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The Bolt Report | 7 January · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Is the report.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for joining me. I'm James
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  Speaker 2: macpherson filling in for Andrew Bolt. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: There's a housing crisis, but apparently not for our federal politicians.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them are using taxpayer funded travel allowances.
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  Speaker 3: To pay off their homes.
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  Speaker 2: In Canberra, an Australian children's author under investigation after suggesting
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  Speaker 2: that victims of the Bondai terror attack deserved it. While
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  Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberals implode again, the new South Wales Liberals
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  Speaker 2: unveil and new shadow ministry.
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  Speaker 3: Could it be a winning team.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into that, plus a deep dive into all
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  Speaker 2: things USA, including Donald Trump's obsession with taking over Greenland?
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  Speaker 3: Just how serious is he? All of that and more.
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  Speaker 2: Shortly but first, calls for a Royal mission into the
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  Speaker 2: Bondai terror attack have now reached crescendo levels. The calls
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  Speaker 2: are coming so loud and from so many sectors of
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  Speaker 2: Australian society it beggars belief that the PM would continue
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  Speaker 2: to ignore them. You've got Jewish groups, church leaders, sports stars,
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  Speaker 2: there's business leaders, defense and intelligence experts, current and former
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  Speaker 2: labor MPs.
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  Speaker 3: Not to mention former Governors General.
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  Speaker 2: The list goes on and on, all of these people
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  Speaker 2: calling on the PM to announce a public inquiry into
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  Speaker 2: how we reached a point in this country where Jews
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  Speaker 2: could be hunted like game on Bondi Beach and shot
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  Speaker 2: dead in cold blood. Now that seems to me like
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  Speaker 2: the sort of thing a serious country might want to investigate.
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  Speaker 2: But if you believe the cartoon in the nine newspapers today,
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  Speaker 2: all of these people, from Dawn Fraser to former Governor
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  Speaker 2: General David.
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  Speaker 3: Hurley, well they're all dupes.
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  Speaker 2: According to nine newspapers, none of the people calling for
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  Speaker 2: a raw commissioner thinking for themselves.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, they're all finger puppets.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at the cartoon published today in the
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald and Australian Age by cartoonist Kathy Wilcox.
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  Speaker 2: The cartoon depicts an apparent grassroots movement of Australians calling
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  Speaker 2: for a royal commission, and the cartoon mocks them. She's
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  Speaker 2: drawn what she calls labor has beens for a royal commission,
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  Speaker 2: and she's even got dogs for a royal commission underneath
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  Speaker 2: all of them, holding them all up. She's drawn conservative
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  Speaker 2: politicians like David Little Proud, Susan Lee, just Senter Price
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  Speaker 2: and of course John Howard.
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  Speaker 3: So the implication is clear.
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  Speaker 2: According to this cartoon, calls for a royal commission into
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  Speaker 2: the murder of fifteen Australians on December fourteen and not
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  Speaker 2: genuine calls for a Royal commissioner, just a cynical stunt
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  Speaker 2: cooked up by the dastardly right with everyday Australians too
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  Speaker 2: dim to notice they're being used. Now, if that was
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  Speaker 2: all there was to this cartoon, it would be bad enough.
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  Speaker 3: They want to show you again, and let your.
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  Speaker 2: Eyes drift to the bottom right corner of the cartoon,
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  Speaker 2: where Kathy Wilcox has thoughtfully included Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
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  Speaker 2: Netton Yahoo beating a drum. Yep, all those Australians calling
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  Speaker 2: for a royal commission into the Bondi terror attack, Well
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  Speaker 2: they're just marching to the beat of Benjamin neton Yahoo.
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  Speaker 3: So let's decode the.
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  Speaker 2: Message, because well, it isn't exactly hidden, is it. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: Israel's Prime minister exercises some kind of magical power over
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  Speaker 2: Australian public discourse. That grassroots movement calling for a royal
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  Speaker 2: commission is, according to the lead cartoon in the Sydney
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  Speaker 2: Morning Herald and Age newspapers, not a grassroots movement at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bunch of simpletons being manipulated and controlled by
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  Speaker 2: the Jews. According to the car the call for a
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  Speaker 2: royal commission is not legitimate. It's not real, it's not genuine.
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  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be taken seriously. Calls for a royal commission
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  Speaker 2: into the murder of Jews are just one more example
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  Speaker 2: of Zionist mind control. And just like that, you pick
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  Speaker 2: up your morning paper and your time traveling straight back
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  Speaker 2: to the medieval village square where someone's about to start
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  Speaker 2: shouting about poisoned wells and secret cabals.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I can't believe nine.
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  Speaker 2: Newspapers thought it was appropriate to publish this cartoon. The
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  Speaker 2: fact that a major Australian media outlet believes it's perfectly
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  Speaker 2: acceptable to publish age old, antisemitic tropes about nefarious Jews
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  Speaker 2: secretly wielding power for their own ends, well it's not
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  Speaker 2: only grotesque, but it's just another reason, as if we
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  Speaker 2: needed one, as to why a royal commission is so necessary.
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  Speaker 2: So well done to the SMH and the age talk
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  Speaker 2: about an own goal. Imagine mocking the need for a
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  Speaker 2: royal commission. It's beyond comprehension that they thought this cartoon
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  Speaker 2: was appropriate. Tell you what something is badly broken in
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  Speaker 2: this country. Let's play a little thought experiment. If instead
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  Speaker 2: of Jews killed for being Jews, it had been I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, gay's killed for being gay, or Aboriginals killed
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  Speaker 2: for being black, or women killed for being women, or
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  Speaker 2: Muslims killed for being Muslim. You think nine newspapers would
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  Speaker 2: publish an article mocking calls for a public inquiry and
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  Speaker 2: effectively suggesting that victims were in fact part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: You think nine newspapers would publish a cartoon like that
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  Speaker 2: if it concerned a slaughter of any other community, any
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  Speaker 2: community other than Jews. I mean, I suppose at least
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  Speaker 2: this cartoon puts to bed the old myth about Jews
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  Speaker 2: controlling Australia's media, doesn't it. What about the tens of
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  Speaker 2: thousands of Australians who have signed a petition calling for
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  Speaker 2: a Royal commissioner.
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  Speaker 3: They all been controlled by the Jews.
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  Speaker 2: The people of Australia want to understand what happened and
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  Speaker 2: what went wrong and how we can ensure radical Islam
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  Speaker 2: is weeded out of this country. What failed, who ignored
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  Speaker 2: the warnings?
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  Speaker 3: And why has.
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  Speaker 2: Radical Islamist ideology been allowed to festa until it allegedly
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  Speaker 2: erupted in mass murder on one of Australia's most famous beaches. Now,
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  Speaker 2: those questions aren't political, and there's certainly not an example
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  Speaker 2: of Benjamin net and Yahoo controlling the narrative. They're the
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  Speaker 2: sort of questions decent people ask. It's what we do
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  Speaker 2: when the social contracts contract snaps and the government tells
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  Speaker 2: us all to move along because there's nothing to see
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  Speaker 2: aside from all the dead bodies lying on the bondi Foreshaw.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the real obscenity in all of this is
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  Speaker 2: not the people demanding answers. It's that parts of the
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  Speaker 2: media would turn the massacre of Australian Jews into an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to push an anti Israel narrative and resurrect the
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  Speaker 2: world's oldest conspiracy thing. Australians don't want a Royal commission
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  Speaker 2: because they're being manipulated. They want it because they're sick
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  Speaker 2: to death of radical Islam being protected while anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: seems to have free reign endangering not only Jews but
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  Speaker 2: all of us. And after today's cartoon, can you really
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  Speaker 2: blame them? Well, there's been plenty of speculation in the
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  Speaker 2: past forty eight hours that the Prime Minister has softened
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  Speaker 2: his stance on a royal commission into the Bondi terror attack.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine he's been shown some polling. You shouldn't need poling, though,
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  Speaker 2: to know the difference between right and wrong. He was
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  Speaker 2: at the funeral of Peter Megha today, the last of
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  Speaker 2: the Bondi victims to be buried, and the only one
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  Speaker 2: of fifteen funerals that Anthony Elbinzi has attended. Now, for context,
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  Speaker 2: Peter Megher wasn't Jewish. He was at Bondi on December
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  Speaker 2: fourteenth as a freelance photographer capturing Jewish celebrations, but perhaps
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  Speaker 2: mixed with those grieving the loss of a husband and
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  Speaker 2: friend will soften the PM's heart and he'll finally belatedly
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  Speaker 2: call that royal commission. I mean, even former Green's leader
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  Speaker 2: Bob Brown on the ABC no Less said today that
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  Speaker 2: a full investigation into due hatred in this country was
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  Speaker 2: and I quote Bob Brown, very very important. Can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: what current members of the Greens thought of that, and
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  Speaker 2: speaking of current members of the Green they'd love to
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  Speaker 2: know what Bob Brown thinks of them. But back to
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  Speaker 2: our labor MP, will he do the right thing? Mike
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  Speaker 2: Kelly is a former Labor minister, ex army officer, and
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  Speaker 2: co convena of Labor Friends of Israel. He's part of
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  Speaker 2: a growing group of senior labor figures publicly backing a
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  Speaker 2: Royal commission into anti Semitism and is the most extremism
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  Speaker 2: Mike Kelly joins me. Now, Mike, thanks so much for
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  Speaker 2: coming on the program. I really do appreciate it. Calls
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  Speaker 2: for a royal commission, as I said, and now coming
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  Speaker 2: from everywhere, and yet so far the Albanizi has stonewalled.
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  Speaker 2: So I have to ask you what's wrong with the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a fairly common thing, James, where governments
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  Speaker 4: come out of the gate on a major incident and
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  Speaker 4: they're narrowly focused on the immediate issues in front of them,
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes it's very hard to get broader strategic thinking
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  Speaker 4: happening in that early phase after an incident. But what
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  Speaker 4: I'm hoping is that with the new information that continues
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  Speaker 4: to emerge. But more importantly they just complete unison and
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  Speaker 4: chorus of support for an RC by every corner of
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  Speaker 4: Australian society in a democratic country should send the signal Hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know, leadership in this situation means you also recognize
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  Speaker 4: that this is what the nation wants to see. But
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  Speaker 4: also you know it's just straight logic. You've got a
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  Speaker 4: situation where New South Wales and Chris Mins of showing
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  Speaker 4: the way. But this is not a SI or a
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  Speaker 4: New South Wales problem. This is a national problem and
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  Speaker 4: it requires national leadership, national action. And there's so many
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  Speaker 4: reasons why a Commonwealth Federal Royal Commission has to be
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  Speaker 4: put in place, from all of the issues that have
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  Speaker 4: to be compelled to be presented from the common Wealth
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  Speaker 4: organizations and officers, all of the things that need to
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  Speaker 4: be unpacked in the way that those agencies relate to
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  Speaker 4: state police, all of the broader contextual issues about the
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  Speaker 4: ecosystem of terrorism, how this kind of hate gets incubated
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  Speaker 4: and how it really is part of that disaggregated world
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  Speaker 4: terrorism that we're confronting these days, which we need everybody
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  Speaker 4: to come to grips with and understand the social media
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  Speaker 4: dimensions to it all which is orchestrated to a great
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  Speaker 4: degree by foreign actors. And then of course the healing
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  Speaker 4: process is that a Royal Commission can contribute to, as
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  Speaker 4: it did with the Veterans Raal Commission. So that broader
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  Speaker 4: understanding is what you really want a politician representative of
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  Speaker 4: your community to be across.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned it requires leadership, just very quickly because
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  Speaker 2: I want to move on to some other things. But
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  Speaker 2: is Anthie Albanezi failing in his leadership of the country
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, we have a saying in the army
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  Speaker 4: that says lead, follow or get out of the way.
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  Speaker 4: And at the moment, you know, I've got the community
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  Speaker 4: showing where they want to go, and so in this situation,
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  Speaker 4: leadership actually requires you saying, well, there go my people,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I must follow them. So I'm hoping
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  Speaker 4: that in the trail of all of these commentaries that
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  Speaker 4: we have seen and this latest document of the thirty
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  Speaker 4: two signatories, these are all people that I have worked
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  Speaker 4: and served with, and they are outstanding Australians of incredibly
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  Speaker 4: high moral fiber and decency, but with a breadth of
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  Speaker 4: experience from tactical levels of dealing with terrorism and problems
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  Speaker 4: all the way to strategic policy making. Who understand and
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  Speaker 4: the broader context of all of this stuff and if
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  Speaker 4: there with one voice speaking out to you, you must
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  Speaker 4: sit up and take notice. But from the community point
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  Speaker 4: of view, you know, when I was member of Edman Aero,
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  Speaker 4: i had about four hundred town halls and it was
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  Speaker 4: critically important to me to go and hear the community,
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  Speaker 4: to learn its perspectives, to maybe change mine on any issue,
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  Speaker 4: and to take that back to the party room to caucus.
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  Speaker 4: That to me is how the democratic process should work.
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  Speaker 4: And hopefully the members coming back and being recalled early
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  Speaker 4: if the government doesn't act before then, you know, need
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  Speaker 4: to reflect what they're experiencing at the cold face and
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  Speaker 4: the feedback there getting from the community.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Mike Kelly, you're very well connected within the labor movement.
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  Speaker 2: What are you hearing privately about the thinking of the
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  Speaker 2: PM and what do you expect to happen in the
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  Speaker 2: next few days, if anything, on this matter.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good question, James. And in the letter that
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  Speaker 4: we wrote, obviously there were a large number of labor
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  Speaker 4: people prepare to sign up publicly to that and more
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  Speaker 4: keep joining as we go on because we did this
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  Speaker 4: as fast as we could and couldn't bring everybody in
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  Speaker 4: the movement. But I've had phone calls today from very
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  Speaker 4: prominent union leaders supporting the effort. I know that there
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  Speaker 4: are very significant former MP's members of the party who,
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  Speaker 4: because of the positions they're in, didn't want to make
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  Speaker 4: a public representation, but contacting the Prime Minister and ministers
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  Speaker 4: privately to reflect their views. But all support the position
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  Speaker 4: we have taken. And so one just hopes that this
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  Speaker 4: continues to build and could I also, noting the comments
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  Speaker 4: you made earlier in this program, one hundred percent endorse
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  Speaker 4: your comments in relation to that heinous cartoon that appeared
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  Speaker 4: in the Sydney Morning Herald.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just could not believe it when I picked
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  Speaker 2: up the paper and saw that today. Just one more
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  Speaker 2: question on this issue before I move on to politicians
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  Speaker 2: making the most of the.
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  Speaker 3: Perks they get.
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  Speaker 2: You wrote today a great article, by the way, in
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  Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper that a Royal commission is necessary because
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  Speaker 2: you don't believe what we've been told that the alleged
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  Speaker 2: perpetrators of the Bondi attack were loan actors. Just expand
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  Speaker 2: on that for me a little bit more as to
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  Speaker 2: what you believe and why a Royal Commission is so
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  Speaker 2: necessary in fleshing that out.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've obviously stayed very closely involved with the security
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  Speaker 4: affairs of the nation, and you keep an eye on
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  Speaker 4: how terrorism has been evolving. I was at the call
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  Speaker 4: face of that and deployments overseas, and really it's a
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  Speaker 4: silly thing to say that you know, they're lone actors
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  Speaker 4: when that's not And perhaps we're talking about yeah, physically
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  Speaker 4: helping people with weapons or physically planning the attack for
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  Speaker 4: them or with them, and helping movements or whatever, the
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  Speaker 4: direct sort of input into an attack like that, but
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  Speaker 4: that's not how the system works these days with this
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  Speaker 4: disaggregated approach to terrorism. So the these terrorist organizations understand
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  Speaker 4: you've got to avoid detection, you've got to avoid the
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  Speaker 4: ability of agencies to join the dots. Now the technology
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  Speaker 4: is out there that helps you do that and get
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  Speaker 4: around those problems. We don't have that technology available in
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  Speaker 4: our agencies. But basically it means that you've got people
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  Speaker 4: filling different roles. So the hate preachers of Western Sydney
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  Speaker 4: who assist with the process of conditioning someone mentally so
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  Speaker 4: that they can look down a scope at a ten
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  Speaker 4: year old little girl running to her mother and shoot
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  Speaker 4: her dead. That requires a special state of mind, and
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  Speaker 4: there are people who play a role in creating that
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  Speaker 4: and enabling that to happen. And then the question of
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  Speaker 4: well advice that they might get about looking for the
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  Speaker 4: opportunities or tips about how to find information about developing
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  Speaker 4: improvised explosive devices. All these things these days are done
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  Speaker 4: by word of mouth or other means that can't be
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  Speaker 4: detected technically. So nothing happens in this space where these
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  Speaker 4: two people are just acting out of the blue. It's
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  Speaker 4: been something that they have been prepped to do mentally.
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  Speaker 2: At the very least, You're absolutely right whenever we hear
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  Speaker 2: Loan will attack, we all know that's not how things work.
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  Speaker 2: Just before I let you go, Mike, there's a story
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  Speaker 2: out today suggesting numbers of our federal politicians are using
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  Speaker 2: a very generous taxpayer funded travel allowance to pay off
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  Speaker 2: properties they've bought in Canbra. So the idea is, rather
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  Speaker 2: than spend a three hundred and twenty two dollars a
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  Speaker 2: night allowance on a hotel when they're in Canberra, they're
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  Speaker 2: diverting those funds to pay off mortgages on properties they've
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  Speaker 2: bought in the National capital. According to the Daily Telegraph,
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  Speaker 2: there's fifty six federal MPs and senators who own homes
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  Speaker 2: in Candra, which is rather convenient. And why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: if you've got access to about thirty grand a year
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  Speaker 2: that can be used to pay off a home. So
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  Speaker 2: I know it's within the rules, but do you think
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  Speaker 2: most Australians in the middle of a housing crisis would
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  Speaker 2: view this as okay?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, the housing affordability situation is something that really
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  Speaker 4: burns a hole in the public and when they see
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  Speaker 4: these sorts of arrangements, understandably they get upset. And look,
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  Speaker 4: I never took advantage of this thing. It would have
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  Speaker 4: been heinous if I had have done, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was living just outside Canberra. But you know the
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  Speaker 4: thing is that, you know, to take advantage of a
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  Speaker 4: scheme like that when you're getting paid pretty well compared
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  Speaker 4: to the average Australian really doesn't pass the sniff test,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And it's a situation where we have to
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  Speaker 4: really have a good look at these rules and make
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  Speaker 4: sure that yes, politicians need to be properly remunerated for
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  Speaker 4: a tough job, and you want the best and brightest
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  Speaker 4: you can get. But you know, let's not have this
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  Speaker 4: sort of backdoor thing going on. You know, we need
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  Speaker 4: to be up front this train public and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of things need to be looked
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  Speaker 4: at again, as we've seen recently with the family reunion
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  Speaker 4: stuff that all. So you know, I never was able
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  Speaker 4: to take advantage or never wanted to take advantage of that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I just didn't think it was right.
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  Speaker 3: You were there at the wrong time. You were there
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  Speaker 3: at the wrong time, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: All these things that you could have been a part
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  Speaker 2: of you you missed them by that much. Hey, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate your time tonight. It's always great to talk with you.
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  Speaker 2: And more power to you for all of your efforts
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  Speaker 2: in terms of getting a Royal commission off the ground.
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  Speaker 3: I really appreciate your work. Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go now to the breaking story overnight from
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  Speaker 2: Sky News reporter Caroline Marcus. New South Wales police investigating
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  Speaker 2: an award winning children's author after he published a controversial,
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  Speaker 2: to say the least, article questioning the innocence of the
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  Speaker 2: victims killed in the Bondai Beach terror attack.
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  Speaker 3: Can you believe it? He discussed this and more.
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  Speaker 2: Executive manager of the Australian Israel and Jewish Affairs Council,
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  Speaker 2: Joel Bernie Joel, always great to talk with you. Author
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  Speaker 2: Matt Chun wrote an article about the Bondai terror attack
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  Speaker 2: headlined we don't mourn fashions.
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  Speaker 3: How a ten year old little girl was a fascist?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But in the article he calls the first victim identified
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  Speaker 2: in the Bondai massacre, Rabbi Eli Schlanger, a quote Zionist Zalot,
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  Speaker 2: and he goes on to say whiteness, Jewishness and the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: backdrop of Bondi Beach were enough to bestow every person
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: killed with default, innocence and virtue. And then he continues
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: this played directly into the hands of Zionists and their
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: captured media. Few people would have known that the targeted
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: event was the broad daylight celebration of a violent supremacist
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: organization deeply complicit in the ongoing genocide of Palestinians.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Joel, as a Jewish.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Man, your thoughts reading that in light of what happened
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: at Bondai.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for having me as usual,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: and this is just another of so many examples of
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: the sheer, contempt and unconscionable behavior of some people in
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: this country. Matt Chin is a known troll on these issues,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: but the depth of hatred that he has for Jewish
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: people to call them or question their innocence. The poor
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: fifteen people that were gunned down in cold blood on Bondai,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: somehow their innocence is questioned because potentially they supported Jewish
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: self determination in our ancestral and biblical homeland. Such is
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: the unconsfiable level and despicable level of hatred that people
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: like this have for the Jewish people that they would
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: question poor little ten year old Matilda and even make
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: the slight suggestion or inference that she had it coming
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: or her murder was somehow justified because she believes in
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: self Jewish self determination in the state of Israel. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: the type of disgusting, futred, toxic anti Semitism, and dewe
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: hatred that we've seen an explosion of over the past
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: two and a bit years since the horrific massacre of
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: October seven, twenty twenty three. But the biggest issue that
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: we have here, James or One of the big issues
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: is that this guy and many of his friends that
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: hold similar view towards Jewish people that created the atmosphere
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: that turned out to be the largest terror attack in
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Australia's history. They're getting funded by the government through grant
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: script systems and through creative subsidies and through different grants.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: These haters are getting paid to spew their hatred on
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: taxpayer dollars. And this is exactly why a Royal Commission
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: is required to look into the sources of anti Semitism
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: into this country so a comprehensive plan of action can
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: be developed to take out this tumor in toxin out
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: of Australian society.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: In the last I checked Matt Chun's article. I mean,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: as despicable as it was, it had been shared hundreds
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of times and liked thousands of time. And how that's
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: not incitement. It's beyond me. As I said, my colleague
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Caroline Marcus broke that story and police are investigating, so
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I dare say we'll hear more on that. As we've
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: been talking about Joel, the PM remains under considerable pressure
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to back a Royal commission. I wanted to ask you
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: how angry is the Jewish community that the PM has
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: resisted calls for a royal commission, and if he backflips,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: will he deserve any credit.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: So importantly, you could imagine the rage and anger that's
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: in the Jewish community by the delaying and the excuses
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: for avoiding a royal commission. It's been it's a continuation
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: of the bad behavior and the poor behavior leveled by
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: the Federal government towards the Jewish community since they were
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: elected three and a half years ago, and certainly after
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: the events of October seven, twenty twenty three. So the
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Prime Minister's delay in addressing the Jewish community after the massacre,
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: his delay in coming back to Melbourne after he does
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: sin a gog burned down, all these delays, the inability
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: of him or his staff to request to attend the
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Jewish victim's funerals or to actually see Jewish victims in hospital.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: So his delay on the Royal commission is just a
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: continuation of what appears to be a very acute Jewish
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: problem inside the Australian Labor Party. If he indeed does backflip,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: and it is my hope that he does, we are
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: conscious of two very important things. There is still the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: very important terms of reference to be developed, and as
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: also the appointment of a commissioner to that Royal Commission
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: as well. So even if he does backflip and call
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: a Royal Commission, there are still some very important details
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: that we hope if he is genuine about fighting the
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: scourge of anti Semitism, we are hopeful that he gets right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: If he does, he will have the full support of
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the Jewish community. And the reason is simple, and it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: very important. As resilient as we are, and as strong
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: as we are, and as proud Australians as we are,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: there is a lingering question amongst all of us that
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: we talk about at our table, and that is whether
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: or not there is a future for Australian Jews in
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: this country. This Royal Commission, if the Prime Minister gets
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: it right, can assist in answering that question in the affirmative. Absolutely,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: we have a future here and if that's to be,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: if that is to be the course of action that
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: the Prime Minister takes, he will get the support from
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: the Jewish community from that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Joe Bernie, you're always very well spoken, you always make
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense, and you're always a delight to
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: speak to. Thanks so much for joining me tonight.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Well coming up.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: After the break, New South Wales Liberal leader Kelly Sloane
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: has unveiled her new look shadow cabinet, boasting she paid
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: no attention to how many women were in it. Plus,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the Victorian Labor government has been an a figurative sinkhole
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: for a while. Now there's a little sinkhole in Melbourne
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: as tunneling for Jacinta Allen's Northeast link collapses.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: All of that coming up, Welcome.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Back to the program will New South Wales opposition leader
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Kelly Sloane has revamped her front bench in an effort
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: to make the Liberals competitive. She says the opposition has
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: put the Men's government on notice, with a batch of
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: first time MPs earning a spot on the front bench,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: as well as Conservative powerbrokers assigned key roles.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: We have mums and dads, we have people from the
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: city and from the country, people fresh out of corporate life.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: This is an exciting team that is ready to govern.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I'll be working with my new shadow ministry, along with
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: our nationalist colleagues, to develop fresh policies and a clear
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: vision for New South Wales.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Here to help us assess it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Sky News contributor and author for The Spectator Terry Barnes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Terry is the New South Wales opposition front bencher winning team.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Well, good evening, James.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm actually quite impressed. I'man Kelly Sloan. I like
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the cut of a jib. I think the fact that
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: she tested her leadership and showed that she is up
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to the job after BONDI being one of the very
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: first responders there is in her local electorate. I impressed
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: me the way is prepared to actually be practical and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: pragmatic and put ideology aside and get on with the job.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: It also impresses me, and I think the Shadow Ministry
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: impresses me for those reasons as well. One she's putting
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: her personal stamp on it. Two she's prepared to bring
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in the broad church of the parliamentary Liberal Party in
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: New South Wales, moderates and conservatives, even though she is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: more of a moderate background. And three she's actually putting
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: people there on merit, at least that's what she says,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm prepared to give her the benefit of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: doubt at the moment.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: So we're getting.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: People who are up to the job, not simply there
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: because they're a factional hack, or they happen to be
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a female, or they happen to be this, or they
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: happen to be that. We're dealing with the We're dealing
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: with a pragmatic opposition leader who when she says she's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: setting out a team for government, you actually have to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: half believe it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's sixteen men and ten women. Kelly
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Sloane was asked about the gender balance since she replied,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and I quote, it's some that I don't think of.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: We have a female leader, a female deputy, and I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: then simply chose the best team.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: It's kind of refreshing to.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Hear a liberal talk about just choosing people on merit.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be refreshing, it should be obvious. But like
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you say, I think she's made a good start, all right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Some remarkable pictures out of Melbourne's North yesterday, with tunneling
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: on Victoria's twenty six billion dollar Northeast Link brought to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a grinding halt after experts confirmed boring machines were a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: contributing factor in a massive sinkhole opening at a Heidelberg
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: sports oval.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: We were promised you a first rate, top tier triple
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: A tunnel and we've just got a new pond in
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the middle of our cricket pitch.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: There's no immediate risks to the community or residences in
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: that in that area.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Honestly, can you imagine doing the press conferences Transport Infrastructure
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: minist So she must have wished the ground would open
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: up and swallow her.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Hang on a second, it almost terry.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Would you be trusting the Labor government that there's no
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: risk to residents in the area.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Well, if that's sick hole had been one hundred and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: fifty meters one way or the other, it would have
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: actually threatened residents in the area, wouldn't it, Because the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: sporting ovals right in the middle of the suburb of Pindelberg.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And certainly I think if houses had gone down that hole,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: not just a cricket pitcher, I think there'd be more
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: than just a few rye smiles about and jokes about. Well,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: good government is supposed to be boring, but not like this.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And certainly I think the reality is that this project,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this Northeast linked project, is Labour's pet baby. If basically
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the tunneling is going so close to the surface. It's
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: causing these problems that should reasonably been foreseen, not just
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: by the contractors but by the government itself. So I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: think the Minister should be answering questions about what decisions
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: were made, what led to this, and if we're talking
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: about inquiries, I mean, I think they should have an
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: inquiry into why this happened and what needs to be
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: done to make sure it doesn't have again.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Tell you what, if I lived a few streets from there,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I'd be moving my family into a hotel for a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, staying in Victoria. Liberal Sam Groth has
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: agreed to stand down as Deputy leader after announcing his
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: retirement from state politics at the end of this term.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Terry that he had much choice, but I guess the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: question I wanted to ask you in light of that,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: which represents more ongoing internal turmoil, we now resigned to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: another few years of labor running Victoria. I was going
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to say, into the ground after that last story, it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: pretty apt.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you've actually got the right image there too.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But in terms of the Victorian Liberals, I mean, the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: clown show has resumed. I've actually thought that Jess Wilson
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: on becoming leader and getting some clear air and getting
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: actually the electorate's attention, I think for the first time
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in the best part of a decade, all the Victorian
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Liberals positive attention. That is, I just think Sam Groth
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: pulling the plug in the way he did, and particularly
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: making the point that his colleagues were part of the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: problem that led him to do that, I just think
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: really just takes them back to square one again. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: for Jess Wilson to say, oh, it's historical problems before,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: why I came along to the report, it's all under
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the bridge, I think that's a load of hohoha. But
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: certainly I think Sam Groth, as a deputy leader who's
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: decided not to stand again, did have to stand aside.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's reality. But the bottom line is here
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is did Jess Wilson and the Parliamentary Liberal Party as
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a whole make a real effort to keep him because
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: in her press conference when I think on Monday when
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this was announced, Jess Wilson talked about it at length
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and talked about having copy with Sam Groth and listening
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to and understanding his family issues and the things that
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: led to him making decision are pretty awful in terms
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of the way his family was dragged into the mud.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But I heard her not say at any point, oh,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I tried to persuade him to stay. I tried to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: get him to stay. We need him to stay. But no, no,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I've just got the feeling, Oh, we've washed our hands
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: for a problem here and we're going to move on.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: But that's the problem with Victorian Liberals, James I've compared
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to what we just saw with New South Wales and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Kelly Sloane. I think Jess Wilson's I think she's got
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a reasonable shot of doing well if she can actually
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: get a team to do well and function as a team.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But all the evidence so far is that they're not
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: going to do that. And certainly in terms of Sam
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Groth and the likely leadership or deputy leadership replacements, then
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: none of them are very impressive. For one reason or another.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: They haven't really troubled the scorer as in terms of policy,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in terms of scoring hits on the Labor government. So
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: look less than twelve months out from election, I mean
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: ten months out in November.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I really hope that this is just.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: A momentary blip but you know, it's back to the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: future for the Liberal Party in Victoria.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I hear what you say. I hope it's a momentary
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: blip too.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But then every time there's a momentary blip, you just
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: hope it's a momentary blip until the next moment and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the next moment, and on and on it goes, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: eventually you've got a.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Little bit this is a pattern.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, before I let you go, Terry, I spoke
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: at the top of the show about the cartoon in
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the Age and smh today from cartoonist Kathy Wilcox. Papers
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: are in told to publish what they like, but wow,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a cartoon that effectively mocks people for wanting a royal
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: commission and suggests it's all orchestrated by Israel.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Just quickly, what did you make of it?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I heard you say at the top of the program,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: it reminded you of medieval villagers, reminded me of Berlin
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties. To be honest with you, I'm not sure.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's not what she was intending to achieve
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Kathy Wilcox. But the implication that this was some sort
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of Jewish conspiracy orchestrated by Benjamin Nettyahu. I just think
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was absolutely reprehensible, and she was insulting people like Mike Kelly,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: who you had on earlier. I think she called them
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: labor MP has been so or something like that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: And certainly, look.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I just think that type of that type of cartoon,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that type of trope has no place in Australia. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the other side of it is if she's saying that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to people supporting your Royal Commission are somehow net Yahoo puppets.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you go to the Nine newspaper's own
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Resolved Media Monitor pole just before the new year, almost
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: half of Australian support a Royal Commission, only seventeen percent opposed.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It is she saying that mister and missus ordinary Australia,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: they're anti Submitia, or they're puppets of Benjamin ett Yahu
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and the Israeli government.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I just that would certainly think I would certainly seem.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: To be the implication, wouldn't it. It's just yeah, absolutely
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Terry Barnes, always great to chat, Thanks so much for
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: coming on the program. We're going to go to a break,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: but coming up, are we raising a generation of kidd alts.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: That's young adults.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Who haven't left home and have been cushioned from adulthood.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Is it time for a bit of tough love? That's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: coming up next, Welcome back to the program. Well, there's
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: been an interesting study from the University of Melbourne published
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: across newspapers today claiming more than a third of Australian
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: boys have misogynistic attitudes and forty percent of Australian boys
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: support violent extremist ideologies. The study into the link between
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: misogyny and violent extremism was done in the wake of
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the Bondeier Islamust attack, where told which I kind of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: found interesting two alleged Islamists shoot up a bunch of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Jews and a UNI researcher thinks misogyny must have played
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a role. Joining me as National Education editor for News
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Corps Suzi O'Brien.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Suzi.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: This was a study of five hundred six hundred boys
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: aged thirteen to seventeen that sought to find a link
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: between what it called anti feminist attitudes and support for
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: violent extremism. The Herald's Son reported the coincidence of misogynistic
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and extremist attitudes makes it an important and overlooked part
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle in our countering violent extreams and efforts,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and a possible early warning sign is a pathway to radicalization. Now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not disputing that misogyny is a problem, but I
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: do find this study pretty unfair to boys when you
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: consider the questions put to thirteen year olds, and I
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: find it pretty convenient at a time when the focus
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: should be on radical Islam rather than anti feminist attitudes
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: among year eight schoolboys.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: What did you make of the study?
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this was an exclusive story by my colleague Mary
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: Papadakis today. Look, I think it's just alarming and depressing, really,
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: and it wasn't done in the wake of the Bondai attack.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: It was released in the wake of the attack, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: the research was done some years ago. What they're looking
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: at is the nexus between anti feminist views, anti Semitic views,
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: violent extremism.
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: And sort of white pro white power view.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: And even in boys as young as year eight, we
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: find forty percent saying that they, for example, their anti
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: views like views against women, so things like that they
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: think you can use violence to get what you want.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: They think that women use sexuality to manipulate men, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: they think that that in marriage you can a husband
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: to be able to force a wife to have sex
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: even if she doesn't want to. And so it's part
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: of the puzzle in terms of extreme violent views, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: I think, as uncomfortable as it is, we need to
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: know what some of these views are.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was a really interesting study.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I looked at some of the questions that were put
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to these boys and as I said, many of them
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: year eight year nine boys. I felt like, I'm not
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: so sure you would understand that boys would be able
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to understand some of the nuance of those questions. Anyway, interesting,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about an article you wrote,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and no doubt my two twenty year old boys will
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: be home watching, so please help me out here, Susie.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Your article was pointing out it's not unusual for kids
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: to be living at home with mum and dad until
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: they're well into their twenties, even their thirties, you wrote,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: with nearly half of young adults still living at home.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Over indulgent parenting has helped create a generation of kidults.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You say, we're raising a generation of young people who
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: have learned helplessness, and their helplessness is being sustained rather
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: than challenged. Am I failing my kids by still allowing
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: them to be at home at age twenty?
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: Look, I've got a twenty year old still living at home.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: I've got a twenty two year old still living at home.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: And look, it's fascinating because this has been a massive
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: generational shift in like the last ten years, where even
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: people our age, you know, in their fifties and sixties
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: are deferring retirement, and they are making retirement plans based
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: on the assumption they will have ongoing financial responsibility for
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: their adult children.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: Pretty sure, my our.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: Parents went doing that thirty years ago, like there was
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: no none of that kind of assumption.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: But you know what, I do love these stories about
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: the kid oats.
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: And you know, reflecting on my own perhaps two permissive parenting,
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: you know I probably let them get away with too
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: much because you know, we want them to be saved,
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: we want them to save a bit of money, so
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: we say, I'll stay home a bit longer.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: But you know, they're very obliging, which makes it easier.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: You know, they're happy to sit at home and wait
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: for us to come home and cook them dinner. They're
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: more than happy to borrow our car because they've got
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: no petrol in theirs. And they will even lift up
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: there feet so we can vack in underneath.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: So you know, they're making it easy for us.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Susie.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I've got to go, so just help me out here.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: My kids are watching. Should kids pay bored yes or no?
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: No?
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: No, they're full time students, but the minute they have
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: full time jobs, they will be paying board, that's for sure.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks for nothing, Thanks for nothing, Susan, time tonight. Good
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: on you all right, Bear a thought not just for parents,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: but for Victorians. With temperatures today upwards of forty degrees
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and no reprieve expected until Saturday, Victorians have been issued
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: with an extreme fire danger warning, and that comes amidst
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: renewed debate on whether or not the state has been
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: adequately prepared. Joining me with an update, CFA Chief Officer
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Jason Heffernan, Jason, thanks for joining me. There's a total
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: fireban throughout much of Victoria this week.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Just how serious is the threat?
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: The threat is very serious here in Victoria. As you said,
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: today we saw mid forties across much of the state
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: and hot northerly winds and whilst Melbourne will see some
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: reprieve tomorrow with cooler temperatures. The northern part of the
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: state will return to mid forty degree temperatures and wins.
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: But all attention is focused on Friday. Friday is the
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: peak day of fire danger here in Victoria and the
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: Bureau has just advised this this afternoon that we are
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: expecting a forecast of catastrophe fire conditions across three weather
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: districts in Victoria currently the wimm are Northern Country and
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: Northern Central weather districts, which is quite concerning for a fire.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: A fire is given.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: We already have two large fires burning in the landscape
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: at the moment which are currently at emergency warning levels.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: So we've been told this is the worst fire danger
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: since the Black Summer of twenty nineteen.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Labour's Environment Minister says the state is well prepared.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with that assessment.
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: Look, I think it's always dangerous to compare seasons and
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: seasons days on days. The reality is come Friday in particularly,
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: those temperatures are going to be soaring, the relative humidities
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: down into the single digits, and those winds will be
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: very very strong, destructive in some spots and to add
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: icing to the cake. The Bureau is also predicting some
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: lightning potential, particularly tomorrow into Friday. We work as one
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: here in Victoria, the emergency services of all banding together
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: as we always do in our readiness and preparations for
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: the Friday's weather event, but also the weather that we
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: have today and tomorrow. And as I said, we've got
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: two large fires burning across the state at the moment.
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: One at Wohlwa which is an emergency warning level for
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: residents and community there to leave now.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: But the long.
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: Warm fire which is just on the Hume Highway there,
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: it is off and running at the moment in the
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: Strafbogie rages that will be a significant concern for fire
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: authorities on Friday and already is challenging us under today's conditions,
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: let alone what we're expecting to see on Friday.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: There you go, summer in Australia. Appreciate all that you
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: and your team do, and we wish you all the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: very best for this week as you face those challenges. Right,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: we're going to go to a break coming up. Is
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the US ready to put boots on the ground in Greenland?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Trump says it's a matter of national security. But what
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: costs all of that and more? After this, all right,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: let's get into some US news with Sky News contributor
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Kosher Garda Kosher Welcome. The Trump administration keep talking about
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the need to take control of Greenland.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: The US President says it's a national.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Security priority, citing the presence of Russian and Chinese ships
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: in the area.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Have listened to some of his comments.
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: Right now Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: All over the place.
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: Denmark is not going to be able to do it,
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: I can tell you.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: So.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Critics say it will do immeasurable damage to US allies.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Break it down for US, what would be the strategic
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: advantage for the US to take control of the region,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and what's the downside in terms of their relationship with NATO.
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: So there's three main vectors of the strategic advantage that
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: people are talking about. One is the rare earth minerals
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: ostensibly that are in that large land mass that is Greenland.
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: They're very hard to get, but they do exist. There
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: sort of option value against that in the future as
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: that becomes more and more valuable for modern day industry.
• 43:18
  Speaker 11: The second is the shipping lanes, which he President alluded
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: to in the clip over there, and that the Russians
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: and Chinese are basically crowding out those shipping lanes and taking.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Advantage of it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: And it's just in the US's backyard, so to speak.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: But the third one, and the most important one really
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: is national security and defense. It already is home to
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: a large military base for the US and it serves
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: as an early detection, early warning system. If there ever
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: were to be an attack from an adversary on the
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: continental United States coming from that side of the world,
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: that base is designed to pick that up. In Greenland,
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: and right now that's sort of quasi outsourced to this
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: partnership with Denmark and Greenland. And I think what the
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: Trump administration is alluding to it is in the United
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: States strategic interest to cut the middleman out that would
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: be Denmark and just take ownership of it directly. What
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: that looks like, how that will play out, of course,
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: is a whole other kettle of fish. And in terms
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: of what it does damage to the allies. Look, Europe
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: and United States relations right now are a little bit rocky,
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: to say the least, and I don't think anybody would
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: be surprised to think that NATO is a little bit
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: on its I don't want to see on his last legs,
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: but it certainly is the weakest that it's ever been,
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: and we might see a new era where there are
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: direct bilateral defense agreements as opposed to this gigantic sort
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: of NATO infrastructure with Europe. Just given where we are
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: now eighty years post World War.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Two, let's go to Venezuela.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: The opposition leader there and Nobel Laureate has praised Trump's
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: decisive military action against Maduro as a turning point for freedom,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: but she's warning leaving Maduro's deputy in charge risks continuing
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: repression and instability. So I feel like a lot of
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: people are saying, hey, you need to put the opposition
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: leader in, But at the same time they're saying that
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Trump shouldn't be involved in regime change.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: So how does Trump work this.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: He's got the deputy there, the opposition leader might be better,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: but he's not supposed to be involved in regime change.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: What does he do that's right?
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: And I think that's why he's letting the normal process
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: take course, which is that the deputy gets sworn in.
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: A lot of people, of course, are saying that Maduro
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: had a deep bench and nothing will change. I think
• 45:29
  Speaker 11: the theory of the case for the Trump administration is
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: that things will change because their negotiating leverage just got
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: much much stronger in the last forty eight hours. And
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: those guys know what the US military and special forces
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: are capable of, and so they might be willing to
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: play ball, as so to speak. And really what that's
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: going to come down to is doing strong unilateral deals.
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: I think that's what the President came out and said
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: for oil and oil refinery with the United States and
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: not with Cuba, not with Russia, not with China. So
• 45:56
  Speaker 11: long as they do that, I don't think President Trump
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: wants to get involved and meddling and helping the opposition
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: party come in, and that then gets too far into
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: the weeds of regime change, which he and his base
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: are very much against.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: You mentioned oil.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Is there the potential that Australian petrol prices could be
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: lower because of what's happened in Venezuela.
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: Possibly it's one factor. There's, of course, a lot more
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: that goes into the prices here. As we talk about
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: all the time from the net zero agenda to everything else.
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: But Venezuela is one of the richest reserves of oil
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: in the world. Twenty percent of the world's oil is
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: sitting there in reserve and not to developed, not refined.
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: And that is again the theory of the case here.
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: One of the reasons that people are speculating why Trump,
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: the Trump administration made this move is to set it free,
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: rebuild the infrastructure to develop it, and refine it, which
• 46:44
  Speaker 11: is completely broken in Venezuela, and then setting that out
• 46:48
  Speaker 11: into the market. It should have some implication on pricing
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: for sure, if you can release that level of supply
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: into the marketplace.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Koscher, let's finish on some good news. Minnesota
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Governor Tim Waltz, who was also the Democrats twenty twenty
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: four vice presidential nominee thank god he didn't get in,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: has announced he's ending his bid for a third term,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: whilst has quit the race saying NonStop pressure from the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Trump administration made governing impossible. This is a good thing,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: isn't it that he's dropped out?
• 47:21
  Speaker 11: I would think so. The Minnesotans deserve a competent governor.
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: The reason why this is because two months ago he
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: said he was running. So the only thing that's happened
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: between then and now for this about face is a massive,
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: massive proportion of scandal and fraud has engulfed him. He's
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: embroiled in that in Minnesota to the tune of ten
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: to even twenty billion dollars of federal funding being scammed
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: through all these fake daycares and age cares and other
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: things like that. It's just the tip of the iceberg.
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: So he is really in the crosshairs right now politically
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: as well as public perception. And I think that is
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: really what's driving him. It's not due to benevolence or
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: being bullied by the Trump administration.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I think everybody could see through that. It's always Trump's fault. Kosher.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Everyone knows Trump is the problem. Certainly that's the card
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Tim Weltz is playing, Kosher. Appreciate your time tonight, thanks
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: for joining me. Well, Australia is well on track to
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: win the Sydney Test, but they haven't made it easy
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: on themselves. Have a look at how Cameron Green made
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: an absolute mess of what should have been a regulation
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: slips catch.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Edytrot.
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: Green getting two hands to it, not controlling its hand
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: duckets has a reprieve and things have gone a little
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: England's way.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: But cricket lovers don't despair. I have a solution.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Get rid of Cameron Green, kick him out of the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Australian team. We can't have guys like that, and replace
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: him with the guy in the crowd at the Big
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Bash game.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: On Tuesday night.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: If you want a fielder who can catch, check out
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: this bloke takes a one hander while carrying two beers.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Until he does something like this. Has this gone all
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the way? It has? Oh wish one here you two beers.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: You're welcome.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: That is a great Australian right there. He should be
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: in the next Test team.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: That's all from me. Stick around.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Coming up is the Late Debate with Freile Each, Claire
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Row and Holly Hughes.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Good night.