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Barbara about Bound Banger management fantasy hockey
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podcast. Woo woo woo, I felt like you
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were rushing to say. Yeah, you're like, I felt like
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you lagged, that's why. Yeah, Yeah, it's not.
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Like not throwing a curveball at you.
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Yeah, no, I'm like always like apprehensive about what's gonna
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happen now. Keep running your toes.
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Yeah, yeah, always keeping it interesting.
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Welcome in two Bangor management, the fantasy hockey
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podcast with Jake Josh and he did not like today, Kev work
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today. We're going to be doing our Week
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19 News and Updates episode. Wait, what happens at Tidbits?
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What? You said news and updates.
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You didn't mention the tidbits. Yeah, which is the most
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important part of the? Episode, but not yeah.
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Yeah. There's a system, guys.
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OK, as always, you can find the link to our social media, which
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is in the link tree in the podcast description.
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So let's get into the news stories and.
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Tidbits. Thank goodness.
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From around the league. I was worried we didn't have any
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tidbits this. Week listeners, you don't even
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know what kind of agony Kevin and Josh were just.
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In. Not again now my eye.
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OK. I was gonna make a comment but
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it's too much. Yeah, me too.
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Well, this goes after This is about hockey.
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Yeah, don't know different kind of Bangor management.
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Oh my God. Well, that's got to be edited
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up. Yeah, OK.
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First on our list, Valerie, Valerie Nichushkin, expected to
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be back after the break, should slot into a top six role and
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power play one. Joanne or Lehkonen could be
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bumped off I think. Before we get into the fantasy
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ramifications of this, the way you said Valerie and then you
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said Valerie maybe like made me think of that meme where you
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like you text her girlfriend like like, like what?
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What is it like instead of high or like Hannah or like it?
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Auto corrects. Valerie.
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I really hope she's not listening.
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Valerie. Who's Valerie?
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I think that actually happened to me with like at one point
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where I was like, man, I wish Valerie would just, you know,
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like something happens, Valerie. Yeah, the ramifications.
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Yes. So firstly for who's bumped off,
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I think Drew is gonna stay. I think he's had such a six
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season. Yeah.
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And they'd chemistry with Mckinnon's really there.
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So I see that. That's my guess.
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I mean, obviously we'll have to see.
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And yeah, it's huge for the Abs in overall.
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I still think they're gonna trade for a centre.
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I think that would be pretty good.
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I don't know. Who they're going to make it?
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Happen. They have space and everything
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I've seen says they're not done, so I think they will as well.
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I don't think that will affect Nichushkin.
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Spot on Power play 1 though. No, I think no, no.
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No, it's gonna be P1 ahead of these guys.
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Yeah, yes. Actually it would be a
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conversation depending who they sign.
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Mean it's definitely possible, but like everything I've seen,
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like everyone saying, oh, we need to choose come back so bad,
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like he needs the power play so much better.
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He makes the team so much better.
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So I think like he's a really big piece.
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Obviously all the office issues is what make is the only reason
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that there's kind of like any discussion.
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Or yeah, the true skin and the one of dryer lichenin.
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Or mystery personally trade for yeah.
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Yeah, no, no, I, I agree. I think that nutrition is
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definitely going to be there, but like Middlestadt centering
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that line just isn't good enough.
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If they get a better centre, then I think they could be a
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real contender. This.
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Year yeah and she's owned in less than he's at 49% owned in
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Yahoo right now. So I know a lot of people have
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been asking us like for IR stashes and stuff like that.
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So I think he's probably the best one because he's coming
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back immediately after the break and I think it's probably gonna
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have one of the biggest impacts of the IR guys available.
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So yeah, definitely, if he's available in your league, grab
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him now while you can. Yeah, absolutely.
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For sure cool it just feels unnatural cause we usually spend
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so much more time on the first part.
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But I feel like we said others need to set.
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OK wow I'm shook. OK #2 Boone Jenner expected to
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be back after the break. Expect him to slot into a top
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six role in power play. One until Marchenko.
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Monaghan return, I could have said.
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Or Marchenko. Or manager.
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Marchenko was fitted for a face cage for his broken jaw and
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might be back sooner than expected after the break.
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Here comes the I mean his I don't really want it.
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Here comes the boom. His time was 1-6 to 8 weeks.
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Yeah, so. That kind of was like what week
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2324 yeah of the fantasy season. So that's basically the
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semifinals or the finals of your fantasy matchup championship.
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Sorry. So I mean, definitely worth
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looking at if you can stash them or trade for Marchenko Baboon.
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Until then, he's gonna be. Another one of those kind of
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like similar to although I think chicken is better, but another
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guy who should be coming back like right after the break and
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is very low owned and on IR. So another guy that I would rush
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to. Grab really good for her this
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off leagues especially like yeah, obviously, but he's going
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to be a guy that's going to be hovering around a double double
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for sure yeah he'll contribute in blocks at least in the past
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he has maybe after the injury has game changes a little bit
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I'm not sure but we'll have to wait and see.
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But he's gonna be slotting into better deployment that we
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expected initially when we were first telling you to stash him,
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right? Yeah, that's good news if you
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have them on your IR. It's an elite Bangers player
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with a dual eligibility also. 0.5 points per game and I think
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that's very doable. Like he's not gonna be the best
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points on your team, but. It's such a good pick.
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Up exactly, it really is yeah. For bangers leagues, even
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without face off I would still try to stash him if you have the
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chance. But with faceoffs, you like must
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pick up, right? Now, if you're in a points
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league with no face off wins, then obviously that's like, I'm
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not trying to absolutely get him on my team.
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He's not gonna be as valuable there.
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But if you're in any kind of bangers league and also has
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faceoff wins, that's where he's gonna have in his main value.
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Yeah, and like you said, we weren't that high on him earlier
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just because of how good the new faces on Columbus have been
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lately with all the injuries. When he like, the timing is
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perfect for him. He's coming back with a bunch of
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guys injured, so he's going to have a chance to take a lot of
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ice time. Yep, Sidney Crosby expected to
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play in the Four Nations face off, so he should probably be
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back after the break. Yeah, I think they just didn't
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want to risk him not being able to play.
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And I think he really wanted to play in the Four Nations face
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off. So no worries there with him.
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And the Penguins are to be fighting for his job.
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But I think it's kind of futile. I don't think they're even
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fighting for a spot anymore. I think the fact that they're
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like, they might sell, they definitely will.
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And the fact that, you know, the whole holding Crosby out just so
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he's healthy enough to play in the Four Nations.
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And him playing in the Four Nations, even if he's maybe like
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only at 90%, you know, it shows that they're like, OK, this is
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we care more about the Four Nations than about any quote, UN
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quote, playoff hopes this year. Like, so I think it's more
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people might have seen him day-to-day whatever before, but
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he should be back after the break.
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I think the question here is maybe who do you expect them to
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potentially trade? Ricardo Kel?
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I think Raquel has made a name for himself this year playing
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with Crosby. He can get traded.
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I think even Russ could get traded.
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I think one thing is almost for sure gone.
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It really depends on how much they're tearing it down, you
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know? I think I can seem traded.
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If they can find anyone to take him, I don't know how bad his
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contract. Is, I mean they only took didn't
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take the whole contract, they thought they took like 1/3 of it
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or something. Either way, I think he's gonna
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be a name that hasn't really succeeded in Pittsburgh so far,
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so they might look at moving him.
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Without Dallas, Can you imagine? That would be fun.
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Yeah, that'd be crazy. I just wish Crosby would be open
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minded to going to the. Colorado.
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I want to see that in my lifetime.
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Yeah. Why the formations face off is
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gonna be lit watching. Yeah, yeah.
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McKinnon. Honestly, maybe we can convince
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him then. You know Nova Scotia boys,
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right? Like.
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So cool. I think Penguins would be happy
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to go see him win the Cup somewhere else.
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I think, yeah, I think it's weird though.
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It would be weird to see him in a different.
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Direction, but it happens with every player.
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For sure. And I mean in terms of their
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like long term, like they could get great assets for him.
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I mean Sidney Crosby, you know, so it would be the right move.
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The only reason they wouldn't do it is because of reality and
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loyalty. That's it.
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It's at the end of the day, it's up to him.
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He has full control over where he ends up.
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So I think it's gonna come down to if he goes to Dubois and says
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I want to win a Cup this year, like he's going to get traded,
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but. If they're gonna.
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Hear my whole career. I think he's gonna wanna stay
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because. He's too loyal.
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Yeah, hockey players are just built that way.
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All he'd be on like his third team right now.
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Just able to hold him, Yeah. Guys like, you know, we've seen
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the the end of career. That's like, I would never get
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traded. And then they the last couple of
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years, they're bouncing around. Yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, it would be a lot of fun.
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Thatcher Demko, injured in the last game before the break.
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Doesn't seem serious though and should be back after the break.
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But always concerning for a guy with his injury history.
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If he goes down like and we're just going to be the starter
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again, yeah, this sucks. This happens to them all, like
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way too often. Yeah, I think Lincoln was
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hovering as a drop before this injury and then this kind of
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like made you question. You know, like isn't playing
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well like he's been getting. He's been getting like, I think
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less starts as it's been progressing, but still, yeah,
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Demco hurt. It just reminds you that he's
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still fragile. Still squishy?
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She gave him and Omark. Yeah.
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Yeah, so I like, I like Lankinen as a pickup.
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I think at this point, like if he keeps getting, even if he
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comes back and he keeps getting these days, at a certain point,
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they're gonna be like, that's it.
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Like we can't have him be the full starter.
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We're gonna do a 5050 and see him for the playoffs.
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You know, obviously they're fighting for a playoff spot.
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So that might, but it's not like Lincoln has been playing poorly.
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So I think I think LinkedIn could very well be a 5050
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starter for the rest of the season.
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Yeah, I and that's the thing. I mean, I really like players on
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teams who are competing for the playoff spot, like a real life
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yellow spot. So what that means to me is
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exactly what you said. Like, you know, they're gonna
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they're gonna play the best guy. But also, yeah, with his injury
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history, they're gonna have to plan.
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And one of a choice. Yeah, Yep.
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So the bigger news is his teammate Quinn Hughes, who's
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hurt and out of the Four Nations face off.
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Which I mean, I would be concerned if I'm a huge fan.
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You know, he missed a couple of games.
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We thought maybe he would just sitting out so he can play in
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the tournament and he's not playing in the tournament.
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And I think he really wanted to play, Yeah.
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I don't think this is like the All Star game where the players
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started doing anything they can to get.
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Out representing your country. This is like players really want
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to play in this and the fact that he's sitting it out, it's
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concerning because it means he's clearly not healthy yet, but at
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the same time he's getting two weeks off, so he should be good
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but but just in case, Kronik has done really well in his absence.
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So one for one substitute that I would make any lead they have a
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Quinn. Hughes.
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Yeah, you grab her neck until Hughes comes back.
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Yeah, for sure. I mean, like, this changes
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everything. If he's out, then I'll probably
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just yeah, shut Demco. Down any kind of time like he's
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not yeah, they're not going to be able to.
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Inch back into and that's why I think there's no.
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Hope I could see him coming back.
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Not fully. I could see them rushing him
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back because their entire playoff hopes.
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So if they start losing without him and he's like I'm 90% but
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not all the way there, I think they I could see them.
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Being like, just come back, yeah.
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LOL OK Barzal expected to miss six weeks which would bring him
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back for week 23. If you're not in a playoff
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position you should consider trading him, and if you're
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comfortably in the playoffs it could be a very good buy low but
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definitely don't pay too much. If you're if you're if you have
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bars out on your team and you're not in the playoffs, you need to
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try to move them right now. The question is how low do you
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do to trade him? And it just depends how bad.
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You just like anyone who I'll be happy to have on my roster like
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that. I don't see myself dropping in a
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few weeks. That would take for Barzal at
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this point, really. He's gonna play Max, like Max
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week 2324 for you. So like Max semis and finals.
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And he hasn't even been that good this season.
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So I think you got to get what you can for.
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Him, what you need to do is, is really do some shopping if you
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have Barzal, like you have to try to see what you can get as
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the best deal because it could be a lot of guys going to offer
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you kind of scrubs and just hope to pull a fast one on you and
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listen like they know you're in a desperate spot and that you
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need the production right now. So maybe there's some
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competition you can get a better deal.
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But yeah, don't, don't sell for nothing.
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But absolutely trade for a guy that's gonna be in your office.
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It's not gonna be a potential drop.
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Yeah, we're gonna think of some names like Slip Kovsky.
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I would laugh sucks but I would take that.
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Yeah, I would take Slough. Yeah, you would take Slough if
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you had. Would take Slough over Barcel.
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Yeah, if I'm a team that's outside of the playoffs right
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now and I need production and there's not a better guy on
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waivers. Yeah, it also depends how it's
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really is, but. Alternatively, you have Slav,
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would you send him for Marcel in the playoffs?
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Come through. And have a better playoff
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schedule than than Islanders do. So even though Barcelona better
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player than Slough, I'd rather as a person comfortably in the
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playoffs. I'd rather take the guy who has
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a better schedule there. Yeah.
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I'm trying to think of a name. It's what one name Jake
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Neighbors. No, no, I wouldn't do that.
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I would do Holloway though. Always too good to give.
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Yeah, that's fair. I do foreign COV just think you
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guys on. My team did it good.
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It's Broncos. Sorry.
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Yeah, sorry, I don't speak Russian.
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Should move on to the next. Yep.
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OK Brian Rust on IR. Not sure if he'll be back after
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the break. I mean, he'll be back, but not
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sure if he'll be back right after the break, yeah.
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He's never coming back. He is the squishiest of the
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squishies so but he's having a great he always does this, he
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always hovers around .9 points per game, has a great year, but
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it's just constantly jumping off IR back and forth.
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So it's a very frustrating own. There's not much you can do
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here. I think you just you're not
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going to sell him while he's on. I just hope he comes back after
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the break. Do you think they would trade?
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I'm in real life. Yeah, I think we mentioned that
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like I could see it really depends how hard they wanna go
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on the rebuild, but I don't think he's untouchable.
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Yeah, yeah. Haven Crosby have had like a
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really good thing going on for years.
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It's kind of under the radar because they had dental for a
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long time, right? And it was like the main guy.
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Yeah, my Rust has quietly been contributing there, too.
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Yeah. Yeah, but I mean just the newer
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version of Kunitz, like anyone who plays with Crosby is gonna
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be good. Yeah, no specific timeline for
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him though. Right now, but I don't think it
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was like some long term injury like he should be back at some
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point after the break. The question is it gonna be
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right after or like a week or two after?
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OK, yeah, Noah Dobson is in trade rumors.
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Not sure if he's gonna be back in time for the fantasy
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playoffs, but he could be interesting to see where he ends
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up and also gets sent the other way when he gets sent the other.
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Way I did some digging on this one and from the insiders that
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NHL who are reporting on this have kind of said that like not
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many teams were willing to confirm this so it was kind of
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just like it came out of nowhere.
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We don't know where it came and anytime this trade rumors
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involving the Islanders it's always take with a grain of salt
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because Lorello is like. He's a lockdown.
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He's a lockdown. If anything gets out, he's
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disowning you. He's never talking.
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To you? Yeah, exactly.
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So everybody's kind of worried when it comes to on this players
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and giving away trade tidbits. Whoa.
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Lou is going to come knocking down our door.
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I mean I'd love him to be AAA hab but.
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Yeah. What would you give up for Noah
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Dobson? I don't even know.
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I mean like you and something. I think if this trade happens,
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it's a big mistake on loose part, but we've seen him made
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yeah for nothing. I think any most other GM's I
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would say this is never gonna happen, but Lucy seems to make
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kind of questionable decisions. Like 93 or something.
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I know he's old but like. That oh.
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That's a bit crazy by. How old is Lou Lamoriello?
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Anyways, while they're looking this up, 82, yeah, that's a lot.
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93382 pretty old. 83 was old. That's pretty old.
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You look amazing for 93 though. Like, come on.
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Like, yeah, I. Know you say he looks bad for
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80. Two, he looks fine for 82.
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No, but so he we've seen him make questionable decisions.
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He seems to love guys who are above 30 and signing them to
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long contracts. Like the transformer?
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Resign. Resign Nelson.
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Exactly. Do you remember when he signed
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Bo Horvat and he was like, yeah, that was probably for too much
16:06
like you said that publicly, like the second it happened.
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Highlander Special like then why did you do it?
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Do this. Yes, I think this would be a big
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blunder for the Islanders, but I could see it potentially
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happening. I still if if you ask me, do I
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think it's going to happen this season?
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I'd say no, but who knows if it does happen.
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And like I said, also with his injury right, we don't even know
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if he'd be back in time for fantasy playoffs.
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But what's what's interesting is also who gets sent the other way
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right? So some whoever gets sent the
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other way would probably be another power play 1 defenseman
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and maybe not necessarily it could be some different piece,
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but whoever if it is a defence, a decent defenseman, think
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there's a very open spot. I know D'angelo's been like
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solid, but yeah, I don't think he has a lock on that power play
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by any. Means I mean he has to stop
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scoring on his own goal. Yeah, that was crazy.
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Yeah, I'd be like. Yeah, nice.
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Just like body there. But they are competing it seems.
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I mean like these is so tight. Yeah, I don't use this.
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So tight. Yeah, me neither.
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I don't feel very good, but they used to such like the West is
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pretty clear at this point, almost.
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But the East? Like who?
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I can see this hot streak like convincing you that their
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playoff team and then he becomes like a buyer for this.
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Because you want to be a playoff team right there, close enough.
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He's gonna try to make it happen.
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Yeah, but I think it's just a huge mistake long term for this
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team. I think that's why they're just
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constantly not great. Yeah.
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It's heroin prevents them from ever getting like a top five
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pick. So it's kind of like the ABS
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with Carrie Price. He always sucked, but he's too
17:31
good to finish in the bottom, so you just admit.
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It hoping he gets hurt and you can just put him on LTIR or.
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Something, yeah. Yeah, allow Mark Stone.
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Yeah, OK. And Mikko Rantanen will be back
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after the Four Nations break. Hopefully, the tournament will
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give him time to build chemistry with Aho.
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Yeah. I don't.
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Know did you see left like he was injured for a game and the
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Carolina scored seven goals. That's wild crazy.
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Obviously this guy is unreal. We've talked about him like
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nonstop since the trade. Jakey does not a big fan me and
18:02
Kevin. Do you think he's got?
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More yeah, me and Kevin are bigger fans, you know, I think
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he's still gonna be a star, but he can really does need to
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figure it out with the with the canes.
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I think something interesting though not necessarily for like
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fancier for this year, but if he doesn't figure it out with them
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this year, I could see him not resigning there.
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I mean, I already think they need to prove to him.
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Why it's worth Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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So. I would love if he doesn't
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resign there. Yeah, I would love to see where
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he goes, that that's it always, always in our minds.
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Like maybe he'll. Come to Montreal.
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This is horrible for him cause he wasn't signing with Colorado
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cause what what did he want like 14 million or something crazy
18:37
but this is. Not good, like he was willing to
18:39
take a steep discount and never asked him or something.
18:41
Yeah. I mean, I don't know what to
18:43
believe, Right. Like, I mean, obviously he's
18:44
gonna say that. Yeah, I think it's a bit of a
18:47
bit of truth from both. I think they were far apart, but
18:50
I think he was probably willing to take less than 14 mil, but
18:53
not as low as Colorado wanted. So Colorado's like, oh, he was
18:55
demanding this much and he's like, I was willing to take a
18:57
cut. Anyways, Long story short, he's
18:59
going to be backs and healthy, which is nice and should give
19:02
him some time to work with Aho bit more.
19:04
I expect him to be closer to the player he was on Colorado, but
19:07
not necessarily as good. Yeah, I mean, we, we spoke about
19:11
miko ampleness. We talked about his apple.
19:17
We spoken about him an ample amount, OK, and.
19:21
Do you have a pet with someone to use Lord Ample in this
19:23
podcast or? Something I could either confirm
19:25
nor deny. Those forced use of that word
19:27
I've ever. Seen.
19:28
Oh yeah, It came out as ampleness, Yeah.
19:32
Wait, so. So yeah. 2 words at the same
19:34
time and it just came out like that.
19:35
Yeah, but I think. You're saying we've talked about
19:38
it enough and let's move on. No, just say you know what to
19:42
expect. He's better than this.
19:43
But how high is the ceiling on this team?
19:45
We don't know yet. It's still a buy low like you.
19:48
You made them your by low last week.
19:50
Realistic. Rantanen.
19:53
What do you mean yeah OHS obviously, but I still think you
19:57
could like I don't know I mean it's a good time to buy him, but
20:01
I I don't think it's gonna be much more over a point per game.
20:03
But the .6 or whatever pace is not good at all.
20:07
We'll see. We'll see.
20:08
I'm curious to see though. That would be very interesting,
20:11
Josh, as a case study, especially because you're like
20:13
you have the coach theory is if they do super well this
20:17
tournament and then suck with Rod, like suck whatever, not be
20:21
very good offensively like that really just.
20:23
Confirms your theory. Would even consider firing Rod.
20:26
No, not because he's like bad. It's just like at certain point
20:30
you've taken them as far as you could, right?
20:32
Like if you get eliminated in the second round like five years
20:34
in a row, at some point, it's just like, OK, maybe it.
20:37
Does so much for that team and that organization is just too
20:40
much respect and like it. It could be the right move to
20:43
get rid of him, but I don't think they ever.
20:45
Pull the Yeah, it's tough. He's not good for star players,
20:47
but John Cooper is the best for star players.
20:50
Is the anti John Cooper because he still has success.
20:53
But anyway, no, I don't think that would happen.
20:54
But it's a. Fairpoint, but John Cooper is
20:56
also a great. Coach, Yeah, he's the best.
20:59
Yes. OK, that wraps up the tidbits.
21:01
Let's move on to the Would you rather?
21:03
So would you Kidding. Wow, that was crazy.
21:08
Yeah. So would you rather have you
21:12
taken a look at these? Yeah.
21:13
I'm looking at it right now. Alright get ready to compare but
21:18
I tried to compare guys. My team for this episode is guys
21:23
with good playoff schedules. So trying to compare, I feel
21:28
like it's easy when it's good versus.
21:29
Bad. Yeah, that's.
21:30
A lot. So let's compare good playoff
21:32
schedules and the first one is maybe the toughest 1 for me and
21:37
it's Jason Robertson versus Tage Thompson rest of season.
21:42
This is a really good one. This is They're so crazy close.
21:45
I'm looking at their stats right now.
21:47
First of all, last 30 days, they've both been absolutely
21:49
unreal. So you picked two really guys
21:51
who are at the their peak, Like they're both not gonna be doing
21:55
this well for the rest of the season.
21:56
They're gonna be super good, but not this good.
21:58
Like Thompson point per game, Thompson at 1.4 over the past
22:01
month and Robertson at 1.21. Like, I don't think either of
22:04
them is gonna finish the season with that high of a points per
22:06
game. But but yeah, I know.
22:07
They're both unreal, I think. I think I gotta go with
22:13
Robertson on this one, which is this is really tough.
22:16
I think could go either way. I'm really.
22:19
And normally it would be tagged for me, no question.
22:21
Yeah, the main reason that I'm leaning Robertson is he's
22:23
actually shooting more than Tage.
22:25
Yeah, and that's that reliable to stick.
22:27
Like we know Tage is always going to shoot over three.
22:30
Yeras Robertson has been below 2 at points this season.
22:33
I just two and three most of the season.
22:35
I trust the shots more from Thompson, but I trust the points
22:38
more from Robertson. I trust Dallas as a team more
22:41
than Buffalo. I think Buffalo can go an entire
22:43
week without scoring a goal and be like up classic Buffalo, you
22:45
know? Yeah.
22:46
Whereas Dallas is gonna be one of the best teams in the.
22:49
League also to note that page over the last month, 1.4 points
22:52
per game and 0.1 power play points yeah that's that's that's
22:56
just going to show is that 1.3 points he has more points might
22:59
be 5 points and then Robertson has points.
23:04
Right. Over the last month, yeah,
23:06
exactly. So obviously like that's which
23:09
is like the opposite of what we usually look at positive.
23:11
Yeah, exactly. But at some point you have to be
23:14
like, OK, maybe they're probably just isn't good.
23:16
And, you know, there's also like, possible trades coming in,
23:19
you know, like his cousins gonna leave.
23:20
How does that affect them? Yeah, I know.
23:22
I don't think Cousins is online or power play 1, so maybe it's
23:24
not that big of an effect. But I think I'm thinking I'm
23:27
gonna go with Robertson. But I think this is like
23:30
probably the closest one we've had all season, I think.
23:32
Yeah, this is wild, actually. So on the one hand, Buffalo is
23:35
not a playoff team and there's like a slight chance that they
23:38
shut down Thompson. And not the last week being Week
23:41
24, but Week 25 like the last. Real week, they'll shut them
23:46
down. Yeah, but even sometimes they
23:49
just kind of like do that. But I doubt they do that.
23:51
It's usually for teams who are like showings for the playoffs
23:53
as opposed to teams whatever. On the other hand, Buffalo let's
23:56
in a lot more goals and they have to score more if they want
23:59
to win games, right? I mean.
24:01
Dallas don't win what? Yeah, I know, I know.
24:04
But Dallas is 180, two goals for this season, 139 against Buffalo
24:09
has 171, four. So you know, only like 11 goals
24:14
difference 4 but 185 goals against as opposed to 139.
24:18
So like they get scored on a lot and they need to score more to
24:22
win. So I'm probably going to give
24:24
the edge to Tage because the shots are there and you're right
24:27
with a positive regression for the power lights.
24:29
So close though. Wow, wow, wow, wow.
24:31
I I think I mean, I'm going to be the deal breaker here, but I
24:36
think I would lean tage. I know, I'm sorry.
24:40
Dang, I just feel like he's when I look at him on the ice, he's
24:44
just like he's like he's tall, he's the talent, he's the
24:48
Talisman for Buffalo, like there's nobody else has near his
24:50
level, right. So like, everything's gonna run
24:52
through him and he's their best player besides Dalene.
24:56
So I think I bank on that. I bank on the power play getting
25:00
a little better. But he can just go for three or
25:02
four points like any any given night where I know Robinson
25:06
could do that too, but it feels harder.
25:08
I don't know. Yeah, this one was stressful.
25:10
Yeah. Yeah, I like it.
25:13
So Tage, Kevin. Yeah, Tage.
25:15
OK, I'm not on the losing side. All right, next one.
25:19
Similar vibe I feel like, but Matt Duchene versus Kevin Fiala.
25:24
OK, so this one felt easier to me at first glance, but like I'm
25:29
looking into it and I know Josh has his answer.
25:31
Probably locked and loaded. Yeah, I do.
25:33
But OK, you go first. I think this is an easy Fiala, I
25:38
think quite easy. I think the shots on goal is the
25:41
biggest difference to me. And also like you look at
25:45
Dallas's team and kind of the same reason you guys were saying
25:47
Tage over Robertson, where Tage is the guy on Buffalo.
25:50
And Robertson, like he's pretty much he's the guy on Dallas.
25:53
But Dallas is so spread out, you know, Duchene is not the guy on
25:55
Dallas. He's been great.
25:56
He's having an amazing season, but he's probably like third or
25:59
fourth on that list of like, who's the guy on ego Robertson?
26:02
You go Johnston, you know, hence then Duchane, like #4 he when
26:06
he's gonna healthy, he's above Duchene, you know, yeah, he's
26:08
not even a lock on power play one.
26:09
I could see Ben flipping him like if, if ever their power
26:11
play goes cold, you know, like see Ben taking his spot back on
26:14
power play 1. So I think he's just much less
26:16
the guy and he's playing insane lately.
26:18
And even with him playing at his peak, he's at 1.9 shots per
26:22
game, which is very underwhelming.
26:24
And he's also at .43 power play points per game, which is like
26:27
super regression candidate, right?
26:28
Whereas you look at Fiala, who had a really brutal first half
26:31
of the season, as is classic for Fiala.
26:34
Yeah, he's known as second-half Fiala for a reason.
26:36
Last month he's a point per game and 3.77 shots.
26:40
He had like two games over the past month.
26:41
We had ten shots on goal. Anyone who does that, I'm
26:44
immediately like, this is a guy I need to own on my team.
26:46
Yeah, so the shots are insane. He's averaging .9 hits over the
26:50
past month. I don't.
26:51
I don't expect that to. Whipped cream on top.
26:53
You know, yeah, exactly. That's just like a cherry on
26:55
top, so. Or some whipped cream.
26:57
Yeah, exactly. And but I think those.
27:00
Guys. Yeah, the final thing to that
27:02
really cements the field for me is actually I've watched some of
27:06
these games and the goals he scoring aren't these like fluky
27:08
like bounce in these chains? Yeah, I haven't actually seen
27:12
these goals are unreal. Like he's sniping these and he's
27:15
like you could tell he's in the zone.
27:16
He's the guy. He's getting way.
27:18
He's getting more ice time now. Like I think to me this is an
27:21
easy Fiala. Tough.
27:22
Yeah, I I get it. Um, I'm probably gonna go with
27:26
Viola too, because at least the floor is there with the shots.
27:30
Do I think he's necessarily going to score more points than
27:32
Duchane? No, but, and yeah, I know I'm
27:38
still gonna go with him because it's not like she's face off
27:41
wins, which are also kind of a nice whipped cream filled cherry
27:43
on top there is there is the fact that he's off position,
27:47
still getting the face offs. But yeah, I just think that
27:51
field is a bit more of a rare commodity with 3.5 plus shots
27:55
over the past 30 days. And yeah, I'm just going to go
27:59
with him close, though, another good one.
28:02
The main one of the main reasons why I wanted to put this as a
28:06
would you rather because I'm also going to go Fiala, but
28:09
nice. I think if you look at Duchene
28:12
specifically, once they traded for Gravlin, his shot volume has
28:17
definitely gone up and I think it's just like the different how
28:20
the line combo works. His shooting volume has been
28:23
closer to like mid twos closer to three in the last like 2
28:26
weeks since the trade. So just want something to
28:29
monitor. Maybe his shot volume does
28:32
increase over the rest of the season and isn't just like 1 or
28:35
1.5. Because I think he's like, what
28:37
a great player. And I think Dallas, to win the
28:39
Cup, will need to get the best out of him, right?
28:41
Yeah. So I think he can have a large
28:44
part in the team for the rest of the season.
28:46
I think he's better than Ben at this point.
28:49
So I I bank on him being in the P1 over over Ben.
28:53
But yeah, I think Fiala has more of like a set and forget kind of
28:57
like deployment there and has a higher ceiling, especially in
29:01
shots. So I think that's where I'm
29:03
leaning as well. Yeah.
29:04
All right, next one little bit of lower stakes, but still fun
29:07
in my opinion. But clothes guru or Marco Rossi?
29:11
So these are both good playoff schedules.
29:14
They have the same good playoff. Schedule.
29:16
Is a good one. They're very, very similar, like
29:19
they're points almost identical, PowerPoint almost identical,
29:22
their shots same, hits, blocks same.
29:24
The one difference is Jerry wins more face offs, but I think
29:27
that's pretty ministration and multi position.
29:29
But I think that's like more minor when comparing, but that
29:32
is definitely A plus. I think the big thing is who is
29:35
more likely to keep their power play one spot.
29:38
Rossy's got that spot until Kaprizov comes back.
29:40
Then he's bumped off and Kaprizov comes back in five
29:45
weeks, 4-5 weeks. So.
29:49
So Rossi has a lock on power play one until then, but that is
29:53
his due date. Or as Guru has power play one,
29:56
it's kind of more wishy washy, you know, because when Norris
29:59
comes back, she was still on power play one over Norris and
30:02
Norris is super squishy. So even if he comes back and
30:04
takes it, he could get injured again.
30:06
So I'd say Ross has a stronger hold on power play one until cap
30:10
is back, but then he's guaranteed off it.
30:12
Whereas Guru has kind of like an iffy hold on power play one, but
30:15
it's there's no end date like specific end date insight.
30:19
Who gets more points until the fantasy playoffs?
30:22
Until the playoffs, I think my choice on this is as Shirou over
30:26
Rossi. Yeah, I've been very impressed
30:28
with Rossi this year. I'm Giroud overall, also I.
30:33
Don't know he's on your team? No, but no, like like I was
30:36
literally just gonna say that it's been frustrating owning him
30:39
at times, especially because. Category coverage has definitely
30:42
suffered this year compared to previous years is basically just
30:45
face off wins and that's. It the hits are up, but like I'm
30:48
averaging around 1, which is not good, but it's nice.
30:52
It's just why can't he shoot twice?
30:54
Yeah, you know, like you have 60 minutes, just two.
30:58
Times. It is crazy.
30:59
For the love of God, but I do like the multi position and 8
31:04
1/2 plus face offs on the season.
31:06
So that's pretty great. And it's also picked up
31:09
recently, especially the playoffs, the hits, the
31:12
faceoffs. If you look on the season 0.84
31:16
points she reads 0.66. So just goes to show that I
31:20
think, I think Rossi does have more of a offensive touch to
31:24
him. Yeah.
31:26
But is there a big enough difference overall for that to
31:29
make a difference come playoff time and the power play
31:32
deployment? I don't know, I think gonna face
31:35
off slowly. It's it's not an easy Giroud,
31:38
but it's a clear Giroud non faceoffs league.
31:40
It's a much more difficult. Conversations you get if Giroud
31:44
ends up for whatever reason, not on that P1.
31:46
I think he's significantly worse than Rossi.
31:47
Yeah, I agree. So that's the thing I will say
31:50
Rossi not on power play one is still a very valuable player.
31:53
Yeah, Shirou not on power play one I think is like pretty bad.
31:57
Like I think he's he. I mean, you said it was tough to
31:59
own him for some parts, but lately he's been great.
32:01
And I think that directly corresponds to his time on power
32:03
play one. That's fair.
32:05
OK, so Jeru all around though at the moment.
32:09
I I trust this deployment more than Rossi?
32:11
I think so, yeah. OK.
32:14
Alright, next one. This is a fun one.
32:18
Thomas Harley versus Lane Hudson, rest of season.
32:23
Both PP1 defensemen. Wow, as of right now, OK, um,
32:30
hardly getting that high skinning spot Lane Hudson kind
32:33
of in the cold street right now as the Habs are completely in
32:36
the cold streak. But we know we see what Lane can
32:38
do. He's so fun to watch.
32:40
Harley honestly as a when he has the P1 deployment, he becomes
32:44
extremely fantasy relevant. So what are you choosing
32:48
basically maybe comes back in the playoffs?
32:51
I just think that Harley's back categories and stuff are a
32:56
little bit more reliable, right? So with the two blocks compared
33:00
to lanes 1.43 over the last two weeks.
33:02
Other than that, they're not great back category defensive in
33:05
anyways. Dallas is just so much better.
33:10
You know that's what it is. And like the Habs are streaky
33:14
and he's a rookie, so he's streaky.
33:16
So if you're looking for a reliability Harley, if you're
33:20
looking for the Hail Mary lane, but I think I'm just going to go
33:23
hardly. Overly performing right now, if
33:25
you look at the last two weeks since he got that P1 spot, he's
33:27
performing at what we expected lane to do.
33:29
Pretty much. Pretty much same stats I would.
33:32
Say, but like that's when did we expect Lean to do this?
33:35
I mean, this is what we thought line ceiling would be, right?
33:37
Hovering around per game. Like really good on the power
33:39
play, you know, third of his points coming from there.
33:40
Yeah, blocking and shooting just a little bit.
33:43
No hits. Yeah.
33:45
They kind of feel like a similar archetype of.
33:47
Player No They. Are I'm I'm personally, I think
33:50
rest of the season I'm going hardly.
33:51
Yeah. So I think I I rely on the
33:54
Dallas team being good. He's like the main defenseman
33:58
that's there for attacking capabilities.
34:01
I wanna say Elaine though, because it's so much more fun.
34:03
But like I think in real life lanes better defenseman as of
34:07
right now, but if I wanted to build a power play, but as a
34:11
whole or not as good as Dallas. No, that's it.
34:13
That's why I give the edge to Harley.
34:15
It just depends. If you know, Hardy gets you all
34:16
the way and he doesn't play for, he loses that power play spot
34:19
for the semifinals and finals. I mean, that's a big deal.
34:21
So you gotta take that into account, yeah.
34:24
I think I'm actually gonna go against the grain on this one
34:27
and choose Hudson. So the way I see it, both of
34:30
them are pretty garbage out back at.
34:32
So I'm not looking at A2 versus a 1.4 blocks and.
34:35
Let me two blocks is not nothing.
34:37
Versus 1.4 it's like .6%. I don't think that's a big
34:39
difference. Like they have a .1 hits
34:41
difference shoots like .2 more, but whatever I I look at these
34:46
back cats comparison and I see neither of them as a good back
34:49
cats guy. So I'm taking that out of the
34:51
equation. Who's gonna get more points in
34:53
power play points? Dallas is obviously a better
34:55
team than Montreal. Not even close.
34:57
There's obviously the looming threat of he's going and coming
35:00
back, but it seems like he's pretty much shut down until.
35:02
The playoffs for defenceman. So yeah, they may trade for the
35:06
fence. There's that looming threat.
35:07
But even that, you know, I'm not considering too much.
35:09
One thing I am considering is I'm thinking specifically who's
35:12
going to be better come playoff time.
35:13
They both have the same schedule of 344 in weeks 22 to 2024.
35:17
So they get the same amount of games played.
35:20
But I think one thing that I like about teams that are not
35:25
great is when you get late into the season, like it's going to
35:29
be around fantasy playoffs, that's when they really just let
35:31
their young guys kind of go nuts and really develop.
35:34
So I love grabbing these San Jose Sharks, Chicago Blackhawks,
35:38
like Habs guys like towards the end of the season because I
35:41
think that's really when they pop off.
35:42
That's the reason, you know, that's reason I'm holding on to
35:44
slap for so long. You know, it's like they they
35:46
have a great schedule and like once they kind of officially
35:49
give up on playoffs, they empty the cupboard at the at the trade
35:52
deadline and sell all their guys on expiring deals.
35:54
Yeah, that just gives more ice time for these young guys to
35:56
kind of play around and have fun without the stress of actually,
35:58
you know, trying to win. So for that reason, I'm going
36:02
with the with Hudson. So you say you you're mean.
36:05
You may think a loss for the next like 3 or 4.
36:06
Weeks. But I think when it comes to the
36:07
playoffs, those weeks, I think Hudson's gonna be better and I
36:09
think that's where I care more. It's pretty convincing.
36:13
It's a good argument. Yeah, it is.
36:15
It is. I'm gonna stick with Harley, but
36:18
it's a good one. I like this next one too.
36:20
Alright, last one goalie time. Dustin Wolf versus USC Saros the
36:27
Juice rest of season Calgary, Nashville starting goalies.
36:33
What do you think? I'm really happy that I held on
36:38
to Freddie over Dustin Wolf, or that's the first thing I want to
36:41
say. Yeah.
36:42
Are you thrilled? Yeah, I'm doing great now.
36:44
I really am. Misery.
36:47
He's been hoarded all season. Yeah, for nothing.
36:50
For nothing. Anyway, League specific stuff.
36:54
Listeners don't have to worry about that, thankfully.
36:56
Anywho, moving on. Hmm, crazy that this is even a
37:01
question almost. You know, yeah, like crazy.
37:03
I mean, Staros was probably a top five drafted goalie in your
37:06
league, rightfully so. OK, since the cheeky's not
37:11
going, I'll I'll jump in and I'm actually gonna go with Wolf over
37:16
sorrows. And I think this is a crazy pic
37:18
because normally I would 100% choose the, you know, tried and
37:21
true guy, the top five fantasy asset over like the young
37:23
rookie, you know, But I think the main thing is where those
37:26
teams are in the standings and Calgary is fighting for a
37:29
playoff spot. You know, they're going to be
37:30
giving it their all every game and Nashville is bottom of the
37:33
league and I've been watching their games lately.
37:35
They are so bad. Like, they're really, like, even
37:37
the games they win, it's like A5 four-game or 65 game, you know,
37:40
like, they played the Sharks twice and won both games, like,
37:42
7-6. Yeah.
37:43
Like, if you can't get a good performance out of your goalie
37:46
against the San Jose Sharks, then you're not gonna get a good
37:48
performance out of your goal, you know?
37:49
So I think that already on the season, Wolf has better stats
37:54
and just where the team is going to be at the time and where they
37:56
are now. I think I gotta go with Wolf.
38:00
Yeah, I'm going with Wolf as well.
38:05
I think. I think now Calgary is really in
38:07
a in a cemented kind of in the playoff race as opposed to what
38:12
Josh thought for the whole season.
38:13
I still think they're gonna make it, but I'm impressed they've
38:16
hung around this. Long I think Nashville just like
38:19
too inconsistent at this time. Even though they've really been
38:21
popping off lately offensively, they've still letting in a lot
38:26
of goals and we've seen Syros have like arguably the worst
38:28
season this year. So I think Wolf has only been
38:32
getting better. I've heard a lot of things of
38:34
the dressing room, really trusting the kid and really
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being like whenever he's in net we have a chance to win type of
38:39
vibe, which is really impressive.
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So I think as this thing goes on, I think he gets better and I
38:45
take him over Saros. So probably make that trade if
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you have zeros. I think you can get both plus
38:50
probably. Yeah, I agree actually.
38:52
So that's part of it for sure. I'm going to go with Wolf as
38:56
well because of both things that you said, the playoff race is
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really meaningful. One thing is like, how does
39:03
Nashville just give up after all the stuff they did to try to be
39:06
good this year? You know what I mean?
39:08
Like, how do they like properly give up?
39:10
Does that mean they're gonna compete till the end or does it
39:13
mean they're just gonna like. They're gonna compete until they
39:15
have no choice. They spend money on free agents.
39:17
They're not. I think, but they literally are
39:19
not. They don't have a chance at
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playoffs. Like even if they go on some
39:23
crazy winning streak, they're just they're cooked.
39:26
Look at the standing. Very, very unlikely.
39:28
I mean, they're, they're what, below San Jose or they're
39:31
around? San Jose, Chicago.
39:32
So like. They're near Chicago, I think.
39:35
Yeah, so there you would Basically third worst in the
39:38
entire Western Conference. They have 45 points on the
39:41
season. The Blackhawks have 41, so.
39:44
In the playoffs, they're not even fighting for the playoffs.
39:46
Yeah, so I mean, that's it though.
39:48
I just like, don't know. Like, yes, I think Wolf makes
39:50
more sense. They're going to give him like
39:51
more of the timeshare and everything, but they're just not
39:54
gonna place arrows as much like. Play.
39:56
I'm just gonna get bad, bad quality.
39:58
Starts. Yeah, yeah.
39:59
There's They're nine points behind the Anaheim Ducks.
40:04
Is it to say? This is true.
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OK, Yeah. So I'm going to go with Wolf as
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well. But this is the most shocking
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one of all of them, I think. How the mighty have fallen.
40:16
Yeah. Literally that's why you go 0
40:18
goalie strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:21
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