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Will New Orleans Saints Land Joe Brady, Aaron Glenn Or Other Top Head Coaching Candidate? · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: Bark on a coaching search for the second time in
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  Speaker 1: three years now. Dennis Allen out Darren Rizzy will interview
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  Speaker 1: for the job. But my goodness, the reports are flying
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  Speaker 1: fast and furious. On his black Monday around the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: Ross Jackson, Louisiana Sports dot Net. He's our Saints guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's been all over it today, joins us. Now, how
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  Speaker 1: are you, man, Hey, buddy?
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  Speaker 2: Doing great? Doing great? Yeah, it's a whole other season
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 1: Man, And I seem like every time I refresh Twitter
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  Speaker 1: or the re or the website or our Louisiana Sports
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  Speaker 1: Net text chain, you've got another name. I think you
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  Speaker 1: start with a big picture question. Then we'll go in
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  Speaker 1: some nuance about each candidate. Yeah, what can you tell
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  Speaker 1: us about the process as a whole as far as
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  Speaker 1: how this is likely to play out of the next
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  Speaker 1: day's weeks, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I would expect is and the first
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  Speaker 2: thing that I'll say is that do not expect a
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  Speaker 2: head coach to be named very quickly. And that's just
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  Speaker 2: not really just a New Orlean Saints thing that's going
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  Speaker 2: to kind of be around the NFL. There's a couple
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  Speaker 2: of different dominoes that you're looking at falling, and there's
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  Speaker 2: only so much you can do in terms of the
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  Speaker 2: NFL schedule, in terms of what it allows you to
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  Speaker 2: interview coordinators or people that are already on working with
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  Speaker 2: other teams that are in the playoffs, And of course
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  Speaker 2: those are going to be amongst the most desirable names,
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  Speaker 2: because well, they're in the playoffs and they're with good teams,
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  Speaker 2: and they're good coordinators, and so that's typically the way
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  Speaker 2: it's going to work out. So what you should expect
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  Speaker 2: is to continue to see these requests for interviews over
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  Speaker 2: the course of the next few days, throughout this week,
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  Speaker 2: next week, getting into the thirteenth of the month, you
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  Speaker 2: can do some virtual interviews with guys that are co
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  Speaker 2: in those playoffs, and then after that it's going to
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  Speaker 2: kind of go radio silent in terms of some of
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  Speaker 2: those guys up until the nineteenth and until those teams
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  Speaker 2: are eliminated. So it's gonna be a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a gap of a week in the midst of all that.
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  Speaker 2: I would also expect God.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm sorry ahead that you're done.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I would also expect that when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: Darren Rizzy, who will be an internal candidate, that very
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  Speaker 2: likely they will have an interview with him over the
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  Speaker 2: course of the next week. Another guy Mike Vrabel who
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  Speaker 2: can be in you know who could be interviewed immediately,
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  Speaker 2: but that you're still looking at them. The Saints spending
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  Speaker 2: this next week reevaluating the team, evaluating their staff, and
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  Speaker 2: figuring things out. Darren Rizzy will still be a part
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  Speaker 2: of that. That's going to be a key cog in
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  Speaker 2: the wheel in terms of the mechanism of hiring this
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  Speaker 2: next head coach is to understand where they are and
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  Speaker 2: what things need to change, and so that will be
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  Speaker 2: a part of that timeline as well. Is that evaluation
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  Speaker 2: period over the course of.
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  Speaker 1: This week, so I guess there's clear of the deck.
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  Speaker 1: Do we think there's any chance that Darren Rizzy gets
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  Speaker 1: the job.
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  Speaker 2: I would certainly say that there's a chance. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how likely it is. I don't know that he
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  Speaker 2: would necessarily be entering as the favorite. But if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the jobs that are available, and some of
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  Speaker 2: the guys that we already know are amongst the top
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  Speaker 2: of the list for New Orleans, Mike Rabel feels like
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  Speaker 2: a really good fit for a team like the New
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  Speaker 2: England Patriots, who kind of surprised everybody by opening up
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  Speaker 2: a head coaching search this weekend. A guy like Aaron Glynn,
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  Speaker 2: who's way on top of the list for New Orleans,
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  Speaker 2: we're sure, is a guy that could also be looking
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  Speaker 2: at that New York Jets job as a guy that
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  Speaker 2: was drafted by the New York Jets number twelve overall
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  Speaker 2: as he came into the league. And so if you
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  Speaker 2: start to see some of those top candidates go away,
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like Darren Rizzy just keeps
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  Speaker 2: moving up the list. And I'll be honest, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that you have to go very far down the
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  Speaker 2: list to find Darren Rizzy's name in the first place,
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  Speaker 2: and so I don't think that it would take that
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  Speaker 2: many coordinators, former coordinators, or former head coaches to get
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  Speaker 2: hired away elsewhere in order for Darren Rizzy to reach
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  Speaker 2: the top of that list. So I wouldn't close a
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  Speaker 2: door on that just yet, especially if the Saints are
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  Speaker 2: going to kind of incrementally rebuild this team over the
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  Speaker 2: course of the next few years, where they could probably
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  Speaker 2: enter the coaching search again in a couple years if
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  Speaker 2: they needed to or find success with him. He's a
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  Speaker 2: guy that he could feel comfortable with, so I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: rule him out. But I think that there are still.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be some names up above Ross's five jobs
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  Speaker 1: open when you look at salary cap, quarterback situation, cap situation,
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  Speaker 1: roster situation. SIVEN debate while the Saints is the worst
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  Speaker 1: job open, like, we don't need to go like we
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  Speaker 1: can you we can universally agree that of the five,
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  Speaker 1: this is the fifth. Make the case for why the
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  Speaker 1: Saints even though it's the fifth of the five. Make
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  Speaker 1: the case for why this would be appealing for a candidate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all relative, right, You can you can
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  Speaker 2: be the fifth of five championship winners and still be
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  Speaker 2: a championship winner. So it is a relative thing. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that when you look at New Orleans, one
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  Speaker 2: of the big things is patients, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to find that New Orleans Saints, to a fault,
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  Speaker 2: have shown that they will be patient. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think that that's something that operates pretty well for guys
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  Speaker 2: that are entering this head coaching search who are either
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  Speaker 2: first time head coaches or coaches that couldn't make it
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  Speaker 2: happen somewhere else, which is going to be about one
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent of the coach which is that they interview.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be one of those two categories. That's
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  Speaker 2: what happens during these coaching surgeons. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: that the patients of the organization and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: their salary cap is kind of in the situation that
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  Speaker 2: it's in sixty three million dollars over going into next year,
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  Speaker 2: that you're basically going to get a built in free
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  Speaker 2: year to where you know you're looking at that as
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  Speaker 2: a part of what you're doing, not where you could
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  Speaker 2: end up in a New York job. Excuse me, New
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  Speaker 2: England Patriots draw Mayo type situations where you get one
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  Speaker 2: year and then you're done. So I think that those
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  Speaker 2: are the That's one of the biggest selling points. I
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  Speaker 2: think the other biggest selling point is and I know
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of fans aren't going to like hearing this,
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  Speaker 2: but the New Orleans thinks have stable ownership, They have
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  Speaker 2: a stable general manager. Now is that general manager going
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  Speaker 2: to make the right decisions? He is going to be
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  Speaker 2: evaluated the course of this offseason as well. It's one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why he's going to be a big
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  Speaker 2: part and you know, outside of his job description be
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  Speaker 2: a guy that's going to be at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the list in terms of this coaching search, is because
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  Speaker 2: he gets evaluated in the midst of all this as well.
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  Speaker 2: But look, the things aren't in a situation where they
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  Speaker 2: have a bunch of turmoil and turnover and things like
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  Speaker 2: that like other franchises. Young coaches, coaches, they couldn't make
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  Speaker 2: it work elsewhere. They want to see that. They want
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of that. And I think the
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  Speaker 2: last thing is this is a team that's looking to
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  Speaker 2: rebuild and that is looking to overhaul over the course
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  Speaker 2: of the next few years. No matter how much they
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  Speaker 2: tell you that they're not. That's the goal is to
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  Speaker 2: get better. In order to do that, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be making personnel decisions. So you have a real opportunity
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  Speaker 2: here as a new head coach coming into this situation
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  Speaker 2: where you have good salary cap outlook in the future
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  Speaker 2: within the next couple of years, and so then you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at the opportunity to be but to rebuild this
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  Speaker 2: franchise exactly, rebuild this exactly the way that you want
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  Speaker 2: to see it rebuilt.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw this too, Josina Anderson, Like, I was
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  Speaker 1: just it's funny how quickly this goes row ye. I
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  Speaker 1: was just going to ask you about like the the
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  Speaker 1: candidates that the Saints have requested, like you've already reported
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  Speaker 1: Joe Brady Kellen Moore. Well, Josina Anderson just tweeted the
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  Speaker 1: Saints of requested permission for Giants assistant head coach and
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Kafka.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, by the way, as soon as we're done, you
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  Speaker 1: can go write that one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you are ex So we should hang up
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  Speaker 1: now so you can go right it for Louisiana's Ports.
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  Speaker 1: But let's go through the candidates that we know the
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  Speaker 1: Saints have are have reported requested. So let's start with Braid,
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  Speaker 1: with Joe Brady and Kellen Moore. Maybe just tell me
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  Speaker 1: why it might say? Why your reaction? Why do you
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  Speaker 1: think it might make sense?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are guys that fit the trend of the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: which is to go and hire the big, young, right
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  Speaker 2: offensive minds. Joe Brady of course was with the team
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  Speaker 2: before twenty eighteen or twenty and seventeen, twenty and eighteen
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  Speaker 2: as a as an offensive assistant before of course heading
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  Speaker 2: over to LSU and winning a national championship there in
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. And he has sort of the offensive wonder kid,
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  Speaker 2: wonder kid type of a label. And of course I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a lot of success with the Buffalo Bill, so
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  Speaker 2: I think that he's the guy that could make sense
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  Speaker 2: for New Orleans. Kellen Moore is an interesting one because
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  Speaker 2: he shows the team going away from its from its
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  Speaker 2: kind of comfort zone. It's not really he's not really
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  Speaker 2: about it. That's been super connected with New Orleans outside
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  Speaker 2: of Derek Foster, their running backs coach. They were together
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  Speaker 2: last year in with the Los Angeles Chargers, and so
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  Speaker 2: or in recent years of Los Angeles Chargers. But same
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  Speaker 2: thing right twenty thirty is us a thirty six year
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  Speaker 2: old guy, young wonder kid type, you know, has worked
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  Speaker 2: with some great quarterbacks all that. I think those are
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  Speaker 2: two guys that just kind of fit the trend of
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  Speaker 2: what the NFL is looking for in those young offensive lines.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any thought on Kafka. I know that's
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  Speaker 1: brand new, but any thought there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's the guy whose name has been
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  Speaker 2: around for quite a while. I mean he ended up
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  Speaker 2: getting some of those interviews in the recent past with
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  Speaker 2: other teams. He's been a name that is continuously kind
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  Speaker 2: of filtered in and out, and I think that one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why is that he is you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's got the former player former you know, he's got
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback experience, all those other things. He's also not
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  Speaker 2: only been with the New York Giants, but in the
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  Speaker 2: recent past he was the quarterback coach for Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 2: He was the passing and coordinator I believe for that
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  Speaker 2: team too, and a couple of electrifying years in twenty
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. So I think that those were
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  Speaker 2: things that made him a candidate in New York as
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  Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator, and now he's been in New York.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's learned some lessons of what not to
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  Speaker 2: do while there, and it makes a pretty solid candidate
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  Speaker 2: going into future head coaching searches as well. I think
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  Speaker 2: that he's a guy that also, if I'm not mistaken,
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  Speaker 2: kind of checks the Parcels tree box. He has the
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  Speaker 2: Andy Reid connection there too, and has been a part
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  Speaker 2: of a big market and so I think all those
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  Speaker 2: things make him a guy that teams are going to
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  Speaker 2: want to talk to over the course of this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: He's Ross Jackson Louisiana Sports dot Net of course locked
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  Speaker 1: on Saints podcast as well. Get him on Twitter at
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  Speaker 1: Ross Jackson, NOLA. Okay, let's talk about some of the
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  Speaker 1: rumors that we've heard over the weekend. The John Gruden
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  Speaker 1: thing was thrown out there. How much validity to do
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  Speaker 1: you think there is to the John Gruden talk.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's validity that he's going to get. Looks
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be one of those things where like one
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  Speaker 2: team jumps the shark and says, yeah, okay, we'll do it,
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  Speaker 2: We'll interview John Gruden, and then because the one team
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  Speaker 2: did it, every other team goes okay, it's okay to
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  Speaker 2: do it now, and and they I'll go out and
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  Speaker 2: do it. I expect that that will be the case.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'll get a flurry of those phone calls,
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  Speaker 2: and so we'll see exactly which way it all goes
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  Speaker 2: for him. But I wouldn't be surprised if maybe his
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  Speaker 2: re entrance to the NFL is and immediately back as
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  Speaker 2: a head coach. That would be out of the ordinary,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of any means of dismissal and leaving and resignation
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  Speaker 2: and all these other things. Obviously, like the emails are
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  Speaker 2: a huge part, there's a lot of baggage when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to that. I think though, that where the Saints
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  Speaker 2: kind of probably aren't a good fit for him is
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  Speaker 2: that they're a team that's kind of already in a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of turmoil, right, like a lot of change
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  Speaker 2: overcoming for this team. Are they really in the position
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  Speaker 2: to be able to absorb all of that controversy, all
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  Speaker 2: of that baggage. I don't know that they are. But
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  Speaker 2: there's validity in that teams don't mind rolling the dice
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  Speaker 2: on a guy like my, a guy like John Gruden
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  Speaker 2: if other teams also aren't worried about rolling the dice
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  Speaker 2: on John Gurden. So we'll see where it goes, but
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll be a floodgate situation.
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  Speaker 1: The other one that was sort of rumored here is
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  Speaker 1: David Shaw, the former Stanford head coach. This was interesting,
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  Speaker 1: so James Slater of NFL medi he was certainly reputable
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  Speaker 1: side two sources that the Saints were going to interview
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  Speaker 1: David Shaw. Nick Underhill, who also of course is very reputable,
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  Speaker 1: reported that the Saints wouldn't, in turn interview David Shaw.
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  Speaker 1: What what can you tell us Ross? Then? What would
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  Speaker 1: be your reaction to Shaw's a potential candidate?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Shaw is a potential candidate, is a
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  Speaker 2: good candidate. I think he's I think he's a solid candidate.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be
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  Speaker 2: one for some team and everything like that. New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: Saints included it could be a situation to where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one one report came from the intent to interview, while
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  Speaker 2: another report comes from, Hey, that's not necessarily happening right now,
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  Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that it couldn't happen down the road.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's there's a bunch of reasons why these types
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  Speaker 2: of things can conflict. But I think that when you
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  Speaker 2: look at what it is that a guy like David
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  Speaker 2: Shaw brings you is to get his experience with quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: His experience is an offensive mind. He's worked with guys
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  Speaker 2: like Andrew Luck, who is you know, the one of
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  Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback prospects coming in too in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: at any point, and then now has experience with Sean
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  Speaker 2: Payton and the Denver Broncos. Like there's some connective tissue
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  Speaker 2: there all of a sudden, So I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 2: to see an interview potentially happen or there to be
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  Speaker 2: some interest. I think as a candidate, he's a solid candidate.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that this is his cycle to actually
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  Speaker 2: get a job, but sometimes this is also about get
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  Speaker 2: him in, have the interview, keep tabs on him for
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  Speaker 2: maybe something else or a future need at a later time,
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  Speaker 2: and at least opening up his opportunities within.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL A couple more quickly. He's on Twitter at
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  Speaker 1: Ross Jackson, Nola, Louisiana Sports Done Nett locked on Saints Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not listening to Ross every day, why not
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  Speaker 1: if you're not reading him every day, like why not?
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  Speaker 1: This is like the best time with the season being
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  Speaker 1: what it was, This is the time when things are
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  Speaker 1: actually really interesting right now. Okay, you mentioned Aaron Glenn
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  Speaker 1: early in this conversation, and I guess too, Why does
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  Speaker 1: Glenn make sense? Then? The other part is why would Glenn,
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  Speaker 1: who is going to be very desirable, want New Orleans?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, that's going to be a really interesting one
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  Speaker 2: to watch, because, like I said earlier, I really think
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  Speaker 2: that Aaron Glenn is going to be I wouldn't blame
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  Speaker 2: him for being very tempted and intrigued by that New
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  Speaker 2: York Jets job. Either, It's not every day you get
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  Speaker 2: to be a guy that could potentially be a head
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  Speaker 2: coach of the New York Jets. For all their ineptitude
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  Speaker 2: as of late, it's still very history franchise. And so
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  Speaker 2: I think the thing that you look at in terms
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  Speaker 2: of looking back at why would erin Glenn want New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans knowing that the Jets are available? It's like, look,
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  Speaker 2: that's not going to be that's tough competition for New Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that for Glenn, maybe the thing is
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  Speaker 2: the connected isssue that he already has here. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: he was a defensive backs coach. Finished his career as
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  Speaker 2: a player here in two thousand and eight, and again
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  Speaker 2: you're looking at a team that would be able to
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  Speaker 2: provide him as a first time head coach a lot
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  Speaker 2: of patients and a lot of time to build what
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  Speaker 2: it is that he wants and a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: things that he wants to do on defense. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of the players in per personnel wise and the roster
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  Speaker 2: here already know what that is and how to do it,
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of translation all those other things. He
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  Speaker 2: would have leaders probably for another year, some collection of
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  Speaker 2: guys like Tomorrio Davis and Tyron Matthew and Kim Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: whoever makes it the twenty twenty five, those guys would
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  Speaker 2: be able to kind of help to translate his system
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  Speaker 2: to guys because they would already have the experience. Yetta
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  Speaker 2: got it. So I think that there's just the symmetry
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  Speaker 2: there makes it an easier transition and then a patient transition.
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  Speaker 2: But I think he's going to be really tempted by
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: what the Jets have to offer.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Is there any name we haven't talked about yet that's
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: worth mentioning as of now?
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly we should talk about Matt Naggie, shouldn't we?
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Ah, God, I did forget about it? Like that you
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: want to talk about a Freudian slip, Like just omitting
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Matt Naggi from this conversation unintentionally says everything that needs
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: to be said. Right, Okay, Matt Naggie, give me thirty
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: or you can take sixty if you need it, but
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: hopefully no more than that.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I won't need sixty that. I think you look at
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Matt Naggie as like a micro rable light, somebody you
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: bring in to be a figurehead, head coach that builds
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: a culture and then perhaps you can maybe sell that
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: culture at a later time, but somebody to kind of
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: help guide you through your rebuild and then try to
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: be like a lesser version of what a guy like
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Mike Brable is if you want somebody another candidate though,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: that can be a culture builder for you and potentially
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: be a long term option. Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Weaver is definitely a guy to watch, at least in
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: this coaching cycle. He might not be a fit for
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints, but somebody's going to get a
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: job eventually. Former player has the gusto to get everybody
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: kind of riled up, generate buy in, all that kind
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: of stuff. So if I'm New Orleans and I'm looking
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: at Matt Naggie and I'm looking at Anthony Weaver, I'm
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: leaning a little bit more towards Anthony Weaver, even though
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: he's on the defensive side of the football, because not
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: only would you be able to generate that buy in,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: generate that culture, and build something that's a little unique
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: with him, you'd also get somebody that's going to bring
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: you a really, really unique approach to your defense, which
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I think the Saints get a little bit of a
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: refresh there.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Ross Jackson, I'll let you
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Go right Thank you, Thanks Budding Briguy for having you
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: on Tickers Safe Tautiction