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Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Oct 28 2026 · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
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  Speaker 2: So we've covered a lot of the big races today.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, had the Republican nominees or the incumbents in
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  Speaker 2: some cases with us here. We've had Houston of Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: It's barely a heck of a defensive back. 17 interceptions,
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  Speaker 2: a lot, Buck. Yeah, and the president gave a lot
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  Speaker 2: of credit to his backside. That is a real thing
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  Speaker 2: that happened. Just so you know, I'm not making that up.
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  Speaker 2: You also had with us, of course, Mike Rogers of Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: and he's in that critical race.
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  Speaker 1: Alaska, though. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We have a very loyal and wonderful listenership up in Alaska,
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  Speaker 2: which is so cool the way all this technology works.
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  Speaker 2: You can listen to us a lot, because I've been
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  Speaker 2: to Alaska, unlike some people on this radio show.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to Alaska, and it is far.
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  Speaker 2: It is a long way from the East Coast, I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you that. So it's really cool that you
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  Speaker 2: can all listen to us up there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This story about your Senate race, Alaskans, on the one hand,
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of you won't be surprised by it.
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  Speaker 2: And on the other hand, or rather maybe point one
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  Speaker 2: and point two, point two, it should fire you up
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  Speaker 2: even more to make sure that they do not get
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  Speaker 2: away with this chicanery.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the?
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  Speaker 4: That's the right word. I think that's a very well
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  Speaker 4: deployed word there.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Clay, this is the piece you just flagged
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  Speaker 1: it for me. Take us through what happened here.
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  Speaker 2: Inside Democrats' secret effort to stack Alaska's ballot. This is
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  Speaker 2: much more intense than we were told before.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And so this is important. They have registered Daniel J.
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  Speaker 3: Sullivan.
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  Speaker 4: And they're running him against Dan S. Sullivan, so-called decoy Dan.
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  Speaker 4: And the Peltola campaign has tried to say, well, this
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  Speaker 4: just happened by chance. I think all of you out
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  Speaker 4: there know that this did not just happen by chance.
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  Speaker 4: But this is The New York Times saying the Peltola
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  Speaker 4: campaign has repeatedly denied any involvement in his candidacy. But
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  Speaker 4: the Times has found, based on interviews and text messages,
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  Speaker 4: along with documents prepared for a potential lawsuit against the campaign,
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  Speaker 4: that not only did Ms. Patola's team work with people
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  Speaker 4: trying to recruit Mr. Sullivan, that's decoy Dan, to run
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  Speaker 4: for the Senate. But the effort was much broader. The
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  Speaker 4: group worked to coax other would-be spoilers into the race
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  Speaker 4: to dilute the incumbent's support to help catapult the Democrats
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  Speaker 4: to victory. The endeavor, which was internally called the ballot
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  Speaker 4: ballot composition project, involves secret trips to far flung Alaskan communities.
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  Speaker 4: The appearance of a mysterious Midwestern operative who traversed the
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  Speaker 4: state using a fake name. and made his pitch to
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  Speaker 4: would-be candidates over beers at brew pubs. It also involved the,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm reading from the New York Times, it also
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  Speaker 4: involved the Peltola's campaign's lawyers as well as senior aides
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  Speaker 4: at the Democrat Senatorial Campaign Committee, which directs the party's
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  Speaker 4: campaign strategy. From Washington to Anchorage, those advisors participated in
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  Speaker 4: regular conversations about the efforts and even considered forming a
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  Speaker 4: new political party to draw conservatives onto the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: OK, I mean, this.
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  Speaker 4: Was a attempt to steal the election from the sitting
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  Speaker 4: incumbent senator. And it's all out there. They're caught red handed.
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  Speaker 4: There is no defense that this guy, Dan Sullivan, just
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  Speaker 4: happened to have the same name. I think all of
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  Speaker 4: you understand that it was highly improbable that this could occur,
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  Speaker 4: but what this article is demonstrating is they've got the
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  Speaker 4: goods in terms of text messages, emails, and concrete evidence
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  Speaker 4: of exactly how this campaign was directed and went down.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what it does is change any lingering question or
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  Speaker 2: perception that that somehow maybe this guy fake Dan decoy,
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  Speaker 2: Dan came up with this on his own, maybe approach
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  Speaker 2: some Democrat operatives about it. And that there was something
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  Speaker 2: organic or even grassroots about this underhanded campaign, this, uh,
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  Speaker 2: this subterfuge up in the Alaskan, uh, peninsula up on
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  Speaker 2: the Alaskan peninsula. Clay, uh, That's one part of it. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: this was a professional, organized Democrat hit. They, the Democrat operatives,
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  Speaker 2: the people who are paid and part of that complex,
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  Speaker 2: that apparatus, went out to find the fake Sullivan, to
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  Speaker 2: find Decoy Dan. That's part one. But part two that
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  Speaker 2: I have on this still is, I know it's super annoying.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's very gross. We all understand... why this
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  Speaker 2: is wrong and nasty and underhanded.
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  Speaker 1: Is it legal?
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  Speaker 2: That is the question that I still come back to
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  Speaker 2: because right now it's going to happen, it seems. He's
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  Speaker 2: on the ballot. So does this change anything with regard
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  Speaker 2: to the legality of it? Because I don't see it
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  Speaker 2: makes it uglier, but I don't think it makes it
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  Speaker 2: illegal unless I am missing something.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it's fraud. Because you are intentionally, by this evidence,
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  Speaker 4: making it clear that you are trying to confuse voters
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  Speaker 4: and keep them from making the choice that they would make,
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  Speaker 4: but for the confusion of someone of the same name
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  Speaker 4: on the ballot. What they had tried to argue in
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  Speaker 4: the past was, well, there's no evidence that we organized
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  Speaker 4: this and there was no evidence of intent. Based on
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  Speaker 4: the text messages, based on the emails, based on all
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  Speaker 4: the interviews, they talked to 12 people involved in this campaign.
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  Speaker 4: I think it would be impossible to argue that the
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  Speaker 4: direct intent is not to confuse voters in Alaska. And again,
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  Speaker 4: in a highly close contest buck, it could come down
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  Speaker 4: to five or six thousand people clicking the wrong person. Now,
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  Speaker 4: all of you out there listening to us in Alaska,
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  Speaker 4: you need to be hyper aware when you go in.
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  Speaker 4: But if you remember, Buck, back in the day of
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  Speaker 4: the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County. In Florida in 2000,
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  Speaker 4: the way that it was designed was complicated. And so
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  Speaker 4: many people, if you went and looked at the data,
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  Speaker 4: ended up voting against, if I remember correctly, didn't a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people vote for Pat Buchanan? Wasn't he on
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  Speaker 4: the ballot in Florida? back in the day, and he
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  Speaker 4: did insanely better in Palm Beach County. I don't even
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  Speaker 4: think it was voting.
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  Speaker 1: You were like 30 with a house. I was in
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  Speaker 1: grammar school, so I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it was Palm Beach County. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: even that the votes did not go to George W.
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  Speaker 3: Bush.
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  Speaker 4: It was that I feel like maybe Pat Buchanan was
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  Speaker 4: running as an independent on some of these ballots. And
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  Speaker 4: if you looked at the data in Palm Beach County
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  Speaker 4: where the butterfly ballot was, There were way more people
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  Speaker 4: who were voting for Pat Buchanan than you would ever
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  Speaker 4: have anticipated. And it matters when the races are super close.
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  Speaker 4: The margin of error is implicated.
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  Speaker 1: In that way.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think all of this is going to
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  Speaker 4: lead to a significant investigation. Here's the problem, Buck. Six
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  Speaker 4: days till the election. Six days until the election, this
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  Speaker 4: comes out. So I don't know to what extent there
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  Speaker 4: could be an action undertaken. It may be that we
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  Speaker 4: wait and see what the actual result is. I hope
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  Speaker 4: that Alaskans go vote for the real Dan Sullivan. But
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  Speaker 4: if we end up in a situation where the margin
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  Speaker 4: of error is, is such that the votes for the
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  Speaker 4: other Dan Sullivan may have swung the race back to him.
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  Speaker 4: That is significant to monitor. I would also point this out, Buck.
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  Speaker 4: This is a direct result of a multi-year campaign by
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  Speaker 4: Democrats to confuse Alaskans. Ranked choice voting is what makes
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  Speaker 4: this possible. So they can try and intentionally get somebody
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  Speaker 4: named Dan Sullivan on the ballot, because of the way
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  Speaker 4: ranked choice voting works in many different states out there,
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  Speaker 4: you would have a Democrat, you would have a Republican candidate,
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  Speaker 4: but you wouldn't be in this situation where you're having
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  Speaker 4: to rank all of your different candidates and end up
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  Speaker 4: in a situation that is incredibly complicated. So I just
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  Speaker 4: think it's important for us and for all of you
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  Speaker 4: to be sharing with your friends and family in Alaska. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: you need to be very careful. Bring your glasses.
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  Speaker 1: Zoom in.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes the writing on the ballots can be tough. Make
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  Speaker 4: sure he is noted as the incumbent. The real Dan
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  Speaker 4: Sullivan is listed as an incumbent. Make sure that you
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  Speaker 4: are clicking on the correct Dan Sullivan. But I think
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  Speaker 4: this is fraud. And I think there is a legitimate
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  Speaker 4: argument that could be out there that. down the line
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  Speaker 4: there might be an investigation department of justice into exactly what.
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  Speaker 2: Happened look i'm sure the trump if they lose i'm
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  Speaker 2: sure the trump doj is going to look into this
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  Speaker 2: and maybe they will come up with it but it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't fraud require a lie of some kind well they're
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  Speaker 2: not lying they're kind of taking advantage of people's confusion
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  Speaker 2: but they're not lying Do you see what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think they may have lied about how he
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  Speaker 4: ended up on the ballot. So they have said they
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  Speaker 4: might have lied in the process of defending this or that. Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's a different. They may have purged themselves for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Potentially as part of the investigation into this, because what
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  Speaker 4: The New York Times uncovered is they're still saying we
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  Speaker 4: had nothing to do with this. and there's actually substantial
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  Speaker 4: evidence that they did. When I look at fraud, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking big picture, I'm not looking at the specific
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  Speaker 4: fraud statutes in Alaska or any particular Department of Justice
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  Speaker 4: federal fraud statute. The intent is what I focus on.
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  Speaker 4: The intent is to confuse and lead people to make
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  Speaker 4: a choice that they otherwise would not have made. What
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  Speaker 4: this article demonstrates is the intent is clearly there. So
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  Speaker 4: you raise a good question about how exactly the language
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  Speaker 4: of a fraud statute would be applied here. But to me,
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  Speaker 4: if you're trying to get people to inaccurately and inadvertently
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  Speaker 4: vote for someone different than their intent, and that is
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  Speaker 4: your goal, and you have explicitly said it, to me
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  Speaker 4: that feels like fraud.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't the Democrats go after somebody for like a tweet when.
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  Speaker 1: Hillary was running against Trump? Do you know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was a meme mocking Hillary Clinton. I think the
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  Speaker 4: guy was convicted.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And he was like, no, it was a joke.
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  Speaker 1: And they decided, well, sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the goal was to confuse people. And and it
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  Speaker 4: was far less of a confusing situation. It's a good callback,
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  Speaker 4: but it was far less of a confusing situation. And
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  Speaker 4: there the actual goal buck to me seemed to be
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  Speaker 4: clearly to to be humorous.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: As most memes are. as opposed to actually diverting the
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  Speaker 4: voting process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said he had a Twitter audience of 58,000 people,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking this up right now, and said Mackey told
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  Speaker 2: people to vote via text, and supporters of presidential candidate
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  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton vote via text or social media. knowing that
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  Speaker 2: that was invalid. He said it was a joke. They
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  Speaker 2: sent him to prison.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was convicted. I remember this story.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's why, to me, intent matters. I think intent matters
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  Speaker 4: in all facets of life and a lot of times.
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  Speaker 1: Seven months in prison. The guy had 58,000 Twitter followers.
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  Speaker 1: He might have got... I don't even think one single person.
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  Speaker 2: Was fooled by this necessarily. Did they prove that a trial?
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  Speaker 2: I think they just said it could have been. And
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  Speaker 2: that's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Seven months in prison for that.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, my point on this is if they
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  Speaker 4: prosecuted that, this is far more intentional in its desire
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  Speaker 4: to get people to vote differently. By that standard, I
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  Speaker 4: think this would certainly be criminal. Look, we've got a
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  Speaker 4: appear that there is going to be a definitive result,
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  Speaker 4: the next leader of Israel. But we do know anti-Semitic
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  Speaker 1: The Clay and Buck show.
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  Speaker 3: Smart, fun, sane, just the way you'd expect it.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay and Buck. We're going to be
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  Speaker 4: joined by Mike Rogers. He is campaigning, as you might
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  Speaker 4: well imagine, all over the place in Michigan. I want
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  Speaker 4: to hit you with this right now. Inside Democrats' secret
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  Speaker 4: effort to stack Alaska's ballot. Operatives aligned with Mary Peltola,
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  Speaker 4: the Democrat nominee for Senate. spent months recruiting candidates to
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  Speaker 4: peel votes from Senator Dan Sullivan, the Republican.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this, Buck.
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  Speaker 4: This is the opening, again, of a New York Times
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  Speaker 4: article that just published in the last couple of hours.
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  Speaker 4: And let me know if Mike Rogers joins us. But
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  Speaker 4: I just want to hit you with some of these details.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to discuss it more in the remainder of
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  Speaker 4: the show. Here's the opening of the story. In the
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  Speaker 4: summer of 2025, a staffer for Mary Peltola, the Alaska
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  Speaker 4: Democrat eyeing a run for the Senate, received unusual instructions
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  Speaker 4: from top campaign aides. Find as many people named Dan
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  Speaker 4: Sullivan in Alaska as you can. The staffer complied, combing
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  Speaker 4: through voter records to produce a list of Dan Sullivan's
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  Speaker 4: from across the state. This was no random request.
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  Speaker 1: Dan S.
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  Speaker 4: Sullivan is the name of the state's Republican senator. And
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  Speaker 4: if the Peltola campaign or its allies could track down
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  Speaker 4: and persuade another Dan Sullivan to run for Senate, the
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  Speaker 4: confusion could cost the senator crucial votes on the state's
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  Speaker 4: unusual four person ballot. Mike Rogers joins us now. You
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  Speaker 4: are in the middle of an incredibly contentious race in Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: I I'm not sure if you've seen this story yet
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  Speaker 4: coming out of Alaska. The fact that Democrats are cheating
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  Speaker 4: on the level of just finding a guy by the
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  Speaker 4: same name to try and get voters to be confused
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  Speaker 4: on Alaskan ballots. I'm sure you're seeing all sorts of
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  Speaker 4: crazy tactics all over Michigan, too. They're pulling out all
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  Speaker 4: the dirty stops. And of course, this is the campaign
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  Speaker 4: that claims they care so much about voter integrity and democracy.
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  Speaker 4: What are you seeing on the ground? What can you
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  Speaker 4: tell us?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. Yes. And even worse than that. So
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  Speaker 3: we have a guy who has associated with the Muslim Brotherhood,
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  Speaker 3: which he's lied about constantly, won't answer questions to the press.
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  Speaker 3: But the other day they put a commercial out. that
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  Speaker 3: insinuates he was raised as a Presbyterian from his adopted parents. Wow. Grandparents,
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  Speaker 3: adopted grandparents. It's kind of crazy that they would make
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  Speaker 3: that leap. They're just saying anything, doing anything. We anticipate
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  Speaker 3: that they're not going to be stand-up citizens going into
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  Speaker 3: this thing, and so I think we're ready for all
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  Speaker 3: of that. And this is where all the marvels. This
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  Speaker 3: is really not left or right anymore. This is really
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  Speaker 3: about the heart and soul of the country here. And, boy,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be a game of inches. So
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  Speaker 3: we're on a 12-day, 60-stop bus tour that's going phenomenally well.
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  Speaker 3: Our excitement in the crowds are great. We have Senator
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  Speaker 3: Cruz with us on the bus stop today, who, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, wants me to ask about Tennessee football over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying not to think about that, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: We choked against South Carolina late. Tell Senator Cruz I
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  Speaker 4: appreciate him bringing that up. I was trying to forget it.
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  Speaker 3: I think he knew what he was doing. I think
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  Speaker 3: there had been a little shivving going on in that
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  Speaker 3: whole thing. But I tell you what, we are excited
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  Speaker 3: about people coming, kind of awareness. People start to put
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  Speaker 3: on their jerseys. People start to say, hey, this guy's dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's really dangerous. His ties to the Muslim
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  Speaker 3: Brotherhood are pretty extensive. And guess what? The media is
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  Speaker 3: playing along. I mean, he went on NBC and they said,
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  Speaker 3: do you have any relations to the Muslim Brotherhood? He said, no.
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  Speaker 3: He said, okay, great. I mean, unbelievable. Like bringing Al
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  Speaker 3: Capone into the office for an interview and said, do
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  Speaker 3: you have anything to do with organized crime? No? Okay, great.
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  Speaker 3: You're good to go. I've never seen anything quite like it.
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  Speaker 3: So we're just out there trying to get the message
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  Speaker 3: out about how bad he is for the state. He's
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  Speaker 3: the most radical and extremist candidate in the country because
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  Speaker 3: he not only has the whole Democrat Socialist of America agenda,
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  Speaker 3: he's got a little side sauce of Muslim Brotherhood. What
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  Speaker 3: could go wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Senator Rogers, you are going to run through the tape.
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  Speaker 1: We know that.
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  Speaker 2: And you have been fighting and fighting in a tough state, right,
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  Speaker 2: a state where you don't have some big, You don't
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  Speaker 2: have a 10-point lead handed to you or rather Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump showing that a 10-point lead or 10-point win is possible.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be tight. We know that.
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  Speaker 2: To that end, although we have faith in you, I
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  Speaker 2: will say Clay has always had faith in you, Senator.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. I got a little worried
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  Speaker 2: there for a second, but I have faith, too. I
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  Speaker 2: actually think you're going to come up with the W
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  Speaker 2: because I know you're pushing till the very end. Clay's
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: smiling because he knows I'm not going to pretend, but
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I actually think you are going to win this race.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Who has to come out? We know the base has
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to show up. We know the Trump voter has to
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: show up. Who else has to come out for you
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: that you think? Yeah, well, so Jewish Democrats has been
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: huge for us up here. I mean, again, this guy
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: is so extraordinary. think can be the difference maker for
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you in these final days?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so Jewish Democrats has been huge for us
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: up here. I mean, again, this guy is so extreme.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Think of this. The former state party chairman has come
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: out and said he cannot vote for this guy. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: we have a dozen of of elected Democrats saying they
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: can't vote for this guy. This is how extreme he is.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: So we think that that demographic of not voting, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of Democrats doing that,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and Democrats who come out, matter of fact, Alyssa Slotkin,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: finance chairman, of her last campaign, and he's a big,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: lifelong supporter of Democrat candidates up and down the ballot,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: not a Republican, came out yesterday and said, not only
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: am I not going to vote for this guy, I'm
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: going to vote for Mike Rogers. That kind of demographic
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: is huge for us, and it presents in two ways.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: One is Jewish Democrats for Rogers, huge. We think we're
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: going to get half, at least half, of Jewish Democrats
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: in the state. That's about 35,000 votes. It would be
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a swing for us. And the other big demographic for us,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, you said take the base out of
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the equation because we work really hard on getting our
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: base to turn out. And we have the largest ground
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: game in the country right now. We've just crossed 7
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: million doors. It's just never been done here. College Republicans
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: came in last weekend and just college Republicans knocked on
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: 20,000 doors last week. I mean, it's just Really, really impressive.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And it's, you know, we're just not cut canvas in neighborhoods.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It's very targeted. So it's huge and valuable. Then we're
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: going to add this Jewish Democrats to our coalition. And
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: here's the one that's been pleasantly surprising for us. African-American
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: voters in Detroit and Pontiac and Flint. And we don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: have we're not going to win those areas. We know that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But could we move that needle five and six and
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: seven percent? We think absolutely. Yes, it's going so well.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: We ended up opening an office. in Detroit and not downtown.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: We're out in the neighborhoods so people could participate and
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: pick up their signs. And the number one sign flying
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: out of those doors, Democrats for Rogers in the city
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: of Detroit. And so we're working that. We're talking to them.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: We are. I've spent a lot of time down there,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: met with dozens of black pastors across the city of Detroit.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: We've had really phenomenal reception. I mean, people aren't tossing
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: us out. They're listening to us, and we think we're
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: going to move that needle. Again, you get 35,000 Democrats
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: to switch, Jewish Democrats, and we move the needle on
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: black voters in Detroit and Flint and Pontiac, just six points. Man,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: that's bad. And we have to have a good turnout.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: If we don't have a good turnout, it's all over.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: But if we think that's happening, the energy rate is high,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: every one of these events we stop at, people are
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: fired up. They know what's at stake. They know how
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: dangerous this guy is. They know you can't send a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: guy back who can't condemn terrorism and doesn't know Iran
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: is an enemy of the United States.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I know that. You just laid out all the people
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you need to come vote. How much is a couple
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: of parts here? How much is John James helping?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: He's running.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I want everybody to know, too, as governor in Michigan
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: in an open governor seat. And also, how much of
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: this is El Sayed's arrogance? Because I've seen a lot
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: of traditional Democrat voters, black, like you said, in Detroit
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and Flint. in different communities that have large black populations,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: just saying this guy hasn't shown up. He didn't do
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: well with their vote with Haley Stevens. There seems to
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: be some tension there between Abdul El-Sayed and black voters
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: in Michigan.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you pick up on that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: What have those conversations been like and what have they
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: told you about maybe even his arrogance when it comes
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: to going after that vote?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: So think of this. He told a small group of
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: African Americans down in the city. It was more like
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: a roundtable. And we know this was someone who was there,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: told us this, that he told them, listen, I know
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you might have some problems with me, but get on board.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to win. And if you don't, I'll go
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: get boats. I'll make up your boats somewhere else. This
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: is a guy that's trying to get, heal this rift
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: that the that his community and the African-American community in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Detroit have been going through for a better part of
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: a decade. It's not selling. He's arrogant. He does not
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: connect well. He sat down with a black podcaster. She
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: ordered salmon. He ordered fried chicken.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I saw that video.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. I mean, you want to talk about having
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: your head deposited up your backside. That's exactly the way
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: to do it. He doesn't understand that. African-Americans in Detroit
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't understand what their concerns are. He's dismissive. He is
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: certainly divisive. And, you know, he has a lot of
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: pretty talk. When he gets in trouble, he, you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: he crafts himself a nice statement and all of that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I just don't think it's working. And we had our supporters.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Think of this. He had to bring in Barack Obama
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to try to save his black vote in Detroit. And
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: we've had a lot of our voters say, you know what,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I love Barack Obama, but that is not translating into
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: a vote for Abdul. That one surprised us. We thought, oh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: that's going to cause us some trouble. But it didn't
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: seem to move our needle. And remember, we're not trying
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: to win the city of Detroit. We won't win the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: city of Detroit. We don't need to win it. We
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: just need to improve ourselves six or seven points. so
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that we can take enough margin from him. He can't
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: make it up on college campuses, which is exactly what
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: they're trying to do.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Early voting is underway. We've got a big audience in Michigan.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I know you said you're on this barnstorming tour all
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: over the state. What are the early voting numbers looking
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: like so far as you can see? And why is
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it important if people can in Michigan to get out
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and vote early for you? Just explain all that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no. So and thanks for that question. This is really,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: really important for us. We've had a little over a
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: million votes already. We're expecting somewhere between four point five
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: and four point seven million votes in this election. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you can see that there's been a huge chunk already
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: have voted in just by the numbers. And we think
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: this is our ground game. just by our numbers and modeling.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: So we don't have party registration here, so we can't say,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you know, Mike Rogers voted, he's a registered Republican. We
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: can't see that. But we have modeling for these folks and,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: you know, have identified people who are low propensity Republican voters,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: high propensity Republican voters. So when you just lay it
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: down and say, okay, if these people vote, they are
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: likely to vote for you by modeling, and this is
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: pretty accurate. We're leading the return rate. Now, this doesn't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: mean we're up by seven points, but the return rate
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: is 7% higher than the Democrats. That's much better than
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: it was in 2022 by a significant margin. So we're
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: thinking that that's people who are fired up and excited
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to make sure that Abdul does not get into the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: United States Senate. And we think that's a huge important
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: statistic for us. that we're just continuing to do the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: right thing. And when you vote early, which we wish
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: you would, off our list, you would expect sort of
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: a bad or more pale kind of door. And we
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: are pretty sophisticated at this by now. Drop your ballot.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: We have other people.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, rogersforsenate.com. He's cutting up there because he's on the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: campaign trail.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I think he's breaking up a little bit, but he's
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: saying go get your ballots in and get your friends
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: and neighbors get their ballots in as well. But those
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: numbers are very, very encouraging. Buck's on the side of
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: the good guys now. Mike Rogers is going to win
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the website, rogersforsenate.com.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Rogersforsenate.com, guys. Everyone in Michigan, don't just go vote. Tell
• 27:58
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  Speaker 2: senator john husted with us he is from the great
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: state of Ohio. And Senator, you got to win, sir.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't know what else to say. You
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: got to win. Tell us how you're doing.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Going to win.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Well, we're working as hard as we possibly can. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: don't know that I could be more places in Ohio
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: than I've been from the river to the lake to
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: the Indiana border to the Pennsylvania border. We've been everywhere
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: reminding people about what we've done to fight for them,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: meaning working family tax cut plan, no tax on tips
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: over time or social security, helping families get ahead and
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: reminding them that I led the economic revitalization of Ohio.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: And today in Ohio, we have the most jobs and
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: the lowest unemployment rate in our history. And if you
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: elect Democrats, if you elect Sherry Brown, you will destroy.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: all of that momentum that we are creating, you will
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: destroy the future of our state and our nation because
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: this guy has been in office for over 50 years.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: And everywhere I go, I ask the question, what has
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Sherrod Brown done to make your life better? And nobody
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: can come up with a single thing. They recognize he's
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: had 50 years of failure that included higher taxes, shutting
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: down power plants that raises their electric bills, a radical
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: left-wing agenda that represents Washington, not Ohio.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: So Trump won the state of Ohio by about 11 points.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Bernie Marino beat this same guy, Sherrod Brown, running in 2024.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: But a part of me thinks there's probably because you
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: just laid it out. He's been in office for so long.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I bet you're running into a lot of people who
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: think he's still in office, meaning there are a lot
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: of Ohioans out there that are so used to him
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: being there and doing nothing that they still think he's there.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Is there a little bit of that when you're on
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: the campaign trail? And how might that impact things when
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: people are upset about the direction of the country? You've
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: got to be upset with a guy who was there
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: for nearly 50 years.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he's not the change agent, that's for sure.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: He tries to portray himself as one, but it's just
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: all phony baloney and everybody knows it. He had 50
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: years in office. A lot of people still think he's
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: in office. Remember this, in the last two elections, He
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: will have spent, and the Democrats will have spent, over
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: a half a billion dollars on him. So he has 100%
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: name ID. Most of it's negative. And I honestly believe
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that if people are upset with the direction of the country,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: more people blame him than me. I've been there for
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: 18 months, and I have cut taxes for people. We
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: have the most jobs and the lowest unemployment rate we've
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: ever had in our state's history. And Sherrod Brown has
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: done nothing but jack up their taxes, including jacking up
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: their tax on gasoline, shutting down refineries, power plants, all
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: of the things that we need to create to supply
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: to meet demand. They don't see him as the solution
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: to the problem. They see him as the problem.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Now, Senator, this may be in some ways more in
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the purview of– perhaps governor ramaswamy than yours but i
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: am curious to have you weigh in on you mentioned
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: power um these data centers it's become a big issue
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: it's a big issue in texas i know it's an
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: issue in ohio as well what do you think about
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: how this should be handled because right on the one
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: hand you've got progress jobs uh tax revenue all these
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: things the other hand you've got quality of life water
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and electricity prices i mean you have this push pull
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: where do you come down on that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, in every interview I do, I remind people
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: that this interview would not be possible without a data center.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: If you use your mobile phone, you're using a data center.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: You watch streaming, you're using a data center. So they're
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: part of our daily lives. But the deal is, let's
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: make sure that you only put them where people want them.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: If you're a community that doesn't want them, that should
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: be decided at the local level. The federal government shouldn't
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: tell you whether you have one or you don't have one.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: But the one thing that extends beyond the community is
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: electric prices, okay?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I had a bill.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: I have a bill pending in Congress that would require
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: data centers to pay for all of the electricity generation
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: and infrastructure, saving the local and state rate payers a
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: bunch of money because the data centers will pay for
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: the cost, not them. It passed the House. 417 to 3,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: 206 Democrats voted for it. But when it got back
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: over to the Senate, Chuck Schumer blocked it. He blocked
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: the bill that I had to require this because, frankly,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Sherrod Brown.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Wanted him to.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: They didn't want me to get a win. They didn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: want me to solve the problem. Here's the deal, folks.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Democrats want to talk about affordability and data centers, but
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: they don't want to do anything to help fix the problem.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I have legislation to do that. It could be law
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: today if Chuck Schumer hadn't blocked it. We'll get it
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: done when I return to the Congress and to the U.S.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Senate.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: And we'll hold data centers accountable. And that should fix
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: most of the problems that people are complaining about.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: You are about to head to a Donald Trump rally
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: in Ohio. What is the impact of Donald Trump rallies
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: in Ohio from your perspective? How do they move the
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: race and what is their significance in your experience?
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Well, they motivate people. They remind people there's an election.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: It helps us gather thousands of people, reach hundreds of
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: thousands of people directly and talk to them about the
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: election and what's at stake. The president will have been
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: here three times in less than 30 days. This tells
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: you a lot about how the president's going to be
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: here three times, maybe four. The vice president's been here
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: three times, maybe four in a 30 day period. We're
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: bringing in people like Tim Scott and John Kennedy and
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: my colleagues from all over the country. The Democrats aren't
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: bringing anyone into Ohio except they had Barack Obama one
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: time in Cleveland to try to turn out the vote
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: on the weekends in inner city Cleveland. But the Democrats
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: are not showing their face in Ohio. They're trying to
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: hide what their national agenda is about. We're trying to
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: promote it, which means secure the borders, cut taxes, open
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: up new resources with pipelines and refineries and power plants
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: to help lower prices for gas and oil and electricity.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: President being here really helps us get the message out
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: because he won Ohio by 11 points. If we get
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: those same voters to turn out, which it looks like
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: we are, the early voting numbers are on track for us,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: right where we need them to be to win, all
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: of it's helpful.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you that. Sorry to cut off, Buck,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: but we asked Mike Rogers about those two. We've been
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: encouraging people to get out and vote as early as
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: they can. What are those early voting numbers telling you?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: And we got a big audience all throughout the state
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: of Ohio, Cincinnati's listening, Columbus, and also Cleveland. What would
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: you tell everybody listening right now in Ohio they need
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: to do and what the data is showing you so far?
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Well, they need to get out and vote. And I
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: have fresh data here. I'm looking right at it. It
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: basically says that the turnout in 2026 is the same
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: as the turnout it was in 2022. It's slightly elevated.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: in terms of like, we've got 120, 20% of the
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: people or 120% of the early vote is, is outpacing
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: where it was two years ago. But the mix in
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: terms of Republicans and Democrats is right where it was
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: in 2022. And what happened in 2022, JD Vance won
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: by seven, Governor DeWine and I won by 25. I'm
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: not predicting that we're going to win by 25 or seven.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: There are other issues. It's a midterm election in which
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: the Republicans are in charge, which makes it harder to
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: But but the numbers look good. And if vote if
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: literally if Republicans get out to vote like they have
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: done in the past, we will win.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Just wondering what you can tell us about the national.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Democrat effort to infuse cash, outside dollars, and I'm sure
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: media attention. How have they been trying to make Ohioans
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: forget what it's like to have Democrats in charge? What
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: kind of campaigns are they running and where's the money
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: coming from?
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Well, they're hiding a lot of their candidates, frankly. They're
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: not debating. They're not doing a lot of public appearances.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: They're not doing a lot of difficult media interviews because
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: they don't want to talk. They just want to try
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: to blame everything that's going wrong in the world on
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Republicans or on President Trump and just hope that they
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: can create enough anger at the president. to bring all
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Republicans down. That is their strategy. They have nothing to offer.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Socialism is not welcome in Ohio. We didn't become a
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: state that elected Donald Trump two years ago by 11
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: points and all of a sudden say, no, we want
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: El-Sayed Madami and Sherrod Brown. That's the agenda we want
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: for Ohio. We just got to remind them about what's
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: at stake.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: But is Sherrod Brown, is he doing the Biden thing of,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I've been around forever, so of course I'm moderate, even
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: though if he becomes a senator, he's going to vote
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: with the radical left that controls his party. 99% of
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the time. Is that his, what's his move? I mean,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you're mentioning that they're trying to keep them out of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the public eye, which I get why they're doing that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: But to the degree that Sherrod Brown is actually taking
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: positions on anything, is he pulling the guys?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not that crazy.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Like my party, my party is the crazy thing, but
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I'm normal.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: Honestly, he's just running attack ads against me and lying.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: He's lying, lying, lying. Um, And that's what he's doing.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: That's why I asked this question to voters. I'm like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: can you name one thing? He's been in office for
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: over 50 years. Can you name one thing that he's
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: done to make your life better? Because he's not running
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: any ads about anything he's ever done to help people
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: in Ohio. I think it's pretty embarrassing, frankly. If you've
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: been in office for 50 years, isn't there one thing
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: that you've done that's helped the people of Ohio you'd
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: like to talk about? Not with him. He just runs
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: dishonest attack ads against me. That's his strategy.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: OK, President Trump has been praising your athletic ability, even
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: your physique. Now, I know you're a former football player
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: in college. I think you had some success at defensive
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: back back in the day. Was the president shocked by
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: your athletic prowess?
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And do you feel.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: pressure to be in good physical shape when the president's
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: talking about what a badass you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Are well it's funny because he was in dayton and
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: and john gruden showed up for the event and the
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: president said to gruden he said what are you doing
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: here he said i'm here to support my teammate he
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: says who's your teammate He said, John Husted, I played
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: football with him in college. And he said, I didn't
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: know Husted played football. And Gruden told him, he's like, yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: he won a national championship. He had 17 interceptions. He
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: was a defensive back. He used to jack people up.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: And the president was like, are you serious? He didn't
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: know that about me. Because frankly, I just don't, it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: a long time ago. I don't talk about that stuff.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: I stay focused on, you know, kind of serving the
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: public and not living in my glory days. And so
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: the president, I think, was... impressed to learn all of
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: those things. And, and then he punched me on the
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: shoulder and he realized that, Hey, this guy spent some
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: time in the weight room. And, and so after he
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: started to say a few of these things, my wife,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: I said to my wife, I'm like, well, I feel
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: the pressure now to get down in the basement and
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: spend some time in the weight room. I got to
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: rip a tape.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I think you may be the first Senator slash Senate
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: candidate in American history to have a sitting president praise
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: your gluteus Maximus, which is what happened.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what?
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: I I'll take it. There's a lot worse.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: What else are you going to do?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: 17 interceptions, 17 interceptions, a ton of interceptions. Who are
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: you playing against Jameis Winston?
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what?
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: I had, I had a walk. I didn't, you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: I had a walk off moment in our final game.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: I intercept the past in the game that, that one,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: we won the national championship in our division. We weren't
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: division one, but, But, you know, that's a walk-off moment
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: for you. The last play you ever played, I have
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: a pick to win a national championship. That was great
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: for me. You're going to.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Intercept it from Sherrod Brown on Tuesday, all right, buddy?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: You're going to run it home for the touchdown. Stay
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: in the fight, sir. Senator, appreciate you. And what's your
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: website in case anybody wants to just help however they
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: can these last days?
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: We need you. JohnHustedForSenate.com, J-O-N-H-U-S-T-E-D for Senate.com. Please send your
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: money and your love our way. We need it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Your prayers.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I have so many people that
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: tell me they're praying for me. That's a big deal, too.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, thoughts and prayers go with you.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: We're with you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I really like that guy. He's great.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: He's great. I think it'll be a fun.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: I bet Trump's going to lean in even more on
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: that because he's getting criticized and. Some people, Buck, you
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: may have noticed when criticism comes, some people back away.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Other people lean into it and actually double and triple
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: and quadruple down. I'm betting President Trump is going to
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  Speaker 4: go all in on the physique compliments for John Husted,
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  Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. We are rolling through the.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Wednesday edition of the program six days away from the midterms.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Early voting underway. We head out to California with our
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: friend Steve Hilton. Steve, I want to let you make
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: the pitch right off the top. Why do you need
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: every Californian with a brain? getting out and voting for
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: you as early as possible, and what are you seeing
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: on the ground in California?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Fire away.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: How are you doing, guys? Great to be with you.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: We're in the final stretch now.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of energy out here. I don't know
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: if you've been seeing.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: We've got absolutely huge crowds showing up to our rallies
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: across the state. We were in San Diego County Monday,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: Orange County yesterday. Tonight in L.A., tomorrow Fresno, Friday Sacramento.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Something's happening.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: People are done with the chaos and the cost and
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: the homelessness and the crime. And here's the very simple point.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: It's so true everywhere. Everyone talks about turnout. It is
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: exactly right here in California. As I said to you
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: many times before, we need about 6 million votes. That's
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: what we think we're going to need, not just to
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: do well in this election, but to win the election.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: Six million in 2024 in this state of California. President
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Trump got six point one million votes. Now, that's a
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: presidential year. Midterm turnout is lower. But the reason I
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: mention that is that the votes are there. If we
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: want to finally make some change happen in California and
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: send a message to this far left Democrat insanity that
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: we're done with it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Steve, appreciate you being with us, guys. Steve Hilton in California.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You have to get out there and vote for him.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I think Texas and California are two biggest markets for listeners,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: so a ton of you out there. Get out there
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: and vote for him. Look, I have a strange confidence here, Stephen.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because... bearded steve hilton is just unbeatable clean
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: shaven steve hilton would have had a tougher time bearded
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: steve hilton i think is too much for the communist
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: machine to handle in the state of california but of
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: all the messages you could have hit on this one
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: i think the affordability issue which is the top of
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the the top of the heap for everyone everywhere in
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: california it's a mess they gotta vote for you if
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: they don't want the mess to continue.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah and it's very simple what we can get done,
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: and I can get this done without the legislature. Here's
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: the simple point.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: As well about the state of our politics.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: The Democrats run the legislature with a two-thirds majority. They've
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: been doing that since.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: 2012, which is one of the reasons we're in this mess.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: They've had total unconstrained power to do anything that they want. Now,
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: I've been very careful. to put forward plans that I
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: can get done without the legislature, directly through what the
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: governor can do. And two of those top ones are
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: exactly what you just said. Lower tax, cheaper gas. On tax,
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: I'm going to cut the budget back by $ 25 billion,
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: starting with canceling high-speed rail, getting rid of fraud in
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: the Medi-Cal system, and a few other things that we've
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: outlined here. to cut state income tax, your first $ 150, 000 tax-free,
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: no state income tax. It's the quickest and most direct
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: way of getting more money in your pocket for the
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: government to take less out.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Secondly, on gas prices, which are now $ 2 higher.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: Here than the national average, I can bring that down
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: pretty much overnight by suspending two really important provisions In
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: this law that was passed 20 years ago, the Global
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: Warming Solutions Act that imposes a hidden tax on gas.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: So my target is $ 3 gas. That will take some
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: time to get to. But we can immediately bring the
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: cost down by at least $ 1, if not more, pretty
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: much overnight.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Lower tax, cheaper gas. That's it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Amen, everybody. Go vote today for Steve Hilton. Get out,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: make California voice for sanity. Heard, Steve, we know how
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: hard you're working. We appreciate you, and we got your back.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Everybody in California, go do the same. Vote for Steve Hilton.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Thank you, brother. Q, see you soon.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: All right, that's Steve Hilton.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: When we come back, we've got a lot more drama
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Keep hanging.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: All right, second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, everybody. Just wanted to
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: tell you, we're going to get back into the swing
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: of the election here shortly, but we're actually switching gears
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: for a moment to talk to our friend Andy Ngo.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: He is an investigative journalist, New York Times bestselling author
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: of The Zizians, Inside a Trans-Deaf cults and andy you
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: know i've been familiar with your work now for i
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: don't know about a decade or so i don't think
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: anyone in this country has done more to show what
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: the radical left shock troops and i mean that by
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: shock troops whether it's black block antifa or you know
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: these these different uh protest movements that become incredibly violent
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: including with you No one's done more than you, I think,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: to expose that, to show, which is why they, of course,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: target you. But this era we're in where people like
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk are being murdered for their opposition to trans
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: ideology is particularly urgent, it feels like right now. And
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: it feels like we need to dig deeper into what's
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: really going on. Tell us about the Zizians, the trans
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: death cult you write about in this book.
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: So I was recently in Florida, and I was on
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Dave Rubin's podcast, and we were talking about how we
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: met nine years ago. At that time, I was a
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: student at Portland State University, and there were SJW protests
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: that were trying to shut down the Dave Rubin event.
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: And it just made me think of how that movement
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: has mutated, evolved, to what we're seeing now, which is
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: killing people and maiming people. And I've been documenting that evolution.
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: Most people know my reporting over the years on Antifa.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: And six years ago, when I was still based in Portland,
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: Oregon at that time in 2020 during the BLM Antifa riots,
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: I noticed that disproportionately the suspects who were being arrested
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: for violent crimes that were being committed night after night
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: in the name of BLM and so-called anti-racism, they were
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: disproportionately transgender identifying in some way. And it was just
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: a note that I put in the back of my mind.
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: Eventually I was attacked multiple times, nearly killed. I've been
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: living in exile, living in England for a number of
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: years now because of that. And the individuals that I
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: was able to identify and allege in a lawsuit as
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: being part of those attacks, half of them are trans-identifying.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: So in addition to that, in the last five years,
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: there's been atrocity after atrocity, mass shootings committed by trans-identifying individuals.
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: All of this has come together to really provide the
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: context and the background for why I decided went fully
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: into investigating a group that has its origins in Silicon Valley,
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: a trans group, which I later learned was a cult.
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: And they are linked to at least eight known violent
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: deaths across the U.S. I don't have a background in
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: true crime, but the story of the Zizians is, it's
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: quite impossible to believe in the sense that what they
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: were able to get away with, how they were able
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: to exploit sensibilities about transphobia in California to manipulate the
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: courts to buy them time. Meanwhile, a witness to one
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: of their alleged violent acts was assassinated and they kept
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: allegedly killing people. And this group central to the ideology
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: was transgenderism. They really believed that they could form a
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: vanguard of trans-identifying people who could quote-unquote save the world.
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: But in their minds, saving the world means killing humanity.
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: They really believed that humans are evil because we eat
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: meat and consume animals as part of our resources. And
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: so very few people have heard of the Zizians. But
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: they're emblematic of this larger trend of trans violence, which
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: I contextualize in the book. And I chronicle a number
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: of attacks that have happened and violent incidents involving trans
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: people or where trans ideology was somehow involved. And this
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: is a phenomenon that is not slowing down anytime soon.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to ask you. There have
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: been some reports that sort of this identity world that
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: we have entered into where People identify at much higher
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: rates as gay or much higher rates as trans has
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: been declining and there may have been a social contagion
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: aspect to it to some degree. Do you think we
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: have hit peak trans agenda and there's going to be
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: more of a pushback and more of a parental understanding
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: that pumping kids full of. Hormones when they're 11 or
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: 12 years old is is child abuse. Or do you
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: think this process of the transing of our kids and
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: the transing of large segments of American society, particularly on
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: the left, is going to continue?
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: So as a gay man, I think that the higher
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: identification we've seen over the last 10 years is not
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: people identifying more as gay, but rather as queer, which
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: is more of a political ideology, in my opinion, than
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: a sexual orientation, in the same way that trans and
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: or non-binary or being gender diverse in some way does
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: function as a political ideology. We're seeing individuals who have never, adults,
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: let's say grown men, who throughout their entire lives had
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: never espoused or shown signs of gender confusion or gender dysphoria,
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: but then suddenly starting to wear dresses and wigs. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: I think for them, some of them, That pathway through
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: transgender ideology comes through their sexual paraphilias and fetishes through
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: the content that they're watching. There's also an aspect of
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: social contagion, particularly among youths, that may explain that high identification.
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: We are seeing some new polling that that number does
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: appear to be tapering slightly now. And I don't think
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: that's necessarily a full cause for concern because The language
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: of the trans activists is that there's an ongoing trans genocide,
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: that legislation is being enacted at the federal level or
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: at Republican state level that is meant to erase them.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: So they're going to use this data as a rallying
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: point for so-called evidence about quote-unquote, transgenocide, which is very radicalizing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: And the Zizians themselves also believe that there is ongoing transgenocide,
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: which is why they stockpiled firearms and allegedly used the
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: deadly weapons to murder people in very brutal ways. So
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: at the very tail end of this small population, there
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: are disturbed individuals. That's documented in academic literature. Higher rates
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: of mood and personality disorders, autism spectrum disorders, disorder, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: then you introduce a radicalizing ideology and cross-sex hormones and drugs,
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: that may explain why we're seeing what we're seeing.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: We're speaking to Andy Ngo, his book, which I highly recommend.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Andy's a New York Times bestseller.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: He knows more about this stuff than anybody else.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: The Zizians, Z-I-Z, The Zizians.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Inside a Trans Death Cult. I've You know, my background
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: is CIA terrorism analysis before I got into media. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: as you're talking and laying this out about this group,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: the Zizians, and there are words you're using, and I
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: know you're using them with intent, words like radicalizing. And
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: we're talking about violence, violence toward an ideology. What would
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you say if I brought you on to Capitol Hill
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: and they were having hearings, let's say, about whether there
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: should be an understanding of radical trans ideology as an
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: ideology of terrorism, similar to, say, jihad and Al Qaeda,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: similar to what we see talked about in a whole
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: bunch of other ideological contexts.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Is this the basis? Is it already a terrorist ideology?
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: Because this is such a new phenomenon and it takes
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: investigators time to catch up with things that are happening
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: in real time. I don't think that, from what I'm
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: aware of, that federal officials and investigators are.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Only just now being aware.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I know they're not treating it as one, Andy. Do
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you think it should be, is my question to you,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: do you think this should be considered a terrorist ideology?
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: I absolutely do, because if you look at the propaganda
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: literature that's put out by trans extremist groups, which are
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: adjacent to the Antifa extremist groups. It's an anti-state ideology.
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: It's revolutionary. And it's also urging and calling for one
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: another to stockpile firearms and to learn how to kill people.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: There's been an explosion in memberships and trainings of the
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: use of firearms by trans extremists since Donald Trump was
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: won in the 24 election. And they're using all this
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: as evidence of so-called genocide against them. And there's already
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: been a number of individuals just recently in the last
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: number of weeks who were part of Trantifa cells, I
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: would call it, who have been federally charged for allegedly
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: planning and conspiring anti-government deadly violence.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: Let's dive in here. You mentioned the deadly violence inspired
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: by trans ideology. How frustrating is it to you that
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: instead of having a big national conversation about trans violence
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination by someone who
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: was dating a trans individual and seems to have been
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: motivated by radical trans ideology himself, that is Tyler Robinson.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: that instead much of the online right has descended into
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: a crazy sort of circular firing squad of conspiracies instead
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: of focusing on the person, in my opinion, that actually
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: perpetrated the violence and what his motivation was. How much
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: did we miss the plot here?
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: Missed it hugely.
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: I think many influential people have been extremely unethical and
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: irresponsible in propagating hypotheses that are not supported.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: By what we know.
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: I think the alleged evidence that's been put out by
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: officials in the Tyler Robinson case out of Utah has
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: been very compelling. And from what we know from officials,
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: This is sort of the latest mutation of what I
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: consider trans violence is not where we're seeing alleged violent
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: criminals committing who are not trans identifying themselves, but nevertheless
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: reference trans ideology or a need to stop the hate
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: against trans individuals, as Robinson allegedly said to his family
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: and others. that type of people now emerging as a
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: source of violence.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Andy, great work as always. Honestly, you're a very brave
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: man and what you do is important. And I've been
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: following your work, as I said, for a long time
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: and have a tremendous amount of respect for what you've done.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: And you've really I mean, you actually are an investigative journalist.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: There are very few people who do that work and
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: you do it. And I really hope people will go.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it will be chilling, but it's an important read.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Go check out The Zizians Inside a Trans Death Cult.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: And Andy, keep up the good work and stay safe.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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