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Hour Two | Tyler Shough Gets the Nod, Injury Talk & Coaching Carousel · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: All Star Toyota presents Off the Bench with Jacob Hester
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  Speaker 1: and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where the.
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  Speaker 1: Plays get broken down and Science gets denied to come
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  Speaker 1: off the bench. Hour two of Off the Bench Live
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  Speaker 1: from the Raisin Knees Studio.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in nowur number two ot B
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  Speaker 3: here live from the Raising Kine Studio. You heard Taday
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  Speaker 3: say it there and that's exactly where we're going. The
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints have made a change at quarterback. Tyler
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  Speaker 3: Schoff will now be the starting quarterback. Spencer Rattler will
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  Speaker 3: go to the backup position. They did it against Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 3: Shuck comes into the game for Rattler, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was that close to happening like
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  Speaker 3: it played out there. It was almost like you were
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  Speaker 3: never going to give Spencer Ratler the full opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: the full season to be the guy, Like you were
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  Speaker 3: just waiting for any moment where you could put Tyler
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  Speaker 3: Shuck into the game there. And you know, for the
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  Speaker 3: people that were like you drafted even forty, you got
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  Speaker 3: to see what you have. Well here it is. Here
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  Speaker 3: is what you're going to get. You're going to get
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck now as you're starting quarterback, and typically unless
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  Speaker 3: it's just an abomination, he'll stay your starting quarterback because
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  Speaker 3: you don't look just like we talked about with Spencer Ratler,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't want to mess with his confidence with the
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  Speaker 3: way that he was playing, and you didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: go in out and out.
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  Speaker 2: So now Tyler Shuck's going to be your guy there.
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  Speaker 3: And I personally don't think it should be the move,
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  Speaker 3: but there's a lot of people I wanted to see again.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to see Tyler Shuck as a starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: And so now here we are, what week number what
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  Speaker 3: nine in the NFL, and he's gonna be your guy.
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  Speaker 2: I would assume Matt for the rest of the season too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would assume so the way when we talked
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  Speaker 4: to Nick yesterday, he kind of brought up the point,
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  Speaker 4: and I agree with him. It is a little bit
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  Speaker 4: strange because you feel like this Kellen Moore has kind
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  Speaker 4: of been in charge of this whole process, like he's
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  Speaker 4: had a good thumb on the pulse of this whole
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  Speaker 4: process exactly how he wanted to do it. Spencer Rattler
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  Speaker 4: won the starting job. He was the best leader he's
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  Speaker 4: the best player going into the season. Now you've won
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  Speaker 4: one game, you're won and seven, So you you see
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  Speaker 4: the right in the wall that at some point Tyler
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  Speaker 4: Shuck's going to play some football. He's gonna get his
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to go in there and get some experience, get
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  Speaker 4: some game experience, and do what everybody wants him to see, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is see what you have.
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  Speaker 4: So you knew that was gonna happen the way it happened,
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  Speaker 4: which was a little bit, a little bit strange in
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  Speaker 4: my opinion. And you're one and seven, Yeah, your offense
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  Speaker 4: needs to spark a lot of turnovers. I get it,
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  Speaker 4: Like you can't if offensive turned If the offense turns
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  Speaker 4: the ball over, it's going to fall on the quarterbacks shoulders,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's a fumble, whether it's an interception, whether it's
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  Speaker 4: you know, directly has fault or not. And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of them what were his fault? And that was kind
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  Speaker 4: of why, you know, everybody was the protection of the football.
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  Speaker 4: The first handful of weeks was like, yeah, well this
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  Speaker 4: guy's this guy's doing great. He's doing great. He's protecting
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  Speaker 4: the football. They're not turning over, they're not losing the game.
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  Speaker 4: Well they haven't. They did turn it over. So that
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  Speaker 4: was like the first sign that like any like the
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  Speaker 4: blemish on the radar for Spencer Rattler led offense. Now,
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  Speaker 4: of course the points weren't like we were scoring as
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  Speaker 4: many points as we needed to.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't plays being made.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of light goes into that, but you can
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  Speaker 4: always hang your head on they're protecting the football. When
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  Speaker 4: you don't protect the football, you kind of lose lose
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  Speaker 4: that argument. So when you don't, you make a change.
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  Speaker 4: And the way they made the change, that the time
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  Speaker 4: they made the change is so weird because Kellen Moore
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  Speaker 4: has had such a process in mind and he's had
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  Speaker 4: such a he's all, you know, you felt like he
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  Speaker 4: was under control and at the right moment they put
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  Speaker 4: Tyler in give him an opportunity. I did find it
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  Speaker 4: strange that they threw him in in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the game because they needed a spark on offense on
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  Speaker 4: a one and one and six football team. Yeah and down,
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  Speaker 4: And I think I think he got pulled. He got
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  Speaker 4: pulled after she'd fumbled something like that, which you know
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  Speaker 4: it's not directly Spencer Rattler's fault. Right the offense needed
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  Speaker 4: a little spark. But for a guy that seemed to
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  Speaker 4: be in control of the situation, as Kellen Moore has
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  Speaker 4: I did, that's that decision seemed a little out of
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  Speaker 4: control in my opinion, for a move that everyone kind
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  Speaker 4: of saw that was going to come eventually in the
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  Speaker 4: season because you're not winning games. Whether it's Spencer's fault
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  Speaker 4: or not, it seemed a little bit out of character
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  Speaker 4: to this point for.
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  Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, seemed a little bit out of control.
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  Speaker 4: You I would have thought that when you throw him
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  Speaker 4: in there for the first time to get meaningful reps
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  Speaker 4: to take ownership and leadership of an offense, that you
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  Speaker 4: give him a week of prep to give him the
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  Speaker 4: best opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he goes out there and does fine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it looked, you know, it looked like how
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  Speaker 4: it's looked with Spencer right, some decent throws, some bad
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  Speaker 4: offensive line play, some really bad offensive line play, some
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  Speaker 4: bad receiver play, some really bad receiver play, no real
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  Speaker 4: run game, no real run game to speak of. So
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  Speaker 4: I don't anticipate it looking any different. Yeah, I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna hit some big plays and good plays, and
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  Speaker 4: people are gonna cheer there's gonna be some frustrating place
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna hit a lot of checkdown Charlie's he's going to.
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  Speaker 2: The team's not changing around him.
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  Speaker 4: But I do want to take my hat off to
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  Speaker 4: hol Spencer Rattlers handling the situation as well. Hey, he's
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  Speaker 4: handled handled it like a like a professional to the
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  Speaker 4: to the next level as well. I can tell you
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  Speaker 4: when I got when I got benched, I didn't handle
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  Speaker 4: it nearly as well as he did.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure he is too, but like it's one of
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  Speaker 4: the situations. Yeah, I saw Nick Underhill sweet yesterday about it.
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  Speaker 4: He caught up with Spencer, Yeah, and kind of asked
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  Speaker 4: him like, hey, man, why did you why did you
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  Speaker 4: decide to take the podium Sunday after the game. You
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to. Wasn't a requirement that you could have,
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  Speaker 4: you know, done a couple of things at your locker
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, gotten taking a shower pill and got out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, shower shower that forever.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: But he said, look, you got to handle it like
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  Speaker 2: a pro.
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  Speaker 4: And this is you know, you take you take your lumps,
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  Speaker 4: you get knocked down, you got to keep fighting.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't change anything.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna handle this and be the best team that
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  Speaker 4: I can be, And not a lot of people will
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  Speaker 4: sit there and say that coming off in the heat
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  Speaker 4: of the moment like that, like maybe after a couple
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  Speaker 4: of days of thinking about it and prepping a speech
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  Speaker 4: and prepping like how I'm going to handle this now?
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  Speaker 2: Then that was they came from the heart and he's serious.
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  Speaker 4: So like a lot of a lot of kudos to him,
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  Speaker 4: which is only going to help Tyler shuck, Like if
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  Speaker 4: he knew there was a disgruntled Spencer Rattler in the room,
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  Speaker 4: Like that doesn't help anybody, no, right, especially the coach,
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback that's playing.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, and they asked, they asked him, you know
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  Speaker 3: about it after the move was made, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go about my work the same way.
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  Speaker 2: Pull that.
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  Speaker 3: This is a little bit different quote, but he said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go about my work the same.
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  Speaker 2: Way that one. If you wanted which one. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's that same quote that you're talking about. It's part
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  Speaker 2: of the game. I'm going to be a great teammate
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  Speaker 2: and respond the right way. I think that is. Look
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  Speaker 2: at Alandra always on top of it. Let's play that audio.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we came out of the half, didn't
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  Speaker 5: have a great drive, kept getting back to up, back
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  Speaker 5: to back to you know, just really couldn't catch a rhythm.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, he said, hey, we're gonna go with Tyler,
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  Speaker 5: get a little spark. See see what's gonna happen. And
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  Speaker 5: you know it's part of the game, you know, And
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  Speaker 5: I understand you can't control everything, but you know, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be a great teammate and respond the right way,
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  Speaker 5: you know, be a pro about it and helping anyway
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  Speaker 5: I can. I mean, I just go at it the
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  Speaker 5: same way. You know, it's part of the game. I've
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  Speaker 5: been through adversity before. I'm gonna be a good teammate,
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  Speaker 5: have good body language, still be a.
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  Speaker 2: Leader, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So I just got to show up to work, keep
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  Speaker 5: keep a smile on my face, keep working and uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you can only control what you can. I've
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  Speaker 5: said that before, So we'll control what I can and
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  Speaker 5: keep attacking the same way.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's much better than right after the game.
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  Speaker 2: Right after the game, that's that's that's very Uh, let's
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  Speaker 2: place sucks.
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  Speaker 3: Why do I have the the the ultimate feeling that
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  Speaker 3: Spencer ratlet is going to go somewhere else and just
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  Speaker 3: light it up. Just has that feel to it. But
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  Speaker 3: uh yeah, look saying the right things. And for Tyler shuck. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: it's a great opportunity for him now has a full
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  Speaker 3: week to prepare.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's going against the Rams.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's a very very He's an opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: So we call opportunities there, Jake. Yeah. Uh. Kyler Moore
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  Speaker 2: had this to say about it. We weren't playing well
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  Speaker 2: on offense.
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  Speaker 3: It had more to do with our entire offense to
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  Speaker 3: your point, Matt, then Spencer, Yes, Spencer had some turnover
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  Speaker 3: bugs the last two weeks, but he's played plenty of
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  Speaker 3: good football. I was trying to generate a spark, trying
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  Speaker 3: to generate something that can get us going collectively. And
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  Speaker 3: I thought Tyler went in there, dot dot he battled, So.
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  Speaker 2: That tells me he was gonna go. Oh. I thought
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  Speaker 2: Tyler went in there, he battled, He battled.
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  Speaker 3: But it is the offense collectively, and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: Spencer Ratler it was perfect by any means.
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  Speaker 2: Look I am he did play it, just keell us play.
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  Speaker 2: He played a lot of good football.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, in a situation that is not I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 4: say anything's unfair, uh, in a situation that is, other
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  Speaker 4: guys are put in a little bit easier situation because
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  Speaker 4: they don't have guys behind him that are right there
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  Speaker 4: that are a second round pick. Kind of everybody kind
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  Speaker 4: of wants him to play at the first sign of
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  Speaker 4: a blimish, Like if you have a couple of blemishes
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  Speaker 4: and you stack them, then that's I mean, that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of riding on the table a little bit. But do
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  Speaker 4: you look at other situations, look at I mean, I know,
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  Speaker 4: you got to have like there's always an asterisk with
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  Speaker 4: that whatever round you were picked in.
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  Speaker 2: Next day he's got a fifth round.
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  Speaker 4: Is he is Bryce Young playing better than Spencer rally,
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  Speaker 4: but much cleaner situation there.
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  Speaker 2: Not having somebody breathing over your shoulder, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. So anyway, a lot of good too many blimmishes.
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  Speaker 3: The red rifles just there just in case breaking glass,
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  Speaker 3: in case of emergency. He's not looking over they've broken glass. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's playing uniform and everything.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, there's no there's never there's not an unfair situation.
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  Speaker 4: We're not we're you know, playing the world's tiniest fiddle
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  Speaker 4: here for NFL football players. But yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 4: situation where he couldn't make mistakes. And when you stack
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  Speaker 4: a couple of mistakes on top of each other and
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  Speaker 4: you don't have a winning record, you know, things happen.
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  Speaker 4: But I kind of do get that feeling as well.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's got a lot of good football in
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  Speaker 4: front of him, and I hope Tyler Shuck's got a
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  Speaker 4: lot of good football in front him. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: find out he's got an opportunity today. It's a really dangerous,
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  Speaker 4: dangerous Rams football team.
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  Speaker 7: he is every single week to break down the latest
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  Speaker 7: injuries across the sports world.
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  Speaker 3: And well we're gonna start doc with uh the twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four meathead Player of the Year, Cam Skataboo. He
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  Speaker 3: was playing so well, you know, the Giants weren't winning games,
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  Speaker 3: but it was fun. Jackson Dark camp Scatter, just a
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  Speaker 3: little couple of meatheads out there and just doing meathead things.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean so meathead that he tried to stand
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  Speaker 3: up after his foot was facing the opposite direction. It's
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  Speaker 3: one of those ones like you just don't even want
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  Speaker 3: to watch, kind of walk us through how that happens,
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  Speaker 3: what you do when that happens, and maybe like what
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  Speaker 3: the timetable is for his recovery.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's I guess the p s A is don't
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  Speaker 8: stand up on your foots the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He tried, and he tries. His teammates were like, no, like,
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  Speaker 2: you look at that.
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  Speaker 8: Thing, right, I just looked down. Well, you see these injuries.
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  Speaker 8: Unfortunately we get them. You know, you'll see them a
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  Speaker 8: few times a year, you feel like, and most of
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  Speaker 8: the times, you know it's gonna be one of those scenarios,
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  Speaker 8: you know, where you kind of you're playing it in
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  Speaker 8: the ground, you're cutting your twist and your body weight's
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  Speaker 8: going one way, but the foot's not, you know, and
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  Speaker 8: it's it's it's something's usally gonna have to give in
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  Speaker 8: that scenario. And unfortunately, in this case, you know, he
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  Speaker 8: had what looked like an ankle dislocation at the time.
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  Speaker 8: When that happens, obviously, yeah, you're gonna see if you've
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  Speaker 8: se an extremity go in the wrong direction, never a
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  Speaker 8: good thing, ever a good thing. And and so at
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  Speaker 8: that point when you're out there assessing that, you first
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  Speaker 8: want to kind of make sure you understand where the
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  Speaker 8: severity of this injury is. You know, is does the
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  Speaker 8: person have a good pulse, because sometimes if you have
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  Speaker 8: an injury like that, you can compromise blood flow of
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  Speaker 8: distial Is is it an open dislocation or fracture, meaning
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  Speaker 8: is there a bone sticking out again? It can get
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  Speaker 8: more gruesome than just a foot going the wrong way,
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  Speaker 8: because if that's the case, you got to control bleeding
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  Speaker 8: and you got to worry about that.
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  Speaker 6: It does sort of affect what we do in that scenario.
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  Speaker 8: And then if possible, is it something that we can
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  Speaker 8: reduce on the field, meaning can we pop it back
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  Speaker 8: in place?
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  Speaker 6: And and ultimately painful?
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  Speaker 2: How painful is that it hurt? Adrenaline going?
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  Speaker 8: Adrenaline's going, and that's why I mean, you want to
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  Speaker 8: get as quick as you can. Adrenaline is still going,
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  Speaker 8: then you want to get that guy then and and
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  Speaker 8: and and and typically it hurts more when it's out
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  Speaker 8: of place. Obviously when it's back in So even though yeah,
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  Speaker 8: popping it back end is gonna hurt, then it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: I feel better now, you know, you get that, you
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  Speaker 8: get that immediate relief. So we're gonna try our best
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  Speaker 8: to get it back in place for a lot of
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  Speaker 8: reasons as quickly as possible, you know. And it's it's
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  Speaker 8: it's funny how last week I believe we talked about,
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: you know, wearing the boots around the facility and the
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: boot's not necessarily a bad sign. But when you see
• 16:00
  Speaker 8: that vacuum splint come out, you see that splint where
• 16:02
  Speaker 8: we're pumping it, and it's the one that you saw
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: him leave, that's never that's yeah, you don't want to
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: see the vacuum splint coming off the field. That's gonna
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: be one because that's something where we're stabilizing that joint
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: immediately because it's an unstable joint in that scenario, So
• 16:14
  Speaker 8: you know, and then that's gonna be one.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: There.
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: They're almost always gonna know, be surgical and things like that,
• 16:18
  Speaker 8: especially an ankle, it's gonna typically need surgery. We're gonna
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: get evaluated, not right away, but it's it's gonna be
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: a process.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, real quick, Sorry Matt, to cut
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: you off, but I wanted to ask, like, what's docs
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: countdown when you're popping back in place? Is it on
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: three and you go one and then you just do it?
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Is it like do you change it up?
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm typically not gonna go on three. I'm gonna
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna get you a little quick. Uh so fair warning. Yeah,
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: you know we're gonna talk to him about it. If
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: you wanted to kind of know what you're gonna do. Uh,
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: I've got I've grabbed a couple you know, maybe upper
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: str fingers and just done it before you can give
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: him the warning.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: You know you're gonna have to do it at.
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: Or half a second, you see that, you see that
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: anger in the eye, and you gotta kind of you
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: kinda get kind of lean back just in case a
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: fist comes flying. But then but then immediately it turns
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: from you know, to gratitude as soon as you get
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: it in.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: How do you decide in the moment you talked about
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: you have to figure out you have to diagnose if
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: it can be popped back into place, because I'm assuming
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: there's some injuries where it's dislocated, where there could be
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: some nerve or something issue that you don't want to
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: pop it back into place. Like it's how do you
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: make that decision in like in the heat of the moment,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: in the split second one.
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: You know a lot of the times you know it's
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: going to be you know, if you if you look
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: at it and if there's something obviously out of place,
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: you know, an open injury, can we even get this
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: back in?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: That's that's what I was saying earlier, if there's a
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: bone sticking out something crazy, do I really fel like
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: I can even get this to go back right?
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: So that's going to be the first obvious one.
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: And then once you've got to move beyond that, you know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: sometimes you're gonna kind of have to get a little fuel.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: For what's going on. You have to kind of put
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: your hands on it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: And if that's the thing's not moving too much when
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: I grab it, I'm you know, it might be something
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: where we don't want to do it on the field
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: at the very least. You know, a lot of times
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: the shoulder pops out sometimes that can be a little
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: harder to get back in, so you know, we may
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: try once or twice really quickly kind of you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: and if we can't get it low key real quick,
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: we might get them off into the tent or even
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: into the locker room. So so it's a I don't know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: there's one thing you look for outside the big catastrophic,
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: But once you get beyond that, it's it's a lot
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: of times a little bit of a trial and er.
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: If it's not sliding in really easy, we might wait
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: until we.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Because last year it was kind of it was kind
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of funny.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: My wife and I joked about it now, not to
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: like compare the two injuries between, like an ankle dislocation,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: but my wife were we were throwing football with our
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: kids outside and she broke her pinky and it was
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: like hanging to the side, and I was like, well,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: close your eyes, I'm gonna pop this thing back in.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: And I didn't do it because she was in so
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: much pain. So I called the doc and I was like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, good thing you didn't pop it back
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: into place because there's like a spiral fracture in it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, how would I would have known? Like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: because I remember I remember the hill?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Would you think your ass was qualified enough to do that? Though?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Because I've seen I've seen people do it. I think
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: my dad did it to me when I was a kid.
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: Well, and then it is a fracture sometimes so is
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: it at the joint and sometimes where the disruption is Well,
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: my brother's a doctor.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I think I felt like I could do it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Hang around us enough.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: It's friends of the family. Jesus, all right, relax, guy, employees.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It had my bone sticking out, Matt, So it's fun.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Get some tape.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: So when you when you have that inflatable cast that
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: comes out, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's a compound fracture, right,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: and compounds like when it's sticking out.
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: Correct, Yeah, compound open, there's a couple of different terms
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: we use for those, but same thing. You know, it
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily mean that. No, it typically means it's an
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: unstable injury, or we're worried that it's an unstable injury
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: at the very least if it's something dislocated, something broken.
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: Almost definitely when you see that, you know, there might
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: be a few times we're maybe a little overly cautious
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: and put it on just in case, but most of
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: the time you see the vacuum splint.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be one of those types of.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Injuries when that happens, Like if you have an open
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: wound like that from a broken bone or dislocation, there's
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: a bone sticking.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I remember there.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: We had a guy in Green Bay who snapped his
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: femur in half and the femur was sticking out of
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: his thigh and I was like what, And of course
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: everyone's back the way, no one's really seeing what happening
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: because it gets in that cast pretty quickly, like is it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I don't want to like make light of the situation,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: but like you push, push the bone back in and
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: then like cover up the open wound, Like what do
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: you do on the.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Definitely gonna cover up the open wound.
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: You're gonna kind of if you can kind of get
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: a better alignment, you're gonna you're gonna aim for that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: And then if you think about a part of the
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: benefit of having this vacuum splint is the compression because
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: anytime you have have a open wound that's bleeding, you,
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: especially if it's around a big best vessel, you want
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: to stop the bleeding. So everything we can do and
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: part of that is that that vacuum splint is gonna
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: put pressure on the wound, is gonna kind of compress it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: So so that's where we're starting a lot of times.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: So so yeah, we'll put that on and it's open,
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: we'll cover it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: Obviously that's one that we're gonna get a little bit
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: more rapidly out of there to the to the hospital
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: so we can flush that thing out because you gotta st
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: worry about infection and things like that. So you really
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: want to clean those out good and as quick as
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: you can. Uh So, so all that process starts immediately.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I mean you worry about infections and everything, right, can
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you be like certain out there you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: Know field and all the all the stuff that's out there.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's you got to really watch those
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: things out good. And you know, there's been a couple
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: of guys that over the years you've seen it, you
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: that have had those unfortunately where they got infected after
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: the fact they had their surgery. And even if you
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: do everything right, it's a you got to get every
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: bit of that out of there, and that could be hard.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Uh this next question, you can just say no else
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you's had a head coaching change.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: We all know that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: You're one of the team doctors, and so you you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: have communication with the head coach. Like so now when
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you have an interim coach, but it is somebody you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I mean you've known Frank for a long time, it's
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: just kind of the same like because you know Frank,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: it's just like, Okay, well that's just who we're going
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: to talk with now about injuries, and it's just yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: You know, every coach has gonna have a little bit.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Of a different information.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, some of them want it right away.
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: Some of them just say, hey, look we're gonna we're
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: gonna figure this out later. Some of them want to
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: hear it, you know, on Sundays we go into we
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: do treatments. Some of the coaches like to meet with us.
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: Some of them, I just like to get it from
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: one source. Some of them want to hear.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: The whole group.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: So so they're all gonna have a little bit of
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: their own approach. To your point, you know, we transition
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: here to Frank should be pretty easy for us. He's
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: a guy that that's been around the program a while,
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: guy that all of us have relationships with. I've known
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: Frank pretty much. He was there when I got here
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: his last go round. So I mean his guy that
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: I've known a long time. I think is gonna do
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: a great job. And and yeah, so I don't I
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: don't think for us there's gonna be much.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Of a change.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: It will be pretty seamless, right But but but yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: to your point, each coach is gonna do it a
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: little bit different, and he may tell us that hey,
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: this is how I want it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: And that's what we'll do. You know, we can. We're
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: pretty adapted with those types of things.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Have y'all been kind of in tune with another Schedules
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: are going to be probably a little bit different. Frank's
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: gonna have his own touch on a couple of things.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: We got a bye week this week, second bye week,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: so we've kind of you have the routine down from
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: last time, but it might be a little bit different.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: It would be your first day in you expecting a
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: different like schedule changes or anything. I know, it's a
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: bye week, is a big week to get rested, be
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: it recovered, get treatment, and of course continue to treat
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the injuries that are already there. But I expected any
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: any new schedule this week.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: I think schedule will be similar.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: You know that he may add in a different workout
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: here or there, which might have a slight effect on us.
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: I think, you know, the thing I've been hearing, you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: mostly is just the attitude. You know, they're they're really
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: trying to be more intense, trying to to pick up
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: the intensity is the is the big thing I've heard.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: And you know, does that really change the schedule?
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: No, But I think I think what I've got out
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: of the first day out of yesterday's practice I heard
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: it was a little more of an intense practice than
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: you would he only expect or what we would have
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: expected during a bye week. I think trying to pick
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: up the energy a little bit, which.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Is what we want to hear. That's exactly what I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to hear.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: That is exactly because there's only one speed at LSU,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: and that speed was not being played, and here's hoping
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: that it gets played.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Uh, Doc, we appreciate it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I always appreciate the time, even though you're talking about
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: bone sticking out in the back end and.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yep, my pleasure.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Real quick, what's the worst bone you've ever seen out
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: on a football field on.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: A football field, it's it's probably been an ankle. Uh
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: some some of the er they're little bit different it. Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: what about we had femurs a minute ago. I had
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: Amerasa have one second. I was a med student in this,
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: like my first week on a trauma rotation, so very
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: very new to this. And literally guy comes in from
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: motorcycle accident and his ankle was hanging on by a
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: thread of tissue. Fact, the whold My job was the whole.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I'm a lowly med.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: Students guy, I'm like, uh, you mean his foot and
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: I'm looking there is like one little piece of like
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: tissue hole.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, my eyes.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Get this big and can you say is it? You
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: can't say that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Right in that scenario didn't didn't work out?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: So well yeah right, yeah, So, like I think most
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: people when we watch sports and like a bad fracture,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: a break happens, or something goes to the direction it's
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: not supposed to go. But God did not create it
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: that way. It's most of us turn away, right. I can't, like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: I don't like to see bones breaking, like, but I
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: know your experience with it. To be a doctor you
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: have to have you can't have that. So but is
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: there every time it's like you walk up to it
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: and like you just go, oh yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Well good, well I will say this.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: That's the one that makes it worse than sideline because
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: these are kids that I know, you know, it's a
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: little different.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: So so even though yeah, from the ear, you coming
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: with this ankle turning the wrong way, you maybe it's
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: a half second oof, but you know you kind of
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: turn the switch when you're out there, you know, you realize, like, hey,
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: this ankle is attached to this guy that I know
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: really well, kid that I care about. It does have
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: a little bit of a different effect then true.
• 25:27
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  Speaker 2: Who's gonna be the next head coach? All of that.
• 26:10
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• 26:13
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• 26:23
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• 26:34
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• 26:56
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in O t B.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Trying to get in contact with a guy Chris Love
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: on three certainly.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: To all back in the day little league baseball. The
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: name christ Love.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: It's one of those guys that got really tall early.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: He was like, you know, over six foot, so it
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: wasn't very low.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: He went low. Sorry, baseball player. What's Chris doing now?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I had spoken to him since that season.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I think we didn't go to the same school on
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: the same team though, gotcha, I'm.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I get it. You know, clicky, have any high school
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: friends that you still stay.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: In contact with a lot, which is unfortunate kind of
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: happens when you kind of move away and go back.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Couldn't go to my ten year reunion because I was
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: playing football?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, although my high school doesn't have reunions,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: so it didn't really matter that I was playing football.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Street Port evangel seems like the peak place that would
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: have reunions. And it's like, I don't even need to
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: dust off my letter jacket because I still wear it
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: pretty frequently.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: That's I kind of wish it was like that. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: wish it was like West Caine and the coyotes.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It wasn't. I didn't even like have a letterman jacket
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: because like we all sport.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: That is one of the more shocking things because I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: a jock. No, just because you know, the report of
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Angels seems.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say it, but it seems kind
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of douchey.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Oh it's because you wouldn't play us.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I can say that on there, I think so Taylor London,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I say douchey Hunter.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I mean you said like three times right then, so
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: well it's confirmation it was for education. I can just
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: tell you right now. We had to work y'all. We
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: had to beat y'all with our frosted tips.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: And it would have been a tight first one and
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: a half quarters something like that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: After like the fifteenth past that we just hit over
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the top of your basic Cover three.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably like probably.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Super basic looking back on it. Oh, cover three is tough.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: You gotta drop a safety down. There's a lot of
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: communication that has to happen.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But true, that's fair, that's completely fair. Yeah, No, ten
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: yure reunion, No twenty year, which twenty year would have
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: been last year.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So but I'll spend on the ball seven to nine
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: times a game he'd have been toast.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: You know, you weren't going at seven and nine times.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: You know, it was more three or four those.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: A couple of games now maybe six seven completions. How
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you think those ankles got so sturdy it was running
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the option? I don't know. How do I get recruited? Uh?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Well you barely did.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: We found that out when we had jimbo On duly
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: said your ankles were not recruitable. All right, let's go
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: to the phone lines now. Our guy Chris low On
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: three joins us. See Low, what's going on?
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: Brother? How we doing doing great?
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: Jacob?
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: Good to do with you guys here on the bye
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: you you guys look for a head football coach.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that we do for sure, se Low and Hey,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: one of the things that I want to ask you
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: about is the timing of everything now compared to what
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: it used to be. And we were talking about it earlier,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: you know. Coach O got hired at the end of November.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Brian Kelly got hired at the end of November because
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it was a fourteen playoff for BK and even though
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: they still had a chance at getting into the fourteen playoff,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: he decides to take the LSU job. Well, now with
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: the twelve team playoff, and every candidate that we talk
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: about with LSU, for the most part is somebody that
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: still has a chance at the twelve team playoff.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: What does a timing look like now, because we know
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: like early signing day's December the third.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Now the transfer portal windows not till January.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Now that got pushed back, but it's early January, Jared,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I believe January the second is when that starts. And
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: so seelow, do you think that LSU will wait for
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: the right guy, even though it's not a guarantee if
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: you wait for said right guy.
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: I've asked that same question to people near all these
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: situations and they all have told me the same thing
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: that if it's the right guy, the guy they absolutely
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: won't that absolutely because they're not going to let the
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: fact that the season gets pushed or has been pushed
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: back keep them from hiring the coach that they all want.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: And of course, the game everyone's talking about Flint Kiffin,
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: I understand that's been you know, batting about the well,
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: what if ole miss makes a deep front to playoff,
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: which they could, I mean, the first game is what
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: the nineteenth of December. So let's say they win that
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: or even gonna buy and don't play until January. I
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: still later that year, I guess later in the year,
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: right before New Year's I don't think that will be
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: a deal breaker. Would it make it more difficult? Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: But I don't think a school in this case LSU
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: or flour for that matter, are going to sacrifice the
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: guy that they want and the guy they feel like
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: they can get. The guy that they feel like is
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: the difference maker, because I think we have it's been
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: proven at LSU and other schools. If you get the
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: right guy, then you're gonna win a high level. Certainly
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: at LSU. Kelly's three possessors all won national championships at
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: Florida or amer One national title sees Fur won a
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: national title. Look at your old coach, Nick Saban did
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: at LSU. I mean people forget Jake. LSU had lost,
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: had had nine loves in season eleven years before Nick
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: got yeah, uh and he wins one in oh three.
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: Look at what Alabama was that said the fire. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: I think there's too many examples out there, even though
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: we're a different time with the season being extended. If
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: a school gets the right coach, it makes all the
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: difference in the world.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Chris, does it become a waiting like you're saying, like
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: if a team has their guy pinpointed and they think
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: they have a good opportunity to get I'm like, time
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: is not really the issue. They will wait for that
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: right guy because, like you said, if you get the
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: right guy, anything can happen.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: We see what happens.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: But I'm looking at the landscape and I'm looking at
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: all of college football. I'm looking at the coaching openings
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: right now. There are a lot of blue blood that
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: are going to be looking for coaches, and there's only
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: so many of those people that has ended up on
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: the top of everybody's list.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin is the hot name that everybody's talking about,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: but he's also being talked about for the Florida job,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: for the Penn State job, for every job. And there's
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: going to be more big time schools that come open.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: So at some point, if you're an LSU, if you're
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: a Florida, if you're at Penn State, are you looking
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: at all?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: There's two guys that we really want that we would
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: wait until mid January for but there's five positions, five teams,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: including the team that he's currently at that we think
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: that he may or may not go to.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: So how confident?
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: How many like back channel conversations can you have that
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: would make an LSU or Florida comfortable waiting that long
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: with so many good job openings open.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's no way a school considers in on one
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: just one guy first of all, but they will stir
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: in on their guy and have those backchannel conversations. All
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: these coaches have agents, not the same agent, so yeah,
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: I mean their conversations being hell and you know James
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: excuse me not James Franklin and Marcus Freeman is another
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: guy a lot of schools would love to have. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: I know there's been reports out because he's not going
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: here and going there, But she still kicked the tires
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: with guys like that. You just do Are people kicking
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: the tires with a cannon de boar out West? Hey?
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: Are you really happy they're in Alabama? So you know
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: it's Penn State doing that, So I guarantee you there
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: and not just with Lane Kiffin. There are those conversations
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: because that's why you hire an agent, right, you coach
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: a football team, you know, And Lane has told me, hey,
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: I didn't you know, I didn't handled the last time
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: real well, you know when when Auburn came after him
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: betweenty twenty two. I think he's learned from that. I
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: think everyone has learned from that, you know, around him.
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: So I don't think it's a deal breaker. Does it
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: make it harder? Does it make a school be a
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: little bit more creative and make sure you've got a
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: a couple of guys that you all like that. Everybody
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: makes these life Absolutely, But we've seen coordinators do it now,
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: granted in a fourteen playoff for man. Kirby Smart did
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: it when he was Alabama and went to Georgia. Dan
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: Landing did it when he was at Georgia and went
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: to Oregon. Again, coordinators and the head coaches you know
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: at the time is a little bit different animal, but
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: it is. It is at least similar, And I have
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: no doubt that. Let's say it is Lane Kiffin at
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: LSU or Florida or wherever. But I'm telling you, guys,
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: you're right, they're gonna be other open. We're not done.
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: I think Florida State absolutely could open.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: And I got a little secret for you. And Lane
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: Kiffin was majorly in play there at Florida State two
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: years ago when it looked like Norville might go to Alabama.
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: You know, so there's gonna be other you know, does
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: Auburn open And again I'm not suggesting that Lang was
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: at Alburn, but you guys know that these other jibs
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: start opening that there's even more with dollin all effect,
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: and then everyone starts trying to race to meet the
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: other one to get their guy. Guys, I don't is
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: there enough coaches out there who truly qualify and established
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: to fill all these jobs?
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm with you. I'm with you too.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And and also like not only that ce Low and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: again I agree, but it's like for LSU, it's like, Okay,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: well you need something different than what you just had
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: for Penn State. You need something different like Flora. You
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: know how that goes? Like for Florida, they're probably not
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: looking at John Sumral from Tulane because they just hired
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: a coach out of the Sunbelt billion apier and it
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: didn't work well. So their fan base doesn't want to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: hear another group of six coach even though John Sumral
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: is a really good football coach for LSU, like, don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: talk about James Franklin because they feel like they just
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: had a version of James Franklin. Probably the same thing
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: for Penn State and Brian Kelly's name got brought out there.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: So not only is it the pool going to be small,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: there's also different filters based off the job.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think again, let's just choose Florida and
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: l s U. Now there are different schools, and I'm
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: not saying they're the same, but they're both a SEC schools.
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: They both have unbelievably fertile recruiting grounds in their states.
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: So if you're l s U right now, or if
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: you're Florida, I think you want guys that will fit,
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: Guys that understand the conference, guys who are coaching the conference,
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: Guys that are recruiting the conference. Guys that will galvanize
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: the money people. Jake were The two of us have
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: talked about this that when ex coach comes in, whether
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: it's Jacob Pastor or Chris lower Lane Kiffin, that they're
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: going to get the money people there exciting enough that
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: they're going to invest. I got a piece coming out
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: later there on three. And by the way, Jacob, you
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: are prominently featured in this piece. And I talked to
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: your former coach, Nick Saban about this and it was
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: really interesting what he had to say about what makes
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: a good job now. But I think those are the
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: things that those two schools in particular, when you come in,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: you know, do the guys who have money, because let's
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: be honest that Flora and LSU and DAMA and Texas,
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: all of those schools have guys boosters who have tons
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: of money. But the question is how many of those
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: can you get to pulling up a kind of money's
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: going to take now to build rosters, right, And I
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: think that's that is the No. Number one thing in schools,
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: evaluate cans. Who can we get in here that's gonna
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: truly help galvanize our money people, get them together, earn
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: the kind of trust and confidence that we're going to
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: be able to give them the kind of money to
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: build this roster. I mean LSU was a little bit
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: late to the party. They spend a ton of money
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: on this roster, which, yeah, heads crashing and they're not better.
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: I guess around eighteen millions. But I think that's that's
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: that's the waters you got to be swimming in, whether
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: it's Florida, LSU, or anywhere.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Chris, I don't think there's ever been a more challenging
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: time in college football history to be a head coach
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: or to be a coach, just because of the nil
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: and having to navigate a brand new world and brand
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: new landscape, and having to constantly recruit guys that are
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: still on the roster and navigate you know, salaries and
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: paying players and everything like that. But with the emergence
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: of a twelve team playoff, the expectations certainly have skyrocket,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: and I think that's probably one of the big reasons
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: we're seeing so many coaching turnovers mid season is because, well,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: you know, with the four team playoff, that was one thing.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: It's like, all right, that's the top four. It's fine,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: we're close to that. We're not there yet, It's understandable.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: But with a twelve team playoff, it seems like every
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: team that has a chance feels like they should be
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: making the playoffs. So they have this definitive line that says,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: twelve team playoff it should be. I mean, it's a
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: lot harder than you think, but it should be you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: a lot easier to make that playoff.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So it's either playoff or bust.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: And when you get eliminated or mathematically eliminated from that opportunity,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: I think the fan base becomes a little restless. Have
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: you ever do you think that is playing a big
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: part in a lot of these coaches being that we
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: didn't think getting turned over turnover?
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I think it's everything is geared down towards
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: the playoffs that if you don't make the playoffs, it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: been a bad season. And you know, you know, eight
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: years ago, ten years ago you had four making it,
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: and you know, making it New Year six Bowl was
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: a big deal. It's it's going to a bowl game.
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: Now it's not a big deal, certainly with the kind
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: of money as you point out, that's being spent on rosters,
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: on coaches, and when you know, people whether are wealthy,
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: don't typically in my experience, spend money nless. They thinks
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: there's going to be a return on their investment, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: there's certainly not going to keep doing it if there's
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: no return. And I think the people now that are
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: funding on all these flectors feel like right or wrong
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: that they have or should have more of a say,
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: and there's going to be more pressure from that on coaches.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: I think that's sort of what you're saying, that, hey,
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: we got to get this done quick, we got to
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: flip this thing quick. And I think for a guy
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: like Brian Kelly, the problem was that you saw. There's
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: other examples of that. You know, Kirby Smart in his
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: second year at Georgia had Georgia in the national championship team.
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: Josh Heifel in his second year it was his second
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: year at Tennessee or third year, had Tennessee the playoff.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: So here recently, Blayne had over that's the game away
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: from the playoff last year. He's won ten games a
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: bunch of years, so you know, he's slipped it pretty quickly.
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: And I think that's with the money again it's being
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: doled out. There is that pressure. I think that it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: probably greater than we've ever seen it before, which is
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: why ads get squirrely. Money people get squirrely. They put
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: pressure on a D and then we've sort of seen
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: then the A D maybe is not as front and
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: center and making something he's high. I mean, look at
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: what is happened in Virginia tide. I don't know how
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: much badcock you know, is involved. People are bringing it
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: in general manners to make I mean, how much well
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: scott Wood would be involved in this higher Uh. There's
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: a lot of those questions, and I think all that is, yes,
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: a by product of certainly how we've seen the landscape
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: chams with some of the money that's being paid out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: And then I world, all.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Right, there is I got Chris Low on three, senior
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: college football reporter.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: See Low. We appreciate the time as always, sir.
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey Jake, what would you and now have been
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: when you got to l SU? It's been an il
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: out the street? Much would you a pocket?
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe when I got here not a lot, But when
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I left I think I would have done pretty well.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Seelough, all right, good answer. No, we appreciated Chris.
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: All right, see you guys, take care.
• 42:45
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