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Talks to Nathan Bottomley about his choice of Meglos (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to hands with the blunt penknife we are here
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  watching episode 2 of Mega gloss.
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  And if so what was absolutely delightful, do you think that
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  there are any Doctor Who stories that would be improved by having
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  their glasses of the 10 hundreds?
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  Probably because that was a larger.
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  Remember, the original idea for the larger was, it was going to
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  be Mabel. And the and but the idea was
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  going to be that the doctor couldn't remember who may gloss
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  was awesome. That would work and then mop it
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  reuses that idea. Obviously, in deep breath where
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  he can't remember the Clockwork droids in the fireplace, but
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  she's a bit more recent though. Well, except that the doctor
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  spends a few hundred years? Remember, between more in the
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  middle of the Impossible, Astronaut or something.
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  Just shoved a giant rubber Cactus useful.
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  Set my respect for the would have gone.
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  Yeah, you know, it would have just been fun for us, but, you
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  wouldn't have had to have seen Meg loss to enjoy a big Cactus
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  wandering around. I got this wonderful idea, you
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  know, that they could set a, you know, an episode.
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  Maybe someone like the Sarah Jane Adventures me.
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  Not here in Kew Gardens. And I was fabulous, Cactus
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  exhibition, and then they all come to life, and obviously with
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  the Sarah, Jane budget was quite small was so you can have all
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  of, you know, that bit of slime that crosses the floor layer are
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  no just hundreds on her, huh? I think it's absolutely genius.
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  I get. And in fact, it's kind of
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  sillier than what they might have done the previous year, you
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  know, in a in a season that's Really, very, very funny.
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  He having like the cat, the villains are cactuses pretty
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  pretty outrageous. So, what is leaning into Witch
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  Doctor Who has done before? But we've seen dumb brilliantly
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  later on and stuff like Battlestar Galactica and with a
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  change things in DS1 the doppelganger.
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  Yeah, and it's always fun because it means your regulars
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  can just play bad, you know? Yeah.
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  It was actually really funny. We watched behind the sofa.
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  It's not right and you see Tom kind of laughing at his own
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  perforce and kind of go. Well, that was, you know, you
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  just get the sense that he's going to go.
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  Wow, that's really super happy. Look at, look at what I'm doing.
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  And I think the great thing about the doppelganger thing is
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  this is now the second story in a row where they've put Tom in
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  makeup and required him to do an acting performance and given
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  that the admissions but yeah, because he's sales through Or
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  maybe, you know, 16 and 17 really just on the stove.
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  Oh, yeah, brother, that's it. He just sails from the strength
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  of his just performance because he is so compelling and so
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  charismatic. I don't know which one of it was
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  Chris. Fresh Feed me?
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  Or Jonathan turnover. One of them says yeah, we're
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  going to make him act. Yeah.
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  If this year and he didn't happen, we know that old age
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  makeup and he was like, I think I should get out of this, you
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  know. No I know.
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  We're going to make people think this is the doctor that
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  absolutely everywhere AB leaders going to be a cactus forever.
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  No well then maybe you know shoot you get War suddenly
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  there's all these Pricks come out we learned weeping with make
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  losses and tired. However it's really kind of
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  funny about the cactus makeup as well but I suspect that he was a
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  big prick about it. Whoops that was kind of
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  Absolutely asking if Todd babe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But he's so good in this. And, you know, there is, you
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  know, he's not well and State of Decay.
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  And his performance is really a be muted.
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  And he does look thin, doesn't they say about this?
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  I like d curls, remembrance is Curly in State of Decay.
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  Like, he's just not. Well, I would put words in
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  people's mouths. Bye.
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  They said that he was drinking too excessive.
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  Oh and depressed because it is cheaper.
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  So he said he was like going to the gym for absurd amounts of
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  the day and things like that. So he's getting thinner and
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  thinner if he's not eating he's drinking and he's working out.
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  Okay. But you remember in in the
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  commentary for the gospel asst Janet Fielding makes him
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  apologized for being such a prick.
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  I did congrats, she didn't remember but I did congratulate
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  her for making Tom apologize. Sighs research.
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  They did a redo of that commentary.
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  You know, that it's Tom Baker. Chris phrase bid me too and so
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  it's clash of the. Yeah he just wants to cry and
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  stabbed it means making him act. Yeah.
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  All those scenes in the Tardis and episode one and he starts
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  using it and we ever going to leave the Tarzan pygmies like
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  why? Don't think that's an
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  endorsement of my writers and told you I was good.
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  I like those commentaries when it gets a bit contentious, you
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  there's a fact then later hide. What I do?
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  You heard it. But Laurel Awards is that the
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  one where she says, what about the Tardis?
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  Chris is that Anna and canine and show she basically Chris
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  fresh me. This bag slacking off season 17.
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  Yeah, as I and all the things that didn't work and why it was
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  so ridiculous and Lala was just like, no, you're wrong.
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  It was fun. The way is what hi, the kids
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  loved it chose. You are just able to show her
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  you know. Thirteen-year-old nerds.
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  Yes. Because I'm fun about that
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  terrific and Haida the time and now it's true to I mean this
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  season doesn't rate very well. Does it terribly?
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  This is the what I think the full circle gets the worst
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  ratings for any Doctor Who story to a battlefield.
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  Wow, yeah, three point, one, four point nine or something
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  like that. It's really, really love.
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  But Buck Rogers is in and everyone watching that God, have
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  you seen Buck Rogers? Not bothering us for encourage
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  them to do the twice weekly, the period of some years and
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  suddenly, they're ready to go out.
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  Clubbing again, petition, their goodbyes crunches is Dreadful
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  near as good as make loss. No no, no, no, you're much
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  worse, you know you think about Tom Baker's performers, that's
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  one bit in this eyelash a Sinister where he's wearing the
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  the captain I'd make up and he comes out of the shadows and
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  sort of Lures, carrots into the yes.
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  And it's all done without dialogue.
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  Yeah, it's really quite scary. He's good.
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  Well, let's see it in action for I.
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  Okay, so I will count us in. Hmm.
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  Five, four, three, two, one. And we're off, get a decision to
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  put the screaming at right into the music.
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  Yeah. And at the end as well.
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  Yeah. So that starts war in like 71 or
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  some Barry Letts brings it indefinitely.
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  As he says in season 7 it just they have social sort of
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  Indians. Yeah it's music to those nice
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  segue what you know like I guess all of us had the experience of
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  just watching color Doctor Who and then watching black and
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  white doctor. For the first time and it was
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  sort of strange to see the episode just Fade to Black.
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  And then we got the clothes and Grant best a is when Bonnie.
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  Does it in Terror, the vote Jesus Take, why is it?
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  Oh, here we go. Right back to The Chronic
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  hysteresis. So that's actually, is that is
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  actually a screen, isn't it? There it's in Internet that
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  within the great triangles or yeah, that's nice is.
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  So didn't know there's a BBC micro and some crap at me, would
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  we be is kind of About these sets of, we were watching a Star
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  Trek episode. It's funny.
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  One of the things Star Trek has such a defined house style, and
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  it has a lot of standing set. So like when you go down to a
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  planet more often than not, it's just cobbled together, bits of
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  other things. And I remember I was watching
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  Enterprise a few days ago or last week, and there's a prop
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  there, you know, there's a prop with those lights, the long.
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  You with all of the little lights that sort of flash on and
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  off, and it's definitely in season, 1 of Star Trek.
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  The Next Generation were not fucking Enterprise very well
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  said. Where is this?
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  You know, you've got different designers and you've gone, you
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  know, like it's a little bit, there's the house style is less
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  kind of sort of descriptive. Anything.
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  There's a house. Starting 18.
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  You get that sort of fabulous Rococo designs in.
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  Yeah. Designs.
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  Including, which frog? That's what that's part of the
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  joy of Doctor Who. And one of the things that makes
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  it so difficult is that you have to build the world, you know,
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  week, even though we're going to different planets in Star Trek,
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  it's the same setting, right? Yes.
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  There, you know you made a good point there when you and I
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  talked about the Rebus operation and I said to you, I like those
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  worlds where I'm absolutely convinced that before.
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  The story took place, it was there and after the story ends
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  it goes all. Yeah.
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  I'm not sure about sofa fuhrer. Yeah.
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  Yeah I mean it's given a history, isn't it?
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  Like the screens are constructed a long time ago.
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  The technology is so old and so powerful that it's being
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  worshipped as a God. I mean I could see like a
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  continuing drama serial going on, on re boss, you know.
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  Yeah, a lot of fun. I'm not sure it.
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  Even in the same way, the planet is set up to You know, embody
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  that conflict between science and religion in a sort of star
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  treky kind of way. Really, it's homes, you know,
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  because homes always creates worlds with history and and
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  stuff people refer, you know, allude to things.
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  And, and, you know, there's different, you know, the city of
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  sure in Rebus operation, which we never see, but we just hear
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  about the say we're from the north.
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  Yeah, look at them. The thing taking off guard.
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  Dear, I hope it's wobbly, dude. Oh yeah.
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  Oh yeah. Make losses very still and
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  intense. Yeah, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I think giving Tom acting to do is a great idea.
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  He's such a lazy. I mean, you have to say that
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  giving him access to do some acting role, but I mean, you
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  don't need him to act because he's Tom and he's incredible.
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  It was so he says, isn't it? You know, I don't have to play
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  it being Doctor Who. Yeah, just me, you know, my real
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  life. That's why he says when he met
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  Elizabeth sladen out in the street, He didn't know how to
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  communicate with her because he's so used to saving the
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  universe. Yeah, he Studios.
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  You know. That's that's a him was reality.
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  I think that was part of the reason why in this season but
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  this is all coming to an end. Yeah.
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  The real world was beckoning and as a bit scary especially when
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  you're such a phenomenon, would you remember that Nationwide
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  interview that he does or is he drunk?
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  It's really unpleasant to watch. That one's is that the one where
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  he's with? Not the one we saw a merry time.
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  No no he's kind of by himself, you know?
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  Gets us because I think it'll go on.
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  He's really drunk. It's Hot.
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  It's a fair perspective Yelp they that's good.
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  We've got sort of reims of plants in front of the camera.
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  As we look at the spaceship and the spaceship, you know, I don't
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  know what they're doing there, that's a sort of, I don't know,
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  but it looks really good. Like, it looks like the model.
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  There's, there's the fat guy with the big black mustache.
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  He's still here and this is always wonderful.
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  When you've got one, very small character and Because usually
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  people around it, I just think that's great.
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  And then when you put great and that's a great line to
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  sometimes, I think you forget who I am is a pretty good line
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  for someone doubling, as the doctor only, there's no egg
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  rolls his tongue. Looking around and land brought
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  attack. Just looks like he's chewing a
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  caramel topping, he's home. What do you think about?
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  These said the servants? In fact, it's funny but I am
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  much less sympathetic to them than the deal even though I
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  think Chris right beneath know. And you know, like, I'm not at
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  all religious, but it just just this sort of smug way that
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  what's the main guy called? Oh yeah.
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  Diedrichs or very lean diedrichs.
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  Yeah. So diedrichs have a man and a
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  woman? Yeah, I like Harris actually.
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  Yeah, after the performance as well.
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  I think her name is the jokes. I get out of Tom Baker, coming
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  in and out of this is yeah. Yeah later on when it's like,
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  oh, you're back again. I say what a marvelous member.
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  Yeah, I think so. Whenever why does everyone have
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  an X in there named his face? Like so my Christian panels
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  advising and with a bit, that's the space name.
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  I think Andrew McCulloch and John fante at they hadn't
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  written science fiction before. So they might be there at the
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  rule book, right? Always got to have concierge and
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  mm. So what what, who do they come
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  back? I can't remember who they were
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  that they were going to. They were going to write project
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  Z 2 Sigma, okay? That was going to be saved.
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  Ins first story in the special features like go to Chris rage
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  pygmies house. Yes, a reunions between the
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  three of them. Yeah, and Chris, Real Madrid
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  doesn't mention that he ended up writing, but he said, no, we're
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  not doing your things about two, great armies at War for two
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  planets, or, and instead of buy weapons at each other, because I
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  know that's where it's going. Yeah, they both fire weapons at
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  Sound and it sort of mutual destruction of everybody or
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  something. Okay, I don't know and various
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  levels of their parents, a race of aliens and depending on who
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  what level of telepathic ability.
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  I do something like that. You can see, they're like
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  instant, I don't know, Stan Lee Ferry.
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  Also, her Castro valve are, is a sedate and beautiful piece.
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  Yeah, much better. Yeah, spear Davidson swear
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  allegiance to tie Tom overacting this.
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  There. But if he goes, it's great
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  pleasure to anybody. Yeah.
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  He's getting to have it and be a bit scary as well.
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  Yeah, meanwhile with, we're still back in the saddle.
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  Delia you're right. We only see sort of Snippets.
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  So yeah, yeah. It's not enough to make it
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  boring and the jokes when they have to play it out.
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  So it's really funny, isn't it? Well John Leeson.
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  He says Anthony, why don't they ever let me go out and play
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  forest or something? Yeah, there's something about
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  canines mechanism like Being you see him being led Along by a
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  string on Brighton Beach, like you can see the string, and you
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  see men bed, let Along on strings like beige, do you do?
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  But the like he moves a bit more quickly and he seems to cope a
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  bit better with kind of growl that's not completely level.
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  Whether that sort of slow, grinding noise thing we used to
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  have its, are they even? Even of a involved in the plot
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  by the end of episode two, who these Target common law.
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  Yeah, she's kidnapped by the gas tax at the end.
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  That's what. Yeah.
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  Yes lying comes in. He brought a dag.
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  I think Tom's by their knees in. No, there we go.
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  We're out of it. They won't do one, shitty pass
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  through by the power of bad acting, and then they their
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  Outlook, it's fixed it. And I love it because it
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  highlights just how good their normal accent.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  She's back. Oh, blah.
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  I love her so much. The more I admire her.
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  Yeah I think she's probably fairly terrible person with the
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  right. Honorable salmon will taste in
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  men Chicago too but it's about mention.
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  She was busy makes with Douglas Adams.
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  Yeah. That's true.
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  This bit in a minute where he goes into the dodecahedron and
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  it's this enormous glowing the yeah, it's really, it's great.
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  Yeah. And he plays out like, he's got
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  his like his hands out. He's better rating it.
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  That's wonderful. But surely then if they take
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  that away, they've got no power anymore.
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  So how is this Society running after that it Powers?
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  The entire place was. Yeah, it does.
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  So they have to learn to not be dependent on anymore, maybe
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  they've got reserves that will ask them, you know, a day.
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  Yeah. But a couple of car batteries.
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  Yeah, I think that's the. Looks like he's saying I lost a
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  day. Yeah, the poor access.
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  You know what? Apparently in his Heyday he was
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  a really striking actor. Right?
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  He is past its best here. Yeah, you're struggling with
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  some of the dialogue. Yeah, I think that's right.
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  And it's good dialogue as well. Yeah, I mean he does kind of
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  sell it and I think the scenes between him and He's pretty
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  great and he's an important character.
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  I think I like, I like the idea of, I mean, it is, you know,
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  this sort of pretend society that, you know, and his job is
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  to kind of smooth things over between these two factions.
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  So they've gone for and they do generally adults who they've
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  gone for these very economic amount of characters.
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  Yeah, to portray this entire planet.
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  One old man, you've got two or three people vote for people on
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  this. Violet, she won't she doesn't
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  get. She doesn't get a sidekick the
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  way that diedrichs does. So there's two Dion's.
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  I'm are just one pushed on heat. It knows who she is.
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  Yeah. And but that always does that.
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  That's yeah, yeah. They're just so well done.
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  That. So oh yes.
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  Now I remember what's happening here.
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  It looks great, doesn't it, it's really bright right here.
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  Not good in a way that sort of Blows the videotape out a bit,
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  you know. Like they don't need to do a
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  special effect on it because elective, that bright light is
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  doing his eyes off. He said, yeah, we're getting
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  back to that. Yeah.
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  I want to see it away Pockets amount of times this week, more
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  tiny asleep. I'll here we go.
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  I'll, you know, I'll is wobbling away.
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  Yeah, but instead of just finding slowly across the studio
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  for this costume, in sort of Lights of all sleeves are.
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  Yeah so June Hudson does the behind the so far on this one
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  and she remembers exactly how she made it.
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  It and where she bought the lace from and hold Germain Street.
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  It's beautiful. I think that's a great outfit
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  and Janet's on the other sofa and she's complaining about the
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  fact that she has to weigh the same fucking thing for an entire
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  year int. Yeah I'm Lala got to wear
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  something different every month. He said, that's why your costume
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  because she pulled. So what what flowers best
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  costume? I think it's hearty closed.
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  Five year when it's the Warriors guy who owned the red one, the
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  blood red ball. Oh okay.
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  Oh, oh, the horns of nine. Yeah, well she sort of Posh girl
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  like she's done a Gymkhana so they need is just
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  a dress and she doesn't like the Creature from the pit one.
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  Either where she's like, Co-op. They tried to make me glamorous
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  low Mary time. Yeah, well it's funny.
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  What a funny. Big further say that
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  this. So It's not like, you know,
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  you've got the two sides of the argument religion science.
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  But now the doctor in inverted, commas has gone in the stalinist
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  and working together. They're sort of tiptoeing around
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  together. You got a letter and or
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  something. Kara is how I love that.
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  I really like that. See the way, you know, this
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  planet is a bit disposable is in episode 4 when we foil the plot
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  to, we don't go back to whatever we do with the.
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  So yeah, we don't care about it, you know, we never we just Okay,
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  well I think once Jackie's dead like okay yeah, wrestling with a
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  foam Rome like I like nightmare because of the weird color
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  palette and the deities. I just mean this the jungle said
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  jungle say less expensive and less convincing than it is here
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  suddenly the mandrels work when they're just glowing eyes in the
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  forest. Yeah yeah we're in a brightly
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  lit Corridor their kind of hilariously bad but what's great
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  about this is the megalith makeup stands up to you know
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  strong lighting. I mean you can see and see kind
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  of that it sort of transparent plastic over actors face.
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  Has. And slain always say that I
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  could have. No.
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  I just thought it was an incredible.
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  I think it is really creepy. Yeah, yeah, I think it's
• 24:23
  fantastic. So now they all think the
• 24:26
  doctors betray them is how it start their house.
• 24:29
  Keep selling that that betrayal. Oh, now she's using technology.
• 24:35
  Yeah, of course. Oh this is great stopped at all
• 24:40
  costs and then here he is. Tom Baker, covered in Prix.
• 24:46
  It's it's the in the behind the sofa that he wore at home on the
• 24:56
  bus or on the tube. And Hazel wouldn't people
• 24:59
  wouldn't sit next to him on the tube or whatever, you know, it's
• 25:02
  not Is there something on my face?
• 25:09
  Although, there is a wonderful bit a bit, where it's the doctor
• 25:13
  in there and Lexus like, you know, stop the doctor.
• 25:15
  Find him at all costs that there's a garden.
• 25:18
  Literature has a gun, right? Yeah.
• 25:21
  We're talking to that business. Yeah, told me it.
• 25:24
  Is that himself doing this evening?
• 25:31
  He's a dog. She remembers every detail.
• 25:36
  I mean shit, but she is a bit of an amine is affectionate old
• 25:39
  fossil that's because shorty old lady.
• 25:41
  She says, you know, modern TVs. Yeah.
• 25:45
  You know, the effects of conjured in cyberspace or
• 25:47
  somewhere that she, you know, I think she was well-loved.
• 25:53
  Oh yeah, no, I then she is fantastic at these sort of
• 25:56
  Staff. She's certainly having fun.
• 25:58
  Hauling our wear anything happen.
• 26:02
  Even if it's got question marks on, Color.
• 26:04
  Obviously, stop the doctor. Take.
• 26:07
  Yeah, he's looking up for no reason and then he looks down
• 26:11
  and there's a gun in his face and then he's like succumb to
• 26:14
  arrest. This is great because I was it.
• 26:16
  Tom was playing both roles and yeah it feels completely
• 26:19
  different. Yeah.
• 26:22
  The intensity is gone and it's that goofball.
• 26:25
  Yeah, exactly. It's Astor house.
• 27:05
  Reaction. Speed son cry.
• 27:07
  That's so dr. Ish isn't it?
• 27:08
  She's absolutely completely chill.
• 27:11
  And she smiles and says something, I mean she's the
• 27:14
  doctor by the time. Oh yeah, shit.
• 27:17
  Yeah. Queries Guy.
• 27:18
  Where she comes out the Tardis? I'm bamboozles, you know, raw
• 27:21
  vacant or yeah, she's absolutely doctor there.
• 27:24
  But here where her first reaction to seeing these Pirates
• 27:27
  is to smile and then duck and then run very slowly through
• 27:30
  this tiny thing. That's what I mean.
• 27:34
  Listen not doing Caroline for when she's running on the spot
• 27:37
  in the Daleks, we produced a little bit of space to run
• 27:39
  around. Well, that's true, but she
• 27:41
  doesn't have a lot of sleep lately.
• 27:43
  That's how you are the background.
• 27:45
  There is much better than that Star Trek one wheel, which is
• 27:50
  what in the future with a bigger budget.
• 27:53
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is marvelous.
• 27:56
  She's seen too much kill her. He and I'm not sure if that's
• 28:05
  scary on any level for children or adults do and it she doesn't
• 28:09
  look too scared. She looks well a little bit out
• 28:12
  of breath but she can do scare can't she wear your?
• 28:14
  Yeah, Destiny of the Daleks part 1, the Cliffhanger that she's
• 28:18
  cells are completely herself that she does occasion of a bit
• 28:21
  of Diana Rigg about our. Yeah, she yeah.
• 28:24
  I mean that's more of a kind of Mary thing.
• 28:33
  She sounds inconvenient. Yeah, it's all the shit that's
• 28:36
  it. Okay, well, I'm gonna hit you
• 28:38
  with two quick questions, okay? As we go out of episode 2 or
• 28:42
  they're still coming. Good grade.
• 28:44
  Oh, goodness. Well, they say people are
• 28:46
  terribly sorry. Okay, then your night asked, was
• 28:50
  this bit in the script? Or was it just Tom venting his
• 28:53
  frustration on camera and Terrence Dudley forgot to edit
• 28:56
  out? It's when Meg or says
• 28:57
  Creighton's morons and half-wits no, I Like, toms out Tom's in
• 29:05
  like, he's not in charge anymore, and I think that like,
• 29:11
  I never objected Tom being in charge of Series 17 and just
• 29:14
  getting to do whatever he wants because he's really funny but
• 29:18
  but that's definitely not Tom. Okay.
• 29:21
  I thought I quite understand this question and they always
• 29:23
  help me out in a plant on plant fight to the death.
• 29:27
  Who do you think would win between make loss and Uncle the
• 29:32
  athlete? That's a ask us for this
• 29:35
  transferred on the adventure game.
• 29:38
  One of seen it, I'd never see me Adventure game.
• 29:40
  Could we could say, who would win, who would win out of a
• 29:44
  fight between the warka plants? Marvelous, the cotton brain or
• 29:51
  Aid? Do they the vervoids?
• 29:55
  And you mean boss rubba the Bob is not very mobile.
• 30:04
  No, is it? The fur boys are humanoid.
• 30:06
  Yeah. They could probably do pretty
• 30:08
  well. Yeah, and they're doing
• 30:09
  splendidly, I mean How does the how does this
• 30:32
  satisfy? The bid me drive for hard
• 30:34
  science or indeed the J&T ambition for no humor.
• 30:38
  When the villainous revealed in episode 1 as of talking cacti?
• 30:42
  And why did anyone think that would work?
• 30:45
  I don't think there's a no humor directive in season 18.
• 30:50
  It's just a little toned. Down its own, download rip up
• 30:54
  too many jokes. Out of David, fishes scripting
• 30:57
  in Leisure Hive, but you know, like they're casting Bill
• 31:02
  Fraser, and Freddy, whatever is facing the Pirates and they're
• 31:06
  funny the whole time. I mean, I don't even Essa.
• 31:08
  Yeah, your Father's Farm is hardly a black market but also I
• 31:15
  think bid made as I said before bid me thinks he's doing hard
• 31:19
  science but he isn't. Yeah.
• 31:20
  And so here where the science is Magic In fact, you know, like,
• 31:26
  the whole even though you've got people representing religion,
• 31:29
  and people representing science, there's, you know, they're
• 31:35
  having science and religion about the same things and, you
• 31:38
  know, like the dodecahedron is a platonic solid.
• 31:42
  Like, you know, like it's not a, you know, it's not a power
• 31:46
  station or anything like this, it's a powerful platonic solid
• 31:50
  like it couldn't possibly be more magical and so I think that
• 31:56
  I think that what bid me does is he makes the rules clear.
• 32:04
  And so we can't just pull something out of our ass and
• 32:07
  have the dog doesn't get out by saying some techno Babble or
• 32:10
  something. And, you know, I think that's an
• 32:13
  improvement. But to say that b means Doing
• 32:15
  Hard science, ready to sit in our culture as well.
• 32:18
  Yeah. And adds like a mythology.
• 32:21
  Sorry. All feels a bit more substantial
• 32:23
  than yeah. Then what?
• 32:24
  We've had bad and when it comes to the, you know, the plant
• 32:27
  question about, how they think they get away with it.
• 32:30
  Well, you know, there were moving plants in the keys of
• 32:32
  marinus. Yep.
• 32:33
  We've just mentioned Varga plant yet crinoids.
• 32:35
  Yeah. Like I think everyone feels like
• 32:38
  they can get away but I'm not sure.
• 32:39
  I can. This was a lot of fun.
• 32:41
  Yeah and you know Doctor Who should be fun.
• 32:44
  Yeah that's right. I'll stop it there.
• 32:48
  That's a good one. Good.