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Patriots Unfiltered 9/25: Final Panthers Preview, Locker Room/Team Updates, NFL Week 4 Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium and we're getting closer to Week four
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  Speaker 1: matchup with the Carolina Panthers. It's Evan Paul, myself, Duce.
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  Speaker 1: She needs her flowers every Thursday. You have to play
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  Speaker 1: with the stick. It's a it's a it's a bit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a bit.
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  Speaker 3: She has some company at the top this week, though.
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  Speaker 1: Does she We'll find that out later in the show.
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  Speaker 5: You're fishing for compliments right now?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 3: I like it. Okay, I didn't go the way Fred
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  Speaker 3: dot Bro.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, for me, it's no big thing anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Alex and Matt Lebooth and we'll be talking Patriots and
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  Speaker 1: what do we have? What's what's what news do we
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  Speaker 1: have since we ended the show yesterday at two o'clock?
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  Speaker 6: Injuries?
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  Speaker 7: How about an extensive Carolina Panthers injury report? All of
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  Speaker 7: their main receivers and their top tight end are all.
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  Speaker 1: Are they scared on the list?
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  Speaker 4: I don't if they're scared, they might just.
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  Speaker 1: It might just be injured, like oh my arms. But
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  Speaker 1: tests on that list too.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Ted, I think is really the one that matters
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  Speaker 8: the rest of them. They're replaceable players. But Ted calf injury.
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  Speaker 8: Didn't practice at all yesterday, so we'll see if he's
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  Speaker 8: out there for them today. But I said it yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: If they don't have Ted, I don't know where Bryce
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  Speaker 8: Young's throwing the ball in this game. Like he's really
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  Speaker 8: their whole passing offense right now. And if he doesn't
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  Speaker 8: play in this game on Sunday, then the Patriots defense
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  Speaker 8: better better shut him down.
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  Speaker 6: Honestly, like that that would be doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Want to hear it. If Evan doesn't want to hear it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like that's a really really limited Panthers offense if
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  Speaker 8: they don't have.
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  Speaker 7: Ten Yeah, I mean, and even you know Legett hasn't
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  Speaker 7: done anything, but he was out of practice too. They
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  Speaker 7: rested Hunter Renfro and Jatavian Sanders, who's you know, had
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  Speaker 7: some catches for them, especially at the end of that
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  Speaker 7: Cardinals game.
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  Speaker 4: He was out too.
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  Speaker 3: So he's the second on the list behind and UH and.
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  Speaker 7: DJ want them to who's uh, doesn't have a sack yet,
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  Speaker 7: but has some pressures.
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  Speaker 4: So he's one of their one of their guys trying
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  Speaker 4: to get up to the quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know, maybe we'll get back to those days, Paul,
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  Speaker 7: where it all works out for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of those want to stand one of those in.
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  Speaker 4: It's been too nice. It'd be nice to have that.
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  Speaker 7: Now they're completely decimated by injuries. Let's let's just take
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  Speaker 7: the dub.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Panthers fans don't even want to play.
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  Speaker 8: They don't want I don't think Panthers fans want to win.
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  Speaker 8: If I mean, if I was a Panthers fan, I
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  Speaker 8: wouldn't want to win.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the ones who do want to.
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  Speaker 1: Why because they want to get playing? Yes, and who
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  Speaker 1: do they have their eyes on? Or who would you
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  Speaker 1: have your eyes on?
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  Speaker 3: It a quarterback?
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  Speaker 1: Or they given up?
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  Speaker 5: But you know, probably not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the one what what are they thanking.
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  Speaker 8: For baying from Miami pass rusher? Maybe yeah, they got
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  Speaker 8: Clemson's got a couple guys on the defensive line too. Uh,
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  Speaker 8: they don't really have much of a pass rush, so
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  Speaker 8: I'd have to imagine that that's I think they're thirtieth
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  Speaker 8: in the league right now in pressure rate.
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  Speaker 6: They have one sack in three games.
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  Speaker 8: So yeah, if you're trying, if you're trying to build
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  Speaker 8: something there in Carolina, I would think it would be.
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  Speaker 3: But if you if you were a Panther Span and
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  Speaker 3: we actually have one in the building, well not anymore.
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  Speaker 3: He can't he cut ties?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he cut tie.
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  Speaker 5: Breaking point, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, just you know, one of the guys that we
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  Speaker 3: work with and that I don't want to out him
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  Speaker 3: just in case he doesn't want anybody to know that.
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  Speaker 3: So but if you were a Panther Span, would you
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  Speaker 3: rather what Evan said? And sort of you know, all right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we get a high draft pick, we can
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  Speaker 3: bolster our defense a little bit. Or would you rather
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  Speaker 3: have Bryce Young catch fire and you know, really established
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  Speaker 3: that he is the quarterback and maybe you go, well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, eight or nine wins, you know, middle
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  Speaker 3: of the road, would that progression be good? Or would
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  Speaker 3: you rather have Evans? You know, we've got to continue
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  Speaker 3: to rebuild with high draft picks.
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  Speaker 7: I think Brycelon will always be limited because of his size,
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  Speaker 7: But if he did catch fire, that's the hardest piece
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  Speaker 7: to find.
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  Speaker 4: So you probably would take the quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: Personally, I look at him and I think he is
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  Speaker 7: always going to be limited. And what you just hate
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  Speaker 7: jumping back into that we don't have a quarterback. We've
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  Speaker 7: got to make sure the right guy and the right
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  Speaker 7: year lines up, and then it actually happens.
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  Speaker 4: So it is a good year for quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 8: So it could be possible like Josh Rosen situation where
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  Speaker 8: they have the number one pick and they just get
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  Speaker 8: Leonora's Sellers or an arch Manning or know, someone like
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  Speaker 8: that is.
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  Speaker 1: Arch Manning wasn't definitely coming out.
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  Speaker 3: He's more than likely not coming out. See, I think
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  Speaker 3: the Mannings are a little different. We'll see they say
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  Speaker 3: that they're not doing something they generally don't mean.
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  Speaker 8: He's getting paid a ton of nil, so he doesn't
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  Speaker 8: necessarily need to rush to the end fell.
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  Speaker 3: But plus he's you know, yeah, not exactly wondering where
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  Speaker 3: his next meal is coming from without nil.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I just I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I I hear what you're saying about Bryce Young and
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  Speaker 8: maybe trying to I just don't see it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh No, Just so if I'm a Panthers fan, like hypothetical, you're.
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  Speaker 8: Gonna win this game against the Patriots, and it's going
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  Speaker 8: to be like one of your three or four wins
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  Speaker 8: this season, and then it's like to what end? You know,
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  Speaker 8: That's the way I would look at it, and I
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  Speaker 8: don't mean to be disrespectful to the Panthers, but this.
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  Speaker 4: Team is what I get saying.
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  Speaker 7: The thing that confused me is like if he catches
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  Speaker 7: fire and he's dealing and you know, so that maybe
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  Speaker 7: it changes the scenario.
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  Speaker 3: Strug It's not like they you know, they win a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of thirteen to ten games and they find a
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  Speaker 3: way to win eight or nine games, but you really
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  Speaker 3: don't know about the Q. I'm saying the quarterback is
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  Speaker 3: complete at this time next year, there's no doubt, Like
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  Speaker 3: everybody around the league is an agreement. Bryce Young took
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  Speaker 3: him a while, but he's really established himself as a
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  Speaker 3: starting quarterback that anybody would want. You know, that's the hypothetical.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with Evan. I don't really find that overly realistic.
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  Speaker 3: I think your reasoning is why you can't fix height,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in stature. I just think he's a little
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  Speaker 3: too small.
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  Speaker 7: It's funny with that because having watched some of their
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  Speaker 7: Cardinals games, Tyler is one who's kind of found a
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  Speaker 7: way to stay competitive, maybe partially because he just has
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  Speaker 7: he's more crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Mobile, mobile and more athletics.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's still been able to make it work.
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  Speaker 7: They're they're still going down that road with the car
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  Speaker 7: agree to a degree. But another team that you feel
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  Speaker 7: like they're always kind of middling and up and down
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  Speaker 7: and can't quite get over the hump.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean they're stuck in a good division right now.
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  Speaker 7: But I do think Jonathan Gannon's done a pretty good
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  Speaker 7: job with with some of the stuff we've seen felt some.
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  Speaker 3: Guys see the Cardinals tonight, I don't want to give
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  Speaker 3: away anything for the picks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Patriots. Uh participation report from yesterday?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, no, Chase Honor Jared Wilson practice yesterday. Both
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  Speaker 8: of them didn't participate. So Ben Brown probably next man
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  Speaker 8: up at left guard if Jared Wilson can't play, and
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  Speaker 8: then Gonzo limited far more limited to but.
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  Speaker 1: He yeah, he's been usually when not injury related program.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so he'll play. But yeah, Gonzo limited again.
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  Speaker 1: But are you surprised that it was he wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: full participant? No, no, no, But.
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  Speaker 8: It's not really not a bad injury report for the
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  Speaker 8: Patriots for only four guys that had any sort of
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  Speaker 8: limitation in practice.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little concerned with the Jared Wilson situation. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I agree with it, and it's not overly big.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the injury list is a handful of names.
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  Speaker 4: But not We saw him in the locker room yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: He did a one on one with Tommy Current on
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  Speaker 7: the side, Jared Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so maybe that's a sign.
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  Speaker 3: I just think a rookie to not practice he's he's hurt. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he's got he's dealing with something.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that he won't play in the game.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have anything.
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  Speaker 8: Dealing with multiple somethings apparently, yeah on there an ankle
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  Speaker 8: in any.
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  Speaker 3: I mean one thing I say, But do you know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like they don't just have rookies not
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  Speaker 3: practice on Wednesdays. Yeah, you know, now just take a rest,
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  Speaker 3: Yeah right.
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  Speaker 7: I think Chase On is a little bit of a
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  Speaker 7: concern though he's an athletic guy. When you look at
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  Speaker 7: going down the depth chart, now, if it's key On White,
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  Speaker 7: Anthony Jennings, like those guys are gonna have tough time
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  Speaker 7: chasing Bryce Young if he breaks the pocket. I think
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  Speaker 7: the plan would probably be to keep him contained, and
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  Speaker 7: maybe those guys will be able to do that. But
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  Speaker 7: that was something last year I remember key On White
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  Speaker 7: kind of struggling with you know, when it's it's don't
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  Speaker 7: just pin your ears back and try to go get
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  Speaker 7: the quarterback and run right through the offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes that's a challenge for him.
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  Speaker 7: So I do think it'll be a little bit of
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  Speaker 7: a hit if Chase On isn't going to be able
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  Speaker 7: to go.
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  Speaker 4: It's just the first speed and his mobility. He's definitely
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  Speaker 4: the most athletic guy opposite Landry There.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots would be going indoors today for practice. The weather
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  Speaker 1: here in Foxboro is pretty bad today. I checked the
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  Speaker 1: weather for Sunday. There is a chance of rain, but
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  Speaker 1: it looks like it could be ending around noon, so
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  Speaker 1: maybe by game two time it won't be raining.
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  Speaker 4: We like to make it interesting with the fumbles, don't we.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little wet, so there could be rain. You
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  Speaker 1: know that. It changes very quickly here in New England.
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  Speaker 1: But right now it's looking like no rain for game time,
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  Speaker 1: which is a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: Good thing. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully it ends a little eli
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  Speaker 4: than that, gets some tailgate.
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  Speaker 1: Moderate temperature mid sixties.
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  Speaker 3: Get a better walk across the parking lot.
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  Speaker 7: Today, my feet are still sopping wet. I told that,
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  Speaker 7: and I'm gonna start wearing flip flops to work through
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  Speaker 7: the park.
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  Speaker 1: You get here, when I get here, it was fine
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  Speaker 1: your head last night, a little earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Today this morning, it wasn't rain where. It wasn't when
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  Speaker 3: I was, like when I was at seven o'clock, it
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  Speaker 3: was pouring down.
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  Speaker 1: It was drizzling here, but it wasn't really raining that hard.
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  Speaker 4: When I got any gloshes or something.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't have a good rain boots.
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  Speaker 7: There's not really a cool rainbow for dudes to wear, like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I feel like our friends sailors always got
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  Speaker 7: those little like rubber shoes you know, that are like
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  Speaker 7: kind of fancy, and there's for girls like always looks
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  Speaker 7: stupid when you're wearing like, you know, the big ass
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  Speaker 7: fishing boots, like stylish rain proof yellow hat.
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  Speaker 6: Forbid, my feet get wet.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about there's nothing more than getting your feet
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  Speaker 1: wet early in the day and having wet socks all day.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's a.
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  Speaker 3: Bad little heater under my desk.
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  Speaker 5: That's bad for it definitely has some waterproof.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good point. Let's talk, brunt.
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  Speaker 3: We need to work where you have you you have
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  Speaker 3: the boots, just wear them.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't wear those boots in this though. It's wet
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  Speaker 4: and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: That's the water, the leather though.
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  Speaker 6: Come on, all right, all right, can't lose this game?
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  Speaker 4: Nopee.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin's like, I need to leave in about an hour.
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  Speaker 3: Can we focus? Focus?
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  Speaker 10: All right?
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  Speaker 1: What else?
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  Speaker 6: Can't lose this game? That's it. What I agree with
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  Speaker 6: that is, like, this isn't can't lose this game.
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  Speaker 3: You talked about this on my shoes, Oh Freddy, with
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  Speaker 3: Mike and Tony. I was like this, I can make
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  Speaker 3: excuses like they all played Pittsburgh. They just have themselves
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  Speaker 3: to blame. They drop them. You can't lose this game.
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  Speaker 3: You can't. They have to tighten up the things that
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  Speaker 3: have been costing you points slash games against it. I
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  Speaker 3: think an inferior opponent at home, you have to win
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  Speaker 3: this game. Three and sixteen in the last nineteen home games.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the number?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 8: But like this is a take care of if you
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  Speaker 8: want to make any noise this season, like these are
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  Speaker 8: take care of business type of games. Sure, Like I
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  Speaker 8: don't really care what it looks like. Like they could
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  Speaker 8: win this game sixteen to thirteen. It wouldn't be pretty,
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  Speaker 8: but you can't if you want to get to meaningful
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  Speaker 8: football in December and January for this team, Like, I
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  Speaker 8: don't know how you get there if you don't take
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  Speaker 8: care of business again, right, And it's too.
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  Speaker 1: Early to say, well, this is who they are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's too early for that. But we're getting there. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a few more weeks we'll be able to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we have a we can start defining this team a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I would just say I do think
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  Speaker 7: it would hurt though if it's they make a bunch
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  Speaker 7: of more turnovers and they like win in spite of
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  Speaker 7: making all the same mistakes that they've been And.
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  Speaker 3: I understand Evan's point, like a win is a win
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  Speaker 3: and that is the bottom line, But I would not
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  Speaker 3: feel great about it if it was.
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  Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't feel great about it.
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  Speaker 3: A clunky one, but it's on to the next.
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  Speaker 8: Like this Panthers team has a lot of holes, on
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  Speaker 8: their roster, Like the Patriots have a better team than
• 13:26
  Speaker 8: the Panthers.
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  Speaker 6: They do, and they have a better quarterback. I think
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  Speaker 6: they have a better coach.
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  Speaker 4: Does this feel weird?
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  Speaker 7: It feels weird to me, Like saying all this, I
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  Speaker 7: think it's making me nervous talking because I don't think
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  Speaker 7: we've talked about a game like this, and I don't
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  Speaker 7: remember the last time.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and when we do, they've lost. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: like Jacksonville in London last there you go, or Tennessee
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  Speaker 3: last year. You know, those kinds of games.
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  Speaker 8: But I don't know if you had at that time
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  Speaker 8: the quarterback and coach advantage that you have now over
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  Speaker 8: a team like Carolina, Like we didn't really know if
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  Speaker 8: Gerrod was going to be a good coach at that point.
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  Speaker 8: We didn't really know if Drake was going to be
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  Speaker 8: good at that I.
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  Speaker 3: Was talking in terms of the yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And I you know this one, like I'm already like
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  Speaker 8: pre mad if they lose this game, because like this is.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about it yesterday. We talked about it yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: But Calvin and Saint Albans England rights and he says,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't hear much about the Panthers win on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: but a team that wins thirty to nothing has to
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  Speaker 1: be doing something right. What's been keeping Rabel up at
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  Speaker 1: night as he gets ready for Sunday.
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  Speaker 8: Well, dirty kickoffs, that's what we're that's what we're getting
• 14:29
  Speaker 8: to try to find something that they do well.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: And Fred, I'm glad you brought that up, ev because
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: you had a question for me yesterday and I didn't
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: have the answer to you know, he was talking because
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: Rabel spoke about the kickoff team is keeping him up
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: watching two hours of film because they've been so effective,
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: you know, pinning team's average starting position for opponents for
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: the Panthers through three weeks is the twenty one yard line.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: So that's that's really good in this in this day
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: and age. With the thirty five yard touchback and all
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: the returns.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: That's because if their average return is sixteen yards, that
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: means you know, they are kicking you know, inside the five.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: So that's a that's a good coverage unit.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: I guess the key has been what Evan said, that
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: dirty kickoff where they making the returner field it on bounce,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: on the bounce and not necessarily always fielding it properly.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that that means that kicker has a good
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: accuracy because easily those balls can bounce out of bounds,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: you know, you end up on.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: The forty or it's all the kicker.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all the kicker. And good kicker is good.
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: At kickoffs, like that's what because you have to land
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: it in the landing zone too, so you can't truly
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: squib it right. You have to get some air under
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: it to get it into the landing zone and then
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: have it bounce.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So they did.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: Frable said they spend yet two hours of film on
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: Tuesday night trying to come up with how they're going
• 15:47
  Speaker 8: to handle that. And I'm Jeremy Springer is going to
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: talk here in thirty minutes, and I'm sure that's going
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: to be all the questions are going to be about it,
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: So that that's a big part of them. And they
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: turn the ball over on defense. They have produced some
• 16:00
  Speaker 8: turnovers on defense, certainly against Penix last week, had two
• 16:03
  Speaker 8: picks on Penix. So if you're looking for how they
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: won thirty to nothing, I did turnovers.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't their offense. I mean, let's be
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Bryce Young had one hundred and twenty yards throwing.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: That's not usually what happens when you scored thirty points.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: You know, they scored other ways.
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they had a pick six and then they also
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: had an interception return that went into deep into Atlanta territory.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: You know, they.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Otherwise known as twenty twenty one Patriots offense.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I felt like twenty twenty two.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're not We're not too worried about the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: offensive power, but we're worried about, you know, our starting
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: position and kickoffs, and we're worried about their defense a
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: I just think these are two teams that are in
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: the same part of the league, I mean, trying to
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: prove themselves and climb out of the lower third, and these.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Kind of games just I think come down to mistakes
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: and those.
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, you saw it last week with Atlanta's game,
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: or they were game against Atlanta.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: You saw with the Patriots last week.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: When the teams Brable talks about bad football, which team
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: is going to take advantage of bad football? Last week,
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: the Steelers took advantage of the Patriots bad football.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: So that to me is the bottom line.
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: Just try to force them into mistakes and then when
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: you get them, take advantage of them.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan says, I understand people's reservations on Young because
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: of his a typical size, but he's pretty good creator
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: on the move and throws over the middle quite well,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: much better than Kyler. Actually, the weapons in Carolina aren't
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: very good, but the old line protected pretty well against
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the falcons. Are we writing him off too much? Rice Young?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we're writing him off. I just
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to be taking that next
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: step toward he's one of the better quarterbacks in the league.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: He's established himself. I think there's still going to be
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: you said it, Mike, there's still questions about Kyler Murray,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: whether or not he is actually worth continuing to build around.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that Bryce Young has gotten to
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a level that even Kyler Murray has. I agree with
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: the description, though, I think Evan talked about that on Tuesday.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I think does maybe yesterday about the middle of the field.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: He's he is effective throwing in the middle, and he
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: can get off platform and make places he kind of
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: has to.
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: I don't see the off platform thing. I think he
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: definitely can throw to the middle of the field, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: he's a quick processor underneath and gets the ball out
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: pretty quickly, so that that's really their game. And the
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: catch and run throws, especially the teed have been there
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: a little bit so far to start the season. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: I don't see him as like this off script, off
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: platform type of guy because he doesn't have the arm
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: talent for it, so like when he gets outside the pocket,
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: I just don't really see him making throws down the
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: field from outside the pocket very often. Now, he did
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: run for a touchdown in the red zone last week,
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: but it was like, I don't know, like a five
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: yard touchdown run or something like that, so you know
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: there is some element of that. But he if you
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: like him throw in rhythm to the middle of the field,
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: he can be effective. But if you take that away,
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: I don't really know what else they have.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Stacey says. The Panthers seem to struggle to stop the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: run so far this year, and Bryce Sung has had
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: trouble against the sguised defensive coverage. With that said, offensively,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: do you think the Patriots will primarily rely on the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: ground game? And defensively through three games, the Patriots have
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: leaned on zone coverage. But with Gonzo being back, do
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you think they'll focus more on mixing up the defensive looks?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So ground game a lot of that ground and pound.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't say a lot.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: I just say, you know, continue to try to stay balanced,
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: don't get one handed, and you know, just try to
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: throw the ball all over the field.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's just as.
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: Much reason to want to attack their passing game as
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: there is their rushing attack.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Not a great team.
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: The defensive stats you can look across, there's plenty to target,
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: So just focus on yourself and executing your offense and
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: doing what you want to do. Man coverage wise, I
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: just do they have the talent that's necessarily going to
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: make you want to play matchups or can you you
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: just say our dbs are better than their receivers. Let's
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: just play sides and you know, not get not get
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: over complicated with it.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure.
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, they'll always mix a man in Caroline is
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: a heavy z own team too, Drake seen a lot
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: of that, So.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: They've played a lot more man. The Patriots have played
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: a lot more man over the last two weeks than
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: they did in the opener, So those numbers are starting
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: to to skew back to where you might expect based
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: off of their personnel with them playing more man to man.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: So I don't know if that is. You know, the
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: numbers might still be a little bit. We're only working
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: with the three game sample size, so I would say
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: that they've played more man, especially against Pittsburgh where it
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: was Carlon Davis on DK and Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That was the game.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: I noticed, Yeah, that that was really it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: So I could see it though this week playing a
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: lot more man again because like I keep saying, it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: really Ted that scares you. And even with Carlon Davis,
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: I feel like he matches up pretty well against Ted
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: and it can probably play well.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: We need to know what how many reps they plan
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for Ganzo. Is he going to be a full participant
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in the game or is he just going to do
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: spot duty?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I would think he's a full participant in
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: the game if he's active for the game. I don't
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: know that corner is not generally a position. You do
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: that a lot. If you look back at like the
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: snap counts after every game, the two starting corners are
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: either at one hundred or they maybe had a like
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: a short yardage play that one or one or two
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: of them came off the field. They generally play one hundred.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: That the starting corners play one hundred percent of the snaps. Yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Now maybe you want to say, well, we're not going
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to have him in the starting lineup, We're going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: have him as a third corner. I don't think that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense with him. I think if
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: he's good enough to play, and I think he's going
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent if he plays, so I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: would I would have him out there as much as
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: he can take. In terms of his conditioning, like Mike
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: talked about, Yes, I mean that that would need to
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: be monitored, but I wouldn't go in with an idea
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of well, I'm gonna have him on third downs, Like,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I would have him ready to play full time, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: then if he you know, if he's tired or whatever,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: he needs a blow, then you give him a rest.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Especially with Buffalo waiting next week, like to get him
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: as much experience and snaps as you can to to
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: try to prepare a little bit for that matchup.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, Terrence from Colt's Territory says a longtime listener has
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: questions for each of us except for Alex. I'm sorry
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they left you out, he says. Fred. What's the scene
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like in Tampa Bay? The wife and I will be
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: there for the game against the Bucks. Any good eating
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: spots or team events. I mean, I don't know, as
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: My first trip to Tampa Bay.
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: Actually Elite press box, but like, if you know Barryon,
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: siong or anyone out there knows of any parties going
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: on in Tampa Bay, let us know and we'll pass
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: along the news.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: If you can get a reservation for Burns. It's one
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of the best steakhouses in the country. Uh so I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: would always recommend that cover that. I don't even know
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: if your salary.
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: There's some good coffee shops. Yeah, a coffee shop called Grove.
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: It got destroyed by like one of the most recent hurricanes.
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: I don't know if they've rebuilt, but good coffee shops.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I mean I used to go to school there, but
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that was forty years ago, so everything's changed.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: You went to like Mon's Venus though, when you went
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to Never, No Never, No Never. Dude, are you speaking
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: of Elite Dude?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Are you confident the secretary secondary will turn things around
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: when Gonzo comes.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Backh ish Ish very paul like response.
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I mean, I want to see Craig
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: Woodson develop, and you know, I want to see Jalen
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: Hawkins kind of fit into his role.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I've fel it'll be better.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: I just I don't know how it's all going to
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: flush out with Charles Woods Marcus Jones. You know, once
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: they settle into what they've got, but if they keep
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: getting pressure up front, I don't I don't think it
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: matters all that much.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: So I'm not worried, but I want to see what
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it looks like.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Evan. Yes, well, adding Chisholm and giving Henderson more carries
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: make the offense more dynamic.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: More dynamic, Yeah, that's the question. Adding Chishm is not
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: going to make the offense more dynamic. It might make
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: them more situationally aware, like you know, it might make
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: them more detailed, but I don't think it's going to
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: make them more explosive, like that's not his game.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: But about more reliable.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Oh sure, Yeah, I think we're on the same page there. Yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: Like I think fourth and one with the game on
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: the line, like this chishom just charged forward and pick
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: up the first down.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Maybe.
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I have a question, Okay, why are I feel
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: like all the narrative with the receiving core is like,
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: get Chisholm more involved.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Why not Kyle Williams or Digs Hmm.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Interesting, Yeah, it's a valid point.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Williams. Yeah, I like it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: Like Chisholm's the buzzword receiver right now, the.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Unknown like the summer boom. We had that summer flame
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: within Chisholm and man, it was going great.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: And you know, I just like to see something season archetype,
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: and he fits fits the suit of what they.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Think.
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: He's the next Edelman or Amondola, and they want to
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: see him play. And I I think that there's some
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: truth to the fact that he plays like those guys
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: Like I'm not trying to, like, you know, say that
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: there's no evidence of that whatsoever. But I think what
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: we're seeing with Trevon Henderson, like to the email or
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: like it's doing it against backups in the preseason is
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: not the same as doing it on Sundays in September.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: It's just it's a different game.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: People, And you're right, but people just want to see.
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: Sure, you know Kenny do it, but you know Henderson
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: had a big game in Minnesota too against their backups,
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: and Chisholm had a huge game against their backups. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: then Henderson's gotten into the regular season and it's not
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: been the same.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And to Alex's point, Kyle Williams and Diggs are there
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: out of the.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I don't want to leave Booty out of it either.
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: I feel like him and Diggs have been really reliable
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: when you need them to make a play, and so
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: we can't give him a little more.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, Paul did the wide receiver stats yesterday. It's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: clear that, you know, we need to get our wide
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: receivers more productive. It can't all be tight ends uh
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and throws out of the backfield to running backs. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's a maybe a point of emphasis for Josh.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: I'd like to see Kyle Williams.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: I think that the little that we have seen of him,
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: I've liked the routes that he's been running. I think
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: he's getting open and uh, you know, adds a speed
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: and more dynamic outside the numbers element that they don't
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: really get out of Hollins or Booty. So I would
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: like to see more Kyle Williams specific.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Those three guys, Booty Williams and Diggs, every time they've
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: thrown the ball to them or every time they've been involved,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: is that they've generally done what they were supposed to do.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: You can make an argument with Douglas and with Hollands
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it hasn't always looked great when those guys have been involved.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: So you have three guys that seemingly are doing what
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to do. I would like to see what
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: it looks like when they get those guys more involved
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: rather than you know, wholesale changes in and out. Now
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: chishom goes in and Douglas goes out. It's fine. Douglas
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: hasn't been overly productive. So if you think Chisholm can do,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: you know, as a you know, fourth or fifth option,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: more than what Douglas is doing, then I don't. I
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have any opposition to see in what it looks like.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: You think the coaching staff like waits a certain amount
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: of time before they really start to think about making changes,
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: giving players enough of a sample size too.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: This guy might be up and down Chishm.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: In particular, and I thought it was interesting some of
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the stuff that I read because I was not in
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: on Evan. You might have been last time we had
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: offensive coaches. I think Todd Downing talked about he's not
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: really ready yet, like they're working with him on the
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: outside a little bit, trying to get.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: Him more versatile.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's coming. I think that I don't think
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: that they've like closed the door on Eft and Chisholm.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I just don't feel like they think he's ready yet.
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: Ye.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's more about versatility.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: Like he's a slot only player, and so if you
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: are going to have Pop be your slot guy and
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: then Diggs is also going to play a little bit
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: inside Diggs, it's like where, you know, where do the
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: snaps come? Did you know that from from Chisholm? You know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: where do you play unless you bench Pop?
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Like that's really it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: But I think the only thing with the receivers that
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: stands out to me is they've been very situational. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: I think that that's partially Josh, Like I think he's
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: always going to kind of be that way, but uh
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: there you know, Pop is only on the field for
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: like fifteen percent of their run plays, eighty six percent
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: of his snaps have been past plays, so now they
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: would be seven seven percent of his plays have been
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: past plays. So they're really like they have their run
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: players and then they have their past players, and that's
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: like where you're seeing them. You know, divvy up the
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: snaps between Holland's booty digs and pop.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupted. I think that's a really good point.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: If that's an area that they think Chisholm might be
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: able to help them, I'd be interested in that too,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: because he is a little he's more, he gives more
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: physicality than to Mario Douglas. He's a little bigger, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: he does play, as Vrabel said all summer with with
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: good play strength. So if he can be on the
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: field and you can run the ball more when he's
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: on the field, that could be an advantage for the
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: offense that you don't get with to Mario Douglas. I again,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what it looks like too.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Final question goes to Paul favorite Drew Bledsoe game.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Mine is the ninety nine comeback against the Colts at
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Old Foxboro Stadium. Ben Coates had a monster game.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Oh that's a that's an underrated kind of forgotten that
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: miracle comeback game. Yeah, that was my second ever game
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: working for Freddy. I would say, back to my two
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: favorites of they're back to back games, but I'm going
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to go if I have to pick just one, it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: the Miami comeback on a Monday night with the broken
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: finger and the touchdown passed to Sean Jefferson. Now next
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: week they did the same thing yep, to Buffalo, but
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: that was a little fluky because of the pass interference
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: in the end zone that gave him the untied down
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: and then he threw the touchdown to Ben Coates to
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: win the game. It was a back to back weeks.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I know will come back. I was in the stands
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: bro Okay, I remember those games.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: He had literally had a pin drink. He broke his
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: finger and he had a pinch him. TA came out.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And then in the third sequence of that game, they
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: went to Saint Louis to play the Rams.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: For like three hundred yards, but then came out.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: He couldn't have to game the game. They had to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: take it out, take him out of the game, but
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: he was That was a tough performance those three games
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: by by Paul's Guy surgery though it's yeah, Cody uh
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: is out of Indianapolis. He says, I don't know if
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it's the PTSD from the last few years, but this
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: game feels trappy. If the strength of Carolina is turning
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the ball over on defense, then it seems like they
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: might be getting New England right at the at the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: exact right time. Vrabel has them ready to come out
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of the gates quickly. Also, he says he's owed a
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: T shirt Matt.
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: Matt, does it feel trappy if Carolina just won a
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: trap game?
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: Though?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: But can you can you be a team coming off
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: four wins and track Usually draft games are for good team.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: To the bill, but it is where to be.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: They forced for five turnovers, so I'm not necessarily willing
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: to say that that's like, that's what they did last game.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: It's like the Patriots. Are the Patriots turnover prolane? Or
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: do they turn it over five times last game? I
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: mean we're hoping.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I said. It's too early to define
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a team as who they are ye going into week four?
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, that's and that goes back to like, at
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: what point do you say it's too early to start
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: to make changes? We need to give guys a little
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: bit of leeway to make some mistakes and maybe have
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: a bad game and then bounce back from it, rather
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: than right out of the gate game three, you don't
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: play well, you have a couple drops or turnovers to whatever.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Age when you're one and two, there's not a trap game.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I mean they might. I'm not telling you they cannot
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: lose this game, like they physically can't better not, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: it's not going to because if it's a trap game, yeah, no,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Like they're one and two and they've won three of
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: their last nineteen home games.
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: Now, and that's I mean, it just feels weird to
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: be the favorite and to say like we have to win.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: That's what feels weird to me, not that it's like
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: a trap game like that. There's a tiny bit of expectation.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Buffalo's hosting New Orleans this week.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: They're looking ahead to the Patriot.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I don't care who, they're just looking ahead to what.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Happened Buffalo team is, do you know what I'm saying?
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Like that would be a trap if they were to
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: lose at home to New Orleans. They suffered you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: teen and a half point favorites, right, that's a trap game.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Buffalo might be the new team that plays home every week.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Then is starting to feel like it that offense.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: I watched that tape this morning, Dolph.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: All just like Paul tries to take me seriously.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: No, I'm actually thinking because like the Denver one is hilarious.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: It gets me. It makes me laught literally every time.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: But sometimes you do those and like they've been on
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the road three weeks ago or something like that. But
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I was like, who the Buffalo play last week?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: They played at home at night?
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Right, I think against Miami.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Played at home against Miami on the Thursday night.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: It was Monday night.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, eight five five pats on the hot one.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I literally just watched it, Okay, literally, Yeah, let's go
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to Brad in Ohio. What's up Brad.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Thursday night?
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: You have me either way observation in questions here for you.
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: First of all, one of the things it's kind of
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: been alarming, as the Trevion Henderson usage and the way
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: calling seems redundant when he's in there. And so I'm
• 34:12
  Speaker 15: a little bit concerned because every time I got touched.
• 34:14
  Speaker 16: As the ball he gets I mean like it really hard.
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: And then as pass blogging obviously been a question, you know, and.
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: He's supposed to be good at that, and I felt
• 34:25
  Speaker 16: like Donovan Edwards was the same kind of player. So
• 34:29
  Speaker 16: I'm wondering about that pick at the second round pick,
• 34:32
  Speaker 16: I mean, considering what we've seen so far. And then
• 34:37
  Speaker 16: I wondered if Fan and Junior I mean not to
• 34:40
  Speaker 16: be hypothetical, but seemed like tight in depth might be
• 34:43
  Speaker 16: something we have a problem with too. And then I
• 34:45
  Speaker 16: agree with Alex completely that we should start incorporating Williams
• 34:52
  Speaker 16: into the offense more. I mean, the guys delite and
• 34:57
  Speaker 16: we're not even giving him a chance to play. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 16: think he should take I hate to say this pops
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: place earlier on the So what do you guys think
• 35:06
  Speaker 16: about that?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Well, the first thing ish Trevion Henderson's usage.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean I agree that I'd like
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: to see him be able to get into space a
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: little bit more.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, we were watching that game last week and
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: felt like he was taking a ton of contact that
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: doesn't really seem slippery inside the hole, like just seems
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: like he.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Kind of goes just straightforward, lowers the shoulder.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, I like the physicality that he tries to
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: play with, but it's concerning that he's going to hold
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: up just say he's a rookie. It's been three games.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: I think Josh is creative. There's going to be a
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: chance for him to make some plays going forward. But
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: I agree with the general sentiment that a lot of
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: and I think I saw his carry chart two where
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: it was all just kind of the same kind of
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: carries off to the left side of the line, So
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: I mean they've.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Been trying to get screens going too, it's just he's been.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Aware of that is a little different. The second half
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: of the game against Pittsburgh, to me, is not necessarily
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: like he was the guy the other two guys run
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on the bench after frumbling and he was taking the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: regular early down carries and Henderson is not generally in
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: my this is just my opinion. I don't think he's
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: in between the tackles, consistent between the tackles option, but
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: he had to get the regular run plays like as
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Evan always talks about, like you know, the gap and
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: duos and all the you know, that's I don't think
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: that's his game. And you guys both pointed out he
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: was really sort of not seeing it really well and
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: running like right into the first tackler that he could
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: find and trying to like punish guys. I don't think
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: that suits him, but I don't necessarily look at that
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: as like, what's Josh McDaniel's doing. They had no choice
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: last week. They had to adjust on the fly. They
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: decided Stevenson and Gibson weren't getting any more carries. Yeah,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and that's why I think he ended up with eleven
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: carries in that game. Yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's important to remember too that
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: even though Trevan Henderson came in with a lot of
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: praise for his pass blocking, remember how long it took
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: a lot of these guys to develop. You know, James White,
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: I remember him in the in the twenty fifteen AFC
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: Championship where he had like fifteen targets only caught like
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: six of them. It felt like, man, there's what's going
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: on here. And then of course cut to a year later,
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: he's a huge part of the offense. He's, you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: arguably one of the guys that helped them win that
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: Super Bowl when they came from behind scored points.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: So it might take a little time with him, maybe it's.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: It's the fault of returning the first kickoff of the preseason,
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: and expectations were through the roof, and every time we
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: saw him play this spring or summer, it was like, Wow,
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: this is impressive.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: He glides, he runs at a different level. He has
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: some electricity to his game, and I think we're all
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: hoping to see that at some point.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Well, when's the last time we saw a Patriots running
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: back And I know this was a kickoff, but not
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: get caught from behind?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I mean Gibson didn't either.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Oh that's true, he did outrun the cover.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Wow, hope.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: I don't think Trayvon Henderson's problem is predictability or play
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: calling or anything like that. Game's moving a little fast
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: form right now. I think the reads and the processing
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: and the vision between the tackles is not where it
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: needs to be yet for him to be, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: a workhorse or lead back or whatever you want to
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: call it. I just don't think he's there yet.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: I do think that there's still a ton of value
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: in just getting his speed on the field and using
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: his speed, probably more in the passing game and the
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: run game. But even if it's just a decoy or something.
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: Just to have that level of dimension to the offense
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: I think is important. But he's got a long way
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: to go as a between the tackles runner, like Paul is.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: So in thirty two touches for Stevenson so far in
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the season, thirty for Henderson. So like, I know, there's
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: been a lot of talk and the three of us
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: have sort of looked at each other like what are
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: we missing? Like every game the game ends and it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: like they got to get Stevenson the ball more, And
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, did I not see all these these times
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: that he has the ball in his hands? And I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: not giving up on him by it. We talked about
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: this yesterday. When you guys leave us, Fred niet Real
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: still talk about football. We still talk about football sometimes
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: when even when you guys leave us just shot and
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I'm by far not even thinking about giving up on
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: this guy. But he has gotten some opportunity so far,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: and it's been what's the production has been?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: To be kind modest, But let me ask a question,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: because we've talked about Henderson, you know, not really seeing
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the you know, not having the vision and just running
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: into the first tackler. I remember youth football. And I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: know that's youth football, but like running backs, including myself,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: like being yelled at hit the hole. I don't care,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: don't you know, just hit the.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Whole foot down and yeah.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And maybe like when you're first starting out, do you
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: think they're like trust your blockers. And now he hasn't
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: like freelanced yet, but I wish.
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: If he would trust his blockers, like he's he's not
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: being patient enough to let the blocking develop, right, and
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: he's just going one hundred miles an hour into the
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. Yeah, so if he's gonna just kind
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: of fall the blocking, I hear what you're saying.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: But he's got to tempo the run.
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: He's got to pace the run better because what he's
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: doing is he's running into the back of his offensive
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: lineman before they can even get into the blocks. So,
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: you know, I was actually talking to Demandre Stevenson about
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: this a couple of weeks ago, and the differences between
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: running out of the shotgun and running from what they
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: call the dot, you know, and the backfield they're under center.
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: The under center runs typically don't have as much like
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: freedom to kind of cut and you know, survey and
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: things like that it's more just get downhill and hit
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: the hole.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: But if you're gonna do that, there's still like a
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: pacing to it that you don't want.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: You don't want to come out of the blocks at
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: one hundred miles an hour.
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: You want to kind of tempo the run so that
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: the blocking can develop and then hit the hole. So
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: I think right now for Henderson he's just it's all
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: moving pretty fast for him, and he's just one hundred
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: miles an hour with no brakes, and it's just not
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: developing a lot, not letting the plays develop.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: We just see some jump cuts though from him this
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: summer that I.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: Thought, oh yeah, talk about well that's what us excited. Yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: he does have that ability.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: We know he's got the ability. Yeah, just he's not
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: doing it yet. Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: The only thing that concerns me a little bit is
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: that this was the book on him at Ohio State
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: as well, was that he doesn't really have the best
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: vision between the tackles and Paul's brought up quin Shawn
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Jenkins a bunch of times, like they kind of brought
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: in Judkins to put Henderson in more of like a
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: space spell back role on purpose, and like I think
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: that's who he is, and that's not like a knock
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: if he could be really good in that role, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: to deuce his point pass protection, site adjustments, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: those types of things can all kind of take time.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Sure, David writes in he says, the discourse online seems
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that Panthers think this is an easy win for them.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering where they're getting this confidence from. Does the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: league still look at this team the way they have
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the last two years? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's like.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Just the same exactly, we're looking at this as a win, right,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: We're doing the same same thing.
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: Their coach did have some interesting comments. I don't know
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: if that's what he's talking about about. They they don't
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: do very much, don't do much, but they do it
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: very well.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah that comment, Yeah, so.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Was that aimed at the Patriots generally or yeah, no, generally.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: He was going back to Tennessee. He was saying, yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: they don't they don't do a lot, but they do
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: it exceptionally well. And I didn't really look at it
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: that way. I thought that was kind of surprising to hear.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Canalis say that I agree with that?
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it could have just been coach speak
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: like it's.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Respectful and it's an it's bulletin board material.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: It's not about the disrespects.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of I.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Think it's opposite.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I think that they searching here, guys. Come on.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I think he gave it too much. I think they
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: do a lot of different things, and some of them
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: they haven't well right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: I think they do a bunch of different things schematically,
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: but like he said that they play like good clean football.
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: It's like, did you watch this team last week? They
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: turned the ball over five times? Not exactly, so I
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: think it might have just been a little bit of
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: coach speak on.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's just talking about operational.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: That hasn't been like I just felt.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Like twelve men on the field, you know.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, but there's been a lot of sloppiness.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Penalty.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ed in Tallahassee. If the Patriots do not beat
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the Panthers on Sunday, then the Patriots have declared the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: remainder of their season.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, Oh okay, it's not entirely wrong. I mean,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: it might be knee jerk, but you're probably staring at
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: one in four. Yeah, it's tough to come out of
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: that hole.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I mean what I've seen too is with three home
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: losses too.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, right, And just my experience in the last
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: two years was that it's hard. It gets harder, it
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: gets harder to dig out of those holes, like the
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: more it's hard to keep everybody on the same page.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: It's hard to keep the locker room like the losing
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: season snowball on you. That's one of the biggest things
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: I've learned the last two seasons. Every week gets worse.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And what's the number one thing heading into the season
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: that we were all concerned about the lack of depth? Yeah, yeah,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: So that hasn't really reared its head yet because they've been,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: as Evan pointed out, relatively healthy minus Gonzo, which is
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: a huge I'm not saying, well, that's nothing, but there's
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: there are teams that are missing five and six starters
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: in these games, and the Patriots have been missing one
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: very important one, but one, I mean backs.
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: Carolina's missing two starting offensive linemen. They're starting center and
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: right guard. They're on backups at both positions, and you
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: know they have injuries on the injury report and they
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: they're already going through it too.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Norrie from Arizona, wondering if there's a need
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: or an urgency to have a couple of offensive guys
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: involved in the offense sooner than later. I saw a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: tweet from Mike Reese that Trevion Henderson was the first
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and tackling ball carrier drills during yesterday's practice. To me,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: that indicates they're looking to get him more involved in
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the offense. I was thinking initially they were looking to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: ease him into the offense early on. In the second
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: half of the season, he would be used more. Hence,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that's why we likely have been seeing more of Stevenson
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: involved in these first three games. Well, listen, if if
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is true and what Mike res tweeted
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: out is accurate, and that he's the first guy in
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: the drill, maybe it is a sign that he's going
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to be the lead back.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't look into it, but if it changes every day.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: But if if that's what it is, why would you
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: think the reason for that would.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Be because of the fumbling.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Correct? Yes, not because they're looking to get Henderson more.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's like, yeah, it's not it's a
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: need because of the fumbling.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Right, That's that's what I'm I just like I I
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: would like, you know, maybe we'll go out there today
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and we'll see if it's the same order.
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: But like I would venture to guess that that that
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: is not a particular order that I think guys get
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: get in line and it just like and.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Pop about that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I I in general, this is not It's more circumstantial
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: than you think this is.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: They do this drill every single practice, No, I know
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: they do, and like just judging from all the practices,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: it's usually the top dog is.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: The top starters are usually up front. Like I would
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: say those three guys are starters. They wouldn't raise an
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: eyebrow to me for Gibson, Stevenson or Henderson. Those are
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the three running backs. I mean Marcus Jones, Jennings. I've
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: seen Marcus.
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: Jones do this drill, like as an offensive player. He's
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: not playing offense.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: So like I does the drill, but does he do
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: it and he's the first one out of the shoot.
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: I just don't think the order matters. Like I I've
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: been one, Like we watch it all summer, Like I know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: so like I did you take into account, like did
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: you think about the order?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I always noticed that, like the top dog in the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in the room is usually the first guy.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Okay, I don't like, I don't think Gigs is always
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: the first receiver through the drill.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think he has been either, And I don't
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: think that he's been their top receiver, Like I don't.
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: but that's something that I think we need to, like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: let's see what it is. If it's the same as
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: it was yesterday today, then maybe there's something.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Mike thought it was notable.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: There's just so much a practice because it is notable.
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they don't want us to see the really notable
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: stuff they're doing.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: I think that type of stuff.
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: That's sort of my point is like if they made
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: it that predictable that every single time the person that
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: first running back into the drill is the starting running
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: back on a week like this, it just doesn't seem
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: like something that they would do it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: And I do think it's notable this week because of
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: the fumble situation. I do think there's a chance that
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Henderson led that drill off because he's going to be
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: getting the first carry on on Sunday.
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: Those are the two storylines of chances there are the
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: two storylines. I don't get right now, you said the
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: numbers he touched the ball thirty times. I don't know
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: what the people are claiming for him to touch the
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: ball every single snap of the game, Like, I don't
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: understand what that means. And then I also don't understand this.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: Stefon Diggs needs to play more on the slot, like
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: I mean with that was that was a storyline yesterday
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: too where it's like he's played half his.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Snaps in the slot, Like you don't want Stefon Diggs
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: to be an.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Exclusive slot when they have three receivers on the field,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: he slides in, Yeah, which is great, so when you
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: only have two on the field.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: Slot to be had, but that's like a good sign
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: that he's able to play inside and outside. If he's
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: just playing in the slot only, it's a much worse sign.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: And again, he's playing there a bunch, So I don't
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: I don't get.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Where they line up, just worry about where they end up.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Van can make me, you know if I'm wrong on this,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Like I kind of feel like Diggs has been more
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: or less like in the traditional slot and when Douglas
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: is in there. It's almost kind of like, yeah, so
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Edelman played like if that's totally wrong, you won't hurt
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: my feelings.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: So there's Z.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: It's just it's just easier to just describe it with
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: the letters.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: So there's X, Z and F.
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: Okay, so X and the Z receiver are your base receivers.
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: The F receiver is the pure slot. That's the Danny
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: am Mondola. That's the guy that comes in in three
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: receiver sets and obvious pass and plays purely in the slot. Douglas, Yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: Edelman is a Z like Edelman was a flanker, move receiver.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: He was a Z piece. He played a lot on
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: base offense.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: Diggs has played more in the zerole, so he's more
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: like Edelman, right, and then Pop is more in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: F role. He's more like a Mondola. The X role
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: has been a lot of Matt Collins and Kishon Booty.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: Now they've had a lot of formations now too where
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: it's Booty and Hollins, but those have been more like
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: run based formation, twelve personnel.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: We're loading up to run the football.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: So Pop to me is like got one, really, Danny
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: a Mondola Now, not the same skill set as Danny
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: A Mondola, but that's the role of the offense that
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: he is playing.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Dominique is in New York. What's up? Dominique?
• 49:36
  Speaker 17: Hey y'all, how you doing?
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 49:39
  Speaker 17: First, foremost, I want to shout out the stand club
• 49:42
  Speaker 17: section or the fan section on your site. Obviously, I'm
• 49:45
  Speaker 17: out here in New York City and I've been able
• 49:46
  Speaker 17: to actually find some good pass bars, one being East Point,
• 49:50
  Speaker 17: So thank you for putting that together. It's finally nice
• 49:52
  Speaker 17: to be around some other people room for the Pats. Second,
• 49:56
  Speaker 17: I wanted to call it something real quick. I feel
• 49:57
  Speaker 17: like we talk about a little bit, not so much,
• 50:00
  Speaker 17: but the linebacking group. I'm kind of unsure what to.
• 50:04
  Speaker 18: Make of it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 17: I know, Roberts Blaine, you know how the first you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 17: a couple of rough weeks, But beyond that, I'm trying
• 50:10
  Speaker 17: to figure out who does what well? Like is given
• 50:14
  Speaker 17: good in between for like coverage and run stopping. Is
• 50:17
  Speaker 17: blame more of just run stopping? What does martin mate do?
• 50:20
  Speaker 17: What is the combination of linebackers that can help make
• 50:23
  Speaker 17: sure this team actually looks I guess decent in that area,
• 50:26
  Speaker 17: especially when it comes to coverage. I think that's been
• 50:28
  Speaker 17: a concern that I've noticed in the first couple of games.
• 50:31
  Speaker 17: I know, we haven't seen a larger ponder. I'm not
• 50:33
  Speaker 17: really sure of what he does. I'm not saying put
• 50:34
  Speaker 17: him in, but what combination looks best? Who does what well?
• 50:40
  Speaker 17: And I guess what would you Let's see from that
• 50:41
  Speaker 17: group moving forward as well, and I'll.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Take it off.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Thanks, all right, thanks Dominique, Landry, just keep doing what
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: you're doing.
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: That's I mean, well, Landry had been ponder our edge
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: guys like they're on the line of scrimmage players. But
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: like Explain, I thought was playing a lot better in
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: this past game because they were using him moving forward,
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: read and react, go, get the football, less in man coverage,
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: less in high leverage zone. So like they really kind
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: of played him to his straints. And I think that
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: that's true with all these linebackers. I don't think they
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: have an all purpose linebacker that's good at everything.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: I think they have a.
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: Guys that just like Bill would do, where they have
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: situational roles or roles that you know. I think Splain
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: is more of a run stopping linebacker. I think Ellis
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: can play a little bit more in the past game
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: and maybe it'll be a little bit more coverage oriented.
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: Maphu's a converted safety, so he's definitely more of a
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: coverage player. But I think right now the problem that
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: they're finding themselves in is that they don't have linebackers
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: that are kind of well rounded. So you can get
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: Splain in coverage, and then you can take advantage of
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: splaying coverage, or you can get Ellis at the point
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: of attack in the run game and you can run
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: Ellis over you know, map who's not going to play
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: in a run situation. So I think that's where they're
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: getting picked on, is can we get the running back
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: on Splaine? You know, we like that matchup if Ellis
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: is on the field, you know, let's run it weak
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: and let's run it at Ellis and then we like
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: that matchup.
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: So it's a that's where they're getting beat right now.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: The mix some dugger into is you know, covering tight
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: ends him and Mapu, and that just speaks to the
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: specialization that you're kind of talking about. We said yesterday,
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: what's something you would look at next year, Like trying
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: to find that every down linebacker I think would really
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: be a huge key for this defense to.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Tie it all together.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, I like Splain, but you know, we'll see
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: how he continues to progress. But how's Jelani Tavai fit into.
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: I think that's part of this equation, and I wouldn't
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: be surprised. We talked about it yesterday. I'd see him
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: come in and you know, really be in every down
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: player next to Splaine. I think he's got the skill
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: set to do it and has some versatility, more size
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: than than ellis harder to run at.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: But we'll see how they fit him in. He's an
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: interesting player.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Dan and Virginia and Michigan writes. Paul noted that the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: offense last Sunday was like pulling teeth, and Evan has
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: noted the lack of big plays so explode plays right
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Excellent.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: So what is the reason. What is the reason for
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: the lack of dynamic offense? Is Josh still stuck in
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a strategy of death by a thousand cuts? Are no
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: receivers getting open deep? Or is made not seeing them
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: when they do get open deep?
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: I don't think they have a third dimension to the
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: offense right now. I think that's the biggest thing they
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: don't have a deep passing game. I personally think that
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: that's personnel. I like, who on the roster besides Kyle
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: Williams really brings a down the field element. So they're
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: running a lot of wheels and seams and things like
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: that out of the backfield to try to get these
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: tight ends and running backs vertical and try to hunt
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: matchups in the middle of the field to hit big plays.
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: They've hit chunks, they just haven't hit that, you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: fifty sixty yard bomb. They hit the one to Remandre,
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: but even that was like a twenty five yard pass
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: that turns into a fifty five yard pass. So I
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: think that's what's missing from the offense right now. From
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: that standpoint, They're not terrible in terms of twenty plus
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: yard gains, but their twenty plus yard gains are only
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: gaining twenty yards at a time. They're not gaining fifty
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: yards on their explosive plays.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Dan's other question, I think he had it a little
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: bit wrong. He says in the postgame show and Tuesday's show,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the fumbles were put down to players trying to do
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: too much. It was no just Drake Drake May's Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Ramandre Stevenson wasn't trying to do too much. You talked
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to the offensive, but Drake, especially in that one play,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: it looked like he was trying to get heroes. Yeah, yeah,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: there goes out.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: I agree with Fred's summation of that. I think we
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: all mentioned that Drake needs to stop those plays when
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: they're over.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they stopped trying to do they feel mental errors.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: To me, they feel the other.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Three fumbles were not an example of trying to do
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: too much.
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: Drake's interception too, which is they felt like he rushed it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: He had the time, he has the throw, he just
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: you know, gets excited, and I think that's hopefully part
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: of the experience thing that'll calm down a little bit.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: So Evan's off to the locker room.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Josh, Josh, just Josh.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, David's in Florida. What's up, David?
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: When she smirks.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Us, you guys, guy, guys, what's are going good?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: David?
• 55:14
  Speaker 17: I have to uh excuse me.
• 55:16
  Speaker 19: I have to maybe push back a little bit on
• 55:18
  Speaker 19: something that Paul said. I think it was last show
• 55:20
  Speaker 19: or the show before. He was talking about how it
• 55:24
  Speaker 19: seems like the offense has these long, extended drives and
• 55:29
  Speaker 19: he kind of described it as you know it, they're
• 55:31
  Speaker 19: they're putting their all into these drives that aren't doing anything.
• 55:35
  Speaker 19: And I just had a sort of had a question,
• 55:37
  Speaker 19: is like, isn't it a good thing that we have
• 55:38
  Speaker 19: these extended drives that take up time? Obviously not in
• 55:41
  Speaker 19: the end of the game, but I feel like it's
• 55:42
  Speaker 19: good that we have, you know, these extended, long drives
• 55:45
  Speaker 19: that can wear out the defense.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: What I said was, it's it's kind of frustrating that
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: they have these long drives that don't result in points,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: and there are different reasons. The thing that I was
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: sort of arguing with Fred postgame about was last year
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: they would have these drives, and you know, they would
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: have It wasn't every game, but they were games where
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: they moved the ball reasonably well and they would get
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: in position to score and there'd be a holding call
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: or a sack allowed and they would end up with
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: no points. On Sunday, they had these long drives that
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: looked like they were going well and they would get
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: down there and drop the ball. So a different reason
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: for failing. But at the end of the day, you
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: looked in like the Colts game last year, they had
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: like four hundred and twenty two yards of total offense
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: in twenty four points, and you're like, how did how
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: did they only end up with twenty four points on Sunday?
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: You look and you're like three hundred and sixty nine
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: yards of offense but only fourteen points. How did that happen?
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: It was a little bit easier to unidentify why that
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: happened in this game, But I'm wondering, is that just
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: what it is? Like the offense? Yeah, I'm gonna find
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: a way to not score as make points as they should.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I agreed, David. It is a good sign that they're
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: able to sustain it. They just have to finish.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: They had some good drives on Sunday. Yes, they did,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: and that was a good thing. They had one ninety
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: plus yard drive.
• 57:05
  Speaker 19: Were you just referring to Sunday's game or are you
• 57:07
  Speaker 19: talking about overall?
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: No, in general?
• 57:09
  Speaker 19: Maybe I was missing night.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: No, and I'm talking about the offense in general, like
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: under May, I'm talking about Drake Man.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: One of the one of the differences I see in
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: this offense from last year, like when it's third and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: eight or the behind the sticks, I feel like there's
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: hope that they're going to convert.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: I had no hope the last year four years.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had nod hope when May became the quarterback
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: last year they could. They could some of those like
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: you don't convert a lot of.
• 57:33
  Speaker 19: Them when they do have to move the ball quickly.
• 57:35
  Speaker 19: I feel like they do have the ability to with
• 57:37
  Speaker 19: especially on those like third those like third Nates with
• 57:39
  Speaker 19: Diggs and Hollins and Henry and those kind of guys.
• 57:42
  Speaker 13: I feel like they.
• 57:42
  Speaker 19: Are doing that at a significantly better rate than they
• 57:44
  Speaker 19: than they were last year.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 57:47
  Speaker 19: See that, but it just felt like you were you were.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: They did Sunday a little bit. They did that Sunday.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: I'll say that they didn't do it in the first game.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't do it in the second half of the
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: second game.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I have much more hope this year that it's Sunday.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: If we're just going off a Sunday and that's what
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: it is, I agree with you. I have hope.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: But there was building signs in all three games.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Not the first game. Okay, they didn't move the ball
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: in the first game at all.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, that's all I'm saying.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: It's like we're just going off of a very recent
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: track record. Sunday. It's it's obvious they moved the ball
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: on Sunday. Anybody would say I I going to keep
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: saying this year that way.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: But it was this game, Okay, But what I'm telling
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: you they didn't move the ball against the Raiders. They didn't.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I saw a semblance of an offense building
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: towards something. I didn't see that last year. I see
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: that this year, and but building.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: When I'm giving you the facts that they had four
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: different games that they moved the ball far better than
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: they did against the Raiders this year last year. Okay,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: but I gave you that, and you just ignore it.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you because in your mind's eye, you're
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: just saying, it just looks better to me this year.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It looks better to do that too. I can just
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: say it looks better and just you don't have to.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: But I am.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Against Pittsburgh, it looked better. It was better because they
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: moved the ball. As as David said, they had like
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: a ninety six yard drive in that game that resulted
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: in no points. I also that's a great drive.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I also saw at the beginning of the Miami game.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: It looked better.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: The first two drives of the Miami game were.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Outstand I'm seeing semblances of an offense I don't believe
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I saw last year.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but but I would agree in the Pittsburgh game
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  Speaker 3: and in the first half against Miami it was good.
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  Speaker 3: The Raiders game, and the second half against Miami it wasn't.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, Mike Yah, yeah, no, it's accurate, but I but
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  Speaker 7: I still like what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: He's asking you to agree with him now.
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  Speaker 7: If they didn't do if they didn't have production against
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  Speaker 7: the Raiders or in the second half against Miami, which
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  Speaker 7: I would say is accurate, But I still agree with
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  Speaker 7: your general point of despite not being great in the
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  Speaker 7: opener and having a bad second half, I still see
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  Speaker 7: what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: I would say the arrow is pointing up. The most
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  Speaker 3: recent thing we saw was very positive if not for
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  Speaker 3: the turnovers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My fear is we just plugged in the turnovers this
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  Speaker 3: week that replaced the sack or the holding car, and
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be something different. It's going to be
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  Speaker 3: something different because they can't move the ball with any
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  Speaker 3: degree of chunk plays, and you know, Evan keeps talking
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  Speaker 3: about the twenty yard plays, and I think Fred's right
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  Speaker 3: about this. Fred sort of, you know, clap back a
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  Speaker 3: little bit against the explosive plays, Like you're throwing a
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  Speaker 3: screen pass and the running back breaks three tackles and
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  Speaker 3: you get twenty three yards. Now, that's a great play.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's not. But it's not the same
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  Speaker 3: as getting explosive plays. They're working really hard to move
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  Speaker 3: the ball. They don't get a lot of plays like
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  Speaker 3: the third down and sixteen on Sunday against Pittsburgh where
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  Speaker 3: Booty runs an incut and they get twenty yards that
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  Speaker 3: ball was Do you realize they didn't even throw the
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  Speaker 3: ball twenty yards in the air once in the whole
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  Speaker 3: game Sunday. Like, I don't know if you can like
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  Speaker 3: consistently move the ball the way they did Sunday doing it.
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  Speaker 1: That way, if you don't have that thread, it makes
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  Speaker 3: As Fred, but I want to just like I know
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  Speaker 3: Fred thinks that I'm being combative and I'm not on Sundays.
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  Speaker 3: On Sunday, I will take that offense on Sunday, cleaning
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  Speaker 3: up the turnovers obviously every week that offense is good
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  Speaker 21: Yeah, a chance to get back out there and kind
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  Speaker 21: I think some one of those games that you know,
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  Speaker 3: You're talking a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Just chairs do you do you play?
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  Speaker 3: Attention on the stats, that's stuff to.
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  Speaker 21: Be I don't think winning matters to me. I think
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  Speaker 21: that's the main goal with why you play. You know,
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  Speaker 21: I play this this position, why I play the sport. Yeah,
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  Speaker 21: I think, you know, quarterbacks and the ultimate kind of
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  Speaker 21: status is win. So I think that's the biggest thing
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  Speaker 21: that I focus on. And if that's throwing you know,
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  Speaker 21: ten touchdowns in a game, or or throwing one pass
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  Speaker 21: the game is trying to win.
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  Speaker 1: He like throwing up against Christie Gonzalas and.
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  Speaker 21: Practice, Yeah, Gonzo. I mean it's since the day I
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  Speaker 21: got here. You know, it's always good to have somebody
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  Speaker 21: and and him and c V on the other side
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  Speaker 21: of the ball that that make a challenging, that make
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  Speaker 21: it challenging to make throws that don't make it easy.
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  Speaker 21: And I think that's you know, things where we developed
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 21: with guys and on my side of the ball, a
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  Speaker 21: different kind of kind of level like above the next
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 21: you know, when he's making throws difficult, he's making this
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 21: route difficult, you know, back shoulders on on go routes
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  Speaker 21: and little things like that. He's, uh, you know, he's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 21: a great player and I'm looking forward to seeing him,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 21: you know when he gets back. Yeah, I think you know,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 21: he's got some swag with to him. He's always got swags,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 21: so I always, you know, you know, try to find
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 21: time to ask him, Hey, what kind of do up
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 21: my swag? Because I don't have much out there, but
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 21: uh no, Gon's always do you every time. You know,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 21: he's smooth, play smooth, he's patient, he's a he's one
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 21: of the best in the game. So what does it
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 21: mean for the chances to play against your hometown team? Yeah,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 21: I think it's different. Playing up here and you're going
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 21: back to Charlotte would have been different, but you know,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 21: going against the team that grew up watching, you grew
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  Speaker 21: up hering for, and a lot of great memories in
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 21: that stadium back in Making America. So uh yeah, it's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 21: a little different, but at the same time, it's still
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  Speaker 21: you know, just is another week, another week in the NFL,
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  Speaker 21: and you know, the same players that I grew up
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 21: you know, playing for besides the longest snappers still there.
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  Speaker 7: So is it a little encouraging that the mistakes from
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: last week's and turnovers do you view those as.
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  Speaker 21: Relatively easy fixes and are you encouraged by that, Hey,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 21: we can just sol out of the ball.
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  Speaker 18: You know you've got something here.
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  Speaker 21: Yeah, like I said, not beating ourselves, that's the that's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 21: the big thing, and that's the shoot. It's you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 21: it's turnovers. Turnos in this league are such a big deal.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 21: It's one of those things that we yeah, we can
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 21: clean up. I think you hold on the football and
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  Speaker 21: and me hold it on the pocket, and you know,
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  Speaker 21: the running backs is something that I do think is fixable.
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  Speaker 21: I think it's something that you try to overemphasize and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 21: usually when we overhom sized things, you you fix it.
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  Speaker 21: And uh, you know, I think something throughout the week
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 21: is just trying to do the extra little things that
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  Speaker 21: you'll protect it and and me getting you in the pocket.
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  Speaker 21: You'll ensuring two hands on it and just know when
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  Speaker 21: that plays over great.
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  Speaker 7: When you look at this team, whether it's a practice
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: or during the games, do you think about.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: How much better this team can be or maybe it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: should be.
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  Speaker 18: Who you will.
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  Speaker 21: I wouldn't say that. I just you know, trying to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 21: push the guys to get to that level. You know,
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  Speaker 21: I know what we can do, and you still feel
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 21: like we haven't you know, played our best football, and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 21: that's what's promising, you know, you know ahead and I think, uh,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 21: you know, once we do, we kind of talk about,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 21: you know, stringing some plays together in a practice or
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 21: stringing a drive together. You see glimpses of it. But
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 21: that's the challenging part of this league. And that's what's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 21: the fun part about it. Of getting to that level
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 21: and hoping to get that level when when the games
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 21: you know matter, it really matter, and trying to get
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 21: a you'll push to the postseason or things like that.
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  Speaker 21: So that's what we're trying to build tours and just
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 21: keep you know, going out every week just curious when
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 21: you dive into a opponent's go getting good at it
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 21: on your own.
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  Speaker 3: What's the difference here too for you as opposed to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: last year, If they're as fun as that you study
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: and you're trying to get a beat early on the Pounders.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 21: Defense, Yeah, I think, you know, first off is kind
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 21: of just knowing the defensive coordinator kind of the background.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 21: You can kind of know more names now and know
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 21: what Tree's from and and know things like that. And
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 21: from there, just trying to watch players more. You know
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 21: players know that you know, covers matters, but you know
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 21: players and personnel matters just as much. And and know
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 21: one the guys up front you to worry about or
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 21: the run game and things like that are the guys
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 21: you know, hey, playing this coverage is what he likes
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 21: to do. Or you know he's real aggressive when he
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 21: gets you know, backside and he's in man, you know,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 21: things like that. So just trying to you know, started players,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 21: you know, just as Nutch as and and just every week,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 21: you know, trying to play the quarterback. You're trying to
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 21: see what see what they're in before they show it.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: You think they're corner specifically Chase.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're great players.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 21: You know Jase Horny he played at a kid out
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 21: of school, so you'll know him, you know, grew up
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 21: and uh, he's a little older than me, but obviously
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 21: a great player. You know, he's made the players this
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 21: year and he's uh, you know, one of those guys
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 21: backside that he's gonna play in the boundary and make
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 21: it tough. He's physical, he can play, he's pay should
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 21: you know, he's got good ball skills. So he's one
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 21: of those guys that, uh, you know, he's he's gonna
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 21: make it tough, and I think it's something that you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 21: can't you kind of eliminate that part of the field.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 21: But you gotta be careful with him and the other side.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 21: You Number two is a good player as well.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: You see you have Stefan Dick's three catches on Sunday
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: resulted in the first I believe you talked about what
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: a great.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: Teammate he is.
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  Speaker 20: Where's your level of trust with him, especially a situationally you're.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 21: On the video, Yeah, you know, we try to put
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 21: him in circumstances where he's you know, getting the ball
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  Speaker 21: and an option to get the ball on on big plays.
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  Speaker 21: You know, got a big third down catch the first
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  Speaker 21: third down we had, I should have probably should have
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 21: thrown it to him. Well, things like that, we had
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 21: a fourth down against Miami. He's making plays. So he's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 21: in positions on on uh you know, key downs to
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 21: make plays and got full trust on him and he's
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 21: just keeps showing it every week and He's just try
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 21: to give Hi the ball more. I told him that.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 21: You know today, when you talk about knowing when the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 21: play is over, are you is that just strictly field thing,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 21: because obviously you have the ability.
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  Speaker 10: To create extent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Then sometimes, as you found out, it kind of can lead.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: To trouble too.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 21: Yeah, you just kind of we talked about the quarterback room,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 21: you know, kind of when something something doesn't feel right,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 21: you know, when the brother in the pocket or with
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 21: this play, all right, something I need to do, whether
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 21: throw it away or get what I can and get down.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 21: Just kind of that that kind of you know, stop
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 21: clock in your head and and that shot clock. Just
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 21: you just know, hey, something doesn't feel right all right now.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 21: You know some quarterbacks split their feet. I think sometimes
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 21: you just feel like, okay, you gotta do something. So
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 21: just knowing knowing that it comes to the Panthers.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: What what is your favorite like all time memories?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 21: Fair, all time memory who that's a that's a good question.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 21: I went to the Super Bowl, uh when when they
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 21: lost to Peyton Manning.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: And then that was tough.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 21: But uh yeah, just that season and you know, I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 21: think there was fifteen and one. I was at that,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 21: you know, NFC Championship game at home, you know, big
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  Speaker 21: time win, and just to just the being a fan
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 21: of of Cam. I think it was probably the biggest
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 21: memory of him coming out here and doing the airplane
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  Speaker 21: and you know, hitting the CAM.
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  Speaker 4: So just little things like that and.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 21: Getting to know him later on and playing him he
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 21: coaches seven on sevent team and playing them and playing
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 21: against him and seeing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And now great moments in.
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  Speaker 6: History and Brandon Spikes's work.
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  Speaker 8: He's at Florida, he's working back at the Alma Mada
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  Speaker 8: and uh and he's you know, he's helping out Florida's program,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: trying to get them back, you know, to where they
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  Speaker 8: were when he was there and things like that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: And so is he still on the internet.
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  Speaker 4: I asked Evan about that yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you know, I'm going to plead you want
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  Speaker 3: his only fans.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: Account, get a license for that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great That was a great moment
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  Speaker 3: in PFW.
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  Speaker 7: And oh yeah, oh you guys discovered the who does
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  Speaker 7: a Google search of Brandon Spikes is junk and Frank Goes.
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  Speaker 22: I have seen it.
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  Speaker 4: And then I said it in the elevator today, and then.
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  Speaker 13: I have no.
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  Speaker 1: Research.
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  Speaker 3: That's another great moment, all right back here on Patriots
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  Speaker 3: on the Filter, and I'm looking at him like like
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• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: have you really seen Brandon Spikes's junk? Yes?
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  Speaker 18: Oh? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: No? I you know when these when when news happens,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Parcells was inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame,
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• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: had a chance to actually sit down with Bill in
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: this studio for an extended interview, and what we're about
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: to play is just a little clip of it. We
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: were talking about how, you know, Bill was such a
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: pro at needling his players, so we talked about that.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: But the extended interview, if it isn't already up, it's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: going to be up on Pages dot com before the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: end of this show, so you can listen to the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: whole interview that we did with Bill purselves. But here's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: just a little taste of that.
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  Speaker 23: You know, I'm confrontational. I had a very confrontational mother,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 23: highly confrontation, and so I've always been let's let's get
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 23: it out on the table and let's settle it now.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: And we're so you grew up that way, Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Now I so Lofe talks about practice. He said, the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: needle is usually out during stretch. That was a time
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: to bust balls.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: At that point in time, and nobody was immune.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 9: Know, somebody was a little heavy is weight, you're gonna
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: get him with the way You're going to get him
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: on all kinds of to get myself with that. But
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: he said that that was like he revers that time
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: and thinks back at that time about that's.
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  Speaker 22: The special camaraderie. That is what football is all about.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 22: It is and you know, it's you can't explain it
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 22: to people. There's just something. It's kind of like a
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 22: a it's like a magnet.
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  Speaker 3: It just it keeps you together. It's just yeah, and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: and man, it's als fair too. It's if you're.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 23: Sensitive at all on business, right, No shot, that's right,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 23: because the more they find out you're sensitive, they make
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 23: it worse.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay. So that was just a little
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: taste and it is live now on Patriots dot com.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: So if you want to check that out, you know,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: please wait until the end of the show. But I
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: would say that if you have any memory of Bill
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Parcells here, if you were a fan at that time,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: old enough to remember him, it's it's muscle wat.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: I watched it this morning, and I would echo what
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Fred says, and this is I would say this. Obviously,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: you know, we're proud of a lot of the stuff
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: that we do. But if you're of 's say, you know,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: roughly my age, you know, let's say plus or minus
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: ten for me, this is in your wheelhouse. The memories
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: that immediately were drawn back to that sort of mid
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: nineties emergence of the Patriots as one of the better
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: teams in the league. I'm not going to call him
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: the best team in the league. They didn't win the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl in ninety six. They lost, but they were
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: in that mix with Denver and with Green Bay and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: the better teams, and Parcels brings you right back there.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: He's eighty four his recall is amazing. Some of the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: stories that he tells. I think Fred asks him about
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: his Circle the Wagons guys, and he's talking about, you know,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: some of the play like Bruce Armstrong and Andre Tippett
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: that you would immediately think of in that light. But
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: then you know, Matt and Fred are like sort of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: problemoge hold on, now, let me think, and then he
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: like rattles off two or three more and then you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: know Fred and Matt again are getting ready to move on.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, no, and like there was probably
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: eight or nine guys. Oh yeah, that he's talking about
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: with such reverence. Yeah, I think you really enjoy it.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: I know that Parcels can be sort of a polarizing
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: guy for Patriots fans because of the way he left,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: But I think either way, whatever way you fall on
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: the Bill Parcells controversy, I think you'll enjoy looking back
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: at a time in Patriots history. I think is a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: little bit overlooked because of all the success they had
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: with the Belichick Brady era, but the Parcels Bledsoe era
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: was pretty good. And I think if you sort of
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: were a part of that the way I was, you
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: really enjoy this podcast.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 12: And even if you weren't part of it, Like, I'm
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 12: really interested to see it just because I was like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 12: two years old, you know, I didn't necessarily live through it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 12: I write about it, but I'm excited to just hear
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 12: it from that perspective. And I think that confrontational line
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 12: about how he's really confrontational, Oh yeah, I love that.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: You know where I got mine?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm your mom. I could have I could
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: have sat and talked with him for hours, because there
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: was a lot that I would have loved to catch
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: up on, but he had other things to do. But
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: we also had a special guest stop in during the interview,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: so that's in there too, so Tom pages dot com
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: and really anywhere that you can get podcasts. It's episode
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I think fifty two of Pats from the Past, So
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: good stuff. Check it out.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: And Freddie, you and You and No Socks did a
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: nice job with with Bill, and I thought he was
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: really he was willing to go back, and I think
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: he looks back at those times fondly. Yeah, you know,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: those were good teams. Some of the some of the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: names that he brings up just out of nowhere. Ray
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Crittendon he talks about, you know, like that that's a
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: true Patriot fan, Like Alex, I'm sure you ever heard
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: the name Ray Crittenden in your life. You know, he
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: would sort of be like the the eftin Chisholm today,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: like the fourth or fifth, you know, sixth guy on
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: the depth chart, and you know he's going back thirty
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: plus years talking about that guy. So it was definitely
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: worth worth sometimes, you know, like a half hour. So
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: it's nice, good, good trip down Many Lane.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I I could have talked with him
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: all afternoon because I have things that.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: I that was my season ticket holder heyday.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I mean that was when I was
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: came in ninety five. He was the coach. That was
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: my first coach.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 12: Well, you said it was polarizing kind of because the
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 12: way he left. What did you think of his comments
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 12: about kind of wishing he maybe did these differently with
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 12: wisdom in hindsight.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had said that before publicly, so this isn't new.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: That wasn't but I think he really meant it. Yeah,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he was the kind of guy and not
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: just here. He did it with the Giants before here
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: where he was mercurial, like, I don't know if I
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: want to come back, and he entertained an offer with
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the time, and you know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: the Giants were getting frustrated with him. You know, every
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: year he didn't know if he wanted to keep coaching.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: He did it here, he did it. You know after here,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: he went from here to Dallas, then to Miami. So
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: he's he hasn't He's never been a guy that settled down.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: The only place he stated for any length of time
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: was the Giants. Yeah, it's right about that. He probably
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: would have gone yeah for another reason.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: So so it wasn't just here. He didn't like to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: be told what to do. He was very confrontational, but
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: with a guy like him, he'd have the confrontation and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: then it'll be over. There's no lingering grudges to be held,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like it you're a man, I'm a man.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: We're gonna yell at each other and then it's done.
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  Speaker 12: And I respect the hell out of that, because when
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 12: you aren't confronting these things, there's just like festering inside
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 12: of you. And then that's when it does get to
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 12: a boiling point.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: And then right and then it's done. And that's how
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: we coached in I think maybe Vrabel's kind of from
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: that cut from that cloth. I don't know, we'll see,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: but he seems to be like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if he's done with it, but
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: he likes to bicker. Yeah, that I remember from his
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: playing days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was it was great to see him,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: and I told him, I said I was pissed when
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: the way he left. I told him that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if that made it, but the you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: saying that I'm being confrontational.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but the reason I was pissed is because
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't want them to leave, right, That's why I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: was pissed, you know. And the way he left. So
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: good stuff. Check it out pages dot com and anywhere
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. It's a patch from the past.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: That's the title. Ashton writes in My dog and I
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: got hit by a car yesterday walking across the street.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Both have some things that need to heal, but we're
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be okay. I listened to your show in the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: hospital for some normalcy. Appreciate what you do. I hope
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: both you and your dog are getting better. That sucks.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I always have that fear when I'm walking the dog
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: and along the sidewalk on like some cars just gonna
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: jump the sidewalk and nail both of us.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that happened in a West Springfield in the last year.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 12: Girl walking or dog. They both passed away.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, football question, why not move Digs to the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: slot since his few weeks in Houston he was exactly
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: what you want from that position. Could bump digs targets up,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: keep the chains moving more, and be more reliable in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: that role than Douglas. I know the chisholm Army is
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: ready to march, but maybe some more time behind Diggs
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: is still needed.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: He's you could save that one for Mike because he
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: really likes to answer the why isn't Digs in the slot?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Question?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: So I would I would just say, obviously we talked
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: a lot about Diggs is playing in the slot, but
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: in terms of that email that I would agree with
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: is I would like to see Diggs get a little
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: bit more attention, more focus, focal point of the offense.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jordan lives in Tampa and he wants to give
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: an answer to that person looking for places to go
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: down there. Uh, he lives down there. He said, you
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: can try the traditional Cuban food in a town called
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: lot Terracita, the Colombia in Ebor City. I remember the
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Columbia is still there. That was a wild spot big night.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I had a restaurant, but it also had a bar.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: It was a wild spot, was there.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: If you want a nice steak, go to Charlie's or
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Ocean Prime right by the stadium. So there's there a
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: few suggestions right there. But yeah, Ebor City.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: Was there one Ocean Prime? Yeah, I think I've been there.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: There's a few of them. Yeah, there's a few of them.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: All right. I didn't realize there's a chain. My bad.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, end one though, of course, well only the best
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: uh Sean and Vancouver, Alex. I agree with you. But
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: what I'd like to see more Digs and Williams. All right,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Booty and Diggs should have all the snaps, but when
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: they go to three receiver sets, put Digs in the slot.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Here's another slot guy, and Williams at the X with
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a few deep shots, Evan. I'd also like to see
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Henderson use more as a decoy. Defenses are keying on
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: him when he's on the field. Fred I'm gonna make
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: the guarantee this week Patriots twenty one Panthers ten. If
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: both teams best players are on the field. Do you
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: think Gonza will cover Tet with Davis on Sandras? I
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: think they'll probably double team Tet.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good question. I think
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: normal circumstances, yes, I think Gonzales would be on McMillan,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: but I think considering his film, yeah, his absence, I
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: wonder if maybe they go with Davis instead. I don't
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: think that they would necessarily double him all the time,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: but yeah, he probably will see some double teams too. Okay,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: but I just it's a little unknown there. What availability
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: you're going to get from Gonzo? Yep, But normal circumstance answers.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: I want him on the other team's best receiver, right, Yep,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: don't we all?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 23: I do?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, that's that's the that's why
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: you get these guys, that's why you pay them the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: big bucks. H Judah. Do you think this team can
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: find the way to play the best type of football
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Drake talked about early or will it take until mid
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: season or even the entire season?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: That's the question. I didn't hear Drake's no, but how
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: long it's you know, they want to be playing their
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: best football and they're going to have to clean things up.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: You know, you hope that these are just sort of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: early season growing pains and sloppiness and they can get
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: it fixed sooner rather than later. You don't want to
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: go half a season and you know, sort of waste
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: an opportunity.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: On the subject of whether or not the team or
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: offense looks better than last year, most interesting Patriots fan
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: in the world, James Pettigrew, writs in just my two cents,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: but neither of you looked better than last year.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Come on, you can't say that about Paul.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: Come on, and I would say that the offense looked
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: better than last year, by the way I mean I do.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: I don't want to come across like that. I just
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: especially Sunday. Yeah, my confidence is first game, it didn't
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: look better than last year, but on Sunday it did.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Eldred's in North Carolina, what's up? Eldred?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 14: Hey, Alex, Hey tellers, tell y'all doing Hey, the email
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 14: ain't wrong. Carolina said they gonna whoop our button, won't
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 14: steak him.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Up there they think that huh okay, and you're talking
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: about the fans or is this trash talk coming from
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: the locker.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 14: Room, coming from the fans from the locker room, Oh,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 14: the fans, Okay, the problem. But the problem with that
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 14: is kick is hurt a quarter of past chat some
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 14: of the top guys or the wide receivers. So if
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 14: they beat us with Renfro and two guys up the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 14: pactor squad, me and Greg are gonna have a talk.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear that.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. So just to read this long list of
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: guys that didn't practice yesterday for Carolina, his linebacker Pat Jones,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Xaviel lagat Technic Mill and the two receivers Hunter Renfro
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: was a personal day off. I'm not sure exactly what
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: that was about. Jatavian Sanders is the tight end he
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: had an ankle. Uh, Turk Wharton and dj one them playing.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Uh So those guys all out like they did not practice.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: So there's, you know, to the Eldridge's point. Eldred's point,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: there's a significant amount of Panthers that will not be
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: taking part in this game. So no real and no excuse.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 14: One more question, one more question. I'll let y'all go. Hey,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 14: have y'all been watching Taekwan Thornton lately with the Chief?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been okay some place.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah, he dropped one, he catched two, dropped one, catch two.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 14: I mean they keep going to them. Do you think
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 14: we didn't we didn't development good enough or he just yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 14: take it.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Off the air, all right, thank you.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: I think he has Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes didn't actually utilize his speed. I don't think
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: Mac Jones could.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, that's the angry. Yeah, mac Jones will
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: make me look good, Patrick, I mean not Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Who's this Christian in La? What do you get to say?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like i'd say today, guys that first of all,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: I do think that we're gonna win going going away
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: in this game. I think Caroline's a little banged up.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 17: And if we get.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Of Gonzo, I think that's good enough to shut down
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Tet anyway.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: But uh, twenty five percent of Gonzo would be good
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: enough to shut down a receiver. Is that what you
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: just said?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Nick Millnane, I don't I don't think. I don't think
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: his running is crisp enough to really take advantage of
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Gonzo even at twenty five.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: If he was twenty five percent, he wouldn't be out there.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: But whatever, you get what I'm saying, Paul, Come.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: On, No, I mean, I'm sorry. A quarter of a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: player is not good enough to shut down an NFL player.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry. There's nobody that good. Deon Sanders.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: A quarter of Deion Sanders wouldn't shut down again. Five
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: percent effort is.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Good enough for me. Yeah, well shut down, pet.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to silly comment.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: It's not fill the comment, Paul.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: It's a very silly comment.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 19: I think in a week four right, it's.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: Disrespectful coming.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: Paul.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: The comment was the comment brother and.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: He says it's disrespectful.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: It's disrespectful.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: You know, when I come to to let Stadium later
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: on the season, Paul, you and I are going to
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: have a talk.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Oh oh, set him outside.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Oh I look forward to that barrel laughs. That'll you do?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 14: Okay?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 23: You know what else?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to send you guys some Christian in La
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: button to put on love Christian La. Christian in La.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: I want to see you. Guys are gonna way. They
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: should be in about two weeks. By the way, it
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be a surprise.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 5: Christian, when are you coming?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: I'm coming in December.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we got to move on because we got
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: we got other callers, and we got passed. So I
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: just want to clear the phones. Thanks Christian. Ben's in Brooklyn.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: What's up Ben?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 10: Hey guys, first time caller. Just wanted to see if
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 10: I could build a bridge between Evan and Paul with
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 10: respect to the analytics and going forward on fourth down.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I like that grasping hands, So let's build a bridge
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: so bad.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to hearing what you say. But just
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: I just want to clarify. I love going forward on
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: fourth down, So I don't think this is going to
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: be a hot own fifteen. Just just not at my
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: own fifteen.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 10: Okay, that's exactly where I want to start. So look,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think analytics are great. I work in
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 10: the field, and I think where they've really done a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 10: good job is what I call predicting the past rather
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 10: than the future. So by that, I mean, you know,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 10: growing up, I could tell Jerry Rice was good because
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 10: he was fast and tall. But now we can tell,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 10: you know, player gets good separation. You know they can
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 10: win at the catchpoint, et cetera. And I think all
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 10: that stuff is super useful so explaining why someone's good.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 10: But I think especially with with fourth down, you know,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 10: there's there's only yes or no. You know, there's not
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 10: like degrees of success, and I don't think stats work
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 10: really well for that. And secondly, they totally ignore the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 10: context and they totally ignore the consequence. So you know,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 10: if you had a stat that showed that I could
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 10: walk across the mass Pike blindfolded at four am, you know,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 10: eighty percent of the time, I'm still not interested in
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 10: doing it, right, I think you know what happens at
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 10: fourth fourth down from your own fifteen is you know,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 10: first of all, I don't think that's happened one hundred
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 10: times in a game, right, So I don't know where
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 10: the stats are even coming from.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Right, where's the data set the game?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 15: Right?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: And that you illustrated it perfectly ben for me, because
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they do that. I think the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: numbers are just fourth and one, And I agree with you,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: fourth and one from the other team's ten is a
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: lot different than fourth and one from your own fifteen.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it differentiates.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure it does or it doesn't, but
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: it should if it doesn't.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: But to Ben's point, like, where's the data on fourth
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: and one from your own fifteen? Right, that's not like
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: a desperation situation at the end of the game, right,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: you have to go for you know, totally different yea
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: of the game, right, But in the second quarter of
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: a fourteen to seven game. Yeah, I don't think there's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of data for.
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  Speaker 1: That, all right, Ted, Ben, don't be a stranger. I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: like it, Ben, I like first time call again or
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: email thank you for the call. I just want to
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: clean out the phone lines here, Ted in San Diego?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Ted, San Diego?
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  Speaker 18: Hi, Hey, good, good afternoon everybody. So I got three
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 18: very quick points. First off, I know that Paul and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 18: I have not together, but obviously have a history of
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 18: following this team. I started back in the late sixties.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 18: I still get angered when people talk about the history
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 18: of the team and the just completely gloss over the
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 18: Chuck Fairbanks era. I just feel like if Craft had
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 18: been the owner of the team back during those days,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 18: we might have had a dynasty going back during that
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 18: era because that team was loaded with some great players,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 18: did he and Buckle o'killroy is I think Paul will
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 18: remember did most of the drafting back in those days,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 18: and I just feel like that era gets glossed over
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 18: and that the Satriots only became the Patriots when Parcels
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 18: came to the team.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Fairbanks was a really good talent evaluator as well as
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: bucko kilroy.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: And you made a great point of about the ownership too.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: If Robert Craft was the owner in the seventies, you know,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Chuck Fairbanks wouldn't have left, They wouldn't have had all
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: the holdouts that they had every year contractually. So yeah,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: it was it. I mean, those are the teams in
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: my childhood, you know, that sort of seventy eight team
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: was like the first team I really, you know, seventy
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: six was the first game I ever went to, but
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: seventy eight and I was, you know, I was ten
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: years old. That's like in the whealelhouse.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Spite the ownership, the good teams.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: They were really really teams. Ted's right, they you know
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: in Fairbanks drafted all those guys, you know, Stanley Morgan,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: Raymond Clayble and Mike Haynes, Tim Fox, Pete Brock, Steve Grogan,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: John Hannah, like just the Steve Nelson backbone of some
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: really really good teams.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 18: Yeah. My second quick point is what I think my
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 18: favorite Ourselves quote during the after game or during the
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 18: week comments with the press. Somebody had commented one of
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 18: the writers said, well, Bill, I heard from an inside
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 18: source such and such in parcels. He says, wait a second,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 18: he says, I've got one inside source. It's my brother.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 18: He's a banker in New Jersey, and none of you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 18: guys know who he is, so don't tell me about
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 18: inside sources.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: And then my.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 18: Last comment is just about this offense. And again, I've
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 18: been a fan a long time, but I don't propose
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 18: that I know anything about football. But I just this offense,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 18: and I think Alex alluded to it a little bit.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 18: This offense. I just don't like the five yard passes.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 18: It's kind of been Josh's history with the team, and
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 18: I just feel like they need to go downfield a
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 18: little bit more than they do, because it just seems
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 18: like the defense can play closer to the line, they
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 18: don't really fear anybody going downfield, and I think it
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 18: makes it rough on the running game as well, but
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 18: keeps up the great work and I'll continue to listen.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: All right, that's Ted, So I largely agree with a
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: lot I do.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 23: I do.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: That's where you want to get to, is what Ted's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: talking about. I wonder if Josh thinks if Drake is
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: ready for that, because when he, you know, standing the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: pocket and waiting for something to develop, not necessarily all
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: the way downfield, but you know, fifteen yards away, twelve
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: fifteen yards away, I think I think he wants to
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: ease him into that. It just maybe because of the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: accuracy in the he gets all exciting.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see how this thing progresses.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's too earling the season to define
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: the offense or the team as a whole. But we'll
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: see how things progress. We're waiting for Duce, right, we
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: can't start until Duce gets here. Oh okay, yeah, yep,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: But okay, all right.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: So the analytics call though, I really liked, because I
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: do think analytics have helped make the game better in
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: terms of encouraging these coaches to not just do it
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: the way everybody always did it and punt every time.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: I think it it lends some intrigue. I just feel like,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: if you're just judging it on well, it's fourth and
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: X and it says.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 23: Look, what was the moon where the players friendly here?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 14: Henry Mike? What was it like?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: Renew like?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: What was it like in the locker room?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 16: All right?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Already to run the locker room?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Who talked today?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: I was quiet day in the locker room today. Marcus
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: Jones was the only player we talked to. Not not
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: a lot of great stuff, but I just mean not
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: a lot of you know, the same old stuff. Got
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: to get a win at home, you know, it would
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: be great to get Gonzo back, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: I think the most notable thing was just PADDs today.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: So they're going in the bubble. They got the uppers
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: on which Rabel said last weekday count as as full pads.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: I guess so I think they did that last week.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: It was a Thursday instead of Wednesday last week as well, right, I.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: Guess that's how they're doing it. But uh, otherwise, guys
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 7: just trying to get out of there. There's not a
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: lot of interviews going on really today.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Who was Evan talking to?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: Evan?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: I saw him go up to you when you think
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: it was, Yeah, it was.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: I saw him walk up to him when you.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Did, I say, yesterday, probably an offensive lineman. Yeah, and
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: he like, hey, let's likes to talk ball with the
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: offensive line.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: He does. So yeah, do we get word on what
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Josh was talking about today?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 23: Oh?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: You know, I haven't had a chance to to review
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: that yet. I'm not sure I did see just echoing
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: the fumbles are a team thing, you know, echoing that
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: sentiment that was.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. I know that's it's great to
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: kind of protect your player, admirable, But running back fumbles,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: it's the running back hold on, you're.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: Gonna get hit. I mean, there are examples where you know,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: a guy just gets the ball and he gets buried
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: and yeah, okay, so that wasn't on the guy right right,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: but we can all see that. Yeah, you know, go ahead,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: try You're going to get tackled all right, most places.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: It's that time of the week, Paul. What happened last week?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: So Freddy you can continue your strong start and feel
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: for the league. Eleven and five you win the week,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: followed by Alex ten and six. Not quite up to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: your standards, but a good record, nonetheless shockingly Paul third
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: place this week, Hey, come back nine and seven. I'm
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: not calling her to comeback. I'm still mired uh and
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: then Mike and Evan at eight and eight.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: So Evan.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: The season standings and the overall now have a tie
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: at the top between Alex and Fred at thirty seven
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: and eleventh.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Queen of the prom.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: We should make sashes.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Nob okay riding around with the town in the radio. Mike,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: you are in third place at thirty one and seventeen,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: followed by Evan at twenty eight and twelve and loser
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Paul twenty six and twenty two.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: That is pathetic.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: You're over five hundred.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I've been over five hundred the whole time, but
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: just are around five hundred. That's pathetic. The picks with
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: the spread Fred continues to dominate impeccable Field ten and six,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: followed by Paul oh at eight and eight. Not good
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Alex seven and nine, Mike and Evan at six and ten.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: So the season standings with the spread Fred very impressive
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: twenty nine and nineteen. Gorman, that's a good record. Let's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: see who's next. Alex twenty three and twenty five. Fred
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: only won over five hundred, ten games over five hundred,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: he's the only one over five hundred, twenty three and
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: twenty five for Alex, twenty and twenty eight for Mike
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: I'm Sorry, twenty two and twenty six for Evan, followed
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: by Mike at twenty and twenty eight and Loser Boy
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: nineteen and twenty nine Loser Man.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: There's still a lot of football will be played, a
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: lot of picks to be made.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: They will lose.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get going because we're behind the clock
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: here in the chain behind the chains. Tonight on Prime
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Video eight point fifteen, it's the two and one Seahawks
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: at the two and one.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: Cardinals, Seattle by one and a half.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: It did, and I'm not surprised it did. I think
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of money on Seattle tonight, and I'm
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: going to stick with it.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: I'll take Seattle. I'll lay the point and a half.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: M I'll go with the home team.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: This is a tough one. I'm gonna be with Alex.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: She seems to win more than most. I'm gonna take
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: Arizona as well.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Seattle. Seattle wins this game. Now
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: we moved to Sunday at nine thirty in the morning
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Eastern Time on NFL Network. You know what that means, Mike, Yeah,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: this is the this is the two This is the
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: two and one Vikings at the two and one Steelers,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: and I believe this game is being played in AIRD
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: in Dublin.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: It means I get a little red Zone on action
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: going during the pregame show as well as the postgame show.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: Minnesota by two and a half.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: So Minnesota one of the most shocking results of the
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: last week. I did not see that coming with Carson
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: Wentz and man, they poured a ton of yards on them.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: I gotta think they keep it going.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna take Minnesota in Ireland and I will lay
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: the two and half points.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Wow, Yeah, short flight.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: I kind of agree with Mike that I didn't see
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: the Vikings coming. But maybe Kevin O'Connell is just that good.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Vikings.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now you say it's a short shorter flight, but
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: because of the curvature of the globe, is it actually
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: I think I think it might be either the same
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: or a little shorter from I don't know, maybe not. Yeah,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: CBS one o'clock.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: Would you pick?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm picking the Vikings CBS one o'clock. The two
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: and one Commanders are at the one and two Falcons.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Falcons reeling a little bit.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Here, Washington by one and a half.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: I think, does it look like Jay Daniels's in a fight?
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: I sounds like he won't be playing.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: I think he's trying to convince the doctors to let him,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: but I'm not sure. Yeah, I just after how Atlanta
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: looked last Week's hard to pick them. No matter who's
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: playing quarterback for Washington. It's a close spread, so I'll
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: take Washington. I'll lay the point and a half Washington.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: So one of the things that Fred Kersh has taught
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: me in his illustrious career picking these games is that
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: teams are never quite as bad as they look at
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: their worst. I got to think Atlanta is a better
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: team than that. At home, they rally and they come
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: up with a win. Can we do caveat picks?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Like if Jade and Daniels plays, it's one way.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: And I mean, you've got the gambling parlance book, I'll allow.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: It, okay, if Jade and Daniels plays Commanders, if not
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Falcons all.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna write down at Yeah.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: No, no, should all be able to do that's a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: big deal. We don't have the info.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the confidence in Washington. Okay, I just
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: put an asterisk down. Okay, so that'll remind me that
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: I think that's only fair. I mean, who am I
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: to make fun of? I've picked both the Patriots and
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: the other team the last two weeks in a row.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: I'm finally going to get off that train this week. Okay,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: So I'm not making fun of anyone for covering all bases.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: One o'clock CBS, The oh and three Saints are at
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: the three and oh Bills.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Buffalo by fifteen and a half.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Ye wow, a lot of points.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, definitely Buffalo. Just a question of do you
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: think the Saints are going to have any fight? I
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: do not think they will.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna lay off fifteen and a half of those.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Buffalo, but I can't. The spread scares
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: me so.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Sneaky cover maybe Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think this game will be in question, but
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: fifteen and a half's a lot. I'll take Buffalo to win.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone thought that last week they were just
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: going to destroy the Dolphins and it was a one
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: touchdown game. Ten points, ten points, yeah, fair by twelve. Yeah,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take the Bills, but i will take
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: those points. I will take those points. Watch your fingers
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: window quld slam shot on them one o'clock on Fox.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: The one and two Browns are at the two and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: one Lions. That was a big win for the Lions
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: last week.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: Destois by ten.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Ten.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a little crazy here.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna take Detroit to win at home, but I
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: think maybe a little bit of a letdown coming off
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: that big win over Baltimore on Monday night, short week,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 7: maybe they don't quite cover it.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: I'll take Cleveland plus ten.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: I feel the same way.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take Detroit to cover. I'm going to
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: say that they are really intent on showing everybody that
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: it wasn't just about Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn and
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: we're a good team without those guys too. And Cleveland
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: getting a lot of props after they win against green
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: Bay smelling their own parts well. They do have a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: good defense defense and they have for a few Detroit
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: has a really good offense. I'll take the Lions both ways.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Lions both ways. Paul, So you're
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: in good shape on this game. One o'clock CBS, The
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: oh and three Titans are at the Owen three Texans.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get off the shots.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: Didn't buy seven.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: Seven? Huh?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: Cam Ward banged up to by the way, Yeah, I
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: miss some practice time, yeah, c J. Stroud.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 7: I mean it's it seems like they're having some struggles
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 7: there right now. Offensive line of problem. He's got two touchdowns,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: three interceptions, not going great. I would take Houston to win. Shoot,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: I probably would take the points if if he was
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: playing the quarterback for Tennessee.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Can't but I'm gonna know that. I don't know that
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: he's not playing. I just think he missed some practice
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: time yesterday.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I get crazy. I'm gonna I'll take I will
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: take the points. I'll take the points plus seven for Tennessee.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: Please can you all do the same thing?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take Houston both ways. They've been disappointing,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: but I think they are a better team than than
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: Tennessee right now and at home, and they take out
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: some frustrations on the Titans.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: I agree, Texans both ways. CBS one o'clock the three
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: and oho Chargers are at the zero to three.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Giants charge is by six.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: Checks in dark time for the Giants.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert early MVP candidate, He's.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: Played really, really well.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: That's a great observation, Fred. I'm gonna take the Chargers
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: to win, and I'm gonna lay the points against a rookie.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Now at six six, do we mention that Dart's gonna
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: yeah quarterback?
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 18: Yes?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: So I really like the Chargers, I really like Justin Herbert,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: and I think it's a really good team. But this
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: is the kind of game that the Chargers traditionally stumble.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: I think the meadow Lands will have a little juice
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: with Jackson Dart making his first start. I'll take the
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: Giants post the upset. Oh oh, light out. I'm not
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: gonna quite go there, but i will take the points. So, Paul,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: you might be onto something. Well, if it goes the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: way the whole season's gone, the Giants will lose this
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: game by seven points. They'll have a lead and not
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: only won't pull the upset off, but they'll lose the
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: cover by a point. And that is why my friend,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: you go nineteen and twenty nine. They hate spread Fox,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: hate me Fox.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: At one o'clock, the three and oh Eagles are at
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: the three and oh Bucks. Something has to.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: Give Eagles by three and a half.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Get rowed.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: I picked Philadelphia get upset last week. They did not.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: It's a perfect example of it's screwed. Yeah.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: I'm finding hard to pick against Bagger Bacon at home.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: I'm going to take Baker Bacon and I'm going to
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: take those three and a half points for Tampa.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Please, I'm going to take the Eagles, So this is
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: a tough one. I'm going to take Tampa to win
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: the game outright on with Mike. Last year, Philly went
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: into Tampa and the Bucks absolutely eviscerated them. It looked
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: like Nick Sirianni might lose his job everything. Then they
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: never lost again. It was like ridiculous after that point.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: But does Philadelphia remember that game and come in here
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: with something to prove or is Tampa just a bad
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: matchup for Philadelphia. We'll find out on Sun Go with
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: Fred's guy gonna let Baker Baker bake.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go the other way. I think the
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Eagles are a really solid team and I'm gonna they're
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: going to actually beat the bake So Eagles to cover.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: And now we skip over the Patriots at one o'clock
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: and we go to four five on Fox, it's the
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: three and oh Colts at the two and one Rams.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: Good game, the lar by three and a half.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a great game. I mean, Indy definitely
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: the surprise of the league right now.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: Daniel Jones playing out of his mind ken of continue
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 7: against Sean McVay and the ROMs. You know, I'm gonna
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: go throw back win for the Rams and I will yeah,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: you know what, I'm gonna take the points, though I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 7: think it's gonna be close.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: One I'll get. I'll give the Colts some respect to
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: four and a half.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Three and a half.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 12: Yes, sorry, love what the Colts are doing this year,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 12: but my head says Rams both ways at home.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Rams both ways also, but
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: I think the Colts are onto something. I think they're
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: doing all right. I think they've improved dramatically. But I'll
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: take the Lar at home, coming off a loss that
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: they've probably kicking themselves. They had that game in the pocket. Yeah,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: twenty six to seven lead, get two field goals blocked
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: down the stretch. Not good.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, word on the street, are the touts are hedging
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: this one? So I'm gonna take the Colts to cover
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Rams win. But Colts cover that that margin, or win
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: within the margin.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: Right, I missed it.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: They're in the margins.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: I missed it.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: Fox at four oh five, the two and one Jaguars
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: at the three and oh, forty nine Ers.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: I think the forty nine ers at three and oh
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: and they're like something like plus six and points something
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: like that. Wait, Niners by three and a half.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I I think Jacksonville's got a little juice.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: I like their weaponry. I can't believe I'm gonna do it,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: but I'm gonna take Mac again.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: He playing still Matt Jones.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Oh no, but it should be.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: I think he's hurt.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: Is hurt too.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not up in my San Francisco PCL or something.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna take San Francisco anywhere.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take San Francisco at home. But I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: will take the hook, as I like to say, and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: take Jacksonville to cover Alex.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: Why we're the King and Queen Jacksonville outright CBS four
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: twenty five, the one and two Ravens at the one
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: and two Chiefs. Who'd have thunk that would be their records?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Baltimore by two and a half on the road.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: In Kansas City. Boy, times have changed.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: Trying to get that first win, I gotta I'm gonna
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 7: go with Lamar. I just think they're too good to
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 7: be held down this long. Stop funneling the ball, Derrick Henry.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: I think they'll be okay. Sent Kansas City to a
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: third loss.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: Ravens Ravens, Yeah, I just think Baltimore is a better
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: team right now. Until the Chiefs get some of their
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: players back, I don't see them having enough weapons to
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: keep up with Lamar Jackson. The Ravens have to win
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: an important game at some point as well, be this one.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Ravenswent five CBS one and two Bears at the one
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: and two Raiders.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: So this is, you know, a wise tut Fred Kersh
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: once told me sometimes there are red flag spreads. Chicago,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: coming off of just a blowout win over the Cowboys,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams played really, really well. They go to a
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: Vegas team that has looked abysmally bad and the Raiders
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: are favorbody one and a half. When you put that sign, what.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Do the sharps know?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: Give me, Caleb Williams. I'll give it a whirl. But
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: you're right, Vegas has not been impressive.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: I like the Bears Bears.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Chicago is the better team. But I
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: am a scared of this spread, so I'm going to
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: take Vegas. I think that they know something.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Well, it could be just a betting thing where they
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: want the money to come in, or they're trying to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: get more Bear money coming in. I'm going to take
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: the Bears. I think they were a better team. I
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: really so good to pick the better team sometimes.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: I no, I agree with you guys. I think Chicago's
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: a better team.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Uh eight twenty NBC and Universo the two and one
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Packers against the one and two Cowboys.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: A Green Bay by seven on the road. Trying to
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: think of something clever to say about Michael Parsons, but
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: nothing to me, so I have just a long pause.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: Now, well, yeah, that's a Michael Parsons comes home two
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: teams coming off a loss last week. Green Bay I
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 7: think got humbled a little bit after their hot start.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 7: I like green Bay to bounce back with Parsons, I
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: will lay the points.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Dallas. I'm gonna take green Bay to cover.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, green Bay by seven.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: Papers, messing me up again?
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: What you say, green Bay?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you get that page?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: That's a big spread?
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: No, is this like created before the season starts?
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: A minute?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: You have green Bay both ways? Okay? Now, and you
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: have on this spread it says Dallas is favored.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: Well, and this I was going by. Honestly, I go
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 7: by what you're spread though, No I know, but it
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: says this is Dallas five and a half. That doesn't
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 7: make any sense of.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: I get a new paper that's a twelve difference in
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: the spread. That's ridiculous.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. That's such a big spread.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: I just use it for sure.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't say green Bay was favored by five and
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: a half.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: No, green Bay plus points five point.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: That's unbelievable. I don't know where you're getting your information.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: Your brackets dot com?
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get a new source for green Bay by seven spreading.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I took it and I laid it.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, took it and broke a mider.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: What I said, then green Bay wins Dallas covers.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 16: There.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: I am going to go with the Douche train and
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: take green Bay both ways?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Agree, green Bay both ways? All right? Monday Night, seven fifteen, ESPN,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: ESPN Deportes. It's the oh and three Jets at the
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: oh and three Dolphins.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: Great Monday Night, double head. Somebody's got to win Miami
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: by two and a half.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll go with Miami at home against the bad team,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: but yeah, probably pretty gross game.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Miami. Showed some fight against the Bills.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: So anybody know if Justin Fields is back.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: I feel like I saw something on the tweeter.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Miami at home in a concussion Yeah yeah,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: he was out of last game with a concussion. I'm
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: gonna take Miami at home, but I don't feel great
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Jets.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, feels practicing today.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: I think the Jets probably have a pretty good answer
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: for Tua. The Dolphins would be hard pressed to score.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: And in fairness, the Jets have had a real opportunity
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: to win two of their games. I mean, I suppose
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: you could make that argument for the Dolphins too, but
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: I don't really think they were much of a chance
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: to win.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: The Bills game eight fifteen on ABC, So it's a
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: double header on the on the mouse and it's what
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: you like.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah to seven and eight o'clock.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Seven and eight, so I can watch both U two
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: and one Bengals are at the of course, one and
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: two Broncos home. Yep, they love that. You can see
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: the mountains in the background.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: Blah blah blah.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: Broncos by seven and a half.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: Uh, this is a tough one. I mean, it was
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: a little surprised by Cincinnat's result last week. I'm gonna
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: take Denver at home. I feel like they're kind of
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: do lay the points. That defense against Jake Browning should
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: do the job.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Denver lay it.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take Denver to win, too, but that's
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of points. I'm going to take the points.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no place like home every week, so Broncos
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: both ways.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah to your point though, And I can't remember for sure,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: but I think Buffalo may be starting with four home
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: games in the first five weeks something like that.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were on the road.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: I think whether they went to the Jets but they
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: opened it at home against Baltimore, then they went to
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: the Jets, they were home against Miami, and now they're
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: home again. Now they're home again, and then they're home again,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: and then they're home again next week against the Patriots.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: Is that for the first five games?
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe towards the end they need like, no, I'm being
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: serious here, maybe towards in December. I haven't looked at
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: the schedule, but they need to get out of there
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: because they're doing stuff for the new stadium.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: Like they might have to close the interesting thing.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they forfeited those games because no owner in
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: his right mind would say, oh, I'll have a bunch
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: of road games at the end of.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: This Well they do have too. Yeah, two home games
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: at the end of the season.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: So how do they finish the se.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: So let's start with end of November. Okay, December.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 12: Yeah, home against the Bengals, away against US, away against
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 12: the Browns, and then two games at home against my
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 12: series out.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: They must have a good stretch of road games in
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: the middle.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Now we go back to one o'clock
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: on Fox. I don't think Brady's calling this game. It's
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: the one and two Panthers at the one and two Patriots.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: Pretty good.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: Sorry, the Patriots by five and a half.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: Five and a half. Let's go, what's my score?
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: Oh jeez, yeah, no, that's good. All right.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna go Patriots on this one. Must win
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: for them in many regards. I think they clean up
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: the turnovers. I think they put together a pretty good win,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: get some momentum going into Buffalo. I'm gonna take Patriots
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: twenty seven to seventeen.
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  Speaker 5: Patriots twenty seven Panthers fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike changed his score from Monday. Twenty seven to
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  Speaker 3: thirteen was the score that Mike and I both came
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  Speaker 3: up at.
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  Speaker 4: Seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: I give the team for the TV show. I just
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  Speaker 3: feel like the Panthers don't have enough offense to keep up,
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  Speaker 3: and I think the Patriots will wear down that defense.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can run on them. I think the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots want to run the ball more effectively. Just got
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  Speaker 3: to hold onto it. You hold onto it, you should
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  Speaker 3: be able to win this game twenty seven to thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Folks, For the second time this season, I am guaranteeing
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  Speaker 1: a Patriots win. And not only am I guaranteeing a win,
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  Speaker 1: I'm guaranteeing a blowout forty one to ten Patriots. I
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  Speaker 1: was right on the thirty burger last time. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be right on the forty steak this time. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a burger. It's a steak. Forty one to ten
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  Speaker 1: Patriots over the Panthers. Not all the points come on offense,
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  Speaker 1: but they're going to have forty one points.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I go, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't believe. I believe.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I believe this is going to be an easy win.
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  Speaker 10: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, twenty seven thirteen. That's a that's a good
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  Speaker 1: that's good for you. That's a that's a huge blow
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  Speaker 1: I need it. That's like a seven nothing soccer score
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  Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, it'll be a great soccer you know soccer. Right,
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  Speaker 1: this weekend pregame show ten forty five forty five. Right,
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  Speaker 1: we have the new schedule, so do that, and then
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: the postgame show should be a lot of fun because
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  Speaker 1: I'll be coming down here riding Hi Baby.
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  Speaker 3: They don't. I think we will have an enjoyable doughnut
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  Speaker 3: for Freddy and if not, we'll be look out. Take
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  Speaker 3: away the shoelaces.
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  Speaker 1: If it doesn't go well, okay, that's me. We'll see
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