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S1: She and her family have seen four different wars against Israel.
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S1: Most recently, she survived a bombing from Iran. Just ahead,
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S1: you'll see what war is really like from someone who's
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S1: been there and been there and been there. Welcome to
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S1: the land and the book. Doctor Charlie Dyer is our
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S1: host and guide, a lifelong student of the Middle East.
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S1: Before we get to our current events, though, we are
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S1: quickly approaching the third anniversary of the October 7th attack
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S1: on Israel. And these past few years have been a
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S1: time of profound grief and hardship for Israelis and for
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S1: Jewish people around the world. In addition to the horrors
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S1: of October 7th itself, the worldwide rise in anti-Semitism has
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S1: stunned and saddened all those who love Israel. As a
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S1: response to this, our friends at Life in Messiah have
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S1: been working on a documentary called Shadows of October Israel
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S1: Under Siege. The film addresses the hard questions of where
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S1: was God in the events of October 7th? Why is
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S1: antisemitism rising around the world, and how should we move
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S1: forward through powerful testimony from survivors alongside expert analysis? Shadows
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S1: of October investigates the events, long term impact and spiritual
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S1: implications of the October 7th, 2023, attack on Israel.
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S2: Yeah, I've watched the film myself, John and Shadows of
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S2: October forces viewers to confront the reality of antisemitism and
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S2: its impact on the Jewish people following the Hamas attack
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S2: on October 7th. You experience the hatred, the heartache, but
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S2: also the hope through the eyes of those who were there.
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S2: The film is currently available on streaming services. For details
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S2: on how you can watch it or arrange a screening
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S2: for your church, visit Life in messiah.org and click on
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S2: the Moody Radio button. That's life in messiah.org.
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S1: And now a look at current events. Earlier this week,
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S1: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was criticized for issuing a warning
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S1: regarding global and regional terrorist plots targeting Israelis and Jews abroad.
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S1: Political opponents called it a political distraction. But then Wednesday,
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S1: Israeli passengers on a flydubai flight from Dubai to Tel
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S1: Aviv helped subdue the co-pilot, who had stabbed the pilot
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S1: and was trying to crash the plane. This is still
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S1: a developing story, but what do we know so far?
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S2: Yeah, the initial reports were confusing, but it appears that
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S2: about two hours into the flight, the co-pilot, who was
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S2: apparently from Oman, stabbed the pilot, an Emirati, and then
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S2: attempted to crash the plane. During the struggle, an emergency
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S2: code was activated, causing Israel to scramble fighter jets. The
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S2: flight dropped from 34,000ft to 17,000ft in under a minute. Wow.
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S2: And the speed and stress actually tore part of the
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S2: rudder off the plane's tail. Israeli passengers rushed the cockpit
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S2: and helped subdue the hijacker. They also treated the pilot
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S2: who'd been stabbed. another pair of pilots on the plane
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S2: took control of the flight. The plane was actually in
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S2: Jordanian airspace, but it turned back into Saudi Arabia and
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S2: landed at Tabuk, about 125 miles from Eilat. This was
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S2: apparently a terrorist incident. What's not yet clear is whether
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S2: it was a terrorist acting on his own, or part
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S2: of a plot by Iran or some other country or group.
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S2: What we do know is that individuals on the plane
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S2: sprang into action to stop the attacker and save the
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S2: aircraft and passengers. And for that, we can all be thankful.
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S1: Yeah. Thankful indeed. Last weekend, British forces thwarted a planned
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S1: terrorist attack on an Air Force base being used by
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S1: the United States. Does this point to an expansion in
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S1: Iran's attempts to attack the U.S.? And could this incident
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S1: lead to a U.S. attack on Iran before our elections?
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S2: Well, the British downplayed connections to Iran, saying the suspects
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S2: were British nationals in their 20s and then released them
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S2: on bail. Iran also denied any connection to the incident. However,
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S2: there are enough unanswered questions to suggest there might be
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S2: more to this story than what's been reported so far.
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S2: The base has been used by the US for airstrikes
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S2: on Iran. Until more details are released, like the names
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S2: of the five individuals or their ethnicity and what was
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S2: found inside the three vans they had. We're just left
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S2: with more questions than answers, but the incident is a
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S2: reminder that Iran continues to look for ways to strike
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S2: at targets around the world, from the bombings in Argentina
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S2: in 1992 and 1994 to a bus bombing in Bulgaria
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S2: in 2012. Iran has plotted numerous terrorist attacks worldwide against Israel.
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S2: They've also developed the ability to launch now cyber attacks
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S2: against civilian targets. Iranian hackers shut down a small power
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S2: plant in the UK earlier this year, taking it offline
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S2: for four days. And this summer, suspected Iranian hackers targeted
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S2: civilian water systems in at least 30 Minnesota communities, along
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S2: with attacks against communities in at least six other states.
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S2: How could all this lead to a U.S. military response?
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S2: President Trump has said the U.S. might respond to Iran
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S2: militarily after the elections, though a successful attack on a U.S.
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S2: base or facility could force him to act sooner. He
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S2: rejected Iran's cease fire proposal to open the Strait of
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S2: Hormuz because Iran was asking for everything they want up front,
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S2: with only a promise to then start negotiating. Our ambassador
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S2: to the U.N. said Iran wasn't negotiating in good faith.
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S2: You know, they demonstrated a similar pattern previously when they
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S2: violated the memorandum of understanding almost as soon as it
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S2: had been negotiated. So right now, it looks like the
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S2: question isn't whether or not there will be conflict, but
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S2: whether it will happen before or after our upcoming elections.
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S1: You're listening to the land in the book with Middle
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S1: East expert doctor Charlie Dyer. I'm John Gager. It's a
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S1: current event segment as we open the program. With just
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S1: over three weeks until Israel's elections, the political scene there
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S1: continues to fluctuate. What are the latest developments in what
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S1: all sides are calling a crucial election?
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S2: Well, it starts with Israel's election panel disqualifying all the
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S2: Arab parties from running in the election. Now, as we
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S2: record this, it's almost certain that's going to be overturned
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S2: by Israel's high Court. But it definitely grabbed headlines. Now,
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S2: here's the background to that. Parties, including Jewish parties, have
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S2: been banned in the past, including a far left Socialist
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S2: Party and a far right Jewish nationalist party back in 1988.
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S2: Under their law, parties or individual candidates can be barred
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S2: if they negate Israel as a Jewish and democratic state,
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S2: incite racism or support armed struggle or terror against the state.
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S2: But in the past, the High Court has overturned nearly
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S2: all such requests. The one uncertainty in this case is
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S2: the disqualification of the chairman of the Arab Jointless Balad
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S2: party that was approved by the coalition and by opposition parties,
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S2: along with the Attorney General and the Supreme Court justice
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S2: who oversees the panel. So it's possible that individual might
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S2: be disqualified. Now, to put the headline in perspective. The
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S2: committee also received petitions to bar the far right wing
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S2: Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich parties and the left wing Democrats party.
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S2: This might sound strange to us with our two party system,
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S2: but in Israel it's just a messier version of democracy.
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S2: Now another election matters. The leaders of the four opposition
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S2: parties met to decide how to campaign against Netanyahu. They
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S2: agreed not to attack each other, but to focus on
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S2: attacking him. But they didn't agree on how they could
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S2: work together to govern if they're elected. And fractures started
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S2: almost immediately. Avigdor Lieberman, head of Yisrael Beiteinu party, ruled
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S2: out serving in a coalition with ultra-Orthodox or Arab parties.
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S2: The next day, the head of the Democrats party said
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S2: Arab parties could be part of the next government. But
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S2: right now, polls are suggesting the current coalition and the
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S2: four parties in the change bloc are each going to
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S2: fall short of the 61 seats necessary to form a government,
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S2: which means there will need to be serious campaigning in
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S2: the next month or a willingness to compromise following the election.
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S1: Devastating climate change, superpower clashes and peace treaties that fell apart. No,
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S1: this isn't a description of today, though it sounds eerily similar. Charlie,
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S1: tell us about the parallel situation that happened 3300 years
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S1: ago that caused the entire Middle East to collapse.
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S2: Yeah, and this all starts with an announcement out of
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S2: Turkey two weeks ago that archaeologists had unearthed the fragment
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S2: of an ancient cuneiform text that formed part of the
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S2: world's oldest surviving peace treaty. Now, the peace treaty was
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S2: signed between Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses II and the Hittite king
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S2: Hattusili the third, to bring about an end to their
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S2: conflict over territory in what's now Syria. An Egyptian version
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S2: of the treaty had earlier been discovered in Karnak and Luxor,
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S2: and a Hittite version was known, so this recent discovery
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S2: was part of still another copy. But it's the historical
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S2: and political background that gives this story such significance. They
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S2: were the two superpowers of the day, and they were
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S2: fighting for control over the eastern Mediterranean. A battle took
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S2: place in 1274 BC at Kadesh in what's now Syria.
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S2: Both sides suffered heavy casualties. It ended in a stalemate,
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S2: but as the two powers were locked in this potential conflict,
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S2: other powers were growing from the sea peoples in the
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S2: west to the Assyrians in the south. So the treaty
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S2: was eventually signed, with both nations agreeing not to invade
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S2: the other's land and to come to the other's aid
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S2: if they were attacked. Recognizing the conflict had actually weakened
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S2: both empires. Now, here's the interesting part. In spite of
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S2: the treaty, both countries suffered devastating losses in the next
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S2: 80 years, and the Hittite empire actually vanished. Part of
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S2: the reason were other outside threats. But the other part
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S2: of the problem was climate change caused by natural disasters.
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S2: Several earthquakes severely damaged some major urban centers, and a
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S2: devastating drought, possibly caused by a distant volcanic eruption, caused
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S2: catastrophic crop failures, forcing mass migrations. The superpowers of the
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S2: day finally decided to stop fighting and start working together.
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S2: But in the end, at least for the Hittites, it
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S2: proved to be too little, too late.
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S1: MM. Well, Charlie, tell us about the discovery of a
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S1: monumental ritual bath at the southern steps leading up to
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S1: the Temple Mount.
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S2: Yeah, I found this significant on several levels. First, it's
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S2: another reminder that the Jewish temple stood on the platform
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S2: now occupied by the dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosque.
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S2: Those who went up had to ritually purify themselves by
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S2: immersing in one of the baths there. But the second
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S2: reason this is significant is the pure size of it.
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S2: This complex covered over 3000ft². It contained a pool, and
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S2: it also had three large ritual baths on the day
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S2: of Pentecost. You know, they said they baptized 3000 believers.
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S2: And now as you look at it, you go, I
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S2: think I know how it could be done. Wow.
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S1: And that's a look at current events. Up next on
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S1: the land and the book A Life Disrupted by Terror.
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S1: Stick around. Not many people can say they've had a
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S1: front row seat to not one, but three terrifying moments
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S1: of war. Today's guest can, though it's a reality she'll
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S1: never be able to fully put behind her. The experiences
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S1: have kind of lit a fire in her soul to
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S1: now advocate for the nation of Israel, and she's doing
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S1: just that in powerful ways. Hey, welcome back to the
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S1: land and the book. I'm John Gager, and I want
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S1: you to meet today's guest, Deborah Ben Aderet. Deborah grew
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S1: up in the suburbs of Chicago, where she was raised
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S1: in a conservative Jewish home. As an adult, Deborah became
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S1: an active member of AIPAC, a ZM, and other pro-Israel organizations.
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S1: In 2012, she quit her job in Chicago's Merchandise Mart,
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S1: sold her car, rented out her Lakeview condo and with
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S1: her two cats, made Aliyah that's moving to Israel. And
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S1: a year later, Deborah met the Israeli man who would
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S1: become her husband. She left Tel Aviv, moved with him
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S1: to the southern city of Ashkelon, a beautiful city, I
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S1: might add. Deborah and her family are survivors of the
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S1: October 7th attack. Were honored to have her with us
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S1: again on the land in the book. Thanks for agreeing
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S1: to share with us today, Deborah.
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S3: I am honored to be here. Thank you.
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S1: Well, let's begin with a brief recap of your harrowing
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S1: October 7th experience for somebody who maybe didn't catch that
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S1: original interview.
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S3: Yeah. So after we moved to Ashkelon, we built a
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S3: home in a kibbutz on the Gaza border. We lived
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S3: on the Gaza border for about eight years. We survived many,
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S3: many Hamas attacks before October 7th. October 7th was actually
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S3: the third time we had been evacuated. We thought we
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S3: were just having another rocket day and let that sink in.
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S3: We were just used to having rocket days growing up
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S3: in Chicago. We had snow days, and on the Gaza
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S3: border you have rocket days. We thought we were having
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S3: another rocket day and we went into our bomb shelter,
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S3: which doubles as our daughter's bedroom. It looks like any
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S3: other bedroom. It's a reinforced room with metal doors that
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S3: close the windows and a reinforced metal door. Otherwise, it
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S3: looks like a normal bedroom. And that's our bomb shelter.
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S3: And we spent, you know, an hour or two in
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S3: there listening to rockets explode until we heard doo doo
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S3: doo doo doo, which was a machine gun. And my
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S3: husband and I way too close for comfort. And my
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S3: husband and I looked at each other and went, that's
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S3: not normal. We brought a TV in for my girls
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S3: to watch movies and distract them. They were six and
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S3: eight at the time, and we just quickly learned this
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S3: was not just another rocket war. We lost all Wi-Fi,
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S3: all phone reception, we lost all contact, which probably was
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S3: a good thing because we didn't really know what we
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S3: had survived until the next day until October 8th. We
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S3: did get some text messages from our security that said,
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S3: turn off your air conditioning because you can tell someone's
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S3: home if the air conditioning is on. Turn off your air.
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S3: Turn off your lights. Lock up your house. Pretend that
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S3: you aren't home because there have been ground infiltrations. And
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S3: that was terrifying. We did not have a gun. My
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S3: husband did not serve in the Army Reserves because he
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S3: has a PhD in engineering. It's not a field that
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S3: you go to the reserves. So he took out kitchen
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S3: knives and laid them on the counter in case we
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S3: were going to have infiltrations. We did not yet know
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S3: about the Nova Festival, about the kibbutzim, the communities that
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S3: had been massacred, burned, slaughtered. We didn't know any of
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S3: that was happening. The only thing that we knew from
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S3: our security is there was some ground infiltrations. So we
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S3: spent the night there, and our whole community was evacuated
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S3: on October 8th to a hotel in Jerusalem. And it
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S3: was really only then, as we reached the main highway
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S3: and got cell phone reception, that we started learning really
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S3: what we had just survived. I'm very grateful that driving
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S3: my children from our home to the main highway, neither
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S3: my children nor I saw the dead Hamas bodies along
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S3: the side of the road. However, my husband did. I
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S3: was just driving, making a beeline from our community. Mama bear.
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S3: Fight or flight to get out of there. And as
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S3: the days went on and weeks went on, we learned
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S3: what we had really survived us personally in our kibbutz. Again,
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S3: the short version is that 50 terrorists came up through
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S3: the ocean. We lived about a half a mile from
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S3: the ocean. 50 Hamas terrorists came by several small little
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S3: boats to try to infiltrate the beach. The IDF managed
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S3: to take out 41 of the 59 still managed to
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S3: come up through the beach. Slaughter and murder everyone they saw,
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S3: including some friends of kids of ours in the kibbutz.
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S3: Everybody knows somebody. This is one degree of separation. And
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S3: then they proceeded to go to the army base, which
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S3: is located between the beach in our community. They had
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S3: a big shootout fight there. They stole an army truck
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S3: and headed towards our community. We learned later the machine
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S3: gun that we heard was a shootout between our security
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S3: forces in the kibbutz and Hamas. It was pretty terrifying.
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S3: So that's the summary.
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S1: Deborah Ben Aderet joins us today on the land and
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S1: the book. She's had a front row seat to a
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S1: number of terrifying moments of war. Do you find that
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S1: with the passage of time, you have at least maybe
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S1: a teeny bit less stress? Do you have just a
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S1: couple of less nightmares or does it hang over you
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S1: like a permanent dark cloud?
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S3: Well, that's a good question. I definitely don't have fears
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S3: that Hamas is going to infiltrate and come close to
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S3: my home again. But it's not over. And when you
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S3: live in Israel, it's never over. If it's not Hamas,
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S3: it's Hezbollah. You know, it's jihad from everywhere. It's Iran,
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S3: it's the Houthis. It's it's not over. My family and
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S3: I personally, we moved about a half an hour away
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S3: from the border. So I tried to comfort my girls
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S3: and tell them, you're not going to have 5 to
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S3: 8 seconds to get to the safe room. Now guess what, guys?
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S3: We'll have a whole minute. Isn't it amazing when Iran
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S3: sends a rocket? We'll have a minute. I mean, it's
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S3: all relative, right? However, my 11 year old now, my
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S3: girls are nine and 11. and when we moved into
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S3: the new house, she sought out the bomb shelter and
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S3: wanted that to be her bedroom. So the whole country
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S3: is in some form of PTSD and trauma. So it's
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S3: not like I actually think Hamas is going to come
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S3: through our front door. But there's, you know, if you
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S3: live in Israel, you need to accept you're constantly under
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S3: some sort of threat or attack.
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S1: All right, let's talk about another adventure of yours that
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S1: was totally unexpected.
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S3: So my husband and I were supposed to celebrate our
17:05
S3: ten year anniversary in Italy on October 13th, 2023. Needless
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S3: to say, that did not happen. We were not going
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S3: to Italy. So to make up for this lost anniversary trip,
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S3: we planned a short four nights away to Dubai around
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S3: the end of this past February. My parents flew in
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S3: from Chicago to visit anyway, so we used that as
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S3: a good time to have babysitters and take this vacation
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S3: to Dubai. We knew that things with Iran were heating up.
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S3: We knew that we might possibly get stuck in Dubai
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S3: because Ben-Gurion, the Israeli airport, might get closed. We knew
17:45
S3: that was a little risk. We never thought we would
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S3: experience what actually happened. And what actually happened was that
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S3: Iran attacked Dubai. They bombed the airport. They bombed a hotel,
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S3: two hotels down from us. We were in the local
18:02
S3: mall and heard a huge explosion, which unfortunately, my husband
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S3: and I are used to. But all of the young
18:09
S3: sales girls started crying, screaming. Everybody in the mall was
18:13
S3: hysterically screaming and freaking out, and I finished trying on
18:16
S3: my jeans because I was like, it already hit. So
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S3: what are we gonna do? But something that we really
18:23
S3: realized is that the UAE is not prepared for rockets.
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S3: They're not used to it. They haven't had to be prepared.
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S3: There are no designated bomb shelters. They really had no
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S3: idea what to do and the security of our hotel.
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S3: What they did is they closed the outside pool and
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S3: the outside areas, and they told everyone to come in
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S3: the lobby. Now the lobby is 40 foot glass walls,
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S3: glass ceiling, massive glass chandeliers. And my husband and I
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S3: asked to please speak to the head of security and to,
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S3: in a way, trying not to sound condescending, explain to him,
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S3: this is not what you do when rockets are flying
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S3: at you. This isn't what you do. It's actually safer
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S3: to be outside and just get on the ground and
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S3: put your hands over your head. I was so really
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S3: stressed out and angry and said to them, I live
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S3: like this. I live in Israel. I live under constant
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S3: rocket attack. This is supposed to be my vacation. I
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S3: will sign a waiver, but I am going to the pool.
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S3: And so I did, and I was the first one
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S3: to go down to the security guy at the pool.
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S3: He didn't. Well, I've been given orders that you can't.
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S3: I said, no, no, you talk to the head of security.
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S3: I'm sitting at the pool and I sat at the pool,
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S3: and shortly another Israeli couple came and joined us. So
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S3: as the days went on, even though their airport was
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S3: closed and no guests were coming, and guests started leaving
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S3: because they were opening flights like to Europe, of course,
19:50
S3: they weren't opening flights to Israel because we were under
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S3: active rocket attack, but guests started getting out so we
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S3: would be sitting at the pool trying to get on
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S3: a flight, trying to get out of Dubai. We were
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S3: on one of the last rescue flights out of Dubai.
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S3: The airport was closed. It was only 300 of us
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S3: Israelis waiting for this flight. They had the head of
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S3: their security and they had one of the head of
20:18
S3: Israeli security's. Walk us through how we're going to do this.
20:21
S3: He said, don't anybody post anything anywhere on social media.
20:25
S3: This is a secret rescue flight. It's only three hours
20:28
S3: to Israel, but we are taking a 5.5 hour indirect
20:31
S3: flight so that Iran doesn't see that there's a flight
20:35
S3: of Israelis going from the UAE to Israel because Iran
20:38
S3: doesn't have anything necessarily against the UAE. They're mad at Israel.
20:42
S3: Let's bomb everyone we know.
20:44
S1: Today on the land. In the book, we're learning just
20:46
S1: a bit more about the life of Deborah Ben Aderet
20:49
S1: and her adventures. And I want to move now toward
20:51
S1: a new chapter in your life of advocacy. Talk about
20:54
S1: what you're doing, why and what does it look like?
20:57
S3: You know, I moved to Israel not for an easier life,
21:00
S3: not for a cheaper life, not for my husband. Totally
21:03
S3: by myself. And I moved there because I started becoming
21:06
S3: such a big advocate, not because Israel is perfect, but
21:10
S3: just for the truth about Israel and everything that Israel
21:13
S3: has been through and its right to exist. I can't
21:16
S3: even believe we have to say that these days, especially
21:19
S3: a lot of the young college age kids in America,
21:21
S3: they have no idea what they're talking about. And so
21:24
S3: I wanted to be like, you know, hear it from me.
21:26
S3: I lived through it. So I started a, you know,
21:30
S3: an Instagram account. And I just share real life experiences
21:34
S3: of what's going on in Israel, how there is no apartheid.
21:38
S3: And so it's just become very important to me. And
21:41
S3: so I'm advocating on Instagram. I have a Facebook page.
21:44
S3: I'm doing like this interviews whenever I can. And I
21:48
S3: want to talk about, if I can for a minute
21:50
S3: about some really scary campaign that has been ramping up
21:54
S3: in the states and around the world called the BDS movement,
21:57
S3: and it stands for boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. And it's
22:01
S3: a global Palestinian led campaign. They claim to promote economic, cultural,
22:06
S3: and political pressure on Israel. And their stated goals are
22:10
S3: to end the occupation of Palestinian territories and secure equal
22:15
S3: rights for Palestinian citizens of Israel. But really, this movement's
22:20
S3: goal is to end the Jewish state. They urge consumers
22:24
S3: and groups to stop buying Israeli products, to not support
22:28
S3: cultural and academic institutions in Israel. They pressure banks to
22:32
S3: pull their investments out of Israel. And if you want
22:36
S3: to stop buying and using Israeli products, you know what?
22:39
S3: Put down your cell phone. Stop your cancer treatment, your
22:42
S3: drip irrigation, stop eating cherry tomatoes. It's such a silly thing.
22:46
S3: So boycott all those contributions to the world. Anyway, I
22:50
S3: remember in 2015 when this movement, and you might remember
22:54
S3: this heavily targeted SodaStream because its factory was in the
22:58
S3: West Bank. Guess who suffered? 500 Palestinians lost their job
23:04
S3: because they worked at SodaStream. So that's just an example
23:08
S3: about how this movement's goal isn't really to protect Palestinians.
23:12
S3: It's really to hurt Israel. I want to talk about
23:15
S3: this organization called The Sword of Gideon. It's a volunteer
23:19
S3: team right now because we're so new. It's a civilian
23:23
S3: led international NGO focused on empowering communities to keep BDS
23:29
S3: and its harmful ideology out of local city halls. We
23:33
S3: provide citizens with the knowledge, the tools, the strategies to
23:37
S3: recognize and respond to extremist influence at a local level
23:41
S3: before it shapes broader policy. So really, we're fighting for
23:45
S3: local democracy.
23:46
S1: And we're going to link you to that website as
23:48
S1: you visit us at the land and thebook.org. Again, it's
23:52
S1: called what again.
23:52
S3: The Sword of Gideon. If you're going to Google it,
23:55
S3: you really have to Google the sword of Gideon dot ORG.
23:59
S1: Well, lots of great content there, including some talking points.
24:02
S1: I was there, loved what I found. You know, there
24:05
S1: are false claims like the Palestinian people have had their
24:08
S1: land and rights taken away since 1948. The fact is,
24:12
S1: the 1948 war was initiated by Arab states, not Israel.
24:17
S1: On and on it goes. Lies are countered with truth.
24:21
S1: All kinds of great stuff there. And again, we'll link
24:23
S1: you to that website as you visit us at the
24:25
S1: land and thebook.org. Deborah, your last word to listeners who say,
24:30
S1: you know, I want to do something I can't stand
24:33
S1: by and do nothing. As Christians, we're called to stand
24:36
S1: with Israel. What's your number one thing that we should
24:39
S1: maybe think about doing?
24:41
S3: Well, first of all, I'm very grateful because whoever's listening
24:44
S3: to this cares in the first place. I have been
24:48
S3: saying for 30 something years, Israel has to work on
24:51
S3: their hasbara and hasbara means like education, explaining. It's unfortunate
24:56
S3: that Al Jazeera has become a lot of people's, quote,
24:59
S3: news source. So what I would just say is just
25:02
S3: spread the truth. Knowledge is what we really need to
25:06
S3: get out there because, um, we have two wars. We
25:09
S3: have the real war on the ground in the Middle East,
25:12
S3: and we have this awful propaganda war. We're fighting against
25:16
S3: a huge, growing, incorrect, biased, anti-Semitic, anti-Israel rhetoric. And the
25:23
S3: best things you can do are spread the word, spread
25:26
S3: the truth.
25:27
S1: Well, that's great advice and I hate to wrap it
25:30
S1: up here, but we've got to. The clock says we must,
25:32
S1: but we'll surely connect again. Deborah, thanks so much for
25:34
S1: your time.
25:35
S3: Thank you so much. It's really an honor.
25:37
S1: One last quick reminder. The website to go to is
25:40
S1: The Sword of gideon.org. We love that Bible character, the
25:45
S1: Sword of Gideon dot ORG. And up next on the
25:48
S1: land in the book, Doctor Gerald Federman is in the
25:50
S1: studio to answer your Bible questions. All ahead on today's
25:53
S1: edition of The Land and the book. Hope you've been
26:07
S1: enjoying today's edition of The Land and the book. I'm
26:10
S1: John Gager looking forward to hanging out with Doctor Gerald Peterman.
26:13
S1: He's here in the studio. He's smiling. He's got questions.
26:16
S1: Where do we get these questions? Where do they come from?
26:18
S4: Doctor Peterman we listeners send them in to us every week.
26:21
S4: Every day, every ten days. It's so much fun.
26:24
S1: Yeah, yeah. A stack of them. As always. waiting for
26:26
S1: your careful attention. Actually, here's the secret. If you've written
26:30
S1: Doctor Peterman, you've already gotten his response. See, that's the magic.
26:33
S1: You send it to us in an email at the
26:35
S1: land and the book@moody.edu. In just a few days, maybe
26:39
S1: a week later, you get a personalized response, right?
26:42
S5: That's right.
26:43
S1: Yeah. So don't be afraid to take advantage of this
26:45
S1: great resource. Your question in Doctor Peterman's inbox. And believe me,
26:49
S1: this is the guy to get it to because he's
26:51
S1: been teaching at Moody for how long?
26:53
S4: Since 2002.
26:55
S1: That's that's a that's a long time to be teaching
26:57
S1: the Bible. He knows the word, loves the word, and
26:59
S1: shares it with you as you email that question to
27:01
S1: the land and the book@moody.edu. We are quickly approaching the
27:07
S1: third anniversary of the October 7th attack on Israel, and
27:11
S1: these past few years have been a time of profound
27:13
S1: grief and hardship for Israelis and for Jewish people around
27:17
S1: the world. In addition to the horrors of October 7th itself,
27:21
S1: the worldwide rise in anti-Semitism has stunned. has saddened all
27:25
S1: those who love Israel. And as a response, our friends
27:28
S1: at Life in Messiah have been working on a documentary
27:31
S1: called Shadows of October Israel Under Siege. This fantastic film
27:36
S1: addresses the hard questions of where was God in the
27:39
S1: events of October 7th? Why is anti-Semitism rising around the
27:43
S1: world and how should we move forward? Through powerful testimony
27:47
S1: from survivors alongside expert analysis, Shadows of October investigates the events,
27:53
S1: long term impact and spiritual implications of the October 7th, 2023,
27:58
S1: attack on Israel.
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S2: Yeah, I've watched the film myself, John and Shadows of
28:02
S2: October forces viewers to confront the reality of anti-Semitism and
28:07
S2: its impact on the Jewish people following the Hamas attack
28:10
S2: on October 7th. You experienced the hatred, the heartache, and
28:14
S2: the hope through the eyes of those who were there.
28:17
S2: This film is currently available on streaming services. For details
28:21
S2: on how you can watch the film or arrange a
28:24
S2: screening for your church. Visit Life in messiah.org and click
28:27
S2: on the Moody radio button. That's life in messiah.org.
28:32
S1: All right, without further ado, let's get to our first
28:34
S1: question of the day from Dave. He emailed to ask,
28:38
S1: could you please speak to whether there is a place
28:40
S1: for a reconciliation ministry in the local church? How would
28:44
S1: you biblically support a proposition for one, if you think
28:47
S1: it's appropriate?
28:49
S4: I do think it's appropriate. I think many of us
28:52
S4: need help. Some of our relationships aren't going the way
28:55
S4: we like, and we need others to come along and
28:57
S4: help us with that. And a good place for us
29:00
S4: to go now would be to Philippians four, verse two.
29:03
S4: Paul says, I entreat Euodia and I entreat Syntyche to
29:08
S4: agree in the Lord. Yes, I also ask you, true companion,
29:13
S4: help these women who have labored side by side with
29:16
S4: me in the gospel. So apparently there's some sort of
29:19
S4: conflict between the two of them. Paul doesn't tell us
29:21
S4: what it is. We don't need to know. But notice
29:25
S4: how he names them both and then doesn't demean them,
29:28
S4: doesn't accuse them. He praises them. They are laborers in
29:33
S4: the gospel. They've worked with him and yet they need someone.
29:36
S4: And then he calls on the third person. We don't
29:39
S4: know who he is. True companion yokefellow in the KJV,
29:43
S4: but somebody else is in the congregation to help them.
29:47
S4: That is reconciliation ministry. So I think it'd be a
29:51
S4: good idea if every congregation, if they've got the resources
29:54
S4: or maybe talk to a sister congregation for the resources,
29:57
S4: is to have two or 3 or 4 wise people that,
30:01
S4: you know, whether they're housewives or lawyers or doctors or whatever,
30:04
S4: but you just know they're filled with the spirit and wisdom,
30:07
S4: and they can be called on whenever they're needed for
30:10
S4: doing reconciliation.
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S1: I remember when I was younger, attending a church where
30:14
S1: they were going through some significant issues, and they called
30:17
S1: in a third party reconciliation ministry. And it was just that.
30:21
S1: It was hard work. They were honest, they were thoroughly
30:24
S1: biblical at every point, and our church got tremendous benefit
30:27
S1: out of it.
30:28
S4: I can see it. I think it's very valuable.
30:30
S1: Yeah. Well, thanks for bringing that issue to our attention, Dave.
30:33
S1: Appreciate that. Uh, here's Susanna's question. I seem to remember
30:37
S1: from a previous broadcast that you said there's no James
30:40
S1: in the New Testament. Did you mean that James shouldn't
30:43
S1: be in the New Testament? Could you please clarify?
30:45
S4: I'm glad that Susanna is following this up. Even though
30:49
S4: some parts of James are hard and difficult. I think
30:52
S4: James belongs in the New Testament. It's very valuable. Love
30:55
S4: to have it. So when I talked about this on
30:59
S4: a previous broadcast, here was the issue. When we encounter
31:03
S4: in our English translation the name Jacob. And that's the
31:08
S4: brother of Esau, right? Well, obviously that's his name. It's Jacob.
31:13
S4: When we encounter in our English translation the name James.
31:19
S4: That's the name Jacob. But we're talking about the New
31:22
S4: Testament character Jacob. The New Testament apostle Jacob. So there's
31:26
S4: an inconsistency.
31:28
S1: I see what.
31:28
S4: You're saying in English translation. This has been going on
31:31
S4: since 1611. Sometimes Jacob is properly translated as Jacob, sometimes
31:36
S4: as James. So in the New Testament we have a
31:39
S4: wonderful letter called James, but it's really the Epistle of Jacob.
31:44
S1: Yeah. And if you want to get further confused, just
31:46
S1: travel to Israel, where every city that you read about
31:48
S1: in your Bible has about 14 different names.
31:51
S4: Yes.
31:51
S1: Right. Modern, ancient, uh, different varieties. Yeah. So and, you know,
31:55
S1: we're really no different. You know, we've got a son
31:58
S1: named James, let's say, what do we call him? Jim
32:00
S1: or Jimmy or it's not James.
32:02
S4: Yeah. And we've got several wonderful students on Moody's campus
32:06
S4: whose names are Jacob. And they often get called, of course, Jake.
32:10
S1: Yeah. I mean, so you can understand how these names
32:12
S1: do get a little bit muddied, but it's all there.
32:15
S1: It's all reliable. It's all in Scripture. You can email
32:18
S1: your question to us at the land and the book@moody.edu.
32:23
S1: The land and the book@moody.edu. Doctor Gerald Peterman is in
32:28
S1: the studio. He's on the Moody faculty. I'm John Gager,
32:31
S1: and this is Robin's question. In reading the book of acts,
32:35
S1: I came to Peter's escape from prison with the angel's help.
32:39
S1: But I wondered about two things. Was Rhoda a slave?
32:42
S1: And when Peter knocks at the door, why did they
32:44
S1: say it's his angel?
32:46
S4: Oh, wonderful. Wonderful questions. So we're in acts 12, and
32:52
S4: Peter's imprisoned, and the church is gathered in Mary's house,
32:56
S4: and they're praying for him. And Peter gets let loose
33:00
S4: by an angel that comes, and he doesn't even realize
33:03
S4: the angel is letting him loose until he comes out
33:05
S4: through the gate into the city. And then Peter goes
33:07
S4: straight to this house, and he knocks on the door.
33:10
S4: And Rhoda, the servant girl, yes, she is a slave.
33:15
S4: PDC is her label. This word occurs 12 times in
33:18
S4: the New Testament. It's always about a female slave, so
33:23
S4: it's a really neat word. So she goes to the
33:25
S4: door and she hears his voice. And she's so excited
33:29
S4: because she recognizes Peter's voice. She doesn't even open the door.
33:32
S4: She goes back in and says, It's Peter, it's Peter. Well,
33:34
S4: here's part of the problem. This church has been praying
33:38
S4: for Peter, but when she hears his voice, they don't
33:42
S4: believe her. So they say it's his angel. Now, what
33:46
S4: could that possibly mean? It could possibly mean they think
33:50
S4: he's died. And this is his spirit.
33:54
S1: Which is not illogical based on Herod's conduct, having executed others.
33:58
S4: Yes, absolutely. It's not illogical at all. And it just
34:01
S4: it makes total sense. When the disciples encounter Jesus after
34:06
S4: his resurrection, he says, peace to you. And they think
34:11
S4: they're seeing a spirit. So they recognize Jesus voice, but
34:14
S4: they think they're seeing a spirit? Let's get back to
34:18
S4: the question. What about a slave in the first century church? HMM.
34:23
S4: We have a good letter on this, and it's called
34:25
S4: the letter of Philemon. I'm going to summarize it quite quickly.
34:28
S4: So Philemon, the slave owner, has a slave named Onesimus.
34:32
S4: What does Paul encourage him to do? Set the slave free. Actually,
34:36
S4: Paul doesn't say that. Treat him as a brother in Christ. Oh,
34:41
S4: better than that. When you see Onesimus, treat him as
34:45
S4: if he is the Apostle Paul. Wow. Wow. So I
34:49
S4: think Rhoda is being treated like a sister in Christ
34:52
S4: and honored in her context.
34:54
S1: Thanks for that question, Robin and Jerry, thanks for your answer.
34:57
S1: Let's go on to Paul, who takes us to revelation
35:00
S1: chapter 22, verse seven. Look, I am coming quickly. What
35:05
S1: does quickly mean here?
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S4: Oh, thank you so much, Paul. Many Christians have asked
35:10
S4: this question over the years. There's plenty of evidence in
35:13
S4: Scripture that Jesus is returning imminently. That is, it can
35:18
S4: be at any time. So part of what soon or
35:21
S4: quickly can mean here is it's imminent. That is, what
35:24
S4: is the next issue. What's the next thing that our
35:27
S4: Lord's going to do? Our next thing is he's going
35:30
S4: to come back so soon can mean it's the next
35:33
S4: thing kind of on the agenda, but soon can also
35:36
S4: mean something like unexpected. So no matter how many times
35:40
S4: Jesus has talked about his coming, he keeps predicting it
35:44
S4: as unexpected. That is, be alert, always watchful, because the
35:50
S4: Son of Man will come at a time you do
35:53
S4: not expect. Matthew 2244. So why do the writers of
35:57
S4: Scripture come back to this over and over? He's coming quickly.
36:00
S4: He's coming soon so that we will be ready at
36:04
S4: any moment because we don't know when. It could be now.
36:08
S1: It's so hard to maintain that intensity of life, though,
36:12
S1: of preparation, don't you think it is?
36:14
S4: It's a difficult focus to maintain. It can be exhausting.
36:17
S4: So we got to constantly pray to be able to
36:20
S4: have the proper focus.
36:21
S1: I mean, Jesus himself talks about this, you know, with
36:24
S1: the parable of the virgins and their oil. Some were ready,
36:26
S1: some weren't.
36:26
S4: Right, right. And that's unexpected. Also on, on their part,
36:31
S4: they don't know when the bridegroom is coming. It's difficult.
36:34
S1: Always a fascinating segment here on the land in the book.
36:37
S1: Questions and answers. And you're welcome to be a part
36:40
S1: of it. As you email us at the land and
36:42
S1: the book@moody.edu, the land and the book@moody.edu. We've got one
36:49
S1: more segment on the program. Doctor Charlie Dyer is back
36:52
S1: with his devotional. You don't want to miss It. It's
36:54
S1: next here on the land and the book. Welcome back
37:10
S1: to the land and the book. I'm John Gager grateful
37:13
S1: for your company. You're going to be glad you stuck
37:14
S1: with us, because we're going to talk about how not
37:17
S1: to pray. Well, sort of. That's not quite the title
37:19
S1: of today's devotional, but Charlie, is that the gist of it?
37:22
S2: It really is. John.
37:23
S1: Yeah. And I suppose like anything, there's a right way
37:26
S1: and a wrong way to pray. And maybe some of
37:28
S1: us are doing more of the wrong stuff than we thought.
37:30
S1: We'll find out. First, though, let's take in this Holy
37:33
S1: Land experience a testimony from somebody who's been to the
37:36
S1: Holy Land and is really impressed with the thought that
37:38
S1: they want to share with you and me. Listen.
37:44
S6: One thing I'm going to take back from me from
37:46
S6: this trip to Israel is just perspective. I think that's
37:48
S6: what a lot of people will say. But just being
37:51
S6: where Jesus walked and seeing the wilderness where he was
37:54
S6: tempted is just mind blowing. You know, he was tempted
37:57
S6: in every way and yet without sin. And just seeing
38:00
S6: the wilderness he was actually in just puts that in
38:02
S6: a whole new perspective. And that's from from Dan to Beersheba.
38:06
S7: A highlight for me has been being able to look
38:08
S7: out at the Sea of Galilee and see the three
38:10
S7: points that Charlie pointed out that make a triangle of
38:13
S7: where Jesus did most of his miracles. Seeing that will
38:18
S7: allow me to have more of an image when reading
38:20
S7: the Bible and knowing where that all took place.
38:23
S8: The highlight of the trip for me has been on
38:26
S8: the Mount Bental, where the Army installation is, and we
38:31
S8: learned how Israel prevailed with some 60 or 70 tanks
38:35
S8: over 1500 Syrian tanks, and God's involvement in that. And
38:40
S8: it just brought to life for me the the presence
38:43
S8: and the power and the providence and the protection of
38:47
S8: our God for his people.
38:50
S1: Charlie, I'm ready to listen and learn.
38:53
S2: Thanks, John. Well, our bus is just pulling into the
38:55
S2: parking area at the Mount of Beatitudes. When we stop,
38:59
S2: I want you all to get off the bus and
39:00
S2: then follow me. Don't use the restrooms or pause to
39:03
S2: take pictures. At least not yet. Trust me, you'll have
39:07
S2: time to do both afterward. I need to run ahead
39:09
S2: and talk with the nun inside the chapel to get
39:12
S2: the key. That opens the gate to the spot where
39:14
S2: we'll be meeting. So when you're all off the bus,
39:17
S2: just head toward the chapel and I'll meet you there. Okay,
39:21
S2: we're all here, so follow me down these steps, through
39:24
S2: the gate and down the walkway on the other side.
39:27
S2: When we get to the small theater at the end
39:29
S2: of that path, find a spot and make yourself comfortable.
39:32
S2: I want to start a new series, and I think
39:34
S2: this is the perfect place to begin. Now, for the
39:37
S2: next few weeks, I want to look at some of
39:39
S2: the prayers of the Bible. And today we're going to
39:41
S2: start by focusing on the model prayer Jesus gave during
39:45
S2: the sermon on the Mount. We usually call it the
39:47
S2: Lord's Prayer, but it's probably more appropriate to call it
39:50
S2: the Disciple's Prayer, since Jesus was explaining to them how
39:54
S2: they ought to pray. But I'm getting ahead of myself.
39:57
S2: We're at the traditional Mount of Beatitudes, and it's really
40:00
S2: a beautiful place. We don't know for sure if this
40:03
S2: is the exact spot where Jesus delivered the sermon on
40:06
S2: the Mount, but it had to be somewhere in this
40:08
S2: general area. The book of Matthew says it took place
40:11
S2: on a mountainside in Galilee. And the next place Jesus
40:15
S2: went afterward was the town of Capernaum. If you look
40:18
S2: down the hillside, you can actually see the remains of
40:21
S2: ancient Capernaum down on the Sea of Galilee. It's only
40:24
S2: a mile away from this hillside where you're now sitting.
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S2: It's not hard to imagine Jesus, seated somewhere in this
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S2: area with his disciples and other followers, gathered around listening
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S2: to his words. And it soon became obvious to those
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S2: in the crowd that Jesus was describing a standard for
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S2: following God that exceeded anything practiced by the religious leaders
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S2: of his day. You have heard that it was said,
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S2: he announced, and then he would summarize the standard teaching
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S2: of the Pharisees. But I say unto you, he replied,
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S2: explaining in full measure what a holy God really expected
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S2: of his followers. Eventually, Jesus came to the subject of prayer.
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S2: And he began by focusing on two approaches to prayer
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S2: that missed the mark when it comes to talking with God.
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S2: The first approach was that of the Jewish religious leaders
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S2: of his day, who used prayer as a way of
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S2: boasting about their own spirituality. And when you pray, you
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S2: are not to be as the hypocrites, for they love
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S2: to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the
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S2: street corners in order to be seen by men. Truly
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S2: I say to you, they have their reward in full.
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S2: Prayer isn't something that we do to try and impress others. Prayer.
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S2: True prayer is a deep, intimate, personal conversation with God.
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S2: When you pray, go into your inner room and when
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S2: you have shut the door, pray to your father who
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S2: is in secret, and your father who sees in secret
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S2: will repay you. Jesus's first lesson on prayer focuses on
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S2: our motive for praying. Are we doing it to impress
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S2: others or to talk with God? The second approach to
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S2: prayer that misses the mark was the kind of praying
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S2: often done by religious Gentiles in Jesus's day. Jesus tells
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S2: those gathered. When you are praying, do not use meaningless
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S2: repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they
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S2: will be heard for their many words. The expression meaningless
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S2: repetition comes from a Greek word that literally means babbling
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S2: or speaking without thinking. Jesus's second lesson on prayer focuses
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S2: on the method behind our praying. He was warning his
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S2: followers against mindlessly saying the same prayer over and over
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S2: again without really even thinking about what's being said. Sadly,
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S2: I've seen times when the so-called Lord's Prayer, the very
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S2: next word spoken by Jesus, are used this very way
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S2: as something memorized and mindlessly repeated without any real understanding
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S2: of what the words actually mean or what Jesus was
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S2: trying to teach. Prayer isn't shooting spiritual spitballs at heaven,
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S2: hoping somehow to grab God's attention by using some magic formula. Instead,
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S2: Jesus told his audience that prayer is talking with an
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S2: understanding heavenly Father. Your father knows what you need before
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S2: you ask. You don't need to impress others, and you
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S2: don't need to try to impress God either. Jesus calls
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S2: God our Father four times in the 13 verses he
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S2: devotes to prayer. And by doing so, he was reminding
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S2: them and us that prayer is a family discussion with
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S2: a Heavenly Dad who cares very deeply for his children.
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S2: It is a conversation, not a contest. So if prayer
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S2: isn't about looking good in front of others, or mindlessly
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S2: repeating some formula to get God's attention, then what exactly
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S2: are we supposed to be doing when we pray? Jesus
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S2: supplies the answer in verses 9 to 13, where he
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S2: gives us a model we can use to guide us
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S2: in our praying. And that's going to be our focus
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S2: next week. When we look at the prayer we've come
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S2: to call the Lord's Prayer, but that Jesus really intended
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S2: as a model prayer for his disciples. So we'll circle
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S2: back here next week. But what can we take away
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S2: from our time on the Mount of Beatitudes today? I
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S2: think the answer is both encouraging and convicting. The first
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S2: thing Jesus wants us to remember is to check our
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S2: motive when we pray. Are we praying to impress others
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S2: or to have an intimate conversation with our Heavenly Father?
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S2: None of us can judge another's motives, but God can
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S2: see into each of our hearts, and he sees not
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S2: only what we do, but why we do it. Jesus's
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S2: remedy for those who might be tempted to show off
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S2: in prayer was very simple. Stop praying in public and
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S2: focus more on praying in secret by yourself. So the
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S2: discussion really is between you and your heavenly Father. But
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S2: the second thing Jesus wants us to remember is to
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S2: check our method of praying. Have we become mechanical and
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S2: wrote in our prayers. Do we disengage our mind and
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S2: simply recite something we memorized long ago? Such babbling assumes
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S2: that all God is looking for are the words coming
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S2: out of our mouths, even if we're not mentally engaged
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S2: in the process. Prayer is a conversation with God, and
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S2: He wants us to be actively engaged in that conversation.
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S2: Next week, we'll move from the negative to the positive.
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S2: If this is how we're not to pray in the
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S2: next verses, we'll explore what Jesus says our prayers ought
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S2: to look like.
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S1: Charlie, quick clarification if you would. When we talk about babbling,
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S1: we're not trying to discourage people from daily coming to
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S1: our Heavenly Father on behalf of lost family members, that
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S1: kind of thing. Are we?
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S2: Oh, not at all. No. In fact, I use the
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S2: Lord's Prayer as an example. What he's really saying is
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S2: don't go. Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be
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S2: thy name. And running through the Lord's Prayer, but not
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S2: even thinking what we're saying, you know, to go to
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S2: God again and again with the same request is perfectly
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S2: fine because we're thinking about it. We're focused on it.
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S2: And that's what God really wants.
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S1: Yeah. Well, we're looking forward to the second half of this.
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S1: We learned today how not to pray. Next week, how
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S1: to pray. And I'm also impressed, Charlie, with the brevity
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S1: of that prayer from the Lord.
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S2: You're exactly right. It packs an awful lot in it.
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S2: There's a tremendous number of topics there, but he compresses
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S2: it all into a very short formula that we can
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S2: remember and focus on in our prayer life.
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S1: And again, we'll do more next week. Hope you'll look
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S1: forward to that. Hope you'll be around then. Meanwhile, do
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S1: visit our website if you would, The land and thebook.org.
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S1: And if you've got a Bible question, get that to
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S1: us as well. You can email us at the land
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S1: and the book@moody.edu. Our thanks as always to the ever
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S1: energetic Charlie Dyer, to our producer, Dan Anderson. I'm John
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