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The Kenny Report | 5 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: The Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Ross and thank you for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The Albanezy government run scared from tackling runaway immigration with
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  Speaker 3: a new policy, but instead it trots out Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 3: and more energy self harm.
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  Speaker 2: Just s into Namper Jibber Price will join me.
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  Speaker 3: The Victorian Corruption Commission reveals how the Victorian Labor government
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  Speaker 3: ignored processes, conventions.
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  Speaker 2: And codes of conduct that state.
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  Speaker 3: Shadow Attorney General James Newbury will join us on that topic.
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  Speaker 3: Innocence killed in the Ukraine War and Britain battling more
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  Speaker 3: boatloads of illegal grimments, illegal immigrants. I'll talk to Tom
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  Speaker 3: Switzer and cross to Sophie Ellsworth in London, and on
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  Speaker 3: the Wednesday Wrangle James and Justin we'll review.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd's latest words of wisdom. Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about an immigration crisis. The Home Affairs Minister Tony
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  Speaker 3: Burke was planning to announce a new policy tomorrow at
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  Speaker 3: the National Press Club with cuts to migration numbers, but
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  Speaker 3: he hit a roadblock in cabinet reportedly, and the announcement's
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  Speaker 3: been delayed. Labor just can't handle immigration and border protection
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  Speaker 3: can bey The left scream whenever anyone raises the national
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  Speaker 3: interest rather than some dream about a John Lennon world
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  Speaker 3: with no countries and no borders. Anyway, today we got
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  Speaker 3: another labor luminary at the Press Club, the Climate and
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  Speaker 3: Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
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  Speaker 2: It served to.
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  Speaker 3: Show us how deluded he is and how misguided labor
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  Speaker 3: is on this energy stuff. Putting climate and energy together
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  Speaker 3: in the one portfolio is the first sign of madness.
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  Speaker 3: We need cheap, reliable power for our prosperity in a
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  Speaker 3: secure future. The climate change debate is something else entirely,
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  Speaker 3: but not for Bowen. He's intent on continuing to destroy
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  Speaker 3: our cheap energy advantage because he likes to pretend that
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  Speaker 3: by fiddling with us Australia's one percent and falling share
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  Speaker 3: of growing global emissions, we can save the planet from
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  Speaker 3: climate change. Not logical, not scientific, not rational, not doable.
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  Speaker 3: But that doesn't stop blackout Bowen. Let me just share
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  Speaker 3: a few of his delusional statements and give you a
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  Speaker 3: reality check on each one of them.
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  Speaker 4: Coal isn't baseload anymore. It's an unreliable asset. Every time
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  Speaker 4: coal breaks down, your bills go up.
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  Speaker 3: This is only because government policy for most of the
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  Speaker 3: past two decades has been directed at forcing coal out
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  Speaker 3: and ensuring there's no more investment in coal. Coal and
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  Speaker 3: gas provided more than sixty percent of the national electricity
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  Speaker 3: grid power today, as they do most days. Solar fails
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  Speaker 3: every night, and each wind turbine fails about two thirds
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  Speaker 3: of the time.
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  Speaker 4: The pace of our energy transition will only serve to
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  Speaker 4: further insulate us from the global energy insecurity, which is
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  Speaker 4: not getting any better.
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  Speaker 2: Absolute nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: Australia has more than enough coal and gas, and uranium
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  Speaker 3: for that matter, to power ourselves for centuries. Wind, solar
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  Speaker 3: and batteries are almost entirely reliant on imports from China,
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  Speaker 3: components that are often made with our iron ore and coal,
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  Speaker 3: still generating emissions, of course into the atmosphere of this planet,
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  Speaker 3: only from China rather than here, so China gets the
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  Speaker 3: jobs and profits too.
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  Speaker 4: While neither hydrogen or offshore in play a role in
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  Speaker 4: our eighty two percent target, the cost curve for both
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  Speaker 4: hasn't come down as quickly as was predicted a few
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  Speaker 4: years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Bowen has spent years sprooking offshore wind farms, overriding the
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  Speaker 3: concerns of coastal communities.
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  Speaker 2: He and Anthony Albernezi have also.
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  Speaker 3: Banged on endlessly about a green hydrogen revolution and thrown
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  Speaker 3: billions of dollars of our tax dollars at that scheme.
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  Speaker 3: We've called out this mindless malarchy from the start. Now
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  Speaker 3: they face failure energy policy on feelings and ideology instead
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  Speaker 3: of rational decisions about what works and what doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: We want to energy system that is stronger and doesn't
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  Speaker 4: cost consumers more. That's the test we've set, and that's
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  Speaker 4: the one we'll hold.
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  Speaker 2: To hang on. That's the test you have set.
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  Speaker 3: We used to have an electricity grid that was reliable, robust,
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  Speaker 3: and cheap even by global standards. Labor has made it
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  Speaker 3: more fragile and unreliable than ever and much more expensive
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  Speaker 3: than this country has seen before.
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  Speaker 4: The impacts of climate change are the number one, two,
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  Speaker 4: and three issues for the Pacific Islands. They look to
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  Speaker 4: Australia for leadership, and under this government we will retoprocate
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  Speaker 4: with action.
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  Speaker 2: Morebuncome.
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  Speaker 3: The top three issues for Pacific nations actually are their economies,
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  Speaker 3: their health, and their education.
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  Speaker 2: So Bowen is just playing political games.
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  Speaker 3: He are distracting from what really matters for our Pacific neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: And this next clip shows just how ridiculous this stuff gets.
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  Speaker 4: I've stood at the most narrow point of Tuvolu and
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  Speaker 4: see the impact of rising season. Some people deny it.
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  Speaker 4: We know it's real, and the very existence of these
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  Speaker 4: countries is at stake.
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  Speaker 3: Really he wants to run the old disappearing country's line again.
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  Speaker 2: Let's check the science.
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  Speaker 3: A number of studies have shown the low lying island
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  Speaker 3: nation of Tuvalu is actually growing. The University of Auckland
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  Speaker 3: study examined nine atolls and one hundred and one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and one reef islands between nineteen seventy one and twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 3: using aerial photographs and satellite imagery. It found eight of
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  Speaker 3: the adols and almost three quarters of the islands grew
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  Speaker 3: during the study period, lifting Tuvalu's total land mass by
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  Speaker 3: two point nine percent, even though sea levels rose at
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  Speaker 3: twice the global average. Never let the facts get in
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  Speaker 3: the way of a good story, hey, minister, these are
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  Speaker 3: the inconvenient facts. Even over the over at the ABC,
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  Speaker 3: where they desperately want this stuff not to be true,
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  Speaker 3: they ran a fact check and found that guess what,
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  Speaker 3: it checks out, Tuvalu is actually growing, not being swallowed
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  Speaker 3: by rising oceans.
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  Speaker 2: So that's it. Pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing Bowen had to say today reflected reality. He's now
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  Speaker 3: planning to spend even more of your tax dollars sub solar.
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  Speaker 3: So the main message from Bowen today is that under
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  Speaker 3: him and Albanezi, our national energy self harm will accelerate
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  Speaker 3: with reckless abandon The ABC is still refusing to apologize
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  Speaker 3: to Gina Reinhart and still has its grotesque abuse of
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  Speaker 3: her available to view on the Race Around the World
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  Speaker 3: program on its iView platform. I sent questions to the
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  Speaker 3: ABC chairman Kim Williams today asking whether he believed Reinhart
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  Speaker 3: was owed and apology and if not, why not, but
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  Speaker 3: he refused to comment. This stonewalling from the ABC is counterproductive.
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee you they will apologize eventually.
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  Speaker 2: They have to.
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  Speaker 3: The public demands it. It should have happened a week
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  Speaker 3: or so ago. Chris Bowen was actually asked about it
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  Speaker 3: at the Press Club today, and like all labor MPs,
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  Speaker 3: he struggled to state the obvious.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't seen the clip that you're referring to. It's
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  Speaker 4: not a show that I watch, but I've read the reports,
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  Speaker 4: and if the reports I've read, I write which I
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  Speaker 4: assure are then it is not appropriate, it should not
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  Speaker 4: have aired and the ABC should take appropriate action. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, no Australian, even in Australian I profoundly disagree
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  Speaker 4: with like missus Ryan Hart, should be subject to that
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  Speaker 4: sort of commentary.
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  Speaker 2: Should the ABC apologize.
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  Speaker 4: Well again, they should take a propriate action up to
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  Speaker 4: an including considering the message they should send to missus Rheinhart.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm not on the board of the ABC. The
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  Speaker 4: Menst of Communications is even not on the board of
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  Speaker 4: the ABC. But where you know, I believe in decent,
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  Speaker 4: respectful debate and civil discourse and that was not that,
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  Speaker 4: And if the clip was as I read it as,
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  Speaker 4: then yes I would expect an apology.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, they're pathetic.
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  Speaker 3: The first thing you do is click on and have
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  Speaker 3: a look at it, as we all did when it
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  Speaker 3: first became issue. But Lave is just all in a
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  Speaker 3: bind over this stuff. It's actually very very easy. Taxpayers
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  Speaker 3: fund the ABC. They don't fund it to provide foul
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  Speaker 3: abuse of its ideological targets. Under law, the ABC is
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  Speaker 3: supposed to operate with a keen eye on fairness, balance
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  Speaker 3: and quality debate. The Communications Minister should demand the ABC apologize,
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  Speaker 3: and more than that, the Prime Minister himself should demand
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  Speaker 3: that the ABC apologize unequivocally and undertake to stop doing
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  Speaker 3: this sort of thing. We're seeing an absence of leadership
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  Speaker 3: at the ABC and in the Prime Minister's office. Now,
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  Speaker 3: who should bob up on the ABC last night but
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  Speaker 3: Australia's greatest ever prime minister. Just ask him, Kevin Rudd,
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  Speaker 3: and he was asked about the rise of One Nation
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  Speaker 3: now outpolling not only the Coalition but Labor too.
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  Speaker 2: Rudd's response was pretty revealing.
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  Speaker 3: Just listen to the issues that Rudd tells us one
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  Speaker 3: Nation is ill equipped to tackle and ask yourself how
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  Speaker 3: well Labour's been handling them.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's very easy to play the politics of protest.
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  Speaker 5: It's very hard to do the grinding business of government,
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  Speaker 5: which looks after practical problems of national security, such as
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  Speaker 5: you and I have been discussing here this evening of
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  Speaker 5: the economy and growing it, environmental sustainability so that we
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  Speaker 5: don't all exhaust and expire the planet through climate change,
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  Speaker 5: and delivering basic services for the Australian people, including housing affordability,
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  Speaker 5: which has been eating away so badly that people standard
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  Speaker 5: living over a long period of time. The hard business
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  Speaker 5: of government is to come up with practical responses to
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  Speaker 5: each of those challenges. The easy business politics is simply
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  Speaker 5: to act as a protest vector and lase it and
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  Speaker 5: spice it with the politics of race. That's what missus
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  Speaker 5: Hanson's been doing ever since she emerged in my fair
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  Speaker 5: state of Queensland a quarter of a century ago. His
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  Speaker 5: script hasn't changed. But ask this question of yourselves, what
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  Speaker 5: single answer does she have to any of the list
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  Speaker 5: of problems and challenges which I went through before. Zip
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  Speaker 5: is the answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: Zip.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go through his stuff like we do with Chris Bowen.
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  Speaker 3: One nation as a protest party. Fair enough, But that's
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  Speaker 3: precisely because there's plenty to protest against national defense.
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  Speaker 2: He lists, Wow, how's labor doing there?
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  Speaker 3: Dud subs slow on drones, military short on for recruits,
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  Speaker 3: government not standing up to Chinese intimidation, but instead having
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  Speaker 3: people like Rud bagging our main security. Ally the US,
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  Speaker 3: The question really is could anyone do worse?
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  Speaker 2: Then?
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  Speaker 3: Rudd talks about growing the economy. Labour's given us a defforts.
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  Speaker 3: It's a debt up, taxes up, immigration at record levels,
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  Speaker 3: spending at record highs, inflation up, interest rates up, and
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  Speaker 3: the economy barely growing. He reckons one nation couldn't do
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  Speaker 3: as well as that, I'd hope not.
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  Speaker 2: Then we get the old exhaust and expire the planet. Nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: Well, guess what, mister Rudster, According to the science, destroying
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  Speaker 3: our electricity grid and manufacturing base and rural industries won't
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  Speaker 3: make a jot of difference to the global climate.
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  Speaker 2: And he mentions basic services.
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  Speaker 3: Has he noticed hospital waiting lists, the state of the roads.
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  Speaker 2: Public transport, probably not from the US.
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  Speaker 3: And housing affordability, He serially, seriously says, one nation would
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  Speaker 3: have to prove themselves on housing affordability. Mate, it's a
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  Speaker 3: full blown crisis now under Labor. Then he throws in
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  Speaker 3: the tired old races slur. Yeah, we always see that
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  Speaker 3: with One Nation. And in the end he says, Pauline
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  Speaker 3: Hanson and One Nation have zip idea.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to fixing any of this.
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  Speaker 3: He might be right, who knows, but we do know
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  Speaker 3: for sure that Labor has no idea. The reason One
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  Speaker 3: Nation is so popular at the moment is because Rudd
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  Speaker 3: and now Elbow, and too often the coalition in between
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  Speaker 3: as well, have all had ZIP idea either and ZIP
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  Speaker 3: success on the key issues, especially on economic management. So
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  Speaker 3: Rudd's list, sadly is actually a list of major party
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  Speaker 3: failures that highlights exactly why.
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  Speaker 2: One nation is surging.
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  Speaker 3: Just before I go on with the rest of the program,
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  Speaker 3: I want to share with you part of an interview
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  Speaker 3: that I'm going to bring you tomorrow night. We've talks
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  Speaker 3: about the future of Gaza occurring this week between the
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  Speaker 3: so called Board of Peace and the Israeli government.
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  Speaker 2: There is renewed hope that.
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  Speaker 3: Hamas might eventually be convinced to disarm to give Palestinians
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  Speaker 3: another chance at peace. So I've caught up with Ahmed
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  Speaker 3: al Katib, who grew up in.
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  Speaker 2: Gaza and now lives in the US.
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  Speaker 3: He's very clear about who's destroyed life for Gazans.
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  Speaker 1: I very much so believe that Hamas and the Islamist
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  Speaker 1: groups and the terror groups are a clear and a
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  Speaker 1: present existential threat to the people of Gaza. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: speaking specifically about Gaza. I think my family would still
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  Speaker 1: be alive, tens of thousands of Palaestinians would still be alive,
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  Speaker 1: most of Gaza would not be destroyed. If hamas had
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  Speaker 1: simply made different choices on October seven.
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  Speaker 2: That interview here tomorrow night. Don't miss it now.
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  Speaker 3: The most secretive corruption investigation in Victoria history has found
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  Speaker 3: that Daniel Andrews government engaged in serious and concerning conduct
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  Speaker 3: in its dealings with the Firefighters Union and failed to
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  Speaker 3: respect processes, conventions and codes of conduct. The union boss
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  Speaker 3: Peter Marshall has responded by attacking the commission.
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  Speaker 6: What we're seeing here is a very much created writing.
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  Speaker 6: But let's talk about rights, IBACK, about enforcing rights in
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  Speaker 6: the community and indeed making sure community X and pay
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  Speaker 6: expectations are upheld. Tell me, would you like your phone
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  Speaker 6: calls monitored by strangers when you're actually having a discussion
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  Speaker 6: with your wife, having a discussion with your partner, having
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  Speaker 6: a discussion with your medical practitioner. Would you like your
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  Speaker 6: home raided and every document nothing to do with enterprise
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  Speaker 6: agreement seized by IBACK kept by IBACK personal records?
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  Speaker 2: Would you like that?
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Melbourne now and catch up with Victoria's
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  Speaker 3: shadow Attorney General As Newbury. Thanks for joining us, James.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if you could kick off. There was no
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  Speaker 3: direct finding of corruption here, so just summarize for us
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  Speaker 3: what the Corruption Commission's findings were against the Andrews government.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think this is going to be breaking
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  Speaker 7: news for the watchers tonight, but this government is rotten.
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  Speaker 7: It's been rotten under Daniel Andrews. It was rotten under
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  Speaker 7: just Cintra Allen, and guess what, it's still rotten under
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  Speaker 7: Ben Carroll. And I think one of the most damning
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  Speaker 7: things of this report is his hand pick secretary, Ben
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  Speaker 7: Carroll's hand pick secretary has been found well, very very damning,
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  Speaker 7: very damning finding against him. And guess what, He's still
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  Speaker 7: in the job. Taxpayers are paying for him to be
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  Speaker 7: in that job. And you say to yourself, okay, so
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  Speaker 7: where's the Premier been today to explain why his most
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  Speaker 7: senior bureaucrat is still in the job. He's been hiding
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  Speaker 7: all day. The Premier hasn't even come out to explain
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  Speaker 7: why this guy's still in his job.
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  Speaker 3: He would have thought it was something that requires a
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  Speaker 3: detailed response from the Premier.
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  Speaker 2: Ben Carroll, He's only been in the job a week.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, he's what he did have to say.
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  Speaker 8: It is intolerable. I will take action. I will accept
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  Speaker 8: the recommendations and get on with implementing them. We will
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  Speaker 8: pars legislation to give ieback the powers that it has
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  Speaker 8: been asking for.
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  Speaker 2: And that is what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: And James have also heard from Daniel Andrews today rejecting
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  Speaker 3: these findings.
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  Speaker 7: Daniel Andrews, who this premier is building.
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  Speaker 9: A statue for, don't forget about that one. We're in
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  Speaker 9: Victoria paying a couple one hundred thousand dollars, which is
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  Speaker 9: what will end up costing to build a godlike statue
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  Speaker 9: to this guy. I mean, how perverse We've got iback
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  Speaker 9: findings saying Daniel Andrews.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we all know about Daniel Andrews, and we're putting
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  Speaker 7: the bill for a statue. We're also footing a bill
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  Speaker 7: for a guy who's one of the most senior public
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  Speaker 7: bureaucrats in this state, who's been found to have failed
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  Speaker 7: the integrity test. I tell you what, in Victoria, it's rotten.
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  Speaker 7: It's just rotten from the top to the bottom.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think that's clear to anybody who's been paying
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  Speaker 3: any tention from around the country. Of course, you know
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  Speaker 3: Ben Current and Carol. There's an attempt there to have
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  Speaker 3: a new face and to start ahead, and I like
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  Speaker 3: to call it the year zero strategy. They'll try and
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  Speaker 3: pretend that anything that happened before last week has got
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with him.
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  Speaker 2: So you mentioned his hand picked secretary.
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  Speaker 3: What are the links between Ben Carroll and the decisions
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  Speaker 3: and the operations that were made under this investor that
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  Speaker 3: we're investigated in this inquiry.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the person I'm speaking about who's central to this
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  Speaker 7: report was then put in by Ben Carroll as head
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  Speaker 7: his own department. So as this investigation was ongoing, this
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  Speaker 7: fellow was put in to head Ben Carroll's department. And
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  Speaker 7: what he then said in the interview you played shortly
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  Speaker 7: thereafter was but I haven't read any of the detail.
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  Speaker 7: I can't speak to the detail of the report because
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  Speaker 7: I haven't read it. You know what this government has
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  Speaker 7: been good at in the past is spin and frankly
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  Speaker 7: tricking Victorians because Victorians are good people. They think when
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  Speaker 7: you know, someone stands up and says something, they mean it.
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  Speaker 7: But I think what we've all learned in Victoria is
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  Speaker 7: it's all spin and corruption. Fifteen billion dollars of corruption
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  Speaker 7: on government projects is just now. I mean it's cool
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  Speaker 7: business in Victoria. I mean corruption is at the core
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  Speaker 7: of everything and it's time to clean it up. We've
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  Speaker 7: got to fix Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Well this is the hero and now right you've got
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  Speaker 3: to have this Royal commission into construction to look at
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  Speaker 3: the big build. Ben Carroll said he'll deliver that Royal commission.
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  Speaker 3: You know on the cusp of an election. You'll see
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  Speaker 3: see no evidence brought out before the election.
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  Speaker 2: What's the process here?
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  Speaker 3: How are you going to get a commission that the
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  Speaker 3: opposition is happy with? Or should it wait till after
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  Speaker 3: the election.
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  Speaker 7: Look, we don't think Labor will ebor deliver a Royal
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  Speaker 7: commission that's anything else other than a sham. I mean
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  Speaker 7: we've said people like Daniel Andrews and just Cindrell and
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  Speaker 7: Ben Carroll must appear before the Royal Commission. He wouldn't
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  Speaker 7: even commit to that. You know, the base the absolute
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: basics I've said, it has to absolutely look at what
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: donations the Labor Party received, what union money went through
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: to Labor because if corrupted money went to unions and
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: then back to Labor through you know, the slush fund,
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: we deserve to know about it. He wouldn't even commit
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: to these basics. No one should believe that labor will
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: ever conduct a Royal commission in any way that will
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: get to the bottom of the corruption and crimes that
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: I suspect have occurred. Only we can, and only we will,
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: and I can tell you we will deliver the toughest
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: royal commission. I think Australia's ever seen.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Fascinating times, James, thanks for joining us. James Newbury there
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the shadow Attorney General in Victoria. That election of course
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: due in November. We're going to take a break.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: On the other side, We're going to check you in
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: on what's become a bit of a forgotten war, with
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: innocence being killed on both sides.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: In the Ukraine War, Tom Switzer will join me.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Russia has been accused of a war crime by Ukraine
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: after a street vendor was stalked and then attacked by
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: a drone. The man suffered shrapp in the wounds, concussion
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and shot from the attack, but survived. The video was
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: shared by Ukraine President Vladimir Zelenski on telegram. Let's bring
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: in Tom Switzer, columnists with the Australian.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Good to see Tom.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: This is one of those minor incidents in a war
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that gets a lot of attention.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Globally.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: First of all, reminds us that this war is going
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: on and the impact the Ukraine's having as well, because
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: just the other day a Ukraine drone crashed on the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: beat into the beach of the Black Sea, killing seven
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: innocent Russians. So innocents are getting wounded and killed here
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: on both sides.
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: Well, Look, both sides are playing hardball to inflict maximum
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: damage on each other so that they relent. And the
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: reality is that Russia will continue to play hardball because
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: they will want to ensure that Ukraine does not become
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: a Western bulwark on its borders. And as for the Ukrainians,
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: they're fighting for dear life. They want their twenty percent
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: of their land back.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a massive power imbalance between to two countries,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: but Ukraine's been able to inflict an enormous amount of
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: damage across the border in Moscow and elsewhere the power
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: of drone warfare.
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: About a year or two ago, there was a consensus
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: view emerging that Ukraine was in all sorts of trouble.
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: But the drone warfare has certainly changed things. But the
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: reality on the ground, Chris, is that Russia is slowly
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: but surely moving further westwoods, and they have twenty percent
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: of Ukraine, and they have control obviously of the crime
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: And Peninsula, which is the home of the Russian Black
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: Sea Fleet.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: What about the patients of the NATO countries and the
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: US for defending Ukraine. Presumably that holds up because even
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: if there's no prospect of a settlement, because they want
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the battle filled there rather than closer to home.
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: Well, that's one interpretation. The other interpretation is that Russia
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: is a declining great power, that it's already bogged down
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: in Dombas and it's incapable of trying to impose its
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: will and leadership across Eastern and Central Europe. I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: the whole notion that Putin wants to revive the Russian Empire,
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: I think is overstated. What's happened here, and this is
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: a minority of view, immedtedly, is that Russia wants to
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: make sure, as I said before, Ukraine does not become
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: a Western bulwark on its borders, and they see NATO
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: expansion as a threat to its strategic sensibilities.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I want to bring you back to Australian defense and
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: foreign policy and the the Assistant's Defense Minister or Defense
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Industry Minister Pat Conroy said this on the ABC the
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: other day.
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: Submarine Rotation Force West is due to come to an
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: end in the early twenty thirties.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: I just want to understand that you saying that US
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: submarines will not be passing through Sterling after twenty thirty two.
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: The current plan for Submarine Rotation Force West is that
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: it's a five year commitment beginning in twenty twenty seven,
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: and that when we're sovereign ready and receive our own Virginias,
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: Submarine Rotation Force West is due to end.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So this is a five year commitment.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: This was extraordinary because that news was new to the
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Pentagon and new even to his own government.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: He's in Washington when he makes it safely, I mean
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: Greg Sheridan, our colleague, wrote a very good column in
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: the Australian newspaper yesterday that is Tuesday, just absolutely beside
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: himself about how incoherent and incompetent the Labor government has
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: been on this subject.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Now, the point is completely wrong here.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: You else will be expected and Australia has agreed that
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: US submarines will continue to use that port.
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: Input well, it was left to the defensive minister who
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: I think is a political grown up, Richard Marles. He
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: came through to mop up the damage and reaffirmed what
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: the line is. Look, there are two ways of looking
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: at this. One view is that Anthony Alberesi, who is
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: the disciple of Tom Uren, the anti American labor minister
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: in the Whitlam government. Anthony Alberesi, both in opposition and
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: in government, has done the right thing by keeping in
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: place the foreign policy settings ORCUS, the quad all designed
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: to essentially contain China. It doesn't say that, but that's
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: essentially what this is about. So he deserves credit there.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: But on the other hand, he and some of his
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: ministers have been completely incoherent about what Orcust means, how
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: long it's going to last.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: For well, he deserves credit because for doing I suppose
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: you look at it the other way, because if he
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: undercut this deal it would be one of the worst
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: decisions by an Australian government ever. Right, But you get
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to the heart of the matter, and that is that
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you have some sort of right faction grown ups in
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: the gap.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But you think of Don Farrell, you think.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Of Richard Marles. But it's essentially run by the socialist left.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: To Penny Wong and Anthony Alberanezi, it's not in their
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: instincts to support the US Alliance and a future deal.
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: Like Traditionally speaking, the left wing of the ALP has
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: opposed the US alt I suppose all the various initiatives
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: to enhance military corporation, even at the height of the
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: Cold War, so it's not surprising. What is interesting, though,
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: is at Albo, a man of a left, a disciple
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: of Tommy Wren, he is keeping faith with orcist he
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: is that's the word recognizing despite the nonsense of Pat Conroy.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: But it worries me because it's so clearly not a
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: natural fit for many in the Labor Party.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But and Colin's worth reading good, it sure is.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Don't plug Greg's Colum, plug my Colin and yours.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Catch you next week exactly. We're going to get to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a break on the other side.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Went across to the UK where Britain's now battling more
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: boat loads of illegal immigrants. So cross to Sophie Osworth,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: don't go away, let's got to London and catch up
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: with News Corp European Correspondent and News twenty four contributa
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: of course, says Sophie Ollsworth.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Sophie.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I want to get to your reports first up on
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: this latest disaster. It could have been a tragedy with
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy three illegal immigrants trying to get
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: across from Europe to Britain, all rescued.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Thankfully. Is that as there's trouble with the boat, but jeez,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: it could have been a lot worse.
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: Great to be with you, Chris.
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: Look, this was absolutely shocking scenes yesterday near the English border,
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: and as we know, many English vessels intervene to rescue
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: these illegal migrants trying to get into the UK. Now, Chris,
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: you know I love showing our viewers the front page,
• 27:50
  Speaker 13: but we've got the front pages here today of the
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: Daily Express saying how many more lives will you risk
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: by doing nothing?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: This is really a war to British Prime Minister Andy
• 28:02
  Speaker 13: Burnham that something must be done. Now he's only been
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: in office a few weeks. He's been very silent on
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: this issue, Chris. He's now on holidays and we've got
• 28:12
  Speaker 13: these disasters unfolding and it shows that the UK is
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: still all these years on unable to get control of
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: its borders.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's an important point.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: That headline was very important, I think because when you
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: think back to the Australian debate, that sort of turned
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the tide for a lot of people who were sort
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: of weak on this issue, thinking, oh, everyone who wants
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: to get.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: In deserves a chance here.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: When they understood just how dangerous the people smuggling business
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: was and how many lives were being lost or put
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: at risk, it helped them understand that there's all sorts
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: of reasons that border security matters and makes sense. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Nigel Farraars has been focusing on the Australia's success in
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: this area, saying that he might follow our lead down
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: that path.
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: Here he is, they tried offshore processing, they tried a
• 28:58
  Speaker 14: number of things, and what worked was tewing the boats
• 29:02
  Speaker 14: back to Indonesia and since then hardly a boat has
• 29:07
  Speaker 14: landed in Australia. I am entirely confident, but under reform government,
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: within a fortnite there would be no more boats.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I think he's got there slightly wrong there, because it
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: was the whole suite of policies, including the tobaks that worked.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: But certainly those strong policies work. The thing is that, Sophie,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the Conservatives in the UK have looked at Australia's policies
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: and even had Alexander Downer helping them out to devise
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: these policies. But they even had that Rwanda option. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: they've never been able, neither Conservative or Labor governments to
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: enforce proper border security.
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: And this is the problem, Chris, both on both sides
• 29:49
  Speaker 13: of the political spectrum. Neither government's past or present have
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: been able to take control of this. And this is
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: where Nigel Frage is really ramming home this issue and
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: winning in the polls. He's now back on top of
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: the polls after being behind Labor last week by a point.
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: But this is the hot button issue here in the UK,
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: and Chris, it is quite astounding. But you can just
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: roll in on a boat here, be put up in accommodation,
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: given money, given services, and live here freely for quite
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: some time without really any identification in some cases. It
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: is a serious, serious problem and the UK cannot get
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: control of this.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're absolutely right to the politics
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: of this obvious. The major parties are failing a reform
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: off as a different approach it's so important.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And of course we saw.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: In Morocco in the Spanish enclave there on Morocco on
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: North Africa, again a reminder of just how crucial this
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: stuff is. You need the right laws, and you need
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: the right policies, and you need the right to military
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and security power behind it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: You do, indeed, Chris. And there's concerns after those scenes
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: we saw in Morocco and Spain last week with tens
• 31:03
  Speaker 13: of thousands of migrants are crossing into Suita, there's concerns
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: that they would eventually.
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: Come through into Britain.
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: But Britain cannot control its borders and it has it's
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: been very weak on this issue. It's been able to
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: get a handle of it. And it's pretty fair to say, Chris,
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: Britain's are fed up to the back teeth of this issue.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet they are. And in this climate, I'm
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I got to ask you about this, so I can't
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: quite believe this. I hope you can explain it for us.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: But in this climate, with so much going on, with
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: so many important issues to deal with, and a new
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: prime minister barely with his boots under the desk, he's
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: apparently going on two weeks leave a two week holiday,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: how come.
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: Well, Chris, he's off this week, He's off for a week.
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: He's only been in office two weeks now. August is
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: pretty much like our January in Australia. Everything shuts down,
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: Parliament's closed, it's in recess until September. It is a
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: good time to take a break. But Chris, if you're
• 32:01
  Speaker 13: the top dog in an organization, if you're the top
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: dog in the country, you would expect after two weeks
• 32:07
  Speaker 13: you're still in the job. No one is denying that
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: Andy Burnham should have a holiday.
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: But it doesn't look right, objicts. So we've got people
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: rolling in now, we've got rolling in Chris that we've
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: got legal migrants arriving, and he's somewhere with his feet
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: up and his bathers on and kicking back and maybe
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: drinking the heroes.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look. It's not a good look
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: He's only he could be up at Checkers, of course,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the Prime ministerial sort.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Of rural retreat.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: He could be there having meetings and telling everyone who's
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: formulating policy to try and fix the joint But he's
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: off drinking me you know, as you say, unbelievable. Thanks
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: for joining us, Sophie, appreciate it. So feel's worth brilliant
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: as ever. They're live from London. Let's go live to
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Alice Springs now and catch up with just into Namba
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: jimber Price.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: He's the shadow Small Business Minister.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Great to catch up with you, just into first up
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: in your portfolio area. Really the labour gavernm now putting
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: out there the revisions to its budget tax measures, getting
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: rid of things like the widow's tax and discretionory trust taxes,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: supposedly fixing these unintended consequences of their budget madness.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: So what's your response? Had a look at it yet?
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: Oh look, Chris, this is demonstrable of a government, a
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: pig headed government that decides to create policy that hasn't
• 33:28
  Speaker 15: been well thought through, where consultation hasn't taken place, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: they've taken a ham fisted approach to just ram it through.
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: They had every opportunity at the last sitting week.
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: That we had in Canberra in Parliament.
• 33:42
  Speaker 15: To do the right thing, to not ram these policies,
• 33:47
  Speaker 15: this legislation through and to fix the issues of widow tax,
• 33:52
  Speaker 15: you know, but they'd.
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: Been warned they'd been worn.
• 33:55
  Speaker 15: We already told them of the consequences of what it
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: might mean to in these vulnerable situations, to those in
• 34:03
  Speaker 15: domestic violence situations, and how they would be impacted by
• 34:09
  Speaker 15: these policies. But they didn't listen because they didn't want
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: to listen, because they obviously know what's best.
• 34:14
  Speaker 16: And now they're scrambling to do.
• 34:17
  Speaker 15: A patch up job and they're putting themselves on the
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: back for it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 16: At the same time, if to say, well.
• 34:23
  Speaker 15: We knew this was going to be the case, if
• 34:25
  Speaker 15: they knew, why do it in the first place.
• 34:27
  Speaker 16: This is not how you should govern a country.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extraordinary.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And of course the real estate market is in turmoil
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and the latest projection suggesting that's going to get a
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: lot worse. I want to get you on immigration as well,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: because obviously the Coalition has toughened up its immigration policies
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: under Angus Taylor. One nation have been ringing the alarm
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: bills about immigration for some time. Labor admits that its
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: immigration levels have been too high, and Tony Burke was
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: going to announce a new policy tomorrow but he's backed
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: out of it. So obviously there are plenty of socialists
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: left members of cabinet who don't like clamping or reducing
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: our immigration intake.
• 35:08
  Speaker 15: Well again it's those socialist members of their cabinet that
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: are helping to destroy this country. And this is just
• 35:14
  Speaker 15: again demonstrates a government that is divided behind the closed doors.
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: They're divided. They don't know what they want to press
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: forward with or not. You know how embarrassing that Tony
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: burk as the Minister, had to pull out of his
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: National Press Club address at the last minute. You know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: and as it is right now, there are more than
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: two point eight million temporary visa holders since the end
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: of June. We know that immigration is having a detrimental
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: impact on our country, on our infrastructure, on our services,
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: and this government has created that problem to the point
• 35:53
  Speaker 15: where it is now. So it's no wonder once more
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: they're scrambling to try and find solutions and come up
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: with a come up the right solutions. But evidently there
• 36:01
  Speaker 15: are those that want to continue down the path that
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: we're currently going down. I mean, it's why we've warned
• 36:06
  Speaker 15: them as a coalition, we've warned them. It's why we
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: will ensure that we will bring about immigration that is
• 36:14
  Speaker 15: sustainable for our country, that speaks to the fact that
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: we need those come into our country who are going
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: to fill the right their appropriate gaps in terms of
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: skill that we need where there's shortages, but also make
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: sure that places like the Regional Australia in the Northern
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: Territory don't miss out on those with the skills that
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: we need in this country. But this government, they're realizing
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: all the chickens are coming home to roost right now
• 36:40
  Speaker 15: and this is so evident before us.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and related to all that is social cohesion. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: just want to get your thoughts on what we've seen
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: at the Bondai Royal Commission over the past couple of days.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I highlighted this last night with Alex Rivchin, but you've
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: got the situation where lawyers for the Palestinian protesters are
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: actually questioning Jewish Australians about the policies of the Israeli
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: government in Gaza, almost as if they're trying to justify
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: the horrific protest at the Opera House and the sorts
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: of things we've seen since have listened to Dominic Toomey,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: one of these lawyers, I want.
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: To suggest to you that you have seen nothing that
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: has emanated from the organizers of the rally, namely the
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: Palestine Action Group, which would suggest in any way that
• 37:32
  Speaker 17: the rally was being convened to celebrate those despicable attacks.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Now that's another point which I'll come to in a moment.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: But first up, where they're interrogating the Jewish people about
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the policies in the Middle East, how could that possibly
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: justify the hatred we've seen on the streets here.
• 37:51
  Speaker 16: Yeah, look, it's disgusting.
• 37:53
  Speaker 15: I mean, David Ossip was right to bring the inquiry
• 37:57
  Speaker 15: back to what its central purpose was, which is about
• 38:01
  Speaker 15: ensuring that the rates of anti Semitism that we're hearing
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: from witnesses, the Jewish witnesses in our communities that are
• 38:08
  Speaker 15: now fearful to send their own children to school in
• 38:10
  Speaker 15: their uniforms for crying out. Now, this is fundamentally what
• 38:13
  Speaker 15: it is about. This is not about those opportunists to
• 38:17
  Speaker 15: make this about a running commentary of foreign military or
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: a conflict taking place in the Middle East or the
• 38:26
  Speaker 15: history of the Middle East.
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  Speaker 16: This is not what this is about.
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  Speaker 15: This is about anti Semitism in our country in Australia
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  Speaker 15: and the fact that it needs to be taken away.
• 38:35
  Speaker 15: It needs to be brought to the surface, to the light,
• 38:39
  Speaker 15: and the right thing needs to be done by the
• 38:41
  Speaker 15: Jewish community in our country, and not an opportunity for
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: these activist types to attempt to make excuses for the
• 38:52
  Speaker 15: horrible behavior which occurred two days after the October seven attacks.
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  Speaker 3: For Dominic to me there to suggest that there's no
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: evidence there was there any sense of celebration. That was
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the whole tone of everything about that protest at the
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Opera House.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: It was celebrating the slaughter.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Of Israelis and threatening Jews in Australia. And you only
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: had to go to the previous night with Shaikh Dudune
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: in Lakember saying this was a night of victory, a
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: night of triumph. He was most overtly celebrating.
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  Speaker 2: So they're living in an alternative universe.
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  Speaker 3: And I wonder how the Royal Commissioner could allow her commission.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: To be a place to amplify this sort of hatred.
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  Speaker 15: Precisely, right, Chris, I mean, the Royal Commission is not
• 39:47
  Speaker 15: there to allow for the activist class to gaslight Jewish
• 39:53
  Speaker 15: people in this country, to utilize the Royal Commission for
• 39:58
  Speaker 15: this purpose at all. We've had enough of We've had
• 40:00
  Speaker 15: a gutful of it. It cannot continue, and you're absolutely right.
• 40:04
  Speaker 15: It shouldn't be used in this particular form, in this
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: particular way. And as I said, the Jewish people of
• 40:11
  Speaker 15: our country deserve a hell of a lot more than
• 40:14
  Speaker 15: this level of conduct. That is blatant anti Semitism as
• 40:18
  Speaker 15: far as I'm concerned, and there is no place for
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: it in our country.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, just said, I appreciate it. Just
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: in it now.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: But Jim's price there joining us live from Alice Springs.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: On the other side of that, we'll have the Wednesday
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Wrangle with James and Justin. We'll get their thoughts on
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Kevin later. Kevin runs the latest Words of Wisdom. Let's
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: get into the Wednesday Wrangle and joining us from the
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Corrupt State of Victoria is a columnist Justin Smith, broadcaster
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: and author as well, and on the desk here with
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: me is a digital guru, James Bolt, who's a refugee from.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, you're both Richmond support us, so that's
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: nothing to be excited about at the moment. Either give
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: us you that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: What's worse being a Richmond supporter of Victorian it's back.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: What do you make of all about the corruption stuff
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: that not quite corruption stuff justin.
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: Yeah, it falls a bit short, doesn't it. It's incredible.
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: I think one of the things there about you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 18: they're sort of firing a few shots at the union
• 41:27
  Speaker 18: heavyweights like Peter Marshall. If you are Peter Marshall and
• 41:31
  Speaker 18: you've got the opportunity to sit down with the government
• 41:33
  Speaker 18: and do a deal and the dealers in your favor,
• 41:35
  Speaker 18: why the hell wouldn't you take it? I guess isn't
• 41:37
  Speaker 18: it then up to the government to do the deal properly.
• 41:41
  Speaker 18: What I don't like about it is that it's been
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: so hidden for so long. I think that's what leaves
• 41:47
  Speaker 18: the nasty taste in the mouth. And we still don't
• 41:49
  Speaker 18: know everything yet, and it's not it's not good.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I think when you.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Expect people to show integrity and the respect codes of
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: conduct and proper process, you're time to expect that from
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: both sides, both the government and the people they're dealing with.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: But let me move on to Chris bow and I
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: had a pretty good crack at him at the top
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: of the program, and I want to get James's thoughts.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot to pick out, but let's go
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: back to this particular comment from the Climate and Energy Minister.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: We want to energy system that is stronger and doesn't
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: cost consumers more. That's the test we've set and that's
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: the one we'll hold to.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So this bloke thinks this is the test.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: He's taken a cheap, reliable energy system, made it more
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: unreliable and expensive than it's ever been.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: He's completely failed his own test.
• 42:38
  Speaker 19: I was going to say, yeah, if only we could
• 42:40
  Speaker 19: think of a resource that's out there that's both incredibly
• 42:43
  Speaker 19: reliable and also affordable, But you know, it's just not
• 42:46
  Speaker 19: ever occurred to Chris Bowen. And he started that speech
• 42:49
  Speaker 19: by saying like, oh, I get you know, this is
• 42:51
  Speaker 19: a speech in camera, but it's not about camera. I've
• 42:54
  Speaker 19: got to agree. I think that speech was one hundred
• 42:55
  Speaker 19: percent about Turkey. I think that was broadcasting. I'm Chris
• 42:58
  Speaker 19: Bowen and here's my big international message. And all the
• 43:02
  Speaker 19: Australian taxpayers that get left behind by this they just
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: had to suck it up.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Well, he had the Turkey climate guy there, yeah, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: it was all about how Chris Bowen's going to save
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the planet.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Bugger Australia. I'm saving the planet.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll get myself a cushy un job after my
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: time in politicscept He also had this to say about
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: tu Vaulu.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Let's revisit this one.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I've stood at the most narrow point of tu Vulu
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: and see the impact of rising seas. Some people deny it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: We know it's real and the very existence of these
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: countries is at stake.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Justin this is just wrong. Tu Valu is getting bigger.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: And yet when you stand on a low lying island country,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: guess what. You can see the ocean and see that
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: it's low lying. But the science says it's getting bigger.
• 43:46
  Speaker 18: Well, look, I'm going to I'm not going to enter
• 43:48
  Speaker 18: to that particular location. I'll let you and Chris Bowen
• 43:53
  Speaker 18: knuck that one out. But do you You must admit
• 43:56
  Speaker 18: that the climate does need saving, the planet does need
• 43:59
  Speaker 18: some need to do something. At least can the three
• 44:02
  Speaker 18: of us agree that we can't go on the way
• 44:06
  Speaker 18: that we're going on.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Can we?
• 44:09
  Speaker 18: No, you would agree with that that the climate does
• 44:11
  Speaker 18: need saving.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I don't agree that the climate needs saving. I agree
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: that we need to look at our environment. A former
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I'm a former park Ranger. I believe in looking after
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: the environment. I think we're spending way too much time
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: trying to save the climate because guess what, mate, you
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: can't save the climate.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Hate to break it to you, but you can't do that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 18: So you don't believe climate change is real. Let's just
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: clear it up here. You don't believe it too.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I'm doing the interview here. Look, I talk about this
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: all the time, mate.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows that I follow science, and I know that
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the climate has always changed, and I know that human
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: beings maybe having a significant effect on that, most likely
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: an effect that's probably not as dramatic as many thick.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: But we can't fix it, mate, Australia can't fix it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: That's the science. That's what we're to get a hit around, James,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: would destroy our economy pretending what we do is going
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: to improve the climate.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: It won't.
• 45:06
  Speaker 19: It's so interesting that so many of the solutions through
• 45:09
  Speaker 19: the climate problem are all about the most you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 19: just this toxic way of hurting us in the current
• 45:15
  Speaker 19: because we think it's going to help our lives in
• 45:17
  Speaker 19: the future. And it's it becomes almost evangelical. It's like
• 45:21
  Speaker 19: the sins of the world of course by car. Therefore
• 45:23
  Speaker 19: we need to get rid of it now rather than
• 45:24
  Speaker 19: investing in things that can you know, like look, renewables
• 45:27
  Speaker 19: are going to get cheaper, but the market is going
• 45:29
  Speaker 19: to decide that. The market decides everything like that the
• 45:32
  Speaker 19: way the government can just cut off or researche.
• 45:35
  Speaker 18: And that's not going to happen straight away. You've got
• 45:39
  Speaker 18: to build into these things.
• 45:41
  Speaker 19: Make the thing that's just so many people being able
• 45:46
  Speaker 19: to afford their bills, like they just get caught up
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: and then can't get a voice.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: If look justin if you and Chris Bowen and Kevin
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Rudd and Anthony Albernesi and Penny Wong.
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: I'm not all leave if you a rubbish argument mate.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: If you all believe this tosh that we're all going
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: to be swamped by boiling oceans and countries are going
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: to disappear and it's.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Going to be too hot to live, the thing you would.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Be doing right now is trying to switch everything to
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: nuclear power, because it's there, it's ready, it's available. Instead,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you're pretending around it's a joke.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: You're sending us your roke.
• 46:25
  Speaker 18: You're trying to turn my into a you're trying to
• 46:29
  Speaker 18: turn my argument into crisp your argument. You you know
• 46:34
  Speaker 18: that I've talked about nuclear before. Your argument and problem
• 46:37
  Speaker 18: with that, your argument is idiotic. That better, your argument
• 46:40
  Speaker 18: is idiotic. You're trying to tell idiotic.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: You're trying to tell us that what it's it's going
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: to kill us, and we can stop it, we can
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: save it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just nonsensical.
• 46:49
  Speaker 18: It's a it's it's kindergarten stud that if human beings
• 46:52
  Speaker 18: can save it, human beings are able to save it.
• 46:55
  Speaker 18: I'm not saying Australia. Of course, Australia on its own,
• 46:58
  Speaker 18: it's not going to be able to say listen, if
• 47:00
  Speaker 18: you're going to miss me, I'm not sure you do
• 47:02
  Speaker 18: it with some of the right words.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I look forward to getting up to Beijing and getting
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: good China to save the planet. That'll be an interesting
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: exercise I do just while we're on saving the planet.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, no one would.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Fly, none of us would fly on holidays if we
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: wanted to save the planet. But those people who are
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: going to fly in the future on jetspart jet start
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: apparently going to have to pay about fifty bucks to
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: put a bag in the overhead lockers. Here's what the
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: travelers are telling us about this idea today.
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: Fifty dollars from Sydney to Bali just to put bags
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: in the overhead locker.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's definitely too much. Yeah, oh that's crazy.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah crazy.
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: I think that's pretty steep, being a.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: Family friendly value air flights getting a bit more expensible
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: that ons.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous, surrogon. Yeah, we pay enough for flights anyway.
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: Do you think in steitches jetsar if that was the.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Case, Probably not. No, you would have saved Chappelle Corby
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of trouble. She would have left the boogie
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: board in the Bali Hi, what do you reckon?
• 48:05
  Speaker 19: What I don't like about this is it's going to
• 48:07
  Speaker 19: encourage so many travelers to not put their luggage overhead
• 48:10
  Speaker 19: but put it under the seat in front of them,
• 48:12
  Speaker 19: which is then going to encourage them to shift their
• 48:13
  Speaker 19: legs over into my lego and therefore it is going
• 48:16
  Speaker 19: to encourage them to make my flight experience worse. So
• 48:19
  Speaker 19: I've got a lot of problems with this idea.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sad news.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: It's going to be good for quadas, So I'm afraid
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: it's going to become a monopoly. You can't fly on
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Virgin because they have dogs on board, and you can't
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: fly on Jetstack because they're chucking paying you, charging you
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: to check stuff up there.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So Connas is the only option. Gordy, Hell, there we go.
• 48:37
  Speaker 19: Chris Bowen wins in the end. It just makes so
• 48:39
  Speaker 19: many different airlines have these awful policies to stop you
• 48:42
  Speaker 19: flying anyway.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: It won't affect you justin because you're saving the planet.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: You won't be flying, You'll be riding your bike on holidays.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, gentlemen. Right out of Tiger. We're
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: going to bag her off now and hand over to
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Peter Cridlin. I'll see you tomorrow.