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Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the program tonight. Just five sitting days left
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Speaker 2: until the Parliament shut down for Christmas. Labor desperate to
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Speaker 2: pass this so called misinformation laws. I'll speak with a
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Speaker 2: leading free speech advocate, the brilliant Michael Shellenberger, who's here
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Speaker 2: from the United States to warn our MPs about the
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Speaker 2: terrifying reach of Labour's laws. The Treasurer's economic statement today
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament, that's yet another sign to me this
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Speaker 2: government will go to an early election. A campaign veteran
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Speaker 2: joins me. Is he agreed? The signs are there. The
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Speaker 2: Labour's getting ready to head to the polls. Last after
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Speaker 2: calling him the village idiot, Kevin Rudd Brakes Cover say
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Speaker 2: he's now ready to work with Donald Trump. But is
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Speaker 2: the President elect ready to work with our ambassador or
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Speaker 2: should he be shown at the door? And the coalition
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Speaker 2: our pressure today for Labor to justify their pig headed
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Speaker 2: aversion to nuclear power just when the rest of the
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Speaker 2: world is embracing it.
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Speaker 3: At COP twenty nine and additional six nations endorse the
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Speaker 3: declaration to triple nuclear energy by twenty fifty. Why is
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Speaker 3: it the Albanizi government signing up to the same agreement.
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Speaker 1: Why is the Albanzi labor government out of step with
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world which is increasingly taking up
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Speaker 1: civil nuclear energy.
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Speaker 3: Why does the Albanesi government remain so stubbornly opposed to.
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Speaker 4: Exploring this proven zero emissions energy source.
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Speaker 2: What a joke that was Question Time today, where again
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Speaker 2: the Albanesi government was digging itself into an ever deeper
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Speaker 2: hole on energy. There's simply no logic left in Australia's
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Speaker 2: bound on nuclear power, and the government sounds more and
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Speaker 2: more shrill, even hysterical in trying to justify it.
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Speaker 1: In order for us to get to a point of
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Speaker 1: having a civil nuclear industry, we would need to go
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Speaker 1: through the process of establishing it, which is deeply costly,
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Speaker 1: which would take twenty years.
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Speaker 5: And at the end of that we get four percent
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Speaker 5: into og grid. That's it. Four percent.
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Speaker 1: But the reality of what we face is you can't
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Speaker 1: go out there and just magic the reactors.
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Speaker 5: You've actually got to go and build them.
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Speaker 1: That cost money, and the people who will pay for
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Speaker 1: are the Australia Come.
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Speaker 2: On and on it went Australia's bound on nuclear power
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Speaker 2: as a legal prohibition put in place by the Howard
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Speaker 2: government more than two decades back as a concession to
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Speaker 2: the Greens in order to get the legislation passed to
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Speaker 2: rebuild the medical nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights in the
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Speaker 2: City Southern Suburbs. Because the Greens held Howard to ransom.
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Speaker 2: I mean they were holding up critical work on the
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Speaker 2: reactor that's needed to deliver cancer patients the radiology therapy
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Speaker 2: they need, so holding up the saving of lives. Howard
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Speaker 2: capitulated back then, giving the Greens this amendment to give
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Speaker 2: cancer pations then the treatment they needed. Well, that was
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Speaker 2: a fair price to pay when there was no question
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Speaker 2: of Australia not using coal and gas to give us
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Speaker 2: the world's cheapest energy. But it's become a dangerous folly
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Speaker 2: now when the only way to have reliable and affordable
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Speaker 2: power and keep the lights on is via nuclear energy. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: the nuclear band has become so absurd given the almen
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Speaker 2: Easy government's insistence that nuclear power is absolutely necessary at
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Speaker 2: sea but somehow absolutely unthinkable on land. This week's statement
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Speaker 2: from the British Labor Government that it expected Australia to
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Speaker 2: be part of a civil nuclear partnership made in a
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Speaker 2: press release and then suddenly withdrawn just highlighted how out
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Speaker 2: of step the alban Ezy government is even with the
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Speaker 2: global mainstream left. Here we have the Biden administration in
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Speaker 2: the Starma government, doubling down on nuclear is the best
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Speaker 2: way to keep energy affordable while still decarbonizing, and yet
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Speaker 2: the Albanezer government wants nothing to do with it. Labour's
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Speaker 2: attempts to demonize nuclear as facile and juvenile as they
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Speaker 2: are without factual basis. First, Albansi and Bowen and the
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Speaker 2: rest said that nuclear was not safe. They ran those
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Speaker 2: stupid little social media cartoons everywhere, you know, the three
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Speaker 2: eyed fish and other things. But then they eventually dropped
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Speaker 2: that after they were pilloried the world over. Now I
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Speaker 2: suspect some bright sparkle. The PM's office eventually said, look,
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Speaker 2: we can't keep saying nuclear as it's safe. After all,
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Speaker 2: we're going to put Australian sub maritis in a nuclear submarine.
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Speaker 2: We look pretty stupid, and indeed they did. Then they
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Speaker 2: said it would be technically impossible for us to manage
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Speaker 2: it because we didn't have a nuclear industry all but
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Speaker 2: implying Australians aren't smarter andugh enough to do this. Now.
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Speaker 2: Eventually Labor dropped that as well, because we will need
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Speaker 2: a nuclear industry to sustain our all submarines, and we
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Speaker 2: actually have one anyway, or it's small and it's based
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Speaker 2: around that existing medical reactor. But we've been handling nuclear
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Speaker 2: in this country for almost seventy years. Apart from being
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Speaker 2: an insult to our country, they think that we can't
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Speaker 2: do what thirty plus other countries can. So now the
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Speaker 2: only argument they've seemingly got left is that nuclear is
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Speaker 2: supposedly too expensive. Yet it's not too expensive for France
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Speaker 2: to get almost seventy percent of its power from nuclear,
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Speaker 2: and from Britain and America to get twenty percent of
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Speaker 2: their power from the same source as well, So how's
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Speaker 2: it too expensive for us? Besides, the cost argument gets
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Speaker 2: more and more hollow given the skyrocketing costs of the
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Speaker 2: transition from coal and gas to renewables. Now you hear
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Speaker 2: this all the time from the government that wind and
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Speaker 2: solar are free, because that means renewables are cheap.
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Speaker 1: The sun doesn't sell and send an invoice, the wind
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Speaker 1: doesn't ask you to pay.
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Speaker 2: What a joke. I mean, you pay your bills. You
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Speaker 2: know what's going on. Has more and more renewables made
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Speaker 2: your power cheaper? We know it hasn't, because while Winn
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Speaker 2: and Sun might be free year, he's right, they don't
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Speaker 2: give you an invoice. We're all paying through the nose
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Speaker 2: to harness it, to store it, to ferment, and to
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Speaker 2: deliver it to the grid. Last week there was modeling
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Speaker 2: released from Frontier Economics suggesting that the cost of the
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Speaker 2: government's energy transition was not the one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: two billion dollars claimed, but at least six hundred and
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Speaker 2: forty two billion, So not five thousand dollars every man, woman,
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Speaker 2: and child, but something like twenty five thousand dollars each.
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Speaker 2: And Last month too, the US Department of Energy released
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Speaker 2: a report showing that the total system cost with nuclear
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Speaker 2: was thirty seven percent less than a power system run
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Speaker 2: with renewables alone. Let's write thirty seven percent less than
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Speaker 2: just renewables if you have renewables plus nuclear. Here's the
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Speaker 2: graph now throwing the fact that the Emirates have just
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Speaker 2: built a massive nuclear plant in just a decade at
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Speaker 2: the cost of some thirty billion dollars, and it shows
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Speaker 2: that Labour's alarmism is a lie. Compare the experience in
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Speaker 2: the UAE with our much smaller snowy two point zero
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Speaker 2: build that pumped hydro scheme. It's taking more than a decade,
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Speaker 2: with costs having already blown out from two billion to
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Speaker 2: twelve billion, and that's without all the extra costs to
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Speaker 2: transmit the power to the grid. Now, put simply, Labour's
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Speaker 2: cost scare doesn't stand up. If the government really thinks
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Speaker 2: nuclear is too expensive, then just remove the band, remove
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Speaker 2: the van, and let's see what the market sees. Now
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Speaker 2: there are no bids, or the bids are way too high,
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Speaker 2: or Labor will be vindicated. But if players flood the
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Speaker 2: market willing to build nuclear reactors here and deliver cheaper energy,
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Speaker 2: well we're all going to be better off. Well, most
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Speaker 2: of us will bear off. Ones in trouble will be
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Speaker 2: the pig headed Labor government whose opposition to nuclear is
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Speaker 2: based on nothing more than out of date prejudice. We're
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Speaker 2: winding down in canber and things are getting feisty. Will
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Speaker 2: go there now after the headlines Trendy Macintosh.
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Speaker 6: The Treasurer, has declared he's cautiously confident the worst of
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Speaker 6: Australia's inflation pain is behind us. Jim Chalmers pointed to
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Speaker 6: substantial progress in the headline figures, but he concedes that's
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Speaker 6: not necessarily how people are feeling.
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Speaker 7: We're not pretending that it's mission accomplished, because it isn't.
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Speaker 8: We're realistic about this, but we're optimistic as well.
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Speaker 6: Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor believes Labour's optimism is misplaced.
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Speaker 3: There is nothing soft about this landing, nothing at all,
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Speaker 3: dear pity speaker.
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Speaker 5: What we have seen from this government is a crash landing.
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Speaker 6: Australia's ambassador to the US, Kevin Rudd, says he's ready
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Speaker 6: to work with incoming President Donald Trump. It's his first
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Speaker 6: on camera appearance since old comments resurfaced critical of mister Trump.
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Speaker 7: Here at the embassy, we've been working hard through the
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Speaker 7: course of the last year to ensure that we were.
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Speaker 5: Well prepared for this moment, and the bottom line.
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Speaker 6: Is we're ready and Australia has condemned Russia's apparent escalation
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Speaker 6: in its nuclear weapons posture. President Putin has signed an
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Speaker 6: order changing Russia's nuclear doctrine on paper, lowering the bar
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Speaker 6: for the use of nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 1: This is absolutely reprehensible on the part of Russia to
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Speaker 1: be even talking about nuclear responses.
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Speaker 6: Today Ukraine has fired US supplied missiles into Russian territory
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Speaker 6: days after getting the go ahead from the Biden administration.
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Speaker 9: It will be taking this as a quoderatively new face
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Speaker 9: of the Western war against Russia, and we will will react.
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Speaker 6: To Trudy McIntosh Sky News canbra.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's get into some of those headlines and other issues.
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Speaker 2: I'm joining now my Sky News senior political reporter Trundy
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Speaker 2: McIntosh and our cameras camera Sydney senior reporter Carolyn Markets.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. I want to start with nuclear
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Speaker 2: power another day. It was a feature of Question Time,
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Speaker 2: Truty the coalition saying labors turning us into an international embarrassment.
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Speaker 2: That's after we declined that invitation from our Orcist partners,
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Speaker 2: Richard Marles trying to play down the story today that
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Speaker 2: the Orchest submarine Dearly says is completely separate from discussions
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Speaker 2: about a nuclear industry. I think labor's caught out here
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Speaker 2: the moment they made the decision in opposition to back
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Speaker 2: Aucust and have nuclear power at sea. I think it's
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Speaker 2: really impacted their ability to argue against nuclear on land.
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Speaker 2: I think they're wage what do you think, Well, don't
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Speaker 2: hold your breath through, Peter.
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Speaker 6: They're not going to change their mind on this position.
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Speaker 6: You heard it over and over from Richard Males today.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a.
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Speaker 6: Civil nuclear industry and that's the reason why that they
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Speaker 6: didn't sign up to that international agreement. This is now
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Speaker 6: a very clear electoral battleground heading into that next campaign.
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Speaker 6: Labor doesn't support nuclear energy at all, pointing to the
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Speaker 6: costs they believe the lack of that civil industry. Here
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Speaker 6: the coalition all for it, and we're waiting on the
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Speaker 6: rest of those details.
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Speaker 2: I also thought the price.
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Speaker 6: Argument for Richard Miles today, it's one of those ones.
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Speaker 6: I always scratched my head out here saying, oh, underpetered
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Speaker 6: up and the bills would be up by more than
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Speaker 6: one thousand dollars whatever the figure was. Today they promised
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Speaker 6: to lower power bills though, So you've always got to
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Speaker 6: be so skeptical when they just pull these dollar figures.
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Speaker 2: It seems out of the air. Well it's trudy. Where
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Speaker 2: has Labor ever hated to spend taxpayers money?
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Speaker 6: I know that they don't ideologically support nuclear power, and
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Speaker 6: I don't know if all the will in the world
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Speaker 6: from the coalition is going to change that position.
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Speaker 2: Now. I think the problem, Caroline Marcus is it's a
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Speaker 2: factional issue for Labor. It's always been an article of
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Speaker 2: faith of the Labor faction or Left. They're obviously in
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Speaker 2: the ascendancy the Prime ministers of the Left faction. Most
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Speaker 2: of his power base in the parliament's the Left Faction,
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Speaker 2: and it's also underpinned in their Labor Party convention platform.
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Speaker 2: So I agree with Truty it's off the table. But
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Speaker 2: I think when punters go to vote and one side
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Speaker 2: is promising them cheaper power, you know, if both sides
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Speaker 2: are headed to net zero, but one says it's via
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Speaker 2: renewables that your power bills are going to go up.
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Speaker 2: The other side says it's nuclear power. The rest of
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Speaker 2: the world's doing it crazy. If we don't, I think
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Speaker 2: that's the decision that will be before the people, don't
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Speaker 2: you think, Caroline absolutely.
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Speaker 10: I mean, at the end of the day, cost of
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Speaker 10: living is going to be the number one issue at
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Speaker 10: the polls. I don't think anyone will dispute that, and
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Speaker 10: our household and energy bills are such a huge part
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Speaker 10: of that, and we've seen so many holes poked through
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Speaker 10: the arguments that the government has raised against nuclear And
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Speaker 10: as you point out, Peter, this incredible paradox between signing
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Speaker 10: up to this nuclear deal which they continue to sprook,
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Speaker 10: or you know, continuing this nuclear deal that was first
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Speaker 10: raised by the Coalition, and yet being so stubbornly pig
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Speaker 10: headed on the idea of lifting the moratorium on nuclear
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Speaker 10: having a civil nuclear industry. As you say, why is
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Speaker 10: it okay to have it at sea?
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Speaker 2: No problem at all here.
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Speaker 10: Nuclear good at sea and in US submarines, But when
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Speaker 10: it comes to helping us reach even the emissions targets
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Speaker 10: that they're setting and in the long term, bringing down
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Speaker 10: power bills and being a reliable energy source that now
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Speaker 10: so many countries around the world have embraced, Suddenly no nuclear,
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Speaker 10: bad three headed fish, all the other conspiracies that they.
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Speaker 2: Can throw up.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it just it's so hypocritical, and I think
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Speaker 10: what's happened with this deal that they have refused to
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Speaker 10: sign on to it really highlights that and this argument
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Speaker 10: that it's because we don't have a civil industry as
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Speaker 10: to why we can't sign up to the deal. That
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Speaker 10: doesn't wash either, because there are plenty of other countries
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Speaker 10: that have signed up to it that don't have a
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Speaker 10: civil industry either. So I dare say Truty is right.
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Speaker 10: I don't think they're going to change their position on this,
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Speaker 10: and refusing to sign up to the statement just proves that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I might ad yes, Lucas Heights is small,
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Speaker 2: but we've been in the game there for seventy years.
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Speaker 2: And in terms of sustainment, which is the fancy word
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Speaker 2: for servicing the submarines, which will go on for probably
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Speaker 2: thirty to forty years, we will need an industry in
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Speaker 2: Australia of nuclear experts to sustain the submarines. So I
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Speaker 2: think the Deputy Prime Minister actively prime ministers caught out
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Speaker 2: in all of that. Let's go to the bilt that
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has with President g in the margins
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Speaker 2: of the G twenty. They say they didn't discuss Trump,
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Speaker 2: but they didn't discuss trade. I find this extraordinary though, Trudy.
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Speaker 2: Only a couple of hours after they had this meeting,
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong issues a press statement saying the government was
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Speaker 2: gravely concerned. She said by the seven year sentence handed
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Speaker 2: down to the Australian man Gordon Yung following a crackdown
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Speaker 2: by Beijing on Hong Kong's pro democracy movement. Now, I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what it is rank if the expression of
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Speaker 2: concern only comes from Wong and not from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister when he met Gi. We know Kirstamer brought up
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Speaker 2: similar concerns directly with the Chinese. Do we know what
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister did. Well, I've looked at the transcript, spare.
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Speaker 6: I don't think he was explicitly asked on Gordon Ung,
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Speaker 6: but he did use he said I raised a consular
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Speaker 6: matters plural beyond Yang Hen John. So there's a potential
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Speaker 6: he did it privately and hasn't explicitly said that. But
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Speaker 6: look in the broad there was a really start contrast
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Speaker 6: between the two opening bilaterals with Kirstarmer and Anthony Aberanesi.
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Speaker 6: We pointed this out yesterday on Politics. Now, Anthony Alberzi
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Speaker 6: doesn't mention any of those tricky issues in the opening
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Speaker 6: of that meeting where the cameras are in the room.
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Speaker 6: Kiir Starmer, the first UKPM to meet with she in
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Speaker 6: six years, did that raise these issues? And then the
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Speaker 6: Chinese officials come and basically push the British cameras out
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Speaker 6: of the room. Look from Labour's perspective here, they want
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Speaker 6: to keep this relationship on an even keel.
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Speaker 2: They say they raise the matters privately. Whether that actually
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Speaker 2: has any direct influence on these consular cases, I'm skeptical
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Speaker 2: of that front. Labours even kill Trety is a bit
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Speaker 2: of a cowtown to me. Let's go to housing. This
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Speaker 2: statistics terrifying, Caroline. If you're earning one hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: and that's just a tick above average innings, but it's
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Speaker 2: about that ballpark. You can only afford about ten percent
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Speaker 2: of all Australian homes on the market. Now, if you've
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Speaker 2: got one hundred and seventy two thousand dollars of income,
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Speaker 2: you could get to about half the homes in the
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Speaker 2: Australian market, not homes for sale, but available homes right
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Speaker 2: across the board in terms of valuation. Not a surprise.
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Speaker 2: It is the most unaffordable place in the country, but
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Speaker 2: plenty of other states aren't far behind. I mean, this,
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Speaker 2: along with cost of living, will define the election.
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Speaker 10: Well, it all ties in, doesn't it, Because people can't
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Speaker 10: afford to get into the into homes, into the housing market,
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Speaker 10: into the rental market. They can't. That is suffering huge
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Speaker 10: financial stress from their mortgages and interest rates not coming down,
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Speaker 10: their rents are going up. It all ties into cost
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Speaker 10: of living and what is the government doing about it.
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Speaker 10: I mean, those statistics are even more terrifying when you
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Speaker 10: consider that it was only four years ago in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 10: that those same one hundred thousand dollars income earners, those
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Speaker 10: middle income owners could afford fifty percent of homes on
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Speaker 10: the market back then. Look at now ten percent in
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Speaker 10: just four years. That's crazy. But when we look at
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Speaker 10: what Labor's actually doing to address this crisis, well, it's
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Speaker 10: promised to build what one point two million homes in
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Speaker 10: the next three and a half years. It's on track
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Speaker 10: not to be able to fulfill that promise.
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Speaker 2: It's got its.
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Speaker 10: Homes for Australia Plan. That there's concerns over that, how
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Speaker 10: slow it is, how complex, the fact that so much
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Speaker 10: funding is going towards just having more reviews and more
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Speaker 10: bureaucrats instead of where the money's really needed. So I
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Speaker 10: think ultimately it is going to be a huge issue
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Speaker 10: when it comes to voters going to the poll and
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Speaker 10: if they can't polls and effic they can't come up
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Speaker 10: with some better plans and policies to tackle this, then
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Speaker 10: they really are going to pay a heavy price.
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Speaker 2: Just a quick one on the electoral reforms that are
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Speaker 2: sitting in the Parliament. Trudy, what's the latest there, because
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Speaker 2: I suspect they want them through this side of Christmas.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they just passed the House, I believe Peter before
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Speaker 6: I came on here. So they're off to the Senate
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Speaker 6: next week. Peter Dutton and Anthony Abeneasy, I believe actually
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Speaker 6: doing the negotiating on part of this. In terms of
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Speaker 6: getting it through. Labour wants this through before Christmas and
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Speaker 6: they're running out of time. There's a whole series of
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Speaker 6: restrictions on how much people can donate, how much political
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Speaker 6: parties can spend. We've seen the fight between the major
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Speaker 6: parties and the Teals. The Teals believe this is a
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Speaker 6: major party stitch up. If you believe the major parties
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Speaker 6: they say this is about getting big money out of politics.
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Speaker 6: But there still be plenty of money splashing around. But crucially,
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Speaker 6: these changes, it seems, will get through next week. They
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Speaker 6: don't apply to the next election. It's for the election
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Speaker 6: after that before this will kick in.
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Speaker 5: Aha.
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Speaker 2: Well that's an important point to make. Thank you both.
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Speaker 2: Tuning in Caroline. A little earlier today, as we just discussed,
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer delivered an updated economic statement to the House.
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Speaker 2: Now it comes ahead of the mid year Economic and
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Speaker 2: Fiscal Outlook. It's often referred to as my EFO that's
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Speaker 2: due in mid December. Now, what's interesting here is in
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Speaker 2: part what the Treasurer said about the fiscal state of things,
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Speaker 2: about the budget and the economy more broadly, inflation in particular,
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Speaker 2: but also what I think this statement tells us about
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Speaker 2: the likelihood of an early election. My next guest knows
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Speaker 2: something about the economy and elections, having served both treasure
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Speaker 2: Repeater Costello and former Prime Minister John Howard. DPG Advisory
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Speaker 2: Solutions founder and director David Gazard joins me. Now, well, David,
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Speaker 2: I think I'll get into the campaign point in the environment,
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Speaker 2: but let's start with a treasure statement to the House.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of the content in terms of
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Speaker 2: economic headwinds and our overall budget position.
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Speaker 8: Two things, Peter, and thanks for having me on. The
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Speaker 8: first was to say to his colleagues don't expect big
20:43
Speaker 8: expenditure items out of the mid year and economic and
20:46
Speaker 8: fiscal outlook in December, which will be I think become
20:51
Speaker 8: a de facto mini budget for this government, because I
20:54
Speaker 8: don't think they're going to have a budget next year.
20:56
Speaker 8: In fact, I think this will be the last two
20:58
Speaker 8: weeks of the sitting year, and this than the sitting calendar,
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Speaker 8: so we'll be an election before we bring the House back.
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Speaker 8: The other thing I think was to say to the
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Speaker 8: Reserve Bank of Australia, the economy in our perspective is
21:10
Speaker 8: slowing faster than we thought.
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Speaker 7: Demand is less.
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Speaker 8: Our trading partners are suffering their own headwinds, and joblessness
21:22
Speaker 8: is rising.
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Speaker 7: You can afford to cut interest rates.
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Speaker 8: That's the subtext to he was sending to the Reserve
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Speaker 8: Bank Governor Michelle Bullock, hoping to get an interest rate
21:32
Speaker 8: cut before they go to the polls next year.
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Speaker 2: It comes close, I reckon to jaw voting the governor,
21:40
Speaker 2: but she's been pretty firm and underlying inflation. He keeps
21:44
Speaker 2: talking up the metric of headline inflation. What's the chances
21:49
Speaker 2: do you think that he'll get what he wants to?
21:51
Speaker 2: He'll get a February or March rate cut.
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Speaker 7: Well, there's enormous pressure on the Reserve Bank.
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Speaker 8: But as you correctly note, the governor has been good
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Speaker 8: at stearing the treasure down. I mean, her job, and
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Speaker 8: she's been quite open about this, is to keep inflation
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Speaker 8: in a band between two and three percent. The government
22:12
Speaker 8: actually sets that band with the Reserve Bank governor in
22:15
Speaker 8: the Statement of Monetary Policy. They can change that, they
22:18
Speaker 8: can agree to any variation on that if they want.
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Speaker 8: If Jim Chalmers wanted an interest rate cut, he could
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Speaker 8: vary that band. He hasn't done so, so it's effectively
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Speaker 8: like saying, I'm giving you the job to keep inflation
22:31
Speaker 8: in that band, but I don't want you to keep
22:34
Speaker 8: inflation in that band because they want an interest rate cut.
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Speaker 8: So she's been set up with an impossible task and
22:38
Speaker 8: she's saying, well, I'm doing the job you've given me,
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Speaker 8: and she's been very good at doing that. If the
22:43
Speaker 8: economy does slow, there'll be more reasons for them to
22:47
Speaker 8: cut rates. They will meet twice before. If there's an
22:51
Speaker 8: April pole, it gives the bank a chance to come
22:54
Speaker 8: together and review rates twice, so that may factor into
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister's mind in terms of the election timing
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Speaker 8: next year. But she has basically said, I see through
23:05
Speaker 8: these measures that you're doing around energy pricing. We are
23:08
Speaker 8: focused on core inflation, not the headline rate. And she's
23:12
Speaker 8: stuck to her guns on that, and good on her.
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Speaker 2: I've been saying for some time that they will not
23:18
Speaker 2: go to a May election, right See, you and I
23:19
Speaker 2: are on the same page. I'm also skeptical of a
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Speaker 2: March budget because we already know it in the forward estimates.
23:26
Speaker 2: It's ready in as far as the eye can see.
23:28
Speaker 2: So why having got these two what I call accidental
23:32
Speaker 2: surpluses under their belt because of high commodity prices, why
23:36
Speaker 2: hang around to mid March to deliver four years of
23:40
Speaker 2: bad news? And have that been basically their epitaph going
23:44
Speaker 2: into the campaign. The longer they leave the coalition there,
23:48
Speaker 2: if you look at the trend in the polls, the
23:50
Speaker 2: more likely the coalition's going to move from a potential
23:52
Speaker 2: minority government position to a majority government position. What do
23:58
Speaker 2: you think the timing is likely to be.
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Speaker 7: I would definitely go earlier. I'm with you one hundred
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Speaker 7: percent on that, Peter.
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Speaker 8: If you do have a budget next year, all that
24:09
Speaker 8: does is crystallize the size of a deficit. I think
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Speaker 8: Albanezi is absolutely keen to go and say we delivered
24:15
Speaker 8: two surpluses in our last term, and they'd be hoping
24:19
Speaker 8: that the Bank would cut rates, if not once, but
24:22
Speaker 8: twice before they go in, possibly April, and that would
24:26
Speaker 8: be a great scenario for them.
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Speaker 7: The longer you go, the more you're hostage to fortune.
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Speaker 8: You're quite right, the trend rate in the polls has
24:35
Speaker 8: been heading Dutton's way, So the longer you go there,
24:38
Speaker 8: the more leeway you give Peter Dutton in terms of
24:40
Speaker 8: hunting you down and increasing his lead. You've got to
24:43
Speaker 8: remember that the Coalition leads in a primary sense, they
24:47
Speaker 8: lead in a two party preferred sense, and Peter Gutney's
24:50
Speaker 8: Duttony is almost level on preferred PM. That is the
24:52
Speaker 8: trifecta of political disasters in terms of your in terms
24:57
Speaker 8: of your caucus. The other thing I think is if
25:00
Speaker 8: if you bring the parliament back, it does give the
25:02
Speaker 8: opportunity to the caucus to move on you as a leader.
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Speaker 8: Now I don't think they intend to do that at
25:07
Speaker 8: this stage, but the longer it goes, the more the
25:11
Speaker 8: Prime Minister would be aware that that chance is greater
25:15
Speaker 8: if you can't arrest his slide in the polls.
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Speaker 2: I've made the point about these emissions targets for the
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five target due and it's a legislative requirement
25:25
Speaker 2: in February, and they'll have new sectral pain, so it
25:29
Speaker 2: won't just be energy pain, it'll be paying for agriculture,
25:32
Speaker 2: paying for transport. Why deliver those Why sevent even more
25:37
Speaker 2: household cost of living crises? But push that to one side.
25:40
Speaker 2: This is something that I need insiders like you and
25:42
Speaker 2: I will think about. But if they don't have a
25:47
Speaker 2: March budget, the only figures the coalition has to cost
25:52
Speaker 2: up all their policies, and of course they don't have
25:54
Speaker 2: a public service. They've got much more smaller staff resources
26:00
Speaker 2: is what they're going to get. In my EPHO, they
26:02
Speaker 2: have to wait until what is it, ten days past
26:05
Speaker 2: the ritz to get the PIFO. You know, the pre
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Speaker 2: election fiscal outlook so much harder job for the opposition.
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Speaker 2: That's another reason not to have that budget.
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Speaker 7: No, that's absolutely right.
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Speaker 8: The MAIPO numbers will probably stand as the official numbers
26:24
Speaker 8: going into an early election.
26:25
Speaker 7: The other wild card in this.
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Speaker 8: Peter as well is the inauguration of Donald Trump as
26:32
Speaker 8: President of the United States. And you know the fact
26:37
Speaker 8: that almost anything could occur between now and that date
26:41
Speaker 8: and following after that, and with relations at a low
26:44
Speaker 8: level with the government at the moment, how but easy
26:49
Speaker 8: could be horrendously exposed by circumstances in the US.
26:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly if Trump moves on climate change, if he's
26:59
Speaker 2: tough on China, all of things. Of course, the Prime
27:01
Speaker 2: Minister is just quickly. We talked about the polls a
27:04
Speaker 2: moment ago. The betting markets have moved absolutely in the
27:08
Speaker 2: coalition's favor, their favorite to win the next election, well
27:12
Speaker 2: ahead of Labor. Do you place much store in that.
27:17
Speaker 8: Well, I'm a believer in the benefits of incumbency, and
27:21
Speaker 8: of course, if you're a student of history, you would
27:22
Speaker 8: realize that since Federation there has only been one one
27:26
Speaker 8: term government, and that was the skull And government in
27:28
Speaker 8: nineteen thirty one, so we haven't had a one term.
27:31
Speaker 7: Government for nearly one hundred years.
27:33
Speaker 8: That said, incumbency at the moment hasn't been a big
27:37
Speaker 8: advantage for modern governments. The rest of the democratic world
27:42
Speaker 8: is showing little patients with leaders around inflation and cost
27:45
Speaker 8: of living and Anthony Albinezi obviously isn't immune from that.
27:49
Speaker 7: There are factors obviously play.
27:52
Speaker 8: In the US that could switch over into over the Pacific,
27:57
Speaker 8: around workers feeling disempowered, you know, the whole trend towards
28:03
Speaker 8: sort of wokeness, which I think people are rejecting, although
28:06
Speaker 8: that that cuts across a whole range of areas. But
28:10
Speaker 8: people feeling disempowered, people feeling like the government's not sticking
28:14
Speaker 8: up for their issues, all of that could mean. And
28:17
Speaker 8: you're quite right, there's been a huge change in tempo
28:21
Speaker 8: around Canberra over the last of a while where people
28:23
Speaker 8: are starting to say, look, there's a possibility that Peter
28:27
Speaker 8: Dunton could win in majority, and I have not heard
28:30
Speaker 8: that at any time this term. I still think it's
28:32
Speaker 8: you know, it's going to be you've got to pick
28:35
Speaker 8: up a lot of seats to win a majority. It
28:37
Speaker 8: will be a minority government either way.
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Speaker 2: Wow, all right, well, I think you're pretty shrewd in
28:44
Speaker 2: all that analysis. Thank you very much, David Gazard. Right
28:47
Speaker 2: after the break, the global free speech advocate who's so
28:50
Speaker 2: concerned about Labour's proposed misinformation laws, has come all the
28:53
Speaker 2: way to Australia to implore Our MPs to reject this
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Speaker 2: bill plus attacks and in British farmers to the wall
29:01
Speaker 2: and there's at risk of coming here. Welcome back to
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Speaker 2: the Colm Kevin RD breaks cover says he's ready to
29:13
Speaker 2: engage with the second Trump administration. Question is do they
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Speaker 2: want anything to do with heavy Kevy But first Labour's
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Speaker 2: disastrous misinformation bill that is intent on passing into law
29:24
Speaker 2: before the end of year. Already it's through the House.
29:27
Speaker 2: We can only hope sanity prevails in the Senate and
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Speaker 2: it is blocked. Despite a truncated consultation period with stakeholders
29:34
Speaker 2: barely given a week to comment on a really complex legislation.
29:39
Speaker 2: The outpouring of concerns being immenseed and cuts across the
29:42
Speaker 2: political divide. Even left leading groups like the Victorian Bar
29:46
Speaker 2: Association and the Human Rights Commission have expressed concern. But
29:50
Speaker 2: the reach of this bill has not just alarmed experts
29:53
Speaker 2: in Australia overseas, Australia is making headlines for all the
29:58
Speaker 2: wrong reasons. Guest is Michael Shellenberger, a leading free speech advocate,
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Speaker 2: Chair of Politics, Censorship and Free Speech at the University
30:07
Speaker 2: of Austin as well as an award winning journalist and author.
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Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say. Michael joins me now from camera. Well,
30:15
Speaker 2: I know why you're in camera. You're in the belly
30:17
Speaker 2: of the beast, and I hope you're doing good work.
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Speaker 2: Are you getting a fair hearing Michael Shellenberger from the
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Speaker 2: MPs about this legislation.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's great to be with you. Yeah.
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Speaker 11: I mean, the Senator is that we've been meeting with
30:32
Speaker 11: and members of the House of Representatives are very concerned
30:35
Speaker 11: about this legislation, and with good reason. It's extremely, extremely radical.
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Speaker 11: I mean, people have to remember that we have a
30:42
Speaker 11: really good solution to misinformation, which is free speech. That's
30:47
Speaker 11: the only way we know how to combat misinformation is
30:50
Speaker 11: to talk back to it. If you censor so called misinformation,
30:55
Speaker 11: then you disallow the kind of conversation that's required for
30:58
Speaker 11: people to learn about things. This legislation would give the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister extraordinary powers to essentially criminalize anything he wants
31:06
Speaker 11: to criminalize, including what's so called misleading information, which would
31:11
Speaker 11: be information that.
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Speaker 5: People might get the wrong idea about what to do with.
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Speaker 11: But it would criminalize satire, humor, sarcasm, jokes. I think
31:20
Speaker 11: it's a very I've never seen anything quite like it.
31:23
Speaker 11: It's a shocking piece of legislation.
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Speaker 2: How does it sit against what's happening around the world.
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's one of the most extreme things we've seen.
31:35
Speaker 11: I mean, we saw in Ireland there was a piece
31:37
Speaker 11: of legislation that would have allowed the police to go
31:40
Speaker 11: into people's homes and read what's on their phones and computers.
31:44
Speaker 5: In Brazil we've seen the.
31:46
Speaker 11: Supreme Court Justice, the Supreme Court Justice ban people entirely
31:51
Speaker 11: from social media. This legislation, though here in Australia, would
31:55
Speaker 11: allow for criminalizing so many different things. A speech that
32:00
Speaker 11: supposedly creates harm, that's misinformation, that's misleading. Essentially, it gives
32:06
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister total power, total power.
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Speaker 5: To criminalize anything he dislikes.
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Speaker 11: And like I mentioned, I think it would have a
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Speaker 11: huge impact on people just trying to make a joke.
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Speaker 11: And in fact, the Prime Minister himself raise the concern
32:18
Speaker 11: about memes that attached his head as sort of a
32:22
Speaker 11: cartoonish way to other figures.
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Speaker 5: He raised that as a concern.
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Speaker 11: It shows a kind of thin skinned nature of politicians
32:30
Speaker 11: that they would want to censor jokes about them. I
32:32
Speaker 11: think if you can't take that kind of humor, then
32:34
Speaker 11: you have no business being in politics.
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Speaker 2: One of the concerns I have with the legislation is
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Speaker 2: it's got all these overt If it passes overt controls
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Speaker 2: using AKMA, which is the media regulator, to get material
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Speaker 2: taken down, and then heavy finds on big tech if
32:53
Speaker 2: they don't do that, it'll lead I think to I
32:57
Speaker 2: guess less action required of the regulator, but big tech,
33:02
Speaker 2: you risk adverse big tech taking down information or taking
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Speaker 2: down posts in the event that they're worried that they'll
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Speaker 2: get fined, that they'll self center. So there's an overt
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Speaker 2: control in the legislation, but there's a covert power in
33:17
Speaker 2: it that they will just get rid of everything that
33:20
Speaker 2: they are uncomfortable about. And we've seen this with COVID obviously, Michael.
33:24
Speaker 2: But in Australia last year would we debated a race
33:28
Speaker 2: based amendment to the Australian Constitution. How fortunately it was defeated.
33:34
Speaker 2: Programs like mine that argued against this referendum vote. We
33:40
Speaker 2: were disappeared from the Internet. Now fortunately we've got an
33:42
Speaker 2: army of lawyers here at Sky News and they got
33:45
Speaker 2: my content back online. But if this legislation had been
33:49
Speaker 2: in place, I'm not so sure we would have won
33:52
Speaker 2: that debate. I'm not so sure that content would have
33:54
Speaker 2: stayed on air.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's important to remember that the worst cases
34:02
Speaker 11: of misinformation over the last several years was government misinformation.
34:06
Speaker 11: The government said that COVID came from a wet market
34:11
Speaker 11: in China. Now most intelligence agencies in the United States
34:14
Speaker 11: think it escaped from a lab.
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Speaker 5: That was being censored.
34:18
Speaker 11: We also saw claims by the government and the pharmaceutical
34:21
Speaker 11: companies that COVID vaccine would prevent the infection of COVID
34:25
Speaker 11: and the transmission that turned out to be false. Look,
34:28
Speaker 11: I think the fact of the matter is that we
34:30
Speaker 11: discover the truth through dialogue, through debate.
34:34
Speaker 5: And that's what this would criminalize.
34:35
Speaker 11: I mean, you see, for example, there's a very important
34:38
Speaker 11: debate to be had around whether biological males should be
34:41
Speaker 11: allowed to compete in female sports or go into female restrooms,
34:46
Speaker 11: or whether or not children should be we should block
34:48
Speaker 11: their puberty through puberty blockers or through surgeries. These are
34:52
Speaker 11: very big controversial issues. The proposed legislation would allow that
34:56
Speaker 11: entire debate to be censored. According to the particular agi
35:00
Speaker 11: end is of whoever's in power. So I think we
35:02
Speaker 11: have to remember that. You know, our democracy depends on
35:04
Speaker 11: freedom of speech. Scientific progress depends on freedom of speech,
35:09
Speaker 11: and what you're seeing in Australia is one of the
35:11
Speaker 11: greatest assaults on freedom of speech that we've seen in
35:14
Speaker 11: this century.
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Speaker 2: Do you have any sense how the vote might go.
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Speaker 11: Well, look, I mean the senators that I've talked to
35:23
Speaker 11: are very optimistic that they're going to win. Apparently every
35:26
Speaker 11: senator on the cross bench, the non aligned senators, are
35:31
Speaker 11: against it. I met with one senator yesterday, Senator Van
35:34
Speaker 11: who said that he would vote against it. I do
35:37
Speaker 11: hope that it does come for a vote so that
35:39
Speaker 11: the voters who are in the senators who are in
35:41
Speaker 11: supportive freedom of speech, are able to register their commitment
35:44
Speaker 11: for freedom of speech, and those senators who want censorship
35:47
Speaker 11: are also on the record defending censorship, because I think
35:50
Speaker 11: that's a vote that people will really remember and it
35:53
Speaker 11: will really last for years, particularly younger voters who don't
35:56
Speaker 11: want to be censored online and they want to be
35:58
Speaker 11: able to hear what they want to hear. I think
36:00
Speaker 11: they'll remember that it will be quite a lasting legacy,
36:03
Speaker 11: either for the better or for the worst, depending on
36:04
Speaker 11: how they vote.
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Speaker 2: I'm look provious to me not to ask you now
36:09
Speaker 2: that we've got a new president elect, but what's free
36:12
Speaker 2: speech going to look like after the twentieth of January.
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Speaker 11: You know, look, President Trump was banned from Twitter before
36:22
Speaker 11: Elon Musk bought it. I think he's been affected personally.
36:25
Speaker 11: Few people have been censored more than Bobby Kennedy, who
36:29
Speaker 11: President elect Trump would like to head up our major
36:33
Speaker 11: health agencies. You know, we've seen Elon Musk is a
36:37
Speaker 11: big supporter of free speech. He's backed President elect Trump.
36:40
Speaker 11: So I'm very optimistic that President elect Trump will dismantle
36:44
Speaker 11: and defund the censorship industrial complex and the thought police.
36:49
Speaker 11: You know, one of the expressions that Elon Musk has
36:52
Speaker 11: made here is we need to make orwell history again.
36:56
Speaker 11: Anybody who has read nineteen eighty four will be shocked
36:59
Speaker 11: to see so much of what's taking place in that
37:01
Speaker 11: dystopian novel occurring in real life. It's like a black
37:05
Speaker 11: mirror episode. The effort here by the governments of the world.
37:08
Speaker 11: And it's not just Australia, it's in Canada, it's and Britain.
37:12
Speaker 11: It's in the European Union. It's to control what we think.
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Speaker 11: It's a kind of mind control. They want to control
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Speaker 11: the entire information environment. They not only want to censor us,
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Speaker 11: they also want to teach our children that there's only
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Speaker 11: some acceptable sources of information, always government approved sources of information.
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Speaker 11: This is anathema to the people who created our countries
37:33
Speaker 11: several hundred years ago, Australia, the United States. They knew
37:37
Speaker 11: that freedom of speech was the essence of having a
37:39
Speaker 11: democratic system, and of having scientific progress, of having free markets.
37:44
Speaker 11: We're not going to survive as a civilization if we
37:47
Speaker 11: allow our governments to decide in advance what's true and
37:50
Speaker 11: false before there's a chance to really weigh the evidence
37:53
Speaker 11: and have those debates.
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Speaker 2: I'm really glad we ended up at that point, Michael,
37:58
Speaker 2: because I don't think enough people in Australia in particular
38:02
Speaker 2: understand this is part of a global push. This misinformation
38:06
Speaker 2: disinformation campaign is being pushed right around the world in
38:11
Speaker 2: democracies like ours. All the best with your negotiations. I'll
38:14
Speaker 2: let you get back to it. Thanks for joining me,
38:17
Speaker 2: all right, Art the break Chris Bowen makes us a
38:19
Speaker 2: global lagged when it comes to next generation nuclear research.
38:23
Speaker 2: We'll get into that. Plus, despite calling him a billy vidiot,
38:26
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd says, go work with Johnald Trump. See what
38:29
Speaker 2: Trump thinks about that. Okoy, back, it's a Wednesday. Cal
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Speaker 2: Richards will come up in a moment, but we'll go
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Speaker 2: to the panel and we'll go to the panel. On
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Speaker 2: this decision by Chris Bowen to reject an invitation to
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Speaker 2: join a nuclear energy pack. Peter Dunton, slamming labor over
38:48
Speaker 2: this decision as he should, says it's making us an
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Speaker 2: international embarrassment. Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd says it's raising
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Speaker 2: concerns that this decision will save attage, our involvement and
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Speaker 2: next generation nuclear research at a time when the rest
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Speaker 2: of the world's embracing it. Let's bring in the panel
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Speaker 2: Environment Minister, Shadow Environment Minister Jonathan Dunniam and the wonderful
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Speaker 2: broadcaster Lucy Zelig. Well, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 7: John.
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Speaker 2: Just just on, I think John is being set up
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Speaker 2: losing just on this issue of nuclear How damaging do
39:21
Speaker 2: you think it is so damaging?
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Speaker 12: And I think we just continue to embarrass ourselves. As
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton has rightfully said on the world stage with
39:29
Speaker 12: respect to this, I mean you only have to cast
39:31
Speaker 12: your mind back to COP twenty eight, coming up to
39:34
Speaker 12: close to this time last year, where we had over
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Speaker 12: thirty nations commit to tripling their commitment, you know, tripling
39:42
Speaker 12: their commitment to you know, to nuclear energy, and that
39:45
Speaker 12: was a declaration that so many of these powerful economies
39:49
Speaker 12: were getting behind and Australia is desperately lagging in this situation.
39:53
Speaker 12: I mean, Peter, what we're really seeing with respect to
39:55
Speaker 12: this issue, and I've seen this commentary kind of bandit
39:58
Speaker 12: about quite regularly on this so object in this past
40:00
Speaker 12: week alone, is that this particular issue is being politicized
40:04
Speaker 12: over progress. And it concerns me greatly because I think
40:08
Speaker 12: a Australia is going to get left behind, and b
40:11
Speaker 12: we're in a situation where this is becoming more about
40:14
Speaker 12: our politics and this commitment to this, you know, this
40:18
Speaker 12: infatuation that the left side of government have with climate
40:22
Speaker 12: change and green energy and all of this sort of
40:24
Speaker 12: stuff and renewable energy, which we've seen thanks to our
40:27
Speaker 12: colleague at Skyne News, Chris Yulman and his documentary overnight,
40:31
Speaker 12: that it's not going to be the.
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Speaker 2: Most afrelevant point.
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Speaker 12: And it's really concerned a how to ask. It's going
40:38
Speaker 12: to be, you know, a very divided nation come the election.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, laugh said John. I've got to ask
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Speaker 2: you because I know you've just sat down in a chair.
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Speaker 2: You were coming to us, because quite properly, you're in
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Speaker 2: the chamber speaking to the motion that you have sent
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Speaker 2: at a price, are moving and you hope that you'll
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Speaker 2: get up this inquiry or go to a vote tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: But you want all of these cultural heritage laws. We're
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Speaker 2: seeing it with Mount Rapolies, We've seen it with Mount
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Speaker 2: Warning and others. You are an urgent inquiry into these
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Speaker 2: I can't even call them processes. I mean their laws
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Speaker 2: in some states tell us more.
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Speaker 13: Yes so, and I apologize for being late. I hate
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Speaker 13: being late for anything, but it was for a good reason.
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Speaker 13: And as you say, we've just concluded debate will divide
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Speaker 13: on it tomorrow, so we'll have a vote on it tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: And as you would.
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Speaker 13: Expect, Labor and the Greens are opposing this. Now, this
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Speaker 13: is just an inquiry. And let's not forget Labour promised
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Speaker 13: that ahead of the last election we'd have new cultural
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Speaker 13: heritage laws in this country by the end of this term,
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Speaker 13: we don't, and we are seeing these decisions like the
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Speaker 13: one we saw with the mcfillumy's gold mine, where, of
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Speaker 13: course the billion dollar gold mine, eight hundred jobs goes
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Speaker 13: begging because of frankly, some of the most ridiculous, outdated
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Speaker 13: laws that I have seen in a very long time. Now,
41:55
Speaker 13: the emotive language that you see from people like the
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Speaker 13: Greens who say this will open up the floodgate for
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Speaker 13: conspiracy theories and in these racially loaded terms, whitewash cultural
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Speaker 13: heritage laws and drill into the soul of traditional loaners.
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Speaker 13: I mean, it was just mad. It's an inquiry to
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Speaker 13: look at the laws state and federal, see how they're
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Speaker 13: broken and how they can be fixed. We're trying to
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Speaker 13: do what the government won't so that we don't see
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Speaker 13: a repeat of these disastrous decisions at a state and
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Speaker 13: federal level happening all over the place.
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Speaker 2: Lucie, you're out in the real world. I want a
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Speaker 2: real world check on this. Bunning's on the fire today
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Speaker 2: for using facial recognition technology in the stores. People may
42:36
Speaker 2: not realize this, they often wear a camera on their apron.
42:39
Speaker 2: You know, you get to the checkout, you make a payment,
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Speaker 2: they're photographing you, they're analyzing your face. If you've breached
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Speaker 2: the treatment of their staff in some way and you're
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Speaker 2: on a band list, that will ring a bell. But
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Speaker 2: basically we're all being photographed and our images are being stored.
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Speaker 2: Bunning says, well, we think this is really important about
42:59
Speaker 2: protecting our staff. Other people are saying no, this goes
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Speaker 2: well beyond protecting your staff. Where are sip I see
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Speaker 2: with this.
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Speaker 12: Is pretty scandalous, and the reason for that being if
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Speaker 12: they didn't have any ill intentions and the motivations were,
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Speaker 12: which I genuinely believe at the core of this, it
43:16
Speaker 12: was about, you know, trying to stamp out crime and theft,
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Speaker 12: which they've seen an uptick in, and to try and
43:21
Speaker 12: stay on top of this and to police that and
43:23
Speaker 12: to also protect their stuff. If those were the genuine motivations,
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Speaker 12: and then there was nothing sinister behind it, let your
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Speaker 12: customers know. And that's why the Privacy Commissioner has had
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Speaker 12: to get involved to say that you have effectively breached
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Speaker 12: this and you've started to collect this very important data
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Speaker 12: without the consent of the customers.
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Speaker 2: And without letting them know.
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Speaker 12: Now, in this AI technology riddled world that we're now
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Speaker 12: entering into, and the fact that we're also seeing so
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Speaker 12: many you know, very encrypted and privatized and very highly
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Speaker 12: secure business is being hacked. What's to say that despite
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Speaker 12: the fact that they have this data for less than
43:55
Speaker 12: a blink of an eye, that someone couldn't hack into
43:57
Speaker 12: their system and retrieve this data and use it with
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Speaker 12: mal intent. I mean, it's really concerning. Another concerning aspect
44:05
Speaker 12: to this is also the fact that they haven't been
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Speaker 12: fined over it, and that they being asked to kind
44:09
Speaker 12: of reconsider their position on this. You know, at the
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Speaker 12: end of the day, I think that the customers deserve
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Speaker 12: to know this. This is an organization by the way
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Speaker 12: that he's earning billions in profits and they could afford
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Speaker 12: to pay a fine over this. And I still think
44:21
Speaker 12: that they should be made to pay a fine over this.
44:23
Speaker 12: But again, very concerning, and I think that the customers
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Speaker 12: have a right to know.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go to the UK farmers there
44:32
Speaker 2: are protesting against an inheritance tax that's coming in and
44:36
Speaker 2: a lifted exemption that had previously existed for family farms.
44:41
Speaker 2: A lot of concern that small farms in particular were
44:44
Speaker 2: forced to sell off land to cover the costs, and
44:46
Speaker 2: that will threaten food security. Jeremy Clarkson, you'll know him well.
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Speaker 2: He's joined the protest on the streets of London and
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Speaker 2: had this to say.
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Speaker 5: I beg of the government.
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Speaker 9: To be beg to accept that this was rushed through,
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Speaker 9: it wasn't brought out and it's a mistake.
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Speaker 5: That's the big thing to do. Admit it and back down.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's hundreds of thousands of people these protests.
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Speaker 10: John.
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Speaker 2: We know the holy grail of the left around the
45:18
Speaker 2: world is inheritance taxes, is death taxes. This will come
45:23
Speaker 2: to Australia if we're not careful, particularly in the age
45:27
Speaker 2: of climate change.
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Speaker 13: You've got to pay for your zealotry somehow. And as
45:33
Speaker 13: you say, they love this idea because it gets everyone
45:37
Speaker 13: ultimately except those who leave this planet with nothing to
45:42
Speaker 13: their name, which is probably where their socialist agenda really
45:45
Speaker 13: wants to take us. But I mean the fact that
45:48
Speaker 13: they want to do this to farmers, the people that
45:51
Speaker 13: are supposed to feed us. And we're doing all of
45:53
Speaker 13: these things to try and make it easier to farm here,
45:55
Speaker 13: to grow more food here. So we're importing less and
45:58
Speaker 13: it's the same in the UK. These protests is just
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Speaker 13: mad policy where they don't look beyond the end of
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Speaker 13: their arm to see what impact there would be with
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Speaker 13: these laws they're enacting. So good on the farmers, Good
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Speaker 13: on Jeremy Clarkson for lending his weight to this. I
46:12
Speaker 13: hope that Albow takes note because I bet you it's
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Speaker 13: in their bottom drawer, especially if there's a labor Green
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Speaker 13: government after the election. I reckon this is on their
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Speaker 13: list of things to do.
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Speaker 2: You are not wrong so many of the policies, as
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Speaker 2: you and I both know that labor implements in Australia
46:27
Speaker 2: have their genesis coming out of the UK labor movement.
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Speaker 2: All right, well leave it there, Thank you, Lucy, Thank
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Speaker 2: you John O. Get back in the Senate. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you've got plenty to do tonight. At kel Richard's after break,
46:43
Speaker 2: my dear friend cal Richard joins me. Now, Kel getting
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Speaker 2: it straight into it at noon. Now, I didn't even
46:49
Speaker 2: have any idea about this one. Denise wants to know
46:52
Speaker 2: the origin of noon.
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Speaker 4: It comes from the Latin word for nome. Originally it
46:58
Speaker 4: was known a horror the ninth, which was calculated by
47:02
Speaker 4: the Romans from sunrise at sunrise, say six o'clock in
47:06
Speaker 4: the morning. Nine hours after that is three o'clock in
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Speaker 4: the afternoon. So there was a time in the early
47:10
Speaker 4: Middle Ages when if you said noon, you meant three pm.
47:15
Speaker 4: Now the reason is in the ninth hour is when
47:18
Speaker 4: Christ died on the cross. So there was a church service,
47:21
Speaker 4: a canonical hour, as they used to call it, a
47:24
Speaker 4: prayer service in every monastery and convent at three o'clock
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Speaker 4: in the afternoon, which was the noon service to mark
47:30
Speaker 4: that moment. That slowly changed over mind that over time,
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Speaker 4: The best guess they have is what happened was they
47:36
Speaker 4: started to apply the name of that prayer service at
47:40
Speaker 4: three o'clock to the meal beforehand. It became the noon,
47:43
Speaker 4: and it got a bit earlier and earlier. So between
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Speaker 4: the thirteenth and fifteenth centuries, noon shifted from three pm
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Speaker 4: to twelve midday, which is how we've got what we've
47:52
Speaker 4: got today.
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Speaker 2: I do love noon. There's no sure way to discombobulate
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Speaker 2: anyone under the age fifty then use the term noon
48:02
Speaker 2: or fortnite, and I don't want a fortnite is either. Hey,
48:05
Speaker 2: Sarah wants to know where hiss if it comes from
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Speaker 2: what's a hissy fit? Where's that come from?
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Speaker 4: A bit of American slang recorded nineteen sixty seven. The
48:13
Speaker 4: hiss part comes from the sound made by an angry cat,
48:15
Speaker 4: the fit part from the medical term to have a fit,
48:19
Speaker 4: and it's obviously a temper tantrum. The thing I really like, Peter,
48:23
Speaker 4: is that almost every dictionary I looked at added the
48:25
Speaker 4: word childish. So if you're looking at the Democrats in
48:29
Speaker 4: America and they're having hissy fits, remember it means being childish.
48:35
Speaker 2: And what about firebrand? Adam wants to know. This is
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Speaker 2: another US one. I suppose.
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Speaker 4: Firebrand started off literally to mean a piece of wood
48:43
Speaker 4: which was used to stoke a fire, light a fire,
48:46
Speaker 4: carry flame somewhere, and then started being used metaphorically figuratively
48:50
Speaker 4: to mean someone who did that kind of thing, someone
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Speaker 4: who stirred up a blaze, who fired up people, And
48:56
Speaker 4: so it came to be applied to political agitators. So
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Speaker 4: from the actual literal stick of wood to the person
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Speaker 4: who fired up a mob of people as a political
49:06
Speaker 4: agitator transferred sense.
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Speaker 2: Now we've got some more, but I might leave them
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Speaker 2: for next week. Where can people go to give us
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Speaker 2: some more words as.
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Speaker 5: What are you?
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Speaker 2: They are so smart. We'll come to home and host
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Speaker 2: and Inklean next week, but I want some more words.
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Speaker 2: Have a good week. We'll speak to you next week.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's it for me. See tomorrow night at six.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Bolt.