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The Murder of Tair Rada · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Why is it that we as humans tend to get
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  Speaker 1: so focused on something to the point that we have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time seeing what's going on beyond our own
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  Speaker 1: point of view. It happens in everyday life, and it
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  Speaker 1: happens in criminal investigations. In two thousand and six, a
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  Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl lost her life and authorities tried
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  Speaker 1: to find answers. However, they became so focused on one
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  Speaker 1: suspect that they completely overlooked the truth. This is the
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  Speaker 1: story of a little girl named Tayir Rada.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience
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  Speaker 1: listener discretion.
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  Speaker 2: There is a solid chance that there might be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of coughing in the background of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole's still getting over her illness. I think we mentioned
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  Speaker 1: it last.
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  Speaker 2: Episode two weeks but I'm in the cough coughing era.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel good, but this sound like pooh.
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  Speaker 2: My voice is actually pretty well mostly the same. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to hold in a cough, probably occasionally
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  Speaker 2: because I ran out of cough candy.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay, What would make up for it, though, is
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  Speaker 1: you don't need a cough candy when you have a drink.
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  Speaker 1: At least that's my theory.
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  Speaker 2: That's your theory. I think a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: sick right now.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. It's just the time of year. Really.
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  Speaker 2: Also, we're recording today on Monday, so if anyone out
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  Speaker 2: there is feeling like, you know, a little down, it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty normal this time of year.
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  Speaker 1: I just learned what blue Monday was actually because you
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  Speaker 1: told me about it. That kind of sucks just thinking
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  Speaker 1: about it makes me feel a little blue.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember all the things, but basically one of
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  Speaker 2: them or a few of them. It's like you're kind
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  Speaker 2: of debt from Christmas time, right, Yeah, you haven't met
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  Speaker 2: maybe your New Year's resolutions that you've set.
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  Speaker 1: It's cold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like kind of a gloomy time of year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah. Just yesterday though, we tried to make
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  Speaker 1: ourselves a little bit happier. We had some fried chicken
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  Speaker 1: for dinner. We fried some chicken in our tiny home
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  Speaker 1: for the first time ever.
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  Speaker 2: Hate our feelings, is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 1: Some soul food, some comfort food. It was delicious.
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  Speaker 2: It was actually amazing comfort food.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We also want to give a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a shout out to anyone who's a new listener and
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  Speaker 1: coming over from YouTube, because we had some people comment
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  Speaker 1: recently at they're heading over from YouTube. There. We've been active,
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  Speaker 1: we've been posting some stuff, we've been getting some views.
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  Speaker 1: We hit yeah, eight thousand subscribers today, so that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Really cool. Yeah, I'm enjoying that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going to keep posting. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: keep doing that thing and having fun. We also post
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  Speaker 1: over on Patreon too, we sure do. And we had
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  Speaker 1: some new patrons sign up this week. So we had
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  Speaker 1: James and Morgan sign up, Lisa Nunez and Miranda Crittenden. Nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so thank you so much for signing up on Patreon.
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  Speaker 1: They get all that behind the scenes content. They got
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  Speaker 1: to post about our fried chicken in fact, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me taking a giant bite of fried chicken.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good, it was delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I want to tell you guys today, this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a long episode. So something wrong with that though,
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, nothing wrong with it at all. Us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit longer in all honesty, this should be a
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  Speaker 1: two parter one percent should be a two parter, but
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  Speaker 1: I literally think last episodes that I'm going to try
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  Speaker 1: and not do two parters. We won't be doing a
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  Speaker 1: two parter for a little while. So you're basically getting
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  Speaker 1: two episodes at once today because I'm refusing to make
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  Speaker 1: this a two parter. It's just going to be a
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  Speaker 1: long episode. That's kind of cool though, It's like bonus,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of is so so buckley you seat belts.
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  Speaker 1: You might need to listen to this on your way
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  Speaker 1: to work and on your way home from work. Whatever
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  Speaker 1: the case, You're probably going to need some extra time today.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of that being said.
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  Speaker 2: With that being said, yeah, the intro was a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a doozy.
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  Speaker 1: It was so you ready for this one? I am okay.
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  Speaker 1: So this one is actually a very large case and
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  Speaker 1: it took place on the other side of the world,
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  Speaker 1: not over here in North America. It takes place in
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  Speaker 1: the picturesque town of Catsrin, which is nestled less than
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  Speaker 1: an hour's drive from the bustling city of Haifa in Israel.
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  Speaker 1: The Rada family led a quiet and close knit kind
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  Speaker 1: of life, so Schmuel and Lana Rata were the parents
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  Speaker 1: to three children, the youngest being Taiir. She was a
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  Speaker 1: vibrant soul who brought light to like pretty much the
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  Speaker 1: whole family's life. I mean, of course, like everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the family, but she was she was quite a bright,
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  Speaker 1: bright young girl. Now, the age gap between Tayer and
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  Speaker 1: her older brothers Roy and o'had was just enough for
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  Speaker 1: them to assume the roles of protecting guardians over their
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  Speaker 1: blood little sister. Okay, so they they held a soft
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  Speaker 1: spot little sister, and they kind of looked over her
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  Speaker 1: as much as I think any any older brother would.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you see your your younger sister getting
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  Speaker 1: picked on, I'm pretty sure the older brother would be
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  Speaker 1: like there to to protect her and get her back
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  Speaker 1: sort of situation. Yeah, you lose your mind, I think.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: From the time she was a baby, Tyer had a
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  Speaker 1: magnetic quality that drew people towards her. Her name actually
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  Speaker 1: meaning she will light up. Really that's the actual meaning
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  Speaker 1: of her name.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it literally seemed to manifest in her personality.
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  Speaker 1: So a suitable name.
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  Speaker 2: I yes, So they picked a really good name for her.
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  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. Yeah. Now to Toyar was the embodiment of
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  Speaker 1: Charsma and often becoming a focal point of attention wherever
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  Speaker 1: she went. With a love for music and drama, she
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  Speaker 1: effortlessly transformed into a captivating dancer. So she loved her art,
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  Speaker 1: She loved theater, she loved music. It was just ingrained
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  Speaker 1: in her and among her friends, she held the title
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  Speaker 1: of Queen Bee, a natural leader. Yeah, Queen Bee. She
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  Speaker 1: was a natural leader who's every move inspired others to
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  Speaker 1: follow suit. Yet her beauty, intelligence, and talents occasionally stirred
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  Speaker 1: jealousy among some of her peers, leading to conflicts within
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  Speaker 1: her circle. Fortunately, the bonds forged in their relationships and
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  Speaker 1: upbringings always managed to mend any of the occasional riffs. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So she was, as all accounts from I could find
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  Speaker 1: in my research, magnificent, bright, smart, happy young girl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah she sounds like a really special little girl.
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  Speaker 1: M M Now Nofie gol in high school in Golan
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  Speaker 1: Heights became the backdrop of tay Year's teenage years. Like
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  Speaker 1: many kids in the area, she would walk to school
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  Speaker 1: and walk back home on foot. A call to her
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  Speaker 1: mom upon arriving home became a daily ritual. She'd get
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  Speaker 1: home from school, you know, drop her bag any entranceway
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  Speaker 1: or the house or whatever and ring up mom being like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: I'm home sort of thing, just kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: reasassuring signal that all's all's good.
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  Speaker 2: Right wonderor mom's at work kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So on the sixth of December in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, an ordinary school day took an abrupt
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  Speaker 1: turn ty year. Like any other teenager, seeking a break
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  Speaker 1: from routine, decided to skip the last period of the day. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Fun fact, I only ever actually skipped one class in
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  Speaker 1: high school. Nope, that's wrong. Two two two.
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  Speaker 2: One of them I remember, was to get like a
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  Speaker 2: CD or something.
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  Speaker 1: My one of my favorite bands, System of Down came
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  Speaker 1: up with a new CD and I went to go
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  Speaker 1: get it. And the other one was just arbitrary skipping. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I know I was not a goodie two shoes, but
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  Speaker 1: I was just really afraid of authority catching me. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: she was opting to spend the day with her friends. Now,
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  Speaker 1: little did anyone suspect that this seemingly typical day would
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  Speaker 1: plunge into complete darkness. Around one twenty Tayre was thirsty
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  Speaker 1: and made her way to the main building for a
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  Speaker 1: sip of water. Several students witnessed her make her way
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  Speaker 1: to the mid floor, where the tenth grade classes were situated.
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  Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to them, this would be the last time anyone
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  Speaker 1: saw Tayer alive.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yeah, what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Tayer's mother, Lana, became quite concerned when the customary afternoon
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  Speaker 1: call from her daughter never came through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She initially brushed off any worries and just kind
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  Speaker 1: of assumed to herself that her daughter had simply gone
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  Speaker 1: to a friend's house, or was hanging out with friends,
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  Speaker 1: or was something right distracted or something. Yeah, the call
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  Speaker 1: would come soon enough. However, as a clock ticked away
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  Speaker 1: and Taier remained absent, anxiety quickly took. Without hesitation, Lana
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  Speaker 1: dialed Tayer's cell phone, desperation growing with each and every
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  Speaker 1: unanswered ring. She knew something wasn't right. There was no answer.
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  Speaker 1: Tyer never picked up. In a panic, she sounded the
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  Speaker 1: alarm to find her daughter. Schmule. Tayer's father rushed home
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  Speaker 1: as friends and neighbors, armed with concern and flashlights, combed
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  Speaker 1: the streets where she walked and where she was last seen.
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  Speaker 1: At the school. They were searching the school at about
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  Speaker 1: seven pm. Dark hallways echoed with each footsteps as they're
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  Speaker 1: running up and down the halls trying to find You're
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  Speaker 1: looking in classrooms, calling out her name, and it eventually
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  Speaker 1: led them to the girl's bathroom on the tenth grade floor.
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  Speaker 1: Still in the darkness, there was a single locked stall door.
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  Speaker 1: Beneath that door, a pair of feet or scene and
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  Speaker 1: remained still even as they called out Tier's name. Now
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  Speaker 1: they access the adjacent stall, peaked over the wall to
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  Speaker 1: look inside and found a gruesome scene. Tier's lifeless body
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  Speaker 1: was slumped over blood stained walls and floor. Her throat
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  Speaker 1: was slashed and multiple stab wounds marred her all over.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa she was found dead inside the school? Oh my gosh?
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  Speaker 2: And was she in grade ten?
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  Speaker 1: Then she was thirteen? Whatever that math equates to for grades,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not certain. I don't think that would be grade ten.
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  Speaker 2: No, okay, that just doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to dive into what does and doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense in this case. Oh okay, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: wild ride, so prepare yourself. So the discovery prompted an
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  Speaker 1: immediate call to police and rightfully sold I mean there
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  Speaker 1: was a deceased child in the school, yes, And they
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  Speaker 1: quickly came to the scene, a crowd, a mass at
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  Speaker 1: the school gates and schmule. Tayer's father was desperate for
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  Speaker 1: confirmation that it was his daughter. He tried to burst
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  Speaker 1: in the school to try and see, but he was
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  Speaker 1: met with absolute refusal. The scene was far too gruesome
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  Speaker 1: and nightmarish. One of Tiger's brother was so overwhelmed with
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  Speaker 1: grief he even was faced with the threat of sedation
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  Speaker 1: by authorities. The community found itself in absolute disbelief. How
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  Speaker 1: could a young girl meet such a grizzly fate within
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  Speaker 1: the confines of this school, And like she's.
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  Speaker 2: So vibrant and everything too right, like.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly any sense doesn't. So fear took hold and parents
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  Speaker 1: hesitated to send the children back to an environment that
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  Speaker 1: was tainted with tragedy. And I mean understandably the school
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  Speaker 1: suspending classes for several days, shut the doors like shit's going.
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  Speaker 2: Down, right, absolutely well, yeah, an investigation would have to
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  Speaker 2: go down too well.
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  Speaker 1: And even still, like the well being of the other students,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yes, someone that I went I go
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  Speaker 1: to class with was murdered yesterday and I'm still expected
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  Speaker 1: to sit here and study science, Like yeah, hello, No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that something that would go well, So yeah, understandably,
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  Speaker 1: the school was shut down for a little while. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the murder, the police extended their
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  Speaker 1: search beyond the immediate school vicinity, spanning the border landscape
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  Speaker 1: of Golden Heights and Galli, which is the surrounding area. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this puzzled the community, who are expecting a more focused
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  Speaker 1: investigation around the school premises itself. I mean, after all,
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  Speaker 1: that's where she was last seen, that's where her remains
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  Speaker 1: were found, So why are they searching the grounds past
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  Speaker 1: the school? Didn't make a lot of sense. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean unless I don't know, unless unless they had reason. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, but it was kind of like raising
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  Speaker 1: some eyebrows, like, well, what the hell you should be
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  Speaker 1: like searching in here? But whatever, And as the days unfolded,
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  Speaker 1: police did turn their attention to the students, attempting to
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  Speaker 1: reconstruct Teyor's final moments. So two witnesses reported seeing Tayir
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  Speaker 1: ascend the stairs alone heading to that floor, right that
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  Speaker 1: tenth grade floor, and there was no one else trailing
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  Speaker 1: behind her. So between one thirty and two ten pm,
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  Speaker 1: A significant number of girls moved in and out of
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  Speaker 1: that very bathroom between ten to twelve to be precise. Strangely,
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  Speaker 1: only five were subjected to police questioning, okay, which raised
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  Speaker 1: some more eyebrows, like, why aren't you questioning all the girls? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, and I'm it's also surprising that. Well, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you carry on, because like you think that
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  Speaker 2: the gruesome scene would extend out of the stall slightly,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe it didn't. It didn't really like you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have you wouldn't know, you could go in the stall
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  Speaker 2: right next and you would have no fucking idea.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent certain because I can't say
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  Speaker 1: I know how the stall was shaped. Okay. I do
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  Speaker 1: know that it said that you could see feet underneath
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  Speaker 1: the stall, but I don't know how big that gap is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: So I know that there's different shaped stalls different countries
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  Speaker 1: that you go to. If it's here in North America,
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  Speaker 1: I could probably speak to what the stall looks like,
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  Speaker 1: but going over to Israel, it might be completely different
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  Speaker 1: than what I'm aware could be.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But I mean, you're also not paying attention to
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  Speaker 2: something out of the blue or or you wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: thinking something next to you would be that disturbing, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so fair, I guess the.
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  Speaker 1: Things I do know is that they did say you
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  Speaker 1: can see feet underneath the stall and there was blood
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  Speaker 1: on the floor. Okay, I do know that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you could see the blood.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you have to get down on
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  Speaker 1: your hands and knees and really peek through a crack
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  Speaker 1: and who's doing that? Yeah, And you're probably not going
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  Speaker 1: to see blood on the floor if you're that, if
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  Speaker 1: you're having to like peak with one eye through your
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  Speaker 1: crack like right, like I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're giving the person privacy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, among the accounts that was given was
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  Speaker 1: that of no far Ben David, who was a friend
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  Speaker 1: of Ta years, who claimed to have spotted an unfamiliar
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  Speaker 1: girl with curly hair in the restroom. Now. She insisted
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  Speaker 1: not on not recognizing the girl before or after the event,
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  Speaker 1: speculating that she was, like, you know, a new student
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  Speaker 1: at the school, maybe new addition whatever. However, she did
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  Speaker 1: identify that the girl was wearing the school uniform, so
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  Speaker 1: she clearly belonged in some way, shape or form. Another
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  Speaker 1: student recalled witnessing two pairs of feet in the stall
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  Speaker 1: where Taiyer was later discovered. Oh boy, one being Taiyer's
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  Speaker 1: distinctive Puma shoes and another pair of youth sized All
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  Speaker 1: Star shoes. So there was, according to this individual, two
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  Speaker 1: people in the stall, yes, one of which most likely
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  Speaker 1: was Tier via the distinctive shoes. Now, oblivious to the
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  Speaker 1: significance of the time, the witness simply left, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's two people in there. Whatever, It's not like they're
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  Speaker 1: immediately thinking, oh, someone's getting murdered right now. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but they left, apparently attributing to the unusual bad smell
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  Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Now, whether that's someone just stank it
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  Speaker 1: up in there, or whether it was from the smell
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  Speaker 1: of potential blood, because hey, that is not a pleasant smell.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone who has blood like that before knows what that
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  Speaker 1: smells like. It's not pretty. It's usually a very like
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  Speaker 1: tinny iron smell. So yeah, well, plus.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like having two people in the stall next
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  Speaker 2: to you is like a bit awkward that I would
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  Speaker 2: probably be rushing to get out of there too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe if it's not like weird noises or anything. That
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  Speaker 2: you're hearing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what are they doing in there? I
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  Speaker 1: don't want a part of this. Yeah, unless maybe, hey,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's a puff puff pass situation. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: pass it over here. But that's hit, that's different. You
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  Speaker 1: don't know what kids are doing in high school. So regardless,
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  Speaker 1: Tiger's friend Lee approached the lock stall and received a
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  Speaker 1: response saying someone was in there, confirming the occupancy as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, However, when questioned by police, police the focus shifted
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  Speaker 1: to discerning whether the voice belonged to a man or
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  Speaker 1: a woman, which I mean could could be very important information,
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  Speaker 1: rightly now, Lee consistently maintained that it was a female
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  Speaker 1: voice that it talked, but felt a very lingering dissatisfaction
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  Speaker 1: in that answer from authorities, Like they were like, are
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  Speaker 1: you sure, I'm sure it was a man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they were just assuming that it was gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they weren't really happy with the idea that
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  Speaker 1: it was a female voice. Okay. Now, for the Rata family,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a glimmer of hope emerged in the form of a
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  Speaker 1: private investigator named Jim Sadovski. Now, Haim learned about the
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  Speaker 1: murder of Tayer through the radio and was personally angered
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  Speaker 1: as his own daughter was the same age as Tayer
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  Speaker 1: and could pretty much put himself in the same shoes, like,
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  Speaker 1: what if that was my daughter? Right, So he reached
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: out to the grieving Rata family and offered his services
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to aid, unveiling the mystery.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Sort of Oh okay, that's amazing.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So Shmiel and Lana shared everything the knew with him.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Among the details was an incident that struck a chord
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: with Lana. So during a visit from Tiger's friends to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: offer condolences, two girls exhibit peculiar behavior. They were whispering
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: in hush tones, as if they had kind of like
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: a secret, or they weren't sharing everything that they knew.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I don't love that. So upon talking to
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and scrutinizing the statements given by the two girls with
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: police him, iim uncovered inconsistencies. So Lana's intuition had not
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: led her astray. The friends had seen Tyer's backpack in class,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: but failed to register her absence as unusual, also in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: contradiction with the portrayal of Tayer as her usual self.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: On that fateful Wednesday, the theater class teacher remembered a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: very withdrawn and melancholic Taier, which was abnormal. As we
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: talked about beginning her art love for arts and theater,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: this was her favorite class. Okay, so the teacher actually
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: questioned her that day if she was okay, but Tayer
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: made rather unsettling remark, saying, quote, because I'm afraid of death. Oh.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: So teacher's like, what's wrong, Okay, something wrong, and she's like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: because I'm afraid of death.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. That's an alarming response.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, especially right before getting fucking murdered. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So well, I mean, it's not like the teacher would
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: think that. She probably would think that she's a family
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: member that's ill or something.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or maybe who knows. Maybe it's like, oh,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they watched a horror movie last night, and it's like, yeah,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: there could be many reasons. It's not like I'm sitting
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: here saying that she's imminently thinking she's going to die.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But still, that's that's ominous.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are afraid of death.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. Death is scary.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: It is scary.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't like death can go away?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: No?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Another layer of the puzzle actually emerged as Tayer's
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: schoolmates devulged some more information. Tayer supposedly had a stalker
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: named Avi, who is an eighteen year old from Tiberius.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: He apparently incessantly called and sent her numerous text messages.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: He even went as far as threatening her a month
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: before her murder. Allegedly, Avi declared that if Tayer refused
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to be with or be his girlfriend, he would kill her.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Oh now, when he announced to visit the area, Tyer
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: said that she wasn't going to see him, and it
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: made things worse. Huh. However, police investigation yielded no evidence
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: of any contact between Tayer and it purported Avi. No calls,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: no texts, nothing, There's no evidence that this guy even exists.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, so basically there wasn't.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: A stalker then, but potentially so that they could find Yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: so this like really put this this story under scrutiny,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: which actually also brings up speculation. Were they fabricating this
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: story to divert attention from themselves to hide the truth
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: or is this an actual rumor? Like what's going on?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: So?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: As private investigator Jim delved into the evidence surrounding Tier's murder,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a chilling fear began to take shape. The sheer brutality
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: inflicted upon the batigm four foot nine tai year led
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: him to believe that the assailants were likely individuals of
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: similar age and stature, most likely two individuals, rather than
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: an adult using excessive force on such a young girl.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: So that's what he believed, is it must be individuals
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of the same age.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's his theory, like that she had two attackers.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You mean yes, okay, He's saying, like, okay, this excessive
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: force is probably not needed. All these slashes and everything,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and like the cuts. It's like, why would a grown
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: adult do this in such a small vicinity. It's not
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: like you're not gonna be able to hold her down
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: with one hand. Where's she going She's in a locked
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: bathroom stall with you. Yeah, Whereas if it's two, there
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: might be more of a two of her stature and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: age might be more afraid of her escaping or fighting back,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: so there would be the random slashes, the random stabs
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: or cuts or whatever of a friend's exactly, whereas an adult,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: someone who towers over her would have much more control
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and be much more precise. So that was kind of
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the theory that he was leading to. Now, amidst the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: pool of suspects, eyes turned to an arch rival of Tiers,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: who was apparently equally beautiful and talented, which is why
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: there was kind of this animosity between the two of them,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and it reached a point where Tayer had actually confronted
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: her mother about feeling afraid at the start of the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: school year regarding this individual. The rival's behavior post murder
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: added another layer of suspicion. She apparently left town for
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a few days, but conveniently omitted this information when questioned
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: by police, specifically when they asked if she had knew
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: if anyone had left town, and she's like, no, even
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: though she did leave town herself. Okay, yeah. Now, despite
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the initial focus on Taier's schoolmates, the investigation took another turn.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: The schools psychologist claimed to have seen the gardener in
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the teacher's lounge on the afternoon of the murder, and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the gardener was appearing a little disturbed and bewildered, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: he presented an airtight alibi. So while the psychologist's testimony
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: carried some weight to the authorities, the police were unwilling
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to dismiss it. Entirely, and they explored an alternate possibility.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: There was another man who bore a striking resemblance to
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: this gardener, and it surfaced as a potential suspect. The
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: police considered the likelihood that the psychologists might have inadvertently
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: confused the two men, thinking that this was the man
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that they saw, but really was this man since this
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: one has the first one has an alibi? Right, So,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: on December eleventh, less than a week after Tire's tragic murder,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Roman Zadorov, a construction worker employed at the school, found
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: himself under the microscope of law. He was a Ukrainian
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: migrant who had moved to Israel two years prior. Roman
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: had living with odd jobs in construction. His life took
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a turn when he met Olga, his high school sweetheart
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Following Olga's family in Israel, the couple settled
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: down in Katseran and their son was born just a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: month before Taiyere's death.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, that doesn't seem like that would be someone who
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: would do something like this, but hey, hey, weirder things
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: have happened.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you're throwing that down right now. You don't
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: think it's him, Well, I.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Don't know a lot, but it's just like, I don't know.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He he's probably happy, like they just had it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say they just had a baby, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: maybe life is actually a bit rough at that stage
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and you never.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Know what's going on behind closed doors too, right, No,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you don't. So Anyways, at the time, Roman worked as
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a handyman for a contractor involved in the refurbishment of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the school. So that's why he was there. Okay. Now,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: being an immigrant, he couldn't yet legally work, but he
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: didn't need an income, so he did receive cash payments
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: for his services and tried to stay out of trouble.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Does that add any more layer to you believing if
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: he did it or not.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: For some reason, I'm still thinking no.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So, as his wife discovered the limitations of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: his visa, she urged him to pursue an Israeli citizenship,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a process which he was in the middle of when
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: his world would unravel in the arrest. There was an
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: unfortunate drawback in the current situation that want to make
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a point of here as well. Roman was proficient in
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Russian and was struggling with his Hebrew, and faced a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: language barrier in his interaction with authorities, which made conversations
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and understanding a little bit difficult. And I'm sure on
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: both ends as well, totally yep. So suspicion on Roman
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: only intensified when police sought to seize the clothes he
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: wore the day of Tiger's murder, only to be told
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that Roman had thrown them out, thrown them out, he
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: got rid of them, he threw them out.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, gosh, I guess it depends what he was
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: doing that day. What if he was painting, and like, god, well,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I keep thinking these things and then I'm like, Okay,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you probably wouldn't throw them out because you're just gonna
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: get them dirty like the next day. But who knows
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: if they're ripped or you know, they needed to be
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: thrown out.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It could also be a red flag. Could also be
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: covered in blood very much.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: So. Yeah. Well.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: During the extended interrogation, Roman denied any involvement into the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: entire year's killing, expressing confusion over his arrest and while
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: he was even there. Simultaneously, investigators combed through his home,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: discovering pornography on his computer. Initially believed to feature underage individuals,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: but closer examination revealed that all the women were of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: appropriate age, just young ish, so they were appropriate age.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: There was nothing illegal going on there. Roman also, though,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: had an extensive knife collection and was prominently displayed in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: his house, which is another point of interest for police
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: given the nature of tires.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I feel like a lot of men
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: enjoy knives.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I've got a knife on my hip
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: right now. It's just my daily carry that I like
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: generally just open letters with and stuff. If I need
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a knife, I got one, yeap. So the overlap between
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: romans knives and the weapons used in the murder, coupled
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: with the possible witness statements from the school's psychologists who
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: confused him with maybe the gardener, all of this together
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: prolonged in so I resulted in a prolonged custody. Now
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the plot thickened as police, who were desperate for a breakthrough,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: resorted to some shady tactics that blurred the lines of
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a truth. This one I absolutely hate. It's bullshit in
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: my opinion opinion, but whatever, we'll go over this. So
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they leaked unconfirmed information to the media purposefully. They falsely
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: claimed that Romans DNA matched samples that were found at
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the crime scene, a detail that was not yet validated
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: by pending results from testing that was going on over
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: in America. So there were three hair samples that were
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: found on Tier's body, Okay, and they're claiming that before
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the results even back, your DNA has been found at
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the crime scene, and they leaked it to the public.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Oh that is so bad because if it isn't him, Like,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: how do you go back to having a normal life
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: after something like that?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Right, So, in this calculated, apparently calculated move, I don't
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: know who calculated it. They got their math wrong, I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: can tell you that. But anyways, in this move, interrogator
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: seized this opportunity on the fabricated revelation, if you will,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and employed this as a tool to course a confession
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: from Roman. Oh yeah, they persistently. He was denying any involvement,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and Roman found himself in a relentless battle of wills
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: against the interrogators. The psychological pressure escalated as they insisted
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: on the alleged DNA match. They're like, we have your DNA.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like you were there, We have your DNA
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: at the crime scene. The science has given us irrefutable proof.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And still like even when they're chatting with him, they
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: still have no idea.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Correct, Oh my god, yeah, okay, they found hairs. They
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: haven't even gotten results back yet. They've just sent the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: samples off and they're like, we have proof.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Oh that is so bad.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Roman maintained his innocence. He's like, I'm being framed.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I must be. That's the only way you could have
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: my DNA and the crime scene. Then, and the interrogators
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: dismissed this whole idea, basically reminding him that this is Israel,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: not the KGB controlled territory that he's used to or
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: thinking of, and such tactics are apparently beneath them, which
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: clearly maybe not so much, yeah, because there is clearly
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: manipulation of evidence going on right here.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I mean you can kind of understand sometimes they do
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: some stuff like that when it's just in the interrogation process,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: which I'm not saying is right, but then to actually
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: like put it to the public where like, yeah, his
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: wife or whatever is going to see this in his
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: family and stuff like.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Gosh, you're right. It's one thing to say it in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a contained room to the individual to see if they'll react. Yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that's one thing. Yeah, but you're right to leak this
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to the public on purpose before you even have any
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: sort of confirmation.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: What is the point of that even, really.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know now. Roman then recalled in this interrogation.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He did say, well, I do kind of recall maybe
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: stepping in some blood in the boy's toilet like bathroom
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: at the school, but he was like oblivious of any
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: sort of implication. He's like, Oh, it's like just something
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: on the ground, like once in a while, there's dots
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: of blood or any urine or feces. Who knows the bathroom, right, Yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I kind of have a nose blade or something exactly.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So he's like, I might have stepped in some blood
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: in the boy's bathroom, basically is what he's after. Since
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't confess, though, he was sent to a holding
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: cell where he was basically just you know, they're sent
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to think on it. They're like, you're going to confess,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like because we have you.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. You almost wonder if at that point
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: of technically they can hold him that.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Roman. However, when he was sent to the cell was
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: unwittingly sharing his space with an informant contracted by the police.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, they're pretty confident they are.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this informant was tasked with, of course, extracting
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a confession, and he was also enticed with financial reward,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: one that we were talking about just recently on another episode.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But anyways, Roman spent a total of eight days with
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: this informant locked in the cell, and the informant was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: faced with Roman's unwavering insistence that he was innocent. So
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the informant decided to alter his approach. He played on
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Roman's fears, suggesting that a life sentence awaited him if
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: blood out evidence was found. However, a confession might lead
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to a lesser sentence of just six to seven years
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: for manslaughter. Oh jeez. So he's basically saying, if you don't,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: if you're maintaining your innocence and they've got DNA to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: tie you there, yeah you're screwed. That's a life sentence.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: But but if you just you know, just admit it,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: just say it was you, just confess.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: It's much shorter.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It's much shorter, and much shorter of a sentence as well,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: or not just sentence, but a conviction becau it's no
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: longer murdered manslaughter. So under the informants relentless pressure, Roman
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: succumbed and the two actually crafted a confession together.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, seriously, yes.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So Roman portrayed himself as an angry immigrant grappling with
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a sense of alienation from Israel. According to the coarse narrative,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: on the day of Tier's murder, he succumbed to a
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: fit of rage, with Taier becoming an unattended victim of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: his outburst. He claimed to have blacked out, creating a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: narrative that hinted at a violet temper and a history
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of actions He couldn't remember, a history that included a
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: violent incident involving his brother in the past, and Roman
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: even went on the record saying to authorities, quote, maybe
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I did kill her. It is possible. Huh, Okay, all
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: under this coercion.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like the killer would have known her,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: is the sense that I'm getting. But okay, carry on.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you're still maintaining that you think Roman's innocent.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: That question alone can put doubt in your mind, can't it?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Kind of but it's like.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Don't, don't. I'm just trying to see where your head's at.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Don't let me influence it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: He's maintained his innocence for so long and then this
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: person's just like getting to him. I'm saying that he's
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: still innocent.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah. Well. Roman began to question his own
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: innocence as he internalized the relentless claims made by the interrogators.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: They're just being like, you did it, ye did it,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you did it. We have DNA, we have DNA, even
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: though they don't they have no evidence.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Honestly, at that point, I feel like almost anyone would.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Probably, I mean, the persistent barrage of accusations combined with
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the false assrotations of the DNA, it would lead anyone's doubt,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and it certainly led him to doubt his own recollections.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But it all just baffled Roman. He could actually remember
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that day. He remembered finishing work late in the afternoon,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: well after Taiyere was last seen, even and he remembers
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: no blood on him. His decision to actually discard his clothes,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: his pants specifically, was driven from the fact that they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: were too short and they were uncomfortable. Oh okay, he's like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I hate these pants. I'm I'm just throwing them out
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and getting rid of them.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And it was just a real shitty day to do that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly. There was no presence of blood on him as
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: far as he remembers.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Huh. And you think at some point or someone would
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: notice or something, because like you would have blood on you, yeah,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately the police just had their I mean, they
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: had their teeth sunk into them at this point. They
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: were eager to basically try and strengthen their case.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because to them it just made sense kind of thing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So what they did next they convinced him to reenact
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the events on December sixth, So they already had him confessing, right,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So they they walked him through the school. They are like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: reenact this, reenact when you killed Tyer. So they actually
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: filmed this excursion through Golan Heights High School and showcased
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: his narrative of the murder, providing what seemed like, of course,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: a slam dunk for the prosecution, right, like, we got
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a confession, We've got him on video walking through the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: school showing us how he murdered her. Oh my gosh yay.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: So at a press conference, the police proudly announced Roman's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: confession and the reenactment branding him as the killer. Through
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and through. The motive that they proposed was a trivial altercation.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Tayer allegedly insulted Roman atter he refused to share a cigarette,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: prompting him to follow her into the bathroom and commit murder.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, Okay, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Not at all? Taier's family is on your side. They
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: were not convinced. They yearned for concrete forensic evidence, the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like where's the proof, where's the evidence? Yeah, apparently there's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: this DNA evidence that you leak to the public and
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: said out there, like what is let's see this. Their
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: gut feeling rejected that Roman was any sort of true perpetrator,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that he had any part in this. Friends and family
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: also emphasized that Taiyir ever smoked, making the suggested motive
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like pretty much impossible. Yeah. I mean, of course, individuals
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: can have habits and whatever behind people's backs. I get that,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But it was friends and family, so I'm assuming school
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: friends and family. Yeah, someone would probably know. Yeah. Now,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the idea that Tayr would also insult someone, especially an
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: older individual, contradicted her nature as well and who she was.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: She was a very soft, loving, caring individual that was
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: not of her nature. So that kinda is basically throwing
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that theory out the window.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like insulted him for really no reason. Yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't make.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Sense exactly, Can I have a smoke? No, and just
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: goes off the rails Like that doesn't sound like someone
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that we talked about at the beginning here.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, grant you, she was acting different
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that day.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: True. Actually, that's a very good point. That's very good. Now,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the family stood against this whole narrative, and they demanded
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a thorough examination of evidence that would reveal that they
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: were sure would reveal the truth. Now, Lana Rata, her mother,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: had suspicions of her daughter's killer, existing within Tier's close
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: knit circle of friends. Over time, she unraveled unsettling details
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that some students at the school were allegedly part of
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: a Satanic cult, raising fears that Taier might have fallen
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: dictum to a ritualistic killing. And I mean we hear
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that all the time, Satanic, Satanic. I think that's a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: fallback answer if I'm being.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Honest, possibly, but just the thought of that's fricking terrifying.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I agree, But I also do think that if anyone
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is going to and this is just my opinion, Okay,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: this is just my feeling, I feel like anyone who
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: is probably going to be doing a Satanic ritualistic killing,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it's most likely someone of adolescent age. Any case we've
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: covered in the past where it has been Satanic, it
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is of that adolescent age because you are more malleable,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're more likely to believe
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in something like that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to fit in, or finally kind of feeling
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: like you're finding your circle and you're going to do
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: whatever you need to.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly, or looking up to a certain idol for whatever reason,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: like the insane clown post that we've talked about in
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a couple different cases, individuals look up to their music,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and those artists their music talks about killings, so they
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: go through and like, oh, I'm just like these guys,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do a killing. Two it's usually some
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: very younger, impressionable, malleable individual. So I think if a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: satanic cult situation could be the case, a situation like
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this where it is a younger individual could be where
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the puzzle would fit. Yeah. So Roman's wife sought the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: legal expertise of the Dynamic duo defense Gail and David Spiegel.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: After a thorough examination in the case, the attorneys became
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: convinced that he was an innocent man and that he
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: was coerced into confessing to a murder that he did
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: not commit. The trial commenced on July second, two thousand
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and seven, with the prosecution altering its theory about the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: motives of the murder. I mean, they said, hey, it
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: was the smoke. She insulted him, right, and then they
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: heard the backlash, They're like, let's change that theory.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's not how shit works.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what they did now. They claimed that
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Roman's violent reactions stemmed from childhood sexual abuse in Ukraine.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It was triggered by the constant pestering from school kids.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So no longer it was pestering from Taiir in one instant,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it was just constant from all the kids. Also, he
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: could sexual trauma as a kid, So the prosecution face
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: a significant setback. Apart from that, sorry, when the light
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of the DNA results from the crime scene did not
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: actually match Romans. Okay, yeah, so it came to lights
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that they're caught in like a giant lie. Yeah, not
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: only a lie. They were like, oh, okay, we said
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that we didn't have the results yet. Oh also the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: DNA doesn't match them when the results did come in.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And we're also changing the reasoning that.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: We think correct this the motive. Yeah, that is messed up.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It is. The defense attorneys dissected the prosecution's claims they
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: picked him apart, basically emphasizing the small and closed space. Actually,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: this one's interesting to me. The small space of the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: crime scene being the bathroom stall. Right. Picture being in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a bathroom stall. This is where a violent murder would
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: take place. They didn't have any of Roman's fingerprints, they
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: didn't have any of his blood, his DNA, his hair's nothing.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Picture being in a gymnasium. Your hands are not going
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to touch the walls, especially if you're struggling against with someone.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah you've got someone half your size, but still. But now,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: picture being in an enclosed space. Your hands are probably
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: going to touch the walls very easy.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you would think there'd be something. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: then I also this is just a thought I had.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: But you think that you would kind of be able
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: to tell the size potentially, because like going through friends,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: you can kind of tell size, maybe the height or whatever,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the how tall the person is, where.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: The fingerprints are, Yeah, the size of the fingerprints.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So I feel right, I feel like they would be
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: able to know for a little bit more clear if
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it was him or not.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: You know, there was no trace of him in that
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: stall whatsoever.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So despite an exhaustive search of Romans home, including
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: dis mantling the washing machine in search of praises of blood,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: there was still no connection to him, or tire or
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the crime scene what soever. Nothing.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't feel like they even had the right
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to have.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Held him for some so the defense also presented a
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: solid alibi for Roman, pointing to the timeline that placed
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: him at the school gate speaking on his cell phone
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: at two twenty three pm, with two security guards as
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a witness seeing him there. Now pathologist estimate that the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: time of the death. Between the time of death for
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Tier was between one thirty PM and two PM, during
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: which Roman was away, returning to the school yard at
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: one thirty and later seen at the school cafeteria at
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: two pm without any signs of dirt or blood. Hmm, okay,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: so people did see him with no blood. The prosecution
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: dismissed the alibi and simply pointed to the confession as
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: key as the key to the case.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Of course they did, yep.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: The defense, of course, persisted highlighting the flaws in what
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: they deemed Roman's coerced confession. So they're like, hey, is
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: confession is the key, and then the defense is like, yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: coerced confession. The reenactment of the crime was a pivotal
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: moment in the case, where they walked him through the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: school recounting the events, and like, as I mentioned, also
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: videotaped it. So they're walking him through the halls. They've
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: got like a squad of authorities, They've got a camera
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: on him this whole time, and he's leading them through, right.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm imagining this is just not matching the scene whatsoever.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it revealed a troubling array of inaccuracies. You're right, yeah, yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: It also suggested manipulative tactics by investigators. So Roman was
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: guided by leading questions on the videotape. It's recorded, so
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: he provided details that ultimately contradicted known facts about the murder,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and when he did seem to actually give proper facts,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: it was because the investigators led him in that direction.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So say, for example, I'm just gonna choosing a random
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: fact about anything. So I'll just say, right now, I'm
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: drinking a beer. Okay, I am drinking a genuine draft beer. Okay,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: say it's actually I pa. I'm like, oh, it's genuine
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: draft beer. Now you're like, are you sure it's genuine
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: draft is? Don't you like stuff that's a little bit
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: more better? Well, yeah, I drink some more pale ales.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: But don't you like that one that starts with an I?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, India paleols. Sorry, do you like drinking India paleos? Yeah?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I like drinking a lot of India paleofs. Okay, So
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: there we go. Like that's the sort of tactics they're
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: doing and leading him into these answers.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and they are literally thinking that this
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: is going to be used as evidence that he did
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: this correct.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so wait, it gets even worse.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: This is wild, but okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Police asserted that he possessed, of course, information only the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: murderer would know, and this includes the precise location of
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: where he stood during the act. However, a careful review
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: of the interrogation tapes continuing on expose the stark reality
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: these tactics continued. Every piece of privileged information on that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: tape was fed to him by investigators. He knew none
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of it without the investigators leading them to those answers.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Not a piece was he able to provide without that, what.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: The actual shit? This doesn't make any sense because you
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: think they would just want to figure out who actually
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: did it, you'd think, And then I don't know. They
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: it's like they almost just they want to just like
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: pit it on someone act or solved and like move on.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know how I said that, The police
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: said he talked about how he stood over her body
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and everything, right, Yeah, Well, when he was asked about
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and this is on the tape, when he was asked
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: about the position he left Tier's body in Roman initially
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: inaccurately depicted her lying on the floor, whereas her body
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: was actually slumped over the closed toilet, completely different position.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And that would be something that you would not get
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: wrong if you did.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: It correct, which, of course, again guided by officers, he
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: eventually corrected this mistake and said the correct, correct answer, Wow. Yeah.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: He was also unable to accurately pinpoint where Tier was cut.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: He guessed the torso below the waist, failing to mention
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: a very significant cut that was on her wrist that
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: they were really hoping to hear from. He also claimed
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to have used a smooth blade, a smooth utility knife specifically,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: but the autopsy conclusively identified a serrated knife as the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: murder weapon. Oh my gosh, yep, now the biggest one
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: of all on this video. I saved this one for
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: last because it's like the cherry on top of this,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck on video? Roman led investigators
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to the wrong bathroom initially. Okay.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I was literally wondering that. I was like, he probably
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't even know no what stall, what bathroom?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Whatever? Well, hold on, get this. He led them to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the wrong bathroom initially, and only after guidance was he
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: able to identify the actual correct bathroom, and once inside
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the right bathroom, he was easily able to identify the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: correct stall because there was crime scene tape all around it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, okay, So.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: They then in the bathroom put him in the stall
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to demonstrate how he got out of the locked stall,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: because the door was left closed locked. Remember, so he
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: got in there locked, and he hopped over the door
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of the stall, Okay, which evidence suggests it was not
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: over the door, it was over the wall of the stall. Huh.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: And then and for sure you think, well, I mean,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: unless they were wearing gloves or whatever. I guess, but
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: you'd think there would be some sort of fingerprints or something.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but none of his fingerprints, Like if he climbed
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: over the stall, his fingerprints would be in there.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: They're not unless he was wearing gloves.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, but there's no evidence of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: him in there whatsoever. Also, climbing over the stall, there's
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a good chance of things like shoeprints, Yeah, especially in
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: blood in a clothes spot like that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I'm also just like shook that no one, no one
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: heard this going down.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: But okay, Well, I did mention the idea of a shoeprint,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and the prosecution did contend that a bloody footprint on
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Tier's jeans matched Roman's shoes. However, the absence of blood
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: on his actual shoes raised a lot of doubts.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if they found that said pair of shoes
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and there was no blood on there.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, correct, no blood. Okay, member, they even checked his
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: washing machine, yeah blood.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: So given the gruesome scene, it seems let's say, implausible
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that he could have been in the bathroom stall without
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: blood transfer on his shoes, fingerprints, whatever. The case, DNA
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and the reenactment, far from solidifying the case against him,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: raised more questions about the accuracy and reliability of the confession,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: pointing to a potential coercion and misinformation.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they really have nothing.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: They don't. But despite the lack of conclusive evidence linking
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: roman Zadarrov to the crime, he was eventually convicted of
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: tier Rada's murder. Oh my gosh. Really hey, yeah, with
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a court deeming his statements riddled with lies and manipulation. Additionally,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: he faced charges of conviction for obstruction of the police investigation.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, so there he's guilty. Prized.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Was there like a jury or what, because like you think.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it's court. There would have been a jury.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: You would think that they wouldn't. I don't know unless
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: there's I don't know this this I'm a little bit
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: just thrown for a loop here you baffled. I am
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: very baffled, fair enough.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I can understand why this one. When researching this, my
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: jaw was constantly on the floor and I'm like picking
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it up with my hands, like I swear. I'm just like,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: oh my god, what the actual f is happening.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a chance that he could have done it,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: but I'm just in the back of my head, I'm
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: just like, gosh, if he didn't, like, please tell me
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: that they did find who did eventually or something, because
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: if they don't know, I feel like I'm gonna just rage.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Well, well we'll carry on, That's what I'll say, okay.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Tiger's mother was initially she initially found solace, let's say,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: in the guilty verdict, lying on his confession the allege
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: footprint for evidence to kind of a firm that belief right. However,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: her perspective changed in the subsequent months. In that same
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: year as Roman's conviction, Lana filed a petition urging authorities
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to reopen the investigation into her daughter's death, but the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: plea was denied. In twenty ten, four years after his arrest,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Roman would receive a life sentence for his crime. The
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: three judge panel, led by Judge Yitzak Cohen, maintained that
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: there remained no doubt about romans Zetaroff's responsibility for Tier's death.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah, okay, so you think he's guilty. Do you
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: still think he's sorry innocent? Do you still think he's innocent?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: They found him guilty, Okay, sorry, in twenty ten, did
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: they reopen it or it was just like went to.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Some that was sentencing. So in twenty ten, yeah, in
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, four years after the the arrest, it was
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it was sentencing and he received a life sentence.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's hard, Like you don't you don't
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: want to doubt the justice system, you know. Yeah, but
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: then it doesn't really seem like there's any hardcore evidence
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: that would.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: There's not a single piece of evidence nothing. The only
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: thing they have is the confession.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Well and the shoe print though like print, yes, yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: was that literally the same kind of size and like
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: he had these shoes, Like that's a little that's something
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: that's a little bit off to me.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll touch on the shoe print a little later, okay, okay, okay,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: So following the sentencing, Uh, Lana publicly expressed the whole
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: distrust in the court, the prosecution, the police. She shifted
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: her beliefs, basically saying that Tayer might have fallen victim
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to this satanic ritual that she's believing. Yeah, determined to
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: un cover the truth, she voiced her commitment to finding
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: her daughter's real murderer.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, I do like this, Like she she hasn't got
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: feeling and she.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Does not give up. No's She's like Roman's not the guys.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: She knows something else is going on. Wow, that's where
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: she's she's at. And even I'm sure watching this court
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: case unfold, because I guarantee you she's sitting there in
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the courtroom. There's no evidence on this guy. I'm last
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: year talking about the potential's footprint and the potential confession.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: There's no DNA, there's no fingerprints, there's no eyewitness, there's nothing.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: So it's really hard to actually pin something when you
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: don't have those things.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Because the one eyewitness that they did have witness someone else, right,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: and this guy.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Just correct, they look similar, correct? Like what? So Roman's
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: legal team continue to fight for justice. In March of
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, the court agreed to hear an expert testimony
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: in his defense. Pathologist doctor Maya form it Resnick took
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to the stand and provided insight into the murder weapon
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and the trauma injuries in tiers two tiers head Sorry,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: doctor Foreren. Resnick contradicted Roman's confession. This is kind of
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: something we already touched on, but this is another professional
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: speaking upon it now, asserting that the marks on Tier's
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: face were unequivocally made by a serrated knife, not a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: smooth utility knife that Roman had claimed. Now, the defense
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: also brought a second expert with witness, and this is
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: where we're going to talk about that footprint. That witness
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: was Bill Bosniak, a footprint expert who flew in to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: study the alleged bloody footprint on Tier's genes at the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: forensics lab. Now, Bosniak's analysts, sorry, analysis yielded a surprising conclusion.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: What do you think he thought of this footprint, this
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: bloody footprint on Tier's genes that matched Roman's shoes.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's probably not gonna be the same size
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Even Well, what was initially considered a footprint turned out
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to be an imprint of her cell phone inside the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: gene pocket of her pants. What the shit? Yes, it
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't even a footprint, correct. Okay, that's what Bill Bosniak,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the X the footprint expert they flew in, testified. He's like,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: this isn't even a fucking footprint. This is an imprint
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: of the cell phone inside her genes.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, that doesn't make any sense.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: So potentially, potentially she leaned up against something with blood
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: or someone with blood on them leaned up against her
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and imprinted on that cell phone.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Well, I wasn't not expecting that. I was
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: thinking it was a footprint because they said it was
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: a footprint. I was just thinking it probably belonged to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: someone else.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: No, this professional, this expert says it's not a footprint.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Regardless of this, and contrary to the evidence pointing away
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: from Romans and this whole footprint, the court dismissed the
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: experts testimony and remained unconvinced. The judge relied on his
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: own eyes, basically said that he could tell from here
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that that mark of the genes is clearly a footprint.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Well why is there, Like, what's the point of having
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: experts and stuff?
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Exactly? The judge is looking across the courtroom at a photo. Nah, dude,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: that's a footprint, very wrong. Yeah, you went in the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: lab and analyzed it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Nah, there has I'm almost thinking there's like some sort
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: of politicalness to this now that people don't want to
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: go against you know, what has already been sentenced and stuff.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Public support for Roman, of course, was phenomenal, and
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it gained momentum with the establishment of a Facebook group
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: in twenty eleven dedicated to seeking Justice for taier Rada.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: The group served as a platform for social protest against
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the conviction of the wrong men and aimed to uncover
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: the identity of the actual killer. So even the public
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: is like, this is not, like, what's going on, This
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: isn't the deuth.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Well, this man he's missing all of his like his
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: child growing up.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his kid was born a month before this. Oh
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: my gosh, that makes me sick. Yeah. The case was
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: also brought to TV in a four part documentary series
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: titled Shadow of Truth, which was released in twenty sixteen.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: The series unveiled a startlingk confession of an anonymous man
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: identified only as a.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: H seriously a confession from someone else who did it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: A confession According to Ah, his high school ex girlfriend,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: identified as Ak, had confessed to him that she was
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the one who killed Taiyir. Both Ah and Ak had
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: graduated from the same school as Taiir by the time
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: of the murder, So they're already graduated from this school, okay,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: but they attended it okay. On the day of the killing,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Ak allegedly showed a h her blood stained clothes, a wig,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and a murder weapon. A murder weapon that was a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: serrated hunting knife. Now, the story took a bizarre turn
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: as details about Ak emerged. She repurportedly harbored an obsession
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: with blood and believed she was possessed by a she
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: wolf that urged her to kill and disembowel people. Ak's
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: pasted included witnessing gruesome violence as a child when her
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: grandfather allegedly took her to battlefields, and allegedly her grandfather
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: also hid her inside the carcass of a wolf or
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: she speculated, potentially not even a wolf, but possibly a disemboweled,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: deceased human. Oh my, yeah, okay. Now, as she grew older,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Ak found solace in visualizing herself floating in a sea
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: of blood.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Mm I'm just sitting here just like pissed that, like
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: someone did this and just got has been like living
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: their life. Well, this man is locked away. I'm like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I'm quite angry, right.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm quite angry right now.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I am I am.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: You Are you gonna like you're tearing up?
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not tearing up. I just feel like pissed
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that It's just so annoying to me that people can
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: get away with shit like this. But anyway, I'm going
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: to continue listening.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, to listen, well, continue to listen. We got
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: this now. Ak described the chilling details of the murder
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: to a h She claimed to have worn a Golan
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Heights High School shirt to blend in one that she
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: would have pretending the uniform. They were wearing a uniform
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and she graduated from there, so she would have had
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: said uniform.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: So she was waiting for hours in the girl's restroom
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: with the intention of killing the first girl who entered alone.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It was this like wrong place at
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: the wrong time.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: So when she spotted Taiyer alone, AKA allegedly forced her
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: into a toilet stall at knife point and committed the murder.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: And strategically with toilet paper contained the blood. The confession
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: closely matched details provided by Lee, who the police earlier
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: in the investigation the two young individuals. The two friends
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: saw two people in the stall. Remember when they said
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: they heard a female voice respond that someone in there?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: After the crime, Ak purportedly waited next to Tier's body
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: until the surroundings were quiet, climbed over the stall wall,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: changed out of her bloody clothes, and calmly walked out.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: She then returned home, took a shower, cleaned up, and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: called a h gosh.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, And why is Ah not have confessed this much earlier?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: You know, like that is just that just makes me
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: just pissed because they would have known what the fuck
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: was going on. Yeh, that someone was literally in jail, yep,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: and just like withheld this fucking information.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: All I've got to say is, Yep, you're right. Everything
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: you said is right. Geez.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: And also, like what a disturbing person to just do
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that and then just like walk out.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh you good? Yeah, okay. Well, Roman's defense team,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: of course, urged Ak's ex boyfriend Ah to undergo a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: lie detector test on three separate occasions each I do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: want to start by saying this. We do know that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: lie detector tests are not crete evidence. However, each test
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: reportedly showed no signs of deception. Do they know who
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: this person is?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Like? Were they like talking to them?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: You should watch the documentary series I think I want to. Yeah,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you should. Now, in light of this, the police arrested
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: ak now, a blonde. She was blonde with fine features,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: who adamantly denied any involvement in Taier's brutal murder. Aka
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: claimed her ex boyfriend Ah did not handle their breakup
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: very well and accused him of attempting to frame her.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: She turned the narrative around, asserting that Ah was the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: one fascinated about blood and engaging in violent acts, further
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: accusing him of domestic violence and sexual abuse. So now
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: where do we stand?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: No kidding? Well, also because I'm just thinking there's probably
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: been more victims that's just popped in my head, which
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I hate.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: That thought there could be.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Because if they were just like one of them was
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: just doing this for fun, like yeah, probably not going
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: to be one and done.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Now. Get this though, While under house arrest, Aka attempted
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: to assault her new boyfriend. While intoxicated, she showed up
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: at his dorm demanded sex, and when he refused, she
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: held a shard of glass to his throat. Wow. Yeah,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: this there was prompt intervention, thankfully by others in the dorm,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: because I mean, it's a small area of noise travels.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: People found out very quickly and they were able to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: prevent any sort of harm from happening to the new boyfriend,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure was very quickly an ex boyfriend. But
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: when police arrived, Ak resisted arrest, but later get this,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: admitted to the allegations against her. She admitted to the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: allegations of her being the one to murder Tai yeer Oh.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: She admitted to that. I was just thinking it was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: like with this boyfriend thing, she admitted.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: She admitted, whoa yep.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Although she was found unfit to stand trial for the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: assaulting of her boyfriend, she was sent to a psychiatric
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: hospital without formal charges in that regard. Okay. Meanwhile, Ah,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend, faced arrest for obstruction of justice and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: sexual assault charges against Ak because she claimed this abuse
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and everything.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: And he was also withhelding information.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, so during his custody now get this one.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: The police pressured him to retract his testimony about Tai
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Year's murder, offering to drop the charges against him if
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: he complied.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: What the fuck.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Because they want roman They why they've got him behind bars.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I can't understand why they like dislike this person so.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Much, as you mentioned already. I don't think has anything
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: about dislike against him. I think it's just a matter
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: of not wanting to backtrack, not wanting to go back
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: or accepting they did wrong or anything like that. They're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: just like, we got this guy, he's already been convicted,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: retract this statement, like make this go away.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Gosh, that's just terrible at your job though.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: They're trying to sweep it under the rug. It is
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: very terrible at their job, like the worst. Yeah, your
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: law enforcement, your authorities, your investigators. Your job is to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: find the truth.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not justice for this little girl.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're supposed to follow the evidence, and you have
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: evidence at hand. You now have two confessions, two and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you wanted.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: To sweep it under the rug and carry on because.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: One confessed and that's when you're going to just go
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: with without investigating the other or what you just want
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: to get dropped anyways. Ah adamantly refused to drop the claims,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: and after eleven days in custody, he was released without
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: yes without redacting his statement. Now, in a passionate response
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: when they were telling him to drop his statements, ah
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: said this quote, I'm going to kill myself and write
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: in my blood that Ak killed taier Rada. If it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: takes an explosion to let the public know that Ak
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: murdered taier Rada, I'm willing to be that explosion. Wow.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean he at this point, he just like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: needs it to get out there.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Now. Unfortunately, Shmuel Rada, Tier's father passed away
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: in January of twenty sixteen after battling cancer. The whole
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: profound grief and anger stemming from her death transformed him into, unfortunately,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: a broken man, and he succumbed to illness the day
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: after unveiling a synagogue named after Tier's memory in cats
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Are in m That's really sad. Remarkably, at the close
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, new forensic evidence surfaced on the case.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: One of those foreign hairs discovered on Tiger's body, specifically
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: like it was located on her stomach, was found to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: match the DNA of A H. Oh really the ex boyfriend?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: The ex boyfriend, Yes, the one who came forward with
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: the confession regarding his ex girlfriend being murder shit.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, see I'm getting these a's mixed up here. So
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: was the boyfriend the boyfriend?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Shit? So this poses a question. Could A H be
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: the actual perpetrator or had he been accurate with his
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: claims from the start? I mean, given that Ah at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the time lived with Ak his ex girlfriend, the presence
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: of his hair being on her clothes when she con
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: made the crime, it's possible. It's a plausible explanation.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, there was a retrial for Roman
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Zadaroff in the murder case of taijer Rada, and this
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: resulted in a complete acquittal of all charges, overturning previous
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: convictions that had led to over a decade of imprisonment.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, it's so good that he's out, but gosh,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: that that is devastating that he spent that long.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: In jail, No kidding, He missed the first at least
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: ten years of maty mean, more than of his son's life. Wow.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: The live broadcast of the verdict drew intense reactions, with
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: a two to one decision by the panel of three
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: judges at the Nazareth District Court.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: One of them still wanted him in jail.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Correct holy shit. Judges Asher Kula and Danny Safroti acquitted Roman,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: while the third judge tomorrow Nasim Shahai, found him guilty.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Goodness gracious.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Now in the context of Ah, whose real name is
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Adir Habani, well, I'm gonna continue saying Ah and Ak
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: because we're already committed on those and Ak, whose name
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: is Ola Cravenshiko. The Nazareth District Court ruled that the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: hairs found on Tiger's body would be re examined. A
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: hair with DNA possibly matching Ah, of course, raised questions,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: but the examination did not provide conclusive evidence. Also, the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: confession of Ak was ruled out. Why I'm assuming because
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: she went to psychiatric care. They're saying she wasn't a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: right mind.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, okay, And what about those two
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: other hairs? There was three hairs.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I'mdetermined don't know who they matched to. Despite this, the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: case remains unsolved to this day, leaving the identity of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: taier Rada's killer unknown, and the possibility that Tier took
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: this secret to the grave is a very real possibility.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: You're shit and me, Hey, I for sure thought that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: they would end up having this pinned.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Nope, that is the story of tayer Rada. We flew
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: through that information.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: That's a shit story, you think. So, yeah, I'm not
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: satisfied with that end. And it's also just devastating that
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: this like vibrant little girl just lost her life for yeah,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Like I mean not that anyone loses their life for
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: a reason, but there's like absolutely just no reason for this.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Now, I do want to talk about the idea on
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that hair. That hair that was not conclusive. Apparently there
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: was and I didn't research on the exact details, but
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: there is apparently some sort of a match to a
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: h or was it ak the boyfriend the ex boyfriend?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: There was a match, but it wasn't a strong enough
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: match to be presented as evidence in court. Apparently it
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: was some it was. It was a strong enough match
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: to apparently be worth defending yourself, but not to prosecute
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: an individual.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well yeah, because I guess like people share
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: similar DNA characteristics or whatever.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure. Like I said, I didn't go
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: into a deep dive on the hair DNA. What I
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: know is there was somewhat of a match, but it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't conclusive.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: It's like percentage or whatever. There's like a fifty probability
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: that this is a match, or like you hear that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: sort of thing sometimes.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's the case. I'm not sure. But what
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: we do know is that the hair was not conclusive
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: enough to be evidence to say this is a match.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: What pisces me off is that Roman had a footprint
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and a coerced confession. So we'll say he had a
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: piece of evidence tying him to it, an alleged piece
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: of evidence. We had an alleged piece of evidence tying
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: him to the scene, and he had an alleged confession,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: both alleged, both not real, and he served like fifteen years. Basically,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing the math, but it's around there. Now.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: We have, on the other hand, another alleged confession because
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: it was ruled out, it's still alleged, an alleged confession
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: and also alleged DNA. Yeah, so the same amount of evidence.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: One was convicted and served over a decade. Yeah, the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: other was just ruled out.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just do it doesn't matter. Gosh, and my
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: question a whatever the chick. Did she have curly hair?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I wonder.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know that one, but I do know if
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: she had blonde hair and fair features. That's what I recall.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I thought someone said they saw like this curly hair
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: person or something.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: But remember allegedly she had a wig. Oh yeah, that's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: what the boyfriend was saying, that she had a wig, right, Huh.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: That could have been what an individual saw. It was
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: a wig.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Wow, I just like wanted to kill someone.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that might they have a fascination of what's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: it feel like. There's so many cases out there where
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: it's like I just want to know what it feels like.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I have a fascination with death or blood viscer Wow.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: But my thought is just like, I mean, that would
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: only just like fuel the fire. You'd think it would, right, Like,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I don't really know if you would do that and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: then just like never kill again if it was something
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: that you were super you know, keen on.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. We see that time and time
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  Speaker 1: again in different cases that it only escalates further. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right about it. In the case of many murderers, psychopaths,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: whoever that start off with this fascination they go. They
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  Speaker 1: start with animals, they torture and kill animals, and then
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  Speaker 1: guess what, it escalates. They want to do it again
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  Speaker 1: and again and again, and then bigger and more people.
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  Speaker 1: And then it turns in to see if I can
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  Speaker 1: get away with it, how long I can get away
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  Speaker 1: with it? What can I do? And then it's tactics
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  Speaker 1: on fucking with authorities, and it's this power trip too.
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  Speaker 1: It never stops. It's a thirst, a fascination that just
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  Speaker 1: hunger that needs more. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And so them just like not really, I mean maybe
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  Speaker 2: they think they did the best they could, but like,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, I don't really think they did. This
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  Speaker 2: is like a disservice to humanity because other shit has
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  Speaker 2: probably they have. Whoever did this is I I would
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  Speaker 2: be like willing to bank a lot that they've done
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: harm to others.
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  Speaker 1: Probably for sure. Yep. I don't doubt you on that whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred perc.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, which is just so disgusting to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Ith. Yeah, wow, so that was quite a case. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea how long this episode was. I
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  Speaker 1: think we're over an hour.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, good job on that one. I would have
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  Speaker 2: ran for the hills from that one because like of
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: the name pronunciation.
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  Speaker 1: So actually, they weren't too bad. I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: got them all exactly right, but they weren't too bad.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Actually, well, yeah, you sound you did good, real good.
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Well, thank you guys for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so until next week.
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