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Mark interviews Life Coach Dr. Keith Ablow. · The Mark Simone Show

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  Speaker 2: Now back to the Mark Simon Show on wo R. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you know this Trump derangement syndrome, it's a very serious thing,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a psychiatrist wrote an op ed piece
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  Speaker 2: of Wall Street Journal saying it's a serious disease. It's so.
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  Speaker 2: Miranda Divine had doctor Keith Ablow on her big, great
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  Speaker 2: podcast and he really had some insight into Trump derangement syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Keith Ablow, who's also a great Life Coach, best
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  Speaker 2: selling author. Follow him on Twitter to get his all
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  Speaker 2: of his books, and of course you see him all
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  Speaker 2: over television, doctor Keith Ablow.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing, Walmart, How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. So yeah, Miranda Divine was on
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  Speaker 2: the show. She was telling us about I mean, you experts,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we think Trump arrangement syndrome's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: funny name, but you found it's a mental disorder, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, you know this is a common, common thing
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  Speaker 1: that's afflicting people. We're not going to find it in
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  Speaker 1: a diagnostic manual, but I'll tell you people who object
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  Speaker 1: to autonomy and are not grounded in the self. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the self's a miracle, it's connected to God, it's where
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  Speaker 1: we operate most powerfully from. It's the center of human beings.
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  Speaker 1: If that is, for whatever reason, really frightening to you,
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  Speaker 1: then Donald Trump's going to be really frightening to you,
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  Speaker 1: and you're subject to Trump's arrangement syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, the politics, you know, they hated Bush, they
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  Speaker 2: hated Cheney, they hated Nixon. But with Trump it sets
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  Speaker 2: them off. He sets them off in a way I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen anybody. What is it in his personality that
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  Speaker 2: makes them crazy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. He is number one.
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  Speaker 1: There's no confusion whatsoever about his gender. He's hyper male.
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  Speaker 1: He's type of right. And this offends some people. They
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  Speaker 1: don't even know that offense un necessarily, but they're unconsciously
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  Speaker 1: deeply offended. That he has masculinity in every mannerism right.
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  Speaker 1: So that's one one aspect of it, for sure. Another
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  Speaker 1: is I'm sorry, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like nineteen fifties, really tough masculinity. We haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: that in a president in years. So that's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: What's the other one.
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  Speaker 1: It's like John Wayne is holding you know, office, and
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  Speaker 1: people don't know what to do about it. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing is that he is not in any way ambivalent
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  Speaker 1: about things. He expresses things very definitively. If you waffle,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to play both sides in the middle,
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  Speaker 1: then this is going to make you very nervous and
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  Speaker 1: you're going to take it out on Donald Trump because
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  Speaker 1: he adds up to numbers, and then in a very
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  Speaker 1: direct way, he'll say, look, here's how it looks arithmetically.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have the leverage you think you do. I
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  Speaker 1: just did all of the variable analysis. Here's your choices. Now.
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  Speaker 1: That would appeal to people who love logic and who
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  Speaker 1: really like honesty, but it doesn't appeal to people who
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  Speaker 1: want nothing to have reality. And right now Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: is on the side of reality, truth, honesty, and people
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  Speaker 1: who would like to be an avatar of themselves, to
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  Speaker 1: be anything to anyone. And to assert that countries don't
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  Speaker 1: need borders. I mean, listen, almost half the electric or
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  Speaker 1: whatever thinks maybe countries don't have to have borders. That's
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  Speaker 1: like delusional, and Donald Trump in that way will tell you, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's craziness. They will therefore hate him, fear him, and
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  Speaker 1: be subject to Trump derangement syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: So if Donald Trump came to you and said, show
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  Speaker 2: me what to do to be more likable, would you
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  Speaker 2: show him or would you say, hey, just be yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, you've got to be yourself. In a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways, the antidote to Trump derangement syndrome is
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  Speaker 1: more exposure to truth and to trumpisms. However, I would say, listen,
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  Speaker 1: you might throw in even additional humor to tell people
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, as he's done recently. He said, listen, you
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  Speaker 1: can call me a fascist if you want to have
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  Speaker 1: been called worse. So if he's able to tell people, listen,
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  Speaker 1: here's what's happening. I know. I know that, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I'm quite definitive, the fact that you know, people
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  Speaker 1: call me, you know, hyper meal, I know this offense
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  Speaker 1: some people. It's okay, We're going to get there together.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose you could do that in Olive Branch. But
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  Speaker 1: really I wouldn't change Donald Trump, and I would advise
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  Speaker 1: him keep going, man, this is what we need.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right now, doctor Keith Ablow. People are going
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  Speaker 2: to Thanksgiving dinner, they're going to probably get in a
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  Speaker 2: fight with relatives that have Trump de arrangement syndrome. What
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  Speaker 2: can they do to deal with it? Or should they
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  Speaker 2: just humor them? What should they do.
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  Speaker 1: Just humor them? One of the things about Trump derangement
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  Speaker 1: syndrome is it's very rigid. You know, if people don't
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  Speaker 1: come to my office, they may not get over it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I would say, you sidestep it, you smile, You
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  Speaker 1: ask them more questions, let them talk, and don't interrupt,
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  Speaker 1: don't insert your own opinions, because you know what, you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to convert anybody at Thanksgiving and what you
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  Speaker 1: want is peace, And so you can't. In some ways
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  Speaker 1: you just can't engage. So you dodge, you weave, You
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  Speaker 1: talk about others subjects. If people insist on talking about that,
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  Speaker 1: ask them more questions about what they think, rather than,
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  Speaker 1: you know, boldly saying you're so completely faced you're delusional.
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  Speaker 1: That's not going to work with the stuffing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see this? Psychiatrist wrote the op ed
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  Speaker 2: for the Wall Street Journal last week about Trump derangement syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: It's an actual mental disorder, and he seemed to take
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  Speaker 2: it very very seriously. On the chart of mental disorders.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that, and listen, I think what it
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  Speaker 1: is is, it's a subset. It's basically that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: those who want to be cared for as though they
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  Speaker 1: have a parent in the state, those who don't really
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  Speaker 1: want to assert their individual and individuality and autonomy, and
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  Speaker 1: who would like there to be no reality about the world.
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  Speaker 1: They are that group that are subject to Trump derangement
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  Speaker 1: syndrome and right. And so the bottom line is is
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  Speaker 1: it a clinical condition. We wouldn't medicate it. We wouldn't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I wouldn't coach anyone out of it
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  Speaker 1: without a lot of time in my office. But the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is that people should reflect who are subject
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  Speaker 1: to that. Is it possible? But because I'm not feeling
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  Speaker 1: empowered myself, that looking at someone that powerful and certain
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  Speaker 1: is deeply offensive to me.
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  Speaker 2: Huh. Now, what else Miranda said has to do with
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  Speaker 2: daddy issues? Is that? Is that true?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that masculinity quotient is so high in Trump that
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  Speaker 1: if you have ambivalence about that role and your family,
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  Speaker 1: the you know, if you have deep questions about who
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  Speaker 1: you're otherwise or what you thought of it, or or
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  Speaker 1: your own masculinity you may well be more vulnerable Trump's
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  Speaker 1: arrangement syndrome, because here's a big mac eating guy who
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  Speaker 1: is nonetheless a healthy man, a strapping fellow, even you know,
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  Speaker 1: past his sixties, And that too causes people consternation. They're like,
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  Speaker 1: how can he not be eating carrots and other vegetables
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  Speaker 1: to show us how healthy that is and still be pulling,
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  Speaker 1: you know, near all nighters. So it deeply, deeply concerns
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  Speaker 1: people who want to feel somewhat vulnerable and therefore as
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  Speaker 1: though the state should take care of them, and who
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  Speaker 1: might vote for, you know, government officials who say, don't worry,
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  Speaker 1: we'll control everything. You don't need to have any power.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trum says, no, No, you should have autonomy. Start
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  Speaker 1: being yourself, be grounded as an individual, make your own choices.
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  Speaker 1: These things cause people a lot of anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: It's also the key to a good life. Yeah, well, hey,
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  Speaker 2: great stuff. We're out of time. Hey, next time I
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  Speaker 2: gotta ask you. You treated Hunter Biden for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I think you mightn't be true that was reported in
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  Speaker 1: the news.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think you might need some more sessions. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're made.
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  Speaker 1: Out of complete the same address.
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  Speaker 2: Well, great stuff, doctor Keith Ablow. You can get his
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  Speaker 2: books on Amazon. And if people want to contact you,
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  Speaker 2: what's the best way.
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  Speaker 1: Best way is info at Keithablow dot com or just
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  Speaker 1: visit Keithablow dot com and there's a link you can
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  Speaker 1: get right to me.
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  Speaker 2: Check out his website Keithablow dot com, Doctor Keithablow. Great stuff,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for being with us. Thanks Mark, all right, take care.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. So now remember Thanksgiving dinner. Don't get into
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  Speaker 2: a big fight with everybody. Just and yes, I'm to
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