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New Conversations, Renewed Hope: Welcome to Season 2 · Trauma Meets Recovery Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about years, maybe possibly even decades, where these experiences have settled in.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you have an incident that happens when you're three, four, five years old, or even earlier, that colors your viewpoint of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our magical thinking tells us if we just close our eyes and pretend it's not there, we don't have to deal with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it comes back up in different ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we live in a Western society that says, okay, you go to the doctor, you get your ICD diagnosis, you get treatment, and you're all better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's not how the nervous system works.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's not how trauma works.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it's a continual healing journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna push away some of our pain, but we want to go into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're on a journey, and it's gonna continue for the rest of your life, and healing is possible.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: The big narrative of our lives are fully multiple stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Trauma Meets Recovery Podcast, where we share stories of resilience, recovery, and hope.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Join us as we sit down with survivors, authors, and leading experts to discuss their experiences and insights, exploring the path towards healing and the power of the human spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now here's your host, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mark McNear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, I'm Joe Schweigart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm excited to kick off the second season of the Trauma Meets Recovery Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am your host today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to meet with Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mark McNear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really, the brains behind the podcast.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's been a great first season, and just really we wanted to connect today and just join a conversation together just to go over what we've seen, what what we want to look ahead to, the exciting things that are coming.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just really recap and review the the first season of the podcast.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Mark, how are you today?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing well, Joe.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: How are you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's getting a little cooler here in New Jersey, but um, I don't know, I kind of like it.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Mark, season one in the books.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: How are you feeling about things?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we were we were talking about this, Joe, and and and I was saying to you, like things have gone really well with it.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: We have gotten so much positive feedback from it.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was six months ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: I looked it up.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was six months ago that we were sitting here.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was sitting here and you were sitting there, and we were talking about the first episode, and you know, from there where it was gonna go.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I am really pleased.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited with how many people have reached out to us and have given us feedback of how much they're enjoying it.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know that um the audience is growing and it shows a need for really good trauma care.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I've what I've really stood out to me is just the the variety the variety of voices, the variety of different uh podcasts that we've had, you know, you different experts, different people with their own experiences, and just to hear from the number of different voices and how you can kind of put that all together to really hopefully find an audience that can not not everything's gonna sit with every single person, but the variety of voices does lean into that.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: There are there are resources out there for everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and that idea that we've had people on that are experts, like worldwide experts, and then we've had individuals that have been on that are in recovery and and are talking about and sometimes have written books.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so that has been really exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes we've had just authors on that talk about their most recent books.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's been really exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to branch out and have as many different flavors, if you will, of trauma work as possible.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mark, what has stood out for you as you've kicked this off, as we started to dive into some of the recordings?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: What has stood out as far as just some, I don't know, maybe challenges that you faced or just even surprises that you've seen from doing this?
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: So challenges.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll put one up right away, right up front, that I'm working on now, and that is speaking louder.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that I have a therapy voice, and so the therapy voice doesn't always translate to podcasting.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so we're working on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: A couple of people have given us feedback, and I really appreciate all feedback to the podcast.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's something we're working on.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, and you can, you know, write to me if if you hear my voice or Joe's voice, dip down, you know, and and we're working on it.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're working on the sound.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other thing is how gracious guests have been.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow and you know that too, and some of the work that you've done, just being able to have the privilege to be able to interview individuals that have had such harm in their lives that are still showing up and talking about their stories, sharing their stories in the written, written word, or talking about it as far as their expertise.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I just love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love the fact that so many people have stepped forward wanting to be on the podcast.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that you and I have talked about that because you have some more interviews this season, and I'm really, really excited about some of the experts that you're having on and the and the diversified topics.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think it's a testament to just the work put in, you know, and and that it's growing.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: And like you say, that there's a real momentum behind that to just, I don't know, people are understanding this in a way that we're not gonna push away some of our pain, but we want to go into it.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: And and this is is it's just even just one avenue to do that.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, podcasts aren't for everyone, but for those who really dive into it, it can be such a huge resource because there is so much information just there at your fingertips.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and with that, you you start to feel that momentum, and it's hey, here we go.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Jump on, jump on board, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that idea, Joe, we've talked about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: That, you know, maybe somebody will say, like the pot last podcast didn't really resonate with me, but this new one really was helpful.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I was able to put a couple of more pieces together, and I think that's you know, whether you talk about parts, whether you talk about layers, whether you talk about pieces, I think that's what true recovery is with trauma, is being able to make some kind of understanding or cohesive narrative out of your story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I I know for me, when I first started, I had no idea of what the story was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I knew that the story was difficult, but I didn't have like a cohesive narrative, and I still don't have a full one, but each time that I step into healing in different ways, it helps me to be able to appreciate where I am today and helps me to understand a lot of the dysfunctional behavior that I've had and and to to actually appreciate it as being something that helped keep me alive in the midst of the chaos.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a unique and different way to look at it.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, that that piece of us that want to push away pain, uncomfort, or just to not even really consciously connect the dots on that.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, Joey, you being a licensed professional counselor, you know, that idea that you sit with people and you see people want to push away the pain, and also yourself and myself that we want to do that.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: But when we can have people that come alongside of us and gently venture into it with us, we can stay with that pain much more effectively than doing it alone.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that you're absolutely right that it is a different way of looking at it because in our humanity, we want to run away, you know, understandably, like when our nervous system is on fire or we feel like we have no skin on, we feel like we want to do nothing in relation to getting close to the pain.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: But as we get into it, our window of tolerance grows and we can tolerate pain better or more effectively.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that co-regulate co-regulating factor, you know, in our therapy offices, we are doing that, we are living that out in our relationships to be able to have someone to sit with.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong here, even through the podcast, as we bring some of these things up and I'm listening, you know, it's we live in this world that this is the technology that allows us to hear people's stories that we would never hear before, to access that, and not just the not just the written page to to read someone's story, but to actually see that person, to see their facial expressions and how that how that comes out.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: We we're probably gonna stuff will probably be brought up in someone else's story, and it and with that, it's try that out, let's feel that, and with that, to understand then how does it affect us?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I yeah, I think Joe, you're absolutely or Joe, you're absolutely right.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that idea that when we're listening to a podcast or or when we're talking about things with someone, things come up, and it makes us in in the words of Peter Levine, it makes us richer if we can hold on to it and move toward it, because it doesn't go away.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I think our magical thinking tells us if we just close our eyes and pretend it's not there, we don't have to deal with it, but it comes back up in different ways, in other maladaptive ways, and we still have to deal with it.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: And and so, again, though, when we can do it with another person, that's where the magic is.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: And and and you talk about co-regulation in your office as a as a licensed therapist.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: What does that look like if somebody comes in, let's say, and they're like way up here?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you handle that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, really, it's just kind of just being with that and being present to really watch my own reactions and also like in some ways to allow space for that, that it makes sense, and and there is the riding of that process out, you know.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: And and if I can show that I'm here no matter what, I'm gonna be here and supportive, I think that means something for people to actually then say, Look, I can feel this, and look, I'm gonna get through this because I'm with someone else and I'm not gonna stay stuck here.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's at times, sometimes it's just a simple phrase of that makes sense.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where I'm not then feeling a sense of I feel these things and I need to feel bad that I feel these things because now it's affecting a person another way, in in a in a maybe a negative sense, but I can actually now say, Wow, this is okay.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm giving language to that.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think that the I think you're a hundred percent right.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: That idea that emotions dissipate if we sit with them, if we push them away, if we try to be like, no, I'm not dealing with this, they push back and sometimes they push back greater.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas when we can sit with them with somebody else who's regulated, they calm down.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: And is there a sense where, Mark, we could in a way do that for ourselves?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: If that's not always available for us to almost be that other force for ourselves to say, this is okay to understand with a sense of curiosity and compassion.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like even when you were reframing earlier that how we look at the things that we've gone through, well, they're sacred, they're actually very valuable for us.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: That can even switch how we view our own experiences.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if we look at it, you know, we don't get to pick our story, but but we can pick what we do with our story.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and so if we can go into our story, and you know what, you don't have to like your story.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't particularly like my story, you know, but if you can go into it and say to yourself, you know what, some of the things that came out of that were really, really kind of maladaptive or very maladaptive, or addictions, or but you know what, I can hold those with value because they kept me alive.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, and that they might not be the healthiest.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and I'm not advocating that we hold on to addictive behaviors or other behaviors that are not healthy, but but to be able to move in with compassion, when we move in with compassion, the nervous system relaxes.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: When we move in with judgment, the nervous system gets uptight.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes those responses can be so automatic.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know myself where I'm looking at my own responses in a way, and it's just like, oh, you hear the it may not even be an actual thought with it, but just like a sensation of and it's like you see how that can just get to us, and then over time, continually, that really can affect people.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's affected me.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think that I I had it.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna give the name of the person because I don't want to give away, but but I will give a phrase that he used, and I loved it.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was asking him because he he's from Harvard, and he was talking, Joe, about the idea of self-abandonment.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I said to him, Well, it seems to me something like along the lines of it seems like when we have been abandoned by others, we learn to abandon ourselves.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Exactly, that's how it works.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so it's kind of like coming home to yourself and not in a self-centered way, not in a narcissistic way, but in a healthy, balanced way of being able to, and I'm gonna use Dr.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Allison Cook, her her words with this, who was on last last season.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: She talked about if you till the soil of your of your soul or till the soil of your being, you know, then and take care of yourself, then you're gonna be able to love others well because you're able to love yourself well.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: It can be so foreign to look out for ourselves.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Am I being selfish?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, should I be doing this?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: I sh I sometimes that's the response, I should not be.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you're absolutely right.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: What can I give if if I'm showing up in this way?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's not so helpful for myself and others.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: What can I give to them?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Mark, um, any takeaways, any thoughts about just you know, in light of some of the conversations we had, in light of some of the things we're seeing around us, uh, whether that be social media, just in the general culture right now, as far as treating trauma, recovery from trauma?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think that what I would say is, and you and I, Joe, have talked about this, that idea that we as human beings struggle.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And to be human is to struggle.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things that I'm really pushing forward, and I know you are too, is that idea that healing isn't one and done, you know.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that so many times with social media, you know, I see these things and kind of cringe when it says, you know, three steps to resolve your trauma.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, are you kidding?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if it were only that easy, we could have done one, we could have done one podcast and quit there, but it's much more complex than that.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so we live in a Western society that says, okay, you go to the doctor, you get your ICD diagnosis, you get treatment, and you're all better.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not how the nervous system works, that's not how trauma works, and so it's a continual healing journey.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's learning to manage it, and sometimes it looks more like healing.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's why I'm so excited for season two, because it's gonna be along that same lines, Joe, of you know, we are where we are and we can move forward without a destination of, okay, I'm gonna arrive in three months.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's not it, it's just not accurate, it's not appropriate to do for people because they get to the end of that three months and they're like, I thought I was supposed, I thought I was supposed to be better.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I was kidding with you, that idea, you know, I don't know any way of you know getting rid of the nervous system.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: And as long as you have a nervous system that's been traumatized, you're gonna have triggers, you're gonna have reactions, and sometimes they're gonna be really big reactions, and sometimes it's gonna cause you to be hyper-aroused and sometimes hypo-aroused, and just not in that sweet spot in the middle.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, my goal with the podcast, and I know it's yours too, that we put out material that's not misleading that says, yeah, you're on a journey and it's gonna continue for the rest of your life, and healing is possible.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: And and with that, I mean, you know, I'm even thinking of like, I got bit by my dog as a kid.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at the scar right now, you know what I mean?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, like, or I'll like be walking a certain way from an injury from years ago, and it's like these things still show up.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, okay, I've healed.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I'm broken, not that I'm like wounded in some way, but those things can show up.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about years, maybe possibly even decades, where these experiences have settled in and caused some then reactions that then have affected us down the road.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so I say to clients all the time where it's just like, you know, it's been a few weeks, I don't know if I'm I'm getting anything out of this.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, that makes sense.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many layers to us, and even in some of the work, you know, uh, I remember doing um some brain spotting, some EMDR.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: We we went into maybe a portion of my life, a picture, literally a picture that that we sat and processed with.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: And and and in that time, I remember thinking, like, okay, yeah, that's one thing.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I I you know felt the sense of in in ways relief, healing in that.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that was one snapshot.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And with that, it's there's so many, there's so many stories.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Our the big narrative of our lives are filled with multiple stories that make it.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: And and and if you think about this, if you have an incident that happens when you're three, four, five years old, or even earlier, that colors your viewpoint of things.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so you proceed on with that incident and with that coloring or that influence.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so you enter into the next scenario, the next incident that might be really painful or traumatic with that incident already there.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like a bag that you're carrying of these wounds.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and so you're absolutely right.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: We care for them, you know, sometimes one at a time.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes when we care for one, there's a real relief that we notice because it it kind of shifts the nervous system.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it could be maybe something that shows up for ourselves, sometimes it's certain kinds of relationships.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: It could be a friendship, it could be, you know, uh a relationship with a spouse.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, okay, that I may make some some progress here, but then it's where is it showing up otherwise?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're so complex.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: And these with the with the complexity in that, it's just we don't even know ourselves fully.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm saying that I'm including myself in that, where it's just, you know, where do these things come from?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's fascinating.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the example I would give is have you ever, you know, and I know the answer is yes, but have you ever, you know, just met someone and you've determined that you don't like them before you've even talked to them?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and that's your whole file folder opening up and it's bringing you reminders of things that have happened.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, this particular person, you know, is you're put projecting on them what has happened to you in your life.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so a lot of times people will say, well, the past is the past, we need to move on.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so the past is not the past, it's not even over, it's in us, and not only that, but there's generations in us of you know our parents and our grandparents and going back.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes they talk about with epigenetics, it's six, seven, eight generations back, you know.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: So when we're sitting here, we're sitting with a whole crowd of people without even knowing it.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Mark, uh, what are some things you're looking forward to?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Are there certain avenues you're you're you know excited to go down, knowing some of the guests coming up here?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just in general.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sorry.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I I had shared with you that that idea, Joe, that I have been totally humbled by the people who have offered to be on the podcast and you know, people in this country, and now some people that are out of this country that are reaching and and want to be on the podcast.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: We have this next season and we're almost full with guests, which has been just amazing to see how many, you know, how many experts in the field.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm talking about experts top names or authors of books that people would be familiar with or experts and authors, and then also people that are willing, as I said, to tell their stories of vulnerability, of addiction, of pain, of trauma and abuse.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so I know that that I'm really excited for you.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: You have a couple of interviews set up now, and and they're like top people in the field that are talking about issues that I I really believe are gonna resonate with any person that tunes into the podcast.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very excited.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's been it's been uh it's been such a a gift to be able to hear people's stories, to read people's stories, and to even even to hear from, like you say, the people who have followed along and responded, you know, to see just one part of this process of just looking to help people and support people.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're we're all in this together.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: The this life is unbelievably chaotic at times, but it's incredibly beautiful in the midst of all that.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: And to be able to just be a small part of that process, to be able to, you know, try to bring some sense of peace through it all.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And just if this is one avenue for one person to get there, I see it as a Huge blessing to be a part of it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to encourage people if they want to get in touch with us, they can go to our website and it's trauma meets recovery.com.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a part there where they can contact us, give us recommendations, tell me that my voice isn't loud enough because I know already that a lot of times it isn't.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm sitting on the street right now.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, wanting, I just want to say, like, we want that feedback.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: We're we are so grateful for the people that we have been able to interview and the people that we will be interviewing, and just to be able to make just a little bit of a difference in people's lives and bring, you know, peace.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like you use the word peace, and what went to my mind right away, Joe, is relief.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: If it gives somebody just even a little bit of relief, I I can remember getting out of rehab, and I felt so raw and didn't know you know what I was gonna do.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: And there's only so many times you can clean the garage.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and so I would listen to podcasts and I would get just that like that little thing that brought me some relief that gave me hope to keep going.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and I think that's what healing looks like, those those times when we can feel relief in our bodies and be able to be encouraged to move on, to move forward.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I want people to know I struggle every day with certain things that happened.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I have flashbacks, and you know, that's something that I'm still working with and probably will deal with for the rest of my life, and that's okay because I'm able to live life and live it so much more fully with the healing that I have have been blessed with having.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for sharing, Mark.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm incredibly excited, you know, to see where this continues to go.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: I I think you know, if you're just hopping on, even if it's season two, feel free to go back, go dive back.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're play all available, whether that be YouTube, Spotify, on Apple, even with the new episodes coming out, it's never too late to jump back into some of those old.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's some great resources back there.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I just want to I want to thank the listeners because you and I kind of track and I'm always filling you in on how many people we've had viewing.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if it was 10 people, that would be enough.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: If it was one person, that would be enough.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: But as of I think it was last week, we had almost 35,000 views on all different, you know, channels and on YouTube.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so really, really grateful for the response that we've gotten.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's been such a pleasure jumping into this.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: I know, you know, just uh stepping into your that uncomfort zone of just even just recording and and uh it's been huge.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And and I was I was thinking about it this morning, Joe.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking about our last recording, and we had to record the first episode three times to get it right.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, we have moved forward because I think we got this right this time.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: It feels good, Mark.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: It feels great.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Mark, I'm so excited.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for today, and it's just conversation.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's exciting to look back and then to look forward.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, well, Mark, I'm so excited for season two.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's been great to for today to look back at at where we've been and where we're going.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: So grateful for you and all you've shared for me and now being able to share it with uh just our community and and the and the people out there.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: So looking forward to season two.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mark, thank you for this conversation today.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited for season two.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so looking forward to seeing where the conversations go.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Joe.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being with me today.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for joining us on the Trauma Meets Recovery podcast.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: If today's conversation spoke to you, we would love for you to like, subscribe, or share the episode with someone to learn more or connect with us.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Visit our website at trauma meets recovery.com.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time, be gentle and kind to yourself.