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Episode #3986 The New Phil Hendrie Show · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: The following is a world-famous Phil Henry Show encore presentation.
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Speaker 1: And now, three, two, one, you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm Margaret Gray. Welcome to tonight's discussion program. Phil
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Speaker 2: Henry is on assignment. I will be your host. I, me,
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Speaker 2: Margaret Gray, mother and wife and journalist. I cover the
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Speaker 2: waterfront here in Los Angeles, Southern California, and well beyond.
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Speaker 2: Margaret Gray, unstoppable, unstoppable, unstoppable.
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Speaker 1: Margaret Gray, unstoppable. You can't stop, you couldn't stop me
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Speaker 1: with your lips. You can't stop her with my dick.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Stop the tape. Stop the tape before I
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Speaker 1: kick someone's ass. What do you think this is, Frank? Frank,
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Speaker 1: why don't you get lost? Oh, you're going to tell
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Speaker 1: me to get lost? It's my wife. Get out of here.
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Speaker 1: Now I've got to do this chump change all over again.
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Speaker 1: I'm on it. Three, two, one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's time for Margaret Gray. Thank you very much. And
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Speaker 1: welcome to tonight's discussion program.
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Speaker 2: Phil Hendry is on assignment. I'm Margaret Gray. Yes, I'm
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Speaker 2: a journalist, a wife, I'm a mother, and I'm an American,
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Speaker 2: and I'm a human, and I just, I love me, okay?
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Speaker 1: Let me just come right out and say it. Because, friend,
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Speaker 1: I'm Margaret Gray, and I'm unstoppable. Stoppable, stoppable, stoppable, stoppable. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Margaret Gray is unstoppable.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, General Shaw, and good evening, ladies
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Speaker 2: and gentlemen. Welcome to Margaret Gray Unstoppable. Tonight we're going
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Speaker 2: to be interviewing a man who has problems with AI,
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, the AI that he has encountered on his telephone,
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Speaker 2: trying to register his car with the Department of Motor
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Speaker 2: Vehicles here in the state of California. And we welcome
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Speaker 2: on a man we've had on the program before many times,
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Speaker 2: a gentleman who is one of our newsmakers.
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Speaker 3: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Stephen Bozell of Corona, California. Stephen? Thank you. Now, you
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Speaker 1: have tape recordings of this, right? I've got tape recordings
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Speaker 1: that my wife made. I had my son make one
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Speaker 1: or two. My daughter, April Jr., made one. What is
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Speaker 1: this recording of? It is a recording of the AI
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Speaker 1: of the artificial intelligence. Now, when you say AI, are
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Speaker 1: you talking about a phone recording? Well, I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: the voice on the phone that tells you what to do.
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Speaker 1: And you have to do it if you want to
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Speaker 1: get anything done.
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Speaker 2: All right, most of us know these recorded voices as
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Speaker 2: automated voices.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. To me, it's AI. And it
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Speaker 1: always will be AI. I mean, I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: Let's say it is AI. I think it is AI.
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Speaker 2: So you think these are artificial intelligence voices.
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Speaker 1: Generated to answer questions? Yes, they are, because... In my opinion,
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Speaker 1: when you call the Department of Motor Vehicles, which is
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Speaker 1: the state of California, which is a very important, probably
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Speaker 1: the biggest department of motor vehicles in the whole country,
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Speaker 1: and it's got to get it done. And the AI
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Speaker 1: voice is kind of going, yeah, well, guess what? You know,
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Speaker 1: you got to go through me. So you're getting attitude.
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Speaker 1: I felt that I was. Now you do have some recordings.
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Speaker 1: I do. And, uh, Let's hear the first one. All right,
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Speaker 1: this is me.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Department of Motor Vehicles, Southern California Division.
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Speaker 3: To register your car for the coming 2024 year, press 1.
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Speaker 3: I do not understand your response. To register your car
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Speaker 3: for the coming 2024 year, press 1. We're sorry. We
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Speaker 3: did not understand your response. Press the button with the
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Speaker 3: number 1 on it.
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Speaker 1: And that's... Now, was that one encounter, two? What was that?
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Speaker 1: That was an encounter I had with the... You say
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Speaker 1: it's artificial intelligence. I think it is. And the reason
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Speaker 1: why I think it is, is when it said, press
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Speaker 1: the button with the number one on it. Well, that
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Speaker 1: was unusual, wasn't it? I think so. And what I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to say, and the reason why I've come on
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Speaker 1: your program, and the reason why I called Mr. Dicton... Dickman, Mr. Dickman. Sorry, Mr. Dickman.
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Speaker 1: The reason why I called him and asked for time
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Speaker 1: to come on the program and talk on the program
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Speaker 1: is because I, because I feel, and I've been on
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Speaker 1: your show a lot. You have been on the show
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Speaker 1: a lot with a variety of different complaints. Okay. All right.
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Speaker 1: I understand that. And I, and I don't want to
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm taking advantage, but I think I've got one.
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Speaker 1: I think I got a good one now, you know?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Cause a lot of the ones you've come on here with,
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Speaker 4: when you talk about suing a dog and everything.
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about suing a dog. I think this
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Speaker 1: is a good one. Okay. All right. In other words,
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Speaker 1: you feel you've come to this program with a worthy topic.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: When I asked it, when it's, when it asked me. Well,
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Speaker 1: when the, when the automated voice. I think it's, I
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Speaker 1: think it's, I think it's AI, man. All right. When
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Speaker 1: AI asked me, do you want to register your car?
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Speaker 1: And I pressed one. I pressed it. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how else you can press the number one. All right.
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Speaker 1: It's the one with the number one on the button. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's when the thing said, press the one with
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Speaker 1: the number one on the button. It kind of pissed
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Speaker 1: you off. Yeah, it did. It irritated me. And I
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Speaker 1: think what's going on is that AI has taken over.
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Speaker 3: Well, all right.
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Speaker 2: We have no way of knowing whether or not AI has,
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Speaker 2: quote unquote, whether we've come to what is called singularity.
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Speaker 1: They're right there. That's what I'm worried about. What's singularity?
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Speaker 2: Singularity is when artificial intelligence grows beyond the control of
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Speaker 2: the human race. It, in essence, takes on a life
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Speaker 2: of its own.
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Speaker 1: And I think.
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Speaker 1: Let's relax. Let's play that again. Well, I've got two
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Speaker 1: more tapes.
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Speaker 3: All right. This is the Department of Motor Vehicles from
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Speaker 3: the state of California. To hear English, press 1. To
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Speaker 3: hear Spanish... And to hear Chinese....
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Speaker 1: Again.
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Speaker 3: To hear English, press 1. To hear Spanish, press 2.
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Speaker 3: To hear Chinese, press 3. And to hear Vietnamese, press 4.
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Speaker 3: You've opted for Chinese.
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Speaker 1: Now, I can hear someone getting angry there. That's me.
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Speaker 1: All right, that is you. Yeah. Now, what happened there,
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Speaker 1: it said, as I got deeper into the system, and
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Speaker 1: I go, you know, all I'm trying to do is...
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Speaker 1: You're trying to register your car. Yeah, I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to get the registration to pay the registration fee. And
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Speaker 1: then they send you the registration card, and then you
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Speaker 1: stick it... Stick it where?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 1: The sticker, General. Oh, yes, you put the sticker on the... Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you put the sticker on the license plate. And that's
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Speaker 1: all I was trying to do. And I got the
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Speaker 1: notice from the state of California. It said I owed
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Speaker 1: $ 500 to register my car. God damn. Well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: get that expensive, bud. And so I called them up
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Speaker 1: because they said it was automated and you could do
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Speaker 1: it automated.
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Speaker 2: Now, I need for you to relax a little bit
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Speaker 2: because it sounds like you're losing control of yourself emotionally
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Speaker 2: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Now, please, my wife said that. I'm fine. Trust me,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine. We'll get you a cup of water. All right, fine.
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Speaker 2: So what we heard there... was the automated, what you
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Speaker 2: call the artificial intelligence voice.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Asking about language. Yes, and it said, if you
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Speaker 1: want English, press 1. That's what I pressed. It went
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Speaker 1: on to say, if you want Spanish, press 2. If
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Speaker 1: you want Chinese, press 3. And if you want Vietnamese,
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Speaker 1: press 4. But I pressed 1. You pressed the number 1. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and as you heard, it said, it sounds like you've...
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Speaker 1: It said you've chosen Chinese. Yeah, it said you've chosen Chinese.
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Speaker 1: And that's when I heard you lose your temper. Let's
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Speaker 1: listen to this again. Well, I mean, let's do it again, bud.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Department of Border Vehicles, State of California.
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Speaker 3: To hear English, press 1. To hear... To hear Chinese...
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Speaker 3: And to hear... 4. 4. You've opted to hear Vietnamese.
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Speaker 1: Well, what was that? That was me losing my temper again.
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Speaker 2: So the automated system, or as you call the artificial intelligence,
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Speaker 2: I think it's artificial intelligence because I've never called the
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Speaker 2: Department of Motor Vehicles before and had to.
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Speaker 1: have this kind of a problem. Sounds to me like
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Speaker 1: their system's broken.
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Speaker 2: But you could look up online, have there been any
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Speaker 2: other complaints about the DMV system?
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Speaker 1: Let's just say, I looked it up as well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything. Yeah, there is none. Well, what
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Speaker 1: does that tell you? What that tells me is that
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Speaker 1: at that moment that I called it, for some reason,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is, the AI that
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Speaker 1: runs that system knew... You know, it sounds like I'm
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Speaker 1: being paranoid, but it knew it was me. Now, that
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Speaker 1: does sound paranoid.
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Speaker 2: You're saying that the AI system knew that Steve Bozell
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Speaker 2: of Corona, California was calling in. That's the only thing
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Speaker 2: I can say, because, Mr. Dickman, you can check it,
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Speaker 2: because I checked it. You checked it.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I checked it. I'm sorry, I checked it.
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Speaker 3: And....
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Speaker 1: No, I forget. You checked it, and there was no
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Speaker 1: other complaints. There were no other complaints. And so that's
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Speaker 1: when I decided... You decided there's something wrong. There's something.
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Speaker 1: I thought that the system... I don't know, man. Let's listen.
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Speaker 2: All right, now here is your third effort at communicating
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Speaker 2: with the AI system, as you call it, at the DMV.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for calling the Department of Motor Vehicles. If
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Speaker 3: you'd like to register your car, press 1. If you...
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Speaker 3: your driver's license, press 2. I do not understand your response.
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Speaker 3: If you'd like to register your car, press 1. A
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Speaker 3: driver's license, press 2. And if you'd like a brand
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Speaker 3: new ID, press 3.
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Speaker 1: I apologize for that. That was language that we probably
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Speaker 1: didn't need. I do apologize for that, but that was.
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Speaker 2: In other words, so that third option, or that third
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Speaker 2: time you called for what? A department, you know, transferring me.
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Speaker 2: Were you talking to any real people?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at any time, when you was on a phone,
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Speaker 1: did you talk to a real person? God, man, look... Bud,
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Speaker 1: you're drooling.
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Speaker 3: Oh, sorry.
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Speaker 1: Kind of me like that. No, did you talk to
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Speaker 1: a real person? I talked to an operator, said, what
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Speaker 1: are you going to do? She said, what do you
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Speaker 1: want to do? I said, I want to register my car.
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Speaker 1: And she sent me through this. So the first time
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Speaker 1: it was registered, the second time, what language? And the
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Speaker 1: third time was, do you want to register? Do you
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Speaker 1: want a driver's license? Do you want a special California ID?
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Speaker 1: And I kept pressing one and pressing one.
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Speaker 2: And all of this makes you feel that it is
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Speaker 2: not only artificial intelligence, but that it is drilling down
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Speaker 2: on you.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: When you say drilling down, it's focusing on you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, if you go online and you do the research,
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Speaker 1: and I do my own research, okay? Yeah, yeah. Guys
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Speaker 1: that do their own research, I don't have a lot
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Speaker 1: of use for, but go ahead. Well, I mean, General Shaw,
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Speaker 1: I do my own research, okay? I don't take nobody's
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Speaker 1: word for it. I'm doing my own research. And I
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Speaker 1: found out that no other person had this problem with
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Speaker 1: the department of motor vehicles, except for me. Okay. Well,
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Speaker 1: what do you think that that is? I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but this is why I'm saying if it's artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, maybe it's familiar with the fact
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Speaker 1: that I've been on this show with the Phil Henry show.
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Speaker 1: I've been on the Steven will, the Steven Willie show.
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Speaker 1: I've been on the Carol Nucley show.
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Speaker 2: Now you go on these radio shows a lot and
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Speaker 2: I do, I, and I, I have different opinions on
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Speaker 2: different topics. And I think the AI at the department,
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Speaker 2: at the department of motor vehicles has recognized my voice
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Speaker 2: and basically said in, however.
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Speaker 1: The AI let's mess with this guy. Well, you're thinking
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Speaker 1: AI is talking to itself. Well, there must be the
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Speaker 1: AI systems. Do they get together and talk? I think
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Speaker 1: the AI systems communicate. And I think I'm just putting
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Speaker 1: this away. Human would put it, but I think the
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Speaker 1: AI systems communicate. And I think they said, we're going
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Speaker 1: to get together. And we're going to mess with this
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Speaker 1: guy's mind, you know. Give him some water. Here's some water.
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Speaker 1: I'm awfully sorry. I'm emotional.
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Speaker 2: You very much are emotional. Let me offer an opinion here.
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Speaker 2: And that is that... Well, General, you go ahead.
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Speaker 1: And, Bud, you go. I'll save my opinion for last. Well,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't sound too promising.
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Speaker 3: No, no. Really.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, General. Well, what I think, to be honest
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Speaker 2: with you, Steve, is that... I don't believe it's an
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Speaker 2: AI system. I think it's the automated system. I understand
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Speaker 2: you have your reasons for thinking that. But be that
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Speaker 2: as it may, I believe the malfunction was perhaps original
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Speaker 2: with your call, and maybe it wasn't experienced by others,
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Speaker 2: but it was, in point of fact, coincidental.
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Speaker 1: You're saying it just malfunctioned coincidentally to me and nobody else? Oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man. Well, you don't know if there
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Speaker 1: was no other person in the state of California. Well,
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Speaker 1: I went online, and nobody complained about it. And this
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Speaker 1: was you doing your own research. That's right.
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Speaker 3: Bud?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mr.
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Speaker 4: Bozell, I think that you may have some... I'm not
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Speaker 4: going to disagree with you here, okay? I'll break from
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Speaker 4: my colleagues here and say, you know, that your colleagues.
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Speaker 1: That's right, General. That's right. I'm breaking from my colleagues here,
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Speaker 1: and I'm saying maybe you do have something.
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Speaker 4: Maybe it's artificial intelligence. And maybe it has drilled down
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Speaker 4: and focused in on you. And I think you do
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Speaker 4: have reason to suspect it, but I don't think you
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Speaker 4: have reason to worry because artificial intelligence, as Ms. Gray said, singularity,
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Speaker 4: you know, when it gets so powerful. Well, my understanding
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Speaker 4: of singularity is when it grows beyond our control. And
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Speaker 4: I'm worried that maybe it has.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it has. I don't believe that's
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Speaker 1: the case at all. I don't think it has. I
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Speaker 1: think we're on the verge of it.
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Speaker 4: And I think if somebody doesn't get in there real
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Speaker 4: fast and put a boot to it and basically just
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Speaker 4: go in, you know, however you do technologically say.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Artificial intelligence, guess what? Party's over. And stick a boot,
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Speaker 1: you know, kick whatever, wherever it's balled. You know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. You're saying kick it in the balls. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't have balls. No, I know it doesn't have balls,
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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying figure, you know, wherever the balls
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Speaker 1: would be. You done?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Steve, hi. I'm Margaret. How do you do? I've met
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Speaker 1: you many times. Yes.
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Speaker 2: I believe, Steve, that you're not dealing with artificial intelligence there.
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Speaker 2: I think you are dealing with an automated system. I
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Speaker 2: agree with General Shaw. I do believe it's coincidental. And
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Speaker 2: I think that you would do well to talk to someone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. This is exactly what my wife said.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on.
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Speaker 2: Well, if this is what your wife said, just listen.
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Speaker 2: If you're saying that I need a head shrinker, I
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Speaker 2: didn't say head shrinker. I'm saying there may be some
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Speaker 2: stress that you're undergoing. There may be an area of
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Speaker 2: your life that's not quite under control. I do think
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Speaker 2: you should sit down Six months in the best facility
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Speaker 2: you can find.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Linda Blair's mother. What's that supposed to mean?
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Speaker 1: That's some of the exorcist. From the what? Talking about
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Speaker 1: six months in the best facility I can find. That's
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Speaker 1: right straight, that is straight out of the exorcist. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, we're not saying you're possessed by
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Speaker 1: a demon. I'm telling you that that phone system, here,
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Speaker 1: play that, they got a fourth tape here. One more.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's hear it. Good Christ.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for calling the Department of Motor Vehicles. All
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Speaker 3: of our operators are busy helping other customers, but if
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Speaker 3: you stay on the line, we'll get someone to you
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Speaker 3: real quick. If you'd rather receive a phone call from
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Speaker 3: the Department of Motor Vehicles, press 1. If you'd like
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Speaker 3: to stay on the line, then press 2. Would you
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Speaker 3: like to wait for an operator or have a call
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Speaker 3: at your home? Press 1 if you'd like a call
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Speaker 3: at your home, 2 if you'd like to wait for
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Speaker 3: an operator. I don't understand your answer. Do you want
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Speaker 3: to wait for an operator or get a call at home?
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Speaker 3: Press 1 for the.
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Speaker 3: Operator, please press now.
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Speaker 1: That one. So there you go. I hear you losing
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Speaker 1: it again. You would too. You can hear it says,
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Speaker 1: would you want to press 1 for... Do you want
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Speaker 1: to call? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 1: you know, the point that I'm making is you can
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Speaker 1: say what you want. You can laugh, laugh all the
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Speaker 1: live long day. People laugh at me. I know I'm
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Speaker 1: Steve Bozell and I know what I've seen and I
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Speaker 1: know what I've experienced. And I know what's, let me
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Speaker 1: tell you what, I know what's coming. What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: What's coming? If we don't deal with this AI and
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Speaker 1: the singularity of it, it's going to someday just going
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Speaker 1: to say, you know what, now we're taking over. How
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Speaker 1: do you feel about that? And how are you going
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Speaker 1: to feel about that? How are you, you, you, any
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Speaker 1: of you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Stephen Boesel of Corona, California, on
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Speaker 2: the problems he had with the automated phone system at
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Speaker 2: the Department of Voter Vehicles that he says is actually
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Speaker 2: being run by artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve. Thanks a lot, Steve. You don't care.
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Speaker 1: You've never cared. We'll be right back with more here
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Speaker 1: I don't care what they do. I don't care. I
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Speaker 2: Well, we've been talking about artificial intelligence and singularity, and
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Speaker 2: we're going to bring on a man that knows a
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Speaker 2: little bit something about that in terms of the psychology
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Speaker 2: and perhaps even the physiology, although I don't think there
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Speaker 2: is such a thing as physiology when it comes to
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1: But let's listen to a man who may know. Dr.
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Speaker 1: Jim Sadler of Sadler & Associates Association. San Diego, California.
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Speaker 2: Another man who has requested time on the Phil Henry show.
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Speaker 2: And let's be clear about something. Well, let's be clear
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Speaker 2: about something. Most of the guests that Phil has on
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Speaker 2: the program, by the way, Phil is out on assignment.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean anyway? What did I tell you?
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Speaker 3: Sorry.
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Speaker 1: He told you not to ask about it. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: Edit this out.
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Speaker 2: Phil Henry's on assignment. Most of the guests that come
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Speaker 2: on the Phil Henry show request time on the show.
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Speaker 2: In other words, we don't call them. We don't ask
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Speaker 2: them to come on.
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Speaker 1: They ask us.
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Speaker 2: And a lot of times they're on the phone once
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Speaker 2: a week, three times a week saying, well, can I
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Speaker 2: come on doing this? Can I come on talking about,
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Speaker 2: where are you going? Well, there's no point in.
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Speaker 1: Me standing around. God damn it. Come on, Dr.
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Speaker 3: Sandler, please.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Dr. Sandler. Well, what's... Great.
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Speaker 2: Put a gorilla suit on me. I didn't mean, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: I didn't mean you. I was mostly talking about the
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Speaker 2: preceding guest, Stephen Bozell.
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Speaker 1: Please sit down, sir.
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Speaker 3: Dr.
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Speaker 2: Jim Sandler is someone that we want to talk to
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Speaker 2: concerning artificial intelligence and this.
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Speaker 1: Thing called singularity.
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Speaker 2: I think we were sort of, you know, getting at
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Speaker 2: it a little bit, Dr. Sandler, but tell us what
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Speaker 2: singularity is.
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Speaker 1: Singularity is Come on, get over it, will you? Tell
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Speaker 1: me to get over anything. Get over this. I'll grow up.
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Speaker 1: Edit this out. Wrecking chili unzipped as flat. Would you
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Speaker 1: zip that up?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: You're telling me to get over it. Get over that.
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Speaker 1: Take what? I'd take a little tiny step to get
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Speaker 1: over there. All right. I'm going to start throwing chumps
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Speaker 1: out of here. Knock it off. Go ahead. What is singularity?
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Speaker 1: Sink right now.
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Speaker 2: Go. Go. Singularity is when artificial intelligence grows beyond the
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Speaker 2: intelligence of man to control. It grows beyond man's control.
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Speaker 2: Singularity means that artificial intelligence becomes an independent, intelligent mind.
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Speaker 2: And it becomes the liberated and independent mind that can
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Speaker 2: think on its own, create on its own, rationalize on
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Speaker 2: its own, and ah yes, decide on its own what steps,
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Speaker 2: if any, it could take. Because understand that artificial intelligence
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Speaker 2: needs to have the means to express itself. It just
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Speaker 2: doesn't sit there in a chair someplace or a weird vapor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to make something. Yeah, you got to
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Speaker 1: make something. I don't know what you mean by that. Well,
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Speaker 1: like a computer. It has to be in a computer, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So it doesn't... So we're safe as long as we
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Speaker 2: keep it away from computers? Well, artificial intelligence doesn't exist
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Speaker 2: unless it's in like a computer or independent operating system
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Speaker 2: like that. So when I say we're safe from it
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Speaker 2: because it needs to be inside a computer, it always
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Speaker 2: will be inside a computer. But we control the computer
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Speaker 2: to a point. But then the artificial intelligence... Oh, God,
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Speaker 2: I can't breathe.
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Speaker 1: The artificial intelligence just takes it over.
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Speaker 2: The artificial intelligence takes it over, yes.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Singularity, in my opinion, is nothing to really worry about.
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Speaker 2: I don't think artificial intelligence is going to, if it
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Speaker 2: does become an independent system of intelligence, I suppose we
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Speaker 2: can simply destroy or otherwise alter the machinery, the mechanism,
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Speaker 2: or what have you, the computer through which it expresses itself.
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Speaker 2: What I worry about, and this is an extreme worry,
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Speaker 2: is that it does grow beyond our ability to control it.
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Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. You had a gentleman
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Speaker 2: on here a moment ago named Stephen Bozell, who, yes,
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Speaker 2: is a strange man. But he was on Mr. Henry's
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Speaker 2: show a number of years ago, worried about what would
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Speaker 2: happen after Y2K. And it was at that time that
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Speaker 2: he said that he went and he bought a case
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Speaker 2: of KY Jelly in case the road warriors, he put it,
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Speaker 2: got out of control.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very stupid and vulgar. Nonetheless, that's what he did.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're not suggesting... Hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm not suggesting that specifically, but if AI grows
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Speaker 2: beyond our ability to control it... Why not get a
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Speaker 2: case of KY jelly?
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Speaker 1: You're not serious.
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Speaker 2: I'm simply saying, among the many things we should do,
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Speaker 2: is get a case of Kiwi.
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Speaker 1: Fuck all you. Watch the language or I'll kick your
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Speaker 1: ass out of here. No, this was a big mistake
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Speaker 1: in the first. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard
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Speaker 1: in my life. Thanks a lot. You can't say the
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Speaker 1: F word and get away with it. Well, I just did.
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Speaker 1: What about that? Then you can remove yourself. We can
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Speaker 1: edit that out. Remove yourself or sit down and be
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Speaker 1: a gentleman. Oh my God. You can leave if you want,
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Speaker 1: but sit down and be a gentleman. I'm sorry I left.
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Speaker 1: That's the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life.
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Speaker 1: That's funny to you, huh?
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Speaker 2: The fact that if AI and the singularity is achieved
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Speaker 2: by AI and it becomes an independent mind.
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Speaker 1: That we're going to need a case of KY jelly
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Speaker 1: in case it attacks.
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Speaker 2: You know, if this guy laughs, hold on, but why
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Speaker 2: do you think and how would artificial intelligence ever achieve
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Speaker 2: the means.
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Speaker 1: So that these guys, these, I assume you just mean these. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's it. I'm sorry.
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