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S6 257. Final - Rod and Pete - Rethinking Eternal Security, part 7 · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  But what me and Peter really trying to do here is, is bring
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  the understanding in the questioning form.
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  We want to get you guys to think about this because I know what
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  it feels like for somebody to not get me to critical thing, to
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  just sit down, shut up, be a good little boy and nod your
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  head when I speak that that's been enough.
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  We've had enough of that. It's really time for us to open
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  the can of worms of have we wrestled with this, dealt with
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  it and considered in the deep inner part of us.
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  And that's exactly what we're doing right here.
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  We're getting to a scriptural dominance, right?
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  Like the scripture has the final say.
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  It's unarguable. We just need to make sure that
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  we're in agreement with what's written.
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  Yeah, and I, I, I feel too a, a, a caveat in my spirit.
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  I just want to put out there because for those of you who had
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  a more you're a wretched Sinner type of background, or you have
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  that running script in your head that condemns you all the time.
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  Know that the fact that you are guilty over sin and it grieves
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  you and you wonder about your salvation is probably pretty
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  good evidence that you are saved and that you do care about the
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  things of God. So receive that grace and that
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  assurance of of your salvation because you wouldn't have those
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  things to even care about if that wasn't the case for the
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  other side. Who?
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  I literally saw this on XA few weeks ago.
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  I'm trying to remember what it was verbatim, but it was a a
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  meme of a guy like kicking back in his chair with, you know, his
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  hands folded behind his head kind of relaxing.
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  And the guy said me not worrying about repenting or this or that,
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  it basically there's an idea on, I guess it's on the free grace
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  crowd, Rod. I think that's what it is, where
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  it's kind of like, hey, I'm saved.
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  I believe in God. I said the prayer and now I can
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  kind of coast through life. That's a dangerous place to be.
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  I'm not saying you aren't saved, but man, if you don't have
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  fruit, you know, maybe that's not a healthy tree.
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  If you're not abiding with him, I don't know.
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  It's a dangerous place to be, let's just put it that way.
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  I'm not going to say you're not saved.
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  If it happened once when you were 15 and that's the only like
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  credible story that you have, this is for you to deeply
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  consider because being saved to be saved an incorrect like
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  there's a lot of etymological it's continuing you're going to
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  do in the future. Oh, absolutely.
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  Right. Salvation is not a one time
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  thing. It's it's keeping the plug in.
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  And I think, I think what happens is like a little
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  sapling. And I think we use this analogy
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  in a previous mini on this topic, like a little sapling
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  that you just got from Home Depot and you stuck in the
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  ground and it get hit, gets hit the next day with a huge storm
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  and snaps that that one couldn't handle the storm of life, right?
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  That that one wasn't ready for it.
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  But you take the 10 year old oak, same storm he does just
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  fine. And I think the longer we are a
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  believer, the more we press into Christ, the more we mature.
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  He doesn't want us to walk around like little saplings.
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  He wants us to be like oaks where we are, you know, 10 feet
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  tall and bulletproof. We're we're not going to lay
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  down our faith for anyone because as Peter said, whom else
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  should we go? You have the words of eternal
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  life. You know that.
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  That was the decision that I made in my teens when I heard
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  Ray Comfort give that analogy about the the parachutes on an
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  airplane. You don't put it on to make your
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  flight better. You put it on in case you're
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  about to jump. Well, guess what, 10 out of 10
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  people die. We're going to have to jump into
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  eternity. The only thing that's going to
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  save us is Christ. Let's look at one last famous
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  eternal security proof text, which is what about that verse
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  where it says we are sealed by the Holy Spirit?
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  That's a big one. What's interesting about that, a
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  lot of people take that to mean, and I did too, that when it says
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  sealed, does that mean sealed as in that seal can't be broken?
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  Does that mean that seal is indestructible?
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  If we're sealed by the Holy Spirit, nothing can break it.
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  But what is actually the etymology of sealed rod?
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  Do you remember we were talking about that earlier, the
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  etymology of sealed? It has to do with a mark,
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  doesn't it? Yeah.
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  I mean, it's depicted at times as using like a signet ring and
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  hot wax to seal a very specific seal from a king that would be
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  sent out to a Courier and sent to a neighboring Kingdom, for
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  example, right? The seal that God gives is
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  always within the boundaries of what is written in the word.
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  It always looks the way that He has depicted it to us.
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  Being sealed by Him is a very specific thing, and it's very
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  important that we understand that as well.
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  It's a great speaking piece. Yeah.
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  And in that verse it says that we have the Holy Spirit.
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  That's our seal, the guarantee of our eternal life.
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  Again, that's a guarantee and a mark of a believer.
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  Exactly. But I'm leaving open the
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  possibility in the 20 billion plus people that have lived in
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  the last whatever 6000 years of human history that we know of
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  recorded history, not to get into old or young Earth or pre
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  Adamic or any of that other interesting stuff, Rod.
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  Or toroidal earth. OK, but recorded history, you
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  know, something like 20 billion people, if one person was a
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  believer and walked away from it, then once they've always
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  saved is false. And that's the danger.
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  You know, we want to be true to God's word.
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  And I think what we're trying to get at here is eternal security
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  is biblical, but it's for the believer.
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  If you stay a believer. And let's look, I'm not saying
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  we get credit as in like we did it all and God's not helping us.
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  He's helping us. He's helping us.
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  If we start to wander away, he's going to chase us.
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  But but don't ignore that chasing for too long because he
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  might give up and let us run off on our own and say, well, you
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  kind of made-up your mind. You know, I, I feel like, Rod,
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  we have this life to decide, right?
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  I know there's some debate about that in some circles,
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  Universalists and purgatory and all these other things.
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  I think we have this one life to decide.
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  And whose team are we going to play for?
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  Are we going to be loyal? Let's look at abiding.
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  Rod. Do you have that pulled up in
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  John 15? This is John 15-6.
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  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch and is
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  withered, and the men gather them and they cast them into the
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  fire and they are burned. I have the concordance opened
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  and John 15-6. When I click on abide, which is
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  G3306, men know is the transliteration or men O is the
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  pronunciation. The definition is a primary verb
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  to stay in a given place, a relation or an expectancy, to
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  continue, to dwell, to endure, to be present, to remain, stand
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  or tarry. All of those are talking about
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  the fact that there's things that can happen to cause you not
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  to tarry or not to dwell or not to stay.
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  So just even the construction here in the Greek is showing us
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  that it's just like where the Bible says continue to do good,
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  right? And and if you don't faint, if
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  you can make it, you're going to bear some fruit, right?
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  I mean, these are common themes even with another, you know,
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  scriptural presentations throughout the word and abide
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  clearly says a man abide not in me.
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  You're withered and you're going to the fire.
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  But if you abide, if you tarry, if you stay consistency, A
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  righteous man falleth 7 times, but he get back up 7 in
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  completion. Not like a cat has 9 lives, but
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  it means complete. He's known every sin you did
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  commit 10 years ago that you forgot about.
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  And because you haven't done it recently, you think all of a
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  sudden you're justified to continue in your high Holy
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  roller. No, He knows it all.
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  It's always been about him. And so to abide in him, I
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  believe, is US choosing to tarry us, saying, Lord, I'm in this,
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  you loved me first. You see this in me and I'm here
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  to press it out with you. And then he's the strength, He's
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  the rescue, He's the sanctification, he's the one who
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  makes all of your wrongs right. But there's a deep inner man
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  part of each one of us and woman for the women listeners.
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  But according to the Hebrew, man covers all of us.
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  So I digress. There's a deep inner part of us
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  that unfortunately can come into rebellion.
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  Or fortunately, we would agree with the life giving words and
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  we would continue to cling and to tarry with him who is truth.
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  Yeah, it makes me think of Abraham and David and Solomon.
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  Abraham had some egregious sins. He had some big falls.
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  But the New Testament affirms his faith was credited as
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  righteousness. He was faithful when it counted
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  and he didn't renounce God. He finished the race.
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  Same with David. Huge, huge Sinner.
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  I mean, you can't get much worse than stealing your neighbor's
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  wife. And sending him to be killed.
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  Sending him to be killed, murder and adultery, but being called a
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  man after God's heart. He remained faithful to God
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  despite those big, big bumps in the road.
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  Now, Solomon, on the other hand, the jury's a little bit out on
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  that one, that one rod. I feel like there's plenty of
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  Scripture that showed his earlier faith in life, his honor
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  of God, but he let quite a bit of compromise come in.
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  And maybe he did not end with the faith in the one true God.
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  It kind of seems like he didn't. It's how we end salvation is
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  we're saved, we're being saved and we will be saved.
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  And I think as long as we have free will in this life, as long
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  as our body, soul and spirit are not yet fully redeemed, as long
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  as we have the spirit of adoption, Roman says.
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  But not the adoption yet, which is the redemption of our body
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  and soul and spirit. I think until that point, I
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  think we still have to wrestle like Paul did with this wretched
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  body of death, this dual nature. We still have to wrestle with
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  it. We have to subdue it as best we
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  can. If we fail in subduing it, that
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  doesn't make us kicked out of the Kingdom.
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  But if we stop caring, if we stop caring whether we subdue
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  that flesh, if we stop caring what what God thinks about what
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  we do, well, we might just need to test ourselves to see if our
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  in the faith and find out that we don't have any faith left
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  because we don't care. We're doing our own thing.
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  I'm thinking of the band Rush. If you choose not to decide, you
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  still have made a choice. So whether you draw a line in
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  the sand because life didn't work out the way you wanted.
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  And you say, you know what, God, I grew up going to church.
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  I'm done with it. Life isn't turning out how I
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  want. I'm done with you.
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  I believed in you for a while and now I'm done.
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  Maybe you did believe you had the promises of eternal
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  security, but you turned from it.
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  Those promises are not for you unless you come back.
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  You know the prodigal son Rod we referenced in a previous
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  episode? He had to come back.
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  He couldn't stay out there with the pigs and enjoy life with the
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  Father as a son. The Father was ready any moment,
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  at a moment's notice. He was looking for him.
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  He saw him far off approaching the house, but he had to come
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  back. So if we abide, we keep the plug
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  in, and that eternal life is ours, conditional upon our
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  faith. And God has given us all a
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  measure of faith as a general gift and you keep that plug in
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  and that's the means of of appropriating God's grace.
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  I'll wrap up with this and, and give it to Rod for the last
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  words. It's my belief that the Bible
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  says eternal security is real, but it is conditional.
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  It's conditional upon our faith. That's why once saved, always
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  saved is not the same as eternal security.
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  Once saved, always saved. Assumes unconditional salvation.
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  Once a professional faith is made, you're in.
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  Can't lose it, even if you want to reject it.
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  Even if you do reject it, you're still in.
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  Doesn't make sense. Eternal security, on the other
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  hand, is conditional. Not on God, because he is
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  absolutely faithful to save. That part of eternal security is
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  eternally secure, but the condition is on our maintaining
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  faith, which is of course being connected and abiding with God
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  as he assists us with that. But we still have a part to
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  play. It's funny, as time goes on and
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  the more I learn, it's like the more I don't know.
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  But what I do know becomes highlighted and powerful and all
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  the other noise and sounds and ideas and pressures of the world
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  start to fade away. And as I sit here with Pete, you
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  know, many mini series in to bring you guys these topics to
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  challenge the narrative of the denominations and all of the
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  boxed ideas and limitations that many who went before us have put
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  a burden on you guys not to think about this and to enter
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  into a sacred place. I think about the goodness of
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  God and I think to myself through his grace and the
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  recognition of my failure and the fear at times and comfort at
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  times, I know he's good. I know He's good.
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  He's not safe, but he certainly is good.
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  And Pete, it's been an honor. These topics, not only are they
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  timely for me and my growth and development, inching along, as I
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  like to say in my private quarters.
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  So making myself a little vulnerable there on air, inching
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  along in my faith. At times, it's been very
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  beneficial. It's opened my eyes and there's
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  certain things that I had to rethink.
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  At the end of it all, nothing changes for me.
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  I know exactly who I am in Him. I know who I am as a man.
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  That's not always pretty, but I'll tell you what, if you look
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  from the right angle and you start to see a little bit of Him
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  in there, and that piece of Him starts to grow in me as a
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  believer. I want the same for everybody
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  out there. If you have an ear to hear, take
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  this all before the Lord, inquire of him in private. close
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  your door after this recording, enter into the secret chamber
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  and you will be known. Pete, it's been an honor.
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  Seriously. The we have other minis that
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  we're going to be developing and other concepts and ideas.
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  This is not the end of the minis.
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  It's just a a soft landing on this topic, I guess you could
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  say for the foreseeable future. I'll leave with this last verse
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  that came to me as you were speaking.
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  Moses on the mountain, when the presence of God passed by, he
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  was told to stand on a rock, and while God's glory passed by, he
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  would place Moses in a cleft of the rock and cover him with his
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  hand until he had passed by, a divine act of protection.
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  So for those of you who know Jesus, you love him.
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  You're following him imperfectly, as we all do, but
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  pressing on. Be assured of your salvation.
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  Be assured because you know him. God bless you guys.
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  Thanks for listening and until the next minute we'll see you.
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  Bye bye. I came from the sun, but one of
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  you straight from the heavens. You really owe me.
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  All in my life I was beating up. All in my life I didn't handle.
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  All in my life I was stuck in on track.
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  All in my life I didn't handle rap.
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  I didn't know why my life was away.
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  I didn't know why my life was away.
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  I didn't know why I couldn't get up.
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  I was so stuck. And the monkey was stuck till I
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  found out. And I broke everything till I
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  found out. And they took everything until I
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  was hurting my heart. It was strained.
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  Yeah, I was broken. I had all this pain.
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  Held on the hope. It got harder than this hope.
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  Then I went to the side of this mode.
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  I had no truth but to look to my guy.
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  He gave me stomach up in my eye. He gave me earrings.
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  And he told me a blessed. He told me he just believe in
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  this time. I told him I can't change all of
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  my ways. He said I got you to look at
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  this. I looked at him and he showed me
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  his ways. They just told me how I am this
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  time. They just told me I'm not in
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  this world. He told me I come from the
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  heavens above. I'm a new creature.
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  I come from the sun, from the one and only, straight from the
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  heavens. You really owe me.
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  I came from the sun. I was really with him.
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  And heavenly places I'm sealing. Y'all can't even go that way.
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  Y'all don't even know that way. Y'all want to play like Patty
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  Kay but this ain't no game. But it's right you wank this so
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  fake when you walk under me and I know you're a snake.
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  You think you can beat me but you got no power you want in a
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  way I take out that chopper I'll put on your top and I'll prank
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  on your face. I see you laughing.
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  You think that you got me but you got no way.
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  The evil you say for my life is OK because it's made for my
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  good. My God that created he created
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  you so you really is cooked. I said all these things 'cause I
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  know what is true and you know you is booked.
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  But like I did case we're done with these games.
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  You can never win. I know the things that's going
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  to happen to you when you die. You didn't say living your life
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  'cause you know you can never go and get saved.
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  You know his great thing, His mercy was too from you.
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  When you're my son at the plot, thought you could take on my
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  God's spot. Now you can die hot.
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  You was really tweaking. I come from the sun, from the
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  one and only, straight from the heavens.
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  You really owe me. I came from the sun.
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  I was really with them. The heavenly places on the
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  ceiling. Y'all can't even go that way.
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  Y'all don't even know that way. Y'all want to play like Patty
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  Cay, but this ain't no game. But it's that way.