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Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Elisa Donovan. Hey, everybody,
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Speaker 2: Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller.
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Speaker 1: Some murders happen in dark alleys.
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Speaker 2: Others happened behind the gates of multimillion dollar estates.
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Speaker 1: The true story.
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Speaker 2: Behind Murder in the Hamptons has everything wealth, betrayal, obsession, family,
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Speaker 2: and ultimately murder ted. Ammon was a Wall Street Titan
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Speaker 2: whose life appeared picture perfect from the outside, but behind
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Speaker 2: the gates of one of America's wealthiest communities, his marriage
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Speaker 2: was collapsing. Then he was found brutally bludgeoned to death
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Speaker 2: inside his own home. His estranged wife's boyfriend, Daniel Pelosi,
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Speaker 2: was ultimately convicted of the murder, but he continues to
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Speaker 2: maintain his innocence more than in.
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Speaker 1: Two decades later.
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Speaker 2: Today I'm joined by Sean Christian, who played Daniel Pelosi,
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Speaker 2: to explore one of the most fascinating true stories about money, power, betrayal,
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Speaker 2: and the question that still lingers. Did investigators get it right? Sean,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Killer Thriller. Thank you so much for joining
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Speaker 2: me today.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Li Lisa. Grateful to be here. I mean
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Speaker 3: when you guys reached out, I was like, wait, what
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Speaker 3: did roll this back a little bit? So I was like,
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Speaker 3: I got pretty excited, So I thought.
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Speaker 2: Oh, good, Yeah, I mean these are the this story
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Speaker 2: is just so I mean, it feels unbelievable kind of
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Speaker 2: in every single angle. And I think that's why people
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Speaker 2: are still very fascinated. Bye, not to mention the fact
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Speaker 2: that there really are so many unanswered questions still about
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Speaker 2: what really happened. So for people who aren't familiar with
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Speaker 2: the Ted Emming case, just walk us through what happened
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Speaker 2: and why it became such a national obsession.
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Speaker 3: Well, a great point, because it does seem unbelievable when
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Speaker 3: you kind of put the broad strokes together. I'm sure
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Speaker 3: we'll chop it up a little bit, but you go, okay, wait,
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Speaker 3: so this multi millionaire, if not billionaire, it's bludgeon to
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Speaker 3: death in the middle of his sleep in that house.
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Speaker 3: And this guy, Danny PLOSEI, the character that I play,
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Speaker 3: put together the security system that seemed to have failed
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Speaker 3: the night of his murder.
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Speaker 4: Of course, only that night, just that night, that night
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Speaker 4: exactly reason just that one, just the one, but it
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Speaker 4: was and then of course three months later if you
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Speaker 4: wrote the script and go, okay, wait, so this guy
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Speaker 4: was bludgeoned to death.
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Speaker 3: I mean really really has a lot of answers at
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Speaker 3: the time, of course, and his wife marries this guy
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Speaker 3: who runs the security as a maintenance man. Kind of
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Speaker 3: does it all three months later? Red flag? I'm no
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Speaker 3: Matt Locke, but I'm just telling you that it is a
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Speaker 3: bit of a red flag. Right, yeah, then of course
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Speaker 3: some tragedy, of course, happens beyond that, and she passed
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Speaker 3: away due to cancer not long after that.
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Speaker 1: Right, It's really like it's unreal.
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Speaker 2: So so Ted and Ted Ammon was really sort of
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Speaker 2: by and large beloved by everyone. He seemed to be
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Speaker 2: described as this incredibly kind and generous man.
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Speaker 1: And he wasn't you know, just wealthy.
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Speaker 2: He was really one of Wall Street's biggest success stories.
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Speaker 2: And do you do you think that this is going
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Speaker 2: to sound like a silly question?
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Speaker 1: Do you think that greed Do you think that greed
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Speaker 1: was at the heart of.
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Speaker 3: This in retrospect, I don't know as if greed was
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Speaker 3: the sole motivator. I think with regard to this character,
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Speaker 3: I think there's some underpinnings of greed, but it felt
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Speaker 3: a little more vengeance retribution from the wife. Now again
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Speaker 3: I'm not indicating anybody. I don't have the facts of
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Speaker 3: the case, just so we're clear about you know, it's
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Speaker 3: like Sean does not know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's coming for you after this to like
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Speaker 1: arrest you on said.
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Speaker 3: Dis gospel Now, but based on some of the psychology
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Speaker 3: and some of the research that I had to do,
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Speaker 3: and even looking back again at the movie, and you
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Speaker 3: see some of the clues, if you will, and the
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Speaker 3: behavior and the relationship with regard to how things were
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Speaker 3: rolling out. Of course a lot of things are dramatized
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Speaker 3: for cinematic effect, but of course they you know, the
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Speaker 3: director of the writers, everybody's doing their homework to bring
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Speaker 3: the greatest story it can. It's just honest and raw
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Speaker 3: and reel as it can. And so it felt like
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Speaker 3: some of this and when someone's not getting what they
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Speaker 3: want in a relationship office often they try to covet
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Speaker 3: what they don't feel they're entitled to. A lot of
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Speaker 3: times you can see because I'm just looking at it
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Speaker 3: from a behavior perspective, because if I have to get
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Speaker 3: into a character, I'm like, people are like, well, how
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Speaker 3: do you play all these murderers and serial killers and sociopaths.
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Speaker 3: Because I do. My mom's like, are you okay?
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Speaker 1: Are you okay?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, I'm like, also, I'll weave a comedy in
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Speaker 3: there every now and again. But to play these characters,
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Speaker 3: you have to go, okay, well, why does one believe
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Speaker 3: that this is justified? You don't. I don't think most
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Speaker 3: people go, you know what I really want to do?
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Speaker 3: It's just kill people for fun. I don't anticipate that's
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Speaker 3: the initial motive, but it feels like a lot of
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Speaker 3: this is vengeance and retribution for a love that's not
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Speaker 3: met at the expectation that someone wants it to be.
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Speaker 3: I can't say unrequited, because I don't get a sense
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Speaker 3: that that was the story. But from this guy's perspective,
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Speaker 3: it feels like there's a lot of motivating factors that
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Speaker 3: could lead to greed and wanting something that you can't have,
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Speaker 3: including right, maybe someone's wife.
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Speaker 2: Right and he you know, we should say for those
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Speaker 2: that are unaware, Daniel's background is very, very different from
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Speaker 2: the life that Generosa, who is Ted's ex wife, that
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Speaker 2: they led.
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Speaker 1: He was very blue collar.
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Speaker 2: He was a little bit of a petty criminal and
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Speaker 2: had a very different kind of background, and so when
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Speaker 2: Generosa hires him and brings him into her life, you
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Speaker 2: can imagine that, how, you know, with her motivations on
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Speaker 2: top of his, he's also quite handsome and sort of
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Speaker 2: that like rugged, you know, dangerous guy quote unquote. So
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Speaker 2: I think that is this really perfect storm in a
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Speaker 2: weird way that could could go down, you know, a
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Speaker 2: dangerous road.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, people, I mean, I think that's one of those
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Speaker 3: quintessential storylines. People like the bad Boys. Someone who's the
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Speaker 3: sort of right fitnesis of this beautiful, idyllic, multimillion dollar
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Speaker 3: life multiple homes in the Hampton's, New York City and
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Speaker 3: eventually London. Right. And of course the antithesis of that
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Speaker 3: is this guy who did have some history with d
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Speaker 3: Ui and other I don't know specifically what those crimes were,
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Speaker 3: but we'll call it checkered for lack of a better word,
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Speaker 3: at the right. Right, So somebody quite often will like
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Speaker 3: a taste of this wild side, as we call it.
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Speaker 2: Right, And so he Ted was killed just as his
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Speaker 2: divorce from Generos it was nearing a financial resolution, and
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Speaker 2: they did not they were not officially divorced when he
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Speaker 2: was murdered so and prosecutors argued that the timing was everything.
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Speaker 2: So how important is the timing of the murder to
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Speaker 2: this to understanding the entire case?
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Speaker 3: Do you think? I think all those things need to
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Speaker 3: be brought into play of me. And if I had
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Speaker 3: to do my homework and I was trying to solve
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Speaker 3: it my self, you have to consider the circumstances of Okay, look,
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Speaker 3: this isn't an it's on a path to ending, right
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Speaker 3: then someone's typically not happy about it. And unless it's
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Speaker 3: just an amicable spit that that happens, of course, But
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Speaker 3: in these circumstances, you could see, well, this potential lifestyle
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Speaker 3: that one gets accustomed to can be very alluring and
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Speaker 3: very I think it goes from alluring to entitlement, which
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Speaker 3: could cause some decision making call errors.
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Speaker 2: That is such a great way of hitting it. Yes,
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Speaker 2: that alluring to and titling.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm now entitled.
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Speaker 2: Well, because I've become accustomed to this, yep, other people
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Speaker 2: get it. Well, now I can't go back like it's
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Speaker 2: it's such a great point.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then people but even though with regard to
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Speaker 3: the spending, you know, going back and watching the movie
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Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't have the specific numbers and details,
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Speaker 3: but like, whatever she wanted, give it to her, right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he was very like, let's just end this and
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Speaker 2: make it amicable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's asking for the moon and he's given
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Speaker 3: her mars whatever you need, just make it open, right
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Speaker 3: and very affable. Some of the homework that I've done
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Speaker 3: with regard to who he was as a human being, wonderful,
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Speaker 3: like you said, like the top of the show, apparently
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Speaker 3: wonderful human being and very generous, very kind and affable.
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Speaker 3: So I think, from what I understand, and you see
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Speaker 3: some of it, give her what she wants, and then
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Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it's just not enough, and it does,
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Speaker 3: and maybe you've come full circle and you might have
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Speaker 3: now done something. Greed I want more. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: it is the allure to the sense of entitlement and
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Speaker 3: also shame that someone feels you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she The movie does a really nice job
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Speaker 2: of this, of kind of showing the escalation, not even
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Speaker 2: as fish certainly of her Generosi's like anger and uh
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Speaker 2: that kind of rage that she has, but they really
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Speaker 2: show it, which I thought was so interesting from the beginning,
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Speaker 2: Like she that moment when someone of the car almost
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Speaker 2: hits that woman, and she has a very like her
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Speaker 2: reaction does not match what happened.
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Speaker 1: But then she very clearly says, does that scare you?
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Speaker 1: Like she's sort of owning that she has this type
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Speaker 1: of personality, and he's like, that's okay. You know, I
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Speaker 1: think he even loves it.
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Speaker 3: You know, it can be kind of hot. Who doesn't
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Speaker 3: want to like in that regard to who doesn't want
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Speaker 3: a little crazy? But to get where you're going with that,
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Speaker 3: and I would, I would agree that was a good
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Speaker 3: tip off psychologically. And I don't know if she's ever
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Speaker 3: diagnosed with any bipolar or any cycle logical disorder.
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Speaker 2: I don't think she was, And that's what I'm so
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Speaker 2: curious about because it feels like there are so many
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Speaker 2: unanswered things where she. Daniel Pelosi still maintains his innocence
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Speaker 2: from prison, and maybe that's just sort of what you
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Speaker 2: do when you're in prison.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I don't know, but.
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Speaker 2: He seems to very you know, fiercely be saying that
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Speaker 2: other people were involved, and you know, I don't no one,
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Speaker 2: they don't really have any answers about Generosa because she
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Speaker 2: got so sick and wouldn't speak to the police, and
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Speaker 2: then I think, well, don't you have to Like there
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Speaker 2: were I've watched documentaries and things where they've said, you know,
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Speaker 2: and then her lawyers said, well, you can come here,
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Speaker 2: but she won't talk to you. And it sort of
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Speaker 2: feels like, what were these rules made specifically for her.
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Speaker 2: It's also strange to me that because all of the
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Speaker 2: friends would say everyone knew that she wanted her husband dead,
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Speaker 2: like these kind of very blatant things that that community
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Speaker 2: was talking about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see just connecting some of the dots generically,
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Speaker 3: even know outside of POV going wow, I mean, could
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Speaker 3: you get to the degree of being emotionally unstable and
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Speaker 3: love does this too? I mean, you don't have to
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Speaker 3: be diagnosed with anything to go you know, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: I love you so much. But not to the point
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Speaker 3: of this extreme, of course. But you can see how
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Speaker 3: the emotional pendulum can swing very quickly, and certainly in
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Speaker 3: high stake situations like this, where you get accustomed to
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Speaker 3: a lifestyle that many people would absolutely pardon the pun
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Speaker 3: die for it. But you know what I'm saying, like
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Speaker 3: you could see how this could happen. But setting the
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Speaker 3: stage for the emotional anguish of not really being able
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Speaker 3: to wrangle somebody, especially when they're more powerful, Yes, right,
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Speaker 3: more powerful? Yes, these people are, and whether you come
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Speaker 3: from money or not. And I don't know exactly where
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Speaker 3: she did gone. I think I didn't know. I don't
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Speaker 3: really know exactly her backstory. But man or man to
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Speaker 3: control some of the most powerful people can also be
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Speaker 3: a bit of an ego trip right into the tapestry
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Speaker 3: of motivation.
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Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
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Speaker 2: With that already in her, then that really could just
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Speaker 2: inflame all of it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I maybe get crazy when you're.
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Speaker 2: In love, but listen, I mean, yeah, sorry, could I
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Speaker 2: throw myself on the ball.
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Speaker 1: Made some choices? I mean, my husband's like, you, what
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Speaker 1: was it? What? Who were like? People?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 1: That was somebody I dated a lot. He's like, who
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Speaker 1: is that again? Here's another one? Oh, she's got another one.
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Speaker 3: You know, I've got a crazy and I don't regret him.
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Speaker 3: But I'm just in retrospect to go. I see a theme, Sean.
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Speaker 1: Right, right.
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Speaker 2: So one of the things that that is also fascinating
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Speaker 2: is that they the investigators, they didn't have they didn't
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Speaker 2: have an eyewitness, they didn't have a murder weapon or
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Speaker 2: a confession, it was largely circumstantial. And so did that
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Speaker 2: surprise you in learning all of that stuff? And first
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Speaker 2: of all, did you know how much did you know
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Speaker 2: about the case, about any of that before you took
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Speaker 2: the role.
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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I did a little homework on exactly how
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Speaker 3: this all transpired and trying to understand what was the
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Speaker 3: breaking play because throughout the script, even at the end,
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Speaker 3: if you see the end, as another woman got pregnant
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Speaker 3: kids prior to that, then he marries her, and then
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Speaker 3: she's gone and he marries another woman, you know, and
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Speaker 3: from what I saw, she was pregnant in the film,
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Speaker 3: and that that was at it. I don't know, but
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Speaker 3: literally like, babe, don't worry, babe, they're taking him away.
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Speaker 3: Don't worry, bebe. I must skip this one out too.
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Speaker 3: I'm out, don't worry about it, like completely to the
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Speaker 3: and absolving himself of any wrongdoing. So I was like, wait,
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Speaker 3: did I miss the page because the right Yeah. I
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Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'll digress for one quick second, because
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Speaker 3: there is a scene where he gets pulled over, and
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Speaker 3: I'm watching the scene he gets pulled over. I'm doing
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Speaker 3: I've got to do it, of course, and then the
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Speaker 3: police pulls him over. He's in the backseat and he's asleep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I had a question about that too.
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Speaker 3: I go, wait, did I miss the page?
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Speaker 1: Is he a magician?
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Speaker 3: Right? So he shows so the police officer knocks on
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Speaker 3: the one. I was like, yeah, hey, what's up. What's
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Speaker 3: going on? You know, he's like just sleeping in the
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Speaker 3: back of my car. I'm like, wait, he just pulled
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Speaker 3: you what right? Yeah? So yeah, go down with the
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Speaker 3: go down with the perceived truth or whatever. Right.
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Speaker 2: That's like that reminds me of me when I got
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Speaker 2: caught in high school driving my parents' car at lunch
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Speaker 2: off campus, which you weren't supposed to do, and smoking
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Speaker 2: and my mom being like.
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Speaker 1: You were smoking and driving, and me saying no, I wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Like if I just say no, maybe somebody will believe it,
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Speaker 2: you know, like you No, I didn't just pull the
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Speaker 2: car over and jump in the back.
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Speaker 1: Seat and pretend to be sleeping. It's insane.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had. Yeah, before I got expelled from school.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I didn't do it, but you convince that,
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Speaker 3: I'm sure. Psychological there's a term for this where you
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Speaker 3: literally you keep convincing yourself that it didn't happen, right,
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Speaker 3: And yeah, from a perspective of like you can convince yourself.
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Speaker 3: I do this as an art form. As an actor,
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Speaker 3: of course, I can imagine the craziest of circumstances and
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Speaker 3: my body will believe it. It doesn't know the difference
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Speaker 3: between what's really happening what you imagine happen, right, I
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Speaker 3: tell this, you know, when I talk to people or
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Speaker 3: coaching and helping people, I'm like, well, are you creating
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Speaker 3: this and believe it? Or is it really really happening?
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Speaker 3: And then you spiral down A lot of people go,
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Speaker 3: oh no, I just I imagine that, you know, they would
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Speaker 3: never love me or whatever they can achieve this goal
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Speaker 3: or whatever it is. But so people are getting to
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Speaker 3: these circumstances and he throughout the film because I'm trying
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Speaker 3: to find out like, and this is something certainly as
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Speaker 3: an artist or an actor and then playing the villains
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Speaker 3: and you know this, but it is like, Okay, where's
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Speaker 3: the moment where the rise smile comes in? Like I'm
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Speaker 3: getting away with it.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting it right, right, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: You know, even it's a romantic relationship, yes, and the
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Speaker 3: character and you go, all right, where is the guy
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Speaker 3: to say? He's gonna say the wrong thing? And that's
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Speaker 3: the end of the ring, Like my character's done.
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Speaker 2: Now he's done. Two things I was going to ask.
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Speaker 2: You know, in the film, they really make it seem
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Speaker 2: that the children genuinely loved Daniel, they actually wanted to
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Speaker 2: stay with him after both of the parents passed away.
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Speaker 1: Do you know if that's true.
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Speaker 3: I don't know specifically if there's anything on paper, but
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Speaker 3: throughout the story itself, and it was only one brief moment,
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Speaker 3: I got an opportunity essentially, well a little bit I
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Speaker 3: can tease up to it. You know, he's very generous
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Speaker 3: and kind, like you wonder like as you treat the
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Speaker 3: kids poorly because you have to research all of this
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Speaker 3: with regard to because if a kid walks in a room,
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Speaker 3: what's the reaction, right, like, what's his even verbal and nonverbal?
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Speaker 3: But there was a moment on the beach where the
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Speaker 3: two kids come up even yes, yes, it was probably
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Speaker 3: the most human, real sliver of a moment that I
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Speaker 3: was able to dip into because they do. I made
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Speaker 3: a choice as well, because you're talking about motivation as well,
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Speaker 3: like look, taking care of kids is also a powerful thing,
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Speaker 3: and they begin to do this for somebody as wonderful.
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Speaker 3: So I had that glimmer of like, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: I actually could be the caregivers of these children, and
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Speaker 3: that felt I chose in a sliver and the director goes, wow,
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Speaker 3: that was an interesting choice, and it goes I liked it.
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Speaker 3: That felt he really cared. And you do have to
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Speaker 3: find a moment of humanity. Yeah, madness of it all.
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Speaker 3: I mean I don't. People don't. Just like I said earlier,
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Speaker 3: you have a real good reason, or at least justifying
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Speaker 3: That might be a real good good being relative and subjective,
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Speaker 3: but you have a reason that to the person feels justified.
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Speaker 2: Right, They're not, you know, human beings are not one dimensional.
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Speaker 2: Even you know some of the most diabolical criminals. It
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Speaker 2: comes from somewhere, you know, it comes from some need.
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Speaker 2: We talk about that a lot on this show, of
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Speaker 2: how do.
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Speaker 1: These people get to this place?
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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's just that little flick of the switch,
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Speaker 2: or sometimes it's very systematic abuse or situations that people
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Speaker 2: are put in. And you know, there there are multitude
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Speaker 2: of reasons of how we get somewhere, but it's very
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Speaker 2: rarely if never is it just simply because someone is evil.
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Speaker 1: It's like, that's a simple you're.
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Speaker 3: Right at least that's exactly it. And I think even
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Speaker 3: in that moment, I had to go back from a
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Speaker 3: behavioral perspective and go, wow, I'm loved and respected by
20:22
Speaker 3: these So even if you didn't get is it from
20:24
Speaker 3: your father? What you even doing some of the homework
20:27
Speaker 3: was like part of how he got caught. Yes, right,
20:31
Speaker 3: so wow, I'm loved by somebody and respected by these kids.
20:35
Speaker 3: That's a powerful emotion. Yes, they can motivate anybody in
20:40
Speaker 3: a variety of directions. I mean, you see people do
20:43
Speaker 3: crazy things for the kids.
20:44
Speaker 2: Yes, and right, specifically, if he had never felt that,
20:48
Speaker 2: that could be a very powerful and you know, intoxicating
20:52
Speaker 2: kind of yeah feeling. I did read that his father
20:57
Speaker 2: gave some of the most incriminating evidence against him on
21:02
Speaker 2: the stand right, that he had purchased a stun gun,
21:06
Speaker 2: And I think Daniel was saying, no, I you know,
21:08
Speaker 2: I never really did that, and then his father's like,
21:12
Speaker 2: oh no, he asked me, And he also asked me
21:14
Speaker 2: how to get rid of something that you don't want
21:17
Speaker 2: anybody to find.
21:20
Speaker 3: Let's back that up a little exactly. Let me let
21:22
Speaker 3: me let's up back that just for a second. That
21:25
Speaker 3: was where I again, because that was exactly from what
21:28
Speaker 3: I do in my home. Martin was the father said that.
21:34
Speaker 3: He said just that, well, if you had to get
21:35
Speaker 3: rid of because it wasn't I think his father was
21:36
Speaker 3: a former detective or a police officer or something that
21:39
Speaker 3: he would ask his father, Well, if you had to
21:41
Speaker 3: get rid of a piece of evidence or piece of
21:43
Speaker 3: evidence is just kind of it's the dumbest, quite crazy
21:46
Speaker 3: question to call it. That was pretty incriminating on top
21:53
Speaker 3: of you. So you put in the security system.
21:55
Speaker 2: In the house, and yeah, and that part of it, Like,
22:00
Speaker 2: these are the things where I go some you know,
22:02
Speaker 2: sometimes we hear these cases.
22:04
Speaker 1: Where they're so.
22:07
Speaker 2: Just incredibly detailed, like how how specific and sort of
22:12
Speaker 2: twisted these.
22:13
Speaker 1: Minds can be. And then someone like this.
22:16
Speaker 2: It's like they just unplugged it, I think, and like
22:20
Speaker 2: took that and took the machine out from but as
22:25
Speaker 2: if no one was going to realize they have all
22:27
Speaker 2: the other footage leading up to that, and then it's
22:29
Speaker 2: just gone.
22:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like and I think he had an alibi,
22:33
Speaker 3: so I'm sure he just was like, well, look.
22:35
Speaker 1: Yes, a wedding, a family wedding or something.
22:38
Speaker 3: They said, yeah, yeah, something like that. So it'll go
22:41
Speaker 3: out and then I'll be at this wedding and I
22:44
Speaker 3: have this jacket that I think was also incriminated, like
22:48
Speaker 3: that jacket the night that ate the jet. Whatever jacket
22:50
Speaker 3: he was wearing that night, I think was never to
22:52
Speaker 3: be found. Was a clue. And they're like, well, where'd
22:56
Speaker 3: that jacket go? I just threw it out because I
22:58
Speaker 3: didn't need it, you know, Jackie went to in a wedding. Yeah,
23:05
Speaker 3: so there's a few puzzle pieces that you do. You
23:08
Speaker 3: have you have to laugh a little bit to just
23:11
Speaker 3: go because you have to make that this has to
23:14
Speaker 3: make sense and you're going to recreate it, Yes, in
23:18
Speaker 3: a in real life, in a person's mind, if you're
23:21
Speaker 3: really gonna plot this through and you go especially now
23:27
Speaker 3: with all the forensics and everything else, right, you just
23:29
Speaker 3: it's I don't even know how you get away with
23:31
Speaker 3: someone like this today.
23:32
Speaker 2: It's right, it does seem to be increasingly more difficult,
23:36
Speaker 2: and they so it says that he apparently told a
23:40
Speaker 2: lawyer that he removed the hard drive on the weekend
23:44
Speaker 2: that Ted was killed. I just decided to take the
23:49
Speaker 2: hard drive out that yeah, right right, just on this. Yeah,
23:54
Speaker 2: So for fear that someone would see the tapes and
23:59
Speaker 2: what was on the hard drive, Like, that's pretty self incriminating, say,
24:05
Speaker 2: want anybody to see what's on there?
24:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm no Columbo, but that just is not updating myself.
24:11
Speaker 1: Clearly, it's too I got you, I got you, like.
24:15
Speaker 3: On hundred years old. I don't even know, yeah exactly,
24:19
Speaker 3: but it is. It is those when you connect some
24:21
Speaker 3: of those dots and you just think, and there is
24:24
Speaker 3: a inner reverence that I think that the came with
24:28
Speaker 3: the character and those little nuances. Yes, So even before
24:32
Speaker 3: he and I, there's another scene where Tad's gone, I
24:37
Speaker 3: think they're get they got married, and he's he's been
24:40
Speaker 3: out in Vegas. When he comes home and he takes this,
24:43
Speaker 3: takes the wedding ring right before I walk in. I go,
24:45
Speaker 3: just just take the I'm gonna take the wedding and
24:47
Speaker 3: slide it on with her back turned and come on
24:49
Speaker 3: in and just go to the fridge or whatever it happens.
24:53
Speaker 3: And he literally in that whole scene, it's like she's like,
24:56
Speaker 3: where were you in Vegas? But in my money that
24:58
Speaker 3: I was like Hey, babe, babies for the boat. I'm
25:02
Speaker 3: getting us a boat. Yeah. I didn't want to tell
25:03
Speaker 3: you this, but you know, I mean the your reverend
25:06
Speaker 3: when you like this, Yeah.
25:08
Speaker 2: And the constantly kind of scheming in your mind, like
25:13
Speaker 2: there's just always an answer for everything, always a.
25:17
Speaker 1: Way to turn it. And it's like it's very And also,
25:22
Speaker 1: this is the other.
25:23
Speaker 2: Thing I was going to say that we have to
25:25
Speaker 2: talk about at the towards the.
25:26
Speaker 1: End of the movie.
25:27
Speaker 2: And this is very real because it was on the
25:30
Speaker 2: cover of one of the New York papers. He Daniel
25:34
Speaker 2: goes into that bar and with the ashes of generosa,
25:41
Speaker 2: fits them on the table and as a drink with
25:44
Speaker 2: them as like a final goodbye.
25:48
Speaker 1: Like what do you make of that?
25:51
Speaker 3: Is?
25:52
Speaker 1: Like grief? Is it insanity?
25:54
Speaker 3: Is it just? It is? I think a layer of
25:58
Speaker 3: hubris in your rev Rents almost sticking it to you
26:02
Speaker 3: like you ain't gonna touch me watch this. Not only
26:06
Speaker 3: will I do that because that's the place they met
26:09
Speaker 3: and the thing and that because it was it was
26:10
Speaker 3: a New York Times post.
26:12
Speaker 2: Yah, I think it was a post maybe, and it
26:13
Speaker 2: was a photograph so it wasn't just a commentary bout
26:16
Speaker 2: post because people can say the post is you know,
26:18
Speaker 2: a tabloid, but this is an existing a photograph that
26:22
Speaker 2: was taken of this man, so it's not made up.
26:24
Speaker 3: Yes, that's so good a Lisa, because you think when
26:26
Speaker 3: people say, oh, I was a post he put it
26:28
Speaker 3: on his Instagram, You're like, no, no, no, no. Press had
26:31
Speaker 3: to come in correct, realize how ballsy you have to
26:36
Speaker 3: be and to be able to go in there and
26:38
Speaker 3: do that. And it absolutely I think it was just
26:42
Speaker 3: a layer of hubris and I think stocked full of
26:46
Speaker 3: beer reverence. And I think that was part the one
26:49
Speaker 3: of the characters things that I had chose to bring
26:51
Speaker 3: to it, meaning I mean there is nothing he could
26:54
Speaker 3: not do. I will great, I could get the riches
26:58
Speaker 3: one and yep, I'm going to Mary the Woman three
27:00
Speaker 3: months later after you want to give it a little time, like.
27:04
Speaker 1: An invincible nature, like just utterly.
27:09
Speaker 3: That that's that's a great word because that that layer
27:12
Speaker 3: of invincibility. And I am psychologically I'm pretty sure that
27:17
Speaker 3: those criminals who do the little cat and mouse game
27:19
Speaker 3: where they kind of keep these clues, same kind of
27:22
Speaker 3: DNA where they're just like you will never catch me,
27:26
Speaker 3: right kind of mind.
27:28
Speaker 2: Right, that's a very typical like well, yeah, serial killer
27:33
Speaker 2: type of yeah, come get me, because like that's part
27:35
Speaker 2: of it.
27:36
Speaker 1: And then that does so this does kind of come
27:39
Speaker 1: back to, is.
27:41
Speaker 2: You know, class and upbringing and privilege and all of
27:45
Speaker 2: that and the lack thereof like how much of that
27:49
Speaker 2: is a part of this person's particular story, because it's
27:53
Speaker 2: sort of you know when you're talking about that that
27:56
Speaker 2: you know, a reverence and invincibility and things like that
27:59
Speaker 2: would sort of lead to it if you come from
28:01
Speaker 2: something that's more troubled and less than there's a bit
28:06
Speaker 2: of like I don't have anything to lose maybe, and
28:09
Speaker 2: now the more he gains, it's like I'm I'm smarter
28:13
Speaker 2: than all of you. It doesn't matter how much money
28:15
Speaker 2: you have or where you come from.
28:18
Speaker 3: I got you, absolutely, I got you, and I belong
28:22
Speaker 3: in this class. To your point about the social class
28:26
Speaker 3: I've earned might be a weird way to put it,
28:29
Speaker 3: but I've earned my status and status is a big
28:33
Speaker 3: motivator for people buy a Gucci all this stuff. Our status.
28:36
Speaker 3: They don't even have the money, may not be in
28:38
Speaker 3: a house, right, but you need to know my status.
28:42
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that's his exact motivator. But you
28:45
Speaker 3: can see that is being one of those things there
28:49
Speaker 3: from your social class perspective. Yep, I belong right here
28:54
Speaker 3: with all of you.
28:55
Speaker 2: Yes, And even the neighborhood, like the Hamptons itself, which
28:58
Speaker 2: is where this took place.
29:01
Speaker 1: It's like its.
29:02
Speaker 2: Own character, both in the movie but in the story also.
29:07
Speaker 2: So do you think that if this had happened somewhere
29:10
Speaker 2: else people would be less interested?
29:13
Speaker 3: Yes? I think you make a great point, because it
29:16
Speaker 3: is also that does make a state. It's a state,
29:19
Speaker 3: the word Hampton's, Central Pe, Beverly Hills, right. You can
29:22
Speaker 3: see them in the titles, whether it's a movie that
29:26
Speaker 3: someone's created and going, no, we need to sex it up,
29:30
Speaker 3: murder and Beverly Hills. What right the Hampton's and the
29:34
Speaker 3: elite because and I'm sure socially there's some commentary about
29:39
Speaker 3: that thought you just brought up, and I'm just spinning
29:42
Speaker 3: this with you right now, But I think that's what
29:45
Speaker 3: makes these things a little more illumining. If some of
29:49
Speaker 3: these crimes don't happen in high profile places. He might,
29:54
Speaker 3: you know, daniel LeMond was very high profile in his world.
29:58
Speaker 3: But I think if you'd asked ninety percent of the
30:00
Speaker 3: culture at the time who he is wasn't like a
30:04
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, right, yep. So, But I
30:07
Speaker 3: do think a lot of the times that that probably
30:10
Speaker 3: plays into a from a title of a movie, of course,
30:14
Speaker 3: but that actually is what happened. But that's the ultimate
30:18
Speaker 3: catch in that spot. Yep.
30:33
Speaker 2: I also was wondering about the timing of this too
30:37
Speaker 2: and why. I mean, I'm from New York. I grew
30:39
Speaker 2: up on Long Island and lived in New York City
30:41
Speaker 2: before I moved to La.
30:44
Speaker 1: Many years ago.
30:44
Speaker 2: But anyway, I didn't I wasn't as familiar with this
30:50
Speaker 2: particular case until I remember when this movie came out
30:54
Speaker 2: and things. But I realized it was in October of
30:57
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and I thought this was right after sorry,
31:01
Speaker 2: of twenty of two thousand and one when he was murdered,
31:05
Speaker 2: and that was right after nine to eleven. So I
31:09
Speaker 2: bet that was really like the prominent news at that
31:14
Speaker 2: time still because it was only a month later.
31:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, New York City was I mean that the world
31:19
Speaker 3: was talking about New York City right right right itself.
31:23
Speaker 3: And then of course to help atmosphere because many New York.
31:25
Speaker 3: I lived in Manhattan for a while and that came.
31:30
Speaker 3: That was sort of the New Yorkers playground. Yes, right,
31:34
Speaker 3: so that comes, is your point. It's definitely part of
31:37
Speaker 3: that tapestry of these elites and this different class of
31:43
Speaker 3: people who.
31:44
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where everyone goes from New York on
31:47
Speaker 2: the weekend still today.
31:48
Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know.
31:50
Speaker 3: It's a playground. New York City's great. Love that city.
31:55
Speaker 3: But yeah, I didn't spend a lot of time personally
31:57
Speaker 3: in the hands. Yeah, but with social media, I mean,
32:01
Speaker 3: you know, someone's hanging out and there's a Hampton's party
32:03
Speaker 3: and everything. It's a it's a thing. I mean, it's
32:07
Speaker 3: definitely a beautiful thing, and there's beautiful people there. I mean,
32:11
Speaker 3: like not physically, I'm talking about like you know people, yeah,
32:13
Speaker 3: like to put social class titles on and I sort
32:17
Speaker 3: of jump away from that pretty quickly, but beautiful.
32:19
Speaker 4: Right.
32:20
Speaker 2: So when when you guys shot this movie, uh, Daniel
32:24
Speaker 2: Pelosi was very much still alive because he still is
32:27
Speaker 2: and he had just been convicted and was still maintaining
32:32
Speaker 2: his innocence.
32:33
Speaker 1: Did that.
32:34
Speaker 2: Add any layer of responsibility for you knowing all the
32:38
Speaker 2: real people? I mean, this is always in a question,
32:40
Speaker 2: always a question when you're playing a real person. But
32:42
Speaker 2: did any of that, how did that feel? Or did
32:44
Speaker 2: it impact your work or prep in it anyway?
32:49
Speaker 1: Specifically?
32:50
Speaker 3: Great question. I do think about those things, specifically if
32:52
Speaker 3: it's someone who's living and alive and maintains their innocence.
32:56
Speaker 3: I'm as a human being. I try to see everyone's
33:00
Speaker 3: perspective and then I can make my own decision, right.
33:02
Speaker 3: I prefer to do that that way, whether it's a character.
33:05
Speaker 3: Because you hear actors who are preparing like, oh, this
33:07
Speaker 3: character would never say that, this character would never do this.
33:10
Speaker 3: I go, well, wouldn't it be interesting if they did? Then?
33:13
Speaker 3: Because I mean I do things that I wouldn't typically
33:16
Speaker 3: do in my day. Yes, you know what I mean.
33:18
Speaker 3: So hopefully that in that way. But I do look
33:23
Speaker 3: at those things, and I do know he maintained his innocence,
33:26
Speaker 3: and I thought, well, let me look at what story
33:30
Speaker 3: am I telling? And it isn't his story? Right, So
33:34
Speaker 3: this was a biograph fee on him that maybe I'd go, hey,
33:37
Speaker 3: can I get a hold of him and can I
33:38
Speaker 3: talk to him? And you know, that wasn't really the case,
33:42
Speaker 3: and I didn't really was like, Okay, this isn't about him.
33:44
Speaker 3: This is about a story that has happened, and there's
33:47
Speaker 3: a lot of curiosity wrapped around it, a lot of
33:50
Speaker 3: unknowns wrapped around it, and also but then maintaining his innocence.
33:55
Speaker 3: I think if I in creating it, that's what I
33:58
Speaker 3: had to believe despite the stuff that you and I
34:00
Speaker 3: had just been talking about, the father, the questions and
34:03
Speaker 3: the hard drive, and you're like again like did I
34:06
Speaker 3: miss something? But no, I don't judge them. I try
34:10
Speaker 3: to understand them and then go, Okay, let me create
34:14
Speaker 3: this life experience in two hours or less and bring
34:18
Speaker 3: that element to it. But at what stood out to
34:20
Speaker 3: me is the word that we've been bouncing back and
34:22
Speaker 3: forth as a layer of innocence and irreverence. I think
34:27
Speaker 3: the whether it was all crafted to begin with, I'm
34:32
Speaker 3: not sure. And you know, because if someone like you
34:35
Speaker 3: had mentioned, does it comes from the other side of
34:38
Speaker 3: the tracks, for lack of a better phrase, gets a
34:41
Speaker 3: taste of that elite world. To use your word again,
34:45
Speaker 3: it's very into upskating, and so I just went from
34:49
Speaker 3: the place of innocence and also mystery. I'm gonna keep
34:54
Speaker 3: a certain any actor or anything I like to do
34:56
Speaker 3: is keep guests and does he know is he gonna?
34:59
Speaker 3: I'm And I chose consciously never to wink and smile
35:03
Speaker 3: like I got you all. I just didn't. I didn't
35:07
Speaker 3: for me. I was like, no, I'm going if he
35:09
Speaker 3: maintains his innocence to today, that's the story I'm going
35:14
Speaker 3: to tell. I'm not going to nod to the audience
35:17
Speaker 3: and go not the audience in particular, but the story itself,
35:22
Speaker 3: and go, I screwed you all over right, you know
35:24
Speaker 3: you can't catch me. There are layers to that. But
35:28
Speaker 3: but like anybody who's watching, whether it's a murder or
35:31
Speaker 3: a love story, they're gonna weave everything that they want
35:35
Speaker 3: to weave into it. Girls, a one guy walks into
35:40
Speaker 3: a broom or a bar, the audience is already going,
35:42
Speaker 3: are they gonna you're gonna look up? How far they're
35:47
Speaker 3: already that You're just get in the room, beautiful people
35:54
Speaker 3: or whatever you go. I think, yeah, they'll, they'll, they'll
35:56
Speaker 3: do the work. And that's what I wanted the audience
35:58
Speaker 3: to do.
35:59
Speaker 4: Right.
36:00
Speaker 2: If you had the opportunity to sit down with Daniel
36:03
Speaker 2: Pelosi today, hey, what would you want to ask him?
36:08
Speaker 3: M hmm. Would I want to ask him.
36:11
Speaker 1: What would you want answered? That's unanswered.
36:14
Speaker 3: I would want to go below the yes or no question,
36:19
Speaker 3: you know, And because you couldn't implicate someone and just say, hey, man,
36:24
Speaker 3: do I feel like what did it feel like to
36:25
Speaker 3: do this? Crazy? But what is it? I mean, I'd
36:31
Speaker 3: have to say, like, how are you different from the
36:33
Speaker 3: moment you went in to this very day right now?
36:37
Speaker 3: What has changed inside of you?
36:40
Speaker 1: Oh? That's a great question.
36:44
Speaker 3: Right like, because whether you did or didn't it whatever,
36:47
Speaker 3: you're really going, Oh my god, I'm sitting in here,
36:51
Speaker 3: and I mean, like, how so that would be very telling.
36:55
Speaker 3: So you see, I'm not I don't need a yes
36:56
Speaker 3: or no, but I would learn from a transformative experience.
37:01
Speaker 3: You know, you may go, I'm innocent here, I'm still innocent.
37:04
Speaker 3: Now you go also.
37:06
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing has changed?
37:08
Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean? You're going if you
37:10
Speaker 3: and then if you were innocent, then perhaps the exploration
37:14
Speaker 3: would be like, man, this is an unjust world. Man
37:17
Speaker 3: like this, how do I find justice for me or
37:20
Speaker 3: someone out like Nelson Mandel? I'm not trying to equate
37:23
Speaker 3: the two. Sure, yes, do you see what I'm saying? Yes? Yes,
37:27
Speaker 3: like he took a different route and yet it was
37:30
Speaker 3: incarcerated just in the injustice of it all transformed his life,
37:34
Speaker 3: of course, and if you didn't, if you weren't taking
37:37
Speaker 3: some greater perspective, whether it be for your own life
37:40
Speaker 3: for someone else, that would be very telling. And so
37:44
Speaker 3: I think that would be very revealing about one humanity,
37:50
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
37:50
Speaker 2: That is not even remotely what I thought you might say.
37:54
Speaker 2: And it's like the greatest, It's the best. That's that's great. Yeah,
37:59
Speaker 2: because i'd be like, did you do it? Did you
38:01
Speaker 2: do it right?
38:03
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, you know. It's like, but I'm sure
38:07
Speaker 3: I don't know whether he's up for parole or the story.
38:11
Speaker 1: So I think he's not.
38:12
Speaker 2: He's next up for parole in either twenty thirty or
38:15
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one.
38:16
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't I don't know how good
38:19
Speaker 1: twenty thirty one.
38:20
Speaker 3: He's up for pro I think I've seeing some at
38:22
Speaker 3: the end of the movie, I'm like, oh wow, I'm
38:24
Speaker 3: trying to do the math. But it would be very telling.
38:28
Speaker 4: It.
38:28
Speaker 3: I mean, you were you were with you for decades. Yeah,
38:33
Speaker 3: if you did do something like that, you're still with you. Yeah,
38:37
Speaker 3: And ultimately right.
38:38
Speaker 1: This is what I'm so struck by.
38:40
Speaker 2: You know, everybody, we're all still obsessed with Scott Peterson
38:43
Speaker 2: and the various thing you know that him trying to
38:45
Speaker 2: get int your trial, and I just I can't get
38:48
Speaker 2: past the the thought that him in particular, just for example, yeah,
38:55
Speaker 2: did not, like scream from the rooftops, I didn't do this.
39:00
Speaker 2: I didn't you know what I mean, Yes, I don't.
39:02
Speaker 2: I don't understand that, but that's that's my personality. I
39:05
Speaker 2: suppose I would be sort of like fiercely crying and
39:10
Speaker 2: trying to like just redeem, like make people see and
39:15
Speaker 2: I just don't see that in him. And even the
39:18
Speaker 2: things with Daniel Pelosi any the interviews that I watched,
39:21
Speaker 2: there is this thing of he's sort of like, why
39:24
Speaker 2: didn't do it? And I'm gonna you're gonna you're gonna
39:26
Speaker 2: see that. Yeah, that's just kind of like a defiance
39:30
Speaker 2: as opposed to this is terrible. This man was bludgeoned
39:35
Speaker 2: to death and I don't know who did it, but
39:37
Speaker 2: it wasn't me. You know, Like there's something that's like
39:40
Speaker 2: he lacks, from what I see in my opinion, like
39:43
Speaker 2: lacks a real empathy I guess.
39:46
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, because you would kick claw and scream.
39:50
Speaker 3: I sat there and I'm like, you know you did
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Speaker 3: x y Z hey. You would absolutely defend yourself. Yes,
39:57
Speaker 3: it's actually you know, even the smaller or there be
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Speaker 3: a white lie, a big lie, or even something too
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Speaker 3: extreme like murder. You if you were felt any sense
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Speaker 3: of injustice, you would just you would fight for your character.
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Speaker 3: You would like to your point, I agree with you.
40:14
Speaker 3: I'd like, no, no, no, Well, you know, and you see
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Speaker 3: plenty of the stories and people who trying to find
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Speaker 3: redemption and trying to get clarity and honesty and the
40:21
Speaker 3: truth to come to the fore, specifically as it relates
40:25
Speaker 3: to who they are as a human being in this planet.
40:27
Speaker 3: You would, now, not everybody. Again, we all have unique experiences,
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Speaker 3: and so people do have put on their shell and go,
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Speaker 3: well you I'm innocent, and that's just the way it is.
40:39
Speaker 3: And I got screwed by a system that is broken. Right,
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Speaker 3: you can see the psychology behind them, I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 3: But in the end, most people are seeking survival right right,
40:57
Speaker 3: Like it is that part of the right the amygdala
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Speaker 3: is just going, look, I'm going to figure I gotta
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Speaker 3: survive I will do think, try and figure this out.
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Speaker 3: But you're right, I don't know where that is. And
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Speaker 3: it certainly lacks a layer of empathy and compassion for
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Speaker 3: someone who's like trying to understand you would you would
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Speaker 3: You'd be like I want you to understand, and you go, well,
41:21
Speaker 3: let me. I'll back this up. So the wedding from
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Speaker 3: eight thirty to seventh thirty, right, literally we danced with Stacy, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: talk to you, you know whatever. And I think that's
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Speaker 3: the part that we're I'm not haven't seen it. I
41:38
Speaker 3: haven't seen all the interviews. But you make a great
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Speaker 3: point about that. And then certainly culturally and people judge
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Speaker 3: this way too, and people kind of they go because
41:51
Speaker 3: everyone has a judging eye when they're talking about you
41:53
Speaker 3: see somebody, whether it's a crime or somebody or you know,
41:56
Speaker 3: like what's your what's your what's you're where you're coming from?
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Speaker 2: And then we all relate it through our own like
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Speaker 2: what would I do? And thank goodness, I don't. I
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Speaker 2: have not had to ask myself. I've never been in
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Speaker 2: any of these situations, and so it is impossible to
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Speaker 2: know how one might respond. But I think that kind
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Speaker 2: of generally a human non sociopathic response would be one of,
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Speaker 2: you know, at the very least, just sort of helplessness
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Speaker 2: and feeling like, how could this be?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 3: What can I do? Even? Yeah, you have so much time?
42:36
Speaker 3: What is one thing I can do?
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Speaker 4: Right? One?
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Speaker 3: And then what would be the next thing I could do?
42:42
Speaker 3: And then what would you know? You could track that?
42:45
Speaker 3: And I would imagine if you were in that space,
42:48
Speaker 3: I would be fighting for my life. And that's in
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Speaker 3: my da Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, the movie is called Murder in the Hampton's and
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Speaker 2: it depending on where you're streaming it or it is
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Speaker 2: sometimes called Million Dollar Murder. And it's really really a
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Speaker 2: great movie, and Poppy Montgomery is wonderful in it, and
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Speaker 2: David Sutcliffe and I sean.
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Speaker 1: You're just a delight.
43:15
Speaker 2: This is such it's been such a pleasure talking with you,
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Speaker 2: and I hope we get to have you back for
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Speaker 2: one of the other.
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Speaker 1: Serial killers are something.
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Speaker 3: That you play go through the movies where I'm killing
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Speaker 3: peoples and not everyone's made on the true story. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: thank you. It's been an honor and pleasure. I enjoyed.
43:35
Speaker 3: It was fun to kind of throw back and go
43:37
Speaker 3: watch it again and sort of chop it up a
43:40
Speaker 3: little bit with a puzzle pieces.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it? Do you find it?
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Speaker 2: This is just a sidebar personal question that I always
43:46
Speaker 2: find fascinating is do you find it easier to watch
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Speaker 2: things years later that you've done or do you watch
43:51
Speaker 2: them right away and feel great about them?
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Speaker 1: Or is it like what's your what's your vibe on that.
43:57
Speaker 3: I am the worst at watching myself? Yeah, it's it's
44:01
Speaker 3: I don't know if the worst I'm exaggerating, but it's
44:04
Speaker 3: difficult because there's a bunch of lenses to look through it.
44:06
Speaker 3: First of all, I'm always about how can I improve?
44:10
Speaker 3: How can I get better? But the problem, you know,
44:13
Speaker 3: certainly you can see if you're looking at So you
44:17
Speaker 3: do the stuff, you film it, you tape it, you
44:19
Speaker 3: do it, and then to watch is very self absorbing.
44:22
Speaker 3: It's a lot to take right unless I'm going to
44:25
Speaker 3: study it as a means of bringing more reality, truth, depth.
44:31
Speaker 3: How why did I get my actresses lighting? Or you know,
44:34
Speaker 3: things right, respectful things that you want to be mindful of,
44:39
Speaker 3: so I can go back through it and watch later
44:44
Speaker 3: with a less discriminating eye and appreciate it and enjoy it.
44:49
Speaker 3: It was interesting to watch the character and the choices
44:53
Speaker 3: and the course of back. Part of my mind was like, well,
44:56
Speaker 3: was that a good choice?
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Speaker 1: It never ends, I know never.
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Speaker 3: You're just like, I'm not going to make it. I'm
45:02
Speaker 3: not gonna be an actor weird actor person because they
45:06
Speaker 3: can get you.
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Speaker 1: Turn to yeah yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Which I'm just I'm very a lot of stuff. We're
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Speaker 3: both like, no, right, psychology myself right now, but I
45:22
Speaker 3: can watch it better later. Yeah. I don't ever know
45:25
Speaker 3: I was so young then or any of that. I
45:27
Speaker 3: don't get it. That stuff part doesn't really bother me.
45:29
Speaker 3: I just appreciate the entertainment of it and going on,
45:34
Speaker 3: what a cool experience in my life kind of I
45:38
Speaker 3: see it now retrospect.
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Speaker 1: You're grateful, Yeah, I agree. Well, you're as I said,
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Speaker 1: this is wonderful. Thank you so much, and the movie
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Speaker 1: is streaming. Yeah, thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Sean, Well, thank you, thank you to your audience. I
45:55
Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on. I hope our past across
45:57
Speaker 3: again soon.
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Speaker 1: Me too, Me too.