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- 1:15What happens when you finally look beyond what you can see?
- 1:18We're going to be asking this question a lot more on today's episode of Systematic Ecology.
- 1:21We are the priests of the Geeks.
- 1:22I'm your host, Christian Ashley, discussing the Lion King one and a half.
- 1:25And I said we because it's not just me.
- 1:27I'm also joined by the wonderful Alex Matthews.
- 1:29How's it going, Alex?
- 1:30Hello.
- 1:30It's going good.
- 1:31How you doing?
- 1:32I'm doing all right.
- 1:33It's a fun day.
- 1:34I rewatched this film last night and I'm feeling pretty good.
- 1:38That's good.
- 1:39So.
- 1:40So, Alex, we have just to drive in to see a direct to DVD sequel to a Disney film.
- 1:47Somehow.
- 1:48What is your first reaction or the first thing you want to say after seeing this film?
- 1:55What was my first reaction?
- 1:56It's been a long time since my first reaction, but I remember really liking it and I thought it was really funny.
- 2:04I think it's up there as one of my favorite movies, honestly.
- 2:09Okay.
- 2:09Okay.
- 2:09See, I rewatched it last night and I don't know, it just wasn't as funny this time around.
- 2:15I don't know if I'm just older and it's not.
- 2:17Not meant for me anymore, but, like, it's still good, don't get me wrong.
- 2:20But I don't know, it just didn't have the I.
- 2:23Whatever nostalgia I had for it.
- 2:24And I'm still like, I'm ready to.
- 2:27I'm in it to win it for this one.
- 2:28But it's like, oh, man, I remember the jokes landing way better last time.
- 2:32Just might be in a different phase of life maybe.
- 2:34So I'm getting shocked looks shocked.
- 2:36Looks of.
- 2:36Of hatred.
- 2:37Your hatred directed my way.
- 2:40There is just shock and disbelief.
- 2:43I know.
- 2:44I'm just shooting up.
- 2:45Make it.
- 2:46Make it seem like that.
- 2:47No, no.
- 2:48It's genuine looks of shock.
- 2:49So, Alex, as you're dealing with this shock, can you introduce what the movie is, why you picked it out of the list of what we had earlier and.
- 2:58Yeah, just.
- 2:59Anything else you want to say?
- 3:01Well, this movie is bit.
- 3:02Well, it's Lion King one and a half.
- 3:05So basically it's like the story in between the first and the second movie.
- 3:08And from what I remember, I think it's kind of like how Pumbaa and Timba.
- 3:13Nope, Timon met.
- 3:15There you go.
- 3:16And like a little bit of their childhoods and some like, BTs of what they were doing behind the scenes with the main.
- 3:25With the first movie, I think.
- 3:27Yes, yes.
- 3:29That's Basically how it is.
- 3:30What was the rest of your question?
- 3:32Yeah, so, like, why.
- 3:33Why did you pick this one, like, out of.
- 3:35Out of the list that we assembled, why this one?
- 3:37Oh, because this one was my favorite of all of them there.
- 3:40Funny story.
- 3:42Funny story.
- 3:42There was one time I was studying with my roommate for exam week, and she was like, I like to put on movies on mute when I study because it helps her focus or something.
- 3:54I don't know.
- 3:56So she put on this movie in mute.
- 3:58Right.
- 3:59But I've seen this movie, like, plenty of times beforehand.
- 4:02So this is also when I first probably started discovering maybe I have adhd.
- 4:06Because when she put that movie on, I didn't study a thing.
- 4:10Instead, I just watched the entire movie and mute because I knew exactly everything they were saying.
- 4:17It's always good for roommates.
- 4:18Help each other out like that.
- 4:19Oh, yeah, yeah.
- 4:23That's wonderful.
- 4:24Yeah.
- 4:25This.
- 4:25This is a very fun movie.
- 4:27You know, if the Lion King is Hamlet, if we're going Shakespeare, then this is definitely.
- 4:32Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead.
- 4:34If you've ever done that play.
- 4:37It is.
- 4:38It's pretty much spot on.
- 4:39Timon and Pumbaa fill those roles really well.
- 4:44It is a fun movie.
- 4:45I have issues.
- 4:46We'll get there.
- 4:46But at the end of the day, I think this was a great pick because, I mean, it's one of the came in at time in the Disney era, as it were, of sending out direct to video sequels of
- 4:58everything.
- 4:58But this is like both a prequel and an intercool, which makes it even more fascinating to study because, yeah, I know those scenes from Lion King, but also here we get some stories for how some of those things
- 5:09happen in the Lion King.
- 5:10Yeah.
- 5:10You know, in the midst of I just want to be king, like knocking what was one of the giraffes over or something like that.
- 5:16And that causes everyone to fall down like it does in the original film.
- 5:19Like, it's funny stuff like that that brings a certain charm to this film.
- 5:24So, Alex, were you introduced to.
- 5:26Same way I was, you know, back in the day when these home releases were coming out to the movie.
- 5:30Oh, yeah, yeah, I think so.
- 5:32Yeah.
- 5:33Because I think, yes, we're gonna say yes.
- 5:37Yeah, because we got all the different sequels to Aladdin, like Return of Jafar, King of thieves, like Bambi 2, the Cinderella sequels, like, all that time.
- 5:46It's kind of.
- 5:47It's one of those contested parts of, like, Disney history of like, is it worth making a sequel if you're not going to put it in theaters?
- 5:54Is it?
- 5:55Or is it just.
- 5:55Some people would call it slop because it's just straight to video.
- 5:58I wouldn't agree necessarily, but I understand where they're kind of coming from.
- 6:02So this was a very experimental one that, like, kids, a lot of these jokes just aren't going to go.
- 6:07They're not going to understand them.
- 6:08And that's.
- 6:09That's part of the fun, too, is that Disney has always done things where adults can get things kids can get, things that, like, there's some things that I definitely missed as a kid that I can see more now.
- 6:17Like, I hadn't read Rosen France and Gildan Stern were dead.
- 6:20Are dead when I was a kid.
- 6:22But now I can appreciate that more now.
- 6:24So in regards to the film itself, Alex, like, what do you love?
- 6:27Is there anything about it you don't love?
- 6:29Hmm.
- 6:30I don't think there's anything about it that I don't love.
- 6:33Okay, well, so it's good.
- 6:35Accentuate the positive.
- 6:36What do you love about it?
- 6:37Yeah, I like that we got a backstory for Timon and Pumbaa and how they became the besties that they are that we see.
- 6:47I appreciate the, like, the comedy they put in there throughout the movie.
- 6:51I mean, the first movie was, like, still kind of funny, but it was also kind of serious.
- 6:55This movie is more comedic, in my opinion.
- 6:59Yes.
- 6:59And I liked the.
- 7:01Like I said before, like, the things in the background that they did that affected, like, the main story and how we saw that in this movie, too.
- 7:08So.
- 7:09Yeah.
- 7:10Yeah, that's what I liked about it.
- 7:12Yeah, I'm with you there with the backstory thing.
- 7:14Like, getting Timon's story is a lot of fun.
- 7:18Like, he doesn't fit in with the rest of the meerkats.
- 7:21He's not really, like, a goofball, but more like he can't focus the same way they do.
- 7:25They're on the constant panic state of, oh, no, we can be eaten any second now.
- 7:30So we're going to dig these tunnels just so we can avoid being eaten.
- 7:33So we can dig tunnels, as he kind of points out, and showing, like, you know, his mother, his uncle.
- 7:39And this very interesting idea of, like, kind of making meerkats Jewish, really, in a sense, with how they talk to each other, the words that they use.
- 7:48A lot of mute issues thrown in there.
- 7:50I thought that because of that for years that Nathan Lane was Jewish, but I just looked it up earlier, and apparently he's not.
- 7:55So I thought that was like, an actor.
- 7:57Shout out as it were.
- 7:58But, no, I think it was just more like a design decision.
- 8:00It's like, yeah, we'll just make him Yiddish.
- 8:01Sure, that works.
- 8:04Then Pumbaa.
- 8:04I wish they had focused a little bit more on him.
- 8:06But, like, we knew from the first film, like, why.
- 8:09You know, because he smells so much and that he didn't get along.
- 8:12So we didn't really get to see, like, you know, his family or anything like that.
- 8:15But maybe that would have taken too long.
- 8:17Yeah.
- 8:18I love how, you know, they insert themselves into certain things, you know, in the original film, to explain, oh, this is why they're bowing.
- 8:25I'm not big on how that's done, but I'm big on why they do it, like a film wise.
- 8:29Because my big thing, it's in the original film, too.
- 8:32I don't do fart jokes.
- 8:33I don't do scatological humor.
- 8:35It just does nothing for me.
- 8:36So there was a lot of it in this film.
- 8:38And even as a kid, I was like, yeah, whatever.
- 8:40So I think they did a little too much.
- 8:42But I will say one more thing I do really love is the confrontation scene with the hyenas at the very end where they're trying to stall for time.
- 8:50And Timon is just like.
- 8:52Well, proposes to.
- 8:54What was it?
- 8:55Shinzi, the female hyena.
- 8:57Just to, like, buy a couple of seconds.
- 8:59It's like, well, obviously.
- 9:00No, but it's one of those, well, I gotta figure out something.
- 9:03I gotta waste time so we can dig these tunnels underneath them.
- 9:06Like, yeah, like.
- 9:08Like I say, this is a fun film.
- 9:10It's, in my opinion, a heavily flawed film.
- 9:12But if you get great enjoyment out of this, I would never tell you you're wrong.
- 9:18So, you know, Alex, we've been doing this whole thing about the faces behind us this entire time, focusing on that a little in the drive in as well.
- 9:24Like, how do you think that this plays into our yearly theme?
- 9:28Well, I think because it high.
- 9:30Because I feel like Timon and Tumba are, like, a favorite duo for many people in the Disney universe.
- 9:38So the fact that this movie is, like, being basically their backstory, I think.
- 9:44I think we get enough of their backstory in the original film where we don't need it there.
- 9:48And this is, like, a welcome addition.
- 9:50Like, yeah, you don't need to watch this movie when the original exists.
- 9:54But, like, it does enhance a little bit of where they came from, why they make the decisions, why.
- 9:58Why is Timon seeking that hakuna matata that, you know, rafiki kind of being Like a stealth mentor in this film.
- 10:04And I love Rafiki in this film.
- 10:06I should have added that earlier.
- 10:07Like, he's just like that perfect, wise sage who's gonna screw around with you and, you know, mess with you a little bit and sometimes get you to.
- 10:15Get you to teach yourself without him saying anything, which is pretty funny.
- 10:20So we get some nice things there.
- 10:21But, like, someone, like, not fitting in with this, you know, meerkat society, wanting peace and rest and not having to worry constantly about being eaten by hyenas or any other predator.
- 10:31Like, so, of course, he seeks the perfect, lush place he finds with a lunch, bunch of bugs with his newfound friend that takes a little while to get, you know, friendly with.
- 10:38But, you know, they become pals.
- 10:40And, of course, Simba is involved with that.
- 10:42So, like, kind of enhances how they're able to care for Simba, you know, as, you know, basically brothers, in a sense, in that mix.
- 10:51I think it does a well enough job of, like, establishing so.
- 10:54Well, speaking of, like, their friendship, their brotherhood, like, how does this film build up that friendship between Timon and Pumbaa?
- 11:04Well, because you see, like, throughout the movie they're basically at a movie theater watching their memories or something.
- 11:11Like, their backstory.
- 11:12It's like a DVD commentary.
- 11:13Yeah.
- 11:14Yeah.
- 11:14They're.
- 11:14Yes, because they're really talking about the first movie, but not sort of.
- 11:18They are, but they're filling in, like, little plot holes that didn't really need to be filled in, weren't really noticeable in the first movie.
- 11:26But they're filling it in anyway.
- 11:28It's a little meta.
- 11:29Yeah.
- 11:30And wasn't there at one point they had, like, a disagreement.
- 11:34They had disagreement.
- 11:35I think one of them left it.
- 11:37I can't remember what it was.
- 11:38And then they came back.
- 11:39Yeah.
- 11:39I think they know they paused the movie at one point.
- 11:41I remember that.
- 11:42So that one can go, like, get refreshments or something like that.
- 11:45Yeah, I just watched this last night.
- 11:46I should remember.
- 11:48But in the film itself, they do have an argument when, you know, Simba's going off, you know, to Pride Rock.
- 11:55And Timon's like, I'm not leaving this behind.
- 11:57Hakuna matata, man.
- 11:58And then eventually, he has that moment of, oh, I'm in the wrong here.
- 12:02I need to go help my friends out.
- 12:04And he races.
- 12:05Actually gets past Pumbaa, who's been running.
- 12:07But, like, he reveals.
- 12:08No, actually, I was just kind of running a little slower so you could catch up.
- 12:12Yeah.
- 12:13Yeah.
- 12:13Okay.
- 12:14Okay.
- 12:14Okay.
- 12:15Yeah.
- 12:16You know, I don't know I feel like they've always.
- 12:18There.
- 12:18They were always going to stick as friends out.
- 12:21Because I don't think there was any, like, crazy conflict for them to not be.
- 12:24Except for that moment you just said.
- 12:25Yeah, there wasn't, like, a big, huge conflict between.
- 12:28It was more like Timon not appreciating him at first.
- 12:31And being, like, wanting to be a solo guy, you know, just making his own way in the world.
- 12:35And Pumbaa just happened to be around him.
- 12:38And it was.
- 12:38It was very condescending with how he talked to him.
- 12:41But eventually it started changing in the film of being, like, growing more appreciative of him.
- 12:46So, yeah, it's not really, like, a massive fight between the two of them.
- 12:50There's little things at the start that you can see the edges are there and that it's refined over time.
- 12:56To where they established their hakuna matata together and their little paradise.
- 13:01Yeah.
- 13:02And through it all, like Pumbaa, he always stuck with Timon, regardless.
- 13:07I think.
- 13:08Regardless of how Simone, like, treated him at first, too.
- 13:11Yes.
- 13:11And then Timo eventually came around, right?
- 13:13Am I remembering this correctly?
- 13:15Eventually, yeah.
- 13:16He kind of cooled down a little bit.
- 13:17Not as.
- 13:18No, Hot, hot fire.
- 13:20Tempered.
- 13:20Like this one scene early on where, like, you know, Pumbaa makes nests for both of them.
- 13:24And there's obviously one bigger for him and a tiny one for Timon.
- 13:28And Timon takes the bigger one because he has more space.
- 13:30So Pumbaa's, like, forced to, like, be in this little, tiny.
- 13:34And yet he's fine with it because he's a positive guy.
- 13:37Even though he should have said something.
- 13:39Yeah.
- 13:40I think it just built, like, a better understanding between the two.
- 13:44Yes.
- 13:45With that friendship helps go.
- 13:46It was.
- 13:47It had a rocky start, but they made it work.
- 13:50Yeah.
- 13:50Because you had one guy who didn't want anyone at all, and one guy, all he wants is to be around people.
- 13:55And he can't because of who and what he is.
- 13:57Yeah.
- 13:58Yeah.
- 13:59And, of course, later on, Simba, too, is, like, thinking that he killed his dad.
- 14:03And wanting to fit in again.
- 14:05Finding, you know, a new family, as it were, with two older brothers.
- 14:10So I think one of the things from what I remember last night, one of the themes of the film is kind of like, how about people who have a hard time fitting in?
- 14:18How we can find ways to, like, fit into other places where we don't belong here, but maybe we belong here.
- 14:23So, like, what do you remember about what it had to say about people who are having difficulty in, like, fitting in to where they are, where they want to be.
- 14:34I may not be remembering this correctly, but pretty sure, like, at some point.
- 14:40Well, obviously, we see in the first movie that Pumbaa eventually accepted himself for who he was with, like, his gas and everything.
- 14:50And was just proud about it.
- 14:53We see that in the first movie.
- 14:55So I think in this film, because it's been a long time since I last seen it.
- 15:00But Timon basically helped him, like, overcome that.
- 15:03Right.
- 15:03Overcome him not fitting in.
- 15:05Yeah, that's part of it.
- 15:06Because, like, they essentially become a found family.
- 15:09Yeah.
- 15:09In that sense, Pumbaa, like, not fitting in because of the way he smells of how that and how terrible it is.
- 15:16Like, no one wants to be around him.
- 15:18Like, and it's something he can't control because it's just part of his anatomy.
- 15:21I'm sure there are people in multiple ways that that could factor into.
- 15:25Like, obviously, this is more fantastical.
- 15:27And, of course, you know, Timon himself does not fit into his meerkat society.
- 15:32Because this is what we're all about.
- 15:34I mean, I love.
- 15:35I.
- 15:35I was just at Chicago Zoo not terribly long ago with my niece.
- 15:40And they had a little meerkat den up there.
- 15:43And you could see, like, obviously they're way safer there than they would be out in the wild.
- 15:46But they're still on the alert.
- 15:48They're looking out and making sure that nothing bad can happen.
- 15:51Because they know what can happen if they don't.
- 15:54You know, they can eaten.
- 15:55And tomorrow it's like, I don't want the stress of all that.
- 15:57Like, is this what life is?
- 15:58Just, like, going around and, like, digging holes just so we can avoid being eaten?
- 16:03Like, I'm not about that.
- 16:04Let me find, you know, my place where I can get that hakuna matata.
- 16:08My.
- 16:08No worries.
- 16:09So that means leaving behind a place he wanted everyone else was fitting into him.
- 16:13Yeah.
- 16:13And it's not really focused on too much, but, you know, similar to trying to find a new place after, like, he had a structure, like he was the next guy in charge.
- 16:21And now suddenly, that's all taken away from him.
- 16:23And obviously the original film does it way better because he's the main character.
- 16:27But we get enough of it here to where we see a little bit of how that could make him into who he's going to be.
- 16:32Yeah.
- 16:33All right.
- 16:33All right.
- 16:34So a final question for our main discussion here, Alex.
- 16:37Where do you find your hakuna matata?
- 16:40Where do you get to the no worries stage in your life?
- 16:43Finding my hakuna Matata.
- 16:46No worry stage in life.
- 16:48I, you know, I think that.
- 16:51I think that's something that I'm constantly trying to find.
- 16:55Like, I'll find it and then I walk away and I gotta come back and find it.
- 16:59I don't think it's like, it's something that you gotta act.
- 17:01It's not constant.
- 17:02Yeah, yeah.
- 17:04But when I do find hakuna matata, I'm kind of just like, I find myself crocheting a stuffed animal with YouTube on, like some funny YouTube video or.
- 17:17Or a deep discussion thing with the hot button topic.
- 17:20And that's just my hakuna matata.
- 17:23Or another one would be, I'm traveling and I'm away from home and I'm doing exploring elsewhere.
- 17:30Hakuna matata.
- 17:33Yeah.
- 17:34Yeah, I'm with you.
- 17:36It fluctuates.
- 17:37It's not like I can go here and immediately every pressure is relieved and the weight is off my shoulder and I can just relax.
- 17:45Like, doesn't exist.
- 17:46Especially, you know, in this time of transition where I'm still trying to find a pastoral job somewhere that is.
- 17:52That is no fun being in that in between.
- 17:54But I do find it occasionally, you know, when I am reading, when I can shut everything else and have some music on because I need two things going on at once.
- 18:03Because my biochemistry sucks, to be perfectly honest.
- 18:06Like, other people, they can just have one thing and that's it.
- 18:09Me, I need like two or three.
- 18:10Yeah.
- 18:11So my rest is going to look way different than other people's rest.
- 18:14Like, I remember in college, all the way back, like, I had to have the TV on at night in order to sleep.
- 18:18And I had two roommates at that time and they didn't like it and I felt really bad.
- 18:22But, like, we had to, like, work out.
- 18:24Okay.
- 18:25You can listen to this much and this and that.
- 18:26Because I was disturbing their rest, you know, and finding the balance between all that, that roommate swing, that is a really difficult way, but you got to do it in order to get through.
- 18:36But I do.
- 18:37Like, right now, honestly, I'm not the Jesus juker or anyone or anything, but I've found rest working with youth at our church.
- 18:45And our youth pastor has given me multiple opportunities to preach.
- 18:48And there's always that setup right before.
- 18:51Like, I'm not good enough.
- 18:52They're not going to listen to a thing I say.
- 18:54Like that imposter syndrome kind of nonsense that gets in everyone's head.
- 18:58But then when I start, it's over.
- 19:00It's like I'm in the flow.
- 19:01I Feel good.
- 19:02I.
- 19:03I know that I'm doing exactly what I'm meant to do, and I.
- 19:05I find immense rest even in the midst of something that.
- 19:08That is work.
- 19:09Yeah, I think I'm the same way, too.
- 19:12Now that I'm thinking back.
- 19:13I was just at.
- 19:14I was just volunteering at a church camp last week, and I felt so much hakuna matata.
- 19:20Like, when I tell people, because there's a camp full of middle schoolers, and I tell people that they're like, oh, my gosh, I must have been so stressed.
- 19:26And I was like, no, it was actually really fun.
- 19:30Like, I was in the zone.
- 19:32I don't know if me being an extrovert, too, but like, that.
- 19:35Because I also found a balance of, like, moments like, quote unquote chaos, but also moments of, like, quiet, too, where I was able to sit outside under a tree with my Bible just reading.
- 19:46Or, like, when I was with the kids, we were, like, playing dodgeball.
- 19:50I was teaching them line dances, and I was just.
- 19:53That was.
- 19:54That was also akuna matata.
- 19:56The whole week, there was not a single moment of, like, stress or anything.
- 20:00So.
- 20:00Yeah, I definitely relate with you on that.
- 20:03I also just got back from a youth camp in the middle of the hot in Tennessee, and it was a blast.
- 20:10It was also extremely stressful.
- 20:12Like, it's one of those paradoxical things of, like, this is causing me stress, but at the same time, I feel so good about what I'm doing.
- 20:19Yeah.
- 20:19And I feel comfort in that.
- 20:20So, like, having students come up to me and, like, trust me enough to talk about what's going on in their lives and, like, knowing that I care about what they have to say and that I'm going to be
- 20:28a safe person they can be with, means the absolute world to me.
- 20:32Oh, yeah, I definitely agree.
- 20:34Like.
- 20:34Like, two nights ago, I was yelling at you because you were past curfew, or, you know, you didn't.
- 20:40You weren't where you were supposed to be or something like that.
- 20:42And yet, right here and now, like, we're having a conversation that also matters in a different way.
- 20:47Like, love it.
- 20:48Yeah.
- 20:49Yeah, it's great.
- 20:51So anything else to say about the Lion King?
- 20:53One and a half.
- 20:54Hakuna bata.
- 20:55Hakuna matata.
- 20:57How are you scoring this out of 10?
- 20:59Oh, I would give this a 10.
- 21:01It's one of my faves.
- 21:02Okay, I'm gonna get a 10.
- 21:04Here's where the fellowship ends.
- 21:06I'm giving this a six.
- 21:07Like, this is solid.
- 21:09Like, I definitely enjoyed rewatching it last night.
- 21:12But this top, I guess I'm just a different man than when I was a kid when this first came out.
- 21:16Wow.
- 21:18You know, that's fair.
- 21:19That's fair.
- 21:20As we grow up, I think our sense of humor will change with that.
- 21:23That's fair.
- 21:25So, Alex, question we've been asking at the end here, so what kind of flavored tea or lemonade would we bring to the drive in?
- 21:33Oh, lemonade, peach, peach, lemonade, peach lemonade tea.
- 21:39Ginger or mint ginger tea.
- 21:41Okay.
- 21:43Yeah.
- 21:44My answer remains unchanged.
- 21:46Much like my tea, all you do is you put a lot of sugar in there, you know, as God intended, and that's all you need.
- 21:52No different flavors, no nothing.
- 21:54You give me a cold iced tea, ice sweet tea.
- 21:57That's.
- 21:58That's everything.
- 21:58Call me vanilla without putting vanilla in there.
- 22:01I don't care.
- 22:03And that's okay.
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