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Hour 3: We talk more Drew Brees & the NFL HoF. + We lock in with Dave Bartoo. · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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Speaker 1: Off the wackle, Off the wackle, Off the wackle.
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Speaker 2: Boe, what are you doing today?
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Speaker 1: Off the wackle?
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Speaker 2: Out of bounds? ESPN one oh five nine The Zone
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Speaker 2: Who Drew Brees first Ballot Hall of Famer, Pro Football
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Speaker 2: going to do another hit with Duncan on Drew Brees
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Speaker 2: going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio,
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Speaker 2: August eighth. Some of you will watch it, You'll get
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Speaker 2: emotional in a good way, and you'll get the goosebumps
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Speaker 2: and the chills that go along with it. He gave
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Speaker 2: you so many incredible memories with your friends and family.
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Speaker 2: And number nine legendary when Mike said, Mike Natilier was
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Speaker 2: just on, just join us. Uh, Mike de was just on.
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Speaker 2: He said, yeah, walk around New Orleans with him. Can
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Speaker 2: you imagine walking around New Orleans with Drew Brees. I
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Speaker 2: mean it doesn't even come close to I mean Harry
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Speaker 2: Connick Junior and Sean Payton don't even come close. And
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Speaker 2: there I could go through some others. Hey, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: walk from the Quarter to the Warehouse District. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk from Irenes to Merrill or Gregrey with
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Speaker 2: Drew Brees and just see what happens. Where's gonna cruise?
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Speaker 2: for something bigger. Then Drew, that's what he said. Can
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Speaker 2: we drop that again? That audio?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: All right, so Drew, let's set this up again. It
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Speaker 2: comes down to the Dolphins. I still think a big
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Speaker 2: piece of this is Nick Saban never goes to Bama.
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Speaker 2: Now he may go back to college if it doesn't
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Speaker 2: work out, but he misses the Bama window. Now you
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Speaker 2: may get the LSU window again. He may get the
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Speaker 2: Florida window. Can you imagine if God, you'd have dropped
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Speaker 2: Nick Saban at Florida. Of course he may not. Saban
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Speaker 2: may not have pushed out Urban when he beat when
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Speaker 2: he upset Urban and Tebow their their senior Tebow's senior year,
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Speaker 2: and Tebow was crying on the sidelines and Urban ends
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Speaker 2: up having the medical issue the night later or that
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Speaker 2: night when they got back from Atlanta. Either way, this
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Speaker 2: is Drew Brees talking about why it was New Orleans
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Speaker 2: and not the Miami Dolphins.
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Speaker 3: How close were you to me ended up a Miami dollars?
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Speaker 4: I mean yeah close. I mean on paper like that
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Speaker 4: was a that was an obvious decision. It was Miami
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Speaker 4: all the way. Miami had Nick Saban. They had just
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Speaker 4: come off a nine and seven seas where they won
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Speaker 4: like the last seven in a row, so they they
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Speaker 4: kind of had it figured out. Defense was lights out,
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Speaker 4: Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Oh yeah, their offense. I loved
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Speaker 4: all their coaching staff. Mike Malarkey was the OC, Jason
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Speaker 4: Garrett quarterback coach. Hudson Haalp was there, a line coach
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Speaker 4: who had been ur O line coach the year before
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Speaker 4: when we'd won the division. Love hud They were running
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Speaker 4: the same offense that we were running, like Miami Dolphins.
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Speaker 4: I'm sitting there eating dinner on Wayne Heizinga's yacht. He's
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Speaker 4: there at dinner talking about, Hey, we're gonna go We're
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Speaker 4: gonna go play golf in Scotland every every summer with Dan.
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Speaker 3: I got out of helicopter over there.
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Speaker 4: We're just gonna hop around, no state income tax. I'm like, dude,
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Speaker 4: this is all paper. Miami here I come. Yeah, and
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Speaker 4: then on the flip side, you got New Orleans right,
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Speaker 4: six months post Katrina, some unknown head coach named Sean Payton. Right,
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Speaker 4: is this guy right? And ironically five years previous when
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Speaker 4: I was when I was being like in the draft
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Speaker 4: Tom conn in my agent, I had probably fifteen teams
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Speaker 4: that I thought my drafting and he's like, we're going
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Speaker 4: through that list leading up to draft day and he's like, man,
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Speaker 4: you got all these great possibilities. He's like, man, you know, honestly,
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Speaker 4: the only one I would really not want you to
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Speaker 4: go to is the New Orleans Saints. I kind of
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Speaker 4: dysfunctional party town, this and that. Like, so I had
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Speaker 4: that ringing in my head as well. Right, So again
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Speaker 4: on paper, it's like this is so obvious and I'm
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Speaker 4: not leaving anything to chance. I'm gonna go and I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna give each one like it's fair opportunity. And like
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Speaker 4: the Miami trip was amazing, with the exception of they
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Speaker 4: put me through the ringer like six hours of these
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Speaker 4: medical testing because I was only too like eight weeks
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Speaker 4: postop on an eight month rehab, so I was nowhere close.
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Speaker 4: I mean my arm and I'm still kind of in
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Speaker 4: a sling you know, and I can't do anything, and
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Speaker 4: they're they do the you know, the saline solution, the
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Speaker 4: contrast MRI. So I'm like in an MRI two for
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Speaker 4: two hours, just aching, right, I get out of that.
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Speaker 4: They stick these big needles in my shoulder to test
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Speaker 4: nerve endings. They're they're, they're they're wanting to test everything.
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Speaker 4: So I just I got this feeling of like doubt,
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Speaker 4: like they don't really And and then their doctors were
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Speaker 4: the ones who told Saban, we think he's got a
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Speaker 4: twenty five percent chance of ever coming back. And and
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Speaker 4: I go to New Orleans and it's like you are
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Speaker 4: our guy, like Sean Payton, Mickey Limbus, you're our guy.
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Speaker 4: Or building this offense around you. They did everything they
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Speaker 4: could to kind of roll out the red carpet despite
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Speaker 4: all the circumstances. I mean, Noorleans was still destroyed, right right.
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Speaker 4: And the epic story is Sean Payton, after this great
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Speaker 4: visit there, gets lost in the Lakeview neighborhood and we're
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Speaker 4: driving through there and houses are off of foundations, Chevy
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Speaker 4: truck upside down the living room. All of a sudden,
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Speaker 4: car stops. There's a tugboat in the middle of the
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Speaker 4: road and I'm looking at my wife like are you
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Speaker 4: seeing what I'm seeing? But it was also one of
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Speaker 4: those moments like, man, this is so much bigger than
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Speaker 4: just football, right, Like we could to be a part
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Speaker 4: of one of them, you know, the resurrection of one
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Speaker 4: of America's greatest cities. Like this is God's calling in
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Speaker 4: our life. And so that was the determining fact.
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Speaker 2: Wow, he's by the way, he told you what he
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Speaker 2: was thinking in that clip, didn't he In the first
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Speaker 2: ten seconds on paper it was Miami all the way.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about that? On paper it was
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Speaker 2: Miami all the way? Yeah, And then he and Britney realized,
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Speaker 2: first of all, this is incredible for his age back
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Speaker 2: then did you hear what he said about midway through
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Speaker 2: that he was he wanted to give both of them
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Speaker 2: all the opportunity in the world to showcase who they were.
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Speaker 2: He could have easily gone to I don't even care
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Speaker 2: that they put me through this rigorous workout, and I
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Speaker 2: don't care that they some in the organization don't think
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Speaker 2: I'll come back. They want me. And then he talks
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Speaker 2: about feelings of doubt. Did you hear that in the audio?
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Speaker 2: Feelings of doubt. And this is a guy who had
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Speaker 2: been doubted his whole life. No one wanted him out
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Speaker 2: of Texas High School football, Aggie's Longhorns whatever. You know,
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Speaker 2: who would have taken him had he been there? Some
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Speaker 2: guy named Mike Leech had he been at Texas Tech.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Drew Brees as good as he was
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Speaker 2: as with Joe Tiller at Purdue and they don't have
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Speaker 2: athletes then or today? Can you imagine Drew Brees in
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Speaker 2: the air raid? What think about all the quarterbacks that
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Speaker 2: have been successful in that offense that were extremely limited
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Speaker 2: and Breeze is a freak athlete. Holy Mary Olsapp, Good morning.
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Speaker 2: season in September? Do you think you can pick one winner?
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Speaker 2: Because it's not easy. Do you think you can pick
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Speaker 2: one winner in the first month of the seasons? Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm here if you can. If you pick one, I
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Speaker 2: will take you to the restaurant of your choice. All right, man, here,
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Speaker 2: if you can pick one winner in the month of September,
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Speaker 2: teaser one teaser, because it's not easy. Six points. We're
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Speaker 2: Now it's six up or down, giver however you want
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Speaker 2: to do it, you get to pick. I need them
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Speaker 2: to be if at all possible, they don't have to
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Speaker 2: be Ole miss Orssissippi State. If they are, they'd be great,
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Speaker 2: or a couple of them. They need to be SEC
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Speaker 2: or we're gonna have to be you know, a big
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Speaker 2: game like Ohio State's in at Miami Michigan cheaters. I'm
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Speaker 2: just kidding, like, like anybody can say that with a
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Speaker 2: straight face from the SEC. You know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: There?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, okay, I mean I'll have Notre Dames.
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Speaker 2: Although what am I supposed to like? I can't hate
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame anymore. I'm so because I like Marcus Freeman.
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Speaker 1: You can like one guy and I like them.
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Speaker 2: I like Lebron, I hate the Lakers. I enjoyed disliking
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame. And that's even though I didn't even know
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Speaker 2: urban Meyer and Dan Mullen were on the staff together.
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Speaker 2: Before goaling the Bowling Green. They used to jog together
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Speaker 2: South Bend. What those combos were like? Can you imagine
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Speaker 2: how locked like Urban was a crazy man. But can
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Speaker 2: you imagine Urban before it even gets his shot? Man,
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Speaker 2: I think he was the wide receivers coach at Notre Dame. Yes,
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Speaker 2: and Dan was a GA and then they go to
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Speaker 2: Bowling Green and the rest is history. Anyway, wouldn't liked it.
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Speaker 2: Back to the teas. You got to pick one a week,
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Speaker 2: got it? That's all I heard in college. You would
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Speaker 2: walk wherever you went in college. Tease tease. No, I've
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Speaker 2: teased this. I've teased these two games. And that's fun.
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I'm not making it was fun.
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Speaker 1: To hear it.
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Speaker 2: I mean I love hearing about what people have action on,
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Speaker 2: no doubt.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I have friends that have action every weekend.
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Speaker 3: I'll see it.
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Speaker 2: Of course they can afford it, and they I want
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Speaker 2: you to bet within your budget. I don't care if
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Speaker 2: it's ten bucks or a thousand bucks a game. But
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Speaker 2: what's the most you've ever had riding on a game? Thousand,
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred and two thousand.
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Speaker 1: It was a little more than that, but it was
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Speaker 1: there in the Mayweather spree, so you had to bet
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Speaker 1: that to win one hundred bucks.
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Speaker 2: I was in Vegas one night for one of those
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Speaker 2: big fights. Jay Meadows two thousand. You'll probably be able
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Speaker 2: to find it two thousand and three, Mandalay Bay, Kentucky
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Speaker 2: Derby Weekend, two thousand and three in May, Kentucky Derby Weekend.
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Speaker 2: I just there was the first time I'd ever been
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Speaker 2: to a sports book, and I'm holy fielding Tony.
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Speaker 3: Was that it?
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Speaker 2: That's one of them? Okay, By the way, I've interviewed
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Speaker 2: both those guys. That's a big Oh no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: You remember I did that a few years ago. I
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Speaker 3: Yeah, who was the fourth one?
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Speaker 2: Damn? Oh, I don't know. Tony's a They're all bad.
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Speaker 2: I mean a Vander still looks like he could box.
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Speaker 2: He's still got the B cut. His body looked like
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Speaker 2: a gazillion I know he people stole from him and
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Speaker 2: he gave too much money away. But he was in
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Speaker 2: a suit, looked incredible, black suit, white shirt under it,
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Speaker 2: and he looked like five hundred million dollars. Hoya, wasn't it.
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Speaker 2: That's who it was?
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Speaker 3: It was day La Hoya.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, this teeth is too easy. I'm done already,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have three winners first week. Too easy for
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Speaker 2: the next four or five minutes. Here Lane was the
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator slash maybe wiss in Oxford, and now John
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Speaker 2: David Baker is the OC in Oxford. He had two
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Speaker 2: years experience at East Carolina, one good, one bad, kind
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Speaker 2: of like Leby at Oklahoma one good, one bad and
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Speaker 2: at Missisippi State Leby's had one bad one Oh okay, oh.
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Speaker 3: Oh, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 3: wait a minute. Well, let's not get over our skis.
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Speaker 3: John David Baker good and bad is not Jeff Leby
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Speaker 3: good and bad at Oklahoma. Jeff Lebby good and bad
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Speaker 3: at Oklahoma was awful and awesome. Okay, okay. John David
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Speaker 3: Baker was really good and still pretty good. Okay, Okay. Now,
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Speaker 3: his second year at East Carolina was a big drop off,
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Speaker 3: specifically in explosiveness. It was the least explosive offense in
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Speaker 3: the country last year. But we can take a look
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Speaker 3: at play calling traits, and that's what that's what we
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Speaker 3: can break down. We can break down run. Actually, I
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Speaker 3: can remember how I said, I got a bunch of
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Speaker 3: data at my fingertips. Now, yeah, I can do this
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Speaker 3: with anybody in the country since twenty ten. Okay, so
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Speaker 3: Kiffin and Baker in twenty twenty five, and we can
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Speaker 3: go any direction you want with this. But let's start
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Speaker 3: with overall tempo. Yeah, okay, Baker's a little bit quicker. Now.
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Speaker 3: Now this does not take into this takes into account
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Speaker 3: garbage time. So Ole miss was awful good last year, right, Okay,
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Speaker 3: they had a lot of garbage time. Lane could slow
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Speaker 3: it down in the fourth quarter whenever he wanted to.
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Speaker 3: East You one is good. They play They pretty played
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Speaker 3: pretty up tempo. So Baker last year was averaging a
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Speaker 3: snap every twenty one seconds. Interesting, okay, twenty one point two,
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Speaker 3: Kiffen twenty three point two. Okay, so a couple seconds faster, right, So, So,
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Speaker 3: so I expect compound that. I expect John David Baker
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Speaker 3: to be running a little bit faster offense, maybe not
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Speaker 3: as quick in year one, because there's got to be
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Speaker 3: a comfortable, comfortable level of sec play. Right, he's in
22:29
Speaker 3: East Carolina. You know it's it's tomato. It's not tomato tomato.
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Speaker 3: I mean it is two totally different leagues. There snaps
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Speaker 3: per game, though averages out about the same. Baker is
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Speaker 3: going to push about four and a half five more snaps,
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Speaker 3: so basically an extra drive is going to go on
22:47
Speaker 3: Pete Golden's defense. Okay, okay, uh so, so slightly faster,
22:51
Speaker 3: a few more snaps, but running the hurry up temp.
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Speaker 3: Let's let's and I'll jump into tempo distribution. Okay, so
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Speaker 3: we know John David is going a little bit quicker
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Speaker 3: than Kiffen, but what is the tempo distribution now? John
23:08
Speaker 3: David Baker runs a hurry up offense, snapping the ball
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Speaker 3: with fifteen seconds or more left on the clock. He
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Speaker 3: does that about thirty percent of the time last year
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Speaker 3: thirty point one percent, Kiffen twenty seven point two. So
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Speaker 3: Baker this kind of goal was locked and steps. He's
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Speaker 3: running faster, He's using the hurry up more. Okay. The
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Speaker 3: big difference is the fast fifteen to twenty seconds have
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Speaker 3: have eroded on the play clock. Kiffin snaps at about
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Speaker 3: fourteen percent of the time, Baker at twenty point three.
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Speaker 3: So you are going to see more than half of
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Speaker 3: the snaps with Baker versus about forty percent of the
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Speaker 3: snaps with Lane, they're snapping this with only twenty seconds
23:57
Speaker 3: or less eroded on the play clock. Okay, you got
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Speaker 3: you got more tempo there. And then as as it
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Speaker 3: goes down when you start talking about grinding it out,
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Speaker 3: this is where Kiffen kind of really slows it down.
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Speaker 3: When he is ending a game. Nearly thirty percent of
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Speaker 3: his snaps were there was a thirty seconds eroded from
24:20
Speaker 3: the play clock. Wow, over thirty percent. A lot of
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Speaker 3: people think Lane is really really up tempo. But nearly
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Speaker 3: one out of every three snaps he had last year,
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Speaker 3: the play clock had run down thirty seconds already. How
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Speaker 3: about that right where John David Baker is only at
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Speaker 3: twenty four percent. So you got a lot more tempo,
24:39
Speaker 3: you got a lot more pace. Kiffin has more of
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Speaker 3: a distribution of pace of play.
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Speaker 2: He's got an incredible feel. Yeah, right game, which is
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Speaker 2: really hard to quantify.
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Speaker 3: Yeah it is, but you look at Kiffin and you
24:57
Speaker 3: and you look at the running numbers we talked about
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Speaker 3: yesterday too. You know, the run to pass ratio in
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Speaker 3: third and five and more in close games. Kiffen led
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Speaker 3: the league in every aspect third and five to ten,
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Speaker 3: third and ten plus and so forth. So Lane not
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Speaker 3: only runs it a little bit slower than John David Baker,
25:15
Speaker 3: he also runs the ball.
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Speaker 2: A whole lot more. Hold that thought. Dave bar two
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Speaker 2: this discussion on Lane Kiffin and John David Baker. Maybe
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a deficiency between Lane, who's rock
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Speaker 2: star level, top five, top ten maybe play caller, and
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Speaker 2: John David Baker, who's not top ten or twenty or
25:44
Speaker 2: thirty or forty. So so we'll jump back into that.
25:48
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Speaker 2: the sec. Also, why no mention of Joe Judge, who's
26:25
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27:28
Speaker 2: No, No, I was like to come to the ship,
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: We've had that for a while. That's since the first
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Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl that Lane went to with Corral when they
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Speaker 2: bar two. If you would continue to and we may
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Speaker 2: stop you and debate it, but continue to compare and contrast.
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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin is a play caller in John David.
27:58
Speaker 3: Bright and this is last year, right, twenty twenty five. Okay, okay,
28:01
Speaker 3: So it was Baker at ECU and Kiff and it
28:04
Speaker 3: obviously at old miss explosive play rate. Let's talk about
28:09
Speaker 3: that because now there's little side note on explosive plays
28:13
Speaker 3: for everybody listening. There's two kinds of explosive plays. There's
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Speaker 3: explosive scoring and there's explosive non scoring. Okay, Explosive non
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Speaker 3: scoring plays effect road teams positively for wins and losses
28:28
Speaker 3: only about fifty five percent of the time. You know,
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Speaker 3: if you take all the explosive plays and jumble them up,
28:33
Speaker 3: they have a big impact on the game. But when
28:35
Speaker 3: you start separating out road and home and explosive scoring
28:38
Speaker 3: and non scoring, it starts making a bit of a difference.
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Speaker 3: But explosive play rate overall is a good measure of
28:47
Speaker 3: how because that really affects wins and losses. Okay, it's
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Speaker 3: right there with turnover margin. It's not as strong as
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Speaker 3: scoring efficiency, it's not as strong as momentum control. But
28:57
Speaker 3: explosive play rates really important. Next year, plays of fifteen
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Speaker 3: or more yards Kiffin thirteen point eight percent, Baker ten
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Speaker 3: point five. Okay, okay, so a little less explosive on
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Speaker 3: the per play explosive rate twenty yard plus plays Kiffin
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Speaker 3: eight point six, Baker six point two, so about the
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Speaker 3: same drop off. You know, Lane a little bit more explosive.
29:24
Speaker 3: Explosive run percentage Kiffin eight Baker four and a half.
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Speaker 3: That's a big gap right there. I mean, the difference
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Speaker 3: between the two is in that big but it's almost
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Speaker 3: double for Lane on the run side of it. Explosive
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Speaker 3: passes Kiffin at twenty one, Baker at eighteen not that
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Speaker 3: far apart. So explosive play calling on the pass side
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Speaker 3: of it is probably a little bit more. Even the
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Speaker 3: run side is where I think the differentiation is with
29:54
Speaker 3: Kiffen and his play calling. So overall in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 3: Old Miss just generated significantly more explosive plays for the game.
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Speaker 3: Nearly fourteen percent of their plays go for fifteen plus yards,
30:07
Speaker 3: where ECU is about ten and a half.
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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, I wonder if we should compare John David
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Speaker 2: Baker and Levy.
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Speaker 3: We might come back and do that. That takes a
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Speaker 3: minute for this for this one to run all thirty
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Speaker 3: or none. Yeah, we can do that. Now, here's the
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Speaker 3: biggest thing that the numbers pointed out in the behavior. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 3: this is the biggest one, and then I can wrap
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Speaker 3: it up. But this one was really interesting in terms
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Speaker 3: of pace of play. Quarter one, Kiffin much slower than Baker.
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Speaker 3: Quarter two about the same, but Baker still faster, more
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Speaker 3: up temple plays. Quarter three, Baker more up temple plays.
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Speaker 3: And then it flips. Okay, when Kiffen is trailing in
31:03
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, his up tempo is twice as fast
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Speaker 3: as John David Baker. He steps on the gas. And
31:11
Speaker 3: here's the other thing is when he is leading, he
31:15
Speaker 3: maintains tempo. John David Baker slows way down at any
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Speaker 3: point when he is when he's winning a game.
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Speaker 2: So I think the Kiffen plays to win, he goes
31:27
Speaker 2: We've talked about it over the years. There's not many
31:29
Speaker 2: coaches that do it. And I don't know how you
31:31
Speaker 2: would frame it up, but you got to go get
31:33
Speaker 2: the win. They're not going to in our league usually
31:37
Speaker 2: they're not going to give it to you.
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Speaker 3: No, you got to go take it you got. And
31:41
Speaker 3: these numbers are saying that John David Baker maybe plays
31:44
Speaker 3: a little bit not to lose when he's winning, right,
31:48
Speaker 3: and maybe doesn't have the true fastball to ratchet it up.
31:53
Speaker 3: He runs fast, but Lane has the ability. It's it's
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Speaker 3: almost like he can call multiple plays at once and
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Speaker 3: just ramp up the tempo when he wants to get
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Speaker 3: it going. So it's it's just imagine him just cruising
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Speaker 3: down the highway at seventy all game and then suddenly
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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, whether he's losing or winning, here
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Speaker 3: comes the tempo, Here comes the pressure, and either I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna stomp you out or I'm gonna go super fast.
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Speaker 3: I have to be able to catch up. Whereas Baker
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Speaker 3: doesn't really speed up. He runs the same tempo when
32:23
Speaker 3: he's losing as the first, second, and third quarter, and
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Speaker 3: when he's winning he slows way down trying not to
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Speaker 3: lose the football. Game, big difference in my opinion. There
32:33
Speaker 3: interesting all.
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Speaker 2: That was a good.
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Speaker 3: Lane.
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Speaker 2: Kiffin versus John David Bakers play caller.
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Speaker 3: Still it's just profiling him. Here's another one.
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Speaker 2: Here's one of the ways we're gonna tease. Who is
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Speaker 2: Dan Mullen's profile as a head coach. This is going
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Speaker 3: Last year Kiffin fourth and short. This is his run game. Okay,
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Speaker 3: because Kiffin's run game far better than John David Baker's
33:25
Speaker 3: last year, seventy nine percent of his fourth and short
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Speaker 3: kiffn converted Baker because he passes so much forty forty
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Speaker 3: two percent. Ain't gonna win it at the SEC. He
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Speaker 3: Here we we we can do that. We were just
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Speaker 3: talking about who do we compare you? We'll do love
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Speaker 3: you to this? How about this is? Why don't we
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Speaker 3: compare in contrast? Because look, every fan wants to be
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Speaker 3: the best, right, So why don't we compare Jeff to
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Speaker 3: Tim Beck at Vanderbilt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one, all right for our listeners.
35:05
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt just had two really good years. Well arguably they're
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Speaker 2: greatest year last year at ten and two. They're the
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Speaker 2: worst recruiter in the league and went ten and two
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Speaker 2: and they had Diego Pavias. So we'll tea bar two up.
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Speaker 2: Clark Lee saved his job by hiring Jerry Kill, former
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Speaker 2: head coach at New Mexico or New Mexico State.
35:28
Speaker 3: Jerry's been everywhere. Okay, Jerry's really underrated Minnesota, and he
35:31
Speaker 3: brought in Tim Beck with him, who's a good offensive
35:33
Speaker 3: coordinator and obviously Pavia, right, you know who is It's like,
35:36
Speaker 3: you know, Johnny Manziel and Jeremiah solely had a baby.
35:39
Speaker 3: But that's run him out there, all.
35:41
Speaker 2: Right, you know Levy versus Tim Beck, who's been the
35:43
Speaker 2: OC at Vanderbilt.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, so it'll it'll be going
35:47
Speaker 3: through that. But you had talked about Dan Mullen. Yeah,
35:52
Speaker 3: and I.
35:52
Speaker 2: Wanted to profile like who's his comp as a college
35:58
Speaker 2: football coach. Dan with stops as a head coach at
36:01
Speaker 2: Mississippi State, Florida and UNLB.
36:06
Speaker 3: And so for folks out there with coach effect is.
36:11
Speaker 3: It is something that I came up with what over
36:14
Speaker 3: deck fifteen years ago, and it was very simple. It
36:17
Speaker 3: was when you won a game against the team that
36:20
Speaker 3: you out recruited. There's no coach effect because the theory
36:25
Speaker 3: is talent wins most football games. And it's true if
36:28
Speaker 3: you take all of the high school and portal talent
36:31
Speaker 3: and take the four best classes of the last four years,
36:34
Speaker 3: whether it's the portal or high school, you know, and
36:39
Speaker 3: you take your four best classes, that's going to win
36:42
Speaker 3: you about seventy percent of the football games. The rest
36:45
Speaker 3: of it is coaching. But because of the access to
36:48
Speaker 3: data now I'm able to not only have coach effect,
36:53
Speaker 3: but I can have war, I can have wins above replacement.
36:57
Speaker 3: How good has that guy been over time? And so
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Speaker 3: it allows me to be able to take a look
37:02
Speaker 3: at somebody like Dan Mullen at Mississippi State, at Florida
37:05
Speaker 3: at UNLV individually and as a full career, right, what's
37:13
Speaker 3: his full career for coach effect and so forth? And
37:16
Speaker 3: so we were doing this yesterday and I asked the system,
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Speaker 3: who is Dan Mullen's closest twin Basically, yeah, what was
37:27
Speaker 3: the complement of it? Dan Mullins. So for his entire career,
37:32
Speaker 3: he is almost plus one full game coach effect per
37:35
Speaker 3: year per year, meaning for his entire career, he has
37:39
Speaker 3: almost averaged one extra win above talent at all of
37:43
Speaker 3: his stops.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's like a fourteen year head coaching career, go ahead.
37:48
Speaker 3: It's an amazing number for him. His standard deviation his
37:51
Speaker 3: best year to worst year is one point five to four,
37:54
Speaker 3: so his top year and his bottom year aren't that
37:58
Speaker 3: far apart. And his above replacement is at forty three
38:02
Speaker 3: point one. Now, Saban has the greatest war since twenty ten,
38:06
Speaker 3: He's at a seventy seven, Davo's like at a sixty nine,
38:09
Speaker 3: and Dabbo at this pace is never even going to
38:12
Speaker 3: come close to breaking seventy.
38:15
Speaker 2: So yeah, when's above replacement for our listeners?
38:17
Speaker 3: Is war? Go ahead? Or two? And so you look
38:20
Speaker 3: at Dan and you look at his whole career and
38:23
Speaker 3: then the number one guy that popped up one last
38:28
Speaker 3: year as a head coach coach effect point seventy four
38:32
Speaker 3: versus point seven to one. It's almost the same coach
38:34
Speaker 3: effect for their career their war. So both of these
38:38
Speaker 3: guys have been doing it a long time. At a
38:39
Speaker 3: really good level. One as a fifty ones at a
38:42
Speaker 3: forty three standard deviation, one's at one point sixty five.
38:47
Speaker 3: One is at a one point five to four. And
38:49
Speaker 3: the guy closest to Dan Mullen with those numbers it
38:54
Speaker 3: is James Franklin.
38:55
Speaker 2: James Franklin is Dan Mullin's twin as a head coach
39:02
Speaker 2: with a lot of what Franklin did to give you
39:07
Speaker 2: that number was the fact that he was so amazing
39:10
Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt.
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Speaker 3: Right, it's more back weighted, Okay, right, did Dan? Dan?
39:14
Speaker 3: I would say, it's kind of he's more level. Yeah,
39:17
Speaker 3: did did well Dan? If you if you look at
39:19
Speaker 3: his career with Mississippi State, it was it was a
39:21
Speaker 3: slow curve up right, And I think a lot of
39:24
Speaker 3: people underappreciate what he did at Florida. You know it did.
39:27
Speaker 3: It fell off a cliff at the end. But and
39:30
Speaker 3: because of that recency bias, I think everybody forgets the
39:32
Speaker 3: three and a half years before it fell off a cliff.
39:34
Speaker 2: He was fantastic.
39:36
Speaker 3: Wow, And and he took over UNLV with nobody. Last
39:39
Speaker 3: year Barry Odom left to go be terrible at Purdue
39:43
Speaker 3: and took everybody with him. And Dan only posted a
39:46
Speaker 3: ten to two just absolutely wicked good. I mean, wow,
39:51
Speaker 3: you know, and so but the numbers back that up.
39:54
Speaker 3: The numbers say a A P four to G six
39:57
Speaker 3: and the move down there's hardly any lost in ability there.
40:01
Speaker 3: There's no like one year waiting period where Lane going
40:04
Speaker 3: to LSU, where some are all going from from Tulane
40:08
Speaker 3: to Florida. There there's going to be a step back
40:12
Speaker 3: and now you know, a one to one and a
40:14
Speaker 3: half game step back below expectations. Whereas that dropped down.
40:18
Speaker 3: The big guys can handle it a whole lot better.
40:20
Speaker 3: So James Franklin was the number one comparison though.
40:23
Speaker 2: All right, so Mullin's twin and comp is is James Franklin.
40:28
Speaker 2: And it's heavily weighted for Franklin because of winning games.
40:32
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have won at Vanderbilt.
40:34
Speaker 3: Yes, right, yeah, but you know, even before God he
40:37
Speaker 3: was good. He was, he was, And I think we
40:39
Speaker 3: would agree if if what he did at Vanderbilt was
40:41
Speaker 3: at Penn State, we would have all said, Penn State
40:43
Speaker 3: is going to be in a national title game at
40:45
Speaker 3: some point, right right, I mean really, and he just
40:48
Speaker 3: couldn't find that magic overall Avander, but he was still
40:52
Speaker 3: really good.
40:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was knocking down basically ten and two's yeah
40:57
Speaker 2: every year.
40:57
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, ten and two, eleven and one. He had
40:59
Speaker 3: him in the play. I mean it was it was
41:01
Speaker 3: going good until it didn't right and then and then
41:04
Speaker 3: it just.
41:04
Speaker 2: Fell off a clif kind of a little dabbo in
41:07
Speaker 2: that maybe wasn't quite willing to listen or change or.
41:13
Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, I think a lot of
41:15
Speaker 3: it when you start getting to that elite level, I
41:19
Speaker 3: do believe, so you have to just catch certain breaks, right,
41:23
Speaker 3: I mean, things just have to come together. It's it's like, look,
41:26
Speaker 3: I think one of the great examples is LSU. I
41:29
Speaker 3: will go to my grave not being able to quantify
41:34
Speaker 3: how Ed Odron did what he did at ole Miss
41:39
Speaker 3: and turned around and has a national championship. Bring it
41:44
Speaker 3: the head coach at LSU, I don't get it. It's
41:48
Speaker 3: like going Dave three plus six is purple, what you know?
41:55
Speaker 3: And so I mean again, think about all the conflicts
41:58
Speaker 3: of everything coming through Joe Brady, Burrow Randa to UH.
42:05
Speaker 2: Two NFL first round wide receivers. It could be in
42:08
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame fighting in a bottle.
42:09
Speaker 3: So with James, do you look at it, he just
42:12
Speaker 3: couldn't get I don't think he could get He couldn't
42:14
Speaker 3: get the quarterback right right. I mean, he could never
42:17
Speaker 3: get the quarterback right and he couldn't get that oc
42:19
Speaker 3: DC right. And I think he got frustrated because you
42:22
Speaker 3: saw him fire a lot of ocs the last few years,
42:25
Speaker 3: and so I think there was a frustration level there
42:29
Speaker 3: for for him. But h and I think this year
42:32
Speaker 3: he's going to get the OC wrong. But that's between
42:36
Speaker 3: you know my opinion, and he's going to be Franklin.
42:39
Speaker 3: Franklins next man up, Okay, a guy who was terrible
42:43
Speaker 3: at the FCS who just kind of stuck around long enough.
42:46
Speaker 3: So we'll see if that works.
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