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The "Alpine Divorce": Why Narcissists Abandon You When You’re Vulnerable · The Mental Healness Podcast

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  Yeah, what in the hell is an Alpine divorce and why is it
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  trending right now in the field in a niche of narcissistic abuse
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  and toxic relationships? If you don't know what an Alpine
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  divorce is, y'all, it's when a woman gets left in the
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  wilderness or in the middle of the ocean or on a hike or at the
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  top of a mountain somewhere by a toxic, abusive, narcissistic
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  person, right? They leave them there to be
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  stranded, to pass away, to get lost and hopefully never make it
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  back like the Guardian right here did.
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  An article on it says women are being abandoned by their
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  partners on hiking trails. What's behind that Alpine
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  divorce? As a diagnosed narcissist Alpine
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  divorce, when I hear that term, what I think of is narcissistic
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  abandonment. It's the old Yeah.
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  If a narcissist is all about power and control, wouldn't
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  abandoning you on the top of a mountain or deep in the woods be
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  the ultimate power play? I mean, wouldn't it wouldn't
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  leave if I wanted to have the ultimate discard, why would I
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  not leave you on a top of a mountain somewhere, right?
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  Am I right that that just makes sense, right?
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  From a perspective of a diagnosed narcissist, it makes
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  sense to leave you somewhere. And of course, you know how the
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  mind of a narcissist works, right?
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  If I leave you somewhere in the woods, it's not going to be my
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  fault, right? It's because I'm not going to
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  just take off running. It's like, bye.
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  What I'm going to do is say you're too slow, you I got lost,
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  I couldn't find you or you ran off on your own.
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  I'm always going to have an excuse or reason to blame you
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  for it. So when I go, when I, when I as
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  a narcissist or toxic person, an abusive person, a neglectful
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  person, when I make it out of the woods, I and people just ask
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  me what happened. I could just say.
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  It wasn't my fault, they were just too slow.
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  I missed them though. I hope we can find them.
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  Knowing in all actuality, they don't really hope that they can
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  find you right. They hope that you stay lost so
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  they can like collect either life insurance.
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  They can have their new supply move in immediately and things
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  of that nature. It very rarely is for no reason
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  right. Even in this this article by the
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  Guardian, a woman named MJ said she met up up with her partner
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  and they went hiking in Utah. And guess what it says I As they
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  made their way up Angel's Landing, M JS partner started
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  walking faster than her. I could tell it was getting on
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  his nerves that I was slow. She said I was like F it just go
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  ahead of me. He did it without hesitation
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  when she caught when she caught up at the top of the mountain,
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  they took a picture together. Then her partner hiked down the
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  mountain with the woman he met on the way up, leaving MJ to
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  finish by herself. They broke up shortly after trip
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  right? That's crazy.
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  That really is crazy. Now in that situation, the
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  partner survived right? But there are cases out there,
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  but the partner is not so lucky. But I found a video on TikTok of
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  a woman who had who went through an Alpine divorce and she's just
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  broken down. Check this out and y'all see her
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  tag at the bottom right? I'm going to show another video
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  in a second. But this is you see it on the
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  screen says you go on a hike with him and you're in the
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  mountains, but he leaves you alone by yourself and you
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  realize he never liked you to begin with.
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  Oof, look you. Hit right here.
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  Never came with him. You think about.
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  It she pretty much saying I should have never came with him.
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  I knew he didn't like me and whatnot.
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  He can't really hear it and the music actually gets louder.
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  But on her page, she actually goes into a description of what
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  actually happened and breaks it down.
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  Here she goes right here. Y'all, I can see her.
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  There's the woman behind the last video.
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  She's somebody said can you do a follow up on this video?
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  I want to. I'm glad you're safe.
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  To North McCullough Wilderness. Well, we got to North McCullough
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  Wilderness, started hiking, and maybe 10 minutes in he sees
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  other hikers ahead of us. He says he wants to beat them to
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  the top. He said we should run, and I
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  remember thinking why are we racing strangers to the top of
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  the mountain? The time I was feeling bold so I
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  said OK. I had a bulky black jacket on
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  and my camera bag. So I stopped for maybe 30
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  seconds, adjusted. When I looked up, I couldn't see
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  him anymore. Called his name.
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  Nothing. And he can't pretend that he
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  didn't not he know he's with her, so he's not looking back.
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  I know people each other. Maybe he didn't hear you're with
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  you. Y'all came together.
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  You came with her, right? This is gracious.
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  Sorry, I I got excited. Y'all get angry with this stuff
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  sometimes. Nothing grieved his name.
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  He did not turn around in panic at first because I thought he'd
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  eventually turn around when he saw I hadn't caught up to him.
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  I never heard a silence that loud. 30 minutes later he calls
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  me back and says where are you 30?
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  Minutes where? Am I you left me goes.
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  Why would you keep walking, you stupid and.
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  Didn't I tell y'all before I even played her video?
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  I haven't heard her video. Did I take it before that he was
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  going to blame her? I got it.
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  I said this is when this narcissistic people with this
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  Alpine divorce leave you in the wilderness type of stuff,
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  they're going to find a reason to blame you.
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  He hangs up. That was the moment it hit me.
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  He did not care. I was alone.
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  I started crying. That's when I got out my vape
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  and glasses and I started recording because I never wanted
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  to forget this one right now. That's what she reported.
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  I was just hurt. I was so hurt.
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  I didn't see him for almost another hour.
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  I have to ask a random man if he has seen him.
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  When I finally found him, he was laughing.
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  He said good job, you found your way.
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  Then we're climbing up the steepest part of the mountain
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  and we see these ancient petroglyphs.
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  You went on a different part of the mountain with him after he
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  left you on the other part. I'm trying to blame.
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  I'm not trying to blame her. Like leave you victim.
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  No, no. I thought she had made her way
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  off but she's still on the mountain so I got it wrong.
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  Carved into the rocks. He's fascinated.
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  He wants me to look at them. I'm taking pictures and videos
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  of the sky, the mountains and the view, trying to ground
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  myself. And he starts laughing calling
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  me corny for taking pictures. I call him the same exact words
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  he called me earlier, loses it and he says I'm not taking you
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  back home. At that point I start following
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  him because yes you are taking me back home, you should.
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  And I thought him leaving me before was the worst part.
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  What happened after that was even fucking worse.
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  When we got to North McCullough Wilderness started hike.
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  And that's the last video on our page.
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  That really is the last. That's the last video on our
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  page right here. You can see her username and
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  stuff at the top, but that's the last video on our page talking
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  about it. But that just goes to show you,
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  like I said in the beginning, when a narcissist or types of
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  person wants to harm you or discard you in some way, shape
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  or form, they'll find creative ways no matter how evil the
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  creativity is, right? Because it's evil as hell.
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  You got to think about it in that direction right there.
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  How evil is it? How evil do you got to be to
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  leave your partner on top of a mountain and then call her the B
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  word, then get angry when she calls you the B word back?
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  That makes sense to y'all. In the world of narcissistic
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  abuse and toxic relationship dynamics, this type of stuff
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  happens all the time in different ways, y'all.
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  Like I said, luckily for her, she survived and she made it off
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  the mountain because, you know, she understood and survived the
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  right. But not everybody else is so
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  lucky. In this article right here by
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  the Guardian, it says climber convicted of manslaughter after
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  leaving girlfriend on Austria's highest peak to seek help.
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  So she he's a he was an experienced climber.
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  She wasn't these are first. I think it was one of her first
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  climbs And he left her birth to die and he only got a 5 month
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  suspended prison sentence. Five months of suspended prison
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  sentence for leaving his partner, leaving his girlfriend
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  on a mountain to die. Do y'all understand that right
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  there. Look right here.
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  Read it. Amateur.
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  An amateur Mountaineer has been found guilty of gross negligence
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  manslaughter over the death of his girlfriend, whom he left
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  behind on Austria's highest peak after they got into difficulty
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  on their climb. Yeah, I believe that they
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  actually got into difficulty on their climb.
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  It just an accident just happened and he just left her
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  there. No, he probably just literally
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  decided to just dip on her and just outran her.
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  But it's just that he was headed at five months suspended
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  sentence and it's a fine 9400, whatever that is an offense that
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  carries a maximum prison term of three years.
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  One day hearing experts say the ruling says a president could
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  influence international standards.
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  No, his ass needed to go to jail.
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  Like has pleaded not guilty and told the court he was endlessly
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  sorry for his girlfriend's death.
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  His lawyer man, get the hell out of here.
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  The court after that the grueling day just it's it's
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  crazy. He didn't really get in any
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  trouble And I honestly, I might have overspoke earlier, right?
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  Not not every single time is the point of leaving you on the
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  mountain for you to die, right? Sometimes they don't necessarily
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  want you to die. Sometimes they actually just
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  want you. It's like a mic.
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  It's got a micro discard, right? They want to discard you, but
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  they don't have the courage to. They want you to be the one that
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  ends it. So a an Alpine divorce could be
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  a reverse discard if you think about it, right?
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  Because they don't necessarily have the courage to break up
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  with you. They want you to be the one that
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  ends it. So they do something horrible
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  like leave you on a mountaintop, right?
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  They leave your ass on a mountaintop or in the woods,
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  deep into the woods, and you survive and you break up with
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  them because you're angry and you're upset, right?
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  So even if you survive this, right, you don't pass away.
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  Even if you survive, they still accomplish their goal of getting
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  the relationship to end right? And then if they're cheating on
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  you or they're lying to you or they're doing something behind
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  the scenes, they can be manipulative and just say, oh,
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  they broke up with me. They they got lost on the
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  mountain and they blame me. And then they can have an excuse
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  to move on to the new supply. You see what I'm saying?
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  Because as y'all know, our sister says love love love.
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  So new supply, don't we? And also if you think about the
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  Alpine divorce thing right here, what ends up happening is it, is
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  it really a power dynamic? Because they want to be in total
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  control of everything. And if you upset them, they
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  cannot necessarily discard your period.
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  They can punish you because they are in control.
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  Life or death, they are in control of it, right?
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  It's like if a narcissist has a God complex.
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  Even the threat of an Alpine divorce can get you into a
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  different space, right? They can just threaten you.
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  They can absolutely. I'm going to leave you on this
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  mountain. I'm going to leave you in these
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  woods. If you don't do what I say, I'm
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  going to leave you here, which is scary as hell, ain't it?
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  I would think it's scary as hell if I was.
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  If I was an amateur backpacker or an amateur hiker and I'm in
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  the woods somewhere, guess what could happen?
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  You can literally threaten to leave me my ass out here or you
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  see what I'm saying? And this, it's a control thing,
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  y'all, It really is 100% a controlling mentality.
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  They want to be in control of you.
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  They want to punish you, they want to manipulate you.
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  They want to do all this other stuff to stay inside of it to
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  keep this type of stuff going. But guess what?
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  Not everybody makes it away unscathed in these situations.
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  Not the aggressor because y'all hear the famous case of Gerhard
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  Dr. Gerhard Koenig in Hawaii because he actually just got
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  found guilty of trying to push his wife off of Cliff on one of
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  these and try to literally an Alpine divorce.
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  Y'all see it right here. His man literally just got found
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  guilty of attempted manslaughter for trying to push his wife off
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  of a Cliff. You got to look into that right
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  there, right? He was charged with trying to
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  kill his wife during a birthday hike last year on her birthday.
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  He tried to kill her on her birthday.
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  Yeah, but he was only convicted of attempted manslaughter based
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  on emotional and mental disturbance.
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  Y'all got to watch my other video on this right here because
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  he said he snapped and just couldn't take it anymore and
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  whatever and he tried to push her off a Cliff.
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  It's a crazy story. I just did a recent video on it
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