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Teen Realizes He Accidentally Recorded A Mass Stabbing · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: So you left with just you and your husband John
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  Speaker 1: that came next Nick, Yes, okay, did you see.
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  Speaker 2: Him the whole time? He was obvious too. Yes, I did, and.
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  Speaker 3: I could see him. He was over there, and then
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  Speaker 3: he came back over and then I just start screaming, is.
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  Speaker 2: Nick knowing to carry? Does he ever carry a weapon
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  Speaker 2: with him?
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  Speaker 3: He had a knife in his pocket.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we got some stuff to work out, okay, because
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  Speaker 1: it was more than just an injury.
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  Speaker 2: It was a pretty serious event that happened.
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  Speaker 4: Please help us.
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  Speaker 5: This guy's a in a file and he won't leave
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  Speaker 5: us alone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he still started everyone?
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  Speaker 6: How many.
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  Speaker 5: I was total?
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  Speaker 7: At least three?
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  Speaker 8: Just say people.
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  Speaker 9: A man's inceptions of Paul and sad.
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  Speaker 10: On July thirtieth, twenty twenty two, a group of teens
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  Speaker 10: swimming in the Apple River noticed a fifty two year
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  Speaker 10: old man allegedly making inappropriate comments towards one of the
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  Speaker 10: females in the group. No a physical altercation between the
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  Speaker 10: man and the teens ensued. However, things would quickly turn
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  Speaker 10: for the worst because, after being pushed over by the teenagers,
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  Speaker 10: the man pulls out a knife, and shortly after getting
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  Speaker 10: to his feet, the man goes to attack Nikolai Meeu.
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  Speaker 10: The man with the knife would go on to take
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  Speaker 10: the life of seventeen year old Isaac Schumann and injure
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  Speaker 10: four others in the process. One of the victims, aj Martin,
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  Speaker 10: was cut so bad he had intestines protruding from his body.
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  Speaker 10: Panic erupted, blood stained the river, and witnesses flooded County
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  Speaker 10: police with nine one one calls.
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  Speaker 7: Hello that one, Hello, where are you?
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  Speaker 11: Oh my god, that's not happening.
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  Speaker 4: It is not O.
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  Speaker 12: My god, don't yep.
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  Speaker 4: We got help coming, are you there were good?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, we're here to.
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  Speaker 10: Call nine one one for the address of your emergency.
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  Speaker 14: I'm a Apple.
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  Speaker 9: We're on the river and died just that three people
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  Speaker 9: imagine testings are falling out of his body.
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  Speaker 15: Okay, stop, stop, stop right now, what's going on?
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  Speaker 14: I'm on Apple.
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  Speaker 15: River in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 10: Police rushed to the scene, but the damage had already
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  Speaker 10: been done and the attacker, Nicolai, had fled the scene.
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  Speaker 10: The race was now on to apprehend Nicolai and determine
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  Speaker 10: what constant to commit such a horrifying act. This footage
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  Speaker 10: has never been seen. If youwer, discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: I'll peak it this way.
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  Speaker 6: If you could get this wizard yep, they're doing CPI
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  Speaker 6: right now.
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  Speaker 16: If we could launch a boat here and get up there,
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  Speaker 16: that'd be awesome.
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  Speaker 7: The woods at the initial location a quarter mile verge.
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  Speaker 4: Did he go up on the north or south bank?
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  Speaker 2: He went up right here?
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  Speaker 14: They don't know.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, that's they said, this region.
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  Speaker 4: They don't know exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, are you three all witnesses friends of one of
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  Speaker 7: the victims there, all of them?
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  Speaker 17: Okay, I just have a video at the dude.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, you haven't see in person.
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  Speaker 14: Happened though.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, we were floating, we caught up to those that
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  Speaker 5: group of kids, and the guy was wrassing them. I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to stop the before.
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  Speaker 2: I was worried they were.
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  Speaker 14: Going to hurt that guy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I was worried they were going to gang up
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  Speaker 4: on him.
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  Speaker 5: She went over there to try in a few that
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  Speaker 5: he punched her, and then yeah, he just started sticking everyone,
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  Speaker 5: and then the other group tried to stop him.
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  Speaker 2: It and and what do you look like he was?
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  Speaker 14: He was wearing a chain.
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  Speaker 2: He like he was kind of bald.
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  Speaker 18: Rock.
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  Speaker 5: That's what do you look like? Scuba goggles?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, clear goggles on.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, Now that the officers have a clear description of
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  Speaker 10: this man, all hands go on deck to find him immediately.
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  Speaker 10: As such, officers send up multiple thermal drones and shut
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  Speaker 10: down the area until his capture. The hunt is on
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  Speaker 10: to find this ramped killer.
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  Speaker 2: I'll turn her off to stop saying up here.
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  Speaker 17: Hey, yeah, uh st roaming roaming perimeter on this road.
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  Speaker 17: Thirty year old thirty year old white male, black shorts.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a picture? Not yet, I'm waiting on
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  Speaker 2: the picture. White male about thirty years old. I went
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  Speaker 2: down to the campground down here at the river. I know,
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  Speaker 2: to fight all of them to get off the river.
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  Speaker 5: We uh, I don't think we have a name.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we do yet either.
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  Speaker 10: Just started roaming this However, it wouldn't take long to
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  Speaker 10: find Nikolai, as a witness noticed him and threatened him
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  Speaker 10: with a baseball bat to wait for officers.
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  Speaker 11: Witness the male appears.
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  Speaker 4: We were in a camel colored shirt.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, okay, yes, Nick, Nick?
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  Speaker 4: What Nick?
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  Speaker 3: Mut Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's it. He's got a silver silver blockchain.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, there, you just he came to the point.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, we'll play anything in the second.
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  Speaker 7: Yea, there is the guy at the baseball bat was
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  Speaker 7: just responding to the to the sighting.
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  Speaker 12: Can.
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  Speaker 2: He said about for a second, we just want to
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  Speaker 2: check you out. Are you injured at all?
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  Speaker 19: No other than my butt, They are injured in the screen.
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  Speaker 2: Butts injured well from sliding all over the stones, all
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  Speaker 2: the rocks, Yeah, and my hands.
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  Speaker 10: Now that police have Nikolaie apprehended, they can bring him
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  Speaker 10: to the station and begin investigating what happened. However, as
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  Speaker 10: Nikolai is about to leave the lake, he says something
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  Speaker 10: that would change this investigation completely.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody I hear somebody got stebbed, and I get the description.
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  Speaker 2: Yes you do, all right, yep, so we're working through that.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see that fight on the river?
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  Speaker 4: I heard about it.
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  Speaker 7: You heard about it, yeah, And I've seen people gather around, okay,
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  Speaker 7: all right, and I went over to talk.
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  Speaker 4: To you see if somebody saw anything. But that's about it, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Our whole group was pretty interested in finding out what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and that's your whole group over there. Yeah, yeah, no, Ted,
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  Speaker 2: did you see anybody injured?
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  Speaker 20: No?
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  Speaker 2: Did I see anybody injured?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see somebody fighting?
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  Speaker 7: I heard people screaming, and Chaddie, it's ol fit screaming
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  Speaker 7: and anger or screaming in pained you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 16: I can't tell the difference, but I would say, I
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  Speaker 16: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Just screaming, Okay, yeah, calling to each other names.
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  Speaker 21: You know.
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  Speaker 16: That's seeing that all day and we've all been drinking
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  Speaker 16: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're not I'm sure they're.
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  Speaker 4: Kids saying kids.
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  Speaker 10: Not only does Nikolai completely deny that he was responsible
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  Speaker 10: for the stabbings, but he pretends that no one even
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  Speaker 10: got hurt. The video recordings from the stabbing clearly show
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  Speaker 10: the attacker's face, as well as the chain Nikolai is
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  Speaker 10: wearing right now, regardless of what happened during the altercation,
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  Speaker 10: the facts that he feels the need to pretend to
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  Speaker 10: be completely innocent will downplay any of his future statements. Regardless.
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  Speaker 10: Nikolai will be transported to the Saint Croix Sheriff's office,
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  Speaker 10: where he will undergo an intense interrogation. But for now,
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  Speaker 10: police need to speak with witnesses on scene to try
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  Speaker 10: and better understand the story from the point of view
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  Speaker 10: of those who saw it directly.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell me I guess what you saw to
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  Speaker 2: the best of your Recollee check.
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  Speaker 21: When les got tip out four hundred yards and here
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  Speaker 21: up there there was a great small job kids.
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  Speaker 10: They looked like kids.
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  Speaker 16: Come.
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  Speaker 8: This guy was harassing them. We was they're pointing at him,
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  Speaker 8: telling you to get away to the.
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  Speaker 6: Boys ran away down a bottom er to let the
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  Speaker 6: girls did.
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  Speaker 21: They went over and tried to get him away from them,
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  Speaker 21: and because she looked over and punched madicins in the past,
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  Speaker 21: and then the other boy hit him back.
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  Speaker 10: As soon as it frenched her.
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  Speaker 9: The guy pulled out a knife and he just started
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  Speaker 9: just dabbing people that were around him.
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  Speaker 22: We were just chilling, and then we saw this older
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  Speaker 22: guy start harassing these younger teenagers and we're the type
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  Speaker 22: of people to not let that happen because they're young,
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  Speaker 22: so we try to stop him, and he punched me
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  Speaker 22: in the face and then went literally crazy because all
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  Speaker 22: the guys started ttgging because he punched me in the face.
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  Speaker 22: So he took out a knife and he just started
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  Speaker 22: stabbing everybody, and that's what happened. Everybody was just it's
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  Speaker 22: all because he punched me in the face. That's like
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  Speaker 22: why anybody discussed the.
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  Speaker 1: Sh if if you're thinking by that statement that it's
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  Speaker 1: your fault, and most definitely is not.
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  Speaker 11: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: We were floating down the river, we came we caught
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  Speaker 5: up to a group of kids sitting in their tubes
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  Speaker 5: with an older guy standing over the kids. The kids
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  Speaker 5: were high school. Games was part of that group, the
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  Speaker 5: one that passed away. He was part of that other group,
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  Speaker 5: and they were flagging us down, telling us, please help us.
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  Speaker 5: This guy's he won't leave us alone. And at first
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  Speaker 5: I thought they were joking. He's like, no, really, please
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  Speaker 5: help us, help us. He's being very creepy. But that
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  Speaker 5: group of gyms, I was worried that they were all
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  Speaker 5: going to gang up on him and coping bat what's
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  Speaker 5: gonna happen to the fifty two year old guy? I
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  Speaker 5: was worried something's gonna happen to him. We just wanted
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  Speaker 5: to shoot the guy away. I figured he'd go away
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  Speaker 5: if he saw people intervening. Next next thing, I know,
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  Speaker 5: as everyone's running at me. He stabbed me. He stabbed me,
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  Speaker 5: you know. And I saw the guy get punched and
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  Speaker 5: fall down and was sorry, well, let's okay, thoughts back, Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I saw him flailing wildly, but I didn't really see
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  Speaker 5: the stab and everyone and next thing and I have
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  Speaker 5: I'm dying. I can't begreieve you got it, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I tried to get her in a tube so
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  Speaker 5: we could plow her down and get her off, and
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  Speaker 5: it was just hutter chaos from that point.
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  Speaker 10: Based on what witnesses are seeing, Nikolay was inappropriately approaching
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  Speaker 10: a group of miners in the lake, was noticed by
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  Speaker 10: another group doing these things, and was confronted by the teens,
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  Speaker 10: causing him to stab anyone who tried attacking him. But
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  Speaker 10: this is only coming from the side of the victim's friends.
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  Speaker 10: Nikolai's friends and family, on the other hand, would seem
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  Speaker 10: to have a completely different recollection of what went down.
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  Speaker 2: Whould you come with personally?
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  Speaker 10: Just me and my husband.
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  Speaker 3: Goes here and we met.
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  Speaker 1: All of them over here, Okay, at any point in time, any.
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  Speaker 2: Member of your group ever leave your group. First, my husband.
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  Speaker 3: Ariyall lost his stone, okay, So he was trying to
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  Speaker 3: find it and he had it in one of those
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  Speaker 3: floating things, but he thought maybe water got in it,
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  Speaker 3: so he put on He brought scoopa stuff with like
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  Speaker 3: and he put that on and he was down in
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  Speaker 3: the water looking for it.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see him the whole time he was office tube?
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  Speaker 20: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. What was he doing while he's office too?
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  Speaker 5: He was, you know, looking ye.
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  Speaker 3: And then this group of guys, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: many was on these tubes. So all of them get
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  Speaker 3: off their tubes and they started hitting him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right. And what happened after.
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  Speaker 3: That when I yelled and and then I just hurt screaming,
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  Speaker 3: and Nick and these guys all came back. They were
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  Speaker 3: on the other side, and they were on this side
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  Speaker 3: of the river.
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 3: All I heard is somebody got hurt. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how. I don't I don't know anything about that.
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  Speaker 3: I just heard someone was hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Nick knowing to carry does he ever carry a weapon
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  Speaker 2: with him?
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  Speaker 3: He had a knife in his pocket, not a very
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  Speaker 3: big one, and he said those guys grabbed it from him.
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  Speaker 2: The people he was fighting with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they grabbed it, and he said they swung it
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  Speaker 3: at him, and he grabbed their hand and moved it away. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and that's when they went. I didn't see it, That's.
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  Speaker 13: What he told me.
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  Speaker 3: And then they went to All they kept saying is
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  Speaker 3: they called me up and they started hitting me, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: all I did was try and look for this phone.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, well, yeah, there was a few people hurt. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we got some stuff to work out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you with the group being Nick's wife or wife
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  Speaker 1: and everybody else, you guys aren't gonna be able to
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  Speaker 1: leave for a little bit, Okay, until we get the okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because it was more than just am injury. It was
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  Speaker 2: a pretty serious event that happened.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise you wouldn't see people showing up and tagged to
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  Speaker 1: a green right, okay.
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  Speaker 10: Nikolai's friends and wife claimed he was spontaneously attacked and
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  Speaker 10: that Nick's knife was grabbed by the teens, and that
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  Speaker 10: he was even threatened with the knife. The phone recording
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  Speaker 10: shows Nikolai was ganged up six to one when initially confronted,
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  Speaker 10: turning to thirteen people against one shortly after helping to
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  Speaker 10: authenticate those claims. This complicated things for detectives. The side
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  Speaker 10: against Nick claims he's a pedophile and went on a
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  Speaker 10: rampage after being called out. The side with Nick claims
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  Speaker 10: he was attacked by the teens and didn't see him
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  Speaker 10: doing anything predatorial. It's clear based off the phone recording
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  Speaker 10: that Nick did indeed commit the stabbings. However, his reasoning
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  Speaker 10: is uncertain. If the detectives determined the teens unnecessarily attacked Nick,
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  Speaker 10: then he could plead self defense and most likely win.
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  Speaker 10: But if detectives can determine Nick acted erratically after being
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  Speaker 10: exposed for approaching a group of miners, then self defense
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  Speaker 10: is less plausible and he'd be facing murder charges. In
• 14:47
  Speaker 10: order to solve this mystery, detectives decide to conduct interviews
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  Speaker 10: with every prominent witness that was at the scene the
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  Speaker 10: day of the stabbings. However, as the case would unfold,
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  Speaker 10: detectives would unravel disturbing secrets from both both parties, leading
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  Speaker 10: to one of the most twisted conclusions in the history
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  Speaker 10: of policing. Police began by talking to Ashley, who was
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  Speaker 10: on the scene during the stabbings.
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  Speaker 13: So, yeah, I'm just kind of trying to follow up
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  Speaker 13: on the craziness that happened out there. How are you
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  Speaker 13: doing pretty good? So you were out there with a
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  Speaker 13: group of friends.
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  Speaker 20: For the day, yes, and we were just going down
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  Speaker 20: the river and then we saw this older man harassing
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  Speaker 20: these teenage boys. So Maddie said, hey, get away, get
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  Speaker 20: out of their faces, just move along, and all of
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  Speaker 20: a sudden he punched her in the face. She went
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  Speaker 20: down and I were slowly walking up there and then said, Dad,
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  Speaker 20: I just got dabbed as a knife. He just stabbed me.
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  Speaker 18: And then that's when I turned and.
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  Speaker 20: Looked at guts were all over. He was holding onto them.
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  Speaker 20: And then that's when he was like, go call NM
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  Speaker 20: on one and I was trying to get back. Just
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  Speaker 20: started calling everyone and not killing everyone to get out
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  Speaker 20: of the river and everything like that.
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  Speaker 4: Everything.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, so he was harassing them. And then you said
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  Speaker 13: he was messing with their tubes.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, he was trying to like pull apart their tubes.
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  Speaker 13: And that was the first contact you had with that
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  Speaker 13: other group. Yes, so then you know, you asked that
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  Speaker 13: other group if they need help, and they said that
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  Speaker 13: you know, he was harassing them, messing with their tubes.
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  Speaker 13: And then what happened.
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  Speaker 20: Next, that's when Maddie went up to the group. Maddie
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  Speaker 20: went up to the old guy, said, hey, get out
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  Speaker 20: of here. You know, stat messing with these boys. They're
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  Speaker 20: only teenagers. Like, I don't know what started him off
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  Speaker 20: to wanting to punch her in the face. But that's
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  Speaker 20: when when he punched her in the face, she slipped
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  Speaker 20: fell in the water. That's when everybody surrounded him, saying,
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  Speaker 20: don't hit a woman, just get out of here, and
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  Speaker 20: everything like that. That's when I'm slowly walking towards Maddie
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  Speaker 20: to see if she was okay, okay, and everything like that.
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  Speaker 10: Ashley's story doesn't quite line up with the other witnesses
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  Speaker 10: claims or the speculation that nik Lai was doing anything
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  Speaker 10: that could classify him as a pedophile. She claims he
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  Speaker 10: was harassing a group of male scenes and when Maddie
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  Speaker 10: approached him to stop, she was punched in the face.
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  Speaker 10: This is what caused the group to confront and push Nikolai,
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  Speaker 10: not because of the predatorial theories. Regardless, punching Maddie for
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  Speaker 10: what seems like no reason at all is not only
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  Speaker 10: assault of a minor, but degrading to any defense. Nikolai
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  Speaker 10: could make a trial. Next detective speak to Emma, who
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  Speaker 10: shared the gruesome and horrifying details of watching the stabbings
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  Speaker 10: happen in real time.
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  Speaker 23: If you want, Hey, it was a damn I'll never
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  Speaker 23: ever forget, honestly, And so we had our music playing
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  Speaker 23: and we hear arguing, so you know, we're not paying
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  Speaker 23: attention to it.
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  Speaker 4: Exist we can't come there for that.
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  Speaker 9: And so we turn around and that's who my brother
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  Speaker 9: larry On he was like, sus, sus, you're seeing this,
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: seeing this, And then that's when we all get off
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: of the raft and when we stop it because the
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: current was pulling us. And then that's when I see
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: a guy just step some poor boy in the stomach
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: and go straight down. And then that's when I saw
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: him trying to put his intestines back in his stomach.
• 18:10
  Speaker 18: He was trying to still processing what was happening.
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: Everybody was screaming around the people who were trying to
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: grab the.
• 18:17
  Speaker 18: Knife from the man. It was like a lady and
• 18:19
  Speaker 18: three other maybe.
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: Teens, she was and she floated down the river that
• 18:24
  Speaker 9: so she floated to us and we put her on
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: our raft and were holding her consigns in because she
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: was still just bleeding out and crying. And so then
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: that's when I got my phone off the plaster back
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: and called the police and it's like, dang, how are
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: we going to stop this?
• 18:37
  Speaker 18: But then other people rushed to go help him.
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: The guy who had his intestines out, and another person
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: was trying to grab the knife from the guy, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: still two other people got stepped. After that, well, as
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: we got to the grass area and we were helping
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: the girl, we were keeping her calm. I was on
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: the phone with the.
• 18:52
  Speaker 18: Police at that time, trying to give.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Them the location of where we were on the river.
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: The owner of Apple River and his the.
• 19:01
  Speaker 18: Workers, the people who worked at the river, they.
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: Were coming down and trying to climb down from the
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: area and asking us what was happening, and we told
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: him what we saw and the weapon that we saw.
• 19:12
  Speaker 18: There too, and even fairly quickly or I don't think he.
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: Was running, but you know, with all the commotion, we
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: were more concerned about all the blood in the water
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: and testines floating and other people who were severely bleeding,
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: and so at that point it was really just let's
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: hope the people who were hurt, instead of going to
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: chase after the guy.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: At what point did you see a knife?
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: Was there already chaos and people that we were injured.
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: I saw the knife, well, yeah, I saw the knife
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: with dulsy was put into the male's body.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: He went in and went down, and.
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: Then that's when the intestines fell out, he pulled the
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: knife out. I saw people trying to swing and grab
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: the knife or to stop him, and that's when he
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: just went and stopped.
• 19:51
  Speaker 18: Everybody who came out.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: He was just fucking people. And so the first meal
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: that used saw injured was one with the stomach victory.
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: Yes, yup, he did walk up first, and I he
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: must've saw the knife first, cause he did walk up
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: to the little hospital. But I understand if you did
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: see a knife and you're coming out grey with teenagers,
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: I do understand that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: Did you see the other coup people wanted?
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: I mean, like, did you see the physical action that
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: the older mail did two and the other people?
• 20:18
  Speaker 18: Uh, three of them.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Life, he was three of 'em.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Three of 'em.
• 20:21
  Speaker 18: I did see.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: Those were all the people who tried to stop. Put
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: his hands out, don't do this, and he just got
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: just stab everybody who's in his way.
• 20:30
  Speaker 23: Can you describe when the other people were scamped a
• 20:33
  Speaker 23: little bit more?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: He anymore?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: He failed that on that first it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: I did see the other guy swing, So the one
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: who was not as injured, he did like sort of
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: swing at him.
• 20:44
  Speaker 18: But that is when he missed. You didn't hit him,
• 20:47
  Speaker 18: and the guy.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Did come around, and and.
• 20:50
  Speaker 18: Then same for the girl. She like came up and
• 20:52
  Speaker 18: like tried to push him.
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: But wasn't successful, didn't have enough reach, and he went
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: right for her side right he first in one of
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: these sides on the side right here, and stabbed her
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: in the stomach, and she was trying to walk away,
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: and then she just.
• 21:06
  Speaker 18: Dropped in the wire and.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Too.
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: Based on both Ashley and Emma's story, Nikolai is painted
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: as a cold blooded killer who went on a rampage
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: after being confronted and stabbed anyone he could reach, But
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: it seems Emma might have a bias in her retelling
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: of events. She recounts any attacks on Nikolai in an
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: almost defeated way, as if she's ashamed to admit the
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: story was rather double edged at times. The teens were,
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: without a doubt wrong to some degree. It was unnecessary
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: to gang up on Nikolai so heavily and attack him
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: helplessly while he fell to the ground, But was this
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: enough reason to stab five people in self defense? The
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: detectives will need to find more evidence to accurately figure
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: this out. So with this in mind, detectives take a
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: different approach and interview a Manda, Nikolai's co worker who
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: went to the Apple River alongside the same group as Nikolai.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I'll just start, it's my understanding that you were co
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: workers with Nick.
• 22:04
  Speaker 18: Yes, he works in the other building.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, And how long did you know Nick?
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Well, you started hanging out probably when his wife retired.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, So when you still work here, Sondra or Sandy Sandy, Yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: she was.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: A supervisor in the other building.
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: I'll see three years.
• 22:22
  Speaker 18: Three years is when you kind of started normally hanging out.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: And yeah, as the co workers come over, she didn't
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: invite the co workers over. And everybody's friends with him,
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: and everybody everybody's shocked.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Right, So about and your friendship with him? What what
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: do you know about him?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: He just kind of describing what do you know about him?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: His story, where he came from, his history, where it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like came from Romania.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: He's just an outdoorsman, likes fish and fishing and just
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: being outside and quiet, just.
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: Calm, doesn't like a lot of noise and chaos. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: but yeah, he's just a very calm carrying guy who would.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Help whenever we needed help with something. That would break down,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: he'd come over and to fix it or help or
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: not still fix something and just always helping out, always
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: helping people.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Can Kay just describe the day from there?
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we just got there and we got everybody together
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: and one got our stuff and we started setting.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Up the tubes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: And he just got in and started going.
• 23:37
  Speaker 18: And then Sandy.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: Kind of looked and said, Nix, Nicks in trouble, Mix
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: in trouble.
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: And I was still sitting and like, Nicks and truckle,
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: somebody help him, somebody help.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: And then I got up. I'm looking. I never saw
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Nick down there. I never saw any of our group
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: down there, and I never saw Nick down there, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: I'm just looking. I just see people just going every
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: which way. I didn't see any blood or anything, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: I just I'm like, what's going on? This is a
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: big fight going on. And then I was handed a phone.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: I think Tatiana called the police that she had to
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: me the phone, and I'm like, there's something going on.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: We're at the Apple River floating and there's something happened
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: with a fight. There's I don't know what's going on.
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: And I even repeating myself, and then she hung up.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: After that, Nick came back and I just looked up
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, what happened. He's like, they called me
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: a file, they took my snorkel, they attacked me. They
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: threw me on the ground and were attacking me. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I thought there was some kind of fight
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: going on and maybe he kind of bumped into them.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I did see the.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: Kid on the on the side. I thought maybe he
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: knocked his head or maybe got water in him. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: didn't know anything about a stabbing or anything at that time.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: He just he looked like kind of stunned and shocked,
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: and then I think he sat down. He didn't say
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: another word. He didn't say nothing, and everybody's just like
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: looking around. I see the police. The police are here,
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: so let's just wait and see. Maybe they want to
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: talk to Nick, because he was part of the thing.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: If I knew, if I knew then what I know now,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: we would not have gotten down that river. I would
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: have been like, something happened, You've gotta go. If I
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: saw something, really, if I thought that he did somewhere
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: I saw it, I'd be like, what do you You
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: gotta go? You gotta And I thought he would.
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: Even like stop and say, hey, something happened.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: I have to go.
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: I would think he would have said something like that,
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: and and we're all there, and it's it's terrible for
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: us because now we're getting all this ryep.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: People only got a phone call this morning and there
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: was nobody on the line the time.
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: We're all scared.
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: This is an important interview for detectives. Someone from Nikolai's
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: group shocked and disgusted by his actions that day. Not
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: only has everyone who witnessed the scene that day painted
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: him out to be a monster, but his own coworker
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: has too. Police now have a mountain of evidence against Nikolai,
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: but decide to talk to you one final person, larry On,
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: who reveals what actually happened leading up to the stabbing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: Is there anything else you can think of about you
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: know what you saw? Like you know some things that
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: would be important to us, is like you know, like
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: if you saw who pushed the guy, if you saw
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: anyone else with the knife, if you saw anything like that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: Well, one of the boys we've gotta he was telling
• 26:56
  Speaker 14: us that he came up to them and asked them
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: for like pictures, like explicit pictures, and and I'm like
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: I'm like, what, dune, y'all got the fighting. I guess
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: they got the fight, and he said, yeah, he got
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: the stab in it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: So and he asked him for or this is one
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: of the guy who's got actually got stabbed here.
• 27:17
  Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, he guessed that, he said, that's why. That's
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: what happened. The dude was asking him for explicit pictures
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: of the girls.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: That they was with.
• 27:25
  Speaker 14: So I guess from there he's like, oh, what you doing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 14: They got into altercation. They must have put their hands
• 27:33
  Speaker 14: on him, and then he retaliated. It is by slashing on.
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: This claim backs up why he was being called a
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: file on the phone recording. If this is true, then
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: the story makes a whole lot more sense. Nikolai approached
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: the females asking for explicit photos. The females, being mostly underage, declined,
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: and Maddy confronted Nickolai on the matter, potentially putting her
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: hands on him in the process. That's when he punched
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: Maddie in the face, and all hell broke loose. A
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: man then punched Nikolai, knocking him down, prompting him to
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: stab anyone who tried to approach him again. A common
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: opinion stated in unrecorded interviews, was that Nikolai allegedly thought
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: the teens on the tubes stole his missing phone, which
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: prompted him to attack the teens. This is largely confirmed
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: in the phone recording as well, as we can see
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: Nicolai searching around the area and pushing the group's tubes around.
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: Detectives would go on to interview countless more witnesses, all
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: with the same general story. Nikolai harassed the group of
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: teens and when confronted, went on a cold blooded rampage.
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: But still people lie. Those who were friends with anyone
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: injured at the scene would obviously remain biased towards the
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: site against Nikolai and could keep out any information that
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: didn't get caught on the phone recording. So with that,
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: they sit Nikolai himself down and prepare to confront Nikolai
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: on the piles of evidence they breaked up against him
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: and determine whether or not all of these stories are true.
• 28:55
  Speaker 18: And I understand, Yeah, I did talk to her. I
• 29:01
  Speaker 18: talked her for quite a while. I brought her to
• 29:03
  Speaker 18: get in the dry clothes.
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: Uh where she he is with an atone hay Piggy
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: my bobby uh So you headed home.
• 29:12
  Speaker 18: To take care of the dog. So I would like
• 29:14
  Speaker 18: to ask questions about your day today. What happened?
• 29:17
  Speaker 16: Uh?
• 29:17
  Speaker 18: You know, like how do you how you got to
• 29:19
  Speaker 18: be on the Apple River today? And then like what
• 29:21
  Speaker 18: your day was like?
• 29:22
  Speaker 16: Oh, I can't say it was a mean Uh it
• 29:25
  Speaker 16: was Shout Defense. Stout Defense. Are a lot of people
• 29:28
  Speaker 16: on on that came on to me Stout Defense. When
• 29:31
  Speaker 16: they produced two weapons, wanted it took from them.
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: This would be the start of Nikolai's string of lies.
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: During this interview, Nikolay did bring the knife he used
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: to stab the victims. He brought it specifically so he
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: could cut rope while on the river. After the stabbings,
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: Nikolay threw the knife into the river, which was later retrieved.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can't do.
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: And they were they hit me, and they were on
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: top of me, and that I don't remember anything up today.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I just remember I ran away. I ran away to
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: my to my UH group.
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: There were actually people coming over from my group to
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: see what was going on. I said nothing, nothing, nothing
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: to just get back and and and they kept fashion
• 30:09
  Speaker 16: and I said nothing nothing. I didn't explain to them
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: anything because I was I was. I was so fearful.
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: I didn't know what these people were be doing to us.
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: I've never been in a situation like this or people
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: produce weapons on And they were saying, they were uh calling,
• 30:27
  Speaker 16: don't I I don't remember, but they said, don't run over,
• 30:31
  Speaker 16: don't don't run from us, don't do this. Uh, you're
• 30:33
  Speaker 16: a till you were this h yes it even drunk
• 30:39
  Speaker 16: or you're it said.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: The only thing I remember in my mind is if
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I'm a, should you be drinking?
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: Should you be drinking alcohol and and doing what you're
• 30:49
  Speaker 16: doing to people that you don't even know, attacking them.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And I said, if if I'm a, you should be
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: having alcohol, you know?
• 31:00
  Speaker 16: And and they took my Uh, I was snorkeling, so
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: they took my snorkel away, They threw it in the water.
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: They grabbed my pants. One wanted to put my pants down,
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: and I grabbed onto him. And I don't know who
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: that kid was, but he produced.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 16: I I on him and then there was another knife
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: for a longer and I, uh looked like a kitchen knife.
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: This is true. There was in fact an additional knife
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: at the scene. It's unclear if that knife was pulled
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: out at any point during the altercation, but at no
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: point was the knife used to stab anyone.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: And I don't know why I happen to eat one
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: of 'em.
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: I just know that I I when when when the
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: kid attacked me, I took.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: That from him, the kitchen knife for the other No,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: the uh smaller than that?
• 31:40
  Speaker 18: Okay, what did that knife look like? Do you remember
• 31:43
  Speaker 18: what a smaller?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Smaller? Yeah? So that's all.
• 31:49
  Speaker 18: Why did you get the d by them? Who are people?
• 31:51
  Speaker 21: So?
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Uh? I ever lost his phone?
• 31:53
  Speaker 20: Okay?
• 31:54
  Speaker 18: Phone was in the floor, one of those things.
• 31:56
  Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone had one. But his phone was
• 31:59
  Speaker 16: in the floor. So he said, well, let's go look
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: for it. So I put put my snorkel on and
• 32:04
  Speaker 16: I okay, and this guy's thought something and they were
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: talking about it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: And then I said okay. I went over and I said,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: did you guys find the pome? And if you did,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: can I see it? Can I identify it? And they
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: started calling me names. They got off of there tubes,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: they came at me.
• 32:20
  Speaker 16: I said, wet I meet and they were calling me
• 32:23
  Speaker 16: all kinds of names. He's talking me for being in
• 32:27
  Speaker 16: the water with a snortug and I said, all I
• 32:30
  Speaker 16: want guys, did you find the phone?
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: And I thought they had they had palm counting.
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: It seems rather ridiculous that Nick would be called such
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: specific things if he confronted them as kindly as he
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: says he did. It's very clear he's leaving something out
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: of his story. Keep in mind, at this point, Nick
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: has no idea the entire altercation was recorded, so he
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: likely thinks these stories, being completely innocent, seemed plausible.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: And we're looking this or did you find this phone?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: And I know somebody found.
• 32:58
  Speaker 16: It, but I thought it was guy group. They they
• 33:01
  Speaker 16: came to me and they they grabbed my snow boat
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: and they threw it in the water. Well, the water
• 33:05
  Speaker 16: was so fast they went under, so I went out
• 33:08
  Speaker 16: after and they started.
• 33:09
  Speaker 23: Uh.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Another group of mostly girls came over from from the.
• 33:13
  Speaker 16: Other side, yelling at me or calling me there and
• 33:17
  Speaker 16: something like that, and I I I went back. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 16: went I actually after addition, in event, I didn't even
• 33:23
  Speaker 16: I didn't don't.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Even even know what happened.
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: Again, another flat out line. The phone recording clearly shows
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: Nick was the initial aggressor when he started pushing the
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: teens off their tubes.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that they they attacked me and I
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: had I wasn't sell.
• 33:37
  Speaker 16: I went into cell defense more and then I went
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: over to my my group of people.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: That was the thing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 16: They asked me what happened, and I wouldn't tell them.
• 33:44
  Speaker 16: I said, I can't tell you, and then he calmed down.
• 33:49
  Speaker 16: I was I was shocked. From nobody on that knew
• 33:52
  Speaker 16: exactly what happened.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: The only thing they.
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: Say said, well, you know if somebody got in a nightmare,
• 33:58
  Speaker 16: when they're like yeah, they's just they just be that alone.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Don't go there. And I said, did you guys find something?
• 34:07
  Speaker 16: And I thought they did it, and I know they
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: did because they're hiding something from me. And then I
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: went over there and to grabbed my smoke because they
• 34:15
  Speaker 16: threw it down and they started there.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: They got off there there too.
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: They came off to me, they pushed me, one of
• 34:21
  Speaker 16: them hit me, and then there was a girl that
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: came from here and hit me in the back of
• 34:25
  Speaker 16: my head and I was about right there.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Right here when she hit me.
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: Yeah, and that's when the female hit you.
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I cared for my life, was the truth.
• 34:37
  Speaker 16: When they started hitting me and burther and pointed a
• 34:41
  Speaker 16: knight at me, and then another kid pointed, and I
• 34:43
  Speaker 16: thought that was it for me. Bluckily, I took it
• 34:46
  Speaker 16: from from the one of the young kids, and I
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: think that's.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: When I slung back.
• 34:51
  Speaker 18: What did you do with it?
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I don't even know. I don't know, absolutely, I don't know.
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: Nikolain's defense becomes extremely hard to believe when he constantly
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: is about the incident again. The knife used was his.
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: He did not take it from anyone. He pulled it
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: from his own pocket and used it to stab five people.
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: He threw it into the lake in the hopes he
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: could cover the incident up completely. Proof of this is
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: in his talks with police while being arrested, where he
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: pretended he wasn't even near the scene of the crime.
• 35:18
  Speaker 16: I don't know if you got it back, absolutely didn't,
• 35:20
  Speaker 16: no idea.
• 35:21
  Speaker 18: Did you hit him like it? Did a knife make
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: contact with him?
• 35:24
  Speaker 16: That? I remember you were so gross And one had
• 35:27
  Speaker 16: it in his hand, So I took his hand, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 16: I begged, and I poked him with his own hand,
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: and then I took it from his hand, and then
• 35:35
  Speaker 16: I went in twenty it like this.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what hit I.
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: Just I just know that I took the knife from
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: from one of the kids the other one.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened. Dude, I didn't get it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 18: Did you have a knife?
• 35:49
  Speaker 22: No?
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: No, absolutely, but you had a lippy pig?
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 35:54
  Speaker 18: What a knife?
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Because I did it in my car?
• 35:57
  Speaker 18: Okay?
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you driver?
• 36:00
  Speaker 22: Baby?
• 36:00
  Speaker 20: Right?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I did?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Good.
• 36:04
  Speaker 16: I I don't even know, uh where it's at that
• 36:06
  Speaker 16: of the truth. Uh, it may be in one of
• 36:08
  Speaker 16: the bags we had with us and they have been
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: in in I I don't know if maybe I left
• 36:14
  Speaker 16: it put it back in the park cause I went
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: back with a bunch of I had re uh uh stretch.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't wanna pay for string, but they say strange.
• 36:22
  Speaker 18: You see, and well I do you they if I
• 36:24
  Speaker 18: don't want you have strap?
• 36:25
  Speaker 16: Well they told me yeah, ye they said theyre gs straps.
• 36:27
  Speaker 16: There was a kid, but they gf straps. No problem,
• 36:29
  Speaker 16: but the the the string is free. So I said, okay,
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: I'll take the sting okay, And then I took the
• 36:33
  Speaker 16: straps back so the straps can punt you the Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 16: So I took I had a whole bag of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 16: stretch that it took back.
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: To my carse okay, and so maybe the knife was
• 36:43
  Speaker 18: the the strap?
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Uh probably did.
• 36:50
  Speaker 18: Do you have any clucks or marks from you? Have
• 36:53
  Speaker 18: you had a chance to like look at your porshole
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: or uh?
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Uh? Somebody was telling me that I'm leading from my
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: year for my left year.
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: Who told you that?
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Oh? I think there was Amy, You're bleeding from your
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: left ear. I'm on a fifth, I'm one in the water.
• 37:08
  Speaker 16: I clean, I don't see any but I really I
• 37:12
  Speaker 16: don't know if you've seen any cuts, but I don't.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether where I was bleeding from my ear.
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: This is a smart tactic used by the detective. By
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: getting Nick to confirm he had no injuries, the prosecution
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: can use this as evidence to rule out self defense.
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: Nick claims Amy told him his ear was bleeding, but
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: says himself that he didn't notice any blood. In addition,
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: it takes him seconds to recall who told him his
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: ear was bleeding, meaning he could have just made the
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: scenario up altogether.
• 37:43
  Speaker 16: But I think he says, you're bleeding from your ear name,
• 37:51
  Speaker 16: And then I cleaned, and I said, look, there is nothing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 16: Guy know I do his blood were to do is me.
• 38:00
  Speaker 16: She saw I have an idea. We were like, she
• 38:04
  Speaker 16: was on the other's guide and I was just.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Over here, over here yet right yet?
• 38:09
  Speaker 18: Oh yeah, sure, yeah, okay with.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Their net yea. And I was, oh yeah, somewhere in
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: one of these okay.
• 38:19
  Speaker 18: And you got back on that too, then I ava Okay.
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: Notice how Nick feels the need to provide a detailed
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: description on this claim from Amy, but not for anything else.
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: This is a common defense mechanism used by someone lying
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: and they feel as though their claims aren't being taken
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: as truth. They try and depicts the scenario in as
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: much detail as possible to make it seem more authentic.
• 38:40
  Speaker 18: Okay, So you took the.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Smaller knife from one of them.
• 38:43
  Speaker 18: And that's the one that you said that you kind
• 38:45
  Speaker 18: of went.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Yees, oh, I was, I was. I was going like this,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I wanted I wanted out.
• 38:49
  Speaker 16: You're cutting and they were punching me and they were.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Sturdling me, and they came really going.
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: They were pushing me in the water. I didn't even
• 38:56
  Speaker 16: know if I was poling you, right, I just grabbed
• 38:58
  Speaker 16: it from you because he tried to poke me with it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 16: I feared for my life.
• 39:02
  Speaker 18: Something I was very shocked.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I was extremely shocked.
• 39:06
  Speaker 20: Is it you?
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 39:08
  Speaker 18: What do you think was happening at that time?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: You were doing?
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Of fighting me? They they pointed the knife at me.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: They pointed the knife at me.
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: Nick thinks this photo will actually help his case, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: he's in for a rude awakening.
• 39:19
  Speaker 18: Did you see anyone take the stitchure of you?
• 39:21
  Speaker 22: No?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: God, No, I was. I was actually very very any
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: uh scared. I was very scared. I didn't know what
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: to think. I didn't know what they were doing and why.
• 39:30
  Speaker 16: I mean, I understand they were drunk, but you get drunk,
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: d drunk, We all get drunk. We don't do that
• 39:36
  Speaker 16: kind of stuff, especially on a family. We really family out.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: We don't do that kind of stuff. No, very you see,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I was very very scared. I didn't know what was
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: gonna happen next. So why happened? And you generally want
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: to happen?
• 39:52
  Speaker 18: Yeah, four people went to the hospital with injury.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: And not a very remorseful reaction for someone who's just
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: learned he killed someone and injured for others. It's almost
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: like he fully knew that he critically injured multiple people.
• 40:14
  Speaker 18: I don't know any of their names, and I don't
• 40:16
  Speaker 18: know any genders.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: But I don't know. Is that because they fought each
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: other or is that I don't know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 18: I don't know what their injuries are. I I just
• 40:23
  Speaker 18: I was with Sandy the whole time, and then when
• 40:25
  Speaker 18: I kind of turned Sandy over to or aphilin Amy,
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: then I came here. So I I have no idea
• 40:30
  Speaker 18: what their injuries were.
• 40:31
  Speaker 16: Oh my god, what other pictures do they give you
• 40:43
  Speaker 16: or me?
• 40:44
  Speaker 21: Just that one?
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: That's the only one I have now my whole way.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: The Dondle twos, well, I don't I don't.
• 40:52
  Speaker 18: Know if that's be he Because people have the right
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: to defend themselves, I know, but this is but this
• 40:57
  Speaker 18: is Wisconsina.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: The continue and I I I I usually know that
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: people that dependents of the end up being accused of
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: being this and being that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 18: Well, I think if you'd asked me what.
• 41:16
  Speaker 16: I would have done, Yeah, you don't know.
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: I don't know.
• 41:22
  Speaker 20: I can tell you that I.
• 41:22
  Speaker 16: Wanted you want that many people if you had tried
• 41:25
  Speaker 16: to pull your pants down and hit you and yeah,
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: and two two two boys had a knife on him.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: They didn't find any of those two knights.
• 41:33
  Speaker 18: I I don't know. I don't know, but we're looking,
• 41:35
  Speaker 18: and you know at we're looking.
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: Before I get the dark out, I'm glad I actually
• 41:41
  Speaker 16: took that kid to the knife.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: He would have stabbed me. He was not there to
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: scare me, he was there to harm me.
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: Again, Notice how every time a knife gets brought up,
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: Nick feels the need to elaborately explain that he took
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: the knife and whoever had it was trying to hurt him.
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: This is all a deflection tactic to try and make
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: his lie seem less suspicious. Nick would take blood vitals
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: and the interview would conclude, but notice his difference in
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: tone between the start and the end of the interrogation.
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: Clearly he feels like something went wrong, and those emotions
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: would carry directly into his trial, which would go on
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: for nearly two weeks. The trial began with opening statements,
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: followed by witness testimonies from those present at the crime.
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: These were a complete mess and honestly made the prosecution
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: story seem a whole lot less credible. Take Larryon, for example,
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: who told a completely different story from what he told
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: officers during his police interview.
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: So, what you've provided to the state in terms of
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: what you say you observed, there's much more than that.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: True.
• 42:40
  Speaker 17: Yes, So you give two statements, one about eleven days
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: after the incident twelve days and one twenty one months
• 42:47
  Speaker 17: after the incident. Which memory in terms of the dates
• 42:50
  Speaker 17: when you give those statements, is one better than the other?
• 42:53
  Speaker 17: If I said to you, memories normally better closer in
• 42:56
  Speaker 17: time to an event, would you agree with that?
• 42:58
  Speaker 18: Yes?
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: I remember he had a hat on.
• 43:01
  Speaker 17: He looked like he wasn't supposed to be in the water,
• 43:04
  Speaker 17: like he just came out of he came out of
• 43:07
  Speaker 17: the bushes.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Remember that? Yeah?
• 43:10
  Speaker 17: So is it your testimony today under that the person
• 43:14
  Speaker 17: involved in this incident had a hat on and came
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: out of the bushes.
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: No, you told the police I told him like, yes,
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: but I don't but I don't like you said it
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: could be foggy.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's what it was. No more, though,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: were you intentionally lying to the police.
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: No, this is the interview with the lawyer is referring to.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: The guy with the knife. Fear.
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: He looked like not too heavy set, but he was
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: like an older man.
• 43:40
  Speaker 23: He was an older man.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I can't really remember like with his hair or anything.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Because I was just making something up. I don't really remember,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: but I remember he had a hat on.
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he he looked like he wasn't suposed to be
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: in the water.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Like he just came out of the arm.
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: He he came out of the bushes. Next thing you know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: he get to walk it in the water and they'd like,
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: they'd like, they said, the fighters son, the dude in
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: the water swung on him and he pulled out the knife.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And get the stabbing.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: It obvious. Lies like this work against the purpose of
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: his witness testimony and make everything the prosecution says less credible.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: Generally speaking, this goes to show how unreliable witness statements
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: can be. Larryon's recollection of Nick's appearance wasn't even remotely close,
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: yet he was fully confident in those claims. Besides larry
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: On getting outed, the witness testimonies clearly showed the jury
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: all the evidence shown so far in this video and
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: every factual piece of evidence that could be used against Nick.
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: They claimed the teen's actions towards Nick did not justify
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: the use of deadly force and should not be considered
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: as self defense. To further prove this, they presented autopsy
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: reports showcasing just how severe some of the injuries inflicted
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: by Nick actually were.
• 44:51
  Speaker 15: Did you complete an internal examination of Isaac's body.
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: Yes, you summarized the results of your internal examination of
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: Isaac's body.
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: Sure, As I said, I observe most important, I observe
• 45:05
  Speaker 15: sharpest injury to his left chest. Later, I classify this
• 45:09
  Speaker 15: wound as a stab wound, so it was stab wound
• 45:12
  Speaker 15: to the left chest. The stab wound to penetrate to
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: his left chest cavity, then wound kind of continuous and
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: go to the left long. He had a blood in
• 45:22
  Speaker 15: his last left chest cavity. I recovered two hundred cubic
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: centimeters it's approximate in glass of the blood.
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: This would wrap up the prosecution's case and allow for
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: Nick to take the stand. Nick would detail essentially the
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: same story as in his interview, claiming that he was
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: searching for a lost cell phone in the river when
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: he was confronted by a group of people. He felt
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: threatened and panicked when they surrounded him, leading him to
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: use the knife in self defense. The jury deliberations would
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: begin on July twentieth, twenty twenty three, and on July
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: twenty first, they would return a unanimous verdict finding Nikolai
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: guilty a first degree intentional homicide with four counts of
• 46:01
  Speaker 10: attempted first degree intentional homicide. Nikolai had lost. This result
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: was met with mixed reactions from the public. On one hand,
• 46:10
  Speaker 10: it was clear that Nick's actions were extreme and it
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: was certainly not necessary to use that degree of force
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: against the teens. However, he was ganged up on thirteen
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: to one precisely in the moment. Many felt his response
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: was justified, and the teens put him in a scenario
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: to fight for his life. On the contrary, those who
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: watched all the evidence in court aka all the footage
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: shown in this video realized Nikolai was lying through his
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: teeth the entire time and clearly felt he was guilty
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: to some degree. However, public opinion is irrelevant in the
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: court of law, and the jury gets the final say,
• 46:44
  Speaker 10: determining he was a cold blooded killer the day of
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: July thirtieth, twenty twenty two. Nikolai would be sentenced shortly
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: after to life in prison.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: This was his raw reaction.
• 46:58
  Speaker 22: Taking life and endangered the life of others are two
• 47:01
  Speaker 22: crimes that warrant significant punishment for Count one, I will
• 47:04
  Speaker 22: impose a term of initial confinement of twenty years, followed
• 47:08
  Speaker 22: by six years of extended supervision. Five years initial confinement
• 47:11
  Speaker 22: followed by five years of extended supervision.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: Five years of initial confinement followed by five years of
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: extended supervision. Six years of initial confinement, followed by five
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: years of extended supervision.
• 47:21
  Speaker 22: Count six Madison Cohen two hundred and seventy days of
• 47:25
  Speaker 22: jail