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Perfect Marriage Doesn't Exist · Nick and Kristen in the Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Nick and Kristen in the podcast.
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  I'm Nick, that's Kristen. This is the podcast.
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  I got my squishy today. It's a.
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  Squishy day it's. A long day.
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  This is recorded very late at night, later than we normally
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  record, and we're both very tired.
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  We've had long days. Long day Tuesdays are long days.
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  Yes, I was almost to the point we're like, I don't think we
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  need to do a podcast, Who cares? That's how tired we are right
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  now. Yeah, so I'm just going to play
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  with my squishy while we talk about some random stuff that we
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  have like in our chamber. Like so today I basically just
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  kind of drove to Longview. It was me and Lily all day and I
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  shot some pictures, took some pictures for some real estate.
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  So I'm trying to get into some side gig stuff, and it's all
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  pretty much just side gig stuff at this point.
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  And then Kristen worked her full gig, her real gig.
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  Or yeah. Main gig, well the only gig.
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  They only have the only gig of the house at the moment, but my
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  only gig, Yeah. So I I'm a therapist.
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  If you're just tuning in for the first time, you're not.
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  It's the same people over and over again, you know that.
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  But I had eight clients today back-to-back.
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  And by the way, that is too much back-to-back.
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  Yes, but you're kind of off tomorrow, right?
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  Yeah, tomorrow. Tomorrow's my day off, so I'm
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  really excited. So it's like it's kind of
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  Monday's a sort of a light day for me.
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  Tuesday's like the big day and then it's like I get a day off.
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  So it's like, OK. It's nice, which is nice.
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  There's some big news happening in the country music and for the
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  first time we were like, we'll talk about that.
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  We don't have to talk about Jelly Roll and Bunny getting
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  divorced, but I thought it's interesting because Jelly Roll
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  obviously a country singer. It's been crossing over into the
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  pop world. Him and his wife are, he's the
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  star, but they're kind of a duo. They have like social media
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  presence together. She just wrote a book.
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  They're kind of everywhere together.
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  Their story is very linked. When you think Jelly Roll, you
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  think Bunny. Yeah, she, I don't know if she
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  was popular before this. I think she was, she was just
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  like he was, you know, in an outside of the country realm or
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  whatever. And now they've made each other
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  even more popular. And she had, I think she had a
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  podcast and she's like all this stuff going on.
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  So they're both equally like famous.
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  So by the way, she's worth $7,000,000.
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  He's worth about 20. So like, she's not like come
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  from nothing, right? Like she's, she's a star in her
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  own right. But they announced that they're
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  getting divorced, and it did seem to kind of come out of
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  nowhere because they've been talking a lot about how great
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  their marriage is and how wonderful it is.
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  And they were planning on having kids.
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  Their whole thing was that they were planning on having twins,
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  they were starting IVF and Jelly Roll recently lost like 300 lbs,
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  something around that. Like, yeah.
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  Crazy. They went from big, big Jelly
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  roll to little. Jelly Roll.
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  Yeah. So like a lot of people saying
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  like, oh, he's looking good. Like is that the reason that
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  they got divorced? Like clearly there's no they
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  didn't be like here's the reason they just filed or whatever.
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  It's only been a couple of days, so they haven't either one of
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  them haven't made any statements yet.
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  So if you're reading this or if you're watching this after they
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  made a statement, they haven't. As of yet, so, but it's
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  interesting because a lot of people are turning against Bunny
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  online. This is what I've seen because
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  recently within the last three or four weeks or no three or
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  four months, I'm sorry, she released a book and it was kind
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  of like a memoir because she's LED this very interesting life.
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  And in it she talks about her relationship with Jelly and how
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  like they worked on their marriage.
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  It was a very rocky marriage. They broke up several times, got
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  back together, but how they had like cracked the code on how to
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  have a great relationship. A lot of the the second-half of
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  the book was about like here's how we have a great relationship
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  and here's how you could have a great relationship.
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  Wasn't a self help book, but a lot of people extrapolated a lot
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  of information from that as to like how to have a good
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  relationship. OK.
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  Interesting. Yeah.
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  And so now on the heels of that book coming out, they announced
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  that they're getting divorced and a lot of people feel
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  swindled. Yeah, I mean, I can see that,
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  'cause you go in and you're you're reading it and you're
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  like, oh, this. And anyone, whoever says they
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  have a perfect marriage is wrong.
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  Like no one ever has a perfect. Marriage.
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  Well, no, it's yeah, there's no such thing as perfection.
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  But a lot of people were like, hey, what else have you been
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  lying about or embellishing? Because there's no way this came
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  out of nowhere. Now you pointed out to me like
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  he could have cheated. And that.
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  Could have come out of nowhere. I guess he's had some infidelity
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  issues before and so this could have just been a, you know, he
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  went, he went crazy and and she caught him like, or the other
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  way around. Like maybe she cheated and he
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  caught her like I don't. Know when she wrote the book she
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  could have thought like they had this really great marriage so
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  like it's it's hard because I was telling you this like it
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  immediately reminded me of this woman named Rachel Hollis and
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  I'm sure you all just went who. Oh, Rachel Hollis.
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  Yeah, because we got to go back about 10 years to talk about
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  Rachel Hollis. Rachel Hollis was on the cusp of
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  the mommy blogs. So back when like, Internet was
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  kind of fresh and new and people were starting to monetize
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  blogging, she became really popular.
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  So popular that like all of a sudden she was popping up on all
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  the social medias when they started out as like a design
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  expert, a relationship expert, a single gal expert, like a
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  parenting expert. She was like the one stop shop
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  and everybody started looking at her as the next Oprah because
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  she had this very relatable sense and like she was funny and
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  quirky and Oh my gosh. And her husband was cute and
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  they seemed to have a great marriage and they seemed to have
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  a good family and all this stuff.
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  And she started writing all these self help books like
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  here's how I became this self-made millionaire.
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  She had a clothing line on QVC. Like she was like infiltrating
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  everything. Yeah, she was on her way.
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  She was on her way. A billionaire like Oprah, I'm
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  sure. She was like, I mean, 2 steps
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  away from having her own talk show and being like nationally
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  known as this gal. So her and her husband
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  collaborate. They've been doing a podcast for
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  a while at this point. They've been so showing up on
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  social media. Perfect couple.
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  They had also been teaching relationship seminars.
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  So they had been traveling around the country teaching you.
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  You have one relationship like me.
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  Here's how you get it here. Fork over $5000 and we're going
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  to tell you the secret, right? If we ever start teaching
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  marriage. God help us.
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  If we do, then that's the cue that this is ending.
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  Like, if we're ever like, let's just show everybody else.
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  Chapter 1, settle. Chapter 2, cash in.
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  That's pretty much what it is like, no, but like, so they
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  start doing all this stuff, everyone's looking to them.
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  Oh, they're great. So they release a book together.
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  Here's how to have the perfect marriage handbook.
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  Before the book is even out in print, before you can even buy
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  it, they announce their divorce. Yeah.
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  Didn't everyone turn like everyone turned on her right and
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  him like. Everybody turned like it was
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  infuriating because like they had taught a how to have a
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  perfect marriage conference the weekend before the divorce was
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  in there. Remember this?
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  Yeah, and it was like, are you kidding me?
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  And it. Wasn't cheap, right?
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  It was like 5000. No, it was like 5 or $6000 per
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  couple, right? Like this, they were banking it
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  and. We got to get into that I.
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  Know that's what I'm saying. I feel like at the market, but
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  anyways, so like everybody turned.
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  Not only did nobody buy the book, but people turned on her
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  own a way that I've never seen. They didn't turn on the guy,
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  which I think is just like, yeah.
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  Well, he probably wasn't as popular.
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  He wasn't as popular. He wasn't the.
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  One he. Wasn't the face of the brand.
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  He was. The husband of of her.
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  He tried launching a podcast solo afterwards, failed
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  miserably. So he got what was come up in
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  right, but she lost everything. Like everything rags to riches.
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  And like, once in a while I'll see her pop up on a social media
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  being like, hey, I'm a crafter now.
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  Follow me on YouTube and learn how to make this fun wreath for
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  your family. And it's like, Nope.
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  Like you tried to be Oprah. You tried to be like Martha
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  Stewart, Like no one's buying anything.
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  Now you got to get a job, lady, which is unfortunate.
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  Fill out those applications like everybody.
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  Well, it brings up another social media person that I I was
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  recently disappointed by, but I haven't looked more into it.
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  So Jen Hamilton like is is a popular tik toker, right?
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  She does a lot of good. She goes to people's channels
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  and like makes them popular and she seems like a really nice
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  person. She.
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  She donates a ton of money. She's a nurse and when she
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  doesn't even like she could probably go full time on social
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  media because like her followers are enough, but she doesn't and
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  she's she's. A labor and delivery nurse by
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  the. Way So she's like a nurse and
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  you're like, Oh well, of course. And she went on recently and I
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  guess she's getting divorced. From what I can tell, either he
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  died or they're getting he didn't die so they're getting a
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  divorce. But she went on and I, I just
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  don't. Maybe we grew up in the
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  generation before it and that's why.
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  But like, and I hate this. Like she's probably the
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  generation after us, right? Is that what it is?
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  And. She might be.
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  But crying on camera always gives me a bad taste in my
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  mouth. And so she was in the deepest
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  pain of her life getting this divorce and just and crying and
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  she went boop. Let me let me make sure everyone
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  sees this. And there's a couple defenses to
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  this where it's like, I want to show that I'm relatable.
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  Like I want I don't have all the UPS.
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  I'm not all up. There's some downs.
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  I don't want to show you the downs, but for something that
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  happened so immediately, it's like the first or second thought
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  you had was I've got to record this.
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  I hate that. Yeah, and it I should, you
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  should have waited a couple days, you know what I mean?
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  I don't know. And she might have, right.
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  I don't know if it was like super fresh, but yeah.
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  And so it immediately I thought she set up a tripod.
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  She made sure she was in frame, that the lighting was good,
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  right? That she wasn't getting in.
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  She was facing away that like, yeah, can you see me?
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  Is there weird shadows? OK, record and get into Oh yeah,
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  he's leaving me. Oh yeah.
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  And then she's when she's done, she hits the the Stop record.
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  Then she edits it on her phone. She adds music or she adds
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  caption. It was very dramatic music at
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  land, so she. Definitely added music.
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  And then there was a, there was a caption, there was some
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  hashtags and then there was a publish.
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  So this wasn't like an accidental turn my camera on.
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  Oh, I caught it. Let me just throw it up there
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  and be relatable. Like it's a very intentional
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  thing to do. She's not the only one,
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  obviously so many people do this, but I for some reason held
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  her to a higher standard. I don't even watch her that
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  much, but I felt like I was at a meeting.
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  I was like. Had really rubbed me the wrong
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  way as well. And then immediately after it
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  was the reaction videos of people being like, I just want
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  to say like Jen Hamilton, like I love you and I'm here to support
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  you. Like all this parasocial
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  relationship stuff from all these.
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  People, they're all trying to jump on the trend because her
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  name's probably trending because she just got a divorce.
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  And so they're like, oh, I got to make a video so that when
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  people search, they find me and I how sympathetic I am for her
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  gloss. And it's just like, it's
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  everyone's just gross. It's icky like.
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  All the social media. It's just you.
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  And it kind of just reminds you like everybody was icky.
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  Like, I don't know, like even people like Oprah where you like
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  her. Her image isn't squeaky clean
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  anymore anyways. But like back in her heyday, it
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  was like she could do no wrong. And it's like all of those moves
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  were so intentional. Like, she didn't fall into fame.
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  Like, she pushed herself into fame.
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  And that's what like, Jen Hamilton's doing.
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  That's what Rachel Hollis tried to do.
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  And it's just like nobody just became accidental famous.
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  And we want to think that they did because, oh, they're so
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  talented. Or they're also relatable.
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  Especially now it's like it's authentic, it's relatable.
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  It's like, oh, then I all I see is authenticity.
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  This is you just turning the camera on the.
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  Ellen Thing, like the fact that, like, Ellen made a whole career
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  out of like, I'm just like you and I'm super relatable.
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  But behind the scenes, she was a monster.
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  And when people found out it was all an act, it all comes
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  crashing down. And it just, it feels like that
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  with Jen a little bit. Jen Hamilton.
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  Yeah. I like Oh again, I haven't
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  looked at her since that video. That was a couple days ago.
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  I. Think I'm not, I'm not saying
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  anything about her personally, I'm just saying it was a moment
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  where I it took me out and I went.
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  I feel like I saw the entrepreneur behind the camera
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  as opposed to just the regular gal.
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  If you would have waited a a day or so and like addressed me like
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  I'm a friend instead of like it was just straight up crying,
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  saying don't talk to me right now.
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  Like well, then turn the camera off.
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  Like take this moment to grieve and be sad and then come back
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  and be like, hey, guys, because that's how everybody starts.
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  Hey guys, and then explain what happened.
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  Get emotional while you're talking about it.
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  That's fine. I don't care.
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  But to just be already crying and just and no, I don't know.
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  That just bothers me. I know, I don't know, but I'm
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  sure she's still a good person. I'm sure she is.
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  I'm sure this is, but also it's like, if I'm going to be in
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  pain, I might as well monetize it.
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  She probably made $1,000,000 off of this post, like because it's
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  trending everywhere. Like I'm sure she didn't turn
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  off monetization on it. Like heck yeah, she's going to.
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  Get. Millions of.
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  Views. Is that better or worse?
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  I. Don't know, but it's like if I'm
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  in pain indefinitely, if I'm getting divorced, I'm getting
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  some money out especially. If it was his fault.
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  Right. But it you know, she's not the
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  worst. No, no, I've seen women, I'm
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  sorry, but it's women a lot of time like set up the tripod and
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  like lean up against the wall and like crumple and cry down
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  the wall that like, oh God, whatever happened happened.
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  And it's just like you had to set up a tripod for this.
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  You had to make sure that when you slid down the wall, you'd
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  still be in frame and. What if you bumped the camera?
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  Like, do you redo it? You know what?
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  I mean, it's like, did you look afterwards and be like, I can do
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  that better, you know? I mean, it's the same thing with
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  like the people that do like hiking videos.
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  It's like at some point you had, I love them because at some
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  point you had to set the tripod up, walk away from it, and then
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  walk towards the camera like it was your first time seeing
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  everything. And then you had to rush over
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  and turn it off and then edit it.
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  Like it's just, it's so silly that we live in this.
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  World I watch a lot of those videos and it's it's always
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  funny to me because they're so far away from the camera.
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  I'm like that guy's got to he's. Got to buff it like you got to
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  hope nobody's stealing your camera.
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  You see the tripod? They're on a different mountain.
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  You're like, oh man. Yeah, like, oh, I hope you had a
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  buddy that helps them do that, you know?
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  But then that's worse. So you have a cinematographer
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  following you around too, are we?
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  Yeah, maybe we're the only ones that are thinking about just a.
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  Lovely day here in Vancouver, WA on my hike.
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  Yeah, they stumble upon the oh, camera.
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  Oh, hello. Yeah, it's yeah.
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  I and like, I always ask that because it's like, you know, the
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  people that are like eating and they're filming and then
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  somebody walks by and says something racist to them or
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  whatever. It's like, OK, that's awful.
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  But also why were you filming yourself eating?
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  Like how did you just happen to catch that?
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  Like. I think those who were like want
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  to be influenced. But like, whenever I sit down, I
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  don't set up the camera immediately just in case
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  something happens. Like that's what makes me think
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  it's fake. Like that's what makes me think
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  like, oh, you're just, you staged that.
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  Yeah, and one of the telltale signs that I've learned and I
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  there's some research on this that you can tell if it's staged
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  or not is if the camera doesn't move when someone's hurt or if
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  there's something actually surprising.
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  So if the camera is steady and something crazy happens, it was
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  planned. That's your.
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  Well, that makes a lot of sense because I would be like, well, I
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  have my phone right here. Especially with your kid.
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  Like if your kids randomly. Fell I'd be like, Oh my gosh.
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  And I'd run towards them, yeah. You wouldn't sit unless you're a
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  terrible parent. You wouldn't sit there and keep.
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  Holding the camera straight unless you play are you OK?
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  Same with like people that are surprised by anything, like the
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  people I always see it all the time.
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  I'm like, Oh well, the camera didn't move so you're not
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  shocked and. It's.
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  Like, yeah, and that's one of the telltale.
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  Signs. Oh good.
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  To know, as you know, this is 100% authentic and real.
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  We're going to start doing perfect.
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  Marriage. We're going to start teaching
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  The website comes up and it's like it's.
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  Great you watch this podcast. Like I have to Oh.
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  Yeah, well, I know you edit it, but like afterwards, do you
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  watch it? No, I don't watch it afterwards
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  20 times editing it. That's true cuz like there's a
• 17:19
  lot of edits cuz you I have to leap out all your F words and
• 17:22
  like all the times that we start arguing.
• 17:24
  And to color correct my face. Yeah, I have to stop it.
• 17:26
  Because I have to be beautiful. And then we have to restart
• 17:28
  after we stop arguing and all this other stuff.
• 17:30
  I used to put on makeup for this podcast.
• 17:32
  I don't anymore. I can't remember the last time I
• 17:33
  threw anything on my face. It's fine.
• 17:35
  I'm shiny my. It's, I mean someone said they
• 17:39
  liked the. Lighting last time though.
• 17:42
  Thank you for watching. Thank you and we'll see you on
• 17:44
  the night.