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Benoît Paré: Die Wahrheit aus dem Donbass – Was westliche Medien verschweigen · Gegen den Strom

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  Static stick shot that seven g two prozent of the victims of
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  shining and dombus between two than sixty and two than
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  nineteen. We're on the secretiside in
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  overtimes calls by you crane for me, there was a before on a
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  nafter because ones you read this dokument and that you
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  accept. That it is true and just
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  completely how you perseve the war in Dombus and the war in you
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  crane as be see now so that's III spend time refrain to it
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  because for me is documental to. On to stand how everything Start
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  it and if you think start it with a falls flag.
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  Attack also. Most cinical kind there we're
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  ready to saprify the allm supporters to create a massive
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  scandal that we in the end ultimate lee and up with the
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  disnistel of the adictive resident janukovic and i's get
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  what all to interested to digin to it to.
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  Like a pearl mine, what there's legitimated not you know and i
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  have brief them on what it was about we know up of of santans
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  is so he new what it was about and one's us can we're a
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  interestit to dagin to it he's have we'll know he to change to
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  many things so this is when i on this do it you can not trust
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  mainstream press. Gegen den Strom.
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  Zur Person Hallo bei gegen den Strom.
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  Ich zeige Ihnen Positionen und Perspektiven, welche die
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  Propagandamedien verschweigen. Mein heutiger Gast war
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  Beobachter der Organisation für Entwicklung und Zusammenarbeit
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  in Europa im Donbass im Kriegsgebiet, und zwar in den
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  Jahren 2015 bis 2022. Er hat darüber ein Buch
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  geschrieben, dieses Buch What I Saw in Ukraine und was Ben
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  Roupere dort gesehen hat, unterscheidet sich erheblich von
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  dem, was uns die Presse hierzulande erzählt.
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  Welcome ben roupere when did you feel when did you find out that
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  the media generative is completely different to the
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  situation on the ground? To kind of by to Crane.
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  Years. I what's it wasly from two
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  thoundsixteen two thousand sixteen for me is a key year
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  because was is the year a fund and you red the study from Ivan
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  katjanowski this University professor of a University of
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  orawa in kanada, he's a ukenion. National Initialy and he acrity
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  studed all the videos he would find about the events around
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  that. We Call the maydan Massaker
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  Ritchel carb between nineteen nineteen fabery two was on
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  forteen this is where the hol crisis that we now still CM
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  folding started. That's the made and q now in the
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  weston media, but then it was presented as a romantic
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  revolution of the united, you can in people against the nasty
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  correpted proversion president and you know i don't have anity
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  of the explonation to arounds to have to think of awise and till
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  i. Like to the a found this study
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  from ivan kachanovski first, i soit from amultical in sputnik,
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  you know this version newspaper with is not for bit and in
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  europe and because when i was what can with the AC we have
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  press digest don't by all mission every day so everyone i
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  studed my day by. Basically going two the hitlines
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  of the the press agest and just with you will down because we
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  had we've a covering the you can in press of cours, but nonely we
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  will also covering the version press and the separites press as
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  well as some of the nature press outlets in the in the Weston
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  wild. But was Mosley as a you crane,
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  russian and seprities so this is where a fund analtical of about
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  this study of evankatianoski insputnik, but you know i was
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  train I'm in we will all like train in the west to think that
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  everything that coms from Russia is propaganda so of corse i have
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  to go to resource so but he quickly i'm manage to get the a
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  hold of the. Physis of Evankatianoski.
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  That with i downloaded from the website of the university of
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  order, we're that i was a bit intim date it by it because was
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  seventy two pages long plus it trilight a porn or series of
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  videos, which i that time and we're can about i think it was
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  fall olton two thousand and sefifteen one i discovered bis
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  dokument. And Phase I.
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  Recall of the. Videos we're not translate it
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  into english. We're not we're not suppited
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  that we're in original language you they're rashion of you crane
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  it so i'll like. Could.
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  Ont jurge the primer resource to have a bad opinion about.
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  We're there was is red iable in not what the study was rel iable
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  in not so i'll have a ontime beforite for the dagin to it i
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  red the introduction and then the concusion.
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  But evan do it was like dramatic interms of the it's conclusion.
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  I was still not convens because i did it know, we're there it
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  was genuin so i have to wate as i set and til i was a signed to
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  mayopel i was what because i want, i was a son to mayopel so
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  i'm how a sonporn i have some time to look in to it and i us
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  some of the intoperiters that i had.
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  With the AC two. Translates I'm in to verified
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  song key videos that catanovski have referted to just to devel
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  shike that the transition was correct and the interperters
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  confirm to me that the interpation was correct so that
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  will phone that moment on I've not ok.
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  I can't rid the hole thing and make up my allmight i would
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  which i it and then it was basicly.
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  For me, there was a before on an after because one's you read
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  this dokument and that you akzept that it is true, then
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  then just completely how you percive the the war in Dombas
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  and the war in you crane as be see now so that's II spend time
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  refrain to it that was for me this dokument is von the mental
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  to understand how everything start it, and if you think start
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  it with a falls flag attack. Also.
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  Moscinical Kind right as basical what it mains is that the
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  opposition that who x ackly remains to be found discovered
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  some they, but in or we have some piddy good idea and that
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  the people we're controlling different buildings opposition
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  people there we're really to sacrify the allm supporters to
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  create a massive scandal that in the end ultimate lee.
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  And up with the dismissle of the elecit president janukovic so
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  that you's sinity this people but kiding.
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  Them. Hoping this with never be
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  discovered, but you know when you look for some things and and
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  what you're have a you're gifty like katjanowski we're you can
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  find the truth and he demonstrated what happent and
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  i've have one a order my kollegs after what's to have a look in
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  to it. I this kolleg of mine have a
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  long terrier win the italian police that's say and after he
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  red the holphesis he't know this is like police investigation and
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  this is a demonstration that is no i'm an you know you present
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  that in cord, I'm an nomely you win the case you know so
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  forhamed was very conlinsing at problem is that.
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  No Major Media outlist in the West and world at the Mansion.
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  This dokument it's totally tabu of courers because it changes
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  with all narrative if you if you think it's a tonk count and i
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  can't get about that at sompoint i have a chance to meet a
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  journalist. A French journalist of the
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  mainstream media in Ukraine and I mansion.
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  The this dokument to him and i's can well on to interested to
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  dagin to it to mic a pearl mine. We there's legitimate on not you
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  know and i have brief them on what it was about right, they're
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  you know up of santans is so he new what it was about and one's
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  askin well i interested to dagin to it he's that we'll no it to
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  change to many things so this is when out is do it you can not.
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  Trust Mainstream Press and I'm talking about a newspaper that
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  is higgy regoded in in my contry in France as or a paper of
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  referance this on lead at three national newspapers in France.
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  I'm know the three i was ask by this person and who in to just
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  me to this journalist not to mentoring he's name and i don't
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  not to in barasin for live so. As a matter respekt for this
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  friend who win to just us, i is i do not to manture the name of
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  the person that is one there is just paper is is a taking me, i
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  will reveal the name and so but so for are perferting no me like
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  that perferting no catanosty no this is call the emestry media
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  word what you can out you know justing Noah this is hi word.
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  So if that's then so to your question when i realized.
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  Just and one one your later you showed up one your later you
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  showed up in the donbus and what was your first experience what
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  it you see II trid. I shot up in the donbus befor
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  that II Andy dup in youkrane in July to fast and fifteen.
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  A start it to we can don't bus from first of August two
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  thousandtifteen first in donezk for i initial training for i two
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  x and then i was deploy to cramators for one here and from
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  cramators guy wasable two also to visit a golof go the novh and
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  part of the dpr because i's some twent we to call that part and
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  we will going that on the rotation this is.
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  That i'm going to mayopol for two years and four mons.
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  The Samen mayopol i have a sovalcation the chance to visit
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  the seven part of the the nest before Republic and then i was
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  reasign to at on mion that my on the nitative i're a sign to do
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  guns we'guns go blast do guns city to see what it was of the
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  there and the aval blast and on the oboside of we line of
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  contact on the long it turn basis.
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  And also have a chance to travel in the lugon score blass on
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  yovaside as wed in sevador Donezk couple of Times also in
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  Stanis hallo honska because you know that was a pedestian bridge
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  bike dan that be would us also IC observers and to monitor what
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  was going on there, so what BCK Justinus briefly all the.
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  Different places of that I've see in dombas and when i was a
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  sign to was different places. I was going to love of a place i
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  probably visited ht percent of a villages in dombas that we're.
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  On the on of contact. Not that i new them all, but for
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  to be pot of them a special in the best donezco blast.
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  So we know when have a he've an news today, but was going on
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  this vidage we're staken destroit we're i will no all
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  this places. I then there i have memories in
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  the almost every single plays and many of is memories.
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  I'm Menschen in my book by the that so what was a question,
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  it's like this or reamnist. At just want to to hears
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  something about your first experiences in kramatorsk and
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  the blazes you visited you talk to a lot of lokals what that
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  that tell you. What you do that i tok to some
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  people a hundreds and i tok to we know i want to to i was
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  interesting in politics before i was deployed there in pribiscy
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  emissions, i was a jilling with a lokal nayers people in chard
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  of lokal governance, so i was all was interestit to tok to
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  this people because i realized like we're you understand
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  hallical governance works you understand a lot of but the
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  funktionab of a contry. And i was so you talk to people
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  are well connected and who know what's going on all the grown
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  and at the centimed on not at the central level.
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  It's vering to talk to be is people because that's the
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  ministers and they will tell you mo things that people of hi or
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  levels, so it's but it way to on the stand a contry i think and
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  all so I'll talk to i rage people because on on patrols we
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  was suppose to talk to i rage people.
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  It people you met in the street, it willgo.com to you.
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  I talk to also minity people soldiers checkpoint so when it
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  that i have a chance to a glance of information that what that
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  what like to us them in also what you can from what what you
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  they see you and all think i that to have a beta on the
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  standing, so when you talk to all this is an people also
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  lawers because that's some one i was for in court hearing so a
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  talk to mini lawers. Prosecuters as well jergies not
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  so match because we're like a bit hot to reach buts and yeah,
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  people from they're different professions and background so
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  what different people what tell the different things that from
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  all my trips all on the on of contact i would say the main
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  thing at i get it is that was that more people living in.
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  Dumbus. On the government control side,
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  you can in government control side of dumbus.
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  We're very much angry at the you kind and on forses if there was
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  one meditry fors at was perciv local as a nocupation fors it
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  was by far the you kind and on forses by far as no comparison
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  because then i went on the offerside on the dpo side lpo
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  side and the pipoli mit der checkpoint so lokos.
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  They'll people to live in the villition x door.
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  Or in the in the CT next door right all they're they're aniway
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  from dumbas the firvers you you go a part from the fupi policity
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  in the dpr i met oneguide one was from Odessa member for the
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  companies party there was an have a guide was from saporigio
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  blast, but every bad ASI talk to when oneguide was from Moldova
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  her member was bit volunteer from moldova, but every as i
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  talk to set they were from dombas.
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  And some times from the pot of dumbus still that was i trity
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  you can see all pupything that point of you by the you can in
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  meditry so like a met guys, so your somcromat or so this or
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  monopol that one they've actually the cities they
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  actually follow the DPR and meet man that for them that would not
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  see the realities for your so that was reality or this people.
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  That if you considered the sidelians, i talk to again from
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  my around myupol or the way to nov of the net near bachmut all
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  this people hate it, the you can and vitry I'm i wins it all.
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  But in my joity. I discriba a seen in my.
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  Book. He'll saval seen taktuity first
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  Time i visit it of village near, but on of contact near bachwood
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  the people we're so met at the you can and vitry it was
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  amazing. Because the minute you can and
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  minute we have thisideed to ok toy, the kind of godin in that
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  there you village with my the people mat because as that
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  you've can here it mains the kind of.
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  God on we're because of a dpi for.
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  As is and they we will shell the village and then if i shell the
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  School we all we all child and go to school on the in September
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  because that was in august just that copula we's befor a school
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  start it. So there we're there, we angry
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  and mat and then when i went to know a village in winter no for
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  the ness, same the people a raptid in in anger against for
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  you can in on forces when when they the sony because they
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  that's that for them that we're responsible of all if it's in
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  that win wong to that there is it they be have like a copition
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  forces, scaring everyone and know.
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  Because this loting house is distraining infrastrukture by
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  building trenchies then also one in idic dot finds transvested
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  and the soldier gun into the schoolbus with this gun to frit
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  in the kids, you know so people what there we shot by that and
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  think think in maliple there was a.
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  Checkpoint East, a mayople and all the people there in the on
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  this checkpoint because of this checkpoint if you're in kids to
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  go to school that have to go to a mility checkpoint and that
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  we're harest skins you know the soldiers with end of the bossis
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  and and basicy. Search everyone what if the the
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  h. From Kids to grand babushkas so
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  that like me people really angry.
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  And the soldiers, we're this equity train to belief.
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  That's you know all that people in donbus or traiters with be
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  terrorist so that they have to you know every buddy was a
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  specius so that that this a after a.
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  While you know thatwhat.com. Down have to be two x and then
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  that would be anover rotation and then the new cycle of i can
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  i see. I'm prob of the havia we're a
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  one's again, so it was a recaring event and i'm to get
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  about daddy lifestuff here and things that never mit at like
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  news I've in count and merch more cevers problems them that
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  that all this little things of daddy life what a contributing
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  to make people resent dpli that you kind and meditry.
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  But you would have a see that in and news paper artical because
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  you know that what no west and journalist that i know of that
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  they they're actually menschens of stories.
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  I have an inar reports it was not menschen and in we menschens
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  that things in apotal reports at the baselabel that because it
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  was consider to miner or just hearsay as we you know the
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  people from reporting with it all this is just hearsay what.
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  People say things we have no proof.
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  We're in of there to witness it so we can not us it so it does
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  on exist right, so there was so much information with have you
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  to to know what was going on what the people field, no it the
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  american's call that atmospherics when i was in
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  that's going to different contact you because they but the
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  american meditry hat. Created a little teams of
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  Civians they Call htt human terring team and i work with
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  them in that's going to stan and this htt human terring team was
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  supports to gather what they can atmospherics basicleed was a way
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  to measure the temperer or how the US trips isaaf the natal
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  trips what perced by a lokal population, the fortid was
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  important to the feenings of a lokal population.
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  Hi, that the was e complective the dimension the was see for
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  it. That's an matter, we're here to
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  check fact, not here say so all this dimension that have you tom
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  the stand what's going on but have you tom the sand what
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  people think what's totally ignored by the wase i think this
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  is one of a major flow of all missions that no is on the bill
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  was a well is not the mandate ok is not stricky in the Mandate.
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  That not think präventivers from you know doing, it's as well
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  it's that i think people are then you that if you do that you
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  will expos the fag that this this people din on like this
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  state of you're kind so and. You know we've would be against
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  the narrative that of the ration agration that you know what's
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  going on in dombass is just a ration agration that the dombass
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  people or just a waiting for the reberation of we you can you
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  know me you can in on for this of that there of free from the
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  evil rations you know this was the narrative, i'm not if and
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  carricate we're in this is not the carricate or i'm think now
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  some people really stateed that invos days some people if and b
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  that. I know you kind and people one
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  not from them bus. We're al's where i talk to them
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  something when we metin kiv and in dring seminar asisters and
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  sopiple really foglike not and he've toll them offerwise there
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  what tell you are you're bring wased because you have stock on
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  syndrom you know things that that they're what on hear the
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  truth, we're what do you don't want to hear it so many diddle
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  one to hear what went against there on beliefs.
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  When i investigated on the kind, for example, in mariupol in the
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  completely destroyed mariupol, here's later i herk the same
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  stories people blamed the ukraine up forces.
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  And they tod me, they have a talchert, they're a ditaneed and
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  all that what you see that this was a method of the ukraine
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  armed forces to supress people in donbas.
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  I want to. This supress people i some
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  people say they was a genoside i think for me genoside is a trong
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  woragride I'm what and you so what genoside the what happen
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  there. But tokin about a resting people
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  totering them well you deepance home, I'm and if you just do be
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  have nomally you don't tok about you political opinions you can
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  have you go to have the perfiting normal life in myople
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  you know life on the outside look perfiting normal if you on
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  a diding this politics or but if you on the one side of politics,
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  it was a totally diffon story so.
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  I know by talking to they're can people like people from the o
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  position blog. You know the main polical party
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  bombas that they in two from two thunfifteen you know i talk to
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  manial them and one i was in comatos because i was likeing on
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  the upcoming elections and they can not i'm in the candidate for
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  major in comatos could not of an rin as a candidate because he
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  credit code was bloged by the bank and venture as was going on
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  this air, we don't know. And then so my he's home her
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  well like to do if you step down from the can't do the see it for
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  the mega position and they be it will solve the problem and so he
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  step down and me regulus lee you know that a kreditkarte word so
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  and a wono was about that you know or now and then what i'm
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  want to mayople like to people in mayople and that's that i two
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  and two and sixteen i will all of seventeen see you know
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  sevention a contman but the year but the DTO in my books.
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  They tries that tri to argonies petitions like singator garing
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  on one of a main boulevard in comatos.
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  Oh sorry, monoco with tens and oh one they are tring to
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  defender or can lineway twinstance or logit time i don't
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  for what what we you was about but something related and me
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  know it was on the mat of minute befor we go to text by.
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  Last man destroyed the tent that it we're can in and then that.
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  Ich spreche mit Benoit Paré, dem Autor des Buches What I saw in
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  Ukraine Benoit Paré war Beobachter der Organisation für
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  Sicherheit und Zusammenarbeit in Europa im Donbass in den Jahren
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  2015 bis 2022 wir haben das Gespräch begonnen in Lissabon,
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  dort brach die Internetverbindung zusammen und
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  wir setzen es hier in Berlin fort.
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  Hello Bedwar Welcome back you talk to many things, you're tod
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  me a many things about your appearance in kramatosk what
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  that you see in kramatosk that was complete different for the
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  medianerative. We'll i riving kramatosk in
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  august two photo and two and it was still potitance on the on of
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  contact and was there is inspide of a mins regrement.
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  And and we're really quickly i joint unit, which was call the
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  human dimension unit with in the oac special monitoring Mission
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  in ukraine and as part of that unit, i was able to deal with
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  human rights easus that we're confanted with in in dombas.
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  But before i trudy getting into that's specific topic of I'm
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  enrise valations i can see that for a first to XI was a sign to
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  different patrol so long the lan of kontakt just to have to
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  discover the area and to i trudioal so patrol with it's
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  different patrol. Grup that we had in chromatos
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  because the base have for different patrol grup.
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  So II patrol with them all so that give me a chance to.
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  Discover village is a on the on of contactal of a the place and
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  from the very first patrol in this cramator scaria it was an
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  village of call dumifka remember i encountered I'm in we
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  encountered the patrol leader and i this, i was not the patrol
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  leader that they was the dipity patrol leader is a newcomer and
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  we discovered and just vidage for you mink cool dumifka on in
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  tens. Angor von the lokal inhabitons
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  against the you're kind of military because the you're kind
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  of military just movedin in the lokal kind of garden just to
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  just settle there and that made the lokal population they're up
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  set because they are frayed that from van on the lokation, the
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  viddage with be subject to shelling from the dpr side we me
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  meaning the dunast people's repubic side.
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  And then we had a diskussion with one woman who was liveing
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  there and he basicly sate. Well you know i have my sister
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  on there was side of the love of contact because we will like me
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  be can't clomid as way from the love of contact in bosdays in
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  this village rofly and just that you know we exchangelot when if
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  we a explosions in the area, we college of there and we traiters
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  this was going on. And he's that you know on that
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  we've ps go if he's have been going on for about the year, but
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  by then evan more and he's that now we think it outs hideworks
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  and a kinding to them the dynamic of a conflict was
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  there's that the you can in meditry what a shell almost
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  randomly on the of a side, we're us the gpr forces with what
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  shill aiming as specific militry targets.
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  Now that was not me sign that that was her they's on the
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  communication. She have get the onsister i
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  think just on the obside ok so you can see that just one person
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  supinion or two people supinions that that's an crate we know a
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  reality that is intensible this is a intensible and that you can
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  not contest but. For a first patrol, i realized
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  that be's was have you the against the annarity that we
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  with it with and to win in the west, which is that's the
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  conflict and don'bas was just a recion agrition right and all
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  was not on we have lokal people hotelers overwise so then bring
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  we when back to the base with my kolleg and i we or wondering we
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  what do we do with is testimity and.
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  My kolleg who was from one is tenyopan contry he was a
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  polisman by Training. He was still a polisman by the
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  tomic to he was just dedached in the in the OC mission and he'll
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  me you know what i have but experience tening the truth to a
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  year i've that's a one to hear it because it's going to
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  narrative you defense so. If we publish what we just Hirt,
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  I'm a frate we will get in to truble with a management.
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  A Management will bis you think was truble to was he's that I've
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  really been full that in my on contry and i don't want to
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  repeat that so i don't not one to report on so think so and i
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  was just in new comer and i i'm i're green with them ok, i
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  that's not report about it. This was all so i that we've
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  just one testimony you know you can a general is from one
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  testimony. We're what told the every
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  information you get on the grand has to be triangulate it as
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  we're what told ok so sins we we just have one just to mean it
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  that's for you know on the side and then we just we a road about
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  the fag that the lokal population we're angry at the
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  you can an minitry because the op i be can the garden that's
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  johnny think what we're the report no i don't know in the
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  public report we've that's renane no not because me know
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  all. People in the reporting section
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  qued at what well this is just people the pingion is not fat,
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  so this not public it. I don't know if it was have a
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  public. I Not II don't know to be frank
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  that this very first testimony, but i heard what i was it bombas
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  I'm in four years five years down the line i realize that how
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  is woman was and her sister we're i're very klaus to with
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  truth. Because the dynamics of the
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  company as i late to a discovered you have to your was
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  that indeed, the you can and meditry was shanning much more
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  and the seperties side and they will crasing many more severin
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  casuities and so seperties side, so that's some how reindicated
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  this statement from the first person i top two in in dombas so
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  that was we't just things in wolity ok, and then moving on to
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  the. All the part of my discovery of
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  area when i John the you'm in the mensch and in it what of my
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  first meetings was Hall with the journalist lokal journalist who
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  want it to see us to testify about thrats he was geting on
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  he's phone so we are ranged meeting in albase and he showdas
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  the messages of thrats and instals we was geting on he's
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  phone. I have an my interpator that
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  time refused to translate the message because he set it was
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  to. Route is and.
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  No, i Kind of translator it is to.
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  Route. It it's against my values to to
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  says of words so a bad you was shocked i can see in on a face
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  and and then the guy be think you told as well i was see be
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  scot of message is because there is a backram story behind it
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  he's at one here a go was kind up.
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  It in my house by people who i do don't know who they where my
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  was my wive witness my bing takan away and in or and my wive
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  do don't have news for sevil days and that doing three days.
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  I was get in the basement with the hot of my head striped
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  nakedthat.at shirt and so jack to torture not he did an on to
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  wing to details as we what kind of torture what we're some but
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  he striped naked you can the schön torture is.
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  Is link to sexualabuse right and sins is two fimiliating for men
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  to tokabut that deppers and not to tokabut it.
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  You know was the case is not i late to a found out from the
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  different sources, intuding icrc different trainings that i have
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  that in conflict that to the when you tokabut sexual valance,
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  you know the common belief in the west and world is that women
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  all the resictims that statisticial all the rise.
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  Man of the first victims in the conflict of the conflictims of
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  sexual virens because it's a rate to shumilate so rate to
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  destroy the selfies team of people and so ok, he was
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  objectic to that like so manyal the people and the frate anyways
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  and then you know or so what do's interesting about he's
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  testing and he that to was the end.
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  They pudder rifle in is end event that he's there as a hood
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  on he set. He did an see what they would
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  pudding is end that what a rifle in is end that ascamed to hold
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  the the gun and then this ok now we have you think it's on on the
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  webin so if you don't do as we're as we tell you we will
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  basic klee pudder file against you and you will be charge with
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  terrison and you will be pudding jail for the next following
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  here. And so and then he was that out
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  now a calling to him. He was like out because he's
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  wife that spread the miss it around that was her hasban hat
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  been kidnow and actually this test in one actuity was
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  confirmed event by kollegs of mind, we're working in nipro
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  because the guide we learn have to words itales you was think it
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  to nipro by the batalent god nipro one.
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  And one on your bitalian and late, we're have a noisey
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  college with confirm to go just we herd about this to we can
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  confirm about this case inuays so that was the first shiman
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  rise interview that i encountered and then this guy
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  expland we are so you know what i think we i would that vice you
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  to pay tenture and to the trial of a lokal Mayer what I'm the
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  media with and it's a setup the guy is setup so i would that
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  vice you to follow up and that case.
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  And so then i this, i they to follow this specificase about a
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  mayor and we's became and off a big part of my discovery of a
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  digitial system in in you crane in in or in dombas in this case
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  it to be more iterate and this was one of the i can i see lost
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  unplex cases I follow what i was in you crane and at the sametime
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  one of the most revealings about.
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  Hammed the Justice in you, Crane was a travesty of Justice, it
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  was theatre, it was scandalus onest and this kase we'ch i
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  followed on til the end because they was a repeat of the trial
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  in a peel and then there was a i've anacord of a peel after
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  they a peel that was a new trial of third trial.
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  That's start it. This them it was in mojoper and
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  i also for lot you know sevel hereings of that third trial and
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  was endless and the guy i'm talking about is teel on the tri
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  investigation in Ukraine, you can will he's get the conter
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  that that pudding in jal for about fears and because the guys
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  we i's connected he a manageto.com out and as phase i
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  know he's the i'm and he's one of the there we you people we on
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  the person in nombas but i know. Who was not sentens inspired of
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  two and trials. I think you was sentens in the
• 37:52
  first two trials to prison sentenses and then in the code
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  of focation in kive here to the god a jurgment that basifi brook
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  the jurgment, but that decision us for the trial to restart from
• 38:08
  start. So it was not decision that
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  madey minus and to was like kind of you know was as weared
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  decision so they're restad it was the trial from scratch
• 38:20
  because they cool on just and mit that they would be rong and
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  this guy what's was verring just in but this guy, it was, it's
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  was very kick you was blackmailed by the sbu he's that
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  it in the first instant court he us the judgis plus in my
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  computer. There because i have saved all
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  the a messages of frates, but i reseved and invos there's are
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  refused to look in the computer or they clan the that i was
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  dilited and know it's of course, it's it's it to it that i in the
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  a bio trial. The a acused the defened and
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  made the same please look in my computer because there is the
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  proof or they have that i was that up.
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  And I perfity. Remember See See think in the
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  courtroom back that and. The a jurd us the prosecutor
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  what what do you think about this clane from the defendant
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  that the or miss a jus of the as BU i'm and you but he'm say that
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  but miss a jus a frit in the that the defended reseves all
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  this is grandless we do the find find and the evidence of that so
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  i'm a gins the prosecut is i'm a gins take in the computer
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  because we belief is not think to be found and the jurd i was
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  the price because he is at it to.
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  Go against we're can you have a prosecute with was quin and user
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  that. Time in Dome.
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  Us and so they infun of the hole room there what they know what
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  was a giant screen they have the jurgis and they're but it would
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  see as live you know as the clurk what suching the computer
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  on the indications of the defended he just told in witch
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  file that would find the missages of frats and in the end
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  back for the show of this missages of frates on the
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  screen. And this message is we're proof
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  that the guy was right when he's it was blackmailed from the
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  start and and message is the show the you have in the phone
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  non brevit was us and the date and then the jurge and I'm in us
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  the prosecutor so what about this messages what you think of
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  that i'm in did you find this messages do you think we know me
• 40:25
  be you should investigate like who is phone no babylongs to and
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  the prosecutors that all no we don't think this is link of the
• 40:31
  case. We do don't think there is an
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  you need to go behind it was be to search who's behind this
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  phone number and that was the end of it and my entroperter
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  sitting like to me was there you projecranian it was one of you
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  was one of and was projecranian tiperters we had inchromitals
• 40:48
  and went you so all of this he's that all the kind of santance
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  inflat the santance is guy have to that it is not possible.
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  This is so avius that you was setup and and the hall case
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  shouldful down from what moment because basity of the case was
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  that the mistage is what telling him pay us some money.
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  All you will have. Trubles that you was it and then
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  there's an the never a segon message.
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  I've like you refuse to. Respont of a first one and then
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  the guy us people in the police who that's what number belong to
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  and the police told him this number belong to this the u red
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  and so it's obius when the judge us the prosecutor well was be
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  him that number for prosecutor insters well, that's not need to
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  log was behind it. This we know was behind it that
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  that we're not going to export this be you inform of every one,
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  so there's a on of as nothing this nothing there was nothing
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  to be found so that diny completely and your reson to
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  look behind it so and then you know inspide of a all of this
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  the guy i'm in the centers was confirmed one hundred prozent
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  every statement from the first instance court was confirmed in
• 42:07
  the peel. It as if you know the discovery
• 42:11
  of the frates again, the guy that that you was sit up going
• 42:14
  for nothing and that was no request from the jurge two and
• 42:17
  dastigate who was behind the frates, but just let it go and
• 42:22
  in this just the level of the absurdity of mokery of this, you
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  can just system you know and is just one case a monk twenty five
• 42:32
  cases that i follow. It on bus.
• 42:35
  And almost every single one of them was kindolus.
• 42:38
  Of what I so I'm in this in a no this trials that there we're
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  elements a song point what you us for so what we're in it this
• 42:46
  go's beyon comen this is kis defice common sands, this is
• 42:50
  defice distancey you know in in song kasees I'm int was so obius
• 42:54
  that the evidance was forgeed against the u q's, but it is an
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  change we're result there we're centers anyways so.
• 43:03
  Them in my discovery of you, Kind and digital System made me
• 43:07
  on the stand that the Hall System was coked, corrupted,
• 43:12
  moraly, corrupted financialy. Corrupted.
• 43:16
  This was not with you out of a democracy at all and what i son
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  comators iphone slavians and that i so in molupl multiple
• 43:26
  multiple times because this is in molupl that i tend it the mos
• 43:30
  herings. And then i was so with witness
• 43:33
  trials against mamers of the unforces of you crane you just
• 43:36
  you're the as of people in malipol who work kules of the
• 43:42
  most a serious crimes to just merrer torture all the things
• 43:47
  and from the information i good. One people was santons there,
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  we're santons to the very like santons is if and the
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  vacrisations going them was very seeers as i just sit you know, i
• 44:02
  don't discovered on oneguide, we was a kus of as of commander, he
• 44:06
  was a officer, he was a company commander back that in in a
• 44:10
  mojiple what he was aristed he was aristed for kidnapping some
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  jong in habitons who they acus of a.
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  Just gittings and that isideed to torture is young guys.
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  We're like 18 und 18 they're young and one of this young guys
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  just guide on the spot on there the tritment that this guys
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  we're imposing on him and there we're like three as of guys
• 44:34
  talting the guy and then one of the three we're for the one to
• 44:37
  for and he's at lois and guys we're going to for but the off
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  two of there's it don like it and this shot it.
• 44:44
  So they they want it, they don't connic who's that we when to for
• 44:47
  i killing AA guy a young guy just for doing druggerness
• 44:52
  gillings i'm and you can do again strip ginning but in a
• 44:55
  civiliz contry you don't kid in up people in the street and do
• 44:59
  you on just is you don't do street just in a civiliz contry
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  you don't do got you know demokrassing right so and.
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  Ok, so what there what jurgin Jury so AQ The Guide so in you
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  was this, the the story genau because the third guide who was
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  one it last. The complate again he's two
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  pharmacolics so they have to organizer trial basel that and.
• 45:27
  In this case, it was kollegs of wind who for up the trials, but
• 45:30
  things i have a coordinating funktion.
• 45:32
  I was like compiling all the different reports on
• 45:38
  courtierings that we have and i was budding that in the nexel
• 45:41
  tables and i was folling all the the trials we have it molible
• 45:44
  you've and was i don't personaly tend it i know it was going on
• 45:48
  because of the compilation of this that and in the end.
• 45:55
  A found out that one of a two accused of a totor and murder.
• 46:00
  He was he ended up bing hi in rank in as off and he BK
• 46:07
  battalion commander in as off and he was i so in late on the
• 46:11
  interview on one of a biggest you can you you youtube channels
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  i don't have a code name of the rulo i just like a you know
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  viking hero and realize it was a sandy.
• 46:25
  You know i double checked he's name from a calling to i dada
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  i'll data and that of the guy and we're us you to sand guy and
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  instat of bing jailed the guy was just basically promoted so
• 46:41
  II when i live Mario for i don't know how's destroyalend it if
• 46:45
  the guy was have a sense to any present centers, i don't that
• 46:49
  what i see is that ok copul of is later he just bing promoted
• 46:52
  with in thes of betalian so. To talk on capital based in the
• 46:57
  system, so it it shows and in the moral DK of of the ukraine,
• 47:05
  but i so and who know so, but that who's tokes about that no
• 47:09
  one. And we have all this information
• 47:13
  and I'm an falter cam my of a very fue to have that machnoles
• 47:17
  because i working diffon bases and mini people in my mission.
• 47:20
  The only working one base, they're in you what was go on in
• 47:23
  there on base bases and evan my college in malipol we what just
• 47:30
  like six of seven people with in the human dimension init noing
• 47:35
  what was going on the allers you know have a clue.
• 47:40
  So you know that was all so the Problem and the people in the
• 47:46
  yarak you bogers that we have a publish are reports because
• 47:51
  there we're oning just it in and fax like ok that personic is of
• 47:56
  this gram what centereds to that a mount of of of years in prison
• 48:00
  and that's it that's so that was publish of what we're collecting
• 48:04
  the backman story. That i one not interested the
• 48:08
  only publish like mino with final decision and that get not
• 48:11
  get any idea of how unreligable the home process was now we have
• 48:17
  a lego so with in the human dimension in the heckquarters we
• 48:22
  we're sening them all that detail report, but i know so
• 48:25
  that he the anything concrete with this this there so be is
• 48:31
  was basicly mino filed we've out any consequance.
• 48:36
  So that means that meask that just that meask that means binua
• 48:42
  that the OCE did not report the experiences on the grund ecurity
• 48:50
  but gay the holt thing a bias is that right.
• 48:55
  There's a in there was, so man information that we collective
• 48:58
  spad of a human diment of that was nav up you standing with
• 49:02
  what i can. This thing we will doing that
• 49:05
  was what was just so is that was sharing information with the the
• 49:08
  unator nations shimanize monitoring mission that was it
• 49:12
  also in new crank because there we're spezialize in shiman
• 49:15
  rights and and that there to publish one information that we
• 49:20
  did about all the shiman rights relations, but we are in the is
• 49:24
  in mission how the publish anything in this we go.
• 49:30
  And you know it was like a decision from aeraki that you
• 49:35
  know some things what to sensitive to be published and
• 49:38
  you know there was this argument that we have to protect all
• 49:41
  sources protect the people who coming to toler who can't to
• 49:44
  tolk to us so we have a evan and for the most series cases we
• 49:50
  have a sepret reporting me canisum and you don't have go
• 49:52
  to. The usual reporting the canison
• 49:55
  they on that the ptx i do have to protect the people and which
• 49:59
  to be onest was I'm in a good reason in many cases, we will
• 50:06
  right to protect the people do it is a calling to the do no on
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  principle they because he that they will complining about is
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  that people that we're complining about it they have
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  known that with then do organized repricals because we's
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  people can't to doctor so inid and fortrenty this was part of
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  the dilemma. That we have that.
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  Event so that was this moral dilemma i for there's some of it
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  going on that we can out just typ simons about it.
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  We have to that the will no that this is going on that we do
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  don't do it ok, we you're what just consulating outself of the
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  like to we i're you manage to get some information to we can
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  man you know internations? That.
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  Then the reports of they can mint you have to nations about
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  the shiman restalations that to i to do.
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  We think there's like to do some think.
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  Balanceed but the usuity that was not many details and was
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  report and i're right of feel them, but who was a reading that
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  onesly i know that so anything that the UN reported about that
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  was blaming you crane, i know that so that bing used in the
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  west and press never navid hapand.
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  And or I don't have a like universal.
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  Knowlege but I've know was See Navid and so bit.
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  So the West and press as I'm a way that I'm the collective data
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  that's fit the Russian agrition and narrative right if the data
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  shoes humans valation on the side of you crane, then that's
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  not something the west and politicians all the west and
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  mainstream press was interestited and fortunity now
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  they good of them at song point in the Ally Days report about
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  you know. Work crimes committeed by what i
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  don't he bitalians but i have in that evidence about that on
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  thisly so he don't when a french reporter from canal plus network
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  he documentary two than sixteen call the hidan musk of the
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  Revolution we'd showed the egly side of the you kind of
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  nationalist not to be to lot about the massaker of what this
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  are on the sing and of made of as and for team.
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  And he was final to you takt, but most of the mainstream.
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  Journalistin Friends you know that it's tooled in that he did
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  a very lose it job that he miss represented fucks and people and
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  that is as an acceptable and so you are you one who trine to
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  propos a different narrative was final to you tuck and this i
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  have to word you know he stop toking about you crane this was
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  i know. Because you you.
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  Was attack to. Virentling and so the truth if i
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  can out, but what was going on so this is what motivate in mini
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  to right my book because i realies ok, we'll so people no
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  the real extent of the workrimes committeed by you can you unit,
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  but also how unrealible Biest. The you can in just a system was
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  and what you of a democracy and when i he of that you know it's
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  two thes on twenty two. Oh you Crane you know it's like
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  fear defender of democracy against a russian barbarism and
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  this is so conterate what i song the grown and I'm not to can
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  about russia here because I've never work in Russia.
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  I don't know we know the. How Russia Respekts or that's
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  not respank human rights and oh i I'm not going to repeat what i
• 53:42
  was people say because i have in sins with my on i so I'm not
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  sing rusia is a model intims of respekt of human rights i kind
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  of sid it because i have in sinit it was not my job to talk
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  about my job was to monitor human rights of the human
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  Respekt of human in you crane not in rusia so i can't talk
• 54:01
  about rusia i can tok about you crane and what i so in you
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  Crane. As i say in my book, what i's on
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  your crane, what's gerry, that's no that's one i want to to say
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  what's what miss a german to to can they so all this people who
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  defan you crane on social Networks we's a all you crane is
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  the camp of good right fighting evil we's defended because it's
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  democracy it's the tado ship get's offaritaring is on, but
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  this is not what i's on your crane that's that's the thing
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  what. What i so it is a contry that
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  attack it's on citizens in them bus.
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  This is an of a dimension with this is of the havey shanning
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  that you can in forces in on the bus, i'm i also later on mate
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  statistics about cibrincasualties i is save at in
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  vultiple interviews or right, but statistic showed that
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  seventy two prozent of the victims of shanning in them bus
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  between two thin and two thin, we're on the secritieside.
• 55:01
  Innovatims cours but you crane seventy two Prozent and also mit
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  statistics on the lugon score blass because venad was
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  theployed there and if you constided damages to
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  infrastruktor we're for the diffent category.
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  We know we have very find aerry alligation of damages to houses,
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  buildings and stoff. And systematity we're doing that
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  work and i was in charge of coordinating that in in Lugansk
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  for the lugans oblast also ho and i'm one we're with us to do
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  statisticks i get will statisticks and it's showed that
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  five prozent of all they conformed.
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  Damages to infrastrukture, but we collective is a mission on
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  bofside it was on the sebritieside so be to investible
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  in cashualties and the damages in frustricure we have two
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  statistics that matched twenty to was a sebnity five percent,
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  you're standable evidence that you're kind was shning muchmore
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  and the sebritieside again back to the testy one of that first
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  person i metin coulder mifka who's that the ukanius was
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  shning randomly. As compare to the sepadist you
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  see so yeah, this is like my man discoveries what was working in
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  in them bass and i felt was important to sharves information
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  because manual this is first land.
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  There's you people know about it intuding of the OC mission what
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  and i ford what no the well is on the brink of well what three
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  this hast du be no. So.
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  Like me, ask of that the OCE perform as a traitor of it's on
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  principles. I constiter that the OC be
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  trade, it's one mandate. Simple is that.
• 56:59
  He specialty reguiding the fag that we you refused to public
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  statistics about the seal and cash rities because that was
• 57:06
  every teddying, but the dynamics on the config.
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  It was Central isue in the narrative of you know ukranian
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  government shading and so and this citizens in dombas versus
• 57:19
  Russian agration coming to ukrane to kill ukranians who a
• 57:24
  alls who was all support the you can in government and of this is
• 57:28
  a compitive falls narrative, I'm an completely, i think it's men
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  russia supported the sepertist in one way on over.
• 57:38
  But to blame all the that in dombas on Russia alone is just
• 57:44
  so far from the the truth lust of a people to that in dombas
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  we're code by a ukanian and see them confern by statistics
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  compart, but the UN we'ch i also public in in my book, do the the
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  UN because i've going to statistics up to what's but
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  nobody mensch on the what's agin and the statistics that the UN
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  compart. That that from themory out of
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  you twas like a the end of two phasenton one that they probates
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  this numbers so from themory twas like six thousand seperty
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  soldiers, we'll killed about four phasand you cranin
• 58:24
  soldiers, we'll killed miss meaning like you have a fifty
• 58:28
  prozent more. You.
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  Seperty soldiers killed in this confing that you cranin ons.
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  We should again sing to show that the ukrainian side.
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  We're think that more on the secreties side and then you have
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  the severin casualties, but the UN did not separate severin
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  casualties in jumps of a we're they were located, so we don't
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  know on with side, the we're the biggest them out of severin
• 58:55
  casualties going to the a data they know that just bubies to
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  google figure but. Ok at list, it's it's shows it
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  in self that you can not blade the boss of the dictims of this
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  conflict on of the separities on russia, you know it's just like
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  it's not confum bei statistics and the fang that o is e is used
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  to publis statistics again for me was a bitrale of a mandate
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  because it's let the narative defined but poroschenko or that
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  time to be on a post. And it was my Fax you know.
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  I you arold to my irakin was there's once i did the
• 59:34
  statistics i will to my irakines and ok, we have that up i can
• 59:40
  comed to dict that the force narratics and if we publis was
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  that it's with a help a people are on the will and the special
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  in ukraine to real. I that the people from the think
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  of the aggressors, the sepritist in this kase that was he the
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  dictins. And you know, and if you'll new
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  that they would have fed a different on the standing of the
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  hole conflic in bombas and then they're cool of vodit in ukraine
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  for parties that we're like to the not revendicate in or a
• 1:00:13
  millitry solution to the conflict bats in or rather a
• 1:00:16
  diplomatic solution to it and the implementation of minister
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  riment that oh we just that podo schenkel statements bing on the
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  post. And then the west and we'll
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  behind us. I'm in was be was just following
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  the you can you're gender so we have the name to tel the two for
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  but was going on and we be fuse to do it that to see to be
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  frank, it's because that we did it only ones in two those and
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  seventin in one report and i menschen that also in my book.
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  But you privers report. We you can in government racked.
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  With a lot of anger, a get's a hit of mission and aftervat a
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  hit of mission desideed never to polish statistics about cibin
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  gasual to showing and what'side with on the biggest the maut of
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  was gasual toes. It was the end and this i
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  believe who. Desideed a when we a who
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  desideed insideed we OSCE mission what was reported and
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  what was not reported. But was document?
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  Ultimate is the head of missions.
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  And the head of Mission was on the.
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  Profession and he was not this. I know he was not this.
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  I think along because what I you know i will quest it a private
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  meeting with in in kiew ons in or to rase this is you but to
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  will casual just statistic and he or a stolers and no andy one
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  is welcome to visit me so ok as it fine i as for meeting i us to
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  visiting and he is an to me politely.
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  And have to words he's that ok well it.
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  Oh you have an instesting proposal that to bubblish we're
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  sites, but you know i need to discusted with my my my depities
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  so he had to deside with the depity principal depity had a
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  mission of that time and the head of reporting who are that
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  time was a german Citizen Bailey.
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  So and he Town me what just you know send the send the memo or
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  riton memo what the that's samarise what you town me on in
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  or in or riton form and sendic to me and to them as WL and we
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  will see we'll see we'll discust of and i was what to do so i did
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  what i was us to do and nothing hopped that is basicly three
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  people if i follow we have a mission who the side it together
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  no to bubis was side just think. Do you have any evidence of
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  influence by the United States by US organizations like USAID
• 1:02:58
  or the CIA? Well no the way.
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  Of the OC functions is that you have i're you the hitquarters of
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  the OC of best and diana. And indiana you have the
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  delegations of all the number states that's govern regulity
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  the ACE has i get a still has it in hadad that down PT sedan
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  number states basicly all the countries from the west on
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  hemisphir like and novid hemisphir like and as a states
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  Kanada and all the Opern conties plus the Formel conties of the
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  sevit union all this people of number states all this people
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  have a say. In the if hers of the oac, but
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  if you can see to a budget voice, the you know that to
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  state has i'm in. I think the sicker from memory
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  you know mail be people to double check that because main
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  of be one hundred prozent relaable um that but and from
• 1:03:57
  recollection i think the US was basical paying twenty four
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  prozent of the hole budget of the oac Germany.
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  Friends the Uk Italy itch fendid about nine percent rushia was
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  ping was funning the last one that as are from recollection
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  they be six of seven percent. It is it was based on gdp raffly
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  you know from longo go and for you're in countries you know
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  that reformed you your countries we'll no to as decided ok based
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  on gd p's, what is the sainpre so?
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  The we'll pay the same that you US was wain one fluential so of
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  cours the what have AUS it. You know was have you have you
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  in fluential for the AC and regulity one we want the round
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  we can be you know prase agrest that the US delegation in the NI
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  was makeing they're hawstatements the sepritist
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  agrestia all the time there we doing that all the time and
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  there we're event spriting lie i min.
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  To tell it you're a two there was trading lies on some topics
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  of things at hupin on the grund. Everything that hupin on the
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  grund was for the US delegation a pretext to dimoni the
• 1:05:11
  sepretist and a kuse Russian evan if it was kase is where
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  this be you can and meditry was shanning I'm a stories about
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  that in my book you know all the evidence is they have a witness
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  is a notiple witness is and anyways.
• 1:05:30
  This is what hot and they they we're constantly a propaganda
• 1:05:34
  machine against the separities and the versions we godless of
• 1:05:38
  what we was going on the grand so and then we the inside we is
• 1:05:44
  the mission we we have you know mini american citizens, but
• 1:05:47
  every contry was limited to ten prozent of the operal staff
• 1:05:51
  right so that you would in have one contry dominiting to not
• 1:05:57
  americans. Did not have there, we high a
• 1:06:00
  senior positions in the mission that they have many people on
• 1:06:05
  the group and one i so is that at song point and one of was
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  wicking comators one of the new comerers who was i have disgust
• 1:06:15
  with in the guy was a former inploye of the net, no the
• 1:06:20
  national in dormand for democracy, which is now no.
• 1:06:25
  I don't people who know things that liz that this is just an
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  ngo, that's just createed in the aties to replase functions that
• 1:06:35
  we're before them implemented by the cia right that now what the
• 1:06:41
  cia just to do to influence politics in foreign counties
• 1:06:47
  that net was doing it. So, and that guy is you'll me
• 1:06:52
  probly that he had work for. I think five yers for the net in
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  in Ukraine and then he join a mission and at some point
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  because in my function and or i have somcordi connaging
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  function. We're when it was an comatosk
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  and so what's going to a lot of support and you get this is what
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  i don't mo of and most of my colics because most of my colics
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  what just me moniters. Don't have as merch access to
• 1:07:21
  data that i had because as spot of my corner koordinating
• 1:07:25
  function, so have to reports riton by overs to mic wicky
• 1:07:29
  summaries of that so and that's some part is a was in charge of
• 1:07:32
  the human Dimension wicky summary i was riting true all
• 1:07:36
  the reports compowed but i reporting unit based on patrol
• 1:07:39
  reports and it's support i so that was a disripency so I'm
• 1:07:42
  think that do don't like sand. Basicly in that report it was
• 1:07:48
  discribe that one village on the you quin in control side was
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  sheld and that as a result of the shanning five different
• 1:07:57
  house is have been damage in that village confern by us DLC,
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  but at the sametime for a down the report, it was set that the
• 1:08:06
  lokal nayar that ministerpity it was think novalu harski the name
• 1:08:10
  of the missipities no for tolosko the lokal nayar.
• 1:08:14
  When we visited her mean, we oh as you patrol sit oh as no
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  damages in ovalidge no, but it was injured, no damages, that's
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  it was a wait a minute hack and we confirm but five husties a
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  damage and and the lokal major says i'll no damages this is a
• 1:08:30
  contrediction hier so i just the head of a reporting sale i can
• 1:08:35
  you please get me access to venual patrol report that
• 1:08:38
  mansions that because i don't understand is disripencing.
• 1:08:41
  And so we together he was on the American guide, but we are
• 1:08:44
  retide diplomed a nice guy so and i was standing next to him
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  what he was searching the computer to look for the initial
• 1:08:53
  petrol reports. We have the row data was riton
• 1:08:56
  and then we actually down that together that the data about the
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  did dimage house is was not about the wuchunsky it was about
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  the minisibility on the overside of the on of kontakt go of go.
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  Go of go that was held by the sepritist so in overterms or
• 1:09:15
  reports confirming that the seprities with victims of the
• 1:09:19
  shanning be king a report in which the seprities what blamed
• 1:09:26
  for shanning on the you can in a controll side to was a complete
• 1:09:30
  reversal or responsibility. I'm in Hakan, you do that and it
• 1:09:36
  was like you know Blade on proof.
• 1:09:39
  So dan of course i change my report acordingly red that it
• 1:09:44
  was a report and the the a the mission of the way.
• 1:09:48
  I'm Mission work we have daily reports with we're public and
• 1:09:52
  then we have a wickle report, but the wickle report was not
• 1:09:54
  mate public. It was only made to be red by
• 1:09:58
  the Fifty seven member states so anyways what that we would
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  korrekt what only be in the wicker report for the member
• 1:10:06
  States John that is what I'm see it.
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  So anyways One of the report is publish, i have never sign one
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  of about daily reports being correct it because i'm going on
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  it maybeat happend, but i'm not aware it a anyways that report
• 1:10:24
  with rong information but's for the be published and i don't
• 1:10:29
  think the was any correction. I'm not aware anyways after that
• 1:10:34
  you know we confronted this guy in the office.
• 1:10:38
  And all he have to say the like we're what the summary report of
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  a they he's that all well. Sorry you know so you man me
• 1:10:49
  Stick you know i was on just stress because of a time
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  pressure you know you know, hey it is we have to will.
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  Fast on bla bla. It ok, all are a reponing
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  officers basicly on there was sames stress every single day to
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  a compiled, a day report of the on they's quickly because this
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  reports or covated in hiarup fitials that i can you justify
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  that you've can many stak by changing the name of the village
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  where the. The shading to place or villa of
• 1:11:24
  vlucadity and this place because call of kinds not a village.
• 1:11:31
  You're you know no one of will believe it he've an a child with
• 1:11:33
  no believe it so this the you answer was that all you're in me
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  stakes and that's the only and so he can get me in order to
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  justifi what hapent that q believe it on is right that ok
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  you good save face to a sat on level.
• 1:11:49
  And that was it i discovered blattons case of facification of
• 1:11:53
  or support now have in you know supports or facifight this on.
• 1:11:57
  This example that nobody so but me aftered was publised you know
• 1:12:02
  i would you wundert and then i have testimonies from all the
• 1:12:05
  collins, two of a collins who to me that the also hat evidence of
• 1:12:11
  reports that we're facifite in incive.
• 1:12:16
  And one of this testing, one is was going a gag.
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  We was the patrol leader who roll the initial reports what he
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  perfecting no new what he road and then one the report was
• 1:12:26
  publish the publish report he so that the change what he road
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  this it some porn he's at all we have a gunfire that the cut and
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  tell we're the direction of the gunfire and in the report that
• 1:12:40
  was publish, it's was transvited by gunfire from the separities
• 1:12:44
  like. With you's that i have a all
• 1:12:47
  that that some by the hirer of i do that and then he nade is he's
• 1:12:51
  on investigation and he phone that that the reporting officer
• 1:12:55
  a who it're the made was responsible for the mission
• 1:12:58
  report that they we can know that.
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  That ben what? But noah that means that the OCE
• 1:13:06
  reports forllout the propaganda narrative of the west and of the
• 1:13:12
  q government in kiew by falsifications and by lying
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  three leading out. Here but i would an save the
• 1:13:21
  lying was like the every day in a systematic way.
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  I we don't see that that they what cases of facitation of
• 1:13:31
  reports, we're just just menschen.
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  The end in the two case is, but i know of a where we was will
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  far sefight we find to you a citizens and this you a citizens
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  who is ponsible for this sigon case, but I'm management of I'm
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  that you was a woman and i was still that you will I'll go
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  source who got it from of a american citizens that she was
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  Charge of the Republic Report. That have you but you will see
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  new York Times. At the CIA twelve secret
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  stations in eastern Ukraine after the kuh of midan it you
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  know that in that time you are a monitor.
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  discovered about this blate on and in the press, but i have no
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  evidence of this what i was. There and the there is in german
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  press. A typical narrative that russian
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  military invaded the east on part of ukraine in two thousand
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  forteen do do it you see any evidence that russian trops
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  that wending the book will looking for i have collins we
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  that there we're confirm version trips in lombus that's an man
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  that the we're no that we do in see any evidance so it and you
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  can do a doing my first day you training, we we're training kiff
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  some where in i just in dombas and that they arrested that we
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  know this guate holders we also miss there's a mission we do
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  that have a chance to top to them.
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  or russian soldiers. The Russian okay that's basicity
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  high present to things we can not confirmed because we do in
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  government now they be it was true that's again, we do in see
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  the evidence or zwar is i in the where and you know i have some a
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  in the village. In the ADPO side and all the
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  is a sign that this was a russian officer in a russian
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  unite and that was in off for the guide to be convins with was
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  a russian unite because the guide was polite and well dress
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  me and AI myself experience that you go to defian unit.
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  the live in Russia and that's it to comback to defin.
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  confirmation of that that ok, he was just i're you was from
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  upcasia to go's the guy decided to to stop and i can speficy
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  specificy what he was form and he's i he was from upcasia we
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  just one of the severities region of IA georgia also as we
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  know so that. Can i have a found evidence of
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  russian people? They are once i us the manager
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  russian soldiers get and he's at what i don't know but he's at if
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  there we're i'm people you would have a fineband because they
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  would be the street and they would be technical advises this
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  kind of this kind of people. Do you have when we're when what
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  do you have any evidence that the separatists in lugansk and
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  done jetzt recieved weapons machine guns Tanks all tillery
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  is that things like that from the russian side.
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  And I don't have i have an seen evidence of it myself that we
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  know i was not spezializen this part.
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  thing is i have an sin of my a little evidance of it and i'm
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  not aware, but the oac sound avidance of it, but i want to be
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  corrers on that i don't have the universal knowlege and this is a
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  on this is you because i was not spezializer on it so.
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  till the Russian invasion in two thousand twenty two just in the
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  month and the weeks before this invasion that you have scene any
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  escalation from the ukraine side, a boosting of shelling a
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  massive trup amount or sunting els.
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  What i like to the II talk about it to the längsting my book to
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  of this is you only on the side of a sisyvalations and in o
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  shading i think in beat is margipinion that you crane
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  produkt the Russian intervention.
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  And was i that because II followed all the events in two
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  those and twenty one that let to this again they be to long to
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  expering here, but there was a series of decision made by
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  nexileration in new crane of it radical agenda radical
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  nationalist Agenda. It's started with in o basicly
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  closing down major television chanels in you crane, the three
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  of them on the pretex that they we're spreding version
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  propaganda and in I'm was they just to support the mins
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  cogimment or to support the us of a russian language.
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  know. And the temps to signance your
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  that and nobody evan poloschenko was delow that there was nobody
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  no of a position in you crane with such a high a proval rate
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  blinkend agnologic. So you're the rash ons with see
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  in forses deside it to kind up and on oned lpr look ons
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  about anything just to say blunky for all of this yars
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  friends about the mins regriment and invos exchanges.
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  crane to finally have a direkt chanel of communication with the
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  reversions or to uac so when there what negation in this, it
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  to oac reprentatives or to ressions directly, and then the
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  oac e what top to the sepreties and then the sepreties with
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  menschen the poins and then the oac e with carry the poins of
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  with this games because you can inside at all.
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  We don't want to top to the fupage we want to top to the
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  master. Perpest or russians but the
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  russians. One to to disn gate from that,
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  so it was like coms to you know this a griment back and fulf and
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  hotley anything of substance one really home for at this is and
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  so a think the russianside was. Dialogaly things that would see
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  that the mainscrearriment we're going no there, so they ask one
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  last time at if friends and germany godfathers of you
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  griment can you please like do something about it's ands one's
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  friends and germany again that no we will not pressure you
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  crane to tok to the seprities you kind, that's what there it
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  restance it quest like away to ok the mainscregiment all that.
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  in spad of that and macon and i think merkel was out oriddy so i
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  then it was i think as i recall Merkel.
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  Step down in dezember twenty one, but you can know that that
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  instrovement in genery and fibery, but i was convensed
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  Can is a the manager side of things you know.
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  hosh in christ of sisvi evalations in donbus one the
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  was pot of that myself. I you was event and have in a
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  dialog with the person in chardovit for many y's he was an
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  over french man and we know it chard that for the well so i
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  and he was perfic we are the wigness is of a system.
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  then somedy i's replasting, but i'm not a wear of the system a
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  chance fundament to live to that anyways the statistic on the
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  then it shows. Locations of explosions that
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  adgoning or inconing explosion. This is based on the feening of
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  the monitors, but i know for fact that this is loggely
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  subjektive, we're it's adgoning and inconing you can only
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  realies when you're close you're not close is there hot to tell.
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  wrong. This is human space on human
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  perception about something which is not scientificly pulvable so
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  the only reliable statistics but is for a relations of the data a
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  collective by night vision cameras was the nine vision
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  in the sky. When i was like myself,
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  deployed in golovka or. Deployed in sweetlodosc on the
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  orside. It's fairy easy to tell we're
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  things conform and we're the go if you know the geography and so
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  camras we had in still camrason the lot of contact to document
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  that at night because we can be there physicaly it's at for a
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  copal of places and. I fockers on analysing this data
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  in oder so. But i had access to we see
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  reports right so i playing out that moment that was like down
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  the end and i was finning like was like we're word I'd leading
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  song think comparble. To we're two.
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  You know like. Thank you very much.
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  Thank you. Very much.
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  thens what what two in you're. Ben a.
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  Wapari thank you very much for this talk.
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  Ben a wapari ein. OSZE Beobachter im Donbass von
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  2015 bis 2022 sagt, was ich im Kriegsgebiet gesehen habe,
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  unterscheidet sich erheblich von der westlichen Propaganda.
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  Wir bei gegen den Strom zeigen Positionen und Perspektiven, die
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  die Propaganda Medien verschweigen.