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Talking Sacramento Kings with Mark Haynes · The Stop and Pop

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  SPEAKER_01: all right welcome back to another episode of the stocking pop i have mark haynes
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  SPEAKER_01: here with me a reporter for the sacramento observer how you doing mark hey man jay
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  SPEAKER_00: man appreciate you having me i'm doing well i'm excited to be here to talk to you
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  SPEAKER_01: bro thank you appreciate you being on
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_01: So first thing I want to talk about with you is the Sacramento Kings.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they finished 46th and 36th last season,
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  SPEAKER_01: missing the playoffs due to a loss from the Pelicans in the play-in tournament.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want you to give your assessment on the season and why it wasn't a successful one as the previous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: to me,
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  SPEAKER_00: I felt like most of the years,
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  SPEAKER_00: probably about halfway through the year,
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  SPEAKER_00: I felt like the problem was...
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  SPEAKER_00: Same exact team that they were the year before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody else got better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end, obviously, you had the injury to Malik Monk.
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  SPEAKER_00: You lost Kevin Herter earlier throughout the year.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the Malik Monk injury really was the deciding factor of this team is not as good as last year.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think injuries played a part.
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  SPEAKER_00: But even if they were at full strength, I think they would have made the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may have won a couple more games to stay in that top six.
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  SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, I still think...
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody else in the league got better, especially the West.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was definitely hard because I was rooting for the Kings that season and how they
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  SPEAKER_01: was going to improve.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just seeing all them injuries happen,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was really like,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's going to take a real blow for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Plus, like you said, they didn't really get any key pieces in the offseason.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And with this year,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: getting DeRozan,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's like the Kings,
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  SPEAKER_00: Sacramento,
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  SPEAKER_00: they needed to shake some things up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I think they lacked last year.
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  SPEAKER_00: in totality is they basically,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: they had a good year,
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  SPEAKER_00: which last year's team,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: although they didn't make the playoffs,
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  SPEAKER_00: it still was a good team.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a solid team.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had a good year,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: usually 46 wins,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: usually gets you in the playoffs,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it was just that type of year.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think they needed a little,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: they needed a little something different to,
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  SPEAKER_00: to continue to take steps into the right direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: So talk more on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you think DeRozan brings to the table that the Kings didn't have last year?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, people always talk, you know, we make a big hoop line on championship DNA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously,
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  SPEAKER_00: DeRozan hasn't won a championship or anything like that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he's a veteran star in this league.
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows how to play the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows how to, with being in Toronto, with being in,
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  SPEAKER_00: and San Antonio playing under Popovich going to Chicago,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's had to play and adapt to different styles of basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's been successful everywhere he's been.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I believe just having that veteran leadership from him is going to be a big
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  SPEAKER_00: plus for the Kings this season.
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  SPEAKER_00: And back to the first question, another thing I thought the Kings lacked was
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  SPEAKER_00: Having a dog on the team.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, Darren Fox, he gets beat up a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Simone gets beat up.
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  SPEAKER_00: He had black eyes and stuff all through the season or whatever, whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's nobody really that's going to kind of like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: step up and confront somebody or,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's never any near fights,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And DeRozan, I think he understands, like, you know, he understands who he is in this league.
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  SPEAKER_00: You see, you know, we all seen the clips of him and Dylan Brooks getting into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just different people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, DeMar, he's from Compton.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's not for no games.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's one of the type of players the Kings needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: in order to, you know, take another step in the right direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Outside of him being a spectacular player,
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  SPEAKER_00: being able to put the ball in the bucket in the fourth quarter and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: close games or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: now you got him and De'Aaron Fox closing games together.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be special, but I think just that, you know, that –
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not tough guy,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just being a real one,
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  SPEAKER_00: just being a real one,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think the Kings needed that on this team,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I think that's going to help them moving forward.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think about that,
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  SPEAKER_01: about the conversation with Dylan Brooks and how he's not going to back down to
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  SPEAKER_01: anyone in this league.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can't you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: it was times last year and the year before that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: De'Aaron,
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  SPEAKER_00: he doesn't he doesn't back down from people.
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  SPEAKER_00: He gets hit.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, he he gets into, you know, verbal confrontations with people.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he's not a guy you want.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't want him getting unnecessary technicals.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't want him getting thrown out of games or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need that enforcer.
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  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the word.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think DeMar can be that enforcer for this team.
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  SPEAKER_01: That makes a lot of sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: I understand that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ideally, who do you think will be the starters for the Kings this season?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a really great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think four spots is locked up.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it'll be, you know, obviously De'Aaron Fox, DeMars, he's going to start.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bonus, Keegan Murray.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those four guys are locked in starters.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then you have, you know, Malik Monk, Kevin Herter.
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  SPEAKER_00: the guy they closed with last year due to injuries, Keion Ellis, who was like – he was great.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was great in that role last season or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great defender.
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  SPEAKER_00: He shot the ball well.
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  SPEAKER_00: He played summer league this year and did the same things.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, real solid player.
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  SPEAKER_00: So –
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that as any competitive athlete, you want to be the starter.
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  SPEAKER_00: You accept coming off the bench.
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  SPEAKER_00: You accept it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But nobody wants to come off the bench, even though you're playing starter minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to come out with the starting five.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think Malik Monk wants to start.
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  SPEAKER_00: But from what I know about Malik,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's the guy that he's been one of the biggest,
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  SPEAKER_00: if not,
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  SPEAKER_00: not to take away from what De'Aaron and Sabonis has done.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he might be,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's definitely in the argument for being one of the biggest reasons this
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  SPEAKER_00: organization turned things around.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been the way he's fit in the locker room.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been the way he's played on the court.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's done everything they've asked of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's been coachable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mike Brown is able to get on him when he wants or needs to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Malik takes it and keep it moving and stays productive.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know as a competitor he wants to start,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I do think he's the guy that nothing's really going to change in his game if
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  SPEAKER_00: you bring him off the bench.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure within him taking that pay cut to return to the Kings this summer,
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  SPEAKER_00: because he could have got more money elsewhere if he would have actually went into
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  SPEAKER_00: free agency.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think
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  SPEAKER_00: that conversation has happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that means he's going to start,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I would like the one thing that was weird,
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  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm going on with a long answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm processing it as I talk.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the one thing that,
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  SPEAKER_00: that was weird is that when,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: Kevin Herter got hurt or anybody in that shooting guard position got hurt,
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  SPEAKER_00: Malik has never gotten a start,
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  SPEAKER_00: not even like started for a long period of time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like he's never started, you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: And if he would have started some games last year or even the year before,
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  SPEAKER_00: he might have actually took home the six-man-of-the-year award.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's the one thing that'll change.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think Malik will come off the bench,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think he will start when those injuries,
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  SPEAKER_00: if those injuries happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then it comes down to Kevin Herter and Keion Ellis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kevin Herter's been a guy
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  SPEAKER_00: The first year, he had a great year.
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  SPEAKER_00: He shot the ball well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he struggled really ever since that three-point contest.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: He struggled in the contest, and then it just carried on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think they're going to give him the first shot at starting because he's been the starter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think if you can get his confidence back and get him back into a rhythm,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: he makes a lot of sense with –
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  SPEAKER_00: that starting lineup of putting DeRozan there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because Harrison Barr was a guy who could shoot the three.
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  SPEAKER_00: DeRozan, he could shoot it, but he doesn't shoot it.
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  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't shoot it at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that means spacing is going to be a little different.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if Kevin Herter can get his shot back consistent,
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  SPEAKER_00: space the floor,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it makes the most sense to give him the first shot.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think Keion Ellis...
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  SPEAKER_00: potentially can get the second chance over Malik because Malik is just in that six-man role.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's so durable.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's so flexible as far as they know that they can start him and he'll still be Malik Monk.
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  SPEAKER_00: They know they can put him on the bench and he'll still be Malik Monk.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you don't know that with Kevin Herter or Keon Ellis.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: early on,
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  SPEAKER_00: we might see a different,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a few different rotations,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially in a preseason and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I was I think Kevin Herter ultimately gets that fifth spot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense with his shooting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the next question I wanted to ask you was,
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  SPEAKER_01: with all the moves that has happened this offseason,
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  SPEAKER_01: what is one move you think the Kings can make to possibly get back to the postseason?
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  SPEAKER_01: And is there any free agents out there that they should keep their eye on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe a trade?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's a,
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  SPEAKER_00: so I suck at the trade scenarios because there's so many ways,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many ways things could go, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many things,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: I've talked to different agents and heard,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: this possibly could happen,
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  SPEAKER_00: this possibly could happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, things make sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'll say, I'll give you a hypothetical trade scenario.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll say somebody that I would target in a trade because I know they can make it, but I don't know how.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I dislike saying trade, you know, Darren Fox would hurt her to get him or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't even like saying it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But free agent-wise, I think the Kings did a really good job in free agency this year.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the quiet ones that I really like
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  SPEAKER_00: And those that know me might say I'm being biased or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: but as the guy from Fresno state or Orlando Robinson,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm from Fresno or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I've actually,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we've only met once.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not like I have a relationship with them or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just as a,
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  SPEAKER_00: as a player,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I,
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  SPEAKER_00: the back,
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  SPEAKER_00: I did a radio show.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did a radio show here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  SPEAKER_00: sacktown 1140 to drive guys and they asked me like you know what do similar
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  SPEAKER_00: questions what do i think and i said center i said james wiseman i said james
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  SPEAKER_00: wiseman as the backup backup i think the backup backup center position is important
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  SPEAKER_00: for the kings because when you look at alex lynn who's who's their backup center
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  SPEAKER_00: He comes in.
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  SPEAKER_00: He does.
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  SPEAKER_00: He do everything that he's supposed to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But is that enough to take a step?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then you don't have money to go spend on anybody to get, you know, a real legit, you know, center.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you got to experiment.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, James Wiseman, he'll be a low-cost guy who has upside.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, he hasn't turned out to be the player that being drafted number two and all.
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  SPEAKER_00: But maybe he can be a serviceable backup.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that third center spot on the team, especially with this team, it's a great opportunity to
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  SPEAKER_00: You get to work your way into that rotation spot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think Orlando Robinson is another one of those guys who can do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: He can shoot the three.
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  SPEAKER_00: He can rebound.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a legit, I believe he's seven foot.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a legit big man.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then with Alex Lynn, he's not a guy that you have to play every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alex Lynn is the perfect teammate in this role.
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  SPEAKER_00: If Orlando could come here
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  SPEAKER_00: and establish himself and make an impact.
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  SPEAKER_00: He can easily be a rotation guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Alex Lynn, whenever his number is called, he's ready.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's going to give you what he do.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's going to protect the paint.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's finished around the basket or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what you're going to get out of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Orlando Robinson is...
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  SPEAKER_00: is I think he was needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that third center spot needed to be filled with somebody with some upside and potential.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that he could shoot the ball and shoot the three,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's really good with this offense.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's going to,
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  SPEAKER_00: if he can do that consistently,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's going to get him a real opportunity to play on this team.
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  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did look into that move a little bit and I was like, that's a decent move for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it seemed like it was kind of thin with their size last season, especially on the rebounding side.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he definitely will provide that for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the other one, the hypothetical trade that I would love is another Fresno guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not I haven't heard anything or anything like that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's just somebody that would fit perfectly is Brooke Lopez.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they figured out a way to go out there and make a trade,
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  SPEAKER_00: put together a package to get Brooke Lopez with this team and be in the defensive
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  SPEAKER_00: anchor that he's grown into being.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of people don't know, Brooke was not known as a defender at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brooke was a, he was an offensive guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, he came with the nets, you know, he averaged 20 plus points, you know, every season.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's grown into this defensive juggernaut,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a rim protector and also a three point shooter,
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: and,
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: and,
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Again, you know, the Kings are really big on spacing.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: So anybody you have from this point, you know, it has to be somebody that can space the floor.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if you got somebody like a Brooke Lopez who could protect the paint and plus,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: shoot the ball from deep on offense,
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: he would be the perfect person for this roster.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: But like I said, Milwaukee ain't giving them up.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: They literally just came out that day and now they're going to give up Brook Lopez.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: But now they're moving if they can get him.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I like Brook Lopez.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact about Brook Lopez, I believe he's the all-time leading scorer for the Nets.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just found that out a few weeks ago.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's crazy.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because he was there like five, six years.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody's been there five, six years.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think of anybody who's been there for that long period of time.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's crazy.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's funny.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if he knows.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: He probably doesn't.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good one.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: So the next question I wanted to ask you is,
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: So Devin Carter, 13th pick of the draft, and he's recovering from shoulder injury, six months.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you think he would be like when he comes back, the type of player that the Kings could expect?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's going to have a lot of similarities to Davion Mitchell,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: who they just traded to Toronto this summer.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's a guy that's going to defend.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's a better shooter than Davion.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, again, floor spacing is really big with this team.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: But the one thing that's crazy,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: like the dude's 6'2",
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: 6'3",
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: and in college he was grabbing eight rebounds a game.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've seen that.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously I don't think any of us expect him to grab eight rebounds, but when it comes to rebounder,
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: like Dennis Rodman is arguably one of the greatest,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: he is one of the greatest rebounders of all times.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he's 6'6", 6'5", whatever.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, rebounding just shows that you're giving effort on the court.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: And Devin Carter is a dude that no matter what role you put him in, he's going to give you effort.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to give you energy.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he's a guy that the Kings, from what I'm told, the Kings were really big on.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, obviously they knew about the shoulder injury.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: But when they seen that he dropped, I'm told they thought he would be gone.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't be at 13.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: But because of the injury, he ended up dropping to 13, and it was like we can't pass up on him.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: So they're really big.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: The Kings are really big on him.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think,
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: shoulder injury isn't an injury that kind of really changed,
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: much about you.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: incoming basketball is just something that's going to have him out for,
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: six months or so.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I think he's going to be a very versatile player.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: defender in this league at minimum,
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: and it's just cause,
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: and that's all cause of his mindset,
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: his dad,
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Anthony Carter played in the league or whatever.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: So he knows what it takes to be a professional.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: He knows what it takes to stay on a team.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something that's really valuable in the NBA.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because you see all kinds of players coming in and out the league.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Most players don't stick around.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you got a guy...
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: And Devin Carter, who's 21, 22 years old, he's a mature rookie.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: So he's not like a young guy.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: His body is developed.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's a man.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's a man.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a kid or whatever.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I think they're getting a guy.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: And even though he'll be out six months, I wouldn't be surprised.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like most guys with this injury, if you're a 19-year-old kid or whatever, he's 16, six months out.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: you might just consider it he's not going to play this year.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that Devin Carter knows how to play the game, he knows he's not coming in to be a star.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: He knows he's not coming in to jack up shots.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: you could always find minutes for those guys.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't be surprised if he,
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: when he comes back,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: he comes back and plays and,
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: and contributes.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I think they got a really good –
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: player that,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: especially at that 13th pick,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: when you looked at some of the guys,
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: you had,
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: you had Jeremy Kane there,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: who's also,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: he's from Sacramento and,
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: that would have been a cool story and all just,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: homegrown and,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: get them,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: get them here or whatever,
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: whatnot.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I think ultimately, I think Devin Carter was the perfect fit and the perfect pick for this team.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, what they're trying to build, you know, they have a star in De'Aaron Fox,
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: They have another all-star, Damanis Sabonis.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: They are huge on Keegan Murray.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Keegan Murray has been somebody that's been untouchable in trade scenarios.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Teams are calling left and right, you know, trying to get him.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's for reasons.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: You got Malik back for the next four years, you know, and you have a lot set.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you just needed a guy.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: that you can fit into everything that you have working.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're not a glue guy.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And Devin Carter, he's the rookie, especially in this draft class.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's the rookie that can do that.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: That makes a lot of sense.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to seeing him play because like you said,
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like he does fit well with this team.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: even though he plays the same role kind of like a Davion Mitchell,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: do you think that will kind of phase Leon,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: phase Ellis out or do you think they can play together?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: So just thinking on how Mike Brown kind of runs his rotations,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think – I believe they can play together.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think they will play much together.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that's just kind of how Mike runs his rotations and things like that.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: But –
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Keyon will be a guy that, you know, he's similar to Alex Lynn.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's similar to Alex Lynn.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to play him.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he's going to come in and be disruptive, you know, on defense.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to knock down shots.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to play hard.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: His spirit,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: both of them,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: from the small time I've been around Devin Carter,
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: their spirit is always upbeat.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if Keyon doesn't play 10 straight games,
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's not going to be on the bench sobbing and soaking or anything like that.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's always going to stay ready.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's a true professional.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's an advantage of...
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: for a coach where you could,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: you got guys that I could literally just bench them to try this or try that,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think,
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think at the same time,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: it's an advantage,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: but it could,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: it could hurt you if you don't,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: at some point you have to decide this person is going to play.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: This person isn't.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: um,
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: I,
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't,
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it'll be a problem,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: but I don't,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they'll play much together,
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: but I think they can.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I could see some lineups where they both will be together.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know Mike Brown will probably try to experiment with a few things during preseason.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Ultimately, he'll figure out a roster rotation that will work for him.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: So all in all, where do you think they will finish rank-wise in the Western Conference?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Man, so I'm really big on the DeRozan deal.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about it a little earlier.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think DeMar is a winner.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think also, like, even with him being a star in the NBA the last –
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: over a decade,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's like 14,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: 15 years,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: whatever it is,
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: he understands that,
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: this is De'Aaron Fox's team,
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: and then Damaris Sabonis is their other perennial all-star.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: And Damar could get back to,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: all-star level,
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: but the success of this team is going to lie,
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: heavily on how well
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: he could fit in.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Harrison Barnes was a guy that Sacramento loved.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: The players loved him.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's an amazing teammate.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's something DeMar has to be.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: He will be.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be a great teammate.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: On the court,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: in order to make this team better,
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: he has to be better than Harrison Barnes,
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: which obviously we all believe he's a better player than Harrison.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely a difference when
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the guy.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And even being Robin, being number two.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: But number three is extremely difficult.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: You're seeing guys like Chris Bosh and Kevin Love and other guys that struggled in that role.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then you see guys like Clay Thompson when they had KD and Steph.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Clay was...
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Easily, he's probably the best number three person in the history of the game.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: For real, though.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: He figured out how to average 20 on a team with Steph and Klay.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Steph and KD.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's crazy.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, DeMar has to be – he's an efficient guy.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, that's – like, everything that he has in him makes sense to be –
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: The perfect third man.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: And if he can be that, they'll be back in the playoffs.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: The Western Conference is so crazy that it's hard to say who will be that top six.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: But if DeMar can come and be an elite third option, help close games when needed in the fourth quarter,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Sacramento Kings will be somewhere in that mix and be in that top six.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely agree with that.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely think they have what it takes to make that top six.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like some teams got better,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: but I feel like they probably was one of the biggest offseason winners this offseason.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that, like you said, the Rosen fitting in, that's what makes the huge difference.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and...
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, my co-hosts on my podcast, they've been...
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: They've been killing me about my prediction of Memphis, Memphis returning to the top six.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I think they'll be right back there.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like,
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: the hardest part is saying who's coming out,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: who's not going to be at the top six.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: That question right there, you know, it could be anybody.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: It could be the Kings.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: It could be, you know, it could be Dallas, even though Dallas just went to the finals.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: but the West is really,
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: that good and that intriguing that,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: it should be a very,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: very fun season,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: especially for Western Conference lovers.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely, definitely.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I want to thank you, Mark, for being on my podcast.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Let everybody know where they can find you on Instagram or Twitter or on threads,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: wherever you have most of your work at.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: First off, man, thank you for inviting me and having me on your show.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's an honor.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully we can do this again.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: You guys, you can find me on my Instagram, Twitter, TikTok.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: I believe all my social platforms are all Mark Haynes NBA.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: you can follow or, you know, find, find my podcast.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's three in the paint podcast.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's the handle on all platforms, but yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: covering this i'm dominantly covering the sacramento kings but i but i do cover the
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: entire nba you know and um you know again jerry man i appreciate you having me on
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: and anytime you need me man during the season let's do this again and you know i i
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: really appreciate you giving me this opportunity no problem thank you for being on
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: yes sir all right have a good one you too man enjoy your day you too