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How Much Bitcoin Do You Need to Retire Early? | EP 1010 · Simply Bitcoin

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  ride. We have lots to talk about
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  today, but we're going to start off like hot right off the
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  beginning the Overton window last night once again, not only
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  did it shift, it absolutely exploded in real time.
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  I have footage of it. Pieces went everywhere.
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  You have the you have potentially an upcoming
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  president of the United States, Donald J Trump going on his
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  Truth Social account 'cause he got kicked off Twitter and he
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  said vote for Bitcoin. Bitcoin mining may be our last
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  line of defense against a central bank digital currency.
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  He goes on to say more, which we'll talk about during the
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  numbers segment. But like, holy cow, like I
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  didn't expect this was going to happen so soon.
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  I didn't expect the ETF stuff. I thought, like, you know, the
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  political warfare was going to continue, the law fair and
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  they're just going to delay that forever.
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  That got approved. And then within a couple of
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  months, this became, you know, a mainstream electoral issue.
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  Like Bitcoin is on the ballot in November.
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  And in case anyone doesn't like, you know, the orange man, of
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  course you have RFK Junior. And then on the other side,
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  which is the reason that we're talking about this, you have the
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  Biden administration that has very openly taken an anti
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  Bitcoin and pro CBDC stance. So like, I don't think Trump or
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  RFK, like I don't think they would have even mentioned
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  Bitcoin. I think that they were forced to
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  do it because they realized that holy cow, you know, this is a
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  big demographic, like this is a big voter base.
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  And if I could appeal to them and say, listen, I'll protect
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  Bitcoin if you get me into office, I might win over their
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  votes, right? And I don't think it's it's a
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  situation of like, because I've saw this so many times on
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  Twitter where it's a situation where Bitcoin needs Trump.
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  It's more so that Trump and RFK need Bitcoin in order to get
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  elected. Like that is crazy.
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  So, but if you understand the game theory also should not come
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  to a surprise to you whatsoever because Bitcoin's incentives are
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  superior. Now to today's topic of the
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  video, which we're going to cover on today's news is the
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  question that you guys absolutely love when we do these
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  types of shows. So we're going to continue to
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  give you guys what you want, which is how much Bitcoin do you
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  need to retire it's updated version.
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  So have spent like an hour and a half preparing for today's news
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  segment. So hopefully you guys find some
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  value in in it, but we're going to ask, we're going to answer
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  the question, how much Bitcoin do you need to retire?
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  Now, there's two different ways to approach it, which I find
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  fascinating. There's like the Fiat way of
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  approaching it and then there's the Bitcoin way.
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  And if you approach it from the Fiat perspective, you realize
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  how hard it is to like conceivably retire.
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  Like it's absurdly hard. But if you're living on a
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  Bitcoin standard, I think the vast majority of people are
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  going to be able to retire and live a good life later on when
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  they get older, which is, you know, this is This is why we say
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  Bitcoin is hope. This is why we say Bitcoin is
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  optimism. This is why we say Bitcoin gives
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  you the ability to plan for a better future where Fiat steals
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  that ability from you. It like it incentivizes short
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  term thinking and short term behavior, which could be
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  detrimental to you and to your health and to your spirit,
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  right? So this is what Bitcoin does.
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  It fixes things anyways. I don't want to delay the show
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  anymore. I do want to bring up my
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  legendary. He's always optimistic.
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  No smile today. Optimistic.
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  Sorry, you caught me. You caught me looking at the
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  chat. Shirt and everything I'm.
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  Kind of vibe in I'm feeling I'm feeling like a Hawaiian shirt.
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  It's a Hawaiian shirt type of day, but the chats the chat's
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  extremely bullish in the chat. They're saying .1 BTC is enough
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  so a million sats someone said 3,000,000 sats is enough.
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  I I think the numbers are a little higher than that one
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  guys, but hey, man, life's great.
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  I man, what, what more can I say, Nico?
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  We, we lived the life, everything.
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  'S wonderful, life is great. I got some sleep in Everything
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  is good man Yeah, your mic's great Nico.
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  Your mic is great. OK, we're good man.
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  Let's let's bring in our guest cause our guest is is probably
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  upping the ante on optimism every time he comes on the show.
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  So let's bring in Brian to man. I wish I had like, like, like
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  MMA music, like fighter music to like, you know, kind of pump him
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  up a little bit. But of course, we have Brian De
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  Mint in the house. Brian de Mint is the head of
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  marketing for our friends over at the Orange Palap and he is a
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  black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which is really
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  impressive. And seven feet tall and. 7 feet
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  tall and he's an author as well of the Amazon bestseller
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  parallel. So man, Brian de Mint, thank you
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  so much for joining us back on Simply Bitcoin Live.
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  How you doing? I'm doing good man.
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  I excuse me my voice is a little raspy today.
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  I didn't know that the Overton window was a double wide
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  trailer. That was that was awesome that
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  boom just double wide went kaboom.
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  That got me pumped though yes the I I saw you tweeted that out
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  last night about the Overton window shifted.
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  I'm like this things are are crazy.
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  I think most Bitcoiners, for whatever reason, like we just,
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  we, we're, we're used to chaos and we're used to things
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  changing around us. And so we don't tend to get as
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  excited, right? We, we've trained ourselves to
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  not get too emotional about the volatility of the market or
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  about the volatility of the news.
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  But holy cow, like this is such an exciting time to be a
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  Bitcoiner. This like things are changing.
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  Things are like changing all around us.
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  The world, the Overton Window, the way things work, the
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  paradigms, whatever you want to call it, they're shifting right
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  now. Holy freaking cow, what a time
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  to be a Bitcoiner. 100%, man. And, and they're shifting fast,
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  right? Like it's like it, it reminds me
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  of the meme, right? You know, the with the there's
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  like the dam and then there's like creaks in the dam and then
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  all of a sudden it's like suddenly, but surely I forget
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  what the actual saying is. But yeah, everything's just
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  happening so like all at once. And it's happening very, very
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  quick. I know a lot of people are bored
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  right now, including myself, even though we're at all time
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  highs, but everyone's like kind of scratching themselves like
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  drug addicts, like when when up again, when moon, when green
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  candle, When's it going to come back?
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  So yeah, but I think we're on the verge of that and really
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  exciting stuff for Bitcoin, for this movement.
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  And I think the rest of the year in 2025 is going to absolutely
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  blow everyone's minds away. And again, I, I've said this
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  before on Noster or on Twitter, I forget where I said it, but I
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  was basically like, I don't think it's a coincidence that
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  the election year is the year of the halving.
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  Like, I don't think that's a coincidence.
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  I think that's the genius of Satoshi.
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  I know it's quite controversial that statement, but I don't, I
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  In the grand scheme of things we are just getting started.
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  Anyways, this was the big kahuna of the news.
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  And of course, you have a potential president and he met
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  with three of the five largest miners in the world.
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  And apparently they met at Donald Trump's club, Mar a Lago
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  in West Palm Beach. So let's check it out.
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  This is crazy. I mean, I, I didn't think that
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  this was going to happen so quickly.
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  And, you know, those are the CEOs or, you know, executives of
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  those publicly traded Bitcoin miners.
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  And after the event late last night, almost at midnight, he
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  went on. He went on Truth Social and
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  said, vote for Trump. Bitcoin mining may be our last
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  line of defense against a central bank digital currency.
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  Biden's hatred of Bitcoin only helps China, Russia and the
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  radical communist left. We want all the remaining
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  Bitcoin to be made in the USA and it'll help us be energy
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  dominant. I mean, look, if he gets
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  elected, now you have a politician, now you have the
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  president of the United States, president, the leader of you can
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  make a very strong case with the world's strongest country, most
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  powerful country now competing to get more hash rate in the
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  country. Like that is absolutely nuts.
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  And I would telling you like when, when countries compete to
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  try to entice you to, you know, mine in their country, 'cause
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  it's a favorable jurisdiction, potential tax benefits, maybe,
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  you know, you win. I think the Bitcoin network
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  benefits from that. I think this is the game theory
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  playing out in real time. Right up in your face.
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  Here is Pierre Richard. He's VP of research at Riot, and
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  he says Trump's campaign promises on Bitcoin policy are
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  very easy for him to keep. He's promising to not do
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  anything, to not attack. This is in stark contrast to
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  Biden, who is attacked at every opportunity.
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  And that's really important because this wasn't something
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  that us bitcoiners chose like we didn't.
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  We like, I remember like the approach that we've taken at
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  simply until they really locked that they they locked the
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  samurai got they put those, they put those guys in a box, they
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  locked them in jail and I lost it.
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  I remember having that conversation with opt out.
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  He's like, dude, are we going to have to move?
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  Like this self custody thing is crazy.
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  And I remember going on the air the next day and I and I made
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  the case for you guys. I'm like lies.
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  Like this isn't a left versus right thing, Like this isn't a
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  Democrat versus Republic thing, Republican thing.
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  But the reality is that like you have one party at the moment
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  that's taken a very anti Bitcoin and pro CBDCC stance that has
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  led to consequences. Like a lot of Lightning wallets
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  and Lightning companies are just pulling out of the United States
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  altogether, right? So you have that on one side and
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  on the other side you have both RFK and Donald Trump that have
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  taken a pro Bitcoin, anti CBDC stance.
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  I mean that says a lot in my opinion.
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  Anyways, here is the CEO of Bitcoin Magazine, David Bailey,
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  and he says what's happening right now with Bitcoin and Trump
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  isn't just the transformation of America's Bitcoin regulatory
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  regime. It's the end state of the
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  current world order and the beginning of a new one.
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  What's happening right now will be remembered for hundreds of
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  years. A turning point.
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  Here is David Bailey once again. People, I am telling you this is
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  a unique moment in time. Swamp, swamp the vote turn out
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  by the millions. Elect Donald Trump and we will
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  change the course of history. I mean, this is crazy.
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  And I know, Octi, you feel the same way, brother.
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  I know you do, dude. Like you've been here in the
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  trenches with me. Here's Ross Albrecht and again,
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  referencing it's not only about Bitcoin.
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  Donald Trump at the Libertarian conference said that if he were
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  to get elected president, he pledged to commute the sentence
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  of Ross Albrecht on day one. Obviously, this is someone that
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  I would say got his sentence was politically motivated, to say
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  the least. I think the reason that he
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  resonates with so many Bitcoiners is I think that
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  Bitcoiners see him as a martyr for our movement.
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  And, you know, it's like when we know we're we've won is when
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  Ross is out of prison. Like that's when we know we've
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  accumulated enough influence, enough power in society.
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  What I didn't expect was going to happen.
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  Is it happening so quickly? I was anticipating 2028, but of
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  course, nobody knows what Bitcoin's going to do.
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  Bitcoin time is a lot faster than slower.
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  You can make the argument for. And yeah, I mean, this is crazy,
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  but I think it's a testament. I'm going to say it again.
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  I think it's a testament to the power of Bitcoin, the power of
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  this movement. And it tells me that we're
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  winning, bro, look, the fact that politicians have to come to
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  us and beg, you'd be like, could you please vote for me?
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  Like it tells me that we're winning.
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  It tells me that we're winning big.
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  Anyways, Opti, how do you feel about this?
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  Bro? This, this is crazy, dude.
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  I mean, this is nuts. He's saying all the right
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  things. Shout out also to the Bitcoin
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  magazine crew, our friends over there, cuz they've done an
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  incredible job coaching the orange man.
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  And you know, anyways, Opti, what's your take on this?
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  Yeah. So I mean, we've been covering
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  this for a few weeks and I and I literally was on the phone with
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  another Bitcoiner that also works in the industry.
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  And we were kind of, you know, parsing out what's going on.
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  And we were very black pilled on the show after the samurai
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  wallet developers got arrested. And I think we all felt like, oh
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  man, this fight is coming to our doorstep.
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  And now we really got to think about what we're go, what our
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  next moves are going to be. And then what, following a
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  couple weeks after Trump officially came out as like pro
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  Bitcoin, the narrative has shifted 100%.
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  So now I am kind of feeling a little white pilled in regards
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  to what's going on in Bitcoin in America.
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  Though with all that being said, I do still have my head on a
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  swivel because you guys already know me.
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  I, I don't really trust politicians first and foremost,
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  but it is good to hear this type of rhetoric.
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  And of course, like I love hearing the nod to the Bitcoin
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  industry from Donald Trump. I love the fact that that
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  Bitcoin mag is is on the forefront and and trying to
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  educate Trump with that true social post.
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  Though there is a few things that I would like to say, first
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  and foremost, as much as I like the idea of like bringing, you
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  know, Bitcoin mining and what do you say?
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  Like I want to make sure that all the last Bitcoin is made in
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  America. Though it sounds good, it's a
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  good talking point, I think there's still like a fundamental
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  misunderstanding on Trump on how Bitcoin mining works because
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  personally I wanted mining decentralized across the globe
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  because then there's no jurisdiction that can actually
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  attack and stop Bitcoin. I think that would hurt
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  Bitcoin's decentralization, but still having that nod to
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  Bitcoin, obviously it feels feels good.
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  And and I don't want to completely just like jump on the
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  bandwagon here and be like, OK, you know, orange man good
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  because he loves orange coin. But it's good at least having
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  these conversations. It's good that this conversation
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  is happening. And for better or worse, if
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  Trump's the guy that spearheads this conversation now everyone
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  is going to have to have a pro or a pro Bitcoin or anti Bitcoin
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  stance in the 2024 election. I think this is a good thing.
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  And we've been talking about this for a while.
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  We thought it would be probably 2020 eight that this was like
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  the defining conversation. Now the timeline has moved up.
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  So I think this is all good for Bitcoin obviously.
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  And then on the CBDC front, of course, we always say it's
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  Bitcoin and slavery. It's Bitcoin versus CBDC, though
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  I'm I'm starting to lean into the idea that we probably won't
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  ever have a federal CBDC roll out in the US because we already
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  basically have a CBDC and they're called stable coins.
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  And so we have anti CBDC legislation already basically
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  being talked talk about yes, of course.
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  I love the fact that Donald Trump is kind of leaning into
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  the rhetoric and being like, yeah, I won't allow CBC on my
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  watch. You know, I'm going to stop
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  Elizabeth Warrens goons and all that stuff.
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  With that being said, I am still a bit cautious in regards to.
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  The power that stable coins are going to have and it's basically
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  going to, you know, thrust dollarization into places that
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  the dollar could never have reached because of everyone
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  embracing stable coins. And so as much as I like this
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  conversation, it still makes me a little weary because I'm, I'm
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  seeing a lot of politicians out there basically saying, you
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  know, stable coins and Bitcoin are good, but CBD CS are bad.
• 20:24
  And I'm like, a stable coin is basically already ACBDC.
• 20:27
  So like, as far as I'm concerned, I'm still keeping my
• 20:31
  head on the swivel. Of course, as we've been saying,
• 20:34
  this does, in my opinion, also really explode the Overton
• 20:37
  window. And now it's going into
• 20:39
  OverDrive right now. And as a Bitcoiner, of course, I
• 20:43
  love to see this. And then as someone that's the
• 20:46
  reigning tinfoil hat wearer on simply Bitcoin, I'm like, all
• 20:49
  right, Like where? Where's the attack vector?
• 20:52
  Where is it coming from? We can't trust politicians, but
• 20:55
  I think it's, I think this is a good development.
• 20:58
  And I know everyone in the chat's like, oh, you know,
• 21:00
  voting's fake and politicians, we don't need them.
• 21:04
  And while I do agree where we are in the story right now,
• 21:07
  politics still has a huge hold on society.
• 21:10
  And I think it's, it's pretty clear if you're a Bitcoiner,
• 21:14
  like, look, I'm a, you know, I'm a California Mexican.
• 21:17
  I'm basically a default Democrat as far as I was concerned.
• 21:20
  And now I'm like, yo, the choice is very simple.
• 21:24
  We have one side, the Democrats actively fighting Bitcoin, the
• 21:27
  Bitcoin industry, and every one of us is in the individuals.
• 21:31
  And then the opposite side basically being, look, all
• 21:34
  right, I don't want to stop the Bitcoin industry.
• 21:37
  I want to embrace it. There's a lot of money here.
• 21:39
  Obviously that's where they're coming from.
• 21:42
  And if you scare away Bitcoiners, you're scaring away
• 21:45
  the future of, of not only finance, but technology.
• 21:48
  And I really love that you brought up the Piero Chard tweet
• 21:50
  because I, I totally agree. It's like one side, the
• 21:54
  Democrats have actively been fighting Bitcoin.
• 21:57
  And if Trump, all he has to do is basically not fight us and he
• 22:01
  actually upholds what he's saying on this, you know,
• 22:05
  political election run. But again, he's a politician.
• 22:09
  Politicians say a lot of things when they're trying to get
• 22:11
  elected. So if he does get elected, we
• 22:14
  got to, as bitcoiners, make sure that he actually upholds what
• 22:18
  he's saying. But again, he's a politician.
• 22:20
  He's going to say whatever he wants to say to get elected.
• 22:22
  So with all that being said, I think this is a good
• 22:24
  development. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 22:27
  Anyways, guys, if you guys are enjoying the show so far, make
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• 22:33
  the first hour of the show. Anyways, I'm going to pass on
• 22:36
  the mic to Brian, the men's Brian.
• 22:38
  I mean, this is a crazy timeline, dude.
• 22:40
  Like, like what the? If you would have told me this
• 22:45
  was happening two years ago, I would not have believed you
• 22:47
  whatsoever. No, no, it's this is incredibly
• 22:51
  risky for Trump, very, very risky.
• 22:54
  And what what do I mean by that? What I mean is that Trump is
• 22:58
  courting a high signal voter base.
• 23:01
  To me that that screams of, you know, whatever you think about
• 23:06
  Trump. I mean, I, I, again, we as
• 23:08
  Bitcoiners do not, we inherently do not trust politicians, but
• 23:12
  that is a, a very bold move by Trump to court a, a voter base
• 23:17
  who, if you don't, if you don't listen to that voter base, they
• 23:20
  will turn on you very quickly. Not only will they turn on you
• 23:23
  or, or stop supporting you, but they'll, they'll turn on you and
• 23:26
  become anti Trump. So if, if Trump courts us, if he
• 23:30
  courts us and brings us in and, and, and says that he's going to
• 23:33
  do all these things and then he gets in there and then doesn't
• 23:35
  free Ross. And then he, you know, signs
• 23:38
  CBDC legislation and then he, you know, puts regulators in
• 23:42
  place of, of, of Bitcoin mining and, and puts traps in place.
• 23:46
  Then guess who's coming after Trump?
• 23:48
  The the entire left is coming after Trump, which they've been
• 23:51
  doing. But now you have people who are
• 23:54
  on the right, who are libertarian, who are on the
• 23:55
  left. You have a, you have a coalition
• 23:57
  of people who aren't just a bunch of NPC voters.
• 24:02
  These are high signal, high, high influence voters.
• 24:06
  And they're not just people that are on Twitter.
• 24:09
  They're not just people that are on social media, but they're
• 24:11
  people that have economic votes, economic votes with money,
• 24:14
  people that have buying power. That is so much more powerful
• 24:18
  than just the NPC voters. Like, you know, Opti and I live
• 24:21
  here in California, that California is an NPC voter
• 24:25
  state, non playable character state where, where it's, it's
• 24:30
  not even if you look at at the electoral maps, there's some
• 24:33
  states that are flipping back and forth, like, you know,
• 24:35
  Wisconsin goes Democrats sometimes and then they go red.
• 24:37
  That shows that they at least have a light bulb on in their
• 24:40
  head. Like they, they're, they're,
• 24:41
  they're, they're like navigating through politics.
• 24:43
  But in California, we're just dark blue.
• 24:46
  You know, that's like California's just voting for one
• 24:48
  side. And it doesn't matter what the
• 24:50
  issues are. But when you court Bitcoiners,
• 24:52
  they're very perceptive to the issues.
• 24:55
  They're very perceptive to what's right and what's wrong
• 24:57
  and what's just, and what's fair.
• 24:59
  And like you guys said, it's just about staying out of the
• 25:01
  way. But as soon as you tread on
• 25:03
  Bitcoiners, Bitcoiners are going to bite, and they're going to
• 25:06
  bite hard. Actually, actually, there's
• 25:10
  something I did want to say, because yesterday I was kind of
• 25:12
  giving you Flack about that. It's a stretch to think that
• 25:16
  politicians would just get out of the way and let bitcoiners do
• 25:19
  what they want to do. And the very next, another, like
• 25:22
  six hours later, we have Trump. That's basically like, yeah, I'm
• 25:25
  just, you know, I'm going to let you guys do what you do.
• 25:27
  So, you know, I'll take the egg on that one.
• 25:28
  Nico, I guess maybe you were right.
• 25:30
  I mean let. Me say something real quick too.
• 25:33
  I don't know. Did any of you guys hear David
• 25:35
  Bailey? He went in on like he was like
• 25:36
  11:00 last night on West Coast time.
• 25:39
  Did you guys, you guys hear that?
• 25:40
  So he said he did a Twitter space last night or an X space.
• 25:44
  And one line that stuck out to me that he said was, guys, if I
• 25:50
  could share everything from the meeting, just if I could just
• 25:53
  share it, not saying that anything's implemented, but if I
• 25:55
  could just share what Trump was talking about yesterday, Bitcoin
• 25:58
  would be at 100K tomorrow. Now I don't know what that
• 26:01
  means, but the things that Trump is talking about aren't just
• 26:05
  like, oh, I'm going to be anti CBDC.
• 26:07
  It sounds like it's very, very pro Bitcoin.
• 26:10
  Now that that can be kind of scary, right?
• 26:12
  Because we don't, we don't want a bunch of positive regulation
• 26:16
  around Bitcoin because those can be snares and traps.
• 26:18
  But I think David Bailey's smart enough to understand that, that
• 26:21
  a hands off approach is probably the best approach forward.
• 26:24
  So that was a quote from David Bailey.
• 26:26
  He didn't say what it was, but he said Bitcoin would be 100K
• 26:28
  tomorrow if I could publicize what our meeting was about.
• 26:32
  I believe it. And, and by the way, they've
• 26:33
  done, they've done such an incredible.
• 26:35
  Thing to say the same thing, you know at this point shouts out to
• 26:37
  the Bitcoin mag. I know you guys give them a lot
• 26:39
  of shit, but like, they do a lot of stuff on the back end that
• 26:42
  you guys don't see on Twitter. And I, I got to give a big shout
• 26:46
  out to the whole Bitcoin mag team because I, I think they're
• 26:49
  actually moving the needle forward.
• 26:50
  As much Flack as you can give them for the ordinal stuff.
• 26:53
  We know, but we still love them. They're still doing work that
• 26:56
  you guys don't see publicly. Absolutely man, definitely doing
• 26:59
  Satoshi's work. Anyway, shout out to the 1200 of
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• 30:34
  meme because memes are very powerful and a little hat tip to
• 30:37
  opti. So this is the Citadel meme and
• 30:40
  it kind of breaks down all the Bitcoin levels, but a lot of
• 30:43
  this doesn't make sense like the make it the break it the suicide
• 30:47
  stack, you know, generation this thing's.
• 30:49
  Also like 10 years old though Nico so.
• 30:51
  It's also 10 years old, but but you're just like, wow, like, you
• 30:53
  know, especially these days, right?
• 30:55
  You know, 10 Bitcoin is out of the hands of a lot of people,
• 30:57
  right? So I did a lot of research this
• 31:01
  morning and I'm going to start off with this image.
• 31:05
  So first here's the global wealth distribution pyramid,
• 31:09
  right? And it breaks it down how many
• 31:12
  people fit into each kind of into each part of the pyramid,
• 31:17
  right? So at the very top, you have
• 31:19
  only 60 million people worldwide that are rough, worth roughly
• 31:24
  $1,000,000 or more. Now, what's incredibly bullish
• 31:28
  about that statistic is if you if you divide 21 million Bitcoin
• 31:33
  by 59 million millionaires, you only get .35 Bitcoin per
• 31:39
  billionaire if they're evenly divided.
• 31:42
  So what's the action item here? Get to .35 million, 35.35 BTC
• 31:49
  because you'll be like on a world scale as rare as someone
• 31:54
  you know that has $1,000,000 today.
• 31:56
  You can also make an argument that with inflation and all
• 31:58
  that, $1,000,000 is not what it used to be.
• 32:01
  Also let's address the question on today's topic, which is how
• 32:06
  much Bitcoin do you need to retire?
• 32:08
  So I'm gonna take a different approach that I did last time.
• 32:10
  I always want to change this up for you guys cuz I know that you
• 32:12
  guys love this topic. So what I did is I asked
• 32:16
  Google's AI said how much money do you need to retire?
• 32:19
  And this is the rule that it came back.
• 32:20
  It came up with the 25 X rule. It's a it's a retirement
• 32:25
  planning guideline that suggests saving 25 times your annual
• 32:29
  expenses before you retire. The rule is based on the idea
• 32:32
  that a well invested retirement portfolio can consistently
• 32:36
  provide 4% of its value each year to cover living expenses,
• 32:41
  which is known as the 4% rule. To calculate your #25X your 25 X
• 32:47
  number, you can multiply your monthly expenses by 12.
• 32:51
  To get your annual expenses, multiply your annual expenses by
• 32:55
  25. For example, if your monthly
• 32:58
  expenses are $6000 a month, your 25 X number would be 1.51 point
• 33:03
  8 million. The 25 X rule has some
• 33:06
  advantages, including simplicity focuses on portfolio size,
• 33:10
  encouraging encourages living below your means.
• 33:13
  However, the rule has some limitations, including neglects
• 33:16
  important factors and oversimplification.
• 33:18
  I would say, you know, just being Bitcoin, since it's been
• 33:23
  it's been it's been quite a while now, long and tumultuous
• 33:27
  journey, to say the least. I would say simple's a good
• 33:30
  thing, right? Simply is a good thing.
• 33:32
  Simple's a good thing. I think that if you over
• 33:35
  complicate things don't have to be over complicated.
• 33:37
  What I've noticed also too, like you'll notice with like like a
• 33:42
  lot of these like wealth management firms and like these
• 33:44
  financial products, they'll try to over complicate it on purpose
• 33:47
  so that you don't understand it anyways.
• 33:50
  So kind of addressing today, like what is the number?
• 33:53
  So first, what is, and this is low depending on your state,
• 33:58
  right? So New York, California, those
• 34:01
  are high income states. So the cost of living is going
• 34:04
  to be a lot higher than this. But I took the average for the
• 34:07
  US and feel free like you guys already know the formula.
• 34:12
  Go to the 25 X rule and it's very simple math if you guys
• 34:16
  want to change the numbers. But for the sake of this
• 34:19
  episode, let's use the average household's monthly expenses,
• 34:23
  which are $6081.00. That's what that was the annual,
• 34:27
  that was the monthly expenses for the year of 2022.
• 34:31
  So the average annual income after taxes is $83,000 from
• 34:35
  $78,000 in 2022. So I just took the expenses
• 34:39
  because that's what the 25 X rules said and I did 6081 * 12
• 34:46
  is 73,025 * 73,000 is 1.82 million.
• 34:52
  At 69 K per Bitcoin, you'll need 26.37 Bitcoin to retire.
• 34:59
  Now I know I like that seems out of the out of the hands of a lot
• 35:04
  of people. And This is why I said that
• 35:06
  there's two different ways of looking at this.
• 35:09
  There's the way of looking at it via Fiat and there's the way of
• 35:13
  looking at it via Bitcoin. And I think if you look at it
• 35:18
  from the perspective of Bitcoin, things change a little bit.
• 35:22
  So what is you know, the 25 X rule?
• 35:24
  Like why is it why is it 25 X specifically?
• 35:27
  Well says the rule is based on the idea that a well invested
• 35:30
  retirement portfolio can consistently provide 4% of its
• 35:34
  value each year to cover living expenses, which is known as the
• 35:38
  4% rule. Now there lies one of the
• 35:43
  problems with the with the issue fundamentally, which is like why
• 35:48
  do I have to be in it? Why do I have to become an
• 35:50
  investor just to maintain my purchasing power?
• 35:54
  Like that idea is nuts. If the money was working, right,
• 35:58
  if sound money were a thing, you would just save and sound money,
• 36:02
  of course, investments would be there.
• 36:04
  There would be investment opportunities, But you would
• 36:06
  always have in the back of your mind, is this investment going
• 36:10
  to keep up with Bitcoin, right? And that kind of changes the
• 36:13
  conversation a little bit. And the 4% aspect kind of gets
• 36:18
  thrown out the window, right? You know, if you take a very
• 36:21
  conservative approach, people are anticipating, you know, 10
• 36:25
  to 20% compound growth in Bitcoin's history moving
• 36:29
  forward. And again, that's a very, very
• 36:31
  extremely conservative approach. And then I also want to
• 36:35
  introduce this other idea, which is Bitcoin brings deterministic
• 36:42
  optimism to the table and it brings hope to the table.
• 36:45
  What do I mean by that? When you transition to a Bitcoin
• 36:49
  standard, it's not a question of will you able to will you be
• 36:52
  able to afford something if you work hard enough?
• 36:56
  It's a question of when will you be able to afford something when
• 37:00
  you work hard enough. There is a cost to number go up
• 37:04
  technology and that cost is time.
• 37:07
  That's the that's the cost you're paying right.
• 37:10
  But if you do simple math and I did it for you guys in the
• 37:12
  beginning, 21 million Bitcoin, if you divide those by the
• 37:17
  equally by the 59 million millionaires that are on planet
• 37:21
  earth, just the millionaires. I'm not talking about all of
• 37:23
  planet Earth. You get .35 BTC per millionaire,
• 37:27
  right? So anyways, I'm going to end it
• 37:29
  with this calculation which my friend Jimbo developed and you
• 37:35
  guys can check it out. I'll put it in the chat if you
• 37:37
  guys want to plug in your numbers yourself.
• 37:40
  And also you can send them some sats if you guys want to donate
• 37:42
  to him and kind of support this project that he developed back
• 37:46
  in 2022. It's called When Moon it's on.
• 37:51
  It's hosted on observablehq.com. Whoa.
• 37:55
  Did you guys hear the lightning in the background?
• 37:57
  Those. Yeah.
• 37:58
  Anyways, yeah, it's going crazy in Miami right now.
• 38:01
  Anyways, so the name of this project is When Moon give my
• 38:05
  Bitcoin stack? When Can I retire?
• 38:07
  This notebook helps you estimate the date at which you can live
• 38:10
  forever on a given Bitcoin stack.
• 38:14
  It goes, obviously, it gives the warning.
• 38:15
  Making predictions about the future is notoriously difficult.
• 38:18
  Obviously, no one knows. But what I would say when using
• 38:21
  these types of tools is take an extremely conservative approach,
• 38:26
  right? Like be bearish.
• 38:28
  And I think that will kind of, you know, give you a good idea.
• 38:32
  So let's be bearish, let's be ultra conservative.
• 38:35
  Let's say the inflation rate is not at 3%, it's actually at 4.
• 38:41
  And let's say the annual Bitcoin appreciation rate is not at 50,
• 38:46
  that a lot of people, if you look back, it's been on average
• 38:49
  250%. People are anticipating that.
• 38:52
  I'll throw it to Brian. Brian, what do you think the
• 38:55
  compound appreciation rate of Bitcoin is going to be for the
• 38:59
  next 10 years? I don't think, I don't think it,
• 39:03
  it decelerates at all. I, I think we, I think, I
• 39:06
  personally think that it's still going 150% a year for 10 years.
• 39:10
  I, I, I think that that's actually probably on the lower
• 39:13
  side, yeah, based on worldwide adoption, I think it'll be
• 39:17
  higher than that. But let's just, I, I don't want
• 39:20
  to throw your calculations off by even being that high.
• 39:22
  So if you want to go conservative, let's.
• 39:23
  Do 2, let's do 2, we'll do someone said 40% in the chat,
• 39:26
  Nico, and then we can do a. 100 let let's like we have the time
• 39:29
  it's it's about this episode, right we have plenty of time so
• 39:32
  let's experiment, right and this is what and I and I and I'm
• 39:35
  really glad that Brian put that 150% right.
• 39:38
  I'm really glad because it it again, I think highlights the
• 39:42
  hope that is Bitcoin versus the Fiat system.
• 39:45
  So let's compare and contrast under the Fiat system.
• 39:49
  If you are to follow the 25 X rule just to retire on the
• 39:53
  average income. Brian and I both know that 73 K
• 39:56
  in Miami and California is absolutely nothing right.
• 40:01
  But again, this is kind of like the average for the.
• 40:04
  The country, right, $73,000 and if you go anywhere else in the
• 40:08
  world, $72,000 is a lot of money.
• 40:10
  You could live pretty well. But that's when I'm, that's why
• 40:13
  I'm using it for this example specifically.
• 40:15
  But if you just wanted to retire on 73 K, you'd need $1.82
• 40:20
  million, right? That's not accounting for the
• 40:24
  part of your income that you're going to put in taxes, you're
• 40:26
  going to put in housing, you're going to put in healthcare.
• 40:28
  That's not accounting any of that.
• 40:30
  You'd need 1.82 million just to feel like you can retire
• 40:34
  peacefully. I think that's unachievable for
• 40:37
  most people, in my opinion. Like unless you're extremely
• 40:40
  disciplined, you know what you're doing.
• 40:43
  I think for most people, I think reaching that number is going to
• 40:46
  be very, very difficult. Now let's talk about what Brian
• 40:50
  just said. What about on Bitcoin?
• 40:53
  What about saving on Bitcoin? What about hoping to retire on
• 40:57
  on a Bitcoin standard? That conversation changes
• 40:59
  dramatically. So Brian expects 150% Bitcoin
• 41:04
  appreciation rate over the next 10 years.
• 41:06
  Let's keep the 73,000 the same. Let's keep the USD increase 4%,
• 41:12
  so 1% over what it's currently being reported as and your stack
• 41:16
  size. Now what's really crazy about
• 41:18
  this with these high numbers is that your moon date would
• 41:23
  actually be this year. Five months.
• 41:27
  Wait three months from now. Let's go.
• 41:29
  If you just have one Bitcoin, you could and it appreciates
• 41:33
  150% over the next 10 years. You can theoretically retire
• 41:40
  this year, which is absolutely nuts.
• 41:41
  But OK, let's go a little bit down because I know that one
• 41:44
  bitcoins out of the reach out of the hands of out of the out of
• 41:47
  the reach of a lot of people, especially if you're new to
• 41:50
  Bitcoin, your class of 2024 class of 2023 want to be
• 41:53
  respectful to you guys. So let's just put it down .1
• 41:58
  Bitcoin, right One is your moon date 2027.
• 42:02
  So 2027. If bitcoins annual appreciation
• 42:05
  rate is 150, you can theoretically retire off .1
• 42:10
  Bitcoin. So .1 Bitcoin is currently going
• 42:14
  to cost you $6900. Now compare and contrast that
• 42:20
  with this. So $6000 versus 1.82 million.
• 42:25
  Now I know what a lot of you guys are going to say.
• 42:28
  Annual appreciation rate is a bit high.
• 42:29
  OK, so let's go ultra conservative.
• 42:31
  I, I, if this hit 20%, I would be highly disappointed.
• 42:36
  But let's just do it for the sake of this, right?
• 42:39
  Your, your retirement would be 2054, so 2054, I think that's 30
• 42:46
  years from now, right? So if you're 30, that's roughly,
• 42:50
  you know, you're roughly, you're roughly 60 years old or 65 or
• 42:55
  60. Yeah, literally like 60 years
• 42:57
  old. And that's with 10 million sats.
• 42:59
  That's with 10 million sats, so that cost you $6900 today.
• 43:04
  And Brian, get this. This is only with an annual
• 43:07
  Bitcoin appreciation rate of 20%, which we know like.
• 43:10
  And with no further stacking as well.
• 43:12
  No further stacking, just .1. That's it.
• 43:15
  That's insane. Yeah.
• 43:17
  So contrast, like contrast that with this like what Fiat world
• 43:21
  is telling you is to dude, you somehow got to manage to put
• 43:25
  together $1.84 million in Fiat for you to retire versus you do
• 43:33
  just buy $6900 worth of Bitcoin. Work, work, wait 30 years and
• 43:37
  you'll be don't don't worry about it, right.
• 43:39
  Like it it's night and day. And This is why I say Bitcoin is
• 43:45
  deterministic optimism. Bitcoin is hope in a world of
• 43:50
  Fiat darkness. Bitcoin gives you the ability to
• 43:53
  plan, right? Anyways, I do want to pass it on
• 43:55
  to Opti. Opti, let's plug some numbers in
• 43:58
  here. So do we could keep one Bitcoin,
• 44:02
  we'll keep that up the inflation to like 15 and then we'll go
• 44:07
  with Brian's 150 appreciation rate.
• 44:13
  OK, so the moon date would be 2027.
• 44:16
  That's crazy. 10 million sets. 10 million sets.
• 44:19
  That's crazy. Do do a whole coin for the whole
• 44:22
  coiners out there. 2024. Retiring the end of this year.
• 44:27
  Let's go. Got a few.
• 44:30
  Months. OK, well, I I chefs at the
• 44:32
  Jimbo. I haven't seen you in a minute,
• 44:34
  bro. Love you, love the work you do.
• 44:35
  Go get some of Jimbo's playing cards.
• 44:37
  Actually, I don't. I think those are those are not
• 44:40
  being sold anymore. Those are those are collectors
• 44:42
  editions now. Anyways, I think the, I think
• 44:45
  the, the sentiment in the chat is seeing these numbers,
• 44:49
  especially in Fiat terms, is all probably making us feel like we
• 44:53
  have the delete yourself stack because we're all poor and we're
• 44:56
  all like, man, I need more Bitcoin.
• 44:59
  It kind of goes down to the whole idea of like, you never
• 45:01
  have enough Bitcoin. And This is why I always say,
• 45:03
  and I'm glad that Brian brought this up the idea and I always
• 45:06
  kind of joke about it and I put it in meme form, but like we're
• 45:09
  playing hungry hippo. I, I don't see, I don't foresee
• 45:11
  a time in my future where I won't be saving in Bitcoin,
• 45:15
  especially once you understand that Bitcoin is the best store
• 45:18
  value, period. It's the best money period.
• 45:21
  What else are you going to save your money in?
• 45:22
  So I think part of this is the idea that like you want to build
• 45:26
  your skills, make sure your cash flow comes in, make sure you are
• 45:28
  building businesses and, and, and working for as long as you
• 45:32
  can. Again, I've said this before.
• 45:33
  I really don't believe in retirement so much.
• 45:35
  It's kind of what me and Nikka always say is like find your
• 45:38
  purpose and continue to work on that for as long as humanly
• 45:41
  possible. And that's how you live a
• 45:44
  fulfilling life. But with all that being said,
• 45:47
  I'm still convinced, and maybe this is just because of the era
• 45:50
  that I came into Bitcoin that owning a full coin should be
• 45:54
  everyone's goal. I know now it's a little out of
• 45:56
  reach. It's, it's more than what people
• 45:58
  make a year in salary. So obviously it's going to like
• 46:02
  most people don't have those funds, especially when you
• 46:06
  connect that with the idea that very few people have savings
• 46:10
  right now. I, I've been kind of looking
• 46:12
  into some of the, the statistics out there, especially for like
• 46:15
  millennials and Gen. Zers out there.
• 46:17
  And it's, it's ridiculous how little people have in savings,
• 46:22
  like people living off like $6000 and less.
• 46:25
  It's just like, it blows my mind how the Fiat system has
• 46:28
  incentivized us to just live paycheck to paycheck and, you
• 46:32
  know, go out there and try to keep up with the Joneses and us
• 46:36
  Bitcoiners. Not saying that all Bitcoiners
• 46:38
  are frugal, but it's a totally different mindset where you are
• 46:42
  incentivized to save as much value as possible.
• 46:45
  Think about your future, lower your time preference so that
• 46:47
  whenever you know, or rather God, God forbidding you, get in
• 46:51
  in a position where you need to live off your savings like you
• 46:54
  have, you have something there. You got to make sure that you
• 46:57
  are protecting yourself, whereas in the field world, you're
• 46:59
  incentivized to just take out debt, you know, get yourself
• 47:02
  wrecked and and live live on a big daddy government to protect
• 47:07
  you over here. But I really love that the new
• 47:09
  memes coming out from the newer bit corners and new stacking
• 47:12
  goals really just goes to show how far we have can't come as
• 47:16
  bit corners and or rather maybe how how old like Brian and Nico
• 47:21
  and I are in this Bitcoin journey.
• 47:23
  You know, we've been doing it 876 years now and it it it's
• 47:27
  interesting how that number goes down, especially once you
• 47:31
  understand the number go up thesis.
• 47:33
  And you know, I've I've been seeing 50 million sets or half a
• 47:36
  coin 10 million sets. Like we're talking about.
• 47:39
  When I grew up in the Bitcoin space, we had American Huddle
• 47:42
  basically saying 6.15 and now I see people saying like .615 and
• 47:48
  .0615. So it's funny how these memes
• 47:52
  start to iterate on themselves and people just, you know, lower
• 47:56
  the bar for stacking goals. And I think that just goes to
• 47:59
  show how powerful Bitcoin is as a savings mechanism that over
• 48:03
  time your life does get cheaper on Bitcoin.
• 48:05
  Maybe Nico, maybe we pull up what's the price in Bitcoin 21
• 48:09
  real quick. I know we we haven't done that
• 48:11
  one in a minute. But it just before we do that I
• 48:14
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• 48:17
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• 49:25
  Yeah, one one last thought, then we'll pass it to Brian.
• 49:28
  While I said that and I was looking in the chat, I was
• 49:31
  reminded of our boy CK Snarks who constantly tweets.
• 49:35
  None of us are bullish enough. And I, and I have to echo that
• 49:38
  because as a bitcoiner, we obviously don't know where the
• 49:41
  price is going. All we know is it's going up
• 49:43
  forever. Laura and Infinity divided by 21
• 49:47
  million. And I just, I'm always reminded
• 49:49
  and it always blows my mind like none.
• 49:51
  I don't think any of us are bullish enough because I
• 49:53
  fundamentally believe, and I say this probably like once a week.
• 49:57
  I'm like a broken record where I'm convinced that any amount of
• 50:00
  Sats that we hold today are going to be an incredible amount
• 50:04
  of wealth moving forward into the future.
• 50:06
  Obviously you got to stretch your time frame out a little
• 50:09
  bit, but whatever you're holding today, if you can hold it for 10
• 50:12
  years, it's going to increase in value.
• 50:14
  And I, I just fundamentally think most of us aren't wired to
• 50:18
  think that way because we're so used to the field.
• 50:20
  Yeah, we're so used to our our money or currency losing value
• 50:24
  that we forget that now we have the best store value period, The
• 50:28
  best money, period. And it is Bitcoin.
• 50:30
  It doesn't leak value. And This is why you want to
• 50:32
  continue to save, continue to stack, always buy consistently
• 50:37
  and hold on to that Bitcoin for as long as possible.
• 50:39
  Anyways, let's pass it to Brian or wait, you go pull up the site
• 50:41
  and then. Pass it before we do it.
• 50:42
  I do want to I want to give a shout out to No Lightning goats
• 50:45
  in the in the chat. Can we pay for orange Fallout
• 50:47
  membership in Sats Ryan? You absolutely can, yes.
• 50:51
  Lightning goats. Big fan of the work by the way,
• 50:53
  if that's the real lightning goats in the chat.
• 50:55
  If. You guys had him on the show.
• 50:57
  I was, I was working, I was in the same office I'm I'm at right
• 51:00
  now and I just, I just dropped everything I was doing and I was
• 51:03
  like, I just started feeding the goats itself.
• 51:05
  That was that was like the greatest simply Bitcoin episode
• 51:07
  of all time. Dude, it was so I, I, I, I broke
• 51:10
  like, I, I 'cause we're so used to like having guests and, you
• 51:14
  know, he just SAT's a humble guy.
• 51:15
  You know, he's, he's a humble guy.
• 51:17
  He's reserved. And then all of a sudden he just
• 51:19
  pulls out these fucking goats, man.
• 51:21
  And it was just absolutely awesome.
• 51:22
  I love Bitcoiners. They just continue to build
• 51:25
  really, really cool shit. Also, we have Soshi Satoshi.
• 51:30
  I'm a lifetime member of on OPA. So yeah, I'm cool with that
• 51:34
  lightning bolt and orange heart. Anyways, I do want to pull up
• 51:37
  the price in Bitcoin 21 is a website that we reference all
• 51:41
  the time. But essentially what it does is
• 51:43
  it tells you in percentage terms how much cheaper life is getting
• 51:48
  if you've been saving in Bitcoin.
• 51:50
  And it will tell you like a bunch of things that we know we
• 51:53
  tend to use. So oil, gold, I mean, I don't
• 51:56
  know if you use gold anymore, but the S&P 500, perhaps you
• 51:59
  invest in stocks for whatever reason, you know, the dollar,
• 52:03
  United States medium new house, you know, even with housing
• 52:05
  prices going through the roof, if you've been saving in
• 52:08
  Bitcoin, this is what we're talking about, right?
• 52:10
  The the retirement is a little bit different, but essentially
• 52:14
  it's just a different way of, of, of, of saying the exact same
• 52:17
  thing we're saying is that life gets cheaper when you transition
• 52:21
  to a Bitcoin standard. So even with housing doubling in
• 52:25
  the last, you know, 2-3 years, housing has gotten 87% cheaper
• 52:30
  if you've been saving in Bitcoin for the last five years.
• 52:32
  It's gotten 75% cheaper if you've been saving in Bitcoin
• 52:35
  for the last three years. So this is what I mean, Like
• 52:38
  saving in Bitcoin is superior to anything else you're doing.
• 52:42
  Brian, what's your take on all this, brother?
• 52:45
  I think that it's, it's really, really simple.
• 52:49
  It's, it can be, we can get a lot like it.
• 52:50
  It can be fun if you've got a, if you've got 10 million sets,
• 52:53
  it's really fun to run the calculators.
• 52:55
  If you got 10 Bitcoin, it's really fun to run the
• 52:56
  calculators. If you have less than that, it
• 52:59
  can be a really good motivation. But if anybody's watching the
• 53:02
  show and it it, that process made anybody feel like too far
• 53:06
  removed or, you know, they're getting lost in the sauce on it.
• 53:09
  Keep in mind that great minds think about the small edges they
• 53:14
  can get in life. I was just thinking about this
• 53:17
  as you were talking right now for anybody that that likes MMA
• 53:21
  or watched MMA, one of the greatest fighters of all time
• 53:23
  was this guy named George George Saint Pierre.
• 53:26
  And he was the guy was known for his insane, insane training
• 53:30
  regimen. The guy had the most strict
• 53:32
  diet. He did.
• 53:33
  He took every edge he could possibly do, But then he went
• 53:36
  beyond that. He had statisticians quantify
• 53:39
  all these different statistics about MMA that were things that
• 53:42
  were beyond his control. So what they found was that, you
• 53:45
  know, when you, when you went to the weigh in and the, the guy
• 53:49
  that wore red, if, if, if you wore red, that guy tended to win
• 53:53
  like 5% of the time more or in, in a stare down.
• 53:57
  The guy who didn't smile tended to win 10% of the time.
• 54:01
  More like it was there was all these little tiny edges that
• 54:04
  people didn't think were a big deal, but they were these small
• 54:07
  micro edges that were beyond because of course, in MMA,
• 54:10
  everybody's training hard, everybody's eating well,
• 54:13
  everybody's intense. Everybody's been, you know, been
• 54:15
  doing this for their entire lifetime.
• 54:17
  And so when you're in a world where there's traditional
• 54:20
  finance all around you, there's, there's, there's people in the
• 54:23
  Fiat world. There's a lot of, like we talked
• 54:26
  about earlier, there's a lot of NPCS in the Fiat world, There's
• 54:29
  a lot of really smart people in the Fiat world.
• 54:31
  There's still the Jerome Powells that are, that are working
• 54:33
  against you. So the duty of the bitcoiner,
• 54:36
  the, the prerogative of the bitcoiner, the wise bitcoiner is
• 54:38
  looking for every edge they can. And at the end of the day, every
• 54:41
  dollar in Bitcoin, every dollar that you convert into Bitcoin is
• 54:45
  outpacing the, the fact that if it would have stayed in, in that
• 54:48
  dollar, right? And so whether you can retire
• 54:51
  earlier or you're just running the race faster, that's what
• 54:55
  Bitcoin promises is that you're going to run the race faster.
• 54:57
  Maybe that race is a faster race to retirement, or maybe it's
• 55:00
  just being able to buy more food for your kids when inflation
• 55:04
  spikes. Either way, you're putting
• 55:06
  yourself in an advantageous position because you're getting
• 55:09
  on the Bitcoin train. 100% I 100% agree with that man.
• 55:14
  Wait Niko, can I troll a little little guys?
• 55:17
  New meme just dropped. Bitcoin is the edge.
• 55:19
  I want to see the Edge U2 memes on Twitter right when the show
• 55:23
  ends. Oh, man.
• 55:26
  All right, everybody, let's hit the culture.
• 55:28
  Lots to talk about. We're going to talk about Brian
• 55:30
  and what he's working on, his projects, his book, The Orange
• 55:33
  Plop. So much to get to.
• 55:35
  Anyway, let's hit the culture. Let's do it.
• 55:37
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• 56:54
  comes on the show. We have great conversation and
• 56:56
  really enjoy it. And man, I got to get a signed
• 56:59
  copy of your the the pre release book, which, you know, I cheer
• 57:05
  us very much. It's on my bookshelf of awesome
• 57:08
  books. And man, thank you so much for
• 57:11
  coming on the show to get show today.
• 57:13
  Oh man, well, it was it was an honor as people in the audience.
• 57:16
  I have a lot of simply Bitcoin people have have read the book
• 57:19
  and reached out. Thank you guys so much for being
• 57:21
  for being huge supporters. There's an entire chapter that's
• 57:24
  kind of an homage to simply Bitcoin.
• 57:26
  It's tweets are the bullets and and are sorry.
• 57:29
  How do they say tweets are the bullets and memes are the
• 57:31
  artillery. That's the, that's the name of
• 57:33
  the chapter and that's, that's, that's the, the the chapter on
• 57:35
  counter propaganda is, is really very much encouraged by the work
• 57:41
  that you guys do here. And so that that book's been a
• 57:45
  smashing success again, because of the, the plebs its entire
• 57:49
  first week, it was number one on Amazon and in the, in the
• 57:52
  inflation and monetary categories and all that kind of
• 57:54
  stuff. So guys, I just like just a club
• 57:58
  that decided to, to write a couple books in Bitcoin to, to
• 58:01
  push some ideas out there. That's what this thing is all
• 58:03
  about. I, I don't have this like
• 58:05
  incredible background that that made me like super qualified or
• 58:09
  anything like that. But it's just one of those proof
• 58:11
  of work type of things that put the stuff out there.
• 58:13
  People liked it, people shared it and it was in large part
• 58:16
  because it because of you guys. And so I can't say thank you
• 58:19
  enough, Nico. It was, it was incredible to see
• 58:22
  you in Madera and go out of your way like you were, you were at
• 58:24
  the end of the day, you're ready to go home.
• 58:27
  You just been and you worked at, you know, 12 hour day and you
• 58:30
  stuck around for, you know, for my talk at the end and got a
• 58:33
  copy of the book. So thank you so much for that.
• 58:36
  But the the book is a is a really big idea.
• 58:39
  I think it's the first of, of a of the third generation of
• 58:44
  Bitcoin books. I've talked about this before,
• 58:46
  but I think it's a really, really cool kind of idea.
• 58:49
  There's the pre Bitcoin books, there's the sovereign
• 58:51
  individuals, there's the Roth, the Roth bars and the von Mises.
• 58:54
  There's those things that probably highly influenced
• 58:57
  Satoshi. And then there's the, the
• 58:59
  generation two or the 2nd wave of Bitcoin books, which is like
• 59:02
  the Bitcoin standard and, and broken money and, and soft war
• 59:07
  and those types of things. The, the kind of understanding
• 59:09
  Bitcoin and what are the implications of Bitcoin?
• 59:12
  And now there's this new wave of books.
• 59:13
  I don't know if people have recognized that, but there's
• 59:15
  like a third wave and, and I think parallel fits in that,
• 59:18
  that category of the 3rd wave is the OK, I understand Bitcoin.
• 59:21
  I've orange peeled a few of my friends, but what now?
• 59:24
  Like what's the next step? Is it just all about stacking or
• 59:28
  is it about building something bigger and, and better for the
• 59:31
  future? And I think that that's what
• 59:32
  parallel represents. The, the cool thing is, is that
• 59:36
  parallel, it's, it's not destroying the existing system.
• 59:40
  It's literally just building a better a, a, a new and better
• 59:43
  system that deprives the old system of oxygen.
• 59:46
  If the old system survives on its own, then, then then good
• 59:49
  for it. But if the parallel system is is
• 59:52
  out there, so get distracted. But that's.
• 59:55
  That is so funny. Yeah, there's a two star out
• 1:00:03
  there. Wait, before before you jump
• 1:00:06
  into it, you said something really wise, Brian, which is the
• 1:00:10
  fact that the existing system needs you as fuel.
• 1:00:15
  It needs human energy and time as fuel.
• 1:00:18
  Without it, it starves to death, right?
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  Could you go back Opti 'cause I, I'm gonna read some of that.
• 1:00:24
  Dude, that is troll level like 100, man.
• 1:00:28
  So starting off with Stalin, right?
• 1:00:31
  The dictator of the USSR killed like 20 million Ukrainians.
• 1:00:34
  Anyways, goes on to say, ah, here we are have an attempt at
• 1:00:37
  literature that would have the likes of Marks and Angles
• 1:00:40
  spinning in their graves faster than A5 year plan in a style
• 1:00:44
  reminiscent of bourgeoisie player circle After You Move and
• 1:00:49
  the spiritual memoir regales us with idiotic individualistic
• 1:00:54
  concepts for for the capitalist swine.
• 1:00:58
  If buddy could be measured like tractor production.
• 1:01:05
  Saddam Hussein rates the book one star out of five.
• 1:01:09
  The book's major flaw is its failure to recognize the
• 1:01:12
  importance of strong, centralized leadership in
• 1:01:15
  maintaining order and national pride.
• 1:01:17
  The notion of dispensing financial power among the masses
• 1:01:22
  without controlling state apparatus would be seen as a
• 1:01:25
  recipe for chaos and weakness. In my view, any system that
• 1:01:28
  diminishes the straights grip over its resources and its
• 1:01:31
  people, as the book proposes, is inherently flawed and a threat
• 1:01:34
  to the stability and the grandeur.
• 1:01:36
  Of a nation. This one's wild, right?
• 1:01:39
  Paul Pot, the guy who massacred everybody in, in I think it was
• 1:01:43
  Cambodia, the Killing Fields, I believe.
• 1:01:47
  And he and he, he goes on to say zero stars out of five.
• 1:01:50
  I might have killed a lot more, a lot of people, but this book
• 1:01:53
  is somehow worse. The author clearly has no, no
• 1:01:56
  idea, no clue how to how utterly stupid the masses are.
• 1:02:00
  They must be controlled like a dog.
• 1:02:03
  They must be told what to do. And of course you have Mussolini
• 1:02:06
  at the bottom. Two out of five Hate the content
• 1:02:09
  while written. That was my favorite one.
• 1:02:13
  Oh man. He he had to give a little props
• 1:02:16
  so that that was so fun because we, we took old, old speeches
• 1:02:20
  and old content and dumped it into, you know, ChatGPT 4 and
• 1:02:25
  then asked it to read the book and then write, write a review.
• 1:02:28
  So, so that was as close as we could get to actual reviews from
• 1:02:33
  from the dictators. I just thought I had so much fun
• 1:02:35
  with that. Yes, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  It totally is though a total if you use ChatGPT, that completely
• 1:02:44
  changes the conversation. If you use ChatGPT and you input
• 1:02:47
  their speeches and then you input the book and you're like,
• 1:02:49
  right, one that is as close this is humanly possible that you can
• 1:02:55
  get to those people actually saying those those reviews that
• 1:02:58
  is, that is hilarious, man, and that's incredible.
• 1:03:00
  Part of it was because my, my wife when, when I, when I wrote
• 1:03:04
  Bitcoin evangelism, she wasn't, she wasn't worried about that.
• 1:03:07
  I mean, she didn't even know if it was going to sell many books
• 1:03:09
  or anything like that. And so her concern was like,
• 1:03:12
  wow, you know, OK, that's, that's great.
• 1:03:14
  A book about helping people understand Bitcoin.
• 1:03:17
  That's, that's, that's not going to put you in the, the
• 1:03:19
  crosshairs of the powers that be.
• 1:03:22
  But writing a book like parallel that might, that might put us in
• 1:03:25
  a position where where we're targeted by people that we don't
• 1:03:27
  want to be targeted by. And so to me, putting those, the
• 1:03:31
  reviews of dictators and tyrants on the back saying that they
• 1:03:34
  don't like the book to me was kind of like a 4D chess move.
• 1:03:37
  Because if Elizabeth Warren comes out and starts trashing
• 1:03:40
  parallel or starts trashing the parallel economy, then I can
• 1:03:44
  just be like, well, that's right, because tyrants hate this
• 1:03:46
  book like like they give it. It's a poor review.
• 1:03:48
  So if you're a tyrant, then of course you hate this.
• 1:03:51
  And so that was that was kind of like a preemptive pre strike is
• 1:03:55
  if you're going to come out against the book, then then
• 1:03:57
  you're in good company. Absolutely, man.
• 1:03:59
  Absolutely love it. Anyway, there's a 5D chess
• 1:04:02
  movement. Bro gotta.
• 1:04:04
  Get up. I was gonna, I was gonna pivot.
• 1:04:06
  Yeah, let's, let's, let's, let's talk about the orange palapa.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, OK. And.
• 1:04:11
  All right, so I know you want to talk about one thing in
• 1:04:14
  specific, Brian, but there was a comment in the beginning and I
• 1:04:17
  know you guys always get the same feedback is why is an
• 1:04:21
  orange pill app free? And so to, you know, hit the
• 1:04:25
  elephant in the room. And for the audience that asks
• 1:04:27
  for it, why do they have to pay to get on orange pill app?
• 1:04:31
  That is the greatest question in the world.
• 1:04:33
  And and there's a really simple answer.
• 1:04:35
  It's the the age-old adage of and Bitcoiners, you understand
• 1:04:40
  this and once it's brought up, they're like, ah, yes, I get it.
• 1:04:43
  If something's free, then you're the product.
• 1:04:46
  If you pay for something, then it's the product.
• 1:04:48
  So an orange pill app, you pay for the app and we're the
• 1:04:51
  product. We're, we're, we're at your beck
• 1:04:54
  and call. When you use Twitter or when you
• 1:04:58
  use Facebook, then it looks free, but there's a tremendous
• 1:05:01
  hidden cost. We ran a study Facebook, they
• 1:05:05
  sell about, I think it's $32 of your data per month.
• 1:05:10
  So that's the inherent cost of Facebook is about $32 a month of
• 1:05:14
  your data. I think Twitter is less.
• 1:05:16
  I think something Twitter somewhere in the ballpark of
• 1:05:18
  $12.00 per month is what it sells of your data.
• 1:05:21
  So those apps certainly aren't free.
• 1:05:23
  But like Bitcoin mining where the fees are upfront and
• 1:05:27
  transparent, that's how Orange Pill app operates as well.
• 1:05:30
  The Bitcoin network isn't free. It's not free to send money
• 1:05:33
  across Bitcoin. Why do you think bitcoiners
• 1:05:35
  complain about network fees all the time?
• 1:05:38
  Or it's time, it's time to consolidate our UTXOS because
• 1:05:40
  the fees are low. That's great.
• 1:05:42
  That's the beauty of Bitcoin is it's transparent and it's up
• 1:05:45
  front and you know exactly what you're getting into.
• 1:05:47
  And if you don't want to send Bitcoin that day, then don't
• 1:05:50
  send Bitcoin that day because maybe, yeah, the fee, the fees
• 1:05:52
  are high. But if it's worth it to you to
• 1:05:54
  send Bitcoin, then, then, then you go ahead and pay that fee.
• 1:05:57
  It's the opposite of Visa and MasterCard.
• 1:05:58
  Visa and MasterCard, they hide the fees, they collude and all
• 1:06:01
  that kind of stuff. That's the Fiat mindset, just
• 1:06:03
  like Twitter and Facebook hide their fees.
• 1:06:06
  And then that's the Fiat mindset of social media.
• 1:06:08
  Well, well, well, the the members of Orange Pill app, they
• 1:06:12
  know exactly up front what what they're getting and what they
• 1:06:15
  pay for. And so it's just a few bucks a
• 1:06:18
  month. You can pay in sats and have a
• 1:06:20
  lifetime membership if you want. That's, that's my preferred
• 1:06:23
  method. That's what that's what I do.
• 1:06:24
  Because then you kind of pay and, and you can forget about
• 1:06:26
  it. But that's also part of the
• 1:06:27
  magic sauce where or excuse me, Nico talks about the, the
• 1:06:31
  filtration system. We have a few elements that help
• 1:06:34
  us sift out the crypto noise and and the scammers and the
• 1:06:38
  spammers and the bots. But because there's a, a small
• 1:06:41
  paywall, it's pretty incredible how that filters out the noise.
• 1:06:45
  And so aside from it just being more transparent, a more Bitcoin
• 1:06:48
  ethos type of environment, it also is part of what filters it
• 1:06:53
  out and what keeps the, the ecosystem so high signal.
• 1:06:56
  So I, I tell people all the time, we're used to having a
• 1:06:59
  freemium model and everything like, why can't I use the app a
• 1:07:02
  little bit and then I'll pay for it later.
• 1:07:05
  Well, guess what, if we gave everybody even one day free of
• 1:07:08
  orange fill out, imagine how many spam messages would be sent
• 1:07:11
  from NFT guys in, in one day. The reason why you don't get NFT
• 1:07:15
  spam on orange fill out, you will not get it is because
• 1:07:18
  there's a paywall. And so as soon as you get into
• 1:07:20
  the app, you, you start to recognize like, wow, this is a
• 1:07:23
  different type of social networking experience and the
• 1:07:26
  member, the members on the app are, are completely different
• 1:07:29
  than any other type of environment you you deal with
• 1:07:32
  with online connections. 100%, I mean, 'cause if not, if you
• 1:07:36
  don't do that, like you're gonna get a, a Twitter situation where
• 1:07:40
  you're gonna get, you know, the, the you're gonna get a random
• 1:07:43
  message from a very attractive. Woman.
• 1:07:46
  Woman that says she likes me. Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  And she that she's saying that she's gonna send two Bitcoin or
• 1:07:51
  two Bitcoin if you send her one, right.
• 1:07:53
  So, yeah, I mean that that's like a way to that's what Elon
• 1:07:57
  should have done, but he did it right.
• 1:08:00
  And that's how you get rid of the bots because then it just
• 1:08:02
  becomes like totally economical to do it.
• 1:08:05
  And the only reason that they're able to do this is because they
• 1:08:07
  do it like on a mass scale and they just throw this massive
• 1:08:10
  like fishing net. But like, you know, it's not
• 1:08:13
  very economical if they have to do it like 1 by 1, especially if
• 1:08:16
  they have to pay for an account, like the whole economics get,
• 1:08:19
  you know, put on its head. So no, it's it's very clever and
• 1:08:22
  it's a very good experience. Like you, you'll like you'll
• 1:08:25
  pull it up and you know, you'll find fellow bitcoiners that are
• 1:08:29
  near you and it's it's clean. Like you.
• 1:08:32
  You won't find like, like what? You know what Opti was saying?
• 1:08:36
  Like he won't find like the random Asian attractive Asian
• 1:08:39
  woman. Like maybe there is one on the
• 1:08:41
  app. I'm not saying there isn't, but
• 1:08:43
  you won't find the scammer kind anyways.
• 1:08:50
  Or Asian girls that are like cute and actually on orange
• 1:08:53
  collab actually. Real people.
• 1:08:58
  Nico, let's pivot this conversation a little bit
• 1:09:00
  because I know Brian wants to hit on something very important
• 1:09:02
  for the orange collab. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull up
• 1:09:05
  your your QR code here from your Twitter.
• 1:09:08
  But I want you to touch on the idea that you were mentioning
• 1:09:11
  earlier about Orange Pill App being the official social app
• 1:09:15
  for Bitcoin Nashville 2024. Yeah, no, this is this super
• 1:09:19
  exciting news. We just announced it this week.
• 1:09:22
  But for anybody who's going to Bitcoin Nashville, you this, we
• 1:09:26
  are the official social app of Bitcoin Nashville.
• 1:09:29
  So the reason why this is such a simple integration is because
• 1:09:34
  when you show up, and I don't know if anybody in Miami or at
• 1:09:37
  any of the conferences has had orange Palap, when you show up,
• 1:09:41
  it is so cool because when your feed, it's not people's post,
• 1:09:44
  your feed is bitcoiners that are near you.
• 1:09:48
  And so when you swipe up and you're scrolling through people
• 1:09:51
  and you see Nico and you see Opti and you see Breedlove and
• 1:09:54
  you see Natalie Brunell, these are all real Bitcoiners that
• 1:09:57
  you're in the general vicinity of that you can reach out to.
• 1:09:59
  So, and beyond that, beyond just being able to find individual
• 1:10:04
  Bitcoiners that are near you, you can find all of the Bitcoin
• 1:10:07
  events. We're the biggest repository in
• 1:10:09
  the world for Bitcoin only events.
• 1:10:11
  And that's, that can't be understated how important that
• 1:10:14
  is meetup.com and, and all of these resources for quote, UN
• 1:10:18
  quote Bitcoin events, man, 50% of the time you're going to go
• 1:10:21
  and then you're going to hear a web 3 presentation at one of
• 1:10:24
  these, at one of these Bitcoin meet ups.
• 1:10:26
  And it's so frustrating and you feel like you wasted your time.
• 1:10:29
  But there is, we also have a filtration process for our
• 1:10:32
  Bitcoin only event. So when you go to Bitcoin
• 1:10:35
  Nashville, you can find all the after hours type of stuff.
• 1:10:40
  And this is one of the things where I, I think a lot of
• 1:10:42
  people, if they're going into their first conference or if
• 1:10:45
  they don't know any Bitcoiners in the industry yet, they're
• 1:10:47
  like, man, I'm going to go to the conference from from 9:00 to
• 1:10:50
  5:00 and I've got that day planned out.
• 1:10:52
  But what do I do after 5:00? Where are the events?
• 1:10:55
  Where's the Satoshi Rockamoto event or where is just a meet up
• 1:10:59
  with a few plebs for drinks? Or where's the, the, the, you
• 1:11:03
  know, the guys that are going to go play pickleball or they're
• 1:11:05
  going to go and roll and do jiu jitsu.
• 1:11:07
  All of those things people will go find while they're on
• 1:11:11
  vacation. There's going to be an early
• 1:11:12
  morning workout for Bitcoiners. Great.
• 1:11:15
  You can go do that before the conference and you can find it
• 1:11:17
  through orange pill app. So it's a way you might not be,
• 1:11:21
  you might not be like a Michael Saylor, right?
• 1:11:24
  That guy's got everything booked out for after the conference,
• 1:11:27
  before the conference and everywhere in between.
• 1:11:29
  But the regular plebs when we show up, we might not know what
• 1:11:32
  to do Orange Palap is a really, really robust solution for all
• 1:11:36
  of that. And it's it, it gives you like
• 1:11:38
  the Michael Saylor experience when you go to a Bitcoin
• 1:11:41
  Nashville type of conference. And so you know what, I've, I've
• 1:11:44
  had a bunch of people reaching out to me probably over the last
• 1:11:47
  couple months just asking like, Hey, how do I get started?
• 1:11:50
  You know, working in Bitcoin? I tell them the number one thing
• 1:11:53
  to do is to show up to Bitcoin conferences, to Bitcoin meet ups
• 1:11:58
  to, to, to meet other Bitcoiners in real life.
• 1:12:00
  So whether you're just trying to get more connected because you
• 1:12:03
  want more Bitcoin friends or you're trying to kind of make
• 1:12:07
  networking connections for, you know, you you want to work in
• 1:12:10
  Bitcoin full time or you want to, you know, have a part time
• 1:12:12
  gig in Bitcoin, showing up to conferences, but especially
• 1:12:16
  those after hours meet ups and parties.
• 1:12:20
  That kind of stuff is the way that you would get ingrained
• 1:12:22
  into the industry because somebody shook your hand,
• 1:12:25
  somebody looked you in the eye, somebody gave you a hug, a pat
• 1:12:27
  on the back. All of those things are far more
• 1:12:31
  deep and important and ingratiating than just talking
• 1:12:35
  to somebody through a camera or just talking to somebody through
• 1:12:37
  text. So I cannot overstayed enough
• 1:12:41
  how important it is to get out and make real life connections.
• 1:12:44
  And Orangeville app is literally your tool to do that all the
• 1:12:48
  time. But especially at A at a big
• 1:12:50
  event like Bitcoin Nashville, it makes your experience so much
• 1:12:53
  better, so much more rewarding. I totally agree, Brian and I, I
• 1:12:57
  just want to jump in a little. Bit yeah, I.
• 1:12:59
  Want to, I want to jump in on that because like Nico and I
• 1:13:02
  have experienced this and and I, I cannot emphasize on this show
• 1:13:07
  enough like having connections with Bitcoiners on the Internet
• 1:13:11
  is great and all, but when you take them into meet space,
• 1:13:14
  that's when like the, the real friendships and and maybe even
• 1:13:19
  like the family you choose really takes hold.
• 1:13:22
  Like, I have a lot of friends from Bitcoin that I met on
• 1:13:25
  Twitter, and now I literally consider them family and I know
• 1:13:29
  I'm going to be with them for a long time.
• 1:13:30
  And we can't overemphasize how important it is to take your
• 1:13:34
  relationships off the Internet and meet them in real life.
• 1:13:37
  It's like one of the most important aspects of being a bit
• 1:13:40
  coiner is building these communities in real life. 100%
• 1:13:44
  Like, you know, Opti and I have a very similar story, like when
• 1:13:47
  we met each other for the first time, shout out Surfer Jim, that
• 1:13:50
  convinced us to go to bit block Boom.
• 1:13:52
  And then many, many years later, no, a couple years later, like
• 1:13:55
  two or three years later, Fast forward, we're doing the
• 1:13:57
  production for them, right? So like those are the types of
• 1:14:00
  things that happened that wouldn't have happened if it
• 1:14:03
  wasn't for our initial meet and meet space the first time,
• 1:14:06
  right? So yes, in person events are
• 1:14:08
  absolutely amazing. And the Orange Palap is a great
• 1:14:12
  resource for you. And I know a lot of you guys are
• 1:14:14
  going to Nashville. So just download the Orange
• 1:14:16
  Palap, scan the QR code. The link is also in the video
• 1:14:20
  slash podcast description. Brian, seems like you wanted to
• 1:14:23
  say something. Well, yeah, I mean, all I was
• 1:14:25
  going to say was people, people have have told me like man,
• 1:14:28
  simply Bitcoin just just talks about Orange Pill app all the
• 1:14:31
  time. Yes, Orange Pill app is the
• 1:14:33
  sponsor of the show. But guys, it's because this is a
• 1:14:36
  huge idea, like the the value of the Bitcoin network.
• 1:14:39
  I'm going to say something kind of inflammatory without
• 1:14:41
  Bitcoiners, Bitcoin isn't anything like you need to have
• 1:14:45
  bitcoiners in order to make Bitcoin relevant and important.
• 1:14:48
  And so the the social connections, the the person to
• 1:14:51
  person connections of Bitcoin are really important.
• 1:14:54
  Like how big of a tragedy tragedy would it be if you know
• 1:14:58
  and it looks like you know, the things are changing, the Overton
• 1:15:01
  windows changing and and things aren't going to be like this.
• 1:15:02
  But like, what if you just stack sat, you're a hermit, you're a
• 1:15:06
  Bitcoin hermit, you stack sat and you have, you know, 10
• 1:15:09
  bitcoins someday. But then the day comes where
• 1:15:12
  like CBDC's are everywhere and you don't have any Bitcoin
• 1:15:16
  connections, right? Like you don't have anywhere to
• 1:15:17
  spend your Bitcoin. There's there's no exchanges
• 1:15:19
  that will cash your Bitcoin back into Fiat or anything like that.
• 1:15:23
  Like you've done all this time stacking, but then you kind of
• 1:15:26
  like missed the boat because there's nowhere to use to use
• 1:15:29
  that, that, that Bitcoin, right? And so whether it's like the
• 1:15:31
  really dark type of future like that or it's the really bright
• 1:15:35
  future, I think that we all think is going to happen.
• 1:15:37
  It's like, how, like, how awesome would it be when Bitcoin
• 1:15:41
  wins in the future and you have all these Bitcoin connections,
• 1:15:45
  you're, you're, you're extra connected in an industry, in a,
• 1:15:49
  in an industry where the rising tide lifted all boats.
• 1:15:52
  And not only did it lift your stack, it lifted your influence,
• 1:15:55
  It lifted your ability to have connections for your family.
• 1:15:58
  And, and why do you know, why do Soros and, and, and guys like
• 1:16:02
  that, like why did those people who we deem as as evil, why do
• 1:16:06
  they have so much power? It's not just because they have
• 1:16:08
  money, it's because they have they have connections.
• 1:16:11
  And so the way that we battle that type of really negative
• 1:16:14
  influence in the world is by building.
• 1:16:17
  That's why we talked about this a lot in the book.
• 1:16:19
  Parallel is building parallel systems of social connections
• 1:16:23
  like Soros and Bill Gates and all those guys.
• 1:16:26
  They have all sorts of power because they have all sorts of
• 1:16:28
  people who will listen to them because maybe the influence of
• 1:16:31
  their money, but the the type of social clout that they have.
• 1:16:33
  Well, guess what? That's how we combat this.
• 1:16:35
  We, we combat this with a really positive, very fun social
• 1:16:40
  engagement and we get to go party together, We get to go, we
• 1:16:42
  get to go share stories and have fun.
• 1:16:44
  But while we're doing that, we're literally fighting a
• 1:16:47
  revolution by doing that. Every Bitcoin that you connect
• 1:16:50
  with is like a shot fired in this revolution.
• 1:16:54
  And it's, it's peaceful, but you get to have fun doing it.
• 1:16:57
  And every time we do that, it's a vote.
• 1:16:59
  It's, it's, it's taking away from the existing status quo.
• 1:17:02
  So this isn't a small idea. This is like a really freaking
• 1:17:05
  big idea. The more that Bitcoiners
• 1:17:07
  connect, the closer we get to hyper Bitcoiners, so that that
• 1:17:11
  really can't be overstated. I love it.
• 1:17:14
  Like dude, man. Bitcoin or nepotism?
• 1:17:17
  Good. It's, it's really like winning
• 1:17:20
  over the hearts and minds of people like it.
• 1:17:22
  And it boils down to individuals really taking the orange pill
• 1:17:26
  like, no pun intended. So like it really like that's
• 1:17:32
  the whole point of this. And there's a human element to
• 1:17:36
  that. There's a meat space element to
• 1:17:38
  that. And I think that's, you know,
• 1:17:41
  orange pill apps, we say this every day.
• 1:17:43
  And another thing also, 'cause I saw someone talk about sponsors
• 1:17:45
  in the chat, guys, we're extremely picky with who we
• 1:17:49
  like. If we were to take shit coin
• 1:17:51
  like money at this point, I think Opti would have a golden
• 1:17:55
  yacht in the Caribbean. No, we, we're very picky on who
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  we partner with and we strictly partner with like Bitcoin only
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  companies that adhere to our ethos.
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  Like we, we really believe that and we stick to that.
• 1:18:10
  So anyways, all that being said, Brian, man, I'm just, I'm a huge
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  fan and I've seen the, the work that you guys have done over
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  this last couple months and how far the app has come.
• 1:18:21
  And I remember when you guys rolled out dark mode super fan
• 1:18:25
  simply Bitcoin has a group chat. Also the the groups thing was
• 1:18:28
  really cool that you guys rolled this out.
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  And now I'm hearing that the event that you guys are
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  coordinating with Bitcoin magazine.
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  And I'm looking forward to that because that's the thing that I
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  see at every conference every single time.
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  Like, like, what is there to do tonight?
• 1:18:40
  Like what is there to do? Now there's a resource.
• 1:18:43
  You literally, you know, you download this app by Bing bada
• 1:18:45
  boom, and there you go, you know.
• 1:18:48
  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's so cool being able to do the things that
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  you love with Bitcoiners. When I went to Bitcoin Miami
• 1:18:54
  last year, I found four guys that like to do jujitsu.
• 1:18:58
  And so we went, we found a local gym and we asked the guy if we
• 1:19:01
  could pay our. This guy's never heard, I mean,
• 1:19:04
  he's heard of Bitcoin. He's never accepted Bitcoin, but
• 1:19:06
  we got him to download a Lightning wallet and we all paid
• 1:19:09
  our our gym fees in Bitcoin. So we got to like advance the
• 1:19:12
  Bitcoin gospel while we I got to meet, it was 2 new guys.
• 1:19:15
  I had one buddy with me. We had two new guys that I met
• 1:19:18
  through Orangeville app that came and did jiu jitsu at, at
• 1:19:22
  some some dudes gym and we got the orange film a little bit.
• 1:19:26
  I've heard people, yeah, say the same thing about doing other
• 1:19:28
  sports or like I said, early morning workouts.
• 1:19:30
  The the kind of random social connections that we get is is so
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  rad. I've had two guys.
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  I trained a bunch of people out of my house every week in jiu
• 1:19:40
  jitsu as well, and I've had two guys from Orangeville app in the
• 1:19:42
  last couple weeks show up. So I literally have more real
• 1:19:45
  life friends because of the the Bitcoin connections.
• 1:19:48
  These aren't just people that are like ideological friends or
• 1:19:52
  they're not just people that kind of share my perspective
• 1:19:54
  that are somewhere in the world. These are people, like you said
• 1:19:57
  in the meet space that I'm that I'm, you know, they're able to
• 1:20:01
  call if, if, if something goes down, these guys are literally
• 1:20:04
  just a call or a message away because they're my actual in
• 1:20:08
  real life friends. That that is so cool.
• 1:20:11
  I, I, what I've been in Bitcoin for 10 years.
• 1:20:13
  This thing, this type of tool did not exist.
• 1:20:18
  And so my early years of Bitcoin.
• 1:20:21
  I, I, I went wayward, right? And that's why I think that a
• 1:20:23
  lot of Bitcoiners from back in the day went into the altcoin
• 1:20:26
  space and stuff like that is because we didn't have a lot of
• 1:20:28
  high signal friends. We were just going by what we
• 1:20:30
  were reading online and we didn't have a lot of stuff to
• 1:20:32
  ground us. But when you have in real life
• 1:20:34
  Bitcoin friends, I don't think we're going to see the same type
• 1:20:37
  of ICO Bitcoiners, you know, running for, for things like
• 1:20:41
  Ethereum and stuff like that. Because we have enough signal
• 1:20:44
  around us now, because we have enough, enough real life
• 1:20:47
  connections to to keep us, you know, on the straight and
• 1:20:50
  narrow. Amen.
• 1:20:51
  Amen. Actually.
• 1:20:52
  Can I, can I jump on on that note because I literally said
• 1:20:54
  that this morning to my buddy Jill Rogers.
• 1:20:57
  He does the physical Zine at Bitcoin Magazine.
• 1:20:59
  And I'm like everything I do now, I literally just think of
• 1:21:03
  like my friends in real life. And I'm like, am I going, am I
• 1:21:05
  lost in the sauce or will my friends keep me in check?
• 1:21:08
  And he's like, I totally agree. Like that's, that's the
• 1:21:11
  importance of what we're doing here anyways.
• 1:21:14
  Last two sats, Brian, life advice, orange pill advice,
• 1:21:18
  parallel plug. What's the last message you want
• 1:21:21
  to leave with the audience? Well, guys, yeah, I mean, if you
• 1:21:24
  want to go, you know, sign up at Orange Pill app, it's just
• 1:21:27
  Orange Pill app.com. You can you can sign up for a
• 1:21:29
  personal account. If you're a brick and mortar
• 1:21:31
  business, by all means, please sign up your business.
• 1:21:33
  You can help, you know, have local bitcoiners find you.
• 1:21:37
  There's an easy way to accept Bitcoin for the first time ever.
• 1:21:40
  There's just a really easy integrated way through Orange
• 1:21:42
  Pill app. If you if you have a business,
• 1:21:45
  you know what? I my Barber, I found him through
• 1:21:47
  orange Bell app. It's just a good way to start
• 1:21:49
  stirring up the parallel economy.
• 1:21:51
  My my advice for people, if you want to get inspired for for the
• 1:21:55
  parallel economy, go, go read parallel.
• 1:21:58
  But here's here's a little tidbit.
• 1:22:01
  A lot of Bitcoiners, they're like, screw that.
• 1:22:03
  I'm not spending my Bitcoin. I I love the idea of the
• 1:22:06
  parallel economy, but I'm not spending.
• 1:22:08
  I'm hodling only That's fine. Go ahead.
• 1:22:11
  Do you just start accepting Bitcoin?
• 1:22:14
  You provide value to the marketplace.
• 1:22:16
  I don't know whether your computer program, your alignment
• 1:22:19
  or whatever you have, whatever skill you have, there's somebody
• 1:22:22
  that's paying you Fiat for it. That means that there's also
• 1:22:25
  somebody that's willing to pay you in Bitcoin for it.
• 1:22:28
  So just start accepting Bitcoin. That's that's step one.
• 1:22:30
  It's a crawl, walk, crawl, walk, run type of thing.
• 1:22:34
  And if we just get more people accepting Bitcoin, that means
• 1:22:37
  that that's stage one of the parallel economy and that's all
• 1:22:41
  we need. So you don't have to worry sorry
• 1:22:42
  about losing any of your Sats. If anything, you're gonna you're
• 1:22:45
  only going to accrue more Sats. And that does, I mean
• 1:22:50
  unfathomable good for the building of the parallel
• 1:22:53
  economy. Amen.
• 1:22:55
  Amen to that, bro. Oof, oof, Brian.
• 1:22:58
  Dropping, dropping hot fire, guys, one more of these, more of
• 1:23:01
  these bits. Go check out his book Parallel.
• 1:23:05
  And man, Brian, I always enjoy it when you come on the show and
• 1:23:09
  appreciate it, dude. Thank you.
• 1:23:11
  Likewise, my friends. Thank you man.
• 1:23:13
  All right guys, that was the Simply Bitcoin live episode for
• 1:23:16
  June 12th, 2024. I'm your host Nico.
• 1:23:19
  It's my legendary Co host Optimus Fields and our guest for
• 1:23:22
  today, Brian De Mint. So guys go check out his work.
• 1:23:26
  Huge fan and seems like you guys really enjoy these types of
• 1:23:29
  episodes. Currently 1800 live viewers.
• 1:23:32
  Another 50-60 of you guys watching live on Rumble.
• 1:23:36
  So we're going to be doing these every month and we're going to
• 1:23:38
  just change it and compare and contrast the insanity that is
• 1:23:42
  saving for retirement in the Fiat system versus saving for
• 1:23:46
  retirement in Bitcoin. So looking forward to those
• 1:23:49
  episodes. We're going to give you keep
• 1:23:50
  giving you guys what you guys want, right?
• 1:23:52
  Anyways guys, love you all. You guys can retire in four
• 1:23:55
  months. Love you all and we'll see you
• 1:23:57
  tomorrow for another episode of Simply Bitcoin Live.
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