours
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  EHR time for providers.
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  So that's that 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM or 9:00 PM time that most primary
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  care doctors will tell you was, um,
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  every day something that they were doing, uh, and what really was,
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  was not the most fun thing they could do in their practice. And so by,
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  by taking that and being thoughtful about how we manage it, uh,
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  we've been able to allow those primary care physicians to actually have some
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  increased capacity in their day to see new patients or more
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  complex patients. And so in addition to generating the,
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  the novel revenue of those telehealth visits for the nurse practitioners,
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  the productivity of the supported physicians has also gone up.
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  This is a model that is entirely additive.
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  It's not just moving fingers around from one to another. Um,
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  and the impact of patients has really been significant. We,
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  like a lot of health systems use press gainy to understand the experience of our
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  patients, uh,
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  and we've seen some really significant improvements in percentile rankings,
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  particularly along the lines of access, uh,
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  of our patient experience scores as we've scaled this model through our primary
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  care footprint. Um, right now we're also using this model,
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  not an exact replication,
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  but really a framework of how we think about using these technologies, uh,
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  in cardiology. Uh,
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  and also we're thinking about the opportunities to use this not just as a sort
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  of service line transformation,
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  but to think cohesively about a disease condition or a patient population.
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  So we're also applying this model to diabetes, um, as a,
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  as an approach where we're looking at the opportunities to, uh,
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  engage patients with a chatbot remote patient monitoring, uh,
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  grouped sessions for diabetes education. And again,
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  kind of leaning into the model of how it is we can optimize our resources,
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  which we're a big health system. We have, we have,
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  we are well resourced in many ways, but we,
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  like other health systems are constrained and how do we become very efficient,
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  uh, while also improving the quality of care we deliver? And that's a,
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  a kind of way of thinking about how we use these tools, uh,
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  to really to move forward and not just in a, um,
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  incremental replacement, but really in a, a transformational way.
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  I love that. I, I think it makes so much sense to, um, you know,
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  think through how you can leverage that technology, um,
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  to make things easier for the clinicians as well as patients and, and, uh,
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  become more efficient as an organization.
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  And I really appreciate the detailed way that you went through how you track and
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  measure and think about, you know,
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  what that return on investment for these changes and these technologies are.
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  And speaking of that, I know that, um, you know, um,
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  right now is a particularly challenging time for many industries,
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  but healthcare in particular dealing with inflation and in short staffing from
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  many organizations. And so from your perspective,
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  what do you see as being an important investment or a risk that's still worth
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  taking, taking, um, even as healthcare resources and dollars are precious?
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  Yeah, it's a, it's a great question. I,
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  I think what I laid out for you in our connected care models was focused on the
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  ambulatory environment, you know, um, the, the clinic, the office,
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  the patient's home. Um, but obviously we're a, we're a hospital system. Um,
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  and so, um,
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  there is a significant amount of opportunity in, um,
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  in making smart investments in our inpatient footprint. Um, and,
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  uh, we also have a, a very large, uh, nursing workforce,
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  which is one of the areas that like other health systems,
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  uh, is a risk. Um, and,
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  and our ability to recruit and re and retain nursing staff,
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  uh,
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  is really an important part of where we see value for ourselves going forward.
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  So, um, we think that the inpatient environment,
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  starting at the patient and thinking about the patient's, um,
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  autonomy and control of their environment through technology is an important
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  place to be making an investment,
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  but also one that we can effectively leverage to make ourselves more efficient.
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  Uh, meaning, um,
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  getting more technology at the bedside for the patient to
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  feel connected, um, to their care team,
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  to the services that we provide to their family members, um,
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  as a way of staying connected to them while they're in the hospital,
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  whether they happen to be, you know, just across town or across the country,
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  that digital connection's really important at the bedside,
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  but it also allows us to bring services to the patients such as our palliative
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  care team, uh, which has a really robust capability, uh,
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  and is really leaned into telehealth as a way to deliver those services. Um,
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  our acute pain service, uh, is rounding on patients fairly routinely.
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  Uh,
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  and we're working on ways in which to deliver things like chaplain services and
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  music therapy, uh,
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  and case management to the bedside in a way that is efficient and effective,
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  standardized and centralized throughout our system.
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  So that introduction of technology at the patient bedside in the inpatient
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  setting is a place where we think it's worth making an investment,
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  but it has a set of risks as well. Um,
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  the introduction of new technology to a workflow always comes with the risk of
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  friction.
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  And so kind of an additional part of the investment we've made is a group of,
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  of of our associates that called Telehealth technology coordinators or TTCs,
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  uh, that really grew out of a,
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  a kind of redeployment and volunteer program that started during covid,
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  but it's matured and formalized to be a group of people,
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  non-clinical people, um,
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  who can be quickly dispatched with appropriate technology to a patient's bed ti
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  bedside to kind of proactively prevent that friction from
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  occurring either from the patient side.
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  And really importantly from the nursing side,
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  we want our nurses to be focused on clinical care of patients and not doing
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  these things that are, that are not clinical care, that are,
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  that are not within where they should be spending their time and energy. And,
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  and so the TTC gets to the bedside and facilitates that encounter to make sure
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  it's, it's seamless for the patient, that it's comfortable for the patient,
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  and that if you're a palliative care physician who needs to be engaged with the
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  patient and the patient's family members,
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  you have certainty that that connection's gonna happen.
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  And you yourself don't have to do the troubleshooting as a clinician to
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  make sure that it happens, but it's really all queued up for you.
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  So we think there's great opportunity for an improved experience
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  for patients and their families, uh,
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  in the inpatient setting through greater control of their environment,
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  some autonomy, more connection, more information,
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  more ability to deliver education, a more seamless, um,
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  transition back into the, their home in the ambulatory setting, uh,
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  but also for us to be more efficient as a business to distribute
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  services more effectively. But, and,
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  and that may come at, you know,
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  we wanna make sure it doesn't come at the cost of distracting
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  clinicians from doing the work they should be focused on.
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  And so we've made that investment for someone who's really proactively there to
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  make sure it doesn't become an environmental full of friction.
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  That's such a great point. Dr. Booker, thank you so much for, um,
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  jumping in and talking through all of that. Now I know we're, um,
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  ha have had a great conversation. And before we wrap up, I just wanted to know,
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  is there anything else you see as great opportunities for growth in the future
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  or anything else you wanted to leave us with?
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  Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know,
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  I started by talking about opportunities for continuity. You know,
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  I mentioned this connected care environment I mentioned, um,
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  talking about the inpatient environment and,
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  and some more patient technology there that allows a more seamless
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  transition back home, back to the ambulatory environment. And I, I,
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  I think, you know, just sort of again, globally strategically,
• 23:08
  the opportunities to really create continuity, um,
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  and what I would describe as, as a,
• 23:14
  a ubiquitous experience without being invasive is really
• 23:19
  where the opportunities are for growth. Um, and what I mean by that,
• 23:23
  ubiquitous but non-invasive experience would include things like remote patient
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  monitoring,
• 23:29
  partnering with patients to understand their own consumer wearables.
• 23:35
  Um,
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  really thinking about a cohesive approach to partnership with patients
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  about the data they are collecting in many ways themselves, uh,
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  and how we can create for them a climate of care, um,
• 23:50
  that is less dependent upon the locations where they happen to
• 23:55
  be for care. Um, meaning not just at home,
• 23:58
  but at work and in transition and as they go to visit family and friends
• 24:03
  and, and really being available to our patients in a way that is
• 24:08
  really continuous and comprehensive. Uh,
• 24:12
  and to do that in a way that also meets the needs, um,
• 24:16
  that they're likely gonna have proactively, uh,
• 24:19
  and rather rather than waiting reactively for an encounter to occur.
• 24:24
  Um, and I think there's gonna be lots of different pieces and parts, uh,
• 24:28
  to do that effectively. That means thoughtful change about our ehr, um,
• 24:32
  which is still encounter based. Uh, it means thoughtful, um,
• 24:37
  changes about data, data security, um,
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  how we collaborate with patients on the data they're collecting themselves and
• 24:44
  how we visualize it, how we manage the noise of all of that.
• 24:49
  Um, so I think there are definitely challenges in there,
• 24:53
  but I see great opportunity, um,
• 24:56
  for application in that space of really thinking about ubiquity, um,
• 25:01
  and continuity.
• 25:03
  Absolutely. Dr. Booker, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast today.
• 25:06
  This has been such a fun and interesting conversation,
• 25:08
  and I look forward to connecting with you again soon.
• 25:11
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