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IFH 777: Carving Her Own Path: Kansas Bowling on Confidence, Creativity, and the Magic of 16mm Film · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 4: In this next centterview, I just want to pre note
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  Speaker 4: this by saying I'm a little rusty and it shows.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was just how bad I sounded,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe I'm just that bad.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but this interview was like extremely quick,
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  Speaker 4: wasn't really that in depth. So it is what it is, right, So,
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  Speaker 4: without further ado, on this week's episode of the podcast,
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  Speaker 4: I talked to a filmmaker who was the first graduate
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  Speaker 4: of the Trauma Institute for the Gifted. She made the
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  Speaker 4: film She directed and wrote the film BC Butcher when
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  Speaker 4: she was seventeen. Now she's going on to direct a
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  Speaker 4: ton of music videos, which we talk about.
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  Speaker 3: She's also in.
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  Speaker 4: Production right now of her second feature film. She shoots
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  Speaker 4: everything on sixteen millimeters, so she's, you know, throwt it
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  Speaker 4: back old school, which, by the way, I actually like.
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  Speaker 4: I like, you know, if you find a style, I say,
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  Speaker 4: stick with it, and you know, whether it's shooting on
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  Speaker 4: film or digital. And I talked about that too, because
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  Speaker 4: I think the film does give you certain things that
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  Speaker 4: digital doesn't. But either way, with guests, Ken's is bowling.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's been funny because we've been trying to
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  Speaker 4: get a hold of each other for for a while now.
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  Speaker 4: But see, it's hard because you live such an awesome life,
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  Speaker 4: Like every time I see your Instagram, you're out doing
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  Speaker 4: something really really cool, a lot cooler than what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 5: So well, my Instagram just got permanently deleted yesterday, So.
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  Speaker 3: Well, why was that?
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  Speaker 5: I made a post about a new wave of fascism
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  Speaker 5: on the internet and I got banned for hate speech?
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  Speaker 4: Really, so did they even give you a warning or
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  Speaker 4: they just immediately take you down?
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  Speaker 5: No, they just took me down. It was because I
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  Speaker 5: was coming in defense of James Gunn this whole thing,
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  Speaker 5: and so everyone started calling me a pedophile, because it's
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  Speaker 5: like a new wave of mass hysteria where if you
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  Speaker 5: don't agree with someone, there's suddenly a pedophile. So now, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't have any four of social media now, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because didn't they get before.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't you didn't like your Twitter or something, or didn't
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  Speaker 4: you have something and it got banned once before?
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  Speaker 5: Uh no, I just had they'd like always delete my
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  Speaker 5: posts and stuff, but now they just leave it my
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  Speaker 5: whole account.
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  Speaker 3: So now what are you gonna do without social media?
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  Speaker 5: Just keep doing what I'm doing. Just without social media.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, nothing really changes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: Well you know the old saying Kansas, if if you
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  Speaker 4: don't do it on social media, it never really happened.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, so so so see that now now
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  Speaker 3: we don't know what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: So you're such a cool person and I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 4: be able to keep up with your life anymore. So,
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  Speaker 4: But because because honestly, Like, and that's what I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to get into in this interview. You know, you're out
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  Speaker 4: doing so many like cool projects and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, you've directed like twenty music videos,
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  Speaker 4: you directed, uh, you know, directed a feature film.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're you're a in pre production for the next one.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, let's just get started with you know
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  Speaker 4: at the beginning, how did you get started doing this
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  Speaker 4: whole you know, filmmaking thing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I made a feature film right when I got
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  Speaker 5: out of high school, just basically because I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: make movies and I thought it would be easier to
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  Speaker 5: just make one than to like go to film school
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  Speaker 5: and everything, and it would prove to be better for me.
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  Speaker 5: And I was right, Yeah, I just yeah, I just
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  Speaker 5: I made this slasher cave woman slasher for Trauma when
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  Speaker 5: I was seventeen. I mean I made it and gave
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  Speaker 5: it to Trauma and then yeah, and then from that,
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  Speaker 5: I've just gotten a lot of jobs and stuff, like
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  Speaker 5: people saw it like it's i mean within the it's
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  Speaker 5: not like a widely recognized film by any means, but
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  Speaker 5: within the sort of trauma community it is. So from
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  Speaker 5: that I've gotten like music video offers like directing and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of acting stuff. And you know, once I
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  Speaker 5: do one music video, I usually at another one saw it,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, it's just kind of like a word
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  Speaker 5: of mouth sort of thing. So that's how it got started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and by the way, that is a
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  Speaker 3: good idea.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, not to go to college, because trust me,
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  Speaker 4: I made the mistake of going to college. And I
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  Speaker 4: remember I saw one of your posts one time about that,
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  Speaker 4: and I couldn't agree with I could not hit that
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  Speaker 4: love button fast enough, Kansas, because.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah that that actually got deleted by Instagram
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  Speaker 5: too for hate speech, because it says that because I
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  Speaker 5: was like encouraging bad behavior or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I get.
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  Speaker 3: I see that.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I remember most about you, Kansas, is all
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  Speaker 4: your delete social media posts.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. But you know, we
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  Speaker 3: you had to post there, and it.
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  Speaker 4: Just was all came about college, and and honestly, I
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  Speaker 4: having gone and even worked at a college, I can
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  Speaker 4: tell you a lot of the students there there's a
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  Speaker 4: there's a there's a good portion who should not be
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  Speaker 4: going to college. The only reason that they're going is
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  Speaker 4: because they're told to.
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  Speaker 3: They have to go, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's a problem too that people can't really
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  Speaker 5: think for themselves. They're just doing what they're told to do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why I need Instagram to tell me
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  Speaker 4: these things and delete posts. But but so you know,
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  Speaker 4: as you're going out and you and you're getting these
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  Speaker 4: different jobs, you know what, what are some of the
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  Speaker 4: strangest offers that you've gotten?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know strangest anyway. People always like
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  Speaker 5: trying to get me to do foreign and stuff. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know. I want to say no, of course, Well yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know. I feel like that's pretty typical.
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  Speaker 3: No one's ever asked me to do that. Usually people
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  Speaker 3: pay me, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean for a girl, especially in like horror world. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that's it. I feel like that's not
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  Speaker 5: really an interesting answer. I don't know. People will send
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  Speaker 5: me like really horrible scripts all times, where it's like
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  Speaker 5: the whole thing is just like a giant sex scene.
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  Speaker 5: They're like, no, but it's gonna be like really artsy
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  Speaker 5: I swear, And I'm just like a you know, no thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 4: I like, I have friends who would do stuff like that,
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  Speaker 4: and I would just be reading the script and I'm
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  Speaker 4: just like, I'm not even a girl, and you're creeping
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  Speaker 4: me out, like you know.
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  Speaker 5: What I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't imagine a girl reading this or an
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  Speaker 4: actress reading this and being like, yeah, this this sounds
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  Speaker 4: like it's gonna be a great scene for a great movie.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It just seems like a facade for you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. And it's just so do people just like
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  Speaker 4: send you screenplays like all the time from email and stuff? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just basically like hey, Kansas, I want to
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  Speaker 4: cast you in this thing, and it just and then
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  Speaker 4: you read it and it's just like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 4: just nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I mean not all the time. I
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  Speaker 5: mean I get some good scripts too, send to mean, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know if I'm able to all appear in those
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  Speaker 5: and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, So, so like, what are some of the
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  Speaker 4: better scare of scripts that you've got, Like, so, what
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  Speaker 4: are some of the better pitches that you've gotten for
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  Speaker 4: things to do? Well?
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  Speaker 5: I'm acting in this one would be called The Electracomplex,
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  Speaker 5: which is directed by Jessica Janos starring me in Violet Pailey,
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  Speaker 5: and we've played these uh two sex workers in the nineties. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's it's one of the most well written screenplays. Well,
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  Speaker 5: it's actually the most whole screenplay I've ever gotten sent
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  Speaker 5: to me and probably one of like my favorite screenplays
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  Speaker 5: I've ever read. It's really really good. So that should
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  Speaker 5: be coming soon. We're we're still shooting that one right now.
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  Speaker 3: And see that that that's actually good. You know that
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  Speaker 3: it's good.
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  Speaker 4: That that's actually good. You know, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 4: get too many crazy offers. And so when you actually
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  Speaker 4: read the screenplay and you said it was one of
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  Speaker 4: the most well written screenplays you've.
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  Speaker 3: Ever read, and you know what were some of it?
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  Speaker 3: Was it just a prose? Was it the characters? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what really stood out for you.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's just like a very unique story because I
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  Speaker 5: I hate you know, when you're watching a movie and
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  Speaker 5: you know exactly what's going to happen once you find
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  Speaker 5: out what the conflict is, you know, yeah, it's just like, uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's unique, and it's personal and it's not trying. It's
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  Speaker 5: like it's very it's subversive without trying to be edgy
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  Speaker 5: and it's not trying to be anything else. That's it's
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  Speaker 5: very genuine.
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  Speaker 4: So so when you read a script like that, does
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  Speaker 4: it do you do you try to take someone? Because
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  Speaker 4: I know you're a screenwriter too, do you take that
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  Speaker 4: and try to like, you know, I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: say mimic that, but do you try to say you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm trying to say, Like, do
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  Speaker 3: you try to do something like that?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 5: I we were trying to say, but I I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate other people's styles, and I appreciate when people
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  Speaker 5: have their own voice, and I'm I feel like I've
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  Speaker 5: been able to develop my own voice, so I don't
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  Speaker 5: really feel the need to mimic other people's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah what mammy, like you know, yeah, exactly. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to use work mimic I add a bad
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  Speaker 3: bad word. I meant more like I just pulled inspiration
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  Speaker 3: from exactly. Yeah you know what I mean. It's something
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, no, it's I No. I feel pretty confident
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  Speaker 5: with my voice of my writing, so I just don't
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  Speaker 5: find myself doing that.
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  Speaker 4: So you're actually uh working on another feature film right now,
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  Speaker 4: which is your second feature film. Uh, is there any details.
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  Speaker 3: You go into.
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  Speaker 5: I just shot a scene with Caroline Williams which was
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  Speaker 5: really exciting. Yeah, I'm I'm directing this feature. Should the
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  Speaker 5: feature should be done by the end of the year.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure when it will come out though, but
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  Speaker 5: it's a it's like a Mando movie, which is a
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  Speaker 5: forgotten genre. So I'm making a current day Mondo, which
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  Speaker 5: I'm very excited about.
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  Speaker 4: So, like you, like, obviously you can't say anything about
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  Speaker 4: like the plot or anything, right, I mean, I know
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  Speaker 4: what you I know you probably can't, but I thought
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  Speaker 4: i'd ask.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, you're shooting on eight on Super eight,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 5: Shoot on sixteen milimeters.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, sixteen millimeters. I'm sorry, you're right.
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  Speaker 4: So is that something that you want to continue to
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  Speaker 4: do is to shoot on sixteen milimeters?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. I mean I always like shooting on film.
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  Speaker 5: I've never shot on thirty five before because I've just
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  Speaker 5: been ever been able to since very expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But I shoot I shoot on Super eight and sixteen
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  Speaker 5: milimeter all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that the thirty five millimeter prices are are you
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  Speaker 4: think they'd be going down? Right, Kansas, Like you think
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  Speaker 4: that since you know, they might have some extra stock,
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  Speaker 4: it might be going down.
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  Speaker 5: But no, well, I mean a lot of big movies
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  Speaker 5: still shoot at thirty five, so makes sense. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 5: know everyone, No, people don't really realize that how many
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  Speaker 5: movies are still shot on film, but a vast majority
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  Speaker 5: of them more I mean not sorry, not majority, but
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  Speaker 5: a large number of mainstream movies are still shot on film.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just you know, when I was going up
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  Speaker 4: to like these different places and we know, different film
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  Speaker 4: labs and stuff like that, you know, a couple even
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, some of them were already
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  Speaker 4: starting getting too the digital world.
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  Speaker 3: I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 4: Like, honestly, when I see a movie like from the
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  Speaker 4: seventies and the eighties and had that certain a steic
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  Speaker 4: look to it, you know what I mean, And I
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  Speaker 4: really do miss that, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I think it looks too.
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  Speaker 4: I think with digital it has a tendency to look
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  Speaker 4: too clean, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's a there's a timeless look to film
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  Speaker 5: that you can't recreate with digital.
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  Speaker 3: So so when you're one, so what are you some
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  Speaker 3: of your favorite movies to watch.
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  Speaker 5: My favorite movie is f for Fake the orson Walls film. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Another one is Don Juan or If Don Juan were
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  Speaker 5: a woman Roger videm movie. Also Midnight Cowboy, the full
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  Speaker 5: two movie, Don't Torture Duckling. Uh yeah, those are so
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  Speaker 5: like my top movies.
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  Speaker 3: Cool.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I I just want to just ask you
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  Speaker 4: that because you know, you always do see what the
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  Speaker 4: influences of people are, you know what I mean. So, so,
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  Speaker 4: you know, as you're making a second feature film, you actually,
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  Speaker 4: you know, crowdfunded And I apologize, by the way, I
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: know where John kind of jumping around here.
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  Speaker 3: I apologize.
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  Speaker 5: It's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I just kind of I have a
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  Speaker 4: list of questions and I'm kind of going all all
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  Speaker 4: over the place with it.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, and I sometimes everyone ask them.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes we already ask it, we already answer it in
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  Speaker 4: another way. But so, so, you know, you actually used
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  Speaker 4: Instagram to sort of crowdfund the second movie because you know,
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  Speaker 4: you were asking for sixteen millimeter Hey, family wants to donate.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you'll become a producer on the film.
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  Speaker 4: You know, since your social media has now gone, do
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  Speaker 4: you think you'll ever get anything back, Like, do you
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: think you'll ever go back to fit a Twitter or
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  Speaker 4: Facebook or anything.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe I haven't. I haven't really thought
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  Speaker 5: about it yet. I'm just kind of I'm just working
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: on a lot of stuff right now, so I'm not
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  Speaker 5: really thinking about it. I'm I'm like drinking three music
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  Speaker 5: videos right now. When I hang up, I'm actually got
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: to go on my way to drop off some film
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  Speaker 5: and yeah, I'm preparing for a shoot in Miami this weekend,
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  Speaker 5: and then I'm acting in a big project coming out,
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  Speaker 5: so and then also doing my feature. I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: It's it's definitely not like the most important thing in
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: the world. So there's I don't know. I'm just focusing
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  Speaker 5: on my work right now.
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  Speaker 4: So so what are some of the tips that you
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  Speaker 4: could give the people for directing, Because you know, you directed.
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  Speaker 3: Like twenty music videos. You know you've directed, uh, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Two feature films now, so you know, like what are
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  Speaker 4: cause I mean you you've done more than a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people. I know who are you know, Like you
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  Speaker 4: know that are twice your age, that are in their forties.
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  Speaker 4: You know you've directed more things, So you know, what
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  Speaker 4: are some of the you know tips that you could
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  Speaker 4: that you could sort of give that the different people
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  Speaker 4: listening about you know, just just directing actors, directing the camera,
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, directing is just really just about confidence and if
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  Speaker 5: you if you're confident that you have a distinct voice
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  Speaker 5: or vision or whatnot, then you should just be able
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  Speaker 5: to start directing because there's not really much to it
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  Speaker 5: besides just telling people what you want to see. There's
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  Speaker 5: really actually like nothing else to directing besides that everything technically,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you can pretty much just learn along the way,
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  Speaker 5: but it's just you know, if you if you see
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  Speaker 5: a film in your head, or if you see you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: a shot in your head or whatever, whatever, you want
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: to make, music, video, anything, just go out and make
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  Speaker 5: it and don't doubt yourself.
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  Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, you know, what the Faurler
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: brothers said, we're most directing is like watching TV.
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  Speaker 5: I guess so, and I think about that, so.
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  Speaker 4: I yeah, I know, sorry, I just kind of threw
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  Speaker 4: it out there, but you know, just like what you
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: were saying, you know, you see in your head, and
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: for them they were just basically you know, watching you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: watching it on you know video village or what have you,
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  Speaker 4: or a monitor and then basically, you know, just they
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: can control the TV though, you know, stop, let's try
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  Speaker 4: it this way, you know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically it's definitely not something you need
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  Speaker 5: could go to school for anything. Just yeah, it's basically
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  Speaker 5: just about confidence because you have to be in charge
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  Speaker 5: of a set and stuff, and you have to be
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: confident in yourself that you know that you know what
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: your vision is unique. And yeah, you.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Know it's funny because we actually have two mutual friends.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: The first one is Lloyd Kaufman. Okay, and I mean
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: obviously everyone knows Lloyd. Uh, it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: The first one I ever met him face to face Kansas,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: he actually told me I was covered in.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Fake blood and he's like, hey, don't touch me.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: And I thought, and I forgot for a minute I
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: was covered with fake blood. But I thought for a second,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: he just doesn't want to touch me, which is normal,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: you know, and most people have that reaction.
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  Speaker 3: And the second person is Alex Ferrari. Because you were
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: actually any full.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Mantial pots oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. Actually
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: that podcast didn't episode did really well Actually.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Alex is a really really good.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Guy and you know that that podcast to me, it's
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: just going just going bangbusters. But yeah, no, I just
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to mention that because you know, it's
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: you know, I met those two, uh through networking, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I've even met you through the you know, through the
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: power of social media the Internet, and you're just talking
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: to people and and I think, you know, just you're
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: sort of going back to as we kind of tie
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: this all on together, because I know you have to
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: go just you know, going out there and putting yourself
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: out there and trying to network in person and and
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, through email wherever you can. It
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: does a lot more for you because by the time
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: you get out of because that doing that, by the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: time you and versus going to college, you have four
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: years of taking classes, et cetera.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: You got to you got a degree. It's also four
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: years where you're actually not out there making anything.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.
• 19:57
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  Speaker 3: So cool.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: So, Kansas, do you have anything that you want to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: say to sort of put a period there this whole conversation.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Anything any secrets of life, secrets of the universe, Uh,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: winning lottery numbers anything?
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Um uh nick thud wait sorry Walker, my houselve inspiration.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Let's see. Oh man, I don't know, so specters in
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: a set all right?
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: That that that that will be the way we end
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: it the case with that and uh that that might
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: be the most profound, prolific thing that anyone has said
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: on this podcast.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: But to Kansas, where we will check you out a line.
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  Speaker 5: I have a website Kansas dash Bowling dot com, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: you can see a bunch of music videos I've directed,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: and there's also links to my first movie b C. Butcher. Also,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: I have a I have contact on their public email
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: address and po box. Anyone wants to send me some
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: sixteen millimeter that'll be widely.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Appreciated, But do not send her bad scripts.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I mean you can, but it's not You're not going
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: to get the reaction you want.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And so those are the two rules.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I guess I was gonna say no bad scripts and
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: no porn, but so so so just no porn then okay, Yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: so Kansas, I'm gonna by the way, everyone, I'm gonna
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: link to everything Kansas and I talked about in the
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: show notes, Kansas.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: All right, cool, Thanks so much.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 21:56
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• 21:58
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