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85 Mind-Speak and the Scan: The Truth about Mind-Speak and The Forest People · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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Speaker 1: Everybody, Welcome back to the show. This is episode eighty
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Speaker 1: five with Mels Kahan. He is a forestry expert who
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Speaker 1: worked for the Acaman Nation, which is also his tribe
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Speaker 1: in central Washington, and he details some of his experiences
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Speaker 1: with the Force people as he calls him or is
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Speaker 1: that they wish to be called, because he got that
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Speaker 1: information through mind speak. And he also had this joint
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Speaker 1: experience of being scanned while in the forest with some
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Speaker 1: friends of his. It's an interesting episode. Check it out.
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Speaker 1: enjoy this episode with one mister Melskahem. Hi, how are
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Speaker 1: you doing today? First of all, your short sleeve shirts on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is warm over here and I just
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Speaker 2: come up to do a check to see if you
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Speaker 2: were here, and I was supposed to go back down
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Speaker 2: and change my shirt.
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Speaker 1: But people can see that you've been working out, You're
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Speaker 1: still You're still doing what you're doing. You're still working
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Speaker 1: for the the the I think it was like some
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Speaker 1: type of forest like like you know, conservation or protection
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Speaker 1: agency for the for the First Nations people. Where you are?
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're are you still doing that?
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Speaker 2: I was a forester for the Force Rey technician force
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Speaker 2: treat worker for the uh My tribe, the accumination docummination sure,
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Speaker 2: for twenty seven years, but I have since left and
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Speaker 2: now working for the City of Everett as the arborists
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Speaker 2: there for the city.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're kind of like going around with you
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Speaker 1: a little what do they call it, a thing like
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Speaker 1: a cherry picker and making sure that there's no debris
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Speaker 1: on the roads and cleaning up around power lines and
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Speaker 1: parks and things like that. Or how's that going on? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get calls are sent out on situations where
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Speaker 2: if there's a problem, problematic tree that is bordering or
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Speaker 2: within a city of city streets or residential areas bordering
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Speaker 2: any of the many parks within the system.
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Speaker 1: Okay, do you actually do like those people do where
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Speaker 1: they climb up, because sometimes these trees are in tight
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Speaker 1: spots next to residential neighborhoods and actually climb up and
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Speaker 1: have the breaking system where they cut and it goes
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Speaker 1: down slowly and stops. Do you do that.
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Speaker 2: I've done that, yep, I've done that when I first started.
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Speaker 2: Crazy man, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, It's something that you
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Speaker 2: know when you're working for forestry out in the big
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Speaker 2: open spaces, you know, you could just drop the tree
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Speaker 2: right in that situation where you know, we get down
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Speaker 2: in one whole system. But here you've got so many
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Speaker 2: things like playgrounds, people, sidewalks, you know, all kinds of
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Speaker 2: hazards right where you you have to rope everything up
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Speaker 2: and or absolutely piece by piece.
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Speaker 1: I imagine you also have to put out some type
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Speaker 1: of like some type of notifications in advance saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: on this day, between this hour and this hour, we're
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Speaker 1: going to be doing something. Do you have things like
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Speaker 1: that too?
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Speaker 2: You have to do yes, yes, yes, we're going to
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Speaker 2: be working in in in public areas or or or
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Speaker 2: well traveled streets. Then we have to set up a
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Speaker 2: cone system, a traffic system.
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Speaker 1: Mexico and I'm like that. Mexico is like you find
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Speaker 1: out that day and duck yeah yeah, all right, man,
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Speaker 1: please do it. They're like it, please want again. You're
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Speaker 1: already on the show, but could you reintroduce yourself and
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Speaker 1: tell everybody a little bit about yourself? And I know
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Speaker 1: you're not really promoting anything, but if people want to
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Speaker 1: reach out to you for interviews about you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: your encounters and your or you know your insights where
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Speaker 1: they can reach you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Well I'm Melskahan and I'm glad to be back.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we had such a great time, and you know,
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Speaker 2: you said we kind of touched on surfaces of my
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Speaker 2: early days with the encounters that I was having while
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Speaker 2: working for Street throughout my previous career. And I'm a
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Speaker 2: member of the Yacama Nation, which is located in central Washington,
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Speaker 2: and I lived there probably about ninety percent of my
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Speaker 2: time before leaving and then going off to start my
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Speaker 2: career Forestreet, then coming back with the tribe, and then
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Speaker 2: now I have left retired and working for the City
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Speaker 2: of Everett. So and then my family, most of my
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Speaker 2: family is back home, and so I do travel back occasionally.
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Speaker 1: And so.
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Speaker 2: One thing that I do miss excuse me, one thing
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Speaker 2: I do miss about being on the reservation is being
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Speaker 2: able to go up into the woods because you know,
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Speaker 2: one point two million acres is as big as the
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Speaker 2: accummanation is and three quarters of that is forced it right.
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Speaker 2: I was the only researcher for the forest people collection
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Speaker 2: of stories.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, that's tell me a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: your about your about your your tribe, your culture. Do
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Speaker 1: you do you I don't, I know nothing. I'm I
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Speaker 1: plead ignorance. Could you tell me? Do you have your
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Speaker 1: own language, your own lore? You know?
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Speaker 2: Do you do?
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Speaker 1: You got? Are you guys you know passing that along
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Speaker 1: through the generations to make sure that this is being
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Speaker 1: maintained through into the younger generations into the future.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: We We have a long tradition of stories that have
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Speaker 2: been handed down to individuals, individual family units that have
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Speaker 2: passed and shared those in a collective in some literature
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Speaker 2: around the reservation. So you know, depending on that family's
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Speaker 2: connection with whatever they are speaking of goes back because
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Speaker 2: that was handed down to them, and not everybody's stories
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Speaker 2: are going to be the same. So, like I said,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a collective of a bunch of
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Speaker 2: legends and everything else that have been passed on and on.
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Speaker 2: And as for today, like I stated earlier, I'm the
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Speaker 2: only person. I was the only person that was collecting
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Speaker 2: all the stories during the events from nineteen ninety two
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Speaker 2: on up until like two thousand and twenty twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: two to twenty one, somewhere right in there. So in
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Speaker 2: that time that I was there as an adult, I
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Speaker 2: it was up to over twelve hundred stories of yots
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Speaker 2: and was able to you know, go out on I
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Speaker 2: would say at least half of those and take people.
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Speaker 2: They would take me out to the locations or I
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Speaker 2: would know by working out there where these events had happen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So, being a collector of these one thousand or
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Speaker 1: twelve hundred stories, what is the general the genuine like
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Speaker 1: general not genuine, the general like you know concept of
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Speaker 1: what you know what we would call from outsiders as
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Speaker 1: being a you know, big photoor sasquatch. What is the
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Speaker 1: general consensus in the Yakoma tribe of what they are
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Speaker 1: and what they're here, you know, why they're here and
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Speaker 1: what we don't understand about them, what or maybe what
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Speaker 1: they have taught.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have remained who they have throughout time, whereas
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Speaker 2: we as a try vibe or let's see how to
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Speaker 2: put this, as members of of of a tribe that
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Speaker 2: have been put it and taking care of over the
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Speaker 2: years from previous generations, have moved on to maintain uh
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Speaker 2: in modern time with electricity, with cars, you know, with
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Speaker 2: all the tools that we have today, losing losing ourselves
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Speaker 2: in the process of being out in the woods all
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Speaker 2: the time, relying on living off nature, talking to the
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Speaker 2: or talking to the trees, making sure everything was properly
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Speaker 2: taking care of. You know, we used to set the
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Speaker 2: fires for the berries at the end of the season
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Speaker 2: so that they would come back here after year. But
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Speaker 2: now the absence of fire, you know, you've got the
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Speaker 2: trees coming back in the competition of shading and taking
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Speaker 2: a lot of the water and nutrients from them. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, h and it's it's no fault of anybody
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Speaker 2: else other than just modern times where they're just so
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Speaker 2: scared of let's say, if you do start something out there,
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Speaker 2: will you be able to control it?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: You know? And but back then, you know, we used
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Speaker 2: to start them right after the fall. Well then you
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Speaker 2: had winter coming up, and then you relied on mother
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Speaker 2: nature to you know, extinguish those and so now you
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Speaker 2: can't do that anymore because there's there's there's a value
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Speaker 2: to everything out there, timber resources, you know all that,
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Speaker 2: and so you know, it's almost impossible to do that
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Speaker 2: unless you started and then have a certain anchorage that
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Speaker 2: you're going to try to maintain. Right, there's a huge
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Speaker 2: difference now compared to back then.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I think there's you know,
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Speaker 1: we're being pulled in two directions. I mean, just as
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Speaker 1: a species, not just the Yakoma tribe or you know,
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Speaker 1: you know Caucasian male people or you know natives. You know,
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Speaker 1: my my girlfriends also natives, you Mayan, so you know,
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Speaker 1: she's native here and they still have their own language
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Speaker 1: and their own culture, and they wear their own clothes
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Speaker 1: and food and it's all incredible and I love all
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Speaker 1: of it, honestly, very cool people. But I think that
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Speaker 1: we're being pulled in two directions. There's this you know,
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Speaker 1: where everyone is you know, completely being you know, looked
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Speaker 1: looking at a screen twenty four hours a day. But
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Speaker 1: we realize there's a lot of emptiness to that, and
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Speaker 1: that we're that's a part of us that feels that
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Speaker 1: we're being drawn back into the forest. And I think
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Speaker 1: that's also like a reason why a lot of people
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Speaker 1: are starting to reconnect to the forest people because they're
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Speaker 1: they've been there the whole time, and they're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is where it is. Guys, Like where we change
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Speaker 1: our environment, they adapted to their environment and somehow maybe
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Speaker 1: you know, did some technology of their own, whatever that
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Speaker 1: would be, you know that we would that is you know,
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Speaker 1: foreign to us, and I just think it's rather interesting.
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Speaker 1: So like so you're what do you say, for example,
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Speaker 1: you're giving me this, you know, the berries and the
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Speaker 1: burning that way. They come back to make sure are
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Speaker 1: you guys reinvigorating in your community these actions and this
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Speaker 1: this these you know, these concepts and uh practices that
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Speaker 1: are being lost or have been lost, are they starting
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Speaker 1: to be reinvigorated in the community.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean with the forestry program, that was the
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Speaker 2: number one thing that you know, we uh when the
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Speaker 2: boundaries were set. We had rivers, we had waterways, we
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Speaker 2: had a mountain, we had you know, uh sources that
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Speaker 2: our elders looked out for when establishing where they wanted
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Speaker 2: to be put. And so we you know, we got
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Speaker 2: to thank them for being you know, that knowledgeable of
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Speaker 2: the land their area to be able to you know,
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Speaker 2: be able to work with that. And then as time
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Speaker 2: came on, you know, the timberure industry started growing and
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Speaker 2: so that became a source of income for the tribe itself.
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Speaker 2: So then you you know, you had to go to
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Speaker 2: college and lower ecosystems and you know, being able to
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Speaker 2: write environmental assessment reports and you know all this and
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Speaker 2: just to try to maintain you know, what we have
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Speaker 2: out there. And so we got to thank our elders
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Speaker 2: for you know, put.
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Speaker 1: In communities that the Yeah, it's just like you know,
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Speaker 1: I think, like I think people who don't know anything
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Speaker 1: about that, they should know a little bit about it
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Speaker 1: at least not be completely ignorant to the situation that
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Speaker 1: you know, the First Nation people or you know, Indians
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Speaker 1: how we want to call them. Whatever word is you
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Speaker 1: know on the docket today for what people are upset
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Speaker 1: about or not, because it means in deals, so in God,
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Speaker 1: so it kind of you know, it's not so bad
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Speaker 1: of a word. But at the same time, you know,
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Speaker 1: people get up, especially nowadays, it's going to get better,
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Speaker 1: I hope. I think people are starting to see. It's like,
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Speaker 1: let's just kind of be cool with one another. But
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Speaker 1: this information needs to kind of be you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. Like sometimes some of the information is right
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Speaker 1: in your backyard and all you have to do is
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Speaker 1: just ask to people who've been there and they will
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Speaker 1: tell you about it and you will actually learn something
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Speaker 1: about it. I just think I think it's a good thing.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have pieces of a puzzle, you know, everywhere
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Speaker 2: that you know you go out to go and search
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Speaker 2: for that piece to put into your your existence so
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Speaker 2: that you could pass that on and show everybody else.
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Speaker 1: So so what is what do your what does your
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Speaker 1: tribe say about the things that you are now or
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Speaker 1: for the last I think what the twenty five thirty
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Speaker 1: years have been encountering on the reservation, what what what
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Speaker 1: have they been saying? What is the what is the
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Speaker 1: lore or what is the stories that have been told
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Speaker 1: to you and others about them?
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Speaker 2: Well, it was it was hard because of there's certain times,
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Speaker 2: certain people, certain places that they can can be spoken of.
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Speaker 2: For example, for example, three weeks ago, I was out
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Speaker 2: and out into the UH the National Force, and I
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Speaker 2: ran into some tribal members who were camping out for
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Speaker 2: the weekend, and you know, he had a bigfoot sticker
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Speaker 2: on his on his vehicle and excuse me, and so
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Speaker 2: I go, you know, he told me him and his
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Speaker 2: family there for another night and then they were going
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Speaker 2: to go back, and then I was like, well, what
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Speaker 2: can you tell me about the sticker about right? So
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Speaker 2: he goes up, Well.
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Speaker 1: It's like the flag. It's like a flag, like, hey,
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Speaker 1: come talk to me, and.
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Speaker 2: He goes he So, you know, we're not supposed to
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Speaker 2: talk about them, right, I said, yeah, I know, but
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Speaker 2: we don't have to say their names. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: mean we can just say in general, you know, our
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Speaker 2: brother or our sister out here. And so, you know,
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Speaker 2: he shared a couple of things with me, but didn't
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Speaker 2: want to go into too much detail because of the
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Speaker 2: way he was brought up. And like I said, you know,
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Speaker 2: it just depends on who you speak with, if it's
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Speaker 2: the right time, if it's the right place, and you
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Speaker 2: don't want to disrespect who they are, how they were
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Speaker 2: brought up, so you just generalize everything and then you
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Speaker 2: just move on and then don't don't try to push it.
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Speaker 1: So it's kind of hush hush like it is with
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Speaker 1: the rest. Well, I think it's starting to get you know,
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Speaker 1: with shows like this, others that I've seen, and you
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Speaker 1: know documentaries and you know, of course the Patterson Gimlin,
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Speaker 1: you know doctor film, the footage which is you know,
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Speaker 1: the the how would you say the trademark of going
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Speaker 1: Oh that, Wait a minute, that's not a suit the
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Speaker 1: leg wiggled. Wait a minute, I'm actually seeing a hernia
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Speaker 1: herniated muscle on the leg. Why is there a braid
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Speaker 1: on the head, you know what I mean? So, okay,
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Speaker 1: there's something there. Uh yeah, and uh so so it's
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Speaker 1: kind of like the same thing. So well, okay, let's
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Speaker 1: talk from your personal experience. What what is it that
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Speaker 1: you've been learning, what have what have you been encountering?
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Speaker 1: What has been your experiences with them?
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Speaker 2: Uh? My experiences have been you know, going out into
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Speaker 2: the woods and everything. And when we do have a
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Speaker 2: situation where they don't want us to be there, they
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Speaker 2: will let us know by either vocalizing uh. They will
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Speaker 2: also smack the trees tree knocking, uh. And then they'll
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Speaker 2: parallel you for a while and then learn who you are.
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Speaker 2: And if they don't think that you're up to to
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Speaker 2: being a good person out there, then they'll they'll you know,
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Speaker 2: they'll approach you and then try to be aggressive and
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Speaker 2: then push you out of the area. I've never I've
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Speaker 2: had that experience twice, and one was through in for
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Speaker 2: sound and the other one was through vocalizations and then
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Speaker 2: eventually trees being pulled out of the ground, trees being bent,
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Speaker 2: trees being shaken, and then so But other than that,
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Speaker 2: everything else has been a positive subtle whistles. I know
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Speaker 2: I'm being followed by them. I can smell them, or
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Speaker 2: I can you know, I can hear that they're communicating
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Speaker 2: very subtly between them and then the others that may
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Speaker 2: be in the in the spot that I'm.
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Speaker 3: In, and which way and which way are they communicating
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Speaker 3: through the subtle whoops okay whoop or or the wood
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Speaker 3: knocking and then whistling and then the bird communications that
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Speaker 3: that they do amongst each other to signal where one
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Speaker 3: is that over here and then when where the other
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Speaker 3: one is over here.
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Speaker 1: So they're mimicking They mimic birds.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yep, yep, I've heard them plenty of times, mimicking birds,
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Speaker 2: trying not to sound like you know, the ordinary, out
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Speaker 2: of the out of your realm of known animals of
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Speaker 2: whooping and growling and all this. Uh, and so the
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Speaker 2: mimicking of birds, coyotes, I mean just about anything out there. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: coyotes as well. And then sometimes they'll mimic the ilk.
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Speaker 1: When you're out there that the bugle call.
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Speaker 2: The bugles chirping, yet the mewing, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That is amazing. How do you know it's a mimic?
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Speaker 1: How do you?
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Speaker 3: How do you?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it just sounds a little off,
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Speaker 1: but like in what in what way does it sound off?
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Speaker 1: Because you're saying they're mimicking, you're not actually seeing them
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Speaker 1: vocalize this, but you can hear it. So how does
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Speaker 1: it differ from let me an animal. Let me put
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Speaker 1: it to you this way. If you're a hunter and
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Speaker 1: you're using a call yourself and then you kind of
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Speaker 1: slip up on it, like from an order from what
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Speaker 1: a regular bull elk is supposed to sound like to
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Speaker 1: an off octaveumer, that's what that's what gives them away.
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Speaker 2: And it could it could be you know, I got
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Speaker 2: a bug of a throat or you know, whatever threw
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Speaker 2: them off at that time. But that's what you listen
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Speaker 2: for when you're out there, because yeah, sure, you can
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Speaker 2: full the full of animals with that, but you're not
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Speaker 2: going to full of sasquatch with that sounds because they're
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Speaker 2: going to pick that up right off the bat.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So, but so it's just those very small, subtle that
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Speaker 2: indifference that you hear makes you say, all right, I
18:53
Speaker 2: know that, I know that wasn't right.
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Speaker 1: That's a that's this is going to be like, you know,
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Speaker 1: a very cheap ques questions, But I'm going to ask
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Speaker 1: it anyway, because why not how close have you actually
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Speaker 1: been to them? Like you know, like you're like, have
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Speaker 1: you like seen them up close? Have they because you
19:11
Speaker 1: know a lot of times I'd like to peer up
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Speaker 1: from behind trees and things like that. Has one like
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Speaker 1: presented itself to you and like, hey, I'm here kind
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Speaker 1: of situation or has it always been kind of.
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Speaker 2: There? There was the actual sighting that I have I
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Speaker 2: think I may have shared on the last program. And
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Speaker 2: then there was a time where I was working alone,
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Speaker 2: I was working with somebody. It was this last day
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Speaker 2: previous and we still had an area to clean up,
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Speaker 2: more work to get done, and I had to go
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Speaker 2: out and finish it. And so he had departed to
19:44
Speaker 2: go back to college. I went back out and then
19:47
Speaker 2: when I parked, I could hear weird birds sounds going
19:52
Speaker 2: off that weren't normal for the spot. Right then I
19:55
Speaker 2: knew that they were there, and so I got out
19:58
Speaker 2: of my truck and I started working the area. And
20:02
Speaker 2: I had to go out a quarter a mile to
20:05
Speaker 2: get to the first plot, and then from there I
20:07
Speaker 2: had to go south on a one eighty asthmath and
20:11
Speaker 2: I had six plots that I had to put in
20:14
Speaker 2: to finish that lineup, and then go east it was
20:21
Speaker 2: five chains by James thirty two to sixty four, about
20:25
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty feet, and then go back north
20:29
Speaker 2: on a zero degree as meant to finish up the area.
20:33
Speaker 2: And so as I got to the first plot, heard
20:36
Speaker 2: the birds and that word birds, and then started establishing
20:43
Speaker 2: my plot work that plot out and then started south
20:47
Speaker 2: and then I could hear him as he got closer,
20:49
Speaker 2: I could hear his footfall coming closer to me. And
20:52
Speaker 2: this was this is probably about ten o'clock in the
20:55
Speaker 2: after ten o'clock in the morning that this was going on,
20:58
Speaker 2: and so I can continued on south and I started
21:02
Speaker 2: getting into it was a it was an fairly open
21:05
Speaker 2: Ponderosa Pine stand, and it had a lot of grand
21:08
Speaker 2: fur trees that were anywhere from ten to twenty years old,
21:15
Speaker 2: and so it was fairly crowded on the understory from
21:21
Speaker 2: these new these trees that had been coming up. So
21:24
Speaker 2: as I was going through there, I was snaking through
21:26
Speaker 2: the trees, and then I could hear him behind me
21:29
Speaker 2: on my right hand side walking and then I so
21:33
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I know you're behind me, and
21:37
Speaker 2: so I diverted. I diverted away, went into the trees,
21:44
Speaker 2: the smaller ones further, and then just crowding my way
21:48
Speaker 2: through there, snaking my way in there. And then I
21:53
Speaker 2: went out into the opening, and I took a picture
21:57
Speaker 2: of this. And I went out to the opening. I
21:59
Speaker 2: was about sixty to eighty feet away from the end
22:05
Speaker 2: of that crowded stand right there, and then I could
22:09
Speaker 2: see the tops of the trees as he was coming
22:11
Speaker 2: through doing this. And then I put my camera up
22:15
Speaker 2: on my phone and I pointed up and I took
22:17
Speaker 2: a picture of the tree top that was moving, and
22:20
Speaker 2: then he stopped and then he just stood there for
22:25
Speaker 2: the longest time, so he knew he probably could have
22:30
Speaker 2: seen me out out in the open so I went
22:33
Speaker 2: back went to establish the next plot, and I kept
22:36
Speaker 2: looking behind me. And then when I finished that plot
22:40
Speaker 2: and started moving, then he kept his distance for me.
22:43
Speaker 2: But then you could see the tree tops like like
22:46
Speaker 2: you say the King Kong movie, as he's going through
22:49
Speaker 2: the trees, you can see them move and the tops
22:51
Speaker 2: as he's going through. So I finished up the plots
22:54
Speaker 2: and then I ran into another stand of the grand
22:58
Speaker 2: fird that were you know, team twenty twenty five years old,
23:02
Speaker 2: and these ones were a little bit taller. So I
23:04
Speaker 2: snaked through those two and then started heading east and
23:10
Speaker 2: then I stopped about three hundred feet from the end
23:15
Speaker 2: of those trees out in the open again, and then
23:18
Speaker 2: again I could see the tree tops moving as he's
23:20
Speaker 2: sneaking through there. And so I went north, and as
23:26
Speaker 2: I was going north, there was a slope about like this,
23:30
Speaker 2: and then there was a rock out cropping that I
23:33
Speaker 2: had to snake through to get up to the top.
23:37
Speaker 2: So I made it to the top, and I looked
23:39
Speaker 2: down and I could see him down there, still moving
23:43
Speaker 2: the treetops as he's and then I went out at
23:47
Speaker 2: the very top of the rock and I just sat
23:53
Speaker 2: there and I pulled my lunch out and I started
23:55
Speaker 2: eating and I was like, Okay, I'm going to wait
23:56
Speaker 2: for him to come out and see if he shows himself.
23:59
Speaker 2: And I was there for about twenty minutes, and then
24:03
Speaker 2: then he started moving, moving towards me, and then I'm
24:08
Speaker 2: watching I'm looking down and I'm watching these tree tops
24:11
Speaker 2: move and he's getting close to the edge. And then
24:14
Speaker 2: I was like, now I don't want to see you today.
24:17
Speaker 2: I'm all right, said I know you there, and then
24:21
Speaker 2: I said, I've only got a couple more plots. My
24:24
Speaker 2: truck is up the hill. As you know, I'm going
24:26
Speaker 2: to be working my way towards the truck and then
24:29
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave you alone. And so I had
24:31
Speaker 2: an opportunity to see him, but I decided to know
24:35
Speaker 2: that that that's fine. I'll just leave it as it
24:38
Speaker 2: is as somebody who enjoyed me while I was there,
24:43
Speaker 2: got to play a few games.
24:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting I left. It seems to be
24:50
Speaker 1: like mister Tom Cantroll. I don't know if you know
24:52
Speaker 1: Tom ConTroll. Yeah, yeah, He's like, it's just if you
24:56
Speaker 1: go looking for them, you're not going to find him.
24:58
Speaker 1: But if you're just being yourself and you're out there
25:00
Speaker 1: doing you know, your job, your occupation, or he said,
25:03
Speaker 1: he just likes to sit down and he pulls out
25:05
Speaker 1: his you know, checks, makes or whatever he's doing, reads
25:08
Speaker 1: his book and drinks his diepepsi and they just kind
25:10
Speaker 1: of come up to you and you're like, hey, there
25:12
Speaker 1: you are. It's like if they don't want you to
25:15
Speaker 1: see them, they won't let you see them. They're just
25:17
Speaker 1: they're their masters of their domain, aren't.
25:19
Speaker 2: They right they are, and they know everything that is
25:23
Speaker 2: within their areas that they're in. They know every road,
25:26
Speaker 2: every everything about it.
25:28
Speaker 1: Right right, because they were born there. There's I'm sure
25:31
Speaker 1: they communicate. I'm sure they have a language. And if
25:34
Speaker 1: you know anything about ron Moreheads, just an easy one
25:36
Speaker 1: for people to glatch onto. You know, if you guys
25:39
Speaker 1: an'll know who Ron Moorehead is, look at the Sierra
25:41
Speaker 1: Sounds and you'll have like this. They call it samurai chatter,
25:43
Speaker 1: but they kind of talk back and forth to one another,
25:45
Speaker 1: and we don't know what that is, but they they
25:49
Speaker 1: so they have you know, I've heard that they have
25:52
Speaker 1: tribal elders as well, that they they they they'll move
25:56
Speaker 1: themselves from area to area, but they also have like
25:58
Speaker 1: a home base sometimes. And I asked to kind of
26:01
Speaker 1: as actually want to ask you a question, what about
26:04
Speaker 1: like people will call it this it's a very connoctative term,
26:07
Speaker 1: but like they call it the wou Like, what are
26:09
Speaker 1: your takes on that? Because you'll I've heard very compelling stories.
26:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about portals, and you know,
26:15
Speaker 1: I've seen Scott Carpenter's things, and I've seen a lot
26:18
Speaker 1: of you know, many different you know, researchers and people
26:21
Speaker 1: who've had experiences. Have you had anything like that where
26:24
Speaker 1: you'll see orbs or light like little lights up in
26:27
Speaker 1: the forest or things like that. Have you seen anything
26:29
Speaker 1: like that?
26:30
Speaker 2: I've seen the orbs, And it's been recent, Kenny. You know,
26:35
Speaker 2: my thirty years prior to being in this, it's all
26:40
Speaker 2: been sounds, smells, and you know, all the physical stuff
26:45
Speaker 2: that you can see here and experience right there with
26:50
Speaker 2: them and know that it's them doing it. But now
26:55
Speaker 2: with within the last year year and a half, I've
26:59
Speaker 2: have seen or herbs and it has been mind blowing
27:03
Speaker 2: to see the orbs and appear in areas that they
27:08
Speaker 2: later on showed up. Wow, is there a connection between
27:13
Speaker 2: the orbs of them, it's a possibility. Still trying to
27:17
Speaker 2: figure that out now, because, like I said, I just
27:19
Speaker 2: got in to seeing my first ORB and then having
27:23
Speaker 2: them be there at the same time.
27:25
Speaker 1: That's interesting. And Michael, I'm going to kind of maybe
27:28
Speaker 1: jump the shark because you were telling me about an
27:30
Speaker 1: experience that you had recently, within the last couple of weeks,
27:32
Speaker 1: I think you several months or very recently maybe that
27:36
Speaker 1: you're just you know, I'm throwing this out there. You know,
27:38
Speaker 1: it's all conjecture anyway, but you know, maybe it's like
27:42
Speaker 1: you've been doing this for thirty years. You were you know,
27:45
Speaker 1: you're doing your job, and now it seems to be
27:46
Speaker 1: a little bit more that you're kind of like want
27:48
Speaker 1: to know more about them. And the more you want
27:51
Speaker 1: to know about them, they show you that other thing
27:54
Speaker 1: that people are talking about. And now you're getting you know,
27:58
Speaker 1: you're getting privileged to see that whatever part of them
28:01
Speaker 1: that we don't understand is now being presented to you.
28:04
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yes, Yeah, I agree, Yeah, okay, cool.
28:07
Speaker 2: And that's that is a good way of putting it,
28:10
Speaker 2: because I I believe myself that not not a lot
28:13
Speaker 2: of people were chosen to be able to go to
28:17
Speaker 2: that level with that type of communication with them. Uh.
28:20
Speaker 2: And a lot of a lot of that has to
28:22
Speaker 2: do with your mindset, introducing yourself, leaving this world behind
28:29
Speaker 2: and then really creating a center for yourself wire out there.
28:35
Speaker 2: Very when I when I go out, I clear my
28:39
Speaker 2: head of everything to to put myself into that environment.
28:45
Speaker 2: And I do this with other people too. Like there's
28:50
Speaker 2: two parts of an event that for a large outing
28:55
Speaker 2: that I was part part of, and we were looking
29:00
Speaker 2: we had gone down to another someone else's camp to
29:03
Speaker 2: take a look at stuff, and then on our way back,
29:06
Speaker 2: there were four of us and as we were walking
29:10
Speaker 2: back to our tents, I kept being drawn off to
29:14
Speaker 2: the left. I kept looking down there, and I was like,
29:17
Speaker 2: there's something calling me to be to go down there.
29:20
Speaker 2: And so we kept walking and we kept talking and
29:23
Speaker 2: I said, I said, there's something that has drawn me
29:26
Speaker 2: down there. I don't know what it is, I said,
29:28
Speaker 2: but I go, I have an exercise that I want
29:30
Speaker 2: to do with you that I just learned, and we're
29:34
Speaker 2: going to center ourselves. We're going to find a tree
29:38
Speaker 2: out here that speaks to you. It will call to you.
29:41
Speaker 2: And then once you make that connection with that tree.
29:44
Speaker 2: Go to it and you know, do a prayer introduction,
29:48
Speaker 2: talk to it, and then let him know who you
29:50
Speaker 2: are while you're there and everything, and then you'll become
29:53
Speaker 2: part of that area. So I had gone and done mine,
29:57
Speaker 2: and then the other three had gone often did found
30:01
Speaker 2: their trees. And the fourth person that was there, she
30:07
Speaker 2: was coming up and I was looking at her. She
30:11
Speaker 2: was walking up towards us because we had made it
30:13
Speaker 2: back up to the road, and she was crying. And
30:18
Speaker 2: so when she got closer, I go, are you okay?
30:21
Speaker 2: She goes, yeah, I'm doing okay. I go, what what's
30:24
Speaker 2: going on? She goes, well, you know, you told me
30:26
Speaker 2: to do this and do this, and I did it.
30:29
Speaker 2: And then as I was making that connection, a voice
30:31
Speaker 2: came to me and it said, we don't like to
30:34
Speaker 2: be called bigfoot. And I was like, okay. She goes a, well,
30:39
Speaker 2: I am what else? She goes, well, they said we
30:43
Speaker 2: prefer force people fair enough. And she was feeling bad
30:50
Speaker 2: because all her previous times she was always she was
30:54
Speaker 2: always calling a big foot. I said, no, I.
30:56
Speaker 1: Mean you don't have to learn right.
30:59
Speaker 2: You know, they're they're they're they're letting you know you know,
31:01
Speaker 2: it's nothing bad that you've been doing for years. You know,
31:05
Speaker 2: they just you know, they they've made that connection with you. So,
31:10
Speaker 2: you know, that weekend was up. She went home and
31:13
Speaker 2: she lives on the East coast, and she got home
31:17
Speaker 2: and she found something on her porch. She took a
31:22
Speaker 2: picture of it and she sent it to me and
31:24
Speaker 2: it was a tree. It was it was a card
31:27
Speaker 2: that was on her on her porch with one single
31:31
Speaker 2: tree on it. I said, see, you made that connection
31:34
Speaker 2: with them, and they're late. You know.
31:37
Speaker 1: So you're saying that somehow they were able to either
31:40
Speaker 1: communicate by you know, lineal distance or somehow telepathically to
31:44
Speaker 1: whatever tribe or group of forest people in that part
31:48
Speaker 1: of the country or that part of the continent to say, hey,
31:50
Speaker 1: look now you're now you're one of us, and it's okay.
31:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:55
Speaker 1: So what has compelled you to come out and talk
31:57
Speaker 1: about this, mel Why are you so compel to to
32:01
Speaker 1: to express this because you know, I don't I don't
32:05
Speaker 1: know how long you've been doing podcasts, but it seems
32:08
Speaker 1: like you enjoy doing it. You're not boisterous about it.
32:12
Speaker 1: You're just very matter you know, very matter of fact,
32:14
Speaker 1: very self spoken. About it, and I'm just wondering, what
32:17
Speaker 1: is your you know, not a motivation in the sense
32:21
Speaker 1: of being egoistic, but you know, why are you feel
32:24
Speaker 1: compelled to do what you're doing.
32:26
Speaker 2: It's it's the next step. I think that they're trying
32:30
Speaker 2: to educate me to make sure that I don't, you know,
32:36
Speaker 2: fall back on what I used to go off chasing them,
32:39
Speaker 2: trying to lure them out and anything like that. We've
32:41
Speaker 2: we've already gone past that. Our relationship is built of
32:46
Speaker 2: trust right now, we're now we're moving into something else.
32:52
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm beginning to learn. I've learned over
32:55
Speaker 2: the past past three or four years now and beginning
32:59
Speaker 2: to understand understand it because before you had described WU
33:04
Speaker 2: and I was like, woo, I mean, you guys are
33:07
Speaker 2: nuts easy to be able to see orbs and sure
33:10
Speaker 2: you could talk to them and everything. I was that
33:12
Speaker 2: person at one time, and now I'm not because I
33:16
Speaker 2: have not searched for it. You know it. It's something
33:21
Speaker 2: that has developed in relationship with the more time, the trust.
33:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. To make it sound like to give people like
33:28
Speaker 1: an understanding, it's like if anybody meditates out there, it's
33:32
Speaker 1: a practice. It's not something that you can just plug
33:35
Speaker 1: into the wall and all of a sudden, now you
33:37
Speaker 1: can calm the mind. It's something that you have to
33:40
Speaker 1: practice on a continuous basis. It's like a muscle muscle
33:43
Speaker 1: memory to give us some type of context for people
33:46
Speaker 1: to understand. It's it's intention. Intention is everything, and that's
33:50
Speaker 1: what everything in life. If your intention is to be
33:53
Speaker 1: a good person, man, woman, whatever, you know, that will
33:56
Speaker 1: emanate throughout not only your family, but through out your
34:00
Speaker 1: community and throughout the rest of the country and the world.
34:03
Speaker 1: And that's what they're trying to actually show you, to
34:05
Speaker 1: be kind of like one with yourself and one with
34:09
Speaker 1: like connected to you know, you know, do you feel
34:12
Speaker 1: your connection through your tribe and your land and where
34:14
Speaker 1: you're from. And they're like, yeah, you guys have been
34:16
Speaker 1: with us for a long long time. We know who
34:17
Speaker 1: you are, just you kind of forgot who we are
34:20
Speaker 1: and they're trying to like teach you again. And I
34:22
Speaker 1: think that is utterly wonderful and fascinating at the same time.
34:26
Speaker 1: It's so cool.
34:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And this has been an experience that has
34:34
Speaker 2: I love, I love to share with everybody, and you know,
34:38
Speaker 2: it's the teachings that I want to make sure that
34:41
Speaker 2: everybody learns the right way where I, you know, went
34:45
Speaker 2: off into the woods half cocked and did all this
34:48
Speaker 2: crazy crap and you know, and and then no results
34:52
Speaker 2: came of it, you know, and then all of a sudden,
34:54
Speaker 2: you know, I started changing who I was. I was
34:56
Speaker 2: told I was doing wrong by my elders, and then started, okay,
35:00
Speaker 2: changing changing everything of who I was out there.
35:05
Speaker 1: Very interesting. So and uh and before we started recording,
35:08
Speaker 1: you were telling me, let's go into the the encounter
35:11
Speaker 1: that happened recently to you. Could you maybe like walk
35:13
Speaker 1: us into it. What you were doing?
35:15
Speaker 3: Uh?
35:16
Speaker 1: What what what you were planning on doing going going
35:20
Speaker 1: out there? And then what transpired? Well, we, uh, the
35:24
Speaker 1: person that we were looking for a location to to
35:30
Speaker 1: do some filming of interviews, and so I contacted a
35:35
Speaker 1: friend of mine and her name is Barb, and Barb
35:38
Speaker 1: set us up in an area that she knows that
35:41
Speaker 1: they're there. But you know, that was kind of the
35:45
Speaker 1: reason to be there to see if we can establish
35:49
Speaker 1: a connection with them. But it was a reason Barbartman no, no,
35:55
Speaker 1: Barb Shoop, Barb Shoop. I actually wrote her name down, Yes,
35:59
Speaker 1: I did, Okay, yeah, okay, it's okay. And so I
36:02
Speaker 1: know another barb it's also in Washington, so my brain
36:04
Speaker 1: went maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
36:09
Speaker 2: And so she set us up in this area and
36:11
Speaker 2: then we were able to do our shooting, our interviews
36:14
Speaker 2: and everything, and then she came back the next day
36:18
Speaker 2: and then everybody had already packed up and left, and
36:21
Speaker 2: my wife and myself were the last two there. So
36:26
Speaker 2: she asked if we'd like to walk on one of
36:30
Speaker 2: her trails, and she's had multiple encounters with them, and
36:33
Speaker 2: we said, sure, why not, you know, we're not in
36:35
Speaker 2: the rush to get home. So we drive off to
36:38
Speaker 2: her cabin location and we begin to walk up this
36:42
Speaker 2: trail and she begins to tell us all the details
36:46
Speaker 2: of all the encounters that she's had with other people
36:48
Speaker 2: in the area with her dog on her nature walks
36:51
Speaker 2: and everything else like that. And so about twenty minutes
36:54
Speaker 2: into it, we get to this location towards the end
36:57
Speaker 2: of the of her walk and were standing out in
37:01
Speaker 2: a semi open area and she's in front of me,
37:08
Speaker 2: my wife is in the middle in between us that
37:10
Speaker 2: Barbara's turned around she's talking to us, and so I'm
37:15
Speaker 2: listening to everything that she's pointing out to me. And
37:18
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, just imagine standing in cold
37:25
Speaker 2: and out in the cold clouds, no sun, and all
37:30
Speaker 2: of a sudden you get a temperature shift, temperature change
37:33
Speaker 2: because the clouds of heart had moved out, and then
37:36
Speaker 2: the sun comes on you. This is what happened to me,
37:40
Speaker 2: that this temperature change and this feeling that was being
37:46
Speaker 2: projected towards me and waves was coming from the right side,
37:51
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what was going on. And I
37:53
Speaker 2: looked at both my wife and Barbacee if they noticed it,
37:57
Speaker 2: and they hadn't because they were still talking acting, and
38:01
Speaker 2: but I kept getting hit from this from the right
38:04
Speaker 2: to the left, this wave, and I can almost see it.
38:10
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden a voice came out
38:14
Speaker 2: of that and it says, you need to walk towards Barb.
38:19
Speaker 2: And they're talking. The sound comes off to the right,
38:23
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what did I just hear? What am I?
38:26
Speaker 2: What am I feeling? I mean, it's not just through
38:28
Speaker 2: my head, it's through my whole body. And then it
38:32
Speaker 2: said you need to walk towards Barb, And I said okay,
38:36
Speaker 2: I projector I said okay, I'll walk towards and then
38:39
Speaker 2: my front, my microm my front front, my left foot
38:43
Speaker 2: moved forward on its own, and so my left foot
38:54
Speaker 2: moves forward on its own, and I'm like, oh, what
38:56
Speaker 2: is going on here? I said, okay, I'm gonna I'm
38:59
Speaker 2: walk towards Barb, and so I started walking towards her,
39:03
Speaker 2: and then as I was approaching my wife, it said
39:06
Speaker 2: you need to give her a hug. And I'm looking
39:11
Speaker 2: at my wife Christine as I walk by her, and
39:14
Speaker 2: they're just happy to app and so they're not experiencing
39:18
Speaker 2: what I'm going through. And as I'm walking past her
39:23
Speaker 2: and I'm getting closer to the barb and Barber's kind
39:25
Speaker 2: of giving me this strange what are you doing? Type?
39:28
Speaker 2: Look right? And as I get closer to her, I
39:32
Speaker 2: tell her, I said, they want me to hug you.
39:35
Speaker 2: And then she said, oh okay, and so I reached
39:39
Speaker 2: out to hug her. And as I'm hugging her, they
39:41
Speaker 2: said you need to tell her thank you, and so
39:46
Speaker 2: I said, Barbe, they want me to tell you thank you,
39:49
Speaker 2: And so I hugged her and told her thank you.
39:52
Speaker 2: Then I let go and I started backing away, and
39:55
Speaker 2: then she goes oh, well that was that was different.
39:59
Speaker 2: That was nice. I said, yeah, well that's what they
40:02
Speaker 2: wanted me to do. And then so as I was
40:04
Speaker 2: backing away from her, she she turns off this direction
40:08
Speaker 2: and then she yells out thank you. And so it got
40:13
Speaker 2: quiet for a little bit, and then all of a sudden,
40:14
Speaker 2: we hear this love from the hillside up above us.
40:21
Speaker 2: And we're all three of us just like, did you
40:24
Speaker 2: hear that? Had all three of us had heard the
40:28
Speaker 2: vocalization that they had that they had just done, and
40:32
Speaker 2: then so we said thank you, and then then we
40:35
Speaker 2: walked out. Wow, I've never ever had had that happen
40:40
Speaker 2: to me prior.
40:42
Speaker 1: Ever, I've heard it before. You know, I've heard where
40:46
Speaker 1: a gentleman from the Arizona for Chris Kramer. Uh he
40:50
Speaker 1: he has a place on the mogam Rim in Arizona,
40:55
Speaker 1: and you know there's only a certain time of year
40:57
Speaker 1: that you can go out there because of the snowpack
40:59
Speaker 1: and so elevated position and it snows a lot. So
41:02
Speaker 1: he one time was after his father had passed, he
41:05
Speaker 1: showed he told me on the show, So I can,
41:07
Speaker 1: you know, go ahead and disseminate the information again, you know,
41:10
Speaker 1: respect Chris, thank you for the story. And he was
41:13
Speaker 1: he was telling me that, you know, he was having
41:16
Speaker 1: things like that too, where like he had an operation
41:18
Speaker 1: on his arm and there's a lot of pain and
41:20
Speaker 1: like one time that you we'll get into that too,
41:23
Speaker 1: where you felt that in your body the thing that
41:25
Speaker 1: happened to you and it went through his arm and
41:27
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it just didn't hurt as much anymore.
41:30
Speaker 1: So he was having these experiences and then after his
41:33
Speaker 1: father had passed, they can sense it. So he goes
41:36
Speaker 1: up there after this, you know, in spring, and uh
41:39
Speaker 1: he comes to a y in the road and they
41:42
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, just go this way. So he just
41:45
Speaker 1: goes that way. It goes a little fall down the
41:47
Speaker 1: road and they were just like and then he hears,
41:50
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we know you're going through a lot
41:52
Speaker 1: of turmoil and you know, family problems. We want we
41:55
Speaker 1: just wanted to let you know that we know that
41:56
Speaker 1: your father has passed and we just want you to
41:59
Speaker 1: know that we're sorry and we're here for you kind
42:01
Speaker 1: of thing. And it's just like you hear this, you know,
42:03
Speaker 1: and so you're telling me that they want you that Basically,
42:08
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to tell you is like, Okay,
42:10
Speaker 1: you seem to be cool. We can feel your vibe,
42:14
Speaker 1: we can tell that your intentions are good. But we
42:16
Speaker 1: want you to then connect with somebody that we already
42:18
Speaker 1: do know and barb and say and if she accepts that,
42:23
Speaker 1: and then you say thank you and we can hear that,
42:25
Speaker 1: then then you're okay to be here with us. And
42:28
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to tell somebody who is who
42:32
Speaker 1: either has not experienced it or is not a believer
42:34
Speaker 1: to comprehend that. But I absolutely do believe that. And
42:40
Speaker 1: I just think that that is and that is now
42:42
Speaker 1: happening to you on a more regular basis. Is it
42:47
Speaker 1: shows the kind of person that you actually are, Like
42:49
Speaker 1: if they're accepting of you, then I should be accepting you, right.
42:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and what do you what do you
42:59
Speaker 2: call it? I mean, you know, for a long time,
43:03
Speaker 2: the word moove is always been there, and there's got
43:07
Speaker 2: to be something else, you know, a better term, you
43:11
Speaker 2: know a better word for that.
43:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like bigfoot. It's just one of
43:15
Speaker 1: those terms that stick around. Or is it flush and blood?
43:19
Speaker 1: And it's like that sounds so I don't know, it's
43:23
Speaker 1: so primitive it's like, is it a real I think
43:25
Speaker 1: it's both. I think they're both. I think they have
43:28
Speaker 1: the ability to do whatever it is they want to do,
43:30
Speaker 1: and if they want to connect with you, they won't,
43:33
Speaker 1: and if they do, they will, and they do things
43:36
Speaker 1: that we can't comprehend because of our path and whatever
43:42
Speaker 1: you want to call it, evolution or through time has
43:44
Speaker 1: been different than their path. And it's so interesting that
43:49
Speaker 1: this particular moment in time, you know, with everything that's
43:52
Speaker 1: going on on, the nonsense in the world and all
43:54
Speaker 1: the bombardment of real and fake information that we can't
43:57
Speaker 1: even discern anymore, that they're like, hey, you need to
44:01
Speaker 1: reconnect to this, and then you will feel that connection
44:06
Speaker 1: to everything again, and then through that we can better everything.
44:10
Speaker 1: And I think that's what they're actually trying to do.
44:11
Speaker 1: They're like, Hey, come on in and come and hang
44:14
Speaker 1: out with us, the cool ones. You gotta be cool
44:16
Speaker 1: now and bring your cigarettes and hang out with us.
44:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't forget your back of offering.
44:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, very important, very important. Yeah, So tell me
44:26
Speaker 1: about that. You were telling me about that you had
44:29
Speaker 1: a body sensation. Maybe you can go into that a
44:31
Speaker 1: little bit.
44:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, that also has been something that is within the
44:36
Speaker 2: last i'd say under ted years that have been going
44:39
Speaker 2: through where if I if they project something, if they
44:44
Speaker 2: project towards me, then I can I can feel it,
44:48
Speaker 2: and if the sensation increases, then it's a warning not
44:51
Speaker 2: to go any further. Uh. Some people call it infrasound.
44:57
Speaker 2: And then I've I've had that type of info sounding
45:00
Speaker 2: projected towards me to where they made me feel like
45:03
Speaker 2: I was six hundred pounds and couldn't muster enough energy
45:07
Speaker 2: to keep going. And they've also done that to a
45:10
Speaker 2: coworker that was working with me who also went through
45:14
Speaker 2: that same feeling, but she was going through it about
45:18
Speaker 2: she was about one hundred and fifty about one hundred
45:21
Speaker 2: and fifty feet down a hill for me as we
45:24
Speaker 2: were walking up this hillside and I started feeling this,
45:28
Speaker 2: and then she caught up with me and she goes,
45:30
Speaker 2: what's going on here? She is, I don't feel good.
45:32
Speaker 2: I go, what's going on? She goes, It feels like
45:35
Speaker 2: I'm carrying a lot of dead weight and I can't
45:38
Speaker 2: go any further. And as I go, how long has
45:41
Speaker 2: that been going on? She goes, well, how long have
45:43
Speaker 2: you experiencing? And I said, oh, yeah, yeah, it started
45:46
Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes ago, and she goes, that's about when
45:50
Speaker 2: it started for me too.
45:51
Speaker 1: Wow.
45:53
Speaker 2: So I told us, well, it's them. They're letting us
45:56
Speaker 2: know that they don't want us here. I said, but
45:58
Speaker 2: we're on a job here, and we got to find
45:59
Speaker 2: this location. And as soon as we find it, GPS
46:03
Speaker 2: AD map it everything. Yeah, and then then we can
46:06
Speaker 2: go and then we'll let you know we're leaving. And
46:09
Speaker 2: then when we did find it, and as we were
46:12
Speaker 2: walking around it, as I was telling them, I said,
46:16
Speaker 2: once I find it and do some surveying around here,
46:18
Speaker 2: I said, this area is going to be protected for
46:21
Speaker 2: you because it's a water source and we will log it.
46:25
Speaker 2: So I'm up here protecting this for you. And then
46:29
Speaker 2: that sensation started to subside and go away, and then
46:33
Speaker 2: so we finished, so walked out of there, and then
46:37
Speaker 2: you know that, like I said, both of us started
46:40
Speaker 2: feeling normal again. So those that's the sensations that I get,
46:48
Speaker 2: not necessarily that ultrasound or infrasound event, but the tingling
46:53
Speaker 2: that they let me know that they're there. They'll buzz
46:56
Speaker 2: my head. I'll know if a spirit is around me
47:00
Speaker 2: heavily by the same sensation because this happened. This happened
47:08
Speaker 2: like about four days ago where I was dropping some
47:10
Speaker 2: stuff off for somebody and I was working with for
47:12
Speaker 2: non a Native non nonprofit, and she's talking to me.
47:16
Speaker 2: She goes, she goes, she started talking to me about
47:20
Speaker 2: her little group that's always around her and explaining them
47:25
Speaker 2: to me. See, so and so is here, so and
47:27
Speaker 2: so is here, and then they're here. They're always always
47:30
Speaker 2: watching out for me. They're always telling me things and everything.
47:32
Speaker 2: And then I go, well, who's here now, because they
47:36
Speaker 2: are buzzing me like crazy, and she goes, well, I
47:40
Speaker 2: can't tell you. I said, okay. She goes, but now
47:43
Speaker 2: they're buzzing me, and she goes, this has never happened before.
47:47
Speaker 2: And I said, well, they started buzzing my whole body.
47:51
Speaker 2: And you know, we as we kept talking and everything.
47:55
Speaker 2: We only a couple more minutes with each other, and
47:57
Speaker 2: then I left and I'm driving home and I'm like,
48:00
Speaker 2: this is not going away. It's not going away. What happened?
48:04
Speaker 2: And then I get home and I'm still feeling it
48:06
Speaker 2: and everything, and Christina and I my wife, go out
48:09
Speaker 2: for dinner and everything, and still kind of feeling it
48:11
Speaker 2: in my hands and everything, and then I get a
48:14
Speaker 2: text from her like my friend, and she goes, I
48:17
Speaker 2: don't know what we came across or what they did
48:19
Speaker 2: to me, but about forty five minutes after you left
48:23
Speaker 2: and it finally started to go away, and I was like, well,
48:25
Speaker 2: that's about the same time it went away for me, So.
48:30
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay, let's let's slowly wrap this up.
48:36
Speaker 1: I want to kind of get your like, say, for example,
48:40
Speaker 1: a novice person, a person who knows nothing about the
48:43
Speaker 1: forest people.
48:44
Speaker 2: That's my wife back there by the way.
48:46
Speaker 1: Hello, hello Christina. Hi, Yeah, she's getting a purse. What
48:55
Speaker 1: would you say to someone say, for example, you're a
48:57
Speaker 1: person who's that that is a that is a I've
49:03
Speaker 1: never seen a cat with a orange shirt or yellow
49:05
Speaker 1: shirt or whatever.
49:06
Speaker 2: That wasn't a cat that he saw.
49:11
Speaker 1: What would you now, what would you say to a
49:13
Speaker 1: person who say, for example, they don't know anything about bigfoot.
49:17
Speaker 1: They they or excuse me, or the forest people sasquatch,
49:22
Speaker 1: they know nothing about it. They they are they've seen
49:26
Speaker 1: this on the internet somewhere. They like the thumbnail. I
49:28
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the title that I come up with.
49:30
Speaker 1: What would you tell them they what they are, and
49:33
Speaker 1: what it is that you think they're here to do
49:38
Speaker 1: or that, or that we are learning from that? How
49:41
Speaker 1: would you I wouldn't say convince somebody, but what would
49:44
Speaker 1: you say? They are?
49:46
Speaker 2: Well, that takes us into this new event. Okay, and
49:54
Speaker 2: I have two new people that were had never been
49:57
Speaker 2: out or what there, had had an experience with the
50:00
Speaker 2: forest people's sasquatch, bigfoot, and they didn't know what to expect,
50:04
Speaker 2: and so they came. They came to me, asking a
50:08
Speaker 2: lot of questions, and then of course they went around
50:10
Speaker 2: to everybody else and I was like, no, we were
50:11
Speaker 2: gonna hang out with Melt. We're gonna go with Melt tonight.
50:14
Speaker 2: So I picked up I picked that in an area
50:17
Speaker 2: for us to go into, and two new guys that
50:20
Speaker 2: have never had experiences at all. So we take off
50:24
Speaker 2: around nine thirty at night and I let them know.
50:26
Speaker 2: I says, we're not out here to bother, we're not
50:29
Speaker 2: out here to hunt, and we're not out here to
50:31
Speaker 2: do anything. I said, We're here to have to have
50:33
Speaker 2: them share with us. If they want to share with us,
50:37
Speaker 2: they will present themselves whistling, you know, vocalizations, or make
50:43
Speaker 2: up here or walk out in front of us to
50:45
Speaker 2: show themselves to us and says, I can't guarantee anything this,
50:49
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you what I said. When you come
50:53
Speaker 2: out and we get out of this truck, I said,
50:55
Speaker 2: introduce yourself. Let them know who you are, where you're
50:58
Speaker 2: from while you're here, and to be out, open, honest everything,
51:04
Speaker 2: and then make that connection while you're out here. And
51:06
Speaker 2: then if an event does happen, then we don't go
51:10
Speaker 2: chasing after it. We don't point at it, we don't
51:13
Speaker 2: acknowledge that what you know, We don't turn, we don't
51:18
Speaker 2: do any of that. We just keep walking, we keep
51:21
Speaker 2: talking in our normal voices. And whatever you heard, we'll
51:25
Speaker 2: ask questions of you whoever had that experience, what it
51:30
Speaker 2: sounded like compared to this. Are you sure it's not
51:33
Speaker 2: this animal? Are you sure it's not this We're going
51:35
Speaker 2: to try to decipher everything that is going on about
51:39
Speaker 2: your event to narrow it down to them. And so
51:43
Speaker 2: as we get out, they made the connections and everything
51:47
Speaker 2: talked introduce themselves. And then within a couple of minutes,
51:52
Speaker 2: as we're walking down the road, and it's we're not
51:55
Speaker 2: using any light, We're just walking and talking here too
52:00
Speaker 2: subtle wood knocks off to our left, just real subtle
52:04
Speaker 2: poop poop, And then I told them about it. I
52:08
Speaker 2: told him the direction, what it sounded like, possibilities it
52:12
Speaker 2: could have been, you know, animal tripping onto something out
52:15
Speaker 2: there or anything else like that. We'll just keep walking
52:17
Speaker 2: and we won't acknowledge it. Just keep walking there with us.
52:21
Speaker 2: And then as we continued on, within another minute or two,
52:25
Speaker 2: then we had a whistle come out from the same direction.
52:30
Speaker 2: So the person that had heard it first started talking
52:34
Speaker 2: about it. Then I had heard it at the same time.
52:36
Speaker 2: Then we started talking about the event and then narrowed
52:39
Speaker 2: it down to yep, he's here, she's here, somebody's here.
52:44
Speaker 2: They're following us, and they know to, you know, keep
52:49
Speaker 2: away from us for now until they really get to
52:52
Speaker 2: know who we are. So we'll just keep going up
52:55
Speaker 2: this road and see what else happens. And if you
52:58
Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable to you like this, you guys want
53:02
Speaker 2: to turn your lights on, Just don't flash your lights
53:05
Speaker 2: in the woods of the directions that the sounds are coming,
53:09
Speaker 2: because that will irritate them. And so we went without
53:13
Speaker 2: lights the rest of the walk. And we get to
53:16
Speaker 2: this spot of where a road junction is and it's
53:19
Speaker 2: a fairly large area, so you could say you could
53:22
Speaker 2: park like four cars in here safely at this road junction,
53:26
Speaker 2: and then it's timbered all the way around us. And
53:30
Speaker 2: so we're standing there and we're talking, and then they
53:34
Speaker 2: were one of the guys was ready to go. He says, Okay,
53:37
Speaker 2: well that's fine. Let's just hang out here for a
53:39
Speaker 2: little while longer. Our visitor is off here over to
53:42
Speaker 2: our left, and we'll see if he wants to, you know, say,
53:46
Speaker 2: or do anything else while we're here, and then we'll
53:50
Speaker 2: walk out. So, as we're standing there and I have
53:54
Speaker 2: my here, the other gentleman's directly across from me, and
53:59
Speaker 2: then the other one is off to my left, all
54:02
Speaker 2: of a sudden, my head starts buzzing, and then it
54:05
Speaker 2: starts to go down into my shoulders. And then I said,
54:10
Speaker 2: he's here, and he's scanning me. He's given me this
54:14
Speaker 2: tingly feeling, and it's starting to go down into my shoulders,
54:18
Speaker 2: down into my chest. And then as soon as I
54:20
Speaker 2: said it was going past my shoulders, the guy directly
54:22
Speaker 2: across from me, he goes, they're buzzing me. Now I
54:27
Speaker 2: can feel it, And I said, Okay, I go, what
54:31
Speaker 2: are you feeling? He goes. He goes, I've never felt
54:33
Speaker 2: this people, I don't know how to explain it. I've
54:35
Speaker 2: never had anything like this happened to me before. And
54:37
Speaker 2: that just says he's trying to gather the words to
54:40
Speaker 2: express himself. Then the guy on the left starts to
54:43
Speaker 2: go through it, and then it starts in his back
54:46
Speaker 2: and then starts to go through his body, and I said, well,
54:49
Speaker 2: what are you feeling? He goes. He goes, It's like
54:53
Speaker 2: I'm being scanned, or I could feel this little tingling
54:58
Speaker 2: sensations like my hand has fallen asleep, you know, that
55:02
Speaker 2: type of tingling. And so he started explaining more and
55:08
Speaker 2: more about it being throughout his whole body. And then
55:11
Speaker 2: the guy was went through this experience just after I did.
55:16
Speaker 2: Both of ours went away. Mine was still kind of there,
55:20
Speaker 2: but his had gone away. But the guy on the
55:22
Speaker 2: left was still going through it. And he goes, is
55:24
Speaker 2: it Do I need to be worried that he's still
55:27
Speaker 2: doing it to me? And I was like, nope, nope, no,
55:30
Speaker 2: just you know, keep talking about what's going on. And
55:33
Speaker 2: I go, there's nothing if it intensifies you, and intensifies
55:38
Speaker 2: in you or us, then it's our warning to go.
55:42
Speaker 2: I go and tell then we're all right. He knows
55:44
Speaker 2: we're here. He's just trying to figure out who we
55:46
Speaker 2: are and what kind of people we are. And so
55:50
Speaker 2: then everything had gone away. And then I had a
55:54
Speaker 2: Gen three monocular and I had a small infra red device,
56:03
Speaker 2: had like an inch and a half screen on it.
56:06
Speaker 2: So I handed it to them because they had never
56:08
Speaker 2: seen it before, and I said, yeah, take a look around.
56:11
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, where if anything does is out here,
56:14
Speaker 2: and if we can't see it at night, then this
56:17
Speaker 2: would be the perfect tools to be able to view
56:20
Speaker 2: them with. And so I gave one of them the monocular.
56:25
Speaker 2: He looked around at the stars, and then the other
56:27
Speaker 2: the other person took the infrared and then he started
56:31
Speaker 2: going around us at three sixty and then he gets
56:35
Speaker 2: behind where the whole event was being projected at us
56:44
Speaker 2: from where ex eminating. Yeah, so he gets there and
56:47
Speaker 2: he goes, hey, what is that? And I said what
56:52
Speaker 2: do you got? He goes, well, there's a source out
56:55
Speaker 2: here that is is really hot and it's not moving.
57:01
Speaker 2: Can you come take a look. And so he's got
57:03
Speaker 2: it laid out like this, and I go over there
57:06
Speaker 2: and he's got it right on the subject or in
57:09
Speaker 2: the area, and we're looking at it and looking at it,
57:13
Speaker 2: and it's not moving and it's just stationed. It's just
57:16
Speaker 2: standing right there and you can only see part of it.
57:21
Speaker 2: And so I said, let me give my camera. Because
57:24
Speaker 2: this device it pixelates the items when it takes a picture.
57:29
Speaker 2: I said, I'll hover my camera phone over the top
57:32
Speaker 2: of it, and then we can get a better picture
57:34
Speaker 2: of it. And then this is what we ended up getting.
57:39
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a how far away do you would you say?
57:44
Speaker 1: That was mel? That's incredible, that spearing off behind a tree.
57:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I believe as we measured it about
57:53
Speaker 2: one hundred fifty to two hundred feet away from us.
57:57
Speaker 2: And it was so we had we had the road junction,
58:03
Speaker 2: and so it was right in that little stand of
58:06
Speaker 2: trees where the road went up and then the other
58:09
Speaker 2: road crossed this direction, so there was this one section
58:12
Speaker 2: of trees and it was standing there and it didn't move.
58:18
Speaker 2: You can see, you know, the head, you can see
58:21
Speaker 2: the eyes, and then the distortion of everything else underneath it.
58:28
Speaker 2: And we had we had gone back out there the
58:32
Speaker 2: next day and h nothing was it there right? And
58:38
Speaker 2: then we had and then we had the person who
58:42
Speaker 2: was and well you can't really see him, but I
58:47
Speaker 2: but we had him standing at the same trees.
58:50
Speaker 1: That's a huge tree.
58:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's two of them. It's fooling to us.
58:55
Speaker 2: As we walked in there, and I was like, okay,
58:59
Speaker 2: it was it wasn't matching up. So we had one
59:02
Speaker 2: tree here and then we had another one right here,
59:04
Speaker 2: so it made it look like one big tree. And
59:06
Speaker 2: then it was on this side of it, so where
59:10
Speaker 2: he is right there, the height was up here.
59:16
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how how tol is this gentleman?
59:19
Speaker 2: He's he's just a little bit about five five five
59:22
Speaker 2: eight five nine. So this is about.
59:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great explanation to what they are. They're
59:34
Speaker 1: basically saying is that they are some type of ancient
59:38
Speaker 1: or other thing that we just don't quite understand yet,
59:44
Speaker 1: and they have some type of ability to know your intentions,
59:50
Speaker 1: and they are curious and you know, if there, if
59:53
Speaker 1: you're a person with mal intentions, they're not gonna they're
59:55
Speaker 1: gonna avoid you. If you're just running up there with
59:57
Speaker 1: a chainsaw to do whatever, they're not gonna you know,
59:59
Speaker 1: they might throw rocks at you and get you out
1:00:01
Speaker 1: of there, and that's scary enough. But if you're like
1:00:04
Speaker 1: open to it and just like oh, it's okay, you know,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So the basic explanation is we know
1:00:11
Speaker 1: little bit, but we don't know much. And you and
1:00:15
Speaker 1: you're fascinated by and you're going to keep continuing to
1:00:17
Speaker 1: try to, you know, have these experiences, which I'm sure
1:00:22
Speaker 1: you will because there seem to be more intense or
1:00:25
Speaker 1: more open to you, and you're in your presence in
1:00:28
Speaker 1: their in their home. Basically, it's like, you know, someone
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Speaker 1: walking through your living room and if they're mean, you're
1:00:32
Speaker 1: going to say, get the hell out right, and you're
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Speaker 1: in their living room and they're like, yeah, will come
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Speaker 1: on in and have some chips and uh. And that's
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Speaker 1: that's fascinating.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 1: I want to I want to personally thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for coming on today, man, I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Not well, thank you for having me back.
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Speaker 1: Is anything else you want to say before you get
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Speaker 1: about of here? Man?
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Speaker 2: Well, no other than you know he said, do you
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Speaker 2: go out there, make that connection, be true to them,
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Speaker 2: and then be true to yourself. You know, yes, You're
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Speaker 2: not trying to explain it, you know, show them, show
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Speaker 2: the world what they are. You're trying to prove yourself
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Speaker 2: and continue to grow in yourself to be with them,
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Speaker 2: and that's been my change with them over the years.
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Speaker 1: Very well said.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: This hold on one second, Man, I want to ask
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Speaker 1: you a question after the show here real quick. But
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Speaker 1: once again, thank you so much Mel for coming on
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Speaker 1: and imparting your information and your experiences that so that
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Speaker 1: this side of the aisle is a little bit better
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Speaker 1: informed about what the forest people are. Man, I appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you for having me. Thank you, audience,
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Speaker 2: and you know we'll do it again.
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