Latest / Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast / Yogurt Shop Murders

Transcript

Yogurt Shop Murders · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back.
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: We don't get to go this time because I've already
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: opened my beer.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: You already open your beer, and I'm apparently dry for
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: some reason why. I don't know. It's been a busy
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: day and I just I didn't get anything. I didn't
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: grab alcohol.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: There's always time to grab alcohol.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Though apparently not for me today. Well next time, next
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: time the show.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: I'll drink extra fast to compensate.
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, was that? Yeah, I don't even have water, Like,
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: what the heck's going on here?
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be parched.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: I know. I think it's because I have to go
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: down a ladder. I get it that I'm being lazy, fair.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: Fair, Okay. Our studio sound is awesome. I just got
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: to point that out. We've had a couple of people
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: talk to us about that and they're like, it sounds
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: fucking dope in there.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is sweet because we were worried a little
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: bit about that. Actually.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just put down a little carpet today too. Yeah,
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: that sound even.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: More our fancy boho carpet, Boho carpet.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: And bean bags. Ah, it's good. It's nice. I like
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: it in this little studio loft.
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: It is good. It's like a little it's a little
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable ish, but I just have to figure out, like
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: we got have to figure out how to sit and
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: how it's gonna work.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: We've got to work ourselves into it and get the
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: space kind of worked around us and figure out how
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: it's how we're gonna make it come us.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: We have to do that for the whole tiny home,
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: because I think with tiny I'm living like you have
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: to have a spot for everything. Yeah, like everything has
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: to have its freaking spot. And we're not quite there yet.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: So it's like a little chaotic still. But it's going
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: to get there.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: It's fucking it has.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: To get there. It's going to get there. It is
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: positive thinking here.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: Can Can you hear that in my voice though? Do
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: I sound a little raspy?
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: I do. It's from yelling at fan con all weekend?
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: What is fan con? We should share that?
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: Tell you what fan con is. It's comic book convention.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: I was I was a guest.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: You were a guest?
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and invited guests as a content because those who
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm actually a TikToker. I have over one
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand followers on TikTok Toot that Horn too,
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: and of course Wicked and Graham m but you weren't
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: able to join for Wicked and Graham, So it was
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: just me as a solo content creator.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: Because I had a massive amount of photoshoots this weekend.
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: You will get in your photos on my professional talk.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: Well it's fall. That season is just yeah, yeah, people
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: want the pretty fall. Everyone wants fall photos.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: But while I was actually at fan Con, there was
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: another podcast that was guesting there, the Dairy Public Radio,
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: and they were actually super awesome, So shout out to
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: them everyone I got to meet. I did get a selfie,
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: so I'll be posting that selfie on her Instagram.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. What was their podcast about.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: Again, Well, let me tell you what it was.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I actually can't remember. It wasn't it like
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Stephen King? Yes, okay, okay, I know you got to.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: Listen to him because I I listened to The Long
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: Walk because they talk about the Stephen King. Well it's
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: a Stephen King book Club podcast, Okay, so they'll read
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: a Stephen King book and they'll read a few chapters
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: and they'll do an episode on the few chapters they
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: read and they'll talk about it.
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: Oh that's kind of fun.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: So I asked him which one they recommended, and I
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: was recommended The Long Walk. I've never read the book before,
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm one who spoilers. Don't bother me. It gives
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: me something to look forward to my perspective. So anyways,
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: I listened to I think it was three episodes for
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: The Long Walk. I have to read this fucking book now,
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you there? Their podcast is awesome.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: So if you guys are interested in Stephen King books
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: or a book club podcast, definitely hit up The Dairy
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Public Radio.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: That's kind of fun actually, because I don't know. Sometimes
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like book clubs are kind of clicky and
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: like if you're not invited to one, then it's like, oh, well,
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: that's kind of sad. So it's like they're like inviting everyone.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're inviting everyone to read the book along with
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: them and discussions, so it's really cool. Yeah, and me
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: being damn near illiterate, it's it's nice that I can
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: go at my own pace totally. I Can I can
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: read the book when I want and then listen to
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: the episode months later when I learn how to pronounce
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: certain words.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: Can we also have a correction? Dumb dun dumb.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: Correction, Well, not big time, it's a little thing, but
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: it's on, Gabby Potito, it's a big case currently. So
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: little Brian is not thirty seven years old.
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: No, it's the same age as her right, twenty three.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was twenty three years old. Apparently they went
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: to the same high school.
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was a nasty rumor that got out there.
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we fell victim to when we were researching,
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: the rumor was at its peak, at its height, and
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: I found several websites that actually said thirty seven years old.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: So when like wildfire, really it really did.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: So correction, Gabby Patito. The whole case with that Brian
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: was not thirty seven years old, It was twenty three.
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: And now twenty three, and now her body has been
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: officially found and it's been officially confirmed and it's been
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: a homicide, yes, which is really really shitty.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: It is I haven't actually looked up, do you know
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: if they're still looking for Brian?
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: As far as I know, because the last. Okay, well,
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: hopefully this isn't a rumor. I don't think it is.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: But I saw a new thing about Dog the Bounty I.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: Just googled it and it just came out. Okay, first
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: thing that came on it.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: I want to find him.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: Fox News. Dog the Bounty Hunter joins Brian laundry Man
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: Hunt says he's received more than one thousand leads. Yeah,
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: that's that's the Fox.
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: I think I would be like actually shitting my pants
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: if that guy was looking for me. I'm not gonna lie.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I would not. I'm sure
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: he had his prime when he was good. I think
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: he's past that now.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: Does he? Is he? Because he had a TV show? Right?
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: Does he still have a TV show? I don't even
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: know much about it.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: Does still?
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so he's gonna I feel like he has
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: to be found. I'm slightly curious though. If he's alive,
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: is my one thing, you might have.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: Like made a bolt and has like gone to Mexico
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: by now.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But anyway, so that's our little little tidbits. But
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: I think at this point we should move on to
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: our case.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: Let's move on to the case. Let's do it? What
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: do you got?
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: I dropped it last week, So if you listened to
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: last week, you know what's going on here. But it's
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: we're doing a Texas case. Yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all, we're
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: doing a Texas case. We actually have a ton of
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: listeners from Texas showed out to all of them they're
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: for and this case. Okay, Like researching it, I just
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: like got a massive amount of goosebumps constantly.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, do tell why?
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: Because like the victims in the story are so young.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: Then they're just like these beautiful girls and they had
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: their whole life ahead of them, and it was just
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: it was taking the fuck away from them, taking away
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just like not okay with that. It's not cool.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, any murder or anything like that is
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: never cool.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: But it just hits home a little harder when the
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: victims are young, especially kids.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, young, and that there was four of them, so, oh,
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: already here we go.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: Story started.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: This is the story of the nineteen ninety one Austin
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: yogurt shop murders.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: I have heard you talk about this a time or two.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: And it's spoiler alert. I'm just doing a spoiler right
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: off the fringing mat here. It's an unsolved case.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love media unsolved.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just landing on my laptop, which is really freaking weird.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: Cool. We have French doors in the.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: Time, we keep leaving them open, which is a problem.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: It's awesome though, because we're just so nice living the
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: outdoors a little bit, even though we don't have a
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: deck yet.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I am spending more time outside,
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: which is sweep definitely. Okay. So the fact that this
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: shit isn't solved yet is like just beyond me because
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: it is such a brutal case and the fact that's
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: an individual or individuals like they don't even know that,
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: yeah wow got away with this is just wow. Like
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: it's just wow, just wow, just just freaking wow.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: Wow. I just heard Owen Wilson come in.
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: Wow. I can't do one Wilson voice. I could do voices,
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: but not Nolan Wilson. Oh, by the way, did I
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: tell you that I got some voice acting tips and
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: stuff while at fan Con?
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: Oh? Right, Actually you said that you were talking to someone,
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: but I don't really know if you didn't know you
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: got tips.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I got like a whole spiel and information on
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: how to put together a voice demo and all that jazz.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: So huh yeah, we'll get that shit going here.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: I will.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: And I almost just interburped there again. And okay, the
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: amount of people that also interburp, like hallelujah. Okay, this
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: is a thing.
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: Record. I never said it wasn't a thing. I just
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: think the term inner burp is really fucked up.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: It's it describes it perfectly. Okay, holy shit. Okay, we're
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: sidetracked here, my bad. Okay. So anyway, it was the
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: evening of Friday, December sixth, nineteen ninety one. Fourteenage girls,
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: seventeen year old Eliza Thomas, seventeen year old Jennifer Harbison,
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: fifteen year old Sarah Harborson, Nipper's sister, and thirteen year
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: old Amy Ayers, who was Sarah's friend, who were all
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: at the shop called I can't believe it's yogurt? Which
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: is is.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: That next door to the I can't believe it's not
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: butter shop?
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: I think so. So this is a chain store that
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: serves soft served frozen yogurt.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Fro y'all ding dang, I like it.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: We used to have a shop like a menschi It
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: was called Menchies. I'm not sure if Minchi's is just
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: a Canadian thing, but I was suprise.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like a chain because I'm pretty
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: they had like a wall of celebrities and there was
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of like American.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: But anyway, our freaking its closed and that's kind of shitty.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: We obviously didn't support it enough.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not surprised because I mean, it wasn't in
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: a very good location. And also, like an ice cream
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: shop in Canada, people go there for like warm weather and.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Foraking half a year is cold here.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Like two to three months of summer, so that.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Would be hard for them.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah three months of summer tops well technically yeah,
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this particular shop was part of the Hillside
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: Strip Center in Austin. Jennifer and Eliza were employees of
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: the store, while Sarah and Amy had ventured over from
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: the mall, which was a few blocks away. And we're
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: just in the back of the store hanging out and
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: helping Eliza and Jennifer close. Basically, they're just waiting for
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: Jennifer to give them a ride home, you know, A
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: little sibling. Right, So the yogurt shop was set to
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: close at eleven pm. The girls were doing such thing
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: as cleaning, stalking napkin holders, putting up chairs to sweep
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: and mop the floor, and helping the last of the customers.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: When I was like researching that, it almost like brought
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: me back to my Tim Horton's days and the amount
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: of shit that you have to do to like keep
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: up with these kind of stores. It's just uugh, Yeah.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: I could imagine. And also I in the back of
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: my head was like, who's getting froyo at eleven pm?
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: And then I also realized.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: That we would.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure we did at Menchies multiple times
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: do that, so I know, yeah, I can't knock that.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually thought it was kind of a late
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: time to be open, but I don't know, it obviously
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: opened for a reason that late, right.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's obviously selling merchant stuff then, so.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: And they're froo I didn't have this in here, But
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: some people were like kind of against the fact that
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: they it was that late and the girls were that
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: young and closing, But I mean like seventeen years old. Yeah,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like that it's okay.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: I think so too.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: So obviously they were responsible, right, and there was like
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: it wasn't just like it was one of them. Yeah, however, okay,
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: so back to this, they're closing down shop. However, there
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: was one table that didn't get put to other for
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: the night, and that's because it was occupied by two men.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: There are a few people in and out of the
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: yogurt shop shortly before clothes, and a few of them
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: didn't get the best of vibes about these individuals that
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: occupied this particular table. One woman wanted to ask if
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: the girls are all right before she left, but the
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: girls seemed fine, so she went against her gut, got
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: her frolio and left the shop. Oh shit, Oh, like
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: you gotta listen to those gut feelings. I think, not
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: that I think she should regret this or like blame herself,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: but I mean if I always regret not listening to
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: my gut feelings because they're there for a reason. I think,
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: do you.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Mind if I go off on a little bit of
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: a tangent here, complete different story something I read on
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: a Reddit thread today. Sure it's Kim. It was like
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: this creepy stories thing, right, and so it's like you know,
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: what's a real story that you'll never forget, something that
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: actually happened to you, like creepy as fuck. So this
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: person was like at a train station waiting for their
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: like super late train, and they had like a couple
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: hours to kill. So they're walking around these platforms and stuff,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: and they saw this little girl standing there like alone,
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: like in an empty platform and no one's around. Okay,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: it's like almost super creepy and like dark and shit.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: So they're like, okay, well, they went with their gut.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: They wanted to make sure this little girl was okay,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: but they didn't want to like bother her. So he
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: sat down on a nearby bench and like just kind
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: of watched her. Twenty five minutes goes by in total,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, someone's got to come soon. Maybe
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: the mom just went to the bathroom, all this sort
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: of shit. Little girl never moved a muscle the whole time.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I'm expediting this story, by the way, so there's not
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: much dispense in it. But eventually the person's like, I'm
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: going to go up and like I got to ask
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: this little girl up. They're okay, because they're just like
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: standing there, just staring at me, not moving a muscle
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: for dwann near half an hour. So they go over
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: to the little girl and it's a statue of like
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: like a lego little girl bill just sitting there on
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: the platform.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I feel like after that long time
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: that you would like realize.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: But they took there was cell phone video or photos
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: of it, and like from a distance where they were sitting,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: it looked legit like a little girl standing there. And
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: then as you get up close and then yeah, they
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: took a photo. It's just like a bunch of these
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: like giant lego blocks put into a little girl.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I know, like in this scenario, I
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: was feeling like if she had this gut feeling she
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: could even she was there so close to close, I
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: guess she could have just like waited in the parking lot.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: But then still, like at some point you do have
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: to just live your life. I guess then it at home.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know something like that is about to happen
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: And also like if these little if these young women
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: are seventeen years old and everything like that, would this
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: have changed if they were twenty four, if they were
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit older. Would this incident.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, like you know, yeah, because people were saying maybe
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: they're too young to not Probably not really so if anything,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: if they were that old, they wouldn't have probably had
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: their little sibling and friend in the back.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I guess, right, so maybe probably. Oh yeah, I mean
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: less victims then.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I guess technically probably.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Oh that's like, yeah, that was supposed to be helpful,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't. So thank you.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was just trying to like, oh my god,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: what I was trying to do.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently I was not helping some of Yeah, that
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: was not help I've been.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Talking lots anyways, so I'm zipping it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Okay. So it wasn't until eleven forty seven pm that
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: police officer Troy Gay, who was patrolling the area, reports
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: a fire at the cat that I can't believe it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: yogurt shop. The fire department showed up. They did their job.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: They put the fire out without even a thought that
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: this could be any more than just a fire, don't don't.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know where this is going.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: As they were doing their post fire walkthrough, you know,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: making sure the fire was completely out, they got a
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: glimpse a glimpse of what appeared to be a human
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: charred foot, which was their initial discovery of what would
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: be three charred black bodies to the point of beyond recognition.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, so three, you said, right?
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Three? So at this point Detective John Jones was called
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to the scene and as he was en route, he
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: got an update that a fourth body was found.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: There's the fourth but also Detective John Jones. How badass
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: of a detective name is that? Undetective John Jones.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cool get these. It seemed like he did
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a good job all times. Yeah, yeah, he did a
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: good good job. There's we'll get to that. But anyway,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it's claimed that this was the day Austin lost its innocence.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Oh shit.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety one, Austin was not the size of
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the town it is today. In the nineteen nineties, the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: population was about four hundred and fifty thousand, where today
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it's more than doubled in size. And back then they
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: did not have like a lot of violent crimes. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I was also like, thinking back to like the nineties,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like shit's just gotten worse since then, Like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and then back then worst was stuff as violent? Well,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: were there as many violent crimes.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: There's oh, definitely. I think it was what I think
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the seventies and the eighties was like the height of
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: like serial killers. Like I can't remember what they call it,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: but it's like literally the serial killer era. There's a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: name they've named it. But so definitely. Just nowadays, there's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: so much social media and worldwide like reach that people's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: stories are just all over the place. You wake up
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you see murder stories constantly because you're seeing it from
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: around the world. In the nineties, it's just usually you
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: hear about one or two on the radio from globally
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and then in the paper for locally.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean too, I guess said that age. I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: was just living my life, making my mud pies. Just
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: sh it just seemed simpler than it does now. And
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like the world's going to hell sometimes.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: But it was chasing frogs.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at us go. It's good combo.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: So, as Detective Jones entered the flooded scene, his initial
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: response was, holy shit, holy shit. The bodies of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: four girls were burnt so badly their melted bodies had
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: become part of the floor. They were naked, bound and
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: gagged with their own clothes, their legs spread, one girl
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: having an ice cream scoop left inside of her shit.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Each girl had been shot in the head.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: That's fucking disgusting.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So that paints a little bit of a poor visual.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I'm quite sorry.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you that melted the butter next door that
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it's not butter.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that ship must have been definitely melted. Is that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the still thing? I can't believe it's not butter.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like the margins.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but do they still make that even margin?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Well that kind of margin?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Oh? Probably? What kind was it? Was it? I don't know.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like not into margarine where we've totally switched to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: butter in this all the way. You resisted, so don't
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: even that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, I did resist for.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: The longest time, and it was just like unbelievable that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you kept resisting.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, to be fair, to be fair, I've always
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: been pro butter for cooking. Yeah, but on toast.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Because margin is more convenient.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, because the spreadability my gosh.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, now that you know like our butter margin
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: in preference, here, I'll describe the shop and seen a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: bit more. As you enter the shop, there's a row
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: of booths on your left and you're right with some
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: tables in the middle. The table that didn't get put
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: together for the night, So where the two men were
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: sitting was on the row of booths on the left,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: closest to the counter. Then you had the front counter
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and just under half the store, Like it seemed like
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the back end of the store was huge. I don't,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. That just seemed weird to me.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: But just under half the store was the back room,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: which consisted they had like a walk and cooler, storage, washrooms,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: office bathroom. Oh office, I don't I have office bathrooms.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: It's not an office bath office rooms. Yeah. So I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: have bathrooms in there twice and a prep like area.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And the one thing that is kind of odd is
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: like those bathrooms, even though they were behind the counter,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I think that they were forget for people coming to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the restaurant, which I thought was really odd. Because we'll
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kind of talk a little bit more about it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was like a location that they came into
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and it was just like they just made what it
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: was the lay it was work for them.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be because I think like lots of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: times when you're serving food, like you almost legally have
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to have a bathroom or something. So all of the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: bodies were found in the back room area. Two of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the bodies, Sarah and Eliza, were found stacked on top
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of each other, with Jennifer's body right next to them,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and Amy was a little further away, closer to the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: entrance from the back room to like the main open area.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: It's unsure if this is the way the killers had
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: left the bodies, or if the forest from the water
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: when they were putting out the fire left them like this.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Some reports say all the bodies were stacked and the
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: water had unstacked them like the pressure from the hoses,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and some say the water have potentially slacked or stacked
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the bodies of Sarah and Eliza, or it's not. The
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: initial gunshot Amy received didn't kill her, and she started
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: crawling away trying to escape disturbing the pile, but was
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: found and shot again. She because she was actually the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: only girl with a second gunshot wound to the head.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Oh really, Oh shit, that's very likely then.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So it could definitely have been a possibility.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really sad to kind of think about that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Being that situation, Like, imagine trying to crawl away from
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that scene with a wound like that tear head. Oh
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: my god, that poor girl, I know.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And that was here. Let me just I'm pretty sure
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Amy was the youngest one. Oh no, So where am
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I here? What are you doing to I'm so sorry? Okay,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: it's a very okay, I told you this case, like
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I literally conte it goosebumps because I just like felt
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: so wrig and bad. Okay. So Amy's body also wasn't
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: burnt to the extent the other girls were, so would
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: be slightly helpful to the investigation. It was her body
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that gave Detective Jones and indication that sexual assault had occurred.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: The other three girls bodies the.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Ice creams gup didn't give that away.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Well, she was the one with the ice creamy, Okay, okay,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So the other three girl's bodies were so burnt they
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: were beyond recognition. It's unknown if the three girls were
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: covered in like accelerant at the start of the fire.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, holy heck, where am I here? Okay? It's
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: unknown if the three girls were covered with accelerant and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: were like the start of the fire or if the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: storage shelf beside them was like the origin of the fire.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Well, either way, that's kind of I mean, do they
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: just like splash gas all over sort of thing? Maybe?
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Is that a cat getting Is Kiwi doing some shit?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: No, I can hear weird things going on down there.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's being a dick. Kiwi,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: stop being a dick.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: We can hear everything that's going on in earls now,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: which is so funny. Okay, well they're okay. I'm about
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to kind of go into something here because there was
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: a few investigation errors in this case errors and the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: girls not being tested for that act yeah was one
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: of them because when it came to questioning the accuse,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: it prevented the investigators from having all the facts basically right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't like, it doesn't seem like
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a huge air. But then when they are trying to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: get confessions or whatever, like they technically didn't know all
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the facts really right, That makes sense. So it does
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: make sense.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, why does it matter where the fire
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was started the shelf for them? But when it comes
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: down to actual questioning.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, questions, the small more, you know, the better, right,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: So a few other noteworthy errors made was the bathroom
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: didn't get dusted for prints, and earlier that evening there
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: had been unquestionable individual who went in the back to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: use the bathroom. They also didn't check the lock on
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the back door to see if it was tampered with,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and the back door had actually been left propped open,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: So whoever did this could have propped the door open
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: at some point maybe and they were thinking it could
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: have potentially even been that questionable man using the bathroom
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't actually using the bathroom, but he was
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: going in the back to prop the door open, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: once the shop had closed, like people entered that way, right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: There are also a few items that were missed being
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: collected or saved, and it's hard to say if these
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: things would have helped solve a case, but you never know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Right the fuck.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: John Jones, get on your shit with John Jones, right, Yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: detective high expectations for him with that name.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But okay, I also, I mean okay, I also think
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it's human nature to later like question how you potentially
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: handle the situation and is definitely twenty twenty if there
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was things that you could have done differently or better
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: but I mean, I guess when it's like in a
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: murder investigation, it's kind of a harder pill to swallow, right, Yeah, fair,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: there isn't a lot that can be done to help
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the parent's cope, especially like okay, not that one parent
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: has worse, but the one that like lost both. I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, there was like one thing I was
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: reading or watching and she had gotten a knock like
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: on the door at three in the morning, basically like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: informing her that her daughters were dead. Yeah, Like, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: just that is right there to me, is like just
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: a reason to never have children.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: There, Well, I mean, she was probably sitting there, like
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: where are my daughters? Like she's probably she's not sleeping,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: She's waiting for her daughters to get home guaranteed.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because it depends if they were
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: sleeping over at the I don't know they like or
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: they came they were going to be home late. Like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: she could have already been sleeping, right, Like she might
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: not necessarily have been like where are they waiting? But
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I just I just feel like that's just such a
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: fear that anyone could have, like getting a phone call
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: or getting a knock on the door in the middle
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: of the night, to getting news like that is just
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: the most heart wrenching shit I can think I can
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: think of, Yeah, brutal anyway, Sorry, we're just we're just
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: really pulling at the heart strings.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Today, no kidding.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, So anyway, I mean.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I don't have tissues the dishes because you're going to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: be a river today.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So what I was say something saying is like, there's
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: not a lot to help the parents, but I feel
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: like maybe knowing that the people responsible for the crime
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: or locked up might be the tiniest of helpful, a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: little bit of yeah, knowing that they're not out there
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: potentially like doing that to someone else. So a lot
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of evidence was also destroyed in the fire. The fire
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: needed to be put out, but in doing so, forensic
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: evidence also could have been washed away and destroyed.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yep, especially with a high pressure.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And they didn't even know what there was a I know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: they had no idea.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Just like I'm sure we're walking everywhere and like tearing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: shit down. Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So but then this brings me to say, like, I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: not entirely certain if there would have been a different
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: way to put out a fire than having known that
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: there was a crime scene inside, right, But it was
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: mentioned had they known prior to the extent of the crime,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: they probably would have done things differently. Oh that Like anyway,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: there may have been different ways of gathering evidence, and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a lack of evidence in this case could be why
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: it's not potentially solved, right.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's exactly why they lit the fire too,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: clearly to try and get rid of evidence, and clearly
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: it fucking worked.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like that. Yeah, that's probably why you would
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: light a fire. I've heard of that in other cases.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It gets I would imagine it gets rid of well,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: it gets rid of a lot of things, which yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: kind of yeah, there you go. People even do that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to the houses and shit. Insurance Like the fire is
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: an interesting thing.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Although it's like investigators can get real specific unburned patterns
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and shit, and they can pretty much usually pinpoint.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Which is why yeah, I know, like even okay, even
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: forest fires. Yeah, and they can like pinpoint where it
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: started and if it was like started by a cigarette
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: or something. That is just like my mind, fuck, how
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: do you learn that shit? Like that's some smart ship?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Where is this school that you learned that this is
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the cigarette burn that burned this forest down like what I.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Know, I know, I wouldn't even know where to begin
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: at the cigarette apparently apparently, or just find the person
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: that knows. Yeah, okay, So a few more details I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to mention. About five hundred dollars was taken from
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the cash register at eleven oh three. There's record that
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Eliza hit the button on the cash register for no
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: charge sale, indicating that there was a robbery aspect to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: this crime as well. Yeah, it's not known if this
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: was the main motive, but being that it was just
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars and it appeared the girls freely handed
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: over the money, it wouldn't seem so like I feel
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: like if you were doing something to get money, like,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: would you pick the frickin' fro Yo shop?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think so, right.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Unless you're like super desperate sort of thing. Yeah, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: if you're super desperate, you probably don't have the means
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: of having a firearm.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most likely, I think it's probably like a sexual
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: assault thing more so, Right, it just doesn't seem like
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: it would be a robbery.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they most likely probably went in with sexual assault
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: in mind, and just like let's get cash while we're
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Because something I didn't even mention, or that I don't
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: have written down in here, but some reports kind of
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: said it could have been people following the young girls
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: from the mall to this yogurt chop or something, right,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. So as I had mentioned,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: all the girls were shot in the head with a
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: twenty two caliber gune, I meant to look that up.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Here's the twenty two calibar again. It's a twenty two
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: caliber is really popular for like shooting people in the head.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Definitely shows it could have been premeditated, okay, because twenty
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: two's don't exit the skull, right, Well, it goes in
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't exit. It goes in the skull, It
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: bounces around a couple times, like scrambles your fucking brain
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and sure's you're dead usually and it's not messy, it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: not blown out. And yeah, how cool and quiet is Finn?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: How big is this gun?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Small?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Is it small?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Okay's super small?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I need to like research my guns here, but I
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: also feel like my Google history is fucked up enough,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and maybe I just won't.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we might be getting on a knocking our door
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: one these days.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, oh, if anyone would look there,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, holy shit. Yeah, okay, but Amy was
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: shot twice, as I had mentioned, and the second shot
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to her head was actually done with a different weapon,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: a larger caliber weapon nine millimeter. Oh gosh, I can't remember.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You did never reri down.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: No. A three eighty. Is that larger? Maybe like a
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: hunting rifle. I don't know. It said it was like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: a much bigger okay, weapon, which isn't super important which
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: kind of weapon, But what is kind of important and
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: interesting is that it indicates that there was probably more
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: than one person, right, because would you be like packing
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: both guns like I seem like it would indicate that
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: there was more than one person.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Most likely, even if you are packing multiple guns, you're
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: probably gonna use the same one that's in your fucking
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: hand rather than swapping them out.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Amy also had a bruise under her chin,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: indicating that she had been struck, and also had showed
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: signs of being strangled. These poor girls, so like they
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: they really just went through hell. So once the autopsy reports.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just came up with a really and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: it's I know it's super dark, but I came up
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: with a funny tagline.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, because shop, he'll just froze over.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it just popped
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in there and I had to share it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry, here, you're just making everything way worse. Sorry, sorry, sorry,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, it was good.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: You have to have me that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'll give you that. I'll give you that.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It was super fucking dark. It was good.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: My gosh, Sorry, I digress. Continue Oh are we ready
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to continue? Like? I need a moment here. Okay. So,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: once the autopsy reports were finalized on the girls, the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: police decided to see I was gonna say steal, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. Seal the reports, so like
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: keep them to themselves, right, This was this way, once
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: they received confession, they would be able to know if
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: it was was a match to what actually had happened.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And I didn't really think this was this would be
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: something that investigators had to worry about. But apparently, like
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: false confess confessions are a thing, and this case had
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: many of them, which is so wild to me.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I new false confessions were a thing, but like many really.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is this is wild? At one point the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: pool of suspects was three hundred and forty two people,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: holy shit, and they had dozens of false confessions. WHOA,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Like what the fuck? Really? I was just like what? Why?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Like why? So that's like just not normal. I mean,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I think there's probably generally a pool of suspects, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: it's not like three hundred and forty two. Yeah, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: there aren't usually dozens of false confessions.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: What if one of those confessions is legit?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I know, like it's almost like what they even know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Like it just it just takes some taking up all
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the resources of the investigators to have to deal with
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: all this shit. Yeah, okay, well guess what. We just
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: took a tiny break. So the dogs were being jerks.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: One was pacing around and the other one was starting
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to get.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I guess what. I got a Drink's best break ever?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Right? My drinks almost empty. I should have got one from.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you screwed up. And I'm like constantly just literally
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: changing up lately. I'm drinking a twisted tea. Now, I've
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: been drinking smear and offs, and I'm drinking local shit.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It's just I'm all over the fricking place. Let's do
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Margarita's one day.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: We have, but we need to again, Oh yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: We have? That was the best? Okay, Okay, who we're
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: diving in here? So this is a bit of a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: side note. Okay, where the heck were we here? Okay,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: so this is a side note. I'm not going to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: go into many details of all the confessions that occurred,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: but one of them I am going to because it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: just interesting. So it was Kenneth Alan McDuff, and some
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: people may reckon that name because he was a serial killer,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: so suspected of at least fourteen murders and it could
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: be a case we even do one day. So in
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six, he murdered three teens and it was
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: dubbed the broomstick murders because, oh, have you heard of that?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I heard?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I hadn't heard of that, because one of
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the victims, necks, was broken with a broomstick after she
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: was apparently repeatedly, repeatedly raped, which sounds absolutely brutal. Anyway,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine, and this I just can't even
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: believe I'm able to read this. Due to prison overcrowding,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Kenneth was paroled, but it is believed after he was released,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: he committed many more murders. Fuck, like because the prison
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: was overcrowded. Is that like a joke?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, way to fail Like.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: That is just not okay. He was taken back into
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: custody and sent to death row, but the day of
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: his execution, he confessed to the yogurt shop murders. Being
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: such a last minute confession, it was believed this was
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a last straw of stopping his execution. Okay, but it
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: did not. And either way, they looked into it and
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: determined that he didn't commit the crime. Okay, Okay, So
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and I think that that just is probably a smart
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: thing for criminals to do.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to tell the inevitable sort of thing.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Oh actually I did this. Well, shit, now we got
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to look into it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Because they feel like they may need him, yeah, for
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: something or whatever. Right, Okay, So that was the little
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the little side note back to the main story. Eight
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: days after the murders, investigators got a tip to look
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: into a teenager named Maurice Pearce. This particular sixteen year
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: old was apparently seen with a twenty two caliber gun
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: at the same mall. Sarah and Amy were at before
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: heading to the yogurt shop the night of the murders.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: During questioning, Maurice said he'd lent the gun to his
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: friend Forrest Wellborn, and that he and that he Forrest
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: used the gun to commit the yogurt shop murders. Like
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: way to throw your I mean I shouldn't. I was like,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: way to throw your friend under the bus.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But so he's saying he knew his friend did it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what he was saying.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Forrest was then obviously brought in for questioning, but told
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: investigators that he and Maurice and their friends Robert Springsteen
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and Michael Scott had stolen an SUV the knight of
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the murders and taken it on a joy ride to
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: San And where was it? I think I spelled that wrong.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I'm still hung up on Michael Spoft.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I know I knew you would San Antinio, I think,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: but I think I spelt that really weird. Hopefully that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: was the right place. I don't know how close that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Is to San Antonio.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, okay, sorry, I butchered it and I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: guess I didn't anyway, It's underlined and I never fixed it,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the shit does that say?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Is it San Antonio?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Is that close to Houston?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I have no idea my geography is.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, someone will tell us it probably is,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: hopefully anyway, if that's a joy they went on a joy, right,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: so I'm assuming that it's semi close anyway. This then
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: put Robert and Michael Scott. I don't think all just
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: have to always see Michael Scott on the police radar
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: as well. After length lengthy questioning, Detective Jones and his
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: team dismiss Maurice as a suspect, concluding that he was lying.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Detective Joanes said it became very clear that neither Maurice
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: nor Forrest had any connection to the crime, saying Forrest
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: had no clue. He couldn't organize a two car parade.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So why would he throw his friend under the bustle
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Like what a dick?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I know, I just thought that was kind of odd,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: but I don't know. He was young. He was probably
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: like kind of intimidated and just like didn't want him.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: But like, if that's your friend, like.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that makes me seriously suspicious of him,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like trying to throw the heat elsewhere, you know.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his gun was also tested though, and was not
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a match to the murder weapon.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So, like, would they test the rifling or what I'm assuming?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't know, I don't know what you
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: test some guns. You're putting me on the rifling.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: It's basically the fingerprint of the gun.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they tested that and it didn't match.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: That was not the end of their story, though. I
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: feel like you think, you think that, you're already thinking
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: it's not but this is probably not gonna end the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: way you thought.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: You think It's not gonna end the way I thought
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay. So, although the case was never entirely abandoned,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Detective Jones got promoted, and it wasn't until nineteen ninety nine,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: eight years after the crime, that a new team of
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: investigators would target these four boys now men once again
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: and bring them back in for questioning.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: So at this point two of them would confess to
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the killings. Really, Michael Scott confessed to the killings, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Robert Springsteen also confessed to killing the girls and raping
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: one of them. The police at this point were convened
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: that they had their killers. In October sixth, nineteen ninety nine,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: all four men were arrested, the theory being that the
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: four boys had planned to rob the yolkret shop, with Michael,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Robert and Maurice entering the shop while Forrest waited outside
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to on like lookout. Yeah, okay, but that something went
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: terribly wrong during the robbery and that all girls were killed.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: That just like doesn't make any sense. It doesn't add up,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: So then you're telling me all four boys committed very
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: horrific indecent acts on these girls' corpses.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I know, because this if you're going in there for
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: robbery and shit didn't go right, and then you act,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: yeah accidentally I don't know, killed people, would you also
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: accidentally rape them?
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Right? And Cleary, shit did go right because they willingly
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: opened the till to give the money, so they.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Got what they went in there for. Like, I don't
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: think the girls would have opposed to just giving them
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: the till money.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Eight four girls and four boys, and especially the boys
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: having guns a learned and lock store, they're not gonna
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: they're gonna.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Give them the money. Yeah, yeah, like guaranteed.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: They may fight is when it comes to the sexual assault. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and they may not have because they may have had
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a gun to their fucking head.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: So I should note though, that both Forrest and Maurice
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: stayed true, saying that they were not involved. The authorities
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: tried twice to accuse Forrest for the murders, but they
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: lacked the evidence. There was actually no physical evidence linking
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: any of the men to the scene, so all the
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: charges against Forrest were dropped and charges against Maurice were
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: also dropped due to a lack of evidence. So it
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: was just Robert and Michael who went to trial.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: So is Maurice changing his story then, because he originally
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: said Forrest did it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they at that point like it was just kids,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: like almost like making up shit, right. I just feel
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: like then for them this long later to be like
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: going through this again is just like wild.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm convinced that well, I don't know.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I'm almost convinced that the two they have weren't involved
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and the two that they don't have were.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of where the ones, Okay, the ones
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: that are just like keeping quiet, Yeah, the two that.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Are denying it. Forrest and Maurice, I'm convinced they are involved,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and the two they you have aren't involved. I almost
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: feel like there's some sort of like blackmail shit going
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: on where they're taking the fall.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, We're gonna dive in here a little deeper.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna buckle up.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: So Robert and Michael went to trial, and Robert and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Michael were both found guilty of murder. Robert received the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: death penalty and Michael was sentenced to ninety nine years
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in prison. And I say Robert was sentenced to the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: death penalty. He hasn't like received the death penalty. But
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: before we go off and celebrate these victories, this emotional
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: rollercoaster shit is not over. So not long after the
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: trials some concerns were brought for it, concerns that suggested
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: maybe Robert and Michael were innocent and actually didn't have
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: anything to do with the murder I had mentioned earlier.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: No physical evidence was attached linking either of these men
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: to the scene, and apparently they had confessed to the
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: murders under rugged interrogation by this new detective, Hector Polinko.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I think is his name Hector Polinko.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And this rugged interrogation is like kind of an understatement,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to give you some examples.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Shit, they like beat these kids.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I guess they were, they were at us. So Michael
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Scott was questioned for twelve.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Hours, holy shit, twelve hours.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: On September ninth, nineteen ninety nine. He was questioned again
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the next day, and questioned again on September thirteen, this
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: resulting in over twenty hours of videotaped interrogation. Like this
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: is a long time to be questioned about something.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard like Terrrigos going like eight hours and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: stuff like that's that's a long time. But they're doing
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that on purpose to break you. Yeah, but like twelve
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: hours and then back to back like the next day
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and shit like hold fuck.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: But like in my opinion, like because yeah, some would
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: say like you'd break, but like are you breaking because
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: you're like just so fucking exhausted of this shit?
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Pretty much that's what the trait do.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's I just don't think it's I don't know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not in that position, but anyway,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: that's what happened. A photo also surfaced from Michael's interrogation room,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: with one of the investigation investigators bringing in a gun
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to the room and pointing it at Michael to help
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: trigger his memory. What the fuck, Like, that's that's just
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: not okay, no shit, Like I'm sorry, Like I don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: care what kind of tactic you're doing, Like like I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: feel like I would actually be scared shitless and I'd
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: probably just tell them whatever the fuck they want to
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: here at that point, right.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine it was actually like Michael Scott in the office, and.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: You can't even just stop thinking about the office, My
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: good lord. Michael had even asked for a lawyer at
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: one point, to which his request was not granted. The
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: detectives left the room, but then they came back in
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the room continued questioning him. He continued to answer, and
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: they later just said that they thought he was just
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: thinking about getting about getting a lawyer and not actually
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: asking for one at that particular moment, like, I'm sorry,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: can I.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Get a lawyer? I thought he was just thinking.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I thought you were just like thinking about that ship
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: like that's no. And interestingly enough, detective this Detective Palinko
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: was later removed from the case. After he allegedly cohersed
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: a confession in a different case. Yeah, so, like honest,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: just like that isn't helpful really, that kind of shit.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: It's like it's just not helpful. It's not getting anything.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: All he's trying to do is get himself more recognition
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: for quote unquote, so solving.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: These cases, which I just think is just like it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: just a waste of money and time. Now, there was
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: another issue, and in two thousand and six, basically fifteen
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: years after the murders, Robert's conviction was overturned and the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: following year so was Michael's. Basically, it was found that
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the courts violated both Robert and Michael's sixth Amendment right
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: to confront their accuser. Robert and Michael's confessions were used
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: against one another at their separate trials, but their lawyers
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: were never given the opportunity to cross examine the accuser.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: So as a result, it was determined their constitutional rights
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: had been violated. They would remain in jail while it
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: was decided if the prosecution was going to retry the case.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: So just like this whole this is just like a
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: shit show, hey kidding. So however, later in two thousand
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: and eight, the defense requests to have the DNA be
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: retested with the new technology that's now available. Right, that's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: like almost twenty years later, and it was found that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the DNA did not match either Michael or Robert, or
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: rather any of the men suspected of this crime. Suspected
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: of this crime, And like, I feel like that's a
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: big testament of their potential innocence that they they pushed
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: for this, like, let's get this DNA like retested, right,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: you know. But rather than go with this proof and
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: release Michael and Robert, the investigators and the DA come
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: up with a new theory that there was actually just
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: a fifth man involved and that Michael and Robert were
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: still tied to this case.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean it is possible.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: It's freaking possible, I guess.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Or what if she had a boyfriend and just had
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: a little visit with a boyfriend before going to.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Work, they probably would have known that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Well maybe possible, I don't know, but I mean it
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: is also possible. Yes, I'm just trying to play Devil's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: advocate and just say, like, just as it is possible,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: there's a fiftyude, this is also fucking possible. You know, yeah,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: grasping for fucking straws, might as well grasp but them
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: all it.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: However, was soon realized that the prosecution no longer had
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: a case for now against them. Wait for now, it's
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: something that could be revisited.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, like we have more coming out.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's totally something that could be always revisited.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. In October twenty eight, two thousand and nine,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: all charges were dismissed. So basically, there you have it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, this is like a tough one
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: for me, Like, do you believe that these individuals committed
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the crime? So the fact that the investigators were led
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: to them initially and then again led to them ten
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: years later seems kind of fishy to me. But other
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: than Maurice having a similar weapon in his backpack at
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: the time of the murders and very questionable confessions later,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: there really wasn't a lot to go on. And I
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: also wanted to mention the original detective Jones, who was
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: no longer a part of this second operation thing of
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the men getting arrested. He does not believe that they
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: committed the crime, No, not at all.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I do find it really fucking fishy that the one
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: boy just so happened to have a twenty two at
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the mall where the girls so happened to be before work,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and then when questioned, he suddenly passes, oh, I gave
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: it to someone else and they did it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: It does seem really weird. Do you think he would
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: just be like, no.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, now I do have a gun, like I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: stole my dad or something. But him saying no, they
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: did it makes me say he's worried about rifling or
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: some sort of tie back to the gun. M M.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: That's that's the big trigger for me. He was there
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: where the girls were prior to work, so he knew
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: where they were going and what time all that shit,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: and he was worried about the gun. That is major
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Well, he was there at where the younger ones were, right, yeah, yeah,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: so I don't know, in a way, it's almost they
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: because they I don't think they were the ones that
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: were sitting at that booth though. So it's like those
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: men that were sitting at the booth, Yeah, you're right,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: and that one man who you to the bathroom and
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: seemed shady. They just like need to be found. But
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: it's so it's so far down the line now, and
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: there was like things that had been missed, and it's like,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: at this point is this going to get solved?
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I'm it could just be coincidence. It could have just
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: been just two dudes just sitting.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: In it could it could have been.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: However, there's also a highlightlihood that if it was just
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: too dudes who had nothing to do with it, they
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: very well could have come forward and like oh that
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: was me, Like you know.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I true, Yeah, they they probably would have, really if
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: they had nothing to hide.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know if it was me and I
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: had nothing to hide, I'd be like, yo, like can
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I help?
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Like that was me there that night, and then just
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: question your whole life of why you look like a
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: shady person.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just eating fro yo.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. They weren't. They just were having pop.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Oh I was just having But I mean, like, maybe
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: there's thirsty and that was like a place, the main
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: place in that area that was open or.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Something they could Hey, they could have been on a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: road trip and just like let's stop somewhere just like
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: get something to some sugar in our system. Yeah you
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: want not really? Maybe maybe you got.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Something they could maybe not even realize that that was
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: like the same thing place they were or something really
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: potentially right.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, I hope it does because it's it
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: would be really nice for the families.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And fuck those guys who did it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Because that's I could just brutal what they did in
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: the shop now is a nail salon, is it?
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: So and there's like a plaque outside in the parking
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: lot remembering because these girls and stuff, so like they're
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: definitely not forgotten. But oh, it's just brutal. And on
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: a side note, I just wanted to say we're behind
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: on our messages on Instagram.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Very much, so behind the life.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: We are just behind on life and we do, like
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: we have said, we try to answer people for the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: most part, right, but we are behind. So just have patience.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will get to your message, we promise, just
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: it might not be right away, yeah, but it will happen.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: It will happen. So anyway, until then
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Until we catch up and message you back, stay wicked.