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Growing Your Own Food is a Winning Idea · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: They called me nature Boy as a kid because I've
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Speaker 2: always loved nature and I was a wrestler. I wrote
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Speaker 2: my goals at nineteen. Our college wrestling coach said everybody
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Speaker 2: has to write their goals. I wrote that I wanted
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Speaker 2: to be a three time All American and national champion.
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Speaker 2: And when the coach saw my goals, he smirked and
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Speaker 2: he said, these.
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Speaker 1: Goals are kind of lofty, don't you think.
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Speaker 2: Well, the act of writing the goals and visualizing helped
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Speaker 2: me become a full time All American and national champion.
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Speaker 2: I then moved to Hawaii and bartended for a few years,
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Speaker 2: and then I traveled to Africa and Asian all over
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Speaker 2: the world. I met a lot of awesome people. And
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Speaker 2: then I wrote my goals for the second time. I
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Speaker 2: was twenty nine and I wrote that I wanted to
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Speaker 2: be retired in three years. And I got back to
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Speaker 2: Minnesota broke, and the guy at the bar said, hey, Jim,
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Speaker 2: you should come work for my mortgage company, which I did,
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Speaker 2: and about three and a half years later did one
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Speaker 2: point three billion dollars in gross revenue and bought a
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Speaker 2: boat and went to live on the Ocean to develop
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Speaker 2: the Wisdom Foundation, which is about getting good stuff taught
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Speaker 2: in schools.
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Speaker 1: And I.
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Speaker 2: Went up against the Board of Education and a bunch
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Speaker 2: of teachers who were upset with me for criticizing them,
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Speaker 2: and I wasn't even criticizing them. I was simply offering
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Speaker 2: something to them that had changed my life. And then
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Speaker 2: fast forward, I moved to Costa Rica, and that was
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Speaker 2: when I learned that the world is controlled by crazy people.
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Speaker 2: And that's when I went into scarcity. And so that
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Speaker 2: led me to hear, right, people say, what got you here? Well,
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Speaker 2: quite frankly, what got me here is pain and suffering
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Speaker 2: and failure and desperation.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean though, by fear and suffering and
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Speaker 3: desperation and getting you here? Like, what was that about?
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Speaker 2: I learned in two thousand and seven that the way
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Speaker 2: we are using our resources is unsustainable and all unsustainable
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Speaker 2: systems fail. And I have four daughters, and then I
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Speaker 2: earned that it's not because people are bad by our
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Speaker 2: very nature. It's because we are being led to the
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Speaker 2: destruction of our natural world by when I call evil
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Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, everybody knows what evil means.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of different perspectives on evil. I just
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Speaker 1: call it evil.
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Speaker 2: And I went into a scarcity frame of mind because
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Speaker 2: I was worried about the future for my kids and
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Speaker 2: my future grandkids. And then I started investing everything I owned,
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Speaker 2: my energy, my time, my money into studying the problem.
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Speaker 2: And I studied the problem all day, every day, twelve
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Speaker 2: hours a day, for at least two years.
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Speaker 1: And that's when I read Bill Moleson's quote.
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Speaker 2: Bill Molson was the founder of permaculture, which is all
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Speaker 2: around me.
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Speaker 1: It's nature.
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Speaker 2: It's modeling after what works and designing our land to
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Speaker 2: be productive and then to become the stewards.
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Speaker 1: Of our land.
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Speaker 2: So I read his quote, his quote as though the
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Speaker 2: problems of our world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain
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Speaker 2: embarrassingly simple.
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Speaker 1: And I started to.
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Speaker 3: Sob okay, and you are now involved with Pima culture.
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Speaker 3: What is that?
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Speaker 2: Permaculture is a strategy to solve.
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Speaker 1: All of the world's biggest problems.
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Speaker 2: It is based on the ethics of people care, EarthCare,
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Speaker 2: and reinvesting our surplus to people care and EarthCare.
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Speaker 1: And it has a set of principles.
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Speaker 2: That mimic and model after what works in a natural system. So,
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Speaker 2: for instance, I'm sitting here in a three year old
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Speaker 2: food forest. Three years ago, there was no nothing around
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Speaker 2: me but sand, Florida sugar sand, kind of like what
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Speaker 2: you can see on the ground right there.
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Speaker 1: That was everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm surrounded by a perennial food forest with over
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Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty different types of food producing plants.
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Speaker 2: And I can walk outside right now, and I can
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Speaker 2: just anytime I want, I can go grab a meal
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Speaker 2: for my family. And I'm not a farmer, and I
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Speaker 2: never want to be a farmer. I'm just a harvester
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Speaker 2: because we've designed our land effectively and efficiently.
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Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, so, Permaculture is a way of integrating
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Speaker 3: everything that you all growing with the environment. Is that right?
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Speaker 1: That's right? Yep.
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Speaker 2: Nature God's design, whatever perspective you want to call it.
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Speaker 2: Nature does all the work when we design it properly.
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Speaker 2: For instance, the Amazon rainforest was a designed food forest
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Speaker 2: five thousand years ago.
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Speaker 3: How does that differ then from any other top of farming.
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Speaker 2: Well, for one is we have no poisons in our system,
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Speaker 2: and we have no gmo crops in our system. And
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Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing is we take the poisons out
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Speaker 2: and we use plants that are made for this zone,
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Speaker 2: and we have a wide diversity of plants. So in
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Speaker 2: an area of this size, in a normal farm, there
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Speaker 2: would be one crop, and that is not natural.
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Speaker 1: You cannot grow food.
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Speaker 2: Without poisons when you grow food in an unnatural way,
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Speaker 2: because the locusts will come in, or the mice or
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Speaker 2: the rabbits or whatever pest that you have there, it'll
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Speaker 2: come in and it'll find a feast, and then it'll
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Speaker 2: have millions of babies, and pretty soon you've got a
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Speaker 2: plague of locusts with no food unless you want to
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Speaker 2: eat locusts. Right, this system is built on diversity. So
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Speaker 2: diversity is the foundation of strengths of the system.
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Speaker 1: So right around me we.
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Speaker 2: Have bananas and chya and mulberries and leeches and longins
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Speaker 2: and guavas, and I mean there's just infinite diversity all
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Speaker 2: around me and bugs. The bug that likes the mulberry
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Speaker 2: doesn't like the guava. Typically, when you add longevity to
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Speaker 2: the idea of efficiency, it's radically inefficient.
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Speaker 1: Right. So what we're doing all around the world is
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Speaker 1: we're mining our soil and we're destroying the microbiome that
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Speaker 1: literally creates the life that we live here on earth.
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Speaker 2: So when you put these poisons down, you might be
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Speaker 2: serving that one plant for a short term. But the
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Speaker 2: nutrient density of our food has fallen off a cliff
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Speaker 2: because now we're growing it not.
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Speaker 1: For nutrient density and not for regeneration.
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Speaker 2: We're growing it simply so it looks good and it
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Speaker 2: can store and.
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Speaker 1: Transportation to get on the shelf.
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Speaker 2: So a monoculture is something like one hundred acres of
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Speaker 2: corn or soy or any of these crops that are
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Speaker 2: you drive by, and it's one.
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Speaker 1: Monochromatic, one color, one level.
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Speaker 2: What I'm sitting in is a food forest that is
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Speaker 2: infinitely more productive and.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to farm it. Right.
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Speaker 2: So, everything that we've been taught in the last several
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Speaker 2: generations by the big egg companies and the big poison
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Speaker 2: producing companies who have the marketing budget to convince us
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Speaker 2: that what they're doing is correct, everything that they're teaching
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Speaker 2: is absolutely opposite of what is functional and what works
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Speaker 2: in a natural system.
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Speaker 1: And I'll go a few levels deeper. Here.
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Speaker 2: We have about forty seven million acres of law and
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Speaker 2: in the United States of law, if we simply took
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Speaker 2: half of that, let's call it twenty five million acres
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Speaker 2: and we put regenerative permaculture food systems on there. Then
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Speaker 2: the eight hundred and ninety million acres of farmland that
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Speaker 2: is mostly poisoned and being destroyed would literally go back
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Speaker 2: to nature because we wouldn't need it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but isn't the purpose of monoculture to mass produce.
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Speaker 2: It is, and it's very effective for a short term
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Speaker 2: relative to the history of life on Earth, it's effective
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Speaker 2: for several generations. And then the whole all the land
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Speaker 2: that those crops are on is failing, and it's failing
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Speaker 2: now at a rate that's exponential.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: The crops are failing, the nutrient density is failing, the
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Speaker 2: soil is being killed in mind, which is creating dust
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Speaker 2: bowls again. Now, so the act of centralizing.
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Speaker 1: In fact, you can look this up. I believe it is.
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Speaker 2: The company black Rock, which is not only the name,
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Speaker 2: it's the intention, is now in control through its investment
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Speaker 2: strategy of over ninety percent of our food supply. What
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Speaker 2: we need to do again, and it's joyful and beneficial
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Speaker 2: on every conceivable level, is we need to become the
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Speaker 2: stewards of our land again. And doing so is not work.
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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate play. It is so joyful, this system,
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Speaker 2: with the birds and the butterflies and all the life.
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Speaker 1: This system calls to me.
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Speaker 2: I wake up in the morning, I have a coffee,
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Speaker 2: and I cannot wait to walk outside and see what
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Speaker 2: kind of treasures nature is giving me.
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Speaker 3: I've got a friend who is a farmer. He doesn't
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Speaker 3: form minoculture and he doesn't form permaculture. I suppose you
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Speaker 3: could say he's somewhere in between. He does a top
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Speaker 3: of regenerative farming, but he makes the same point as you.
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Speaker 3: He says that the foundation of farming is the soil.
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Speaker 3: And what we see around us in sort of big
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Speaker 3: agriculture is the destruction of the soil. It doesn't last
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Speaker 3: that long, and then what what you do later?
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Speaker 2: You starve mass mass destruction of our soil, which is
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Speaker 2: happening globally, is the biggest problem. Like I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: the result of the biggest problem, which is the poisons.
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Speaker 2: Poisons are the biggest problem, and the insane use of
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Speaker 2: our resources, which is that's it. So at the end
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Speaker 2: of the day, we are going to experience one of
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Speaker 2: two things, and it's happening already very fast. We are
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Speaker 2: either going to experience a transition which must be led
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Speaker 2: by the people, individuals becoming producers as well as consumers,
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Speaker 2: or we are going to experience collapse. Transition is beautiful,
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Speaker 2: it's joyful. It promotes health and wellness and regeneration. Collapse
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Speaker 2: could mean the death of billions of people worldwide.
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Speaker 3: If I go past a huge form as you talked
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Speaker 3: about the monoculture, you don't see any animal life or
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Speaker 3: bird life or anything. It's almost like a desert.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: These are biological death zones.
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Speaker 2: In a typical forest, you have layers of life. You've
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Speaker 2: got the roots and tubers that are under the soil,
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Speaker 2: and you've got your herbaceous layer, a lot of mushrooms
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Speaker 2: and medicinal plants, especially right here. And then you've got
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Speaker 2: your shrubs and your shorter shrubs and bushes, and your
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Speaker 2: understory trees and your overstory trees, and then you've.
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Speaker 1: Got your vines going up them.
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Speaker 2: Right. In a monoculture system, you have one layer of food. Typically,
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Speaker 2: and by the way, your friend that does the regenerative farming,
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Speaker 2: anything that's regenerative falls under the general idea of permanent culture.
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Speaker 2: What we're advocating and demonstrating is stewardship is the joy
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Speaker 2: and the stacking of functionality, the benefits of becoming stewards
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Speaker 2: of our land, and that ultimately that's how we change
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Speaker 2: the world. And that's what it used to be for
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Speaker 2: the history of humanity. The indigenous people were the.
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Speaker 1: Stewards of the land.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's biblical, it's logical, it's scientific. So we're talking
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Speaker 2: about going away from the thousand acre farms and going
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Speaker 2: back to the quarter acre farm, right, which is normal,
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Speaker 2: by the way, still in Costa Rica and Nicaragua and
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Speaker 2: all the I was just in Mexico and.
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Speaker 1: I was driving down.
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Speaker 2: We're driving down the road and right right in the
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Speaker 2: heart of town, and there was mango trees that had
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Speaker 2: over a thousand mangos. There was tamer and trees and
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Speaker 2: guava trees and coconut trees. There was food everywhere, and
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Speaker 2: zewat and naoic Stapa Mexico.
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Speaker 1: And that's logical, that's so normal.
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Speaker 2: Let's take out the ornamental plants and put plants in
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Speaker 2: that you can eat from when you're walking down the road.
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Speaker 3: It does make sense because if you decentralize the growing
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Speaker 3: of food like that, you still end up with enough food.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so much more than enough.
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Speaker 2: Probably ninety percent of the food that's growing here goes
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Speaker 2: right back into the soil because we don't need it
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Speaker 2: all right, the just the sweet potatoes. We've harvested maybe
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Speaker 2: two three hundred pounds of sweet potatoes. I am certain
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Speaker 2: that we're growing two or three tons of sweet potatoes.
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Speaker 2: So what we're doing. We had an event. Across the
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Speaker 2: street from us is the Sheriff's station. It's funny because
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Speaker 2: everything we're doing is illegal but lawful. And across the
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Speaker 2: street is the Sheriff's training center. They had a big
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Speaker 2: sheriff's convention and I filled up a whirld barrow full
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Speaker 2: of sweet potatoes and sweet potato starts, and I put
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Speaker 2: it on film, and I walked over and I said, hey, sheriffs,
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Speaker 2: you want to reduce crime, right, isn't that your job
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Speaker 2: as a sheriff to reduce crime? Well, here, start handing
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Speaker 2: out sweet potato starts to all of your community, and
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Speaker 2: get your officers to start planting sweet potatoes and different
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Speaker 2: things in parks and on common area. When all of
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Speaker 2: our neighbors kids have food, then we have a lot
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Speaker 2: less crime.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean by illegal but loawful.
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Speaker 2: So I have learned quite a while back that the
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Speaker 2: government does not hold any moral authority over me, And
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Speaker 2: so I built our family homestead without asking for permission.
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Speaker 2: We built our home without getting building permission. We publicly
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Speaker 2: will not pay taxes on land or labor by the
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Speaker 2: threat of violence.
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Speaker 1: Instead, we will voluntarily serve our community.
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Speaker 2: So we actually are working with the local pastor, and
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Speaker 2: the pastor invited us in and we gave sweet potatoes
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Speaker 2: starts to like one hundred families on a Sunday morning.
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Speaker 2: And now those hundred families, it's the whole teach them
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Speaker 2: the fish principle.
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Speaker 1: Now they're growing food. And so what we're doing.
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Speaker 2: Here and we're inviting and creating the network for this
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Speaker 2: to happen globally, is we're creating.
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Speaker 1: A local food secure community.
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Speaker 2: And it's all about you cannot hide from what's happening.
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Speaker 2: So the most important thing now that we are more
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Speaker 2: than food secure, is making sure our neighbors' kids are
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Speaker 2: food secure, and our neighbors and our community is food secure.
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Speaker 2: Then if we do have a collapse, at least we've
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Speaker 2: got our foundation of food security cover.
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Speaker 3: But it's such a great catch twenty two for law enforcement.
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Speaker 3: They'll come to your property and they'll accuse you of
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Speaker 3: your crime and you go, well, what have I done wrong?
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Speaker 3: And they'll they'll they'll look at you and they go, well,
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Speaker 3: you're giving people healthy food, that's your card.
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Speaker 2: It was so we had a government agent come here
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Speaker 2: about nineteen months ago and he shows up and I
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Speaker 2: get the call and he's in front of my family homestead, right,
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Speaker 2: and we put it all in. I mean, we're one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent committed to this for a lot of logical
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Speaker 2: reasons that I can get into. But I got the
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Speaker 2: word that the government agent was here, and I had
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Speaker 2: a wave of adrenaline go through my body. Right, I
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Speaker 2: had guza. I'm like, oh, gosh, okay, here we go.
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Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this for about two years at
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Speaker 2: that point. And I walked over to him and I
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Speaker 2: turned on my phone and I walked up and I said, hello,
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Speaker 2: my name is Jim Gaale and I'm recording this conversation
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Speaker 2: so we don't mix up any words here. And he said, Hi,
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Speaker 2: my name's Alexi. I said, well, it's nice to meet you, Alexi,
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Speaker 2: but how did you get permission to come on my land?
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Speaker 2: Implied consent is not granted and it's posted. And I
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Speaker 2: expected him to say I'm from the government and I
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Speaker 2: have the right to be here, which is both legally
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Speaker 2: and lawfully not true according to case law. But he
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Speaker 2: didn't say that. He said, I'm sorry the gate was opened,
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Speaker 2: so I came in, but I will leave if you
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Speaker 2: want me to.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that awesome?
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Speaker 2: I said, well maybe, but before you leave, can I
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Speaker 2: show you something? Because we don't want to fight anybody.
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Speaker 2: We don't want to fight the existing reality. We want
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Speaker 2: to build the new model. We have built the new model,
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Speaker 2: which is not really new, it's the oldest model in
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Speaker 2: the book. But I said, can I show you what
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Speaker 2: we're doing? So we walked over into the food forest
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Speaker 2: and I said, it.
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Speaker 4: Is our duty to be the protectors of this land,
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Speaker 4: to be the stewards, and what your agency will represent
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Speaker 4: is the death of our world right.
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Speaker 2: And he had this little clipboard with a paper with
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Speaker 2: check marks, and I said, that little batch of check
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Speaker 2: marks represents every hoa community that you have approved. Up
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Speaker 2: and down the road where you took a forest, you
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Speaker 2: cut it all down, you built a parking lot and
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Speaker 2: you put grass and there's no life. There's no birds
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Speaker 2: or bees, there's songs, there's no life and food in
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Speaker 2: these communities. The people are suffering and the land is suffering.
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Speaker 2: And he got tears in his eyes. He said, you're right,
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Speaker 2: I will never bother you again. And they have not
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Speaker 2: been back.
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Speaker 3: I remember, Jim a few years ago when you when
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Speaker 3: you're not chatted for the first time, you sent me
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Speaker 3: photographs of what that area behind you looked like and
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Speaker 3: it legit was sand.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it was.
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Speaker 3: But do you need a skill set? You do you
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Speaker 3: need to study farming?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's funny.
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Speaker 2: I was just walking through the property and I found
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Speaker 2: this fruit today and I have no idea what this
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Speaker 2: is right, it tastes kind of good.
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Speaker 1: I don't know shit.
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Speaker 2: Relative to what there is to know right. What I
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Speaker 2: do know is that taking action is the steps right.
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Speaker 2: And the first action is an internal action. It's an
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Speaker 2: action of awareness. It's an action going from fear of
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Speaker 2: what they'll do to me, going from fear of all
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Speaker 2: the negatives, letting go of that fear and stepping into faith,
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Speaker 2: stepping into the knowing that it's time to do what's
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Speaker 2: right and now not be dictated by the slave, master
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Speaker 2: and evil and in all this negative force and violence,
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Speaker 2: and that's what we're doing. In fact, look at that.
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Speaker 2: I just squeezed this thing and a seed came out.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: You can count the seeds in this fruit, but you
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Speaker 2: cannot count the fruits in the seed. It's an exponential
21:45
Speaker 2: free energy system in my hand right here.
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Speaker 3: But you have a large tract of land there can
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Speaker 3: people in the cities do something similar.
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Speaker 2: So a fellow named Eric Heinzman just moved here to
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Speaker 2: God's landing and he's now our chef. He was the
22:02
Speaker 2: head chef at corporate Planet Hollywood. He opened up thirty
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Speaker 2: seven restaurants. He was the top of his chef school,
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Speaker 2: and he was sick as hell living in that corporate environment.
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Speaker 2: He almost died. He lost one hundred and twenty pounds.
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Speaker 2: And now he's working for Planet Earth. And the reason
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Speaker 2: I bring him up is because he had a two
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Speaker 2: bedroom condo.
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Speaker 1: And he started with a one bedroom condo, but then.
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Speaker 2: He did the numbers and he said, I'm gonna get
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Speaker 2: a two bedroom condo and he started growing mushrooms and
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Speaker 2: microgreens in his second bedroom and bathroom. He then and
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Speaker 2: he by the way, was growing almost ten thousand bucks
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Speaker 2: a month worth of microgreens and mushrooms out of a bedroom.
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Speaker 2: Then on his eight by ten foot deck he had
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Speaker 2: another like twenty two different types of food producing plants.
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Speaker 2: In fact, we're working with two homeless people that we've
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Speaker 2: given them sweet potato starts and they have taken those
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Speaker 2: sweet potato starts and planted them around their homeless encampments.
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Speaker 2: We are working with a military really epic guy who
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Speaker 2: was nominated for a Silver Star, and he's taking sweet
23:12
Speaker 2: potatoes and his favorite Jerusalem artic chokes and he's planting
23:16
Speaker 2: them at the rest areas along I seventy five.
23:20
Speaker 1: So anybody can do this.
23:22
Speaker 2: It just starts with the awareness that you can grow
23:25
Speaker 2: in your closet, you can grow on a deck, you
23:28
Speaker 2: can grow in your living room.
23:29
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of start planting seeds.
23:33
Speaker 3: So it's a philosophy more than a skill.
23:36
Speaker 2: It's a philosophy gets started and the plants become our teachers.
23:40
Speaker 2: By observing and interacting with the plants, you will learn.
23:46
Speaker 1: And then here's the best part.
23:47
Speaker 2: We now have multiple layers of support systems. We just
23:52
Speaker 2: launched Origins Reclaimed dot org where it's a nonprofit where
23:57
Speaker 2: we have a bunch of professional, freedom loving, solution oriented
24:02
Speaker 2: people that are coming together in a community to answer
24:06
Speaker 2: people's questions to like, somebody could take a picture of
24:09
Speaker 2: this mulberry tree and say, what's.
24:11
Speaker 1: Going on with the mulberry tree? Right? So I'll show
24:14
Speaker 1: you So do you see those yellow leaves?
24:17
Speaker 3: Yes?
24:18
Speaker 2: So we are going through a significant drought here in Florida,
24:23
Speaker 2: and at the same time, we had our irrigation system there,
24:30
Speaker 2: we had the we switched inverters and our irrigation system failed.
24:35
Speaker 2: So normally we wouldn't need to manage any of this stuff.
24:39
Speaker 2: The natural weather patterns would do it. But now for
24:43
Speaker 2: the for the next week, because it's a drought, we
24:45
Speaker 2: got to take a bucket a gallon of water once
24:48
Speaker 2: a week and put it on the base of this tree.
24:50
Speaker 2: And so you could take a picture of this and say,
24:53
Speaker 2: what's the problem with is mulberry? You could post it
24:56
Speaker 2: online and you'll have a dozen answers on how to
24:59
Speaker 2: help help the mulberry.
25:01
Speaker 1: So there's solutions everywhere.
25:04
Speaker 3: But I mean it's not just about randomly throwing seeds
25:08
Speaker 3: all over the place. There is a bit of an art,
25:10
Speaker 3: isn't there.
25:11
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a science, because some plants go very well
25:16
Speaker 2: together and other plants don't.
25:19
Speaker 1: Right. So this mulberry tree.
25:20
Speaker 2: You could get one hundred feet tall, right, we don't
25:23
Speaker 2: want that next to a bunch of other trees that
25:27
Speaker 2: can get really big. Instead, we want this mulberry next
25:31
Speaker 2: to what we call understory trees. Understory trees like to
25:36
Speaker 2: be in the shade. The mulberry likes to be in
25:38
Speaker 2: the sun. So it's really important that you plant plants
25:43
Speaker 2: where they're best suited.
25:46
Speaker 3: Jim, what about animals. You're only talking about plants.
25:51
Speaker 1: So we have eleven cows. We just had four babies.
25:56
Speaker 2: We have turkeys, and ducks and chickens. The chickens are
26:02
Speaker 2: the Swiss Army Knife of the permaculture system. They have
26:06
Speaker 2: so many functions, and of course the main function is
26:09
Speaker 2: eggs and meat. And we're now incubating and getting our
26:13
Speaker 2: own baby chickens. Oh and check this out. Eric just built.
26:18
Speaker 2: He's one of these mad geniuses. He built a mushroom
26:20
Speaker 2: growing facility here out of a trucking trailer and he
26:24
Speaker 2: just built. He went to home depot or Lows, and
26:28
Speaker 2: he got some plastic tots. He then stopped at the
26:31
Speaker 2: local coffee store and got their leftover coffee grinds, which
26:37
Speaker 2: they happily gave him. And then we mixed compost with
26:41
Speaker 2: that compost from our kitchen and he made a Soldier
26:45
Speaker 2: fly Larva production system for twenty bucks, and that Soldier
26:52
Speaker 2: fly Larva we dump our compost in there and that
26:55
Speaker 2: will feed fifty chickens.
27:01
Speaker 3: But now, are your chickens free range?
27:05
Speaker 2: Somewhat? They're free range. We keep them in at night
27:09
Speaker 2: because we lost a few to coyotes not too long
27:12
Speaker 2: ago and some other creature, probably a raccoon or apossum.
27:16
Speaker 1: So we do deal with normal natural stuff.
27:20
Speaker 2: You just have to have the right cages and the
27:22
Speaker 2: right protection, or you have to create the right chicken environment.
27:27
Speaker 2: Like the best chicken environment is a tree or a
27:30
Speaker 2: tree skeleton where the chickens can jump up and they
27:34
Speaker 2: can go on some of the branches that are out
27:36
Speaker 2: of the way of the predators.
27:39
Speaker 3: Right. So again it's about trying to integrate to the
27:41
Speaker 3: natural environment. But I mean, they are obvious boundary lines
27:45
Speaker 3: you have to draw someweight, Like, for example, if you
27:48
Speaker 3: have cattle, they're not going to just roam free in
27:51
Speaker 3: between your food, your plants.
27:55
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that.
27:57
Speaker 2: This morning, I woke up, I went to the house
27:59
Speaker 2: and I was on the deck.
28:00
Speaker 1: I looked down and the cows were eating the banana
28:04
Speaker 1: right behind me. They got out of the dark pasture. So, yes,
28:08
Speaker 1: that happens. We ran up. We heard them back right
28:12
Speaker 1: into the gate and they're back in.
28:14
Speaker 2: But this is life, This is freedom ultimately, this is
28:18
Speaker 2: the ultimate freedom.
28:19
Speaker 1: Freedom of mind, freedom of body, and freedom on the land.
28:23
Speaker 2: And then, yeah, my job is once in a while
28:27
Speaker 2: to herd cattle, and I've never done that before. I
28:30
Speaker 2: got to tell you, it's a lot of fun. A
28:32
Speaker 2: little freaky, but it's a lot of fun. Again, what
28:35
Speaker 2: we're teaching and demonstrating is how everybody used to live
28:41
Speaker 2: forever until just lately, right, and we've been programmed into
28:47
Speaker 2: the belief system that we should just be consumers and
28:51
Speaker 2: that poisons are good and that you know, the government
28:55
Speaker 2: will take care of us.
28:57
Speaker 1: Well, how have they done so far?
29:00
Speaker 3: An interesting comparison is with monoculture agriculture, there's a lot
29:05
Speaker 3: of wastage. With pemiculture, there's very little wastage.
29:08
Speaker 2: There's no waste in a natural system. Everything gets reused, right,
29:13
Speaker 2: So these leaves come down on the ground, and there's
29:16
Speaker 2: a lot of plants like these pigeon pea over here.
29:19
Speaker 2: We planted them specifically to produce nitrogen in the soil.
29:24
Speaker 2: They're also really good to eat, and they also look beautiful,
29:27
Speaker 2: but their primary function is to build life and nitrogen
29:32
Speaker 2: back in the soil.
29:34
Speaker 3: But what about obvious issues, I don't know, moles and
29:38
Speaker 3: insects that destroy some of your fruit and so on.
29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the diverse system that we have, and
29:46
Speaker 2: that is permaculture, we have all of it, but none
29:51
Speaker 2: of it is getting away from us. In fact, we
29:53
Speaker 2: have let go ladybugs and praying mantis and one other
29:58
Speaker 2: type of insect that I can remember the name of.
30:01
Speaker 2: We've let them go in our system. We even were
30:04
Speaker 2: planning to let go black racer snakes, but then we
30:08
Speaker 2: saw they found their way here and black racer snakes
30:11
Speaker 2: eat rattlesnakes. So my wife is definitely afraid of snakes.
30:17
Speaker 2: So I said, babe, just know that the black ones
30:19
Speaker 2: are there to protect you, not hurt you.
30:21
Speaker 1: And she's trying to work on that.
30:24
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is in a very diverse environment,
30:29
Speaker 3: which is a permaculture environment, there's a balance and so
30:32
Speaker 3: therefore you don't get overt destruction of certain foods.
30:38
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. There's a balance, there's enough for everything.
30:42
Speaker 2: We want the animals in here. We want the birds, right,
30:46
Speaker 2: because the birds will come and eat some of the
30:49
Speaker 2: mulberries and they'll go across the other side of the
30:52
Speaker 2: lake and they'll poop, and next thing you know, you've
30:54
Speaker 2: got a new mulberry tree going in over there.
30:59
Speaker 3: But still you didn't really answer our question. Look, let
31:03
Speaker 3: me give you a real example. Molds. Everybody has issues
31:05
Speaker 3: with moles. What do you do about that?
31:08
Speaker 1: We have moles, but there's no issues. Moles are good, right, moles.
31:14
Speaker 2: If you have a lawn and you want it to
31:16
Speaker 2: look like a golf course, moles are going to mess
31:19
Speaker 2: you up. We don't want to look like a golf course.
31:22
Speaker 2: We want to look like a life giving system. So
31:25
Speaker 2: we have moles, we have all sorts of stuff. But
31:28
Speaker 2: it's not We also have foxes, We also have hawks.
31:32
Speaker 2: We also have raccoons. Right, So nature is the answer
31:36
Speaker 2: to nature. Nature is the great balancer of everything.
31:40
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's a you want to grow I
31:43
Speaker 3: don't know, fifty thousand avocado trees, right, You're not really
31:48
Speaker 3: going to do that successfully in a Pima culture environment
31:51
Speaker 3: unless you have a huge amount of land.
31:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, so abba trees. We probably have fifty avocado trees.
31:58
Speaker 2: They're starting to come in thick right now. We love avocados,
32:02
Speaker 2: and we have nine or eight or nine different types
32:04
Speaker 2: of avocados that fruit at different times of the year.
32:08
Speaker 2: If you want to be in the avocado business, then
32:13
Speaker 2: well you still have to have the diversity.
32:15
Speaker 1: So our job is.
32:17
Speaker 2: To show what it's like to live completely free. Like
32:22
Speaker 2: our family homestead is one hundred percent off the grid.
32:25
Speaker 2: We produce all of our own food, water, and energy
32:28
Speaker 2: on site. So if you want to be only in
32:31
Speaker 2: the avocado business, then that's a little difference. But we're
32:35
Speaker 2: not only We're in all of the fruit business and
32:38
Speaker 2: eggs and fish and everything else. Well, I'm fifty five
32:40
Speaker 2: years old. I have never felt better in my life.
32:44
Speaker 2: I run around the tennis court like a twenty five
32:46
Speaker 2: year old, and.
32:48
Speaker 1: I don't sleep nearly as much.
32:50
Speaker 2: It just feels good because I'm communing with nature and
32:53
Speaker 2: I'm eating poison free food. Right I'm thinking either no
32:57
Speaker 2: thoughts or more healthy thoughts than I used to, and
33:01
Speaker 2: I'm eating good and living the life right and my workout.
33:04
Speaker 2: I don't go to the gym anymore. I haven't been
33:06
Speaker 2: to the gym for a long time. I'll grab the
33:09
Speaker 2: five gallon buckets from the little slew down there of
33:12
Speaker 2: the pond, and I'll carry them up with water in it,
33:15
Speaker 2: and I will intentionally use that as my workout. And
33:20
Speaker 2: it's way better for your body than holding some kind
33:23
Speaker 2: of barbelle. Every plant around me is literally literally a
33:30
Speaker 2: free energy system.
33:31
Speaker 1: Tesla eats your heart out right.
33:33
Speaker 2: You don't need to be a genius to figure out
33:36
Speaker 2: free energy. You just need to plant a food for us,
33:39
Speaker 2: because what if humans run on We run on calories,
33:43
Speaker 2: and it produces more and more calories every year. And
33:47
Speaker 2: not only that, it'll produce seeds. This food for us
33:52
Speaker 2: can literally feed the entire world over time because it's
33:58
Speaker 2: exponential because everything.
34:00
Speaker 1: Has seeds, and everything can propagate.
34:02
Speaker 2: Millions more infinitely more in the very you know, over time.
34:07
Speaker 3: Okay, but now let's play devils out of a good.
34:09
Speaker 3: What do you do in situations like out't a Middle East?
34:14
Speaker 2: So in the Middle East especially, you need to start
34:18
Speaker 2: following the permaculture principles. And they're doing this in a
34:22
Speaker 2: lot of places already in Africa, the Sahara, they're making
34:26
Speaker 2: a green wall across the desert and they're using permaculture
34:31
Speaker 2: techniques where they're putting in these circles and they're putting
34:34
Speaker 2: in the right types of very hearty, desert loving plants.
34:39
Speaker 2: And the circles are made in swales, right, They're like
34:43
Speaker 2: ditches on contour, and when it rains, maybe once every
34:47
Speaker 2: two or three years, they fill that swale with biomass.
34:51
Speaker 2: The rain will come in and it'll slow it, sink
34:55
Speaker 2: it and spread it underground instead of having it run
34:59
Speaker 2: off the land and erode everything. So in the Middle East,
35:04
Speaker 2: everywhere in the world, when we start using these principles
35:08
Speaker 2: of catching and storing water and then using the permaculture techniques,
35:13
Speaker 2: we can literally turn the whole world into an absolute
35:17
Speaker 2: food producing paradise.
35:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what you're saying is that you can adapt
35:22
Speaker 3: pymaculture to all kinds of terrains.
35:26
Speaker 1: Permaculture is a design science.
35:29
Speaker 2: In fact, if they ever do go to Mars, which
35:31
Speaker 2: I think is absolutely insane relative to healing this world,
35:35
Speaker 2: then they could use permaculture to turn Mars into something.
35:42
Speaker 3: What do you make of Elon?
35:45
Speaker 1: I think that he is either a complete fraud or
35:51
Speaker 1: a genius child.
35:55
Speaker 3: It's one of those two extremes.
35:57
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, part of the control mind control mechanism, which
36:02
Speaker 2: is why I really think, or he's just a silly
36:05
Speaker 2: little child with some genius tendencies.
36:11
Speaker 3: Okay, so how long have you know? You said three years?
36:13
Speaker 3: Now you've been on this ground three years?
36:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, this area especially there was three years. We started
36:21
Speaker 2: from scratch, blank canvas.
36:25
Speaker 3: But you need a lot of startup capital to get
36:27
Speaker 3: things going. And I keep going back to the average person.
36:31
Speaker 3: I suppose it does. It does echo what you said
36:34
Speaker 3: earlier that you have to just start somewhere.
36:39
Speaker 2: Well, if you want to do this like this, thanks
36:41
Speaker 2: to Marcel and some other amazing people, we put a
36:45
Speaker 2: lot of money into this. But like I mentioned earlier,
36:48
Speaker 2: we've got two homeless people who don't have any money
36:52
Speaker 2: and they've gotten started.
36:53
Speaker 1: Right is there are growers all over.
36:57
Speaker 2: In every area that I have ever been that if
37:00
Speaker 2: you go up to them and say, listen, I don't
37:02
Speaker 2: have any money, but I would like to start growing
37:05
Speaker 2: food wherever I can. Do you have any extra seeds?
37:09
Speaker 2: Do you have any extra baby plants? I have never
37:12
Speaker 2: met a gardener that would say no to that request.
37:17
Speaker 3: My conversation with you is remarkably uplifting, as it always is,
37:21
Speaker 3: but it can come across as too good to be true.
37:27
Speaker 3: There must be continents, there must be downsides, they must
37:30
Speaker 3: be challenges, surely.
37:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ultimate challenge is inspiring and empowering people to
37:40
Speaker 2: realize that they can do something about this problem, this
37:43
Speaker 2: global problem, this global war. And a lot of people
37:48
Speaker 2: have been programmed to believe that they're insignificant and they
37:52
Speaker 2: can't do anything.
37:53
Speaker 1: They are so in.
37:55
Speaker 2: Shame and humiliation and fear, they have lost all of
37:59
Speaker 2: their courage. So our primary task is to inspire and
38:05
Speaker 2: empower to create the awareness and then to the question
38:08
Speaker 2: I've been asking obsessively for over almost two decades, how
38:12
Speaker 2: do we do that?
38:13
Speaker 1: Right? So that's why we have spent a lot of
38:16
Speaker 1: time and energy.
38:18
Speaker 2: In creating the systems and the structures that can support
38:23
Speaker 2: people in their transition from pain and suffering and fear
38:28
Speaker 2: to being fully courageous and actually becoming the change that
38:33
Speaker 2: they want to see in the world.
38:35
Speaker 3: Okay, but more practically speaking, what about things like you
38:39
Speaker 3: know losses, I mean, you know, people giving it a
38:42
Speaker 3: go and everything just dies.
38:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's well when you say everything just dies
38:49
Speaker 2: most of the time, Like here, we've had several plants
38:52
Speaker 2: die because we failed to know how to care for them,
38:56
Speaker 2: or because we've had four hurricanes, two major droughts, a
39:00
Speaker 2: five hundred year flood, and a forty year freeze. Right,
39:05
Speaker 2: so sometimes the climate, the elements are going to cause problems.
39:10
Speaker 2: But when you have the diversity that we have, right
39:14
Speaker 2: and by the way, even if you have a tiny
39:16
Speaker 2: little piece of land in the diversity, you could put
39:22
Speaker 2: in a one hundred square foot little patch, you could
39:26
Speaker 2: have thirty or forty different types of food producing plants.
39:29
Speaker 2: You could have some plants that love warm weather, other
39:33
Speaker 2: plants that love cold weather, and a bunch of stuff
39:35
Speaker 2: in the middle. And no matter what happens, as long
39:38
Speaker 2: as you give that some water, if it's a drought,
39:41
Speaker 2: as long as you put a little attention to making
39:43
Speaker 2: sure that the soil is good enough to support life,
39:46
Speaker 2: which is all very doable, then you will you will
39:50
Speaker 2: have success.
39:52
Speaker 3: You're not a fan of gross of a patch of lowan.
39:57
Speaker 2: The lawn is the physical found nation of the world's enslavement,
40:04
Speaker 2: of humanity's enslavement. The lawn is a scam. It's the
40:09
Speaker 2: ultimate siop. When Henry Kissinger back in nineteen seventy four said,
40:15
Speaker 2: if you want to control the world, control the world's currency.
40:18
Speaker 2: If you want to control nations, control energy. But if
40:22
Speaker 2: you want to control people, control food. That was not
40:26
Speaker 2: just the.
40:26
Speaker 1: Ramblings of a psychopath.
40:28
Speaker 2: That was the man in charge of the strategy to
40:32
Speaker 2: enslave humanity.
40:35
Speaker 3: Is it scalable to infinity? Is the cut off at
40:38
Speaker 3: some point?
40:40
Speaker 2: No, there is no cutoff, because we have I mean, yeah,
40:44
Speaker 2: you know, the sun goes dark, then we're kind of screwed.
40:48
Speaker 2: That's the cut of the cutoff because we've got energy
40:51
Speaker 2: coming into the system all the time, the wind, the rain,
40:55
Speaker 2: the sun, and those energy forms. When we catch and
40:58
Speaker 2: store those energy forms, effectively, we canch and store them
41:02
Speaker 2: by putting that energy in the soil.
41:04
Speaker 1: Right, this idea.
41:07
Speaker 2: Elevates and transcends all of the divisive narratives that the
41:11
Speaker 2: governments are speaking, right. It transcends the climate change narrative,
41:18
Speaker 2: It transcends parties in government, right, because this is demonstratably
41:23
Speaker 2: and provably the solution to all of it.
41:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Also
41:32
Speaker 3: from an Agenda twenty thirty perspective, because one of the
41:36
Speaker 3: UN's ambitions is to put as many people into the
41:41
Speaker 3: city centers as possible, and permaculture is precisely the opposite.
41:47
Speaker 3: It's about decentralizing all of that and taking effectively control
41:52
Speaker 3: away from the oligogs.
41:55
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right.
41:58
Speaker 2: When we start growing our food locally and poison free,
42:03
Speaker 2: then we get the price of food goes down. It's
42:07
Speaker 2: the supply and demand thing. If you've got a million mangos,
42:10
Speaker 2: like in Mexico, nobody could ever sell a mango because
42:14
Speaker 2: where I just was, there's mangoes on the sidewalk. So
42:18
Speaker 2: when you have enough supply locally, the price goes down.
42:22
Speaker 1: And that's a major factor now all over the world.
42:25
Speaker 2: And then with the teriffs, with the tariffs, and even
42:28
Speaker 2: here in Florida, I mean Florida should be almost free
42:32
Speaker 2: food or inexpensive.
42:33
Speaker 1: The price of food is going up insane right now.
42:36
Speaker 2: And another massive component is we solve the health crisis
42:42
Speaker 2: because the reason.
42:43
Speaker 1: People are sick is they're eating poisonous foods.
42:46
Speaker 2: They're consuming poisons in their minds and in the bodies
42:48
Speaker 2: all day long.
42:50
Speaker 3: Didn't you meet with RFK JR.
42:53
Speaker 1: I did.
42:54
Speaker 2: It was about maybe twenty months ago, and I was
42:57
Speaker 2: in the Food for Us and I got this inspiration.
43:00
Speaker 1: To create a campaign.
43:03
Speaker 2: And it was a political campaign structure where I created
43:06
Speaker 2: four talking points, four big claims, like politicians love to
43:11
Speaker 2: make big claims. And I had a picture of four
43:15
Speaker 2: different politicians and Kennedy was standing in a school and
43:20
Speaker 2: his big claim was, I'm going to take the poisons
43:24
Speaker 2: out of the schools and the children will heal while
43:28
Speaker 2: he's standing there and the children are planting food. If
43:33
Speaker 2: this is the only thing we do, and that is
43:36
Speaker 2: add regenerative agriculture classes to every school in the United States.
43:41
Speaker 1: We don't need more money.
43:43
Speaker 2: In fact, the result of regenerative ad classes in schools
43:48
Speaker 2: will be an income and wealth production system, so it'll
43:52
Speaker 2: actually cost less money. And the students are already there
43:56
Speaker 2: and they already want to do it right.
44:00
Speaker 1: So when I showed RFK this, he got all excited.
44:02
Speaker 2: He goes, I love this, Let's do it. And then
44:05
Speaker 2: there was four three more pictures there. The next one
44:08
Speaker 2: was a picture of Donald Trump at a prison and
44:11
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's big claim, I will reduce crime by fifty
44:15
Speaker 2: percent over the next four years, the media would have
44:18
Speaker 2: went nuts until Donald Trump, which he hasn't done yet,
44:22
Speaker 2: which is why I don't trust the man.
44:24
Speaker 1: He exposes the truth of the matter.
44:27
Speaker 2: When our inmates grow their own food at prisons, not
44:32
Speaker 2: only did one study show a forty million dollars savings
44:35
Speaker 2: for the taxpayers in one county in California, but the
44:39
Speaker 2: recidivism rate went from sixty seven percent to under ten percent.
44:45
Speaker 2: So it is literally when the inmates learned the principles
44:49
Speaker 2: of growing their own food and practice those principles, their
44:53
Speaker 2: recidivism drops. So we're literally talking about the end of
44:57
Speaker 2: childhood diabetes and suffering the end of the majority of crime.
45:01
Speaker 2: And then DeSantis was at a city park. He says,
45:06
Speaker 2: I'm going to end hunger in the United States by
45:09
Speaker 2: using the same resources that we're currently using. Tamow lawns
45:13
Speaker 2: and spray poisons. Now instead, let's plant food and let's
45:17
Speaker 2: spray compost t which actually increases the vitality of the land.
45:23
Speaker 1: And the last one was the churches.
45:27
Speaker 2: The churches are now mostly demonstrating the exact opposite of
45:33
Speaker 2: the biblical principle of stewardship, and so we're working with
45:37
Speaker 2: churches we're working with sheriffs, We're working with all of
45:40
Speaker 2: these different entities to bring in these new models, and
45:44
Speaker 2: they're all based in God's design or nature, which solves
45:51
Speaker 2: all of them.
45:52
Speaker 3: It's so obvious when you think that you have schools
45:55
Speaker 3: and churches and prisons and government departments, all of these
45:59
Speaker 3: big spaces that could end up with food forests.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, we are creating the new model, the
46:09
Speaker 2: idea whose time has come stronger than all of the
46:11
Speaker 2: armies of the world. We being everybody in this movement
46:15
Speaker 2: who's taking action steps towards their own self reliance first
46:19
Speaker 2: and then building a community around them of self reliant people.
46:24
Speaker 2: It's I might be wrong, and I've been wrong a lot,
46:27
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's going to be too long
46:29
Speaker 2: before we have a systemic collapse of the systems. We're
46:34
Speaker 2: already experiencing it on multiple levels.
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Speaker 1: So it is our job right now this spring here,
46:40
Speaker 1: at least in the northern hemisphere, right.
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Speaker 2: To start planting seeds and then talking to the teachers
46:47
Speaker 2: and the sheriffs and the prison wardens and the pastors.
46:51
Speaker 2: Right at the church, our local pastor his thing is
46:54
Speaker 2: surrounded by a five acre lawn well guess what, He's
46:58
Speaker 2: now growing food at the church.
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Speaker 3: And that reduces so many other costs.
47:05
Speaker 2: Yes, it's exponential in the abundance and logic and beauty
47:12
Speaker 2: and joy of it all. You know, we've also been
47:14
Speaker 2: taught to fear nature. I've had two people tell me.
47:18
Speaker 2: One person, I said, yeah, plant a food for us here,
47:21
Speaker 2: and this lady goes, oh, that'll bring in the raccoons, right,
47:25
Speaker 2: And she said that with fear. Another lady about raccoons
47:29
Speaker 2: said oh, yeah, raccoons will destroy the houses. She meant
47:34
Speaker 2: it like I grew up in a house raccoons all
47:37
Speaker 2: over all the time.
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Speaker 1: They never destroyed our house.
47:40
Speaker 2: So we've been so programmed to believe in sanity that
47:45
Speaker 2: we're scared of nature when we're not scared of eating McDonald's.
47:50
Speaker 2: They're gonna not they're not gonna want to dig in
47:52
Speaker 2: your trash when they've got food all over the place. Right,
47:57
Speaker 2: And then we bring in all the animals, the apex, preyers,
47:59
Speaker 2: all of it, and we live again with nature.
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Speaker 1: Right. Nature has been the bad guy for too long.
48:07
Speaker 3: What's the quote that you gave to me some years
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Speaker 3: ago about the ducks and the and the wombs.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's a fun one.
48:15
Speaker 2: So you don't have a junebug problem, you have a
48:21
Speaker 2: duck deficiency. And then the animal becomes another food production.
48:26
Speaker 2: Like there's a guy, there's a ted talk. It's about
48:30
Speaker 2: fog raw, And an Italian guy won the fwograw competition
48:35
Speaker 2: two years in a row, and the French were losing
48:38
Speaker 2: their minds. Right, how can I Italian win our competition? Well,
48:43
Speaker 2: here's what he did. He created a pond, and then
48:46
Speaker 2: he planted all of these particular geese and ducks' favorite foods.
48:53
Speaker 1: He then.
48:55
Speaker 2: Noticed that they were landing there and creating homes on
48:59
Speaker 2: his property.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: He then started building this system and the geese. Every
49:08
Speaker 2: year he would take half the geese around the corner,
49:10
Speaker 2: just lead them right around the corner and slaughter half
49:14
Speaker 2: of them, and he would use that to make fog ras.
49:18
Speaker 2: And then when here's the part that blew my mind,
49:22
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the geese that were remaining noticed
49:26
Speaker 2: that there was enough food and resources for their friends.
49:31
Speaker 2: So then when the other flocks of geese were overhead,
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Speaker 2: they would go, come on down, come on down.
49:35
Speaker 1: There's room for all of you.
49:37
Speaker 2: Right.
49:37
Speaker 1: But when there wasn't room, then the new geese would
49:40
Speaker 1: be would be cast away by the other geese in
49:44
Speaker 1: the in the flock. Right.
49:47
Speaker 2: So nature has a perfect balancing system, and nature communicates
49:52
Speaker 2: in ways that we don't comprehend.
49:55
Speaker 1: Right.
49:55
Speaker 2: The mycilial network in the ground is like a communication network.
50:00
Speaker 2: In fact, sometimes I think I'm just working for the mushrooms.
50:05
Speaker 3: So instead of trying to remove an element and creating scarcity,
50:10
Speaker 3: you add an element and create abundance.
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Speaker 2: Exactly well put, brother, Yes, when we live it. When
50:17
Speaker 2: people come here and I've given well over a thousand tours,
50:21
Speaker 2: people from all over the world actually have come here,
50:24
Speaker 2: and we have a one hundred percent inspired rate, Nobody
50:28
Speaker 2: has ever left here and said this sucks.
50:31
Speaker 1: People have come in wanting to say this sucks.
50:35
Speaker 2: Because somehow their egos got triggered and they came in
50:39
Speaker 2: and they're starting to bitch about this or that, or
50:41
Speaker 2: they're bitching about the cows, or they're bitching about everything.
50:44
Speaker 1: By the time they leave, they have a new perspective
50:47
Speaker 1: every time.
50:48
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Nobody can go into nature and go well,
50:52
Speaker 3: that's disgusting. You know you don't you don't look at
50:56
Speaker 3: the beauty that's behind you and go, oh, that is vile.
51:00
Speaker 3: You know, it has the opposite effect. It brings a
51:05
Speaker 3: sense of life back into you.
51:07
Speaker 1: It does, it does. Can you hear the birds by
51:09
Speaker 1: the way through this mic? Yes, yes, yeah, I mean
51:14
Speaker 1: I love that. I could hear a blue jay, a
51:17
Speaker 1: mocking bird.
51:19
Speaker 2: Earlier, I heard some sand hill cranes, and then this
51:22
Speaker 2: whole bunch that I don't know the names of.
51:24
Speaker 4: Right.
51:25
Speaker 2: That bird song is a vibration. It's a frequency of healing,
51:31
Speaker 2: to the to the real like in the smells that
51:34
Speaker 2: are around here. They are frequencies that heal your body.
51:38
Speaker 2: And of course the mulberries, the plums, all the food
51:42
Speaker 2: is nature's medicine. That's why I feel so at peace
51:47
Speaker 2: right now, and that's why I can stand here and
51:50
Speaker 2: I can tell the government. I can tell Donald Trump, Hey,
51:52
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. You know, I think you might be doing
51:55
Speaker 2: some good things, but Donald Trump, come here and let's
51:59
Speaker 2: really change world, because you're also doing some things that
52:02
Speaker 2: are very destructive. And we don't want to fight. I
52:04
Speaker 2: don't want to fight to you. I don't want to
52:06
Speaker 2: tell you that I'll never pay taxes to your government. Instead,
52:09
Speaker 2: I would like to volunteer my time to support your government. Right,
52:12
Speaker 2: it's not my government, by the way, My government is nature.
52:15
Speaker 1: It's God. It's way bigger than what you're talking about.
52:18
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump, Governor Ron DeSantis, and all the rest
52:22
Speaker 2: to you.
52:23
Speaker 1: We've got this.
52:24
Speaker 2: Let's integrate the schools, Let's integrate the prisons, Let's integrate
52:28
Speaker 2: the police force. Let's integrate the military. In fact, let's
52:32
Speaker 2: add permaculture to every army base around the world. Let's
52:36
Speaker 2: create radical abundance around our army bases, and then let's
52:41
Speaker 2: hand them off back to the people and end colonialism.
52:45
Speaker 2: And when we do this, we will create, in general terms,
52:48
Speaker 2: peace on Earth. The most profound, deductive reasoning that I've
52:53
Speaker 2: come across Sunsue the art of war right, the most
52:58
Speaker 2: cited and studied military strategist in the history of the world.
53:02
Speaker 2: He his primary and fundamental deduction, Know thyself, know thy enemy.
53:10
Speaker 2: A thousand battles, a thousand victories. Contemplate that, brother, because
53:15
Speaker 2: once we know who we are, we know our enemy
53:18
Speaker 2: is ignorance and fear and evil, then there's nothing to lose.
53:22
Speaker 1: We've already won.
53:24
Speaker 3: Jim, how can I find out more or follow you?
53:27
Speaker 1: Yes?
53:28
Speaker 2: Origins Reclaimed dot Org is a community marketplace there's no
53:33
Speaker 2: owners of this.
53:34
Speaker 1: It's a not for profit. It's owned by humanity.
53:37
Speaker 2: And that's where we are going to be coming together
53:41
Speaker 2: to follow doctor Martin Luther King's advice, those who love
53:44
Speaker 2: peace must learn to organize as effectively.
53:47
Speaker 1: As those who love war.
53:48
Speaker 2: And we are creating a network that is locally based.
53:53
Speaker 2: It's international with its knowledge and wisdom, but we focus
53:57
Speaker 2: on creating local, self reliant groups.
53:59
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54:02
Speaker 2: And for people who want to come visit us, come
54:04
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54:13
Speaker 2: what we're talking about.
54:14
Speaker 3: I just want to throw one thing at you that
54:17
Speaker 3: might be a deal breaker. I like my wine, Jim,
54:21
Speaker 3: and I don't see enough vineyards on your ground.
54:27
Speaker 2: We are turning all of our fences into trellises, and
54:31
Speaker 2: we could produce five hundred bottles of wine off of
54:34
Speaker 2: our one primary fence, plus dragon fruit and passion fruit.
54:38
Speaker 2: So yes, now, then again, Florida wine, relatively speaking, it's
54:42
Speaker 2: not that good, so bring bring some from Southam.
54:47
Speaker 3: Well, five hundred bottles is good enough, all right, Jim, Gail,
54:50
Speaker 3: thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Jeremy, Love you brother,