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The Kenny Report | 11 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Ross, I think my wife offered some extra pocket
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  Speaker 2: money to my fourteen year old to fill it in
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  Speaker 2: for us. Thanks for joining me tonight on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Another blow to the credibility of the Bondai Royal Commission,
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  Speaker 2: as I reveal another senior liberal with relevant expertise has
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  Speaker 2: not been called to give evidence. Interest rates on hold,
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  Speaker 2: but they're set to rise again and won't be going
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  Speaker 2: down anytime soon, and the housing market.
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  Speaker 1: Is in free fall. I'll get an expert view.
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  Speaker 2: Albaneze's melon headed diplomacy continues to distract and embarrass the government,
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  Speaker 2: including its Minister for Women, Katie Gallagher, the Barrier reef
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  Speaker 2: bouncing back and proving the purveyors of doom wrong again.
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  Speaker 2: Also US politics with Kristen Tate and the Panel with
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  Speaker 2: Susie O'Brien and Steven Senna Tiempe.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of deadly serious issues to get into tonight, So
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  Speaker 2: let me start with something that on the surface is
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  Speaker 2: a little more frivolous, the Prime Minister's melon headed diplomacy.
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  Speaker 2: This truly is silly staff, but it's got serious consequences
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  Speaker 2: for the tenor of our relations with Japan, for the
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  Speaker 2: standing of the Prime Minister, and for the way women
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  Speaker 2: are treated.
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  Speaker 1: In political debate.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's puerile and sexist behavior has now become such
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  Speaker 2: a major issue that even the ABC has been forced
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  Speaker 2: finally to cover it.
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  Speaker 3: These comments largely flying under the radar until a former
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  Speaker 3: Japanese ambassador dramatically weighed in attacking the Prime Minister for
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  Speaker 3: casually mocking a trusted partner.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this was largely flying under the radar for ABC viewers.
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  Speaker 2: Now everyone is abreast of the issue, so to speak.
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  Speaker 2: It's been confirmed the gift exchange has figured in official
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic cables and the Japanese media has started to pick
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  Speaker 2: up on it. This site having to explain that the
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  Speaker 2: word for melons in Australia is often a slang term
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  Speaker 2: for a woman's breasts. The former Japanese ambassador, who wrote
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  Speaker 2: about the issue in the Australian newspaper earlier this week,
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  Speaker 2: has spoken with News twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: Simply, this is a matter of decorum, diplomatic propriety and also,
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  Speaker 4: you know, mutual respect. I think you know in Australia
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  Speaker 4: or in Japan or anywhere else for that matter. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you don't make a mockery or gifts from your friends.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's spot on.
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  Speaker 2: It's not limited to Japanese culture, of course, it's just
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  Speaker 2: good manners anywhere, anytime. Still, for all this, the Albanese
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  Speaker 2: government's Minister for Women seems to be in denial.
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  Speaker 5: The comments and the remarks in the Prime minister have
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  Speaker 5: been misinterpreted. The Prime Minister is very clear that he
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  Speaker 5: did not mean for those comments to be interpreting the
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  Speaker 5: way they have by some media outlets and by our
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  Speaker 5: political opponents.
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  Speaker 1: Hang on a second.
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  Speaker 2: The Minister for Women says this was all okay. She
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  Speaker 2: says Albanesi's behavior was just fine. But rather it was
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  Speaker 2: some media like here at News twenty four I guess,
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  Speaker 2: and her political opponents that are making all this up.
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi is not the mocker in chief. He's now the
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  Speaker 2: victim of some political conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Really, let's check the tape.
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  Speaker 6: The Japanese Prime minister brought a melon.
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  Speaker 7: She she smuggled it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, I got a couple of melons.
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  Speaker 7: She brought two.
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  Speaker 1: She brought too, as you do.
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  Speaker 8: She just came in looking like Pamela Randers.
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  Speaker 6: She brought too yes, and they're beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: That's the exchange. And here again is the Minister for Women.
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  Speaker 1: That's her job.
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  Speaker 2: I remind you she is the Minister for Women and
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  Speaker 2: she is defending melon jokes about a female prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: I know this Prime Minister. I work with him every day.
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  Speaker 5: I know how he relates to women. He has enormous
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  Speaker 5: respect for women.
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  Speaker 2: Enormous respect for women and respect for melon's too. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi should just apologize and move on. Even the ABC
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  Speaker 2: eventually saw sense in that move over its Gina Reinhart attack.
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  Speaker 9: Will the Prime Minister personally apologize to the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 9: of Japan, her Excellency Sarna Takatchi for his disrespectful behavior.
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  Speaker 10: Called to the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 6: It's miss speaker. I reject the assertion in the question.
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi isn't using his melon, He's in denial.
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  Speaker 1: What a melancho ollie tail this is.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently only politicians on the right can have women problems,
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  Speaker 2: and the left can make up their own rules. The
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  Speaker 2: controversy and frustration surrounding the Bondai Royal Commission continues, as
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  Speaker 2: I can reveal another senior Liberal politician with crucial expertise
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  Speaker 2: has not been called to give evidence despite making himself available.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Liberal Senator for New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: and former member for the seat of Wentworth, which covers Bondai,
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  Speaker 2: the scene of the worst terror attack in this nation's
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  Speaker 2: history last December, Dave Sharma. Sharma is also a former
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  Speaker 2: diplomat who was Australia's ambassador to Israel for four years
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  Speaker 2: to twenty seventeen, a time when Israel was suffering repeated
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  Speaker 2: missile attacks from Hamas and Hesbala. He is therefore an
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  Speaker 2: experienced expert in Middle East affairs, the threat of Islamist extremism,
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  Speaker 2: as well as being deeply connected to the Australian Jewish
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  Speaker 2: community and our intelligence agencies. Sharma made a detailed submission
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  Speaker 2: to the Bondai Royal Commission, letting the inquiry know that
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  Speaker 2: he was available to give evidence in person, but he
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  Speaker 2: has not been called. When I contacted him, the Senator
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  Speaker 2: steered away from criticizing the Royal Commission, but said in
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  Speaker 2: a statement that it's vital for the Commission to hear
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  Speaker 2: directly from the many experienced and qualified people who have
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  Speaker 2: made submissions, who have who have important perspectives and expertise
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  Speaker 2: to offer. Sharma also confirmed he had made it submission
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  Speaker 2: and had indicated his willingness to appear. Sharma's snub comes
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  Speaker 2: after former deaptly liberal leader and Federal Treasurer Jross Friedenberg
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  Speaker 2: was not called by the Royal Commission, despite being the
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  Speaker 2: most senior Jewish politician in this nation history, despite also
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  Speaker 2: leading the public advocacy for the calling of the Royal
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  Speaker 2: Commission and having warned repeatedly about the rise of antisemitism
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  Speaker 2: and Islamist extremism, including by fronting a documentary on this station. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it's clear that this Royal Commission is failing the nation.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of zeroing in on the actual threat, the rise
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  Speaker 2: of Islamist extremism, it is bending over backwards to avoid
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  Speaker 2: that topic, preferring to speak about some nebulous concept of
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  Speaker 2: broader antisemitism. It seems to consider terrorist outfits like Hamas Hezbalah,
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Jihad, and their supporters as if they are organizations
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  Speaker 2: that represent the aspirations of the Palestinian people for a state,
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  Speaker 2: when in fact they are jihadest outfits committed primarily to
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  Speaker 2: the destruction of Israel and.
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  Speaker 1: The eradication of Jews.
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  Speaker 2: And when it comes to the political environment here in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the Royal Commission again seems to be skirting the critical points.
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  Speaker 2: Why did governments do so little? What more could they
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  Speaker 2: have done? Why has Islamist extremism been allowed to fester
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  Speaker 2: and dominate ugly protests? The Royal Commission must hear from
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  Speaker 2: senior federal Labor government ministers and state ministers too, who
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  Speaker 2: should be open to cross examination. How can a Royal
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  Speaker 2: Commission into events in Australia allow Jewish Australians to be
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  Speaker 2: cross examined about Israeli government actions and then not have
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  Speaker 2: the Australian government cross examined over its actions or lack
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  Speaker 2: of them. If the Royal Commission does not make this happen,
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  Speaker 2: it will be demonstrating that it is not interested in
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  Speaker 2: these crucial questions. It should call the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: ask Anthony Albanezi why he said and did so long little.
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  Speaker 2: Right at the outset, when we saw Shaikh Ibrahim Dedun
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  Speaker 2: responding to the slaughter of innocence in Israel by shouting
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  Speaker 2: about victory and elation on October the eighth, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: three to a crowd chanting aloa akbar.
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  Speaker 1: Here is what Alberizi said the next morning.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there's nothing to celebrate by the murder of innocent
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  Speaker 6: Savelians going about their day, for people who were, who
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  Speaker 6: were some of those who've been captured, young people who
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  Speaker 6: are attending a rave, enjoying life, enjoying each other's company.
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  Speaker 6: There's nothing to celebrate here.
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  Speaker 2: Could he have said any less? Could he have been
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  Speaker 2: any less exercised by what I reckon? Was one of
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  Speaker 2: the most worrying and sickening public displays.
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  Speaker 1: In this country's history.
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  Speaker 2: The Royal Commission should ask the Prime Minister why his
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  Speaker 2: reaction was not stronger. Wasn't this the clearest warning about
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  Speaker 2: the extent of anti Jewish hatred on our streets. Why
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  Speaker 2: weren't the police sent to investigate possible hate speech crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't the Prime Minister go to that community and
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  Speaker 2: urge it to contain such hatred. Why didn't this spur
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  Speaker 2: him to act against extremist organizations like his book to Rear,
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  Speaker 2: which had long been banned in many countries, including Muslim countries,
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  Speaker 2: but was still legal here until after the Bondai massacre. Then,
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  Speaker 2: on October the ninth, twenty twenty three. The next night
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  Speaker 2: we saw the hateful displays at the Opera House, police
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  Speaker 2: escorting protesters to a site for which they did not
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  Speaker 2: have a permit, wanting Jewish Australians to stay away, and
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  Speaker 2: not arresting any protesters over their threatening and hateful chance.
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  Speaker 2: The following day, the Prime Minister said only this.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think that there's nothing to celebrate here, and
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  Speaker 6: I understand that the Middle East is a complex issue,
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  Speaker 6: and I for a lot of time have supported the
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  Speaker 6: right of Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and
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  Speaker 6: security and to support a resolution long term of this conflict.
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  Speaker 1: What was his problem?
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  Speaker 2: These were the red flag warning signs on day one
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  Speaker 2: and two after the October the seventh atrocities. They caused
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  Speaker 2: many of us to highlight the threat and the need
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  Speaker 2: to crack down on Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 1: They sent chills.
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  Speaker 2: Of alarm through Australia's Jewish communities, but the government did
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  Speaker 2: next to nothing. This set the tone, the tone of
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  Speaker 2: tempered government responses and the tone of defiance and hatred
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  Speaker 2: from the protesters, preachers and practitioners of anti Semitism and
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremism. The Royal Commission must ask the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: why he was not horrified, alarmed and.
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  Speaker 1: Activated by what was unfolding.
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  Speaker 2: Where was the visit to those communities, Where was the warning?
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  Speaker 2: Where was his summit of Muslim community leaders to cooperate
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  Speaker 2: in quelling this animosity and bile? The hatred at anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitic incidents mounted over two years, graffiti attacks, cars burned,
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  Speaker 2: a synagogue, firebomb a childcare center, it was terrible. And
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  Speaker 2: then when thousands marched across the Sydney Harbor Bridge protesting
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  Speaker 2: against Israel, hate preachers among them, some chanting for death
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  Speaker 2: to the IDF, some waiving the emblems of Islamist terrorist organizations,
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  Speaker 2: and some carrying a poster of Iran's leader, the main
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  Speaker 2: global sponsor of Islamist terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: Well after that, here's what Alberanizi said.
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  Speaker 6: Yesterday's march was peaceful and was an opportunity for people
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  Speaker 6: to express their concern about what is happening in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Peaceful.
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  Speaker 2: When did chanting for death and waving terrorist flags amount
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  Speaker 2: to being peaceful? Albanese needs to be asked about all
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  Speaker 2: of this, and he needs to be asked why he
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  Speaker 2: rewarded the terrorists of Hummas by recognizing the non existent
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  Speaker 2: state of Palestine, before it had borders, before it had
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  Speaker 2: a government, before its terrorists had laid down their arms,
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  Speaker 2: and before it had stopped funding the families of terrorists,
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  Speaker 2: including suicide bombers. Albanese needs to be asked whether he
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  Speaker 2: ever considered that rewarding terrorism might run the risk of
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  Speaker 2: encouraging more of it. He needs to be cross examined
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  Speaker 2: about his actions and his lack of action and their consequences.
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  Speaker 2: Unless the Royal Commission does this, it will be clear
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  Speaker 2: to all that it's not interested in tackling the real
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  Speaker 2: and present danger of Islamist extremism, and a vital chance
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  Speaker 2: to tackle the threat.
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  Speaker 1: Of terrorism will have been lost.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Canberra now catch up with the Shadow
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  Speaker 2: Home Affairs and Immigration Minister, Jonathan Dunham.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 2: Can you believe that a former Australian Ambassador to Israel
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  Speaker 2: in Dave Sarma Sharma, a former member for the seat
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  Speaker 2: of Wentworth where the Bondaied terrorist atrocity occurred, could make
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  Speaker 2: a submission to this Royal Commission and not be called
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  Speaker 2: to share his expertise.
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  Speaker 10: Chris, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 11: I do find it more than passing strange that someone
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  Speaker 11: with such perspective, a community representative no less, but someone
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  Speaker 11: with the background like you say, has been excluded from
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  Speaker 11: the list of those to give evidence to the Commission.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, the whole point of this was to get
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  Speaker 11: the fullest picture possible so that we.
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  Speaker 10: Can understand what needs to be done.
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  Speaker 11: And I think there's some pretty basic things that do
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  Speaker 11: need to be done here to prevent this from happening
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  Speaker 11: ever again in our community and getting things right.
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  Speaker 10: But we've seen elements of this all the.
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  Speaker 11: Way along the government of course, trying to prevent certain
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  Speaker 11: documents from being provided, etc. But again, it just makes
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  Speaker 11: a mockery of the entire process. If they don't have
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  Speaker 11: all of the information before them, either by choice or
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  Speaker 11: because someone's withholding it, we as a community a country
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  Speaker 11: are going to be poorer for it because we won't
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  Speaker 11: have properly informed recommendations. So I hope things change and
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  Speaker 11: that further evidence is sought from people like Dave Shalmer
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  Speaker 11: and perhaps Josh Fredenberg as well, because I think they
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  Speaker 11: are important perspectives to actually take into account.
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  Speaker 2: It seems this is speculation, but it seems like the
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  Speaker 2: Royal Commission doesn't want political issues in there that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to senior liberal people who might actually call out
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  Speaker 2: the government's failures here. Yet these were people who were
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  Speaker 2: warning about the lack of response to our Semitism for
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  Speaker 2: two years before Bondai. Josh Friedenberg prominently Dave Sharma as
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  Speaker 2: well on this program that this Royal Commission will be
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  Speaker 2: a sham if it does not address those warnings and
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  Speaker 2: those calls to action, and consider what could have been
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  Speaker 2: stopped in our broader community if there'd been more action.
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  Speaker 11: Dead right, I think the word sham is sadly where
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  Speaker 11: it's at if we don't actually get the full perspective
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  Speaker 11: from those who are close to the community.
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  Speaker 10: And when you've got Jewish.
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  Speaker 11: Community leaders like Josh Fridenberg and of course former local
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  Speaker 11: member now Senator Dave Shalma, former ambassador to Israel, being able.
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  Speaker 1: To give their views.
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  Speaker 11: And if you're worried about politics, then even the Ledger
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  Speaker 11: bring someone from the other side of politics, if that's
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  Speaker 11: what the concern is. But my view is here, this
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  Speaker 11: is not about politics. These are people who have legitimate
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  Speaker 11: points to make that would assist the Commission in making
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  Speaker 11: findings that will help us as a country. Ensure we
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  Speaker 11: don't ever go down this, he wrote every.
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  Speaker 2: Again, Well, exactly, this is a point if I just
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  Speaker 2: make this point before we move on. This is a
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  Speaker 2: point about the worst period of lack of social cohesion,
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  Speaker 2: of hatred within this country over two years leading up
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  Speaker 2: to Bondai and then the worst ever terror attack in
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  Speaker 2: this country. It's about making sure we don't make those
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  Speaker 2: mistakes again, making sure that we don't have terrorist attacks
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  Speaker 2: in this country again. And I don't care what the
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  Speaker 2: politics are about that, we've got to protect the Australian community.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to an issue that's related to that,
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  Speaker 2: and the return of Jihada's fighters to this country. And
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen's putting up a private member's bill here.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a listener what she's saying about it.
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  Speaker 12: If the law does not currently prevent these people from returning,
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  Speaker 12: our duty to the Australian people is to change the law.
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  Speaker 12: One nation is acting where the Labor government has failed
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  Speaker 12: to act. The bill creates a new Barron Terrorist Fighter
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  Speaker 12: Exclusion Order.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Jonathan, there are institutional limitations here, but broadly speaking,
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition seems to support those aims. Having tougher laws
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  Speaker 2: to give governments more freedom to block the return of
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  Speaker 2: alleged terrorists. What's going to be your approach? Are you
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  Speaker 2: going to put up a bill yourselves, Are you going
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  Speaker 2: to try and work with Paul Enhance's Private Members Bill?
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  Speaker 10: All of the above?
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  Speaker 11: Chris, I mean, at the end of the day, and
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  Speaker 11: Pauline touched on it, there is something we've been saying,
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  Speaker 11: Angus has been saying for a long time. Labor are
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  Speaker 11: doing nothing. I mean they say they're doing nothing to
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  Speaker 11: help us as brides come back to Australia. That is
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  Speaker 11: patently untrue. They are bringing them back. But in terms
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  Speaker 11: of this legislation, this is something to progress. We've got,
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  Speaker 11: of course, our own bill on the books relating to
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  Speaker 11: those who help usis bride's return to Australia or anyone
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  Speaker 11: else associated with ARSIS or similar organizations. And we have
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  Speaker 11: other legislation we are preparing to introduce ourselves. At the
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  Speaker 11: end of the day, I don't care who moves it.
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  Speaker 11: It would be great if the government did something themselves.
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  Speaker 10: They're not. They won't well know what happened more quick
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  Speaker 10: well exactly.
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  Speaker 11: We'd have the resources of the Attorney General's Department, Home Affairs,
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  Speaker 11: Foreign Affairs of phalanx of lawyers who were able to
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  Speaker 11: deal with any constitutional issues. So look, we're prepared to
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  Speaker 11: look at that legislation. I think it's got to go
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  Speaker 11: through a Senate committee process, make sure it does work,
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  Speaker 11: get the academics, the experts and others to give evidence
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  Speaker 11: about it.
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  Speaker 10: But let's do something.
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  Speaker 11: If there are problems, and there are, we're bringing bad people,
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  Speaker 11: who are radicals, who are evil back into our country.
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  Speaker 10: We've got to stop them. Find a way.
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  Speaker 11: We'll help you government do that and protect Australian people,
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  Speaker 11: especially when you're doing nothing about it.
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan dunninga and there Shadow Immigration and Home Affairs Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I want to get to the economy and.
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  Speaker 2: As expected, the Reserve Bank has kept rates on hold
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  Speaker 2: at four point thirty five percent. In question time, the
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  Speaker 2: opposition hammered the government over their housing tax hikes and
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  Speaker 2: their impact on the market.
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  Speaker 13: Have a look Labour's toxic taxes have tanked the housing mart.
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  Speaker 13: Hanz Bank today reports Sydney house prices could fall by
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  Speaker 13: almost fifteen percent, the worst crash in more than four decades.
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  Speaker 13: Will the Prime Minister finally admit Labour's broken promises on
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  Speaker 13: capital gains tax and negative gearing have made millions of
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  Speaker 13: Australian homeowners worse off.
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  Speaker 6: We had measures that were aimed at addressing the challenges
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  Speaker 6: that are facing young Australians when it comes to owning
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  Speaker 6: a house.
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  Speaker 14: Rents have reportedly increased by ten percent since the budget
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  Speaker 14: just three months ago. Prime Minister, Which of the following
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: are to blame? A record high immigration outpacing new home builds,
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: B Labour's toxic taxes on housing, c the fifteen interest
• 20:48
  Speaker 14: rate rises under labor or d all of the above.
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: When it comes to the changes that we made in
• 20:54
  Speaker 15: the budget around housing for the reasons that the Prime
• 20:56
  Speaker 15: Minister ran through to make sure that we can give
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: first home buy as a fair crack in a housing
• 21:02
  Speaker 15: market which has locked them out for too long.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Let's welcome to the desk Professor Richard Holden from the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: University of New South Wales Business School. Good to talk
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: to you again, Richard, tell us where rates are going
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: from here? Is there another increase saluming before the end
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: of the year.
• 21:17
  Speaker 16: I think Michelle Bullock's press conference today after the rates
• 21:20
  Speaker 16: decision was quite illuminating. She volunteered without anyone asking and
• 21:24
  Speaker 16: said we didn't talk about cutting rates at today's meeting.
• 21:27
  Speaker 16: We did talk about potentially increasing them, and then she
• 21:30
  Speaker 16: reiterated that, seeming to sort of break her own rule
• 21:34
  Speaker 16: about giving forward guideance. I think I read that as
• 21:36
  Speaker 16: a hint to the market of don't think there's a
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: rate cut coming. So I suspect the next move is
• 21:42
  Speaker 16: up inflations well above target, and the RBA said today
• 21:45
  Speaker 16: it won't even get back to target if then by
• 21:48
  Speaker 16: the end of twenty twenty seven.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she was very forthcoming. Here is the Reserve
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Bank governor.
• 21:53
  Speaker 17: We've already raised three times and we will go again
• 21:58
  Speaker 17: if we need to, and I think personally that it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 17: quite possible we might need to go, but we'll wait
• 22:06
  Speaker 17: and see what the data tell us.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is going to be very worrying for mortgage holders,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: especially people fresh into the market who have seen the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: value of their property fall already. What's your take on
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the price falls we're seeing now and the sort of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: mortgage stress people can get into, especially with negative equity.
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, if people need to sell, that's where
• 22:26
  Speaker 16: the real problem comes in. With negative equity, it probably
• 22:29
  Speaker 16: does look like a more of a short term correction
• 22:31
  Speaker 16: or those very painful for those going through it. So
• 22:34
  Speaker 16: if people can hang on, then they should be okay.
• 22:37
  Speaker 16: But it sort of doesn't look good on paper, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 16: that can affect, of course, how people behave in the
• 22:42
  Speaker 16: rest of the economy.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell us about the rest of the economy.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Growth is anemic, but probably as an economy we're holding
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: up better than many expected. Where obviously the Reserve Bank
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is concerned about inflation, what about stymying growth? Is recessions
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: still a worry.
• 23:00
  Speaker 16: It is a worry, but I think you know, we've
• 23:02
  Speaker 16: had something like eleven out of the last fifteen quarters
• 23:05
  Speaker 16: we've had negative growth per person per capita, So in
• 23:09
  Speaker 16: some sense, you know, we're in a kind of per
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: capital is.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Capita recession for a long while and no prospect of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: us getting out of that in the nit term.
• 23:17
  Speaker 16: We've got to raise productivity growth and boost the supply
• 23:20
  Speaker 16: side of the economy, and the governor talked about that
• 23:23
  Speaker 16: again today. Now that's not something she can and her
• 23:26
  Speaker 16: board can do anything about. That's the responsibility of government.
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: It is a long run thing where both sides of
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: politics bear some responsibility. But gee, it hasn't got any
• 23:35
  Speaker 16: better over the last four years.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when it comes to productivity, though surely most of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: what the government's done has worked against productivity. It's given
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: more power to the unions, more flexibility working from home,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a bigger public service.
• 23:47
  Speaker 16: Yeah, you're right about all of that, and the ir
• 23:49
  Speaker 16: laws in particular, I think go in the wrong direction.
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: And now we're talking about having a special court, which
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: doesn't sound like it's going to make anything any better
• 23:57
  Speaker 16: as far as productivity goes.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: So hang on to your dollars battened down the hatches.
• 24:01
  Speaker 16: Well, you know, I think be cautious, but yeah, don't
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: expect rate cuts anytime soon, and don't expect a big
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: jump in economic growth.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid Richard.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Richard Holden. They're from the University
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of New South Wales. We're going to get to a break.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I only get more into Albanese's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: melon headed diplomacy. It's a hell of an embarrassment, especially
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I reckon for his Minister for Women, Ted O'Brian's going
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to join me. As I mentioned at the top of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the show, Anthony Alberanzi has refused to apologize for his
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: puerile and sexist behavior poking fun at the Japanese Prime
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: minister's gift of melons.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: He is a little more of the Prime Minister in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: question time.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: I reject the assertion in the question in Australia and
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Japan have never been closer or more strategically, alf and
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: my government has taken our special strategic partnership to new heights.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Camber and catch up with the Shadow
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs Minister Ted O'Brien.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Ted.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: He's in denial, isn't he, the Prime Minister pretending that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: his pure old joke was nothing of the kind.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: Good to be with you again, Chris, And yes he is.
• 25:13
  Speaker 18: And my message to the Prime Minister is denial is
• 25:17
  Speaker 18: not diplomacy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: Unfortunately, the more he and.
• 25:21
  Speaker 18: His ministers are out there in the media bizarrely pretending
• 25:25
  Speaker 18: that nothing really happened, the more they are making a
• 25:27
  Speaker 18: story out of this. And unfortunately they are themselves just
• 25:31
  Speaker 18: creating a diplomatic issue.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: And that's a real concern.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I would have thought a public or even a private
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: phone call of apology was more in order, But speaking
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of his ministers, it must be very humiliating for people
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: like Tanya plebisek know a feminist, a strong feminist all
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: her life, having to run shride shotgun on this rubbish
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and today we had to see the denial go even
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to the Minister for Women.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Here she is again, Katie Gallagher.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I know this Prime Minister. I work with him every day.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I know how he relates to women. He has enormous
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: respect for women.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And she is pretending that this skit showed no disrespect
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: to women.
• 26:16
  Speaker 18: Chris, you know there's a part of me that just
• 26:18
  Speaker 18: feels sorry for them. I mean, can you imagine being
• 26:22
  Speaker 18: a female labor minister getting the phone call from the
• 26:25
  Speaker 18: Prime Minister's office and saying, can you please go out
• 26:29
  Speaker 18: and try to justify what the Prime Minister has done here?
• 26:34
  Speaker 18: And they're trying to defend the indefensible here. I actually
• 26:38
  Speaker 18: feel desperately sorry for them because I think, to the
• 26:40
  Speaker 18: person they know hand on heart, the Prime Minister did
• 26:45
  Speaker 18: the wrong thing.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: I just wish for the national interest he.
• 26:49
  Speaker 18: Would nip this in the bud, apologize and get on
• 26:53
  Speaker 18: with it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: The relationship with Japan is way.
• 26:56
  Speaker 18: Too important for him to be continually denied and forcing
• 27:01
  Speaker 18: his ministers to run these lines of denial.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's not too hard for any
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of us to imagine that if you'd done that podcast
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: interview as Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister and made the same
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: gestures and comments.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: That there would be all hell to pay.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: The Parliament and the media would have run you out
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of your.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Shadow portfolio by now.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So to take that as a comment, if you will,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I want to move further on to the serious diplomacy
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: here because you mentioned the relationship with Japan. Obviously this
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: is a adds tension to that it needs to be
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: cleared up. But other nations in the region will be
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: watching this, especially those nations that we have sometimes fractures
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: relationships with in Southeast Asia. They will be seeing this
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: as very embarrassing for Australia, wouldn't they?
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: Most likely?
• 27:51
  Speaker 18: Chris and I believe Australia really should be positioning itself
• 27:55
  Speaker 18: as the most trusted partner in the Indo Pacific. Trust
• 28:00
  Speaker 18: can only be built by human beings, by people, people
• 28:03
  Speaker 18: to people. Engagement has to be done on the basis
• 28:06
  Speaker 18: of absolute respect. Now, when you're dealing with a country
• 28:11
  Speaker 18: like Japan, and I've you know, my first trip to
• 28:13
  Speaker 18: Japan was as a teenager helping my dad with business,
• 28:15
  Speaker 18: and I've had many years up and back and.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: Forth doing business in Japan.
• 28:20
  Speaker 18: We are talking about a people who are deeply respectful.
• 28:24
  Speaker 18: Anyone who's even been on a holiday to Japan understands
• 28:28
  Speaker 18: how respectful and polite they are so in other countries.
• 28:31
  Speaker 18: Here about the Australian Prime Minister speaking with such a
• 28:36
  Speaker 18: vulgar potty mouth about the Japanese Prime minister.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: That does not help us.
• 28:43
  Speaker 18: And again, this is why this is bigger than just
• 28:45
  Speaker 18: some political thing in Australia. This wasn't a big deal
• 28:48
  Speaker 18: over the last four weeks. It wasn't until the Prime
• 28:50
  Speaker 18: Minister and his minister started denying it that this is
• 28:53
  Speaker 18: getting attention. And until they nip this in the bud
• 28:56
  Speaker 18: and deal with it honestly in a very forthright way,
• 29:00
  Speaker 18: all the countries will hear about this and it does
• 29:02
  Speaker 18: our nation no good, no good at all.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you spot on. Thanks for joining us, Ted,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thanks Shadow Brian there, the Shadow Minister.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: For Foreign Affairs.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: we'll check in on the barrier reef and it's all
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: good news. Despite despite all the climate doomsayers, more good
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: news for the reef, with the latest data from the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Australian Institute of Marine Science showing coral cover has bounced
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: back from the past bleaching events. Further, the Institution's long
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: term monitoring program has found the reef remains resilient and
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: able to recover well from disturbance. And when those bleaching
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: events do occur, what's the cause global warming pollution? Well,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: according to the Institute's data, the major causes of temporary
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: loss of coral cover over the decades have been entirely
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: natural cyclones and the Crown of Thorn's starfish plagues, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: they're like for more. I'm joined live by The Australians
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Environment editor Graham Lloyd. Thanks for joining us, Graham, You've
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: followed this stuff super closely.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: For a long while.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: There's been lots of ramping up of the reaf being doomed.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I think Barack Obama when he was in Brisbane said
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he wanted to bring back the family before it disappeared.
• 30:20
  Speaker 19: What's the prognosis, Well, that's right, Chris, good to be here.
• 30:26
  Speaker 19: The talk about the Great Bearery for decades has been
• 30:28
  Speaker 19: how it's facing imminent peril and it's all doom and gloom,
• 30:35
  Speaker 19: but really you just have to.
• 30:36
  Speaker 20: Go with the numbers.
• 30:38
  Speaker 19: And the Australian Institute of Marine Science every year since
• 30:41
  Speaker 19: nineteen eighty three has done account of coral cover on
• 30:45
  Speaker 19: the reef. This year's results in and they show that
• 30:50
  Speaker 19: the reef is bouncing back from disturbances. In fact, it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 19: at a higher level over the last five years than
• 30:59
  Speaker 19: it has I've been at any of the preceding years
• 31:02
  Speaker 19: going back to nineteen eighty three. So there's a robust
• 31:06
  Speaker 19: health in the Great Bearer Reef and that's a message
• 31:09
  Speaker 19: that probably hasn't got out as widely as it should,
• 31:13
  Speaker 19: and it's something to celebrate.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great news, especially great news for tourism in Queensland,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: not to mention, of course, just the natural environment. Because
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: there's so much doom and gloom publicity about the reef
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: that I think it frightens people away and.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't like get there, see it, enjoy it. It's brilliant.
• 31:32
  Speaker 19: I guess that's right on the one hand, and if
• 31:34
  Speaker 19: you ever really want to see the reef, now's the
• 31:36
  Speaker 19: time to do it. But on the serious side, I've
• 31:40
  Speaker 19: met people all over the world who have said that Look,
• 31:43
  Speaker 19: they had plans to visit Australia and they've decided not
• 31:46
  Speaker 19: to because what's the point that varareath is dead And
• 31:50
  Speaker 19: that's a shameful thing. That is really the result of
• 31:54
  Speaker 19: a propaganda campaign by environment groups who have raised money
• 31:59
  Speaker 19: off the back of it. I think if you look
• 32:03
  Speaker 19: back in the fullness of time, you'll see that the
• 32:06
  Speaker 19: reef has been exploited and the damage has been man made.
• 32:11
  Speaker 20: But it's not climate change.
• 32:12
  Speaker 19: It's from these groups that claiming they're trying to help.
• 32:17
  Speaker 21: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good point.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Now, as we hear, obviously there are natural factors that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: knock it about.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: There might be floods or cyclones and the like.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Well, are there are there any threats to the reef
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: from tourism operators or from industry and the like.
• 32:32
  Speaker 19: I think you'll have localized impact from tourism and things
• 32:35
  Speaker 19: like that, and if you look at the results of
• 32:39
  Speaker 19: the long term monitoring program, you'll see a great deal
• 32:42
  Speaker 19: of variability. The reef is a dynamic system that is
• 32:47
  Speaker 19: exposed to cyclones and crown of thorns.
• 32:50
  Speaker 20: Outbreaks and other things.
• 32:52
  Speaker 19: But what you look for is the ability for the
• 32:55
  Speaker 19: reef to recover from these disturbances.
• 32:59
  Speaker 20: And what we're saying at the moment is that healthy
• 33:01
  Speaker 20: is very.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Strong, fantastic, It's good.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great news. Thanks for joining us, Graham. I appreciate it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd. You can read his stuff in the Australian
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: all over these issues. I was swimming in an ocean
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: pool this morning. I'll tell you I was a long
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: way from the barrier reef. The water's pretty cold, but
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: it is crystal clear and beautiful.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Just at the moment. Now we've got to Kristen Tate
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in just a moment.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But first, the US President Donald Trump has slammed done
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the reported pushed by Iran for reparations in any Middle
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: East peace settlement.
• 33:34
  Speaker 21: They asked for.
• 33:36
  Speaker 22: Reparations, you might say, or they asked for money for
• 33:41
  Speaker 22: the damage that we've done. And I said, that's a
• 33:43
  Speaker 22: good idea. Well, we're going to ask for money for
• 33:45
  Speaker 22: the damage they've done over a fifty year period, whether
• 33:48
  Speaker 22: you go ss coal or whether you go all of
• 33:50
  Speaker 22: the people that were so badly hurt, so badly wounded
• 33:53
  Speaker 22: or killed many thousands of people. If there's damages to
• 33:57
  Speaker 22: be paid, I think Arian should pay those damages.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: As I put to Christian Trump's response, was fair enough. Surely,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: given the havoc that Iran has raked against America and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: across the broad of Middle East, I have a many decades.
• 34:11
  Speaker 23: That's right.
• 34:11
  Speaker 24: Iran probably doesn't want to play the reparations game with
• 34:14
  Speaker 24: the United States. Iran's demands treat history like it just
• 34:19
  Speaker 24: you know, started when you know, the Americans started striking.
• 34:25
  Speaker 24: But Trump is saying, fine, look, let's go back decades
• 34:28
  Speaker 24: and account for the Americans killed by Iran and Iran proxies.
• 34:32
  Speaker 24: There is a very concrete number behind Trump's broader argument here,
• 34:36
  Speaker 24: which is six hundred and three American troops. The Pentagon
• 34:39
  Speaker 24: has assessed that at least six hundred and three American
• 34:42
  Speaker 24: service members will were killed in Iraq between two thousand
• 34:46
  Speaker 24: and three and twenty eleven, and they were killed by
• 34:49
  Speaker 24: Iran backed militants. So Trump is in the right here.
• 34:53
  Speaker 24: Iran does not want to go down this road.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And day let's bring it back to domestic US politics
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and the controversial Democrat Muslim candidate Abdul l sayed, this
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: is a blog who's not very friendly towards Israel. This
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: body's protestations. Let's have a look at what he says
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: about America helping Israel defend itself with the Patriot missiles
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: on the lockew here he is.
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: I don't believe that there's really a difference between offensive
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: or defensive weapons, and I also don't believe it's my
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: responsibility to buy defensive weapons for a foreign government.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Kristan's virtually saying in that that Israel should be left
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: just to be hit by missiles that come in from
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: hisblaraen Hamas and have done for many, many years.
• 35:38
  Speaker 24: Correct, And this is the man who just won the
• 35:39
  Speaker 24: Democratic primary for US Senate in Michigan.
• 35:43
  Speaker 23: Look, Chris, there's a huge political story here.
• 35:46
  Speaker 24: Michigan's electorate has undergone a remarkable demographic change in a
• 35:51
  Speaker 24: very short period of time.
• 35:53
  Speaker 23: Dearborn, which is in Michigan is now.
• 35:56
  Speaker 24: Majority Middle Eastern and the Democratic coali Ish in Michigan
• 36:00
  Speaker 24: looks very different today than it did a generation ago.
• 36:04
  Speaker 24: So this is an immigration story, but we're also watching
• 36:07
  Speaker 24: a convergence of these new voters who have entered the
• 36:11
  Speaker 24: state with the Democrat voters who have always been there
• 36:15
  Speaker 24: that have kind of transformed and gone more to the
• 36:17
  Speaker 24: radical left. The radical leftists have really hijacked today's Democrat party.
• 36:23
  Speaker 24: The Democrats of today, they are not the blue collar
• 36:25
  Speaker 24: Democrats of the.
• 36:26
  Speaker 23: Eighties and nineties, the union members.
• 36:29
  Speaker 24: They are radical and yeah, a lot of them are
• 36:32
  Speaker 24: anti Israel, anti Semitic.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why the president has a TechEd l sayed,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: here he is Donald Trump again.
• 36:40
  Speaker 21: This guy hates Jews.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Somebody said, oh, that's a little strong. No, he hates
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Jews and he hates Israel.
• 36:47
  Speaker 22: When I watch Abdul, he's full of shit.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And here is the Democrat candidate responding to that sort
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of criticism.
• 36:58
  Speaker 21: Every single day he talks about me.
• 37:00
  Speaker 25: Were winning because at the end of the day, I
• 37:02
  Speaker 25: am everything he fears.
• 37:04
  Speaker 21: So we are going to stand up to him.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: We are going to take him on. This is extraordinary stuff.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: We need to watch this right around the world, Christen,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: especially when you match it up with me and mom
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Donnie in the New York City.
• 37:18
  Speaker 24: Yeah. I mean, it really forecasts trouble for Republicans going
• 37:24
  Speaker 24: into the midterms because you look at these candidates who
• 37:27
  Speaker 24: are just.
• 37:27
  Speaker 23: Sweeping on the left.
• 37:28
  Speaker 24: They are radical, and they are catering to the most
• 37:32
  Speaker 24: extreme wing of their base, which is becoming the majority
• 37:35
  Speaker 24: of their base. Someone with the views of l said
• 37:39
  Speaker 24: would have been unimaginable just a decade or two ago,
• 37:43
  Speaker 24: as you know, being the candidate who wins the primary
• 37:46
  Speaker 24: for US Senate. But this is now considered mainstream politics
• 37:50
  Speaker 24: on the American left.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hell of a worry. Let us get
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: back to gentler times and the president Joe Biden was
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: suggest he slept through most of his presidency. Sad news
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that he's suffering from cancer now, and strangely enough, the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: update has come via his very controversial sum Hunter Boden here,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: he is.
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: The only thing that I say about my dad about
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: his health right now is I wish he would complain more,
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: because it's not good. The cancer has spread, is metastasized
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: into his bones and further, it's very painful and it's
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: very debilitating in many respects.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But he's still out there.
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  Speaker 8: He's still doing this thing that he so believes in
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  Speaker 8: this country in as long as he's alive, I promise
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: you he's going to continue to fight.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden there, and of course Joe Biden's memoir about
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to come out. We've had a bit of a laugh
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: about that in the past, Christen. But sad news that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's health is deterior writing.
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  Speaker 24: Yes, of course this is sad, and you know, I
• 38:57
  Speaker 24: have thoughts and prayers going out to the Biden family.
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  Speaker 23: You never want to see anybody suffering from an illness
• 39:04
  Speaker 23: like cancer. But look, when this cancer was.
• 39:06
  Speaker 24: Supposedly discovered, it was already stage four, it had spread.
• 39:10
  Speaker 23: To his bones.
• 39:11
  Speaker 24: And yes, it does raise legitimate questions about when this
• 39:15
  Speaker 24: diagnosis was made and if when it was made it
• 39:19
  Speaker 24: was disclosed to the public. Was it known by Joe
• 39:23
  Speaker 24: Biden and those around him that he had cancer when
• 39:25
  Speaker 24: he was president of the United States. That is a
• 39:27
  Speaker 24: legitimate question to be asking. And many people have doubts,
• 39:31
  Speaker 24: especially Chris after years of being lied to during COVID.
• 39:35
  Speaker 24: You know, people just kind of distrust those in charge now,
• 39:40
  Speaker 24: so it makes them ask these kinds of questions.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the lawing has become the norm in politics around
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Christ and I appreciate it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 23: Thank you, Chris, always a pleasure, Hey guy.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: On the other side of the bright, we got Susie
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: had Ron and Steven sent a CHAMPI plenty to talk about,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: including Victoria now delaying do you work from home laws?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the Tuesday panel with Stevens set a
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: tempo in Canberra and Susie O'Brien, National Education Editor joining
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: us from Melbourne.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And Susie with your new premier there in Victoria.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Ben Carroll delaying, probably scrapping really is work from home laws?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You're going to be stuck going into the office for
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a while.
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  Speaker 26: Yet I think he's trying to be half pregnant on
• 40:31
  Speaker 26: this one. I don't understand it. Is he scrapping it
• 40:33
  Speaker 26: or not? I mean he is actually coming out and
• 40:35
  Speaker 26: saying that the legislation will be passed by the election,
• 40:38
  Speaker 26: but the start date is going to be delayed to
• 40:41
  Speaker 26: the middle of twenty twenty seven for more consultation.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Does he want it? Does he not?
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: Is it going to work?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Is it not?
• 40:46
  Speaker 26: I mean, it's a complete and utter shambles. And he
• 40:50
  Speaker 26: knows that it's electorally quite popular because lots of people
• 40:52
  Speaker 26: want to do nothing from home as opposed to work
• 40:55
  Speaker 26: from home. But at the same time it's crippling for
• 40:58
  Speaker 26: the economy.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to fix a problem that's not there.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: There's so much flexibility people are able to work from home.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: But let's have a listen to what he's had to.
• 41:06
  Speaker 27: Say work from home will not proceed on the first
• 41:10
  Speaker 27: of September. It will proceed on the first of July.
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  Speaker 23: In twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 27: I want to be very clear. I support work from home.
• 41:19
  Speaker 27: I support flexible work. It is good for working families.
• 41:23
  Speaker 27: I want Victory to be open for business. I want
• 41:25
  Speaker 27: to be thriving. That is why I have delayed these changes,
• 41:28
  Speaker 27: and it's why I'm going to continue to work with
• 41:29
  Speaker 27: the business community and make sure this policy is right.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Stephen, it looks like such a political plaw here. He
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: wants the plaudits for backing work from home, so everyone says,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: good on you, that's what we want to do, but
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to have to deal with the consequences,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: so nothing will happen to why after the election.
• 41:47
  Speaker 21: That's exactly right.
• 41:48
  Speaker 28: And you've got to love those Gillard era slogans working families.
• 41:52
  Speaker 28: They went so well, didn't they. But yeah, that's exactly
• 41:54
  Speaker 28: what this is.
• 41:55
  Speaker 23: You know.
• 41:55
  Speaker 28: I'm I'm still going to allow you to work on
• 41:57
  Speaker 28: the couch, but I'm not going to do it until
• 42:00
  Speaker 28: after the election, so that the economy doesn't tank even
• 42:02
  Speaker 28: further than it is now. That's clearly what this is
• 42:05
  Speaker 28: because he knows that it's going to do damage to
• 42:06
  Speaker 28: the economy, even further damage to the Victorian economy which
• 42:09
  Speaker 28: can't really sustain any more damage. But we'll try and
• 42:12
  Speaker 28: get the votes from it and then let somebody else
• 42:14
  Speaker 28: clean it up after the event.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Nell Steven, let's stick with you and parts of the
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: country that you know well.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: That is various parts of.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Western Sydney where you're writing the signage that shops might
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: often be in a different language. If you're going to
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Lukember it might be mainly Arabic. If you go to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Cabra Mata it might be mainly Vietnamese. And the Strathsfield
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Council is actually passing a bylord of force shops to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: have English signs.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: What do you think of this?
• 42:43
  Speaker 21: Look, I.
• 42:46
  Speaker 28: Don't support anything that most local councils do because they
• 42:49
  Speaker 28: generally overstep the mark.
• 42:50
  Speaker 21: But what's the thing here? I mean, if you who
• 42:52
  Speaker 21: are you concerned about?
• 42:53
  Speaker 28: If businesses think that they are going to be able
• 42:56
  Speaker 28: to attrack customers by having foreign signs, then good luck
• 42:59
  Speaker 28: to them.
• 43:00
  Speaker 21: To be up to the individual business owner.
• 43:01
  Speaker 28: To determine what's on his sign about what's going to
• 43:04
  Speaker 28: serve his business and in Stratfield, there's a massive Chinese community,
• 43:07
  Speaker 28: there's mathod Well, there's a lot of different ethnic communities
• 43:10
  Speaker 28: in that region.
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  Speaker 21: Look, just leave it the way it is. It seems
• 43:13
  Speaker 21: to be working.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I reckon to Susie. I mean, let
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you own the business. You can decide what sort of
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: sign you put up, as long as there's not offensive.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:26
  Speaker 26: I understand though that when you go to some of
• 43:27
  Speaker 26: these places and all the signs are in another country,
• 43:30
  Speaker 26: another language, and you think, gee, what country are we in.
• 43:33
  Speaker 26: But at the same time, it seems to be serving
• 43:35
  Speaker 26: those communities, and there's an easy thing. If you don't
• 43:38
  Speaker 26: like it, don't go there. I go somewhere else, shop
• 43:41
  Speaker 26: somewhere else. Yeah, you really don't want to be kind
• 43:44
  Speaker 26: of imposing this rigid, monocultural, heavy handed approach. But at
• 43:50
  Speaker 26: the same time, I do understand that it can be
• 43:53
  Speaker 26: quite alienating.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would have thought if there's a lot
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: of people there looking for a chicken shop and that's
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: not in the right leangth they'll put it up in
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: English or they'll go broke.
• 44:03
  Speaker 17: You know.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I just think the common sense would look after it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Talk about common sense.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: What about your old home state and mine, Susie, Peter
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: melanowskis the labor PREMI you're.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Calling a royal commission no less into AI.
• 44:18
  Speaker 17: Isn't it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to save the world.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Is if this thing's coming so hard and faster at
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: everyone around the world, but his royal commission.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Is going to sort it out.
• 44:28
  Speaker 26: It's like a two hundred and fifty million way to
• 44:30
  Speaker 26: slow something down that, as you say, is going a
• 44:32
  Speaker 26: million miles an hour. I'm pretty sure he could spend
• 44:35
  Speaker 26: nothing and find what he needs for free. There's so
• 44:39
  Speaker 26: much information about AI, there's so many interest groups, so
• 44:43
  Speaker 26: much happening. It's hard to understand why he would need
• 44:46
  Speaker 26: an AI. Call it round table and get it done.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Look, I think you could do this working from home, Susie.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: You just open up Claude and say what are the pluses?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And ben the pluses and min of AI give me
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a policy prescription. It is bizarre, But here's the premiere.
• 45:05
  Speaker 25: I'm worried that we're a bit underweight in the policy
• 45:09
  Speaker 25: here from the policy response that is going to be
• 45:11
  Speaker 25: required to make sure we get the balance right between
• 45:14
  Speaker 25: pursuing this opportunity where there are very significant productivity gains
• 45:18
  Speaker 25: to be made, but also protecting the community from some
• 45:21
  Speaker 25: of the risks.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I's out with AI.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Cheap as I would have thought, he's been better off
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: working out how to deliver secure and cheap energy first up, Stephen.
• 45:31
  Speaker 21: Yeah, well, yeah, that'll be a good start.
• 45:33
  Speaker 28: But look, I'm not necessarily against this because my understanding
• 45:36
  Speaker 28: is the terms of reference are that is going to report.
• 45:38
  Speaker 21: Packed fairly quickly.
• 45:40
  Speaker 28: At least he's actually trying to get his head around
• 45:42
  Speaker 28: the problem here, whereas the federal government they just walk
• 45:45
  Speaker 28: around with this weird look on their face and go
• 45:47
  Speaker 28: AI as if that means they know what it means.
• 45:50
  Speaker 28: And I'm sure they don't actually understand what AI stands for.
• 45:53
  Speaker 28: But I've got to say, in this building there's been
• 45:55
  Speaker 28: a lot of artificial intelligence for.
• 45:56
  Speaker 21: Years and years and years.
• 45:57
  Speaker 28: They don't have any more of it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Now, SUSI to an issue that you've written about and
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: talked about a lot, and that is screen time with
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: kids and schools and parents trying to limit it to
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: improve their literacy. I'm all on board with this, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I just think parents are so often the problem here.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Parents use the screen time as a pacifier. Effectively, it's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the easy way out.
• 46:20
  Speaker 26: Yeah, and then schools get stuck with kids who turn
• 46:23
  Speaker 26: to screens, who can't hold a pair of scissors, who
• 46:27
  Speaker 26: don't know how to use a pen. At the moment,
• 46:29
  Speaker 26: the only thing that's stopping kids from having to continue
• 46:33
  Speaker 26: to use handwriting is the fact you twelve exams are
• 46:35
  Speaker 26: done in handwriting. If that changes, then schools will probably
• 46:40
  Speaker 26: just be screen based all the way, and that would
• 46:42
  Speaker 26: be such such a mistake. Already, we're seeing some schools
• 46:46
  Speaker 26: turning back the clock and they're giving kids pens over
• 46:50
  Speaker 26: screens and making them do things by hand. I think
• 46:53
  Speaker 26: that's going to grow over time.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to tell you, we spent so much
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: time and effort keeping our kids off screens, and it
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: takes effort because it means getting to the park with
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: him and doing all this no computer games. Then at
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: school they're assigned a computer game the subjects to try.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And get everyone engaged.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I didn't want them playing Minecraft or whatever.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: It was just a funny one to finish with. Stephen,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on I wanted to get your thoughts
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: on this incredible story.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: We all knew about how there was a second plane
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: flown to Turkey to get Donald Trump out of there
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: over security concerns. It turns out that he was actually
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: secretly taken off Air Force one on a food trolley,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: one of these food containers, and got off on a
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: third plane, a military jet, to get him safely out
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: of there. An amazing case of subterfuge.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: But it goes to show also.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: How high the security concerns were around Iran in the region.
• 47:54
  Speaker 28: Yeah, certainly gives a new meaning to trolley Dolly, doesn't it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 28: But yeah, look, you know, the security around the US
• 47:59
  Speaker 28: president has always been absolutely extreme, and given the attempts
• 48:03
  Speaker 28: on his life so far, and apparently there was a
• 48:05
  Speaker 28: credible threat here. I think it's amazing. It just goes
• 48:08
  Speaker 28: to show you how good the American Secret Service is.
• 48:11
  Speaker 28: But I don't know how he felt about it, being
• 48:13
  Speaker 28: stuffed into a food cut and wheeled between planes.
• 48:15
  Speaker 21: But I guess he's still alive, isn't he.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Stephen and Susie. Will catch you
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: next week. Just a little bit of time to share
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: some of your feedback from what I had to say
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: about the Bondai Royal Commission last night. One viewer says
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: this Royal Commission was never going to be unbiased, while
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: it's being overseen by the albanez He led Labor government.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says it's a setup. Nothing will come of it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: It's simply going through the expensive motions. I had more
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to say about it tonight because of Dave Sharma. No
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: doubt Sharry will have more on it at eight o'clock,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: but next is Peter Quidlin.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow