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Vanishing Act: Weapons (2025) – Xenomania 39a · Xenomania

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Jon: I liked it a lot.
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It's a movie that I'm gonna be thinking about a lot too.
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Kearns: the people need to know is that we're talking about weapons, and this is
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a special episode that's coming out, so we have a double this week for you guys.
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Ryan: Well, you are excited you're watching it,
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Jon: Yep.
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Ryan: But I feel like it's, because you think about it, it's
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very, it's like hereditary was more of a drama than a whore.
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Like I feel like weapons is more of a drama with horror elements thrown into it
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Kearns: I am
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: the only connection you made to hereditary,
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Ryan: that I'm not
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Kearns: to be honest with you.
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I was like, where is he going with this?
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Ryan: it with it.
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There's no.
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Kearns: This one though, we will, we will load up in the beginning.
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this will be spoiler heavy, as in we're going to spoil the shit outta this movie.
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So if you have not seen weapons yet, please keep listening.
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We really need the views and, um, ruin it for yourself.
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Ryan: Have fun.
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Jon: Pause us.
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Go watch weapons, come back.
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Kearns: up buying it because I was just, I couldn't wait for it any longer.
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And, but I think it's, um, isn't it?
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it's not free on any streaming platform at
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Jon: No, no,
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Kearns: Okay.
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Jon: no.
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I'm gonna end up buying it physically also.
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Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: it's, it's good.
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Kearns: It was worth the purchase.
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I'm happy I have it forever.
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Jon: And I, I will say this, one of the things, one of the ideas I had
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coming in was that there was a strong barbarian connection and it's, it's
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a common actor, but it's not like a super strong, you don't have to
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watch barbarian to enjoy weapons.
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Ryan: more in camera style as well as him,
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: going deeper into the idea of having more characters in his film.
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'cause in Barbarian, he like focuses on the two characters.
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We do a few flashbacks, actually three characters.
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And then in this one he's
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Jon: Yeah,
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Ryan: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, I believe you got Justine, you got, um,
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Josh Brolin, you got the Archer.
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I know, I,
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Kearns: It's like the,
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Ryan: I can't forget that name.
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That's
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Kearns: you have Paul
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Jon: Paul
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Ryan: James.
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There we go.
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I
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Jon: James,
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Kearns: They don't do a Gladys,
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Jon: you get,
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Ryan: No, they don't.
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Jon: you get Alex, but I mean, she doesn't get a chapter, but
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she's a pretty significant person.
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Kearns: some decent star power Before we segue into it, I mean, Benedict
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Wong is, is in this, and I don't think he gets mentioned enough.
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I love him.
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Ryan: phenomenal.
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Kearns: I, Amy Madigan is also in this, obviously Josh Brolin
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is like, why I bought the movie.
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just gonna say it.
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But these are like, these are decent actors and Julia Garner's,
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she hasn't let me down yet either.
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I, I like her a lot as well for what is seemingly a newcomer ish.
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Ryan: did a good job and she played the
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: and just being frantic and afraid for a reason, but having
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a goal not forgetting that goal.
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During these times of horror, I can say, I mean, she, she went
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Kearns: Yeah, it's horrific times.
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Ryan: she went through
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Kearns: It's horrific times.
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Ryan: her car vandalized.
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I, I wanna get into it.
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We'll get
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Kearns: He's a witch.
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Oh no.
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Ryan: we lost a,
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Kearns: Did he leave on purpose?
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Ryan: I hope not.
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John, come back.
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Kearns: There he is.
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You know John, my dad did that once.
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Ryan: John came back though.
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Kearns: Oh, well done.
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right, so we had some technical difficulty.
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Jon: very, a very guilty looking cat behind the tv.
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Kearns: I was gonna say, hmm.
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Probably one of the cats.
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All right.
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We're back in business.
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Everybody.
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So we, I dunno where we were, but we were there.
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All right.
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Ryan: yeah, no, uh,
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Jon: were there.
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Ryan: the character Justine goes through some horrific things, but like I was
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saying, we're going to get to that.
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But I know you got a game for us.
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I'm ready.
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I,
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Kearns: Do you want to play a game?
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Jon: I have a game for you.
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Do you wanna play a game?
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Kearns: think, uh, coming up we're gonna be doing saw.
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Ryan: yeah, we are.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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And that episode's coming out soon.
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Everybody.
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Jon: I
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Ryan: No John Puppet though.
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I wish.
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Jon: I have a blind rank for you guys.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: Is it a five
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Kearns: Oh, we sharing the screen, everybody?
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Ryan: Oh
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Jon: Yep.
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You
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Kearns: I see it.
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All right, buddy.
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Ryan: revenge
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Kearns: I'm trying to look to see if you have any risque tabs.
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Opener.
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Jon: It is not.
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It is not.
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I made sure all the Risa tabs were closed.
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Thank you very much.
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You'll not see my dirty, dirty underside
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Kearns: Yucky.
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Jon: unless you ask nicely.
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All right, so it's a blind rank.
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It is not
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Ryan: I tried.
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Jon: movies.
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Movie number one is Sweet
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Ryan: This is a good slasher too.
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Jon: That's a very good slasher with a very
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Ryan: Yeah, I'm gonna put that number two.
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Kearns: Damnit.
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I was gonna do the same thing just for Brooke Shields.
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You know what though?
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Because I, I don't wanna be just like Ryan, I'm putting it at number three.
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Ryan: Oh.
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Kearns: It's so there.
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So there,
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Ryan: a tra
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Kearns: there better be two movies that are better than this on this rank.
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God dammit.
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Ryan: travesty.
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Jon: You're going
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Kearns: I'm going three.
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Jon: is that
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Kearns: Brooke Shields is hot.
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Ryan: This is young Brooke
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Kearns: I'll say it.
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I'll say it in public.
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I'll say it on the podcast.
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She's talented and she's hot.
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Ryan: Drama got fired from that soap opera.
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Kearns: That was such a good episode of Freaking Entourage.
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Oh my God.
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I was like, I would do it too.
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Drama.
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Ryan: it was, it wasn't a soap opera.
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It was a, uh, made for TV movie
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: and I playing your, uh, husband.
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No, you're playing my brother.
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Oh,
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Jon: yep.
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Alright, ready?
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Ready for the next movie?
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Kearns: Yes.
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Jon: Movie number two.
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Ryan: Killer children.
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Kearns: I love this movie.
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Jon: of the
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Kearns: Killer Children.
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No.
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Jon: I'm not giving you credit for children for, you
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have to give me the exact.
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Exact theme, not
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Ryan: the
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Kearns: Zest Killers.
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Damned Killers.
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Number two for me, by the way.
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I,
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Ryan: uh
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Jon: Number two.
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Ryan: hmm.
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This is the, is this, this is the remake, right?
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Jon: Yes.
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This is the John Carpenter
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Ryan: I am gonna put that,
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Kearns: this is the one I saw.
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Ryan: put that three.
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I saw the original one as a young lad.
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on IFC one Morning
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Kearns: Possessed.
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Hypnotized killers.
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Hypnotized killers.
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Jon: It
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Kearns: God.
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Jon: it is children, but it's a specific, I
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Ryan: Children of the Corn.
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Jon: thought.
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Ryan: No, I'm, oh
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Kearns: Uh, that's number one.
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That's number one.
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Ryan: number one with that too.
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that
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Kearns: Um,
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Jon: You,
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Kearns: cult driven children.
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Jon: live.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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I might,
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Jon: Uh, no.
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You may both live to regret that
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Kearns: I doubt it.
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Jon: here comes movie number four.
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Ryan: Oh, that's a good film too.
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Kearns: Better watch out.
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Good.
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I'm not cry.
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Ryan: a good film.
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Kearns: I'm putting that at five because I got a feeling you got a freaking hum
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dinger sitting there in the last slot, and I don't mind that being at five,
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given what we've got out there so far.
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Ryan: that at four.
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hmm.
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Kearns: That leaves five.
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That leaves your last slot hanging.
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That's a dangerous move.
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Or dangerous man.
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Jon: Neither of you are, I think neither of you will be happy
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where this last movie wound up
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Ryan: Stephen King.
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Kearns: Oh
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Ryan: Oh,
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Kearns: well.
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Better than five.
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That's gotta count for something.
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Ryan: is worse than the
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Kearns: Dam me on.
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So devil possessed children.
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Jon: both.
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Kearns: come on.
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Demonic.
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Demonic possessed children.
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Ryan: possess children with a grudge.
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Jon: No, it's just creepy kids, guys.
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You
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Kearns: You suck.
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Jon: It's
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Kearns: creepy kids.
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That was a good one.
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Ryan: good.
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Ah, man, I, I, yeah, you know what?
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I would put the omen at one and move everything down.
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Kearns: Yeah, that'd probably be what I would do.
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Jon: I'm starting to learn how to order them so that we can
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Kearns: Yeah, I mean it was pretty easy in the beginning 'cause I thought you were
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doing something like that and I was like, no, he is just throwing 'em out there.
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All right.
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All right.
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Damn it John.
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So Weapons is a movie that, revolves around the concept of a bunch of
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children having been not abducted, but they go missing and they run off on
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their own, which gives the movie a nice twist right up front, like, oh wow.
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Ryan: it funny how they run.
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There's just like a missile.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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The Naruto run.
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Jon: Yeah, they all run in the same way.
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Kearns: The Naruto run and we should put that up on the screen share.
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We know what that is.
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The guy did that during the, occupy area 51 thing.
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He naruto ran pads in the background.
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It was pretty funny.
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That was good times.
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But they, it immediately, ups the creep factor because this
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woman's entire class goes missing.
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This poor teacher's entire class goes missing, and she's Justine,
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and, um, there's one kid left.
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Ryan: at 2:17 AM in the morning.
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Kearns: Yep, that's a good point.
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2:17 AM They all got up out of their beds and left the house and
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disappeared, and so that's creepy.
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Now, one thing I don't like that movies do is when they lean on the
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whole kid angle to like, just be lazy, because everybody's like, oh,
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it's like, killing a dog in a movie.
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Same thing when you lean on the kid thing and you're like to tug at heartstrings.
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Weapons doesn't just get a pass.
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It just doesn't do that.
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there's a deeper meaning in this movie, and I'm really glad we're
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doing this episode because that's what I wanna talk about a lot more.
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But
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: at the very least, when they leave, like they're just gone,
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they're missing from the film.
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Jon: Yep.
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Ryan: Yep.
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Jon: Yeah, for about two thirds to three quarters of the film,
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you don't know where they are.
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Ryan: Nope.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Which is kind of cool.
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And then, it just hyper focuses on the town and the mob mentality.
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That's sort of like developing there because people are naturally flipping
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out because the kids are missing
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and then they're trying to blame someone.
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And who do you think they're gonna blame?
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Ryan: of course, the teacher.
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Kearns: Common factor.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Because anything that happens at two 17 in the morning has to be
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Ryan: Of course.
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Kearns: Right.
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Ryan: a track record though.
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All right.
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A according to Archer, she's got a DUI and she had a affair
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in one of the school buildings.
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But don't worry, it wasn't a kid.
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It wasn't a kid.
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According
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Kearns: she's a little slutty and she likes to get her drink on.
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Ryan: does.
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Kearns: And she's probably a great teacher.
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Jon: a drinking problem.
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She likes
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Kearns: Yeah.
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She likes red.
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So
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Jon: Yeah.
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A lot of,
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Kearns: burner.
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Jon: of the most fun women in life like
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Ryan: Uh, Mar
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Jon: and
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Kearns: That's true.
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That's true.
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Ryan: Married
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Kearns: That's true.
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Jon: Married men.
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Yeah.
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Or or otherwise taken.
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to be fair to Justine, Paul
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Ryan: Yeah, he did.
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Jon: to
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Kearns: and how did he do that?
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Jon: He told her he was not
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Kearns: Oh.
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Ryan: He did.
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Jon: woman.
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Ryan: He did.
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Jon: the
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Kearns: That's true.
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That's true.
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So we get further on in the story.
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the, so Josh Brolin's character Archer, I think is his name, he gets, real uppity
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about her because, and to their credit, these people are panicked and manic
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and they're, just grasping at straws.
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Their kids are missing.
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They're, you're o obviously gonna be flipping out.
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They're going for the only commonality.
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Why would it be everybody in this one class?
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So it is, and it's compelling stuff.
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It keeps you into the movie.
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You're like, yeah, you're kind of like, you're really drawn to it.
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And, we see Justine's coping mechanism is to drink her face off,
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which, you know, she's a vodka gal.
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Jon: Probably her general coping mechanism, regardless of whether
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Ryan: yep.
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Jon: kids
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Kearns: that's a good point.
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Do you notice she makes the, the white girl cocktail, by the way?
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Vodka soda with lime or just vodka with lime.
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But I think it was vodka soda with lime, which is my favorite.
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I was like, oh, skinny white bitch is what they call that at the bar.
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Ryan: Little spritz.
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Kearns: What you call that at the bar?
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Ryan: spritz
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Kearns: is pretty funny.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Set.
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I have a couple reviews for
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Ryan: I'm down.
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Kearns: God.
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I can't even imagine what these are gonna be like.
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Okay.
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Ryan: a lot more one star
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Jon: right,
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Ryan: than five star.
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Kearns: There's,
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Jon: there are were a lot.
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It, it was hard to parse through some of these reviews because
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is one of those movies that everybody thinks they're a film
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Kearns: uh,
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Jon: so they're writing epic reviews of this movie a lot of 'em miss the point.
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Both the good and the bad ones seem to miss a lot of the point.
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Kearns: at least what we perceive to be the point.
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Jon: I just watched that movie.
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It's outstanding.
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Amazing.
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One of the best stories I've ever seen.
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Great movies or type me a great review for that particular movie.
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Acting specially story at the script.
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Make it look like a human.
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Gets short.
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make it look like a charity or ai.
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Kearns: For the love of God.
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All right, well, I agree with that though.
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No charity or AI in this, but what are we doing here?
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Jon: what they
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Kearns: Grammarly?
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Yeah, do something.
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Jon: Yes,
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Kearns: that through the
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Jon: we,
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Kearns: GPT.
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Jon: we start to make sense now.
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Just finished watching weapons honestly, it blew me away.
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The story is gripping from start to finish.
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The kind of mystery that keeps you leaning forward the whole time.
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The script is sharp and layered, making every reveal hit even harder.
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really stood out to me was how human and real the characters felt.
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actors brought so much intensity and depth that it stays with you long after.
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This isn't just another horror film.
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It's one of those rare movies where the writing and performances
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come together perfectly easily.
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One of the best films I've seen in years.
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Would you like me to also make a super short one-liner review
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you could use for social media?
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Kearns: Oh, wow.
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Wow.
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So that everybody, if you're not familiar, is chat GBT.
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That's the end of the.
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Jon: after that first chunk of writing here, chat, GPT was
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Ryan: Oh yeah.
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: I was like, this is
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Jon: 'cause that initial word salad was,
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Ryan: well ridden.
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Kearns: pretty bad.
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Pretty bad.
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And I said you should probably run that through chat GPT.
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You should also pay attention to what you're copying and pasting.
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Geez, that was rough.
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Ryan: Uh, I got no response on that one.
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That was, yeah.
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Jon: yeah.
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So here's your one star.
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My husband, older son, and I went to watch this in theater today.
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I don't typically relieve reviews, but this one warranted one because it was odd.
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The movie was definitely more comedic than horror.
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I'm not entirely sure what I just watched.
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I love horror films.
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I grew up with horror movies such as the Blair Witch Project and The Ring.
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Kearns: Interesting choice.
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Jon: Maybe they're run, maybe they're running out of things
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to make horror movies about, because this was a confusing one.
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You leave asking, what did I just watch?
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It had moments that would qualify as horror because of the jump scares.
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But far from an actual horror movie, I can say I'm glad we watched it
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for The Good Laugh as a family.
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My husband is still trying to make sense of it.
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An hour after LOL.
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Kearns: Walt.
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Walt.
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Walt.
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But yeah, so, okay.
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Some people are dumb and that's, that's okay.
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That's allowed.
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But I'm glad that she was kind of fair about it, to be honest with you.
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Ryan: I,
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Kearns: Um,
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Ryan: where she laughed at.
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I mean, the shock
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Kearns: pretty linear.
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Jon: there were a couple parts at the end I laughed at,
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like, the visuals of the kids
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Kearns: Yeah, it was pretty funny.
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Jon: pretty
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Kearns: The, also the,
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Jon: like,
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Kearns: the, uh, Gladys cameos when she's just popping up at places
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like waving and things like that.
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That's also bizarre.
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Ryan: scared the,
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Kearns: That, oh, that was scary.
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Ryan: the shit
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Kearns: I laughed.
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I laughed at those.
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Like when she was on the roof or on the ceiling in Justine's
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place, I was like, Jesus Christ.
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Jon: I think what made me laugh the most consistently throughout
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this movie is how after the kids go missing, every other weird thing
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that happens is just like mess.
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So this happens in the town.
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People don't
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Jon: They don't react to Marcus Naruto running
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Kearns: yeah.
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Well, they, they're like, Jesus, like, what's up with that guy?
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And stuff like that.
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It's just running through.
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Jon: they, don't really react when a stampede of kids
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tear through their houses.
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They're just like, Hey, you're tearing up my
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Kearns: A lot of people would just jump up from the couch and be like, what the hell?
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And then the kids are gone.
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By that point, the kids were moving.
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I guess so people have seen the movies if they're still listening.
18:18
So you're, you know what we're talking about.
18:21
I keep thinking we have to like explain the whole movie, but the
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idea is you've already watched it.
18:24
So,
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Ryan: Definitely watch it or watch us watch the movie, watch
18:29
us again, like, and subscribe.
18:30
Kearns: so what was your feeling on the multiple, multiple perspective angle?
18:35
'cause I know reviewers and people who watch the movie are split kind
18:38
of right down the middle on this.
18:40
Some find it to be incredibly lazy and some find it to be a
18:43
welcome, way to make the film.
18:46
And some people think it's pandering to Gen Z, which they're, they're,
18:51
I mean, you can pander to 'em.
18:53
They're out there, they got money.
18:55
Ryan: very pandering.
18:57
Jon: Yeah.
18:57
I mean,
18:58
Kearns: You do think it's pandering.
18:59
He's in the piece of pandering.
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Jon: I didn't think so.
19:02
I, liked it.
19:03
I liked that, concept with this movie, because the way they're
19:08
telling the story, not everybody's gonna know all that information.
19:13
Like, Marcus shows up at a gas station laser focused on killing Justine.
19:19
But like, you don't know how that, how he got
19:21
Kearns: Yeah.
19:22
Jon: You don't like, they use it like, it's not frivolous.
19:27
They're using it to expand on stories.
19:30
Even like the James angle, the James chapter is, he reveals
19:35
a lot once you get through him being just a methed out psycho.
19:40
Kearns: he eats it bad too.
19:41
Ryan: yeah, it
19:42
Kearns: funny how they finally like Archer throwing James 18 times.
19:45
That was funny too.
19:47
It just keeps getting up.
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That was, that was comedy.
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the Barbarian connection.
19:51
We can talk about if we want to dive a little further into the theme
19:55
or what we perceive the theme to be because, Gary is in Barbarian.
19:59
He's the owner of the house that is, being rented out for an Airbnb in Barbarian.
20:06
He's also mired down in controversy for sexual harassment.
20:09
he's getting me toed in Barbarian, but in this movie, when we meet Gary, he's
20:13
one of the parents of the Missing Kids,
20:16
Ryan: Yep.
20:17
Kearns: which is interesting.
20:18
Jon: the first one to cooperate with archer's self
20:21
Kearns: He's pretty into it.
20:22
Jon: or independent
20:23
Kearns: Like he's pretty, yeah, he's way more helpful on
20:25
this than he was in Barbarian.
20:27
Ryan: Very much so.
20:29
Kearns: to make the connection to me makes it so that I feel like, they're telling
20:34
you or, the director's telling you at the very least, like there's not just, it's a
20:38
spiritual connection, but it's also this movie's deeper than face value as well.
20:44
That's kind of my thing.
20:45
And I, so I was connected to Barbarian.
20:46
I went All right, barbarian.
20:48
We did an episode on already, we talked about how it was really
20:51
heavy, about, a metaphor for trauma and sexual assault and all of these
20:57
things, and empowerment as well.
20:59
And I thought that that's something Barbarian did very well.
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Ryan: well.
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Yes.
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Kearns: This movie's gotta have layers too.
21:05
What do you guys think?
21:06
Ryan: Oh yeah.
21:07
Jon: yeah.
21:08
definitely.
21:09
think so.
21:09
I found a one star review that sort of goes into, I think a lot
21:13
of what we wanted to talk about.
21:14
Kearns: Sure.
21:16
Jon: So I'm gonna skip like most of the meat of it because it's a
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Kearns: I hate meat.
21:21
Jon: long review.
21:22
That includes, um, save your money on tickets and snacks and treat yourself
21:27
to something actually enjoyable instead.
21:30
But he does, he asks, gets to a lot of the questions that I've seen in other reviews
21:37
and other people who have watched it.
21:40
I kind of wanted to look at some of the things that he wondered about because
21:44
I think it resolves some of the issues
21:46
Ryan: Okay.
21:46
Jon: had.
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so one of the things he's confused by is how are they seeing the
21:50
clown ant if the whole thing is supposed to be based on voodoo,
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Kearns: I mean,
21:55
Jon: which is
21:56
Kearns: oh, right.
21:58
Jon: voodoo.
21:59
Kearns: the voodoo hoodoo aspect.
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People should know what oo is too, you know about voodoo, look up hoodoo.
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But the hoodoo voodoo aspect of this is very stark.
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They, pose her as a witch, in a lot of ways, but this is very v voodoo
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revolves or there's a lot in voodoo that has to do with zombie flying
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people, control and things like that.
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It's very big.
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Ryan: in the rainbow.
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Kearns: So I'm glad he brought, yep.
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I'm glad he brought that out because that's, this movie.
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He's making weapons out of people.
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Jon: Yeah.
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he asks, why did she kidnap these kids?
22:38
The reasoning quote to make her feel better was never explained,
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but it didn't feel like it needed
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Kearns: He was very intuitive.
22:45
Ryan: it.
22:46
Kearns: It was very intuitive.
22:47
Jon: you either got
22:48
Kearns: Well, she says it when she's talking to Alex about his mom and dad.
22:51
They didn't make me feel better,
22:53
Jon: with a
22:54
Ryan: Yep.
22:54
Jon: She didn't make her feel, they didn't make her
22:56
Kearns: even says that to him.
22:58
Jon: she.
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Yeah.
22:59
It's, it seems pretty apparent that it's a, a, a life force kind of thing.
23:05
A, a life,
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Kearns: Yeah.
23:07
Jon: know, the younger
23:08
Ryan: And.
23:08
Jon: are more
23:09
Kearns: Plus you chuckle.
23:09
Fuck, you just explained it to everybody, so obviously you got it.
23:15
Yeah,
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Jon: it.
23:15
You just didn't like it.
23:17
Ryan: He to go into deeper.
23:19
I mean, it goes back to the old, like tales, like the fairytales,
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the witch taking the kids, he the kids, the power of the energy.
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So like he,
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Kearns: a good point.
23:30
Ryan: like the old stuff.
23:31
Maybe he wants something new, but guess what?
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You get all the old stuff and you rebrand
23:37
Kearns: a reason.
23:38
Yeah, I was gonna say, there's a reason we keep retelling the same stories because
23:42
they're very, they're in our DNA Hansel and Gretel and stuff like that, which
23:46
is what you were getting at Bobby Yaga.
23:49
Those are all very in our DNA for a reason
23:52
Jon: Yeah.
23:53
Yeah, I mean, I think some of this also speaks to, we have a lot of people
23:59
who need to be spoonfed things now and like, if you need spoonfeeding this,
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Ryan: I.
24:05
Jon: struggle here.
24:06
Kearns: I.
24:06
Jon: they're not, they're leaving some of this up to
24:09
Ryan: And that's why I think real quick, that's why there's
24:11
like a lot of those fast cuts.
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It goes like not fast cuts, but it goes back from characters.
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It's like when we watch Pulp Fiction for the first time,
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there's a lot of shit going on and you have to have that attention.
24:23
I feel like with weapons you have to have that attention, but I feel
24:27
like it's so smooth and that's why it can relate to like the Gen Zs,
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'cause it's like a two hour film.
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can't make it past certain scenes and a lot of these scenes are quick.
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So it allows them to gain that attention and to watch actually
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a two hour film that is more than SpongeBob Squarepants, I'm just saying.
24:51
Kearns: Not a TikTok reel.
24:52
Yeah.
24:52
Jon: which sort of gets to another, question that I've definitely seen too
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is why bother with all the flashbacks if they end up going nowhere?
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Ryan: they do.
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Jon: they do, they fill in parts of
25:06
Kearns: Yeah,
25:07
Jon: that you can't tell from
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Kearns: and there's also, there's character building that's important here.
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Archer goes through a character arc of being a dick in the beginning
25:16
to com almost completely, actually, completely redeem, redeeming himself.
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Sorry.
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It's also funny that he's the father of the bully, by the way.
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Ryan: Well,
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Kearns: Now it's like, oh, that's who Matthew is.
25:27
That sucks.
25:28
Ryan: actually an interesting theory about Archer at the end.
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You
25:32
Kearns: What is it?
25:33
Ryan: redeems it all himself.
25:34
They say when you watch it, he doesn't snap out of it.
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Kearns: No, he does.
25:38
Ryan: uh,
25:39
Kearns: He stops.
25:40
He stops killing her.
25:41
Jon: does because,
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Kearns: Yeah, he stops killing her.
25:43
Jon: he's got her in a pretty fucking good
25:46
Ryan: but do you think a piece of him
25:48
Kearns: He's done.
25:48
Ryan: missing then?
25:51
Kearns: I mean maybe, but they, they don't give you enough to really flush that out.
25:55
Everybody else has got something missing, but he wasn't under for very long.
25:58
I think that's the argument.
25:59
Ryan: right.
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This is an interesting theory.
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Jon: yeah, I think time has something to
26:03
Ryan: Okay.
26:05
Kearns: But he runs through everywhere looking for his son.
26:07
He's following the trail of the kids left and he finds his son and he
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just picks him up and walks away.
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Ryan: Okay.
26:12
Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: I think it's hilarious that he doesn't give a shit about
26:14
the rest of the kids, by the way.
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Just leaves all them standing there staring at the corpse.
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Jon: Yeah.
26:22
Kearns: That's Archer for you?
26:24
Jon: what's the significance of the bell?
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I
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Ryan: control,
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Jon: does there need to be a, a deeper significance of the bell?
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It's,
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Kearns: Starts the smell.
26:34
Ryan: like,
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Jon: It's,
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Kearns: Yeah, that's probably what they're going for.
26:38
It's got the symbol on it too.
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Then you note the symbols on it.
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Ryan: I mean, I would've,
26:43
Kearns: The symbols are on it.
26:44
Ryan: asked about the salt lines, I would've kind of
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been like, okay, I, I got you
26:48
Kearns: That's witchy stuff.
26:50
That's witchy.
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Witchy stuff.
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Ryan: bell, the bell's signal.
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Jon: no, the,
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Kearns: That's voodoo too.
26:55
Jon: the salt lines is really another pretty established
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possession witchcrafty kind of
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Kearns: Yeah,
27:02
Jon: That those beings can't cross salt.
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Kearns: they do that.
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salt is all used a lot in voodoo as well to protect yourself from the
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things you're, you're working with, or at least it is in fictional voodoo.
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I don't know about real voodoo for that, but
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Ryan: in certain cases, yes, it's,
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Jon: Um,
27:22
Ryan: practice voodoo, but when I was doing my,
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Kearns: you're not convincing me
27:26
Ryan: I,
27:26
Kearns: just by denying it.
27:27
Ryan: I was,
27:28
Jon: You don't practice.
27:29
Ryan: I,
27:29
Jon: practice pania.
27:31
Ryan: you know,
27:33
Jon: Do you have a crystal
27:34
Ryan: listen, they did some what?
27:36
Jon: How about a million
27:37
Ryan: I wish I had a million dollars.
27:39
Jon: all?
27:39
Ryan: I
27:40
Kearns: That'd be nice.
27:41
I'll take zombies.
27:43
Actually, you can have the million.
27:44
I want my zombie people.
27:46
I wanna watch the world burn.
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We're getting to that point in life where you become the villain.
27:52
Ryan: I just wanted to show you,
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Jon: but a, a better question for you, Ryan, is would you pop a cap in Sancho?
27:59
Kearns: If you're listening and you don't know what he is talking about.
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I'm sorry for you.
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I'm not gonna tell you.
28:04
Jon: Uh,
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Ryan: if you, if
28:05
Jon: didn't
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Kearns: It would be sublime if you could figure it out.
28:07
Ryan: gonna, oh, okay.
28:08
Listen, name the song, at least it's been said, but just name the song,
28:15
like, and subscribe.
28:16
There we go.
28:17
Little plus there.
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Jon: Yeah.
28:19
Kearns: I thought you were goading me to do it.
28:20
I'm so glad I didn't just spit it out.
28:22
Ryan: gonna, I
28:23
Kearns: Uh, it's like,
28:23
Ryan: name the band and the song, and then you were like, supply.
28:26
And I was like, oh crap.
28:27
How do I
28:28
Kearns: well, I gave him a hint.
28:29
I gave him a hint.
28:29
Well, I also didn't outright say the band's name was Sublime.
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I said it as.
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God damnit.
28:35
All right, we're moving on.
28:38
So the,
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Jon: Um,
28:40
Kearns: here, there, John, John, you go,
28:44
Jon: no, I, I'm just gonna, I'll move on to more questions
28:47
from this review 'cause he's got
28:49
Ryan: Okay.
28:50
Jon: so one of the three complaints here, why even introduce the affair
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of the dad or the druggie character?
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Kearns: the affair with Diane, who's actually that, she's another actress.
29:01
June, Diane Raphael plays Donna Morgan rather, she's the wife who
29:05
tries to beat up Justine or the girlfriend tries to beat up Justine.
29:09
That is interesting because Paul, Paul needing to be a scumbag and all
29:15
that stuff isn't necessary for the plot of the movie, but once again,
29:19
character building establishes Justine as kind of having some loose morals.
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Ryan: Yep.
29:25
Kearns: There's.
29:25
Jon: yeah.
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that's kind of the least important thing that they introduce into this.
29:31
But you're complaining about introducing Archer, like you need
29:35
that character, you need the angry
29:37
Kearns: Yeah.
29:38
Jon: You have to introduce him some that, that
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Ryan: Uh, he's introduced.
29:42
Kearns: Yeah,
29:43
Jon: you
29:43
Ryan: introduced in the beginning.
29:44
I mean, you don't see his face, but you see him stand up.
29:48
You hear Josh Brolin speak as the character.
29:51
He's at the PTA, so they do introduce him and they show like him in the truck.
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So his presence is felt.
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so I,
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Kearns: agreed.
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Ryan: you know, it's subtle.
30:02
Kearns: I
30:03
Jon: Yeah.
30:03
And,
30:03
Kearns: was done too.
30:04
Jon: and, and to introduce
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Ryan: that.
30:07
Jon: the druggie character you like, he gives, you the plausible
30:12
reason for somebody to be
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Ryan: Yes.
30:14
Jon: the house.
30:16
Kearns: Fair point.
30:17
Jon: he finds a house that looks like it's unoccupied and breaks into
30:21
steal stuff for, to pawn like that, character has to exist, otherwise you
30:27
Ryan: Yep.
30:27
Jon: get in the
30:28
Kearns: We don't get the reveal of where the kids are in the basement.
30:31
Plus, it's a creepy ass scene when they, you know, the two
30:35
zombified parents are sitting there
30:38
Ryan: God.
30:38
Kearns: then they get up when he's like pulling the silverware up.
30:41
That's cool, man.
30:42
Ryan: was creepy just seeing them sitting there and you can tell
30:45
like something's wrong, but that scene was like nerve wracking.
30:49
Like nerve wracking where, oh, um, the movie don't breathe.
30:53
Like
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Kearns: Mm-hmm.
30:54
Ryan: of nerve wracking 'cause as like a audience member, you know, something
30:58
in the house 'cause uh, Justine peeks her through the, the little slit
31:04
through the newspapers, sees the parents and like, starts off on that.
31:10
Kearns: Just figured something out
31:12
Ryan: Yep.
31:12
Kearns: in that scene.
31:13
Presumably when the druggie, what's his name is that James.
31:17
James is walking through the house and everything.
31:19
He's making a bit of a racket and stuff.
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He goes up, he, he tries to open Gladys's door, it's locked, comes
31:25
back downstairs and everything.
31:27
You would assume because the parents get up that Gladys sick them on James,
31:32
but she doesn't have anything of James's to wrap around that branch
31:37
and sick on James or like to use that.
31:39
So how did she get them to, well, they weren't darting after him either though.
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They just got up and walked.
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So I guess it's a little different.
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Ryan: during the entire time.
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Kearns: I think he might've been in his bedroom or he maybe was out at school.
31:55
Jon: yeah, he may, because I think they started
31:58
Ryan: Okay.
31:58
Jon: in daylight, so I'm guessing
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Ryan: That was a speak about creepy scene when Justine's staking out
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the house and she runs up and yeah.
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I, no, that, that got me.
32:13
Jon: yep.
32:14
That was a good, that was a really good scene.
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I, I like that a lot.
32:17
so what's the obsession with parasites in this movie?
32:21
Kearns: This one's pretty on the nose too.
32:24
Jon: like this, is hitting you over the head.
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If you needed this more.
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Kearns: fact that he's bringing that up, he knows
32:31
Ryan: Yes, she is.
32:32
Kearns: This guy's like a troll.
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Yeah.
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Gladys is 100%.
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Jon: has
32:35
Kearns: 'cause he's got it.
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Figure it out.
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He's a pair.
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This might be the director.
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This reviewer.
32:39
Ryan: Crager, your son of a bitch.
32:42
Kearns: Yeah.
32:42
He's just,
32:42
Ryan: you though.
32:43
Jon: himself a one star
32:44
Ryan: He's,
32:45
Jon: could
32:45
Kearns: yeah, for real.
32:47
What a 3D chess move.
32:48
Ryan: did it for dogma already.
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All right.
32:51
Kearns: I thought you when you wrote the review.
32:55
Jon: No, he,
32:55
Ryan: It's so good.
32:56
Jon: that story that he went, the Westboro
32:59
Kearns: Yeah,
32:59
Jon: protesting his movie and he went and joined them.
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Ryan: I don't know what this
33:04
Kearns: that's very Kevin Smith, him
33:05
Ryan: it's not good.
33:06
It's really not good.
33:08
That exact quote.
33:09
I just swallowed these people.
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It's not good.
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It's religious.
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I don't know.
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Kearns: religious.
33:16
I don't know
33:17
Jon: Mm-hmm.
33:18
Kearns: Kevin Smith.
33:19
He's the best.
33:20
Jon: And
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Ryan: He's so great.
33:22
Jon: Kevin Smith.
33:24
Ryan: Scooch bouies.
33:26
Jon: Um, Snoo Bies Fly Fat Ass Fly.
33:36
Kearns: Shoot.
33:37
Jon: Um.
33:38
Kearns: Yeah.
33:38
Jon: So how did no one suspect the aunt when all the kids vanished and the
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parents both mysteriously had strokes?
33:46
it's pretty clear that the police did suspect that something was
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going on with the one surviving kid.
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They just couldn't
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Kearns: They, they inspected the house.
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They did the whole thing.
33:58
Jon: Yeah.
33:59
Kearns: They did the whole song and dance.
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But it's, the thing with law is like they need evidence
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if they didn't find anything.
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But the weird part is if the kids, where do the kids go to hide?
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Ryan: That's a good question.
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'cause they all run off.
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Jon: don't show it.
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Kearns: Yeah, they, that's a little lazy.
34:16
Jon: off, but they don't show where she
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Kearns: It's a little lazy.
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Like if they're in the woods and then they run back.
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Ryan: they're just
34:23
Jon: They might be, they, she might have just sent them far
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Ryan: hiding in the brush.
34:28
Kearns: Right.
34:29
Because it would only take one person stumbling on
34:31
Ryan: Timmy.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: 18 kids.
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Jon: the only question he really gets to that I don't know an answer
34:37
for is the gun over the house
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Kearns: And that one is, that's an artistic choice.
34:44
'cause the people are being used as weapons and the gun does have the time.
34:48
They all got called on it and it's archer's nightmare.
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So you could go in any direction with it.
34:53
Like,
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Jon: Yeah.
34:54
Kearns: but
34:55
Ryan: the, that interpretation because it connects not like.
34:58
Not only the title, but the idea that these people being controlled
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by Gladys are becoming, are, well, they become weapons technically.
35:08
I, it was a little artistic, but it works.
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I think like, it's like the time and all that, what could happen.
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Kearns: there was the only part of the movie when it happened.
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I was like, this is the dud.
35:19
This just, it's just so out of place.
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And then after when I finished the movie, I was like, I was right.
35:24
That was kind of weird.
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Ryan: well, it's,
35:26
Kearns: That was kind of, didn't need to be, that's just my pick.
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Yeah.
35:29
Ryan: yeah.
35:30
Like, okay, so when you're watching The Big Lebowski for the first time
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and he goes through the dream sequence,
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Kearns: Tread carefully here, Ryan.
35:38
Ryan: the first time.
35:38
No, I love the, I, I, I love that scene, but when you watch it,
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you're like, what is going on?
35:43
'cause you know, he is all drugged up, but like,
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Kearns: Well, but, but you know, you know what's going on in that scene.
35:50
Ryan: Brolin's going through
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Kearns: I mean, if you know, you know,
35:53
Ryan: if you know, you know,
35:55
Kearns: you know, you know.
35:56
But Yeah, but I don't think that's a fair, like, it feels like the
36:01
director wanted to put a subliminal message in our heads like weapon, the
36:05
movies, weapons, the kids are weapons.
36:08
And it was just, I just felt like it was a weird wedding cake topper sort of thing.
36:13
And the graphic is outta place in the movie in general.
36:17
They don't do anything even remotely close to that throughout the rest of the film.
36:20
It's just weird.
36:22
Jon: Nope.
36:23
Kearns: I didn't hate it.
36:24
Jon: really
36:25
Ryan: No, that's fair.
36:26
Jon: that's really the only part that does for
36:29
Kearns: Oh, you, you have it as a dud too.
36:30
I'm in good company then.
36:32
Jon: just that scene, just that one part.
36:34
It
36:35
Kearns: And I don't begrudge you for defending it either.
36:37
'cause like it was a reach.
36:38
It was a risk.
36:39
It was, yeah.
36:40
Ryan: liked it.
36:41
Jon: Yeah.
36:41
I mean, I like risks.
36:43
I just, that one didn't
36:44
Kearns: Yeah.
36:44
I like the rest of that sequence though.
36:47
The rest of that sequence was necessary.
36:49
Ryan: Oh, yeah.
36:50
Jon: Absolutely.
36:51
Ryan: like though, uh.
36:53
The dream sequence before with Justine, that that one hit more, I don't know.
36:59
For
36:59
Kearns: That was scary.
37:00
That was a scary one.
37:02
Yeah.
37:02
Ryan: you kept seeing in the trailer, and then you see the buildup for it.
37:06
I mean,
37:07
Kearns: When she wakes up and looks down the hall throughout the rest of the house
37:09
too, that shit freaks me out that like, I will never not be on edge by that.
37:13
'cause you know, you get to a certain age and it's like, what was that sound?
37:16
You're like, all right, I guess I'll sacrifice myself for the
37:18
family and you grab your, your whatever and you head downstairs,
37:23
Ryan: that's,
37:23
Kearns: face it.
37:24
Ryan: I stopped playing Silent Hill too.
37:25
The other night.
37:26
I had my,
37:27
Kearns: Oh fuck
37:28
Ryan: open.
37:28
I heard shit outside and I went, Nope, shut the game down.
37:34
everything
37:34
Kearns: yeah.
37:35
Ryan: door.
37:36
I'm not playing with this tonight.
37:37
Nope.
37:39
Kearns: We have coyotes that come right up to the back door over here and they whoop.
37:43
There's gotta be 20 of 'em back there and it's only happens.
37:46
It used to happen twice a year.
37:47
Three times a year.
37:48
Now it happens once every couple of years, but man is, it's still unnerving.
37:54
Ryan: of the coyotes?
37:56
Kearns: Oh, I would love to be kidding me.
37:58
That would be a great.
37:59
Jon: can we talk about what
38:00
Ryan: Oh God,
38:01
Kearns: I like Gladys.
38:03
Jon: I love
38:04
Kearns: of people don't like her too, by the way, 'cause she's all done up weird.
38:07
But that the makeup, the clothing style, presumably she's pretty old because
38:13
of the life stealing parasite thing.
38:15
And I think that's what the clothes are for.
38:17
I think that went over people's heads.
38:19
'cause she's got the wi wacky clothes
38:21
Jon: Yeah.
38:22
Yeah.
38:22
She, I mean, that's Amy Madigan, who's 75 in real life,
38:28
Ryan: 75, you know.
38:31
Jon: she's
38:32
Kearns: doing for 75.
38:33
Ryan: is.
38:33
'cause I, I remember from Uncle Buck and, I mean, I thought she's had to be
38:39
then in her thirties, then mid thirties.
38:44
Jon: Yeah.
38:44
She is probably in her
38:46
Ryan: I.
38:46
Jon: for Uncle Buck.
38:47
Uncle
38:48
Ryan: Me and a coworker, me and a coworker, miss aged her earlier today.
38:53
'cause we thought she was much older than Uncle Buck.
38:58
Much
38:58
Kearns: Yeah, Amy Madigan is the great actress too, and I was so
39:02
happy when I saw her in this.
39:03
'cause I didn't know it was her.
39:05
I didn't know she was Gladys either in the beginning until
39:07
they took the makeup off her.
39:08
I was like, oh my God, it's you.
39:09
Jon: Yeah,
39:10
Kearns: Uh,
39:11
Jon: But it's such a cool villain, like, and she does such a good
39:17
job playing it that you hate
39:19
Ryan: yes.
39:19
Jon: moment
39:20
Kearns: yep.
39:20
I can't stand her.
39:21
Jon: you
39:22
Kearns: I hate when she's getting what she wants.
39:24
The scene where she gets, Marcus annoyed the shit out of me.
39:28
Ryan: about that.
39:29
Kearns: like, were they feeding her everything she needed to get that started?
39:33
And then the brutal killing of Marcus's partner was so rough, and
39:39
that's why, and that explained why he looked like that with this bugged out
39:42
eyes when he finally got to Justine.
39:44
Jon: Yeah.
39:44
And, and that's why you need the chapters, because there's no
39:48
way Justine or Archer knows that
39:50
Ryan: he started,
39:51
Kearns: And that's what makes it work.
39:52
Ryan: and I saw his face and all I thought of was big trouble in little China.
39:56
Like, I was like, where,
39:58
Kearns: Good call.
39:59
Ryan: with this right now?
40:00
And then when you see that buildup, and Margaret doesn't want anything to do
40:03
with her, he just wants to enjoy his hot dogs, you know, watch his soaps,
40:08
whatever he is doing with his partner.
40:09
And then he denies her.
40:11
Jon: Yep.
40:12
Ryan: The partner's a little nice.
40:13
Which you're like, okay.
40:16
that scene
40:16
Kearns: I would've told her to get fucked too, to be honest.
40:18
Jon: they're watching their, parasite
40:20
Ryan: Fair.
40:21
Kearns: Yeah.
40:22
It over the head.
40:23
Over the head.
40:23
Over the head.
40:24
Ryan: That is a nice connection there.
40:25
But
40:26
Kearns: I mean, they slam you.
40:27
Barbarian does the same thing.
40:29
Ryan: do.
40:29
Kearns: They slam you with the message.
40:32
Jon: he's not subtle
40:33
Kearns: No.
40:34
Jon: and somehow people missed it.
40:36
Like, it's, you, really are sort of a, becoming a, a
40:40
group of people that needs it.
40:42
It
40:42
Kearns: Bradbury warned us,
40:44
Jon: think
40:45
Kearns: need English teachers to be allowed to English teach because
40:48
we can't do critical thinking.
40:50
And that's where it happens.
40:52
It happens in other classrooms too, but it doesn't get pulled out of the
40:55
ether anywhere else, but in an English classroom, I'm gonna say at that age.
40:59
Anyway.
41:00
Ryan: I agree.
41:01
Kearns: Yeah.
41:02
Jon: And it, it's fine to not like a movie, but I mean, if you don't like
41:07
weapons of some of the things that we've talked about, it's more because weapons
41:12
didn't fully explain things to you.
41:16
Kearns: Yeah.
41:16
Ryan: like if people don't get on the first watch, give it a second chance.
41:21
it'll fill in more for you that,
41:23
Kearns: That's a good suggestion, Ryan.
41:25
Where I, I was gonna tell people to find Jesus, but that's, that's better.
41:29
That's a nice middle ground.
41:30
Yeah.
41:31
Ryan: times to watch Anchorman, so I get it.
41:34
All
41:34
Kearns: God.
41:36
It's the deep thematic relevance of the film that really
41:39
helped to keep coming back for
41:41
Ryan: I, I love Lamp.
41:44
Jon: so weapons
41:47
Kearns: Baxter.
41:49
Jon: The few pod movies.
41:50
I sat and watched
41:51
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
41:53
Jon: and as soon as it finished, I turned to her and said, I need a couple
41:58
days to really think about and digest this movie, and probably I'm gonna
42:02
need to watch it at least one more time
42:05
Kearns: Did you watch it twice?
42:07
Jon: like, I have
42:08
Kearns: Okay.
42:09
Jon: it twice yet,
42:10
twice
42:10
Kearns: say
42:11
Jon: I'm gonna hold, I'm gonna hold the second
42:13
Kearns: that
42:13
Ryan: yeah,
42:14
Kearns: dedication right there.
42:15
What was her take on it?
42:16
Jon: She li, I think she liked it less than I did.
42:19
Ryan: Really.
42:19
So watched
42:21
Kearns: A Luke Warren take.
42:22
Ryan: she, she really loved it.
42:24
She thought it was a really good outing and, uh, it worked.
42:28
just, she loved how it was filmed, especially.
42:31
Kearns: Yeah, that, I mean,
42:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
42:34
Kearns: all that aspect of it going and then you get to the climax of the movie
42:38
where we find the, kids now there's the battle royale going on for what The fate
42:42
of these children and we're, watching this movie and we're kind of know the stakes
42:47
and we know the movie we're watching, so we know it's not gonna be clean.
42:50
They're not gonna just walk off into the sunset.
42:52
Having Alex sic them on Gladys was epic.
42:57
It was a cool way to end that, like that tense part of the film with
43:01
what's gonna happen to the kids.
43:02
And Archers arc. And Justine's arc too.
43:05
Although at that point I really didn't care much about her.
43:08
She'd surfed her purpose, I'm sorry to say, because she's
43:10
not a character you like love.
43:13
Ryan: like that tweener, like you
43:15
Kearns: Yeah.
43:15
By then you've, she was the first chapter.
43:18
By then you're at Archer.
43:19
You've seen Archer's whole redemption arc occur and stuff, so you're just sort
43:22
of away from Justine, that home wrecker.
43:25
Jon: Yep.
43:27
Yep.
43:27
And I mean, I will say you're watching, you're watching Archer choke Justine out,
43:35
and you like, you understand he's under.
43:38
The power of Gladys at that point.
43:40
And you also, this is sort of the one thing that's telegraphed, is you do
43:44
sort of figure out that when Gladys
43:47
Ryan: Yeah.
43:48
Jon: gonna
43:48
Kearns: Yep.
43:49
Ryan: Sure.
43:50
Jon: You
43:51
Kearns: Yep.
43:51
That's very linear.
43:52
The whole movie is very linear.
43:54
That's the other thing.
43:55
It's not ostentatious, it's not trying to be something.
43:57
It's not, it's not trying to be too smart for the room.
44:01
The movie, like John keeps saying too, the movie is very linear in, in
44:06
your progression of understanding.
44:08
Everything is very discernible as it's occurring.
44:11
And the action is action.
44:12
It's good, it's fun.
44:14
The scary, John might have more to say on this than, I will, but it
44:18
was right above the, like the bottom line for it to be a horror movie.
44:22
Like maybe it just made it over the bar, but it's not a deep horror film.
44:28
Jon: I'd say it's more thriller than a horror.
44:31
I mean, you get the co the couple of dream moments with Gladys that kind
44:36
of have the creep element and a couple other parts are a little creepy, but
44:41
for me it's a thriller, which is fine.
44:43
Like, it just, it doesn't have to be a
44:45
Kearns: Thrilling.
44:46
Jon: just didn't have to have scares
44:48
Kearns: Right?
44:48
It's gory.
44:49
There's some gore.
44:50
It's uncomfortable at times watching some of the scenes.
44:54
Jon: I mean, you get a, you get a nice day of the dead tribute
44:58
Ryan: Yeah.
44:58
You do
44:58
Kearns: yeah, it's getting taken down,
45:01
Jon: she very much goes out like a day of the dead
45:04
Ryan: grabbing the air,
45:06
Kearns: torn apart.
45:06
They rip her, they rip the top of her head off from the bottom of her.
45:09
Ryan: they eat her
45:12
Jon: all she,
45:12
Ryan: because she mentioned,
45:14
Jon: all she needs to be doing, is yelling, choke at 'em.
45:19
Kearns: I don't think they eat her.
45:20
even though she alluded to that with the parents, I can make them eat each other.
45:24
that was the other thing, Alex, that Alex Arc where you're
45:27
watching him have a defeat.
45:28
All the amide people that broke my heart.
45:32
Yep.
45:32
Ryan: smart.
45:33
Kearns: Like
45:33
Ryan: They,
45:34
Kearns: kid trauma stuff, man,
45:36
Ryan: grew, the character grew and he got smarter because I mean, do you think
45:40
he would've known how to do all that stuff with like the voodoo and stuff
45:44
Kearns: that Matthew kid better leave him alone now.
45:46
Ryan: hasn't sp
45:47
Kearns: That's what I'm saying
45:48
Ryan: in a
45:48
Kearns: because he's got that tree.
45:50
Yeah, that's a good point.
45:52
Archer's kid hasn't spoken in yet, but yeah, don't forget
45:54
Alex still has that tree.
45:56
Ryan: so you're saying,
45:57
Jon: Yeah.
45:57
And how, and Alex paid attention.
46:01
He
46:01
Ryan: say,
46:02
Jon: it
46:02
Kearns: Yeah.
46:02
So
46:02
Ryan: made him a mute.
46:05
Kearns: there you go.
46:06
Maybe now I don't hate the ending as much.
46:09
Jon: He might've.
46:09
I mean, that could explain why some of them come, but although, I mean, I. If
46:14
he had the power to do that to, Archer's kid, why didn't he give his parents
46:21
Ryan: true.
46:23
It's fair.
46:23
Kearns: Yeah, I don't think that it works that way.
46:25
I think that there was a toll that Gladys was sucking the
46:29
life out of 'em, and that's the toll that that's what they paid.
46:32
Archer wasn't under the influence long enough to really have been affected.
46:35
And that all makes sense to me.
46:37
It's like, okay,
46:38
Jon: And some of the kids were and some of them were.
46:40
And like you,
46:42
Kearns: it all tracks.
46:43
the ending of the movie is where I have my biggest gripe with it.
46:47
and it's really just got to do with the fact that they could have added a minute
46:51
to the film and probably landed it better.
46:53
I don't hate the way it ended.
46:56
I just hate the way they executed the ending.
46:59
It's an abrupt stop.
47:00
And I just don't think they needed to do that.
47:02
I think they could have done it a little bit better, I guess.
47:05
They were just like, we all right.
47:06
The movie's over and they, they cut it with John, with Archer walking
47:09
with Matthew over his shoulder and the narrator explaining things
47:12
didn't get all the way better.
47:14
Some of 'em never got back to normal, and then it just stops
47:17
talking and this movie goes black.
47:19
I'm like, Ugh, give me something.
47:23
Ryan: Hey.
47:23
Kearns: Give me something.
47:24
Or at least like, don't shove it down my throat so fast.
47:26
Like I, that could have been done a little bit better.
47:28
In my opinion.
47:30
Jon: Mm-hmm.
47:31
Ryan: a fair opinion.
47:32
It's a fair opinion.
47:34
Jon: Yeah, I can, I could see that.
47:37
Kearns: That was my own, the only thing, I just don't, I think
47:39
that the only, a non great part.
47:43
Ryan: Uh, it's fair.
47:43
I, I feel like, like it's not bad ending.
47:47
It could have been better, you know, but it does like kinda closes
47:52
it out, but makes you wonder, could there be more to the story?
47:58
Could there be more of a connection, you know?
48:02
Jon: Well, I've definitely heard that there are, there
48:06
are discussions about Gladys
48:09
Ryan: new line cinema.
48:09
Of course they're gonna do spinoffs now.
48:12
I mean the con,
48:13
Kearns: Please don't.
48:14
Ryan: is ending, so they need something.
48:18
Jon: I don't, I don't know that you need to, but I think, you know,
48:22
maybe a, a singular Gladys prequel be
48:29
Kearns: I wouldn't hate that.
48:31
Jon: it
48:31
Kearns: But the problem is, is that we already know that this.
48:34
We know her trick, so it's not nearly as fun now.
48:38
Um, but maybe they, they could presumably do something else with it.
48:42
Sure.
48:42
But I don't think they'll do just one.
48:44
'cause if it makes money, there's gonna be a whole shitload of Gladys out there.
48:48
Ryan: comes back.
48:49
Kearns: And she's 75.
48:51
Jon: And, and that is, that is the
48:54
Ryan: Yeah.
48:55
Jon: character really.
48:56
I mean,
48:56
Kearns: Yeah.
48:57
Jon: seems to be the person that most audience reaction is focused on.
49:01
Kearns: Yeah.
49:01
I mean, she's, she did a fantastic job
49:05
Jon: Mm-hmm.
49:06
Kearns: as actors of that era tend to do
49:08
Ryan: And she did.
49:10
Jon: Mm-hmm.
49:11
So here's the question.
49:14
Awards have recently liked to honor supporting roles in horror movies.
49:21
Kearns: so.
49:22
Which one?
49:23
Jon: Get a
49:24
Kearns: You think Amy?
49:24
Jon: Gladys.
49:25
Ryan: I
49:25
Kearns: if anybody deserves it, it's her.
49:28
Nobody else.
49:29
No.
49:29
No other performance is worthy of it.
49:31
Brolin's is probably the closest and it's just too far.
49:35
Jon: Brolin is
49:36
Kearns: Yeah.
49:36
Jon: like, I mean, he's,
49:38
Kearns: Brolin,
49:39
Ryan: I think,
49:39
he top billing?
49:40
Kearns: Julia Garner would be more, actually Julia Garner would
49:43
probably be more deserving of a nod.
49:45
And she, like I said, they're miles behind Amy Madigan's performance in this, so
49:50
Ryan: I would give it to Amy Manikin.
49:52
Jon: I would, I, I think there's a possibility you see her get a
49:55
Ryan: That would be nice if she wanted,
49:56
Kearns: it'd be nice to see her nominated.
49:58
It'd be nice to see
49:59
Jon: An an older, they like to throw those, to throw that to like
50:03
the older actors and actresses,
50:07
Kearns: JK Simmons and stuff.
50:09
Yeah.
50:09
Jon: mm-hmm.
50:11
D or DK
50:12
Kearns: DK Simmons, man.
50:13
Gotta watch out
50:14
Jon: RK
50:15
Ryan: not my tempo.
50:17
Kearns: Not my tempo.
50:18
Not my tempo.
50:20
Love that I will watch Whiplash as Comfort Food now.
50:23
It's so funny.
50:26
It's so funny.
50:27
I enjoy the movie, so like I, I only rewatch it up to the point of where he
50:31
gets in his car accident and ruins his music career and stuff like that part.
50:36
I usually, I'm like, okay, I, I'm good from here and I just stop.
50:40
It's just JK Simmons being a dick is all I wanna want.
50:45
It's so funny.
50:46
Anyway, JK Simmons should have been in this movie.
50:49
Ryan: God.
50:49
Imagine him as Archer.
50:52
Kearns: I think I would've rather him as Marcus.
50:56
Jon: It'd be an
50:56
Kearns: That would've been cool, right?
50:59
Jon: He would've been an interesting
51:01
Ryan: sure.
51:02
Jon: They didn't give that guy a lot to do, but that would be a
51:05
Kearns: Yeah.
51:05
He was just an angry father-in-law kind of guy.
51:08
Jon: Yeah.
51:09
Ryan: daughter snitched.
51:11
I'm, yeah,
51:13
Jon: his.
51:15
His son-in-law is also
51:17
Ryan: I,
51:18
Jon: pretty unhinged,
51:19
Ryan: I felt bad for Justine after he gets pricked by the
51:22
needle and then he pricks her.
51:25
It's just like,
51:28
Kearns: Yeah, I forgot about that.
51:29
Where he stabs the,
51:29
Ryan: yeah.
51:30
Kearns: he gets stabbed in the face.
51:32
Ryan: Yeah.
51:32
He, he deserved that.
51:35
Kearns: You of age.
51:35
Do you,
51:36
Jon: gets,
51:38
he gets, he get that
51:40
Kearns: that was funny.
51:41
Hepatitis, anything like that?
51:43
Not that I'm aware of.
51:45
Ryan: No.
51:45
No.
51:47
Oh
51:48
Kearns: It's good times.
51:49
I mean, so that's weapons guys.
51:52
I mean, we are talking about it like we're lukewarm on it.
51:54
We're not, we really like this movie.
51:56
Jon: I am very
51:58
Kearns: But what we have to do before we wrap up is really just
52:01
hit like, what did you think?
52:02
We know there's a deeper meaning here.
52:04
What do you guys think the deeper theme is?
52:07
And I always take the mic and talk for two hours on this shit, so I'm gonna shut up
52:12
and I just wanna hear what you guys think.
52:13
The deeper meaning is.
52:15
Ryan: The deeper meaning for me, I feel like
52:21
it's hard 'cause like watching it, like from the film perspective, I was
52:25
like so drawn to how the cuts were.
52:29
I mean, the deeper meaning to me is like can go pretty fast.
52:34
go away quickly, but they can always be found.
52:38
And then even though they're found, sometimes it takes time for them to
52:45
rebuild and that rebuilding could be a month, two months, a year,
52:52
20 years, but they'll get there.
53:00
Jon: All right, so went in with this notion and it, definitely didn't
53:07
do anything to dissuade me from it.
53:10
It feels like a school
53:12
Ryan: Oh, okay.
53:13
Jon: me.
53:13
I. It,
53:15
Kearns: That's.
53:16
Jon: it feels like you get into that classroom the day after they're all gone.
53:21
And
53:22
Ryan: Uh.
53:22
Jon: gone and it's just, you know, you get the trauma of a town.
53:28
'cause it's not just the parents, it's the whole town that's traumatized by it.
53:33
And you know, you get the lone survivor and then know, you have, even, after you
53:39
get the kids recovered, there's still
53:43
Ryan: Yep.
53:44
Jon: in them.
53:46
Like there's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of that in there to me.
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I mean, maybe it's, you know, like something pref on what
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we do that makes me see that,
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Kearns: Perfect though, because look at Archer too, John, like Archer's character.
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Everybody's scrambling to understand why and just think about what
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the reaction is every time that happens is to try to figure out why.
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What was the motive?
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What was the thing and stuff.
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And it's always that big scramble and then everybody's arguing about the why.
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And I think you nailed it.
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Um, the only thing I could think you could possibly do is scale it up from
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that on a societal level and talk about how the older generation, if you're doing
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Gladys, like maybe a double allegory.
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We got a double layer allegory here, but the older generation is absolutely.
54:35
Destroying any chance of prosperity for the younger generation.
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And might I add, these are the ones above us, so don't yell at me.
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And they're screwing the ones below us and we're right here in the middle.
54:48
Like, we wanna help, we wanna help.
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We see what's wrong.
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I think that the Gladys sucking the life outta the kids thing is part
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of that larger message as well.
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But to your point, the main allegory is probably the school shooting aspect.
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The gun on the house.
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That's the only thing I could really think of.
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Why.
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Jon: That.
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Yeah.
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That's the only way I can make that gun make sense to me.
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Ryan: I can see how that's going.
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That way.
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It makes sense.
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mean, the feeling and,
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Jon: Which,
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Ryan: yeah.
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Jon: I mean, if you want to go, if you want to go really deep,
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this is just sort of off, off the
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Ryan: No, that's good.
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I mean,
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Jon: is the rescue at the end real or is it just something that they
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Ryan: oh no, they,
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Kearns: I think it's real.
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Ryan: house.
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Jon: I
55:36
Kearns: Yeah.
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They crash through those houses.
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Jon: like,
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Ryan: That was
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Jon: like with the, vividness and the, sort of reality that Gladys was able
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to put into these people's dreams.
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Kearns: that's interesting.
55:49
I'm not buying it though.
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Ryan: is, this is real baby.
55:52
Jon: either, but
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Kearns: thought, but nah, but All right guys, that's weapons.
55:58
Do we have some top fives?
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Ryan: course, of
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Jon: course we
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Kearns: dammit.
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All right, we're running late.
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Let's go.
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Ryan.
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Top fives.
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Ryan: so I went with Top five Witches and I refuse to put Blair Witch Project on it.
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putting it on.
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Kearns: Why there's a witch in it.
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Ryan: it's, I've mentioned it too many times and it's gonna come up
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Kearns: You just never see her,
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Ryan: kind of in the shadows.
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But these wis you do see, and I do say witches because my number
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five, we're gonna start off with something I watched as a kid.
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Kearns: which is a eastwick
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Ryan: Yes.
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Starring Michelle Pfeiffer share.
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Sarandon and of course Jack Nicholson as the devil allegedly, directed by
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George Miller basically follows three best friends who are unaware that they
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are witches and that their regular meetings have formed an informal coven.
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The arrival in town of a mysterious man who starts courting them.
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Marks the start of a back and forth between him and the three women.
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I have not seen this movie since the early nineties, but I remember
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a lot of the scenes and especially how they torture Jack Nicholson.
57:03
It's just,
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Kearns: he tortures them with his dick too.
57:06
That movie is all about Jack Nicholson's Dick.
57:09
Ryan: and his fur, his fur chest.
57:12
Come on now.
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Kearns: His furry, furry mansion.
57:15
It's hard for me to believe Jack Nicholson was such a sex Scott
57:19
in his heyday, but indeed he was.
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Yeah, like Jack.
57:26
Jack had it, I guess.
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Jon: mean, even I'm not quite old enough for Peak Jack Nicholson sexy.
57:34
Ryan: Well,
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Kearns: Oh Lord.
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Ryan: in the next film did find him sexy for a little bit of time.
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And that's Angelica Houston.
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And we're going back to 1990 for We Adults, the Witches.
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All right.
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Kearns: Okay.
57:47
Ryan: of Evil Witches who masquerade as ordinary women and follows a boy and his
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grandmother, who must find a way to fold their plans of turning children into mice.
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movie creeped the shit outta me as a kid.
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I
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Kearns: Mice part.
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Yeah.
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Ryan: But it's,
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Kearns: Yeah, it's messed up.
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Ryan: memorable
58:03
Kearns: loved it.
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Ryan: and Rowan Atkinson is in it.
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I mean, I'm a Mr. Bean fan, so it was good like to see him do his
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little thing and then Angelica Houston going off on her thing.
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Just, it's a good, uh, adaptation of a Roll Doll story besides Willy
58:22
Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
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Uh oh.
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Jon: Do I have a old doll story that I just stumbled on this week?
58:32
Do you know what he did in the
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Ryan: No,
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Jon: War ii?
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Ryan: this is,
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Jon: He was a spy for the British government spaced in the United States,
58:43
with, among other things, cosing up to and potentially seducing socialites to
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convince them to speak to their husbands about the dangers of the Nazis and to
58:59
Ryan: huh.
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Kearns: It's actually pretty cool.
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Ryan: I mean, they got a pretty good guy to do
59:04
Kearns: Not yeah.
59:06
Ryan: I mean, who are you gonna have, Ian Fleming, that that wouldn't have
59:09
Kearns: If you, if you guys haven't watched The Wonderful Life of Henry
59:13
Sugar and the other two short films that are based off the Royal Doll movies,
59:17
they've all got Benedict Cumberbatch and Ben Kinsley in them and stuff.
59:21
If you haven't seen them yet, they are well worth the watches.
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They're very good.
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By the way,
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Ryan: oh, yeah.
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Kearns: doll is fantastic.
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Ryan: excellent writer and you know, it kind of sums up my feelings on this film.
59:36
I mean, it's number three, but it's like of defines the nineties, my love
59:41
for the nineties, it's the craft.
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I love the craft.
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Kearns: witches,
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Ryan: Listen.
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Kearns: filthy, filthy, goth witches.
59:54
Ryan: Block,
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she
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Kearns: We're not gonna dwell too much on it.
1:00:00
We're gonna get kicked off the air, but
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Ryan: Nev Campbell.
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Come on
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Kearns: yes.
1:00:05
Ryan: t Rachel.
1:00:06
True.
1:00:07
just four outcast teenage girls who find out they're witches
1:00:10
and it's a kickass movie.
1:00:12
If you've never seen the craft, give it a watch.
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Kearns: Baby.
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Jon: There are probably very few move movies that created my taste in women
1:00:24
Kearns: Yeah.
1:00:25
I mean, it's all there.
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Ryan: It's, oh, it's all there.
1:00:30
Kearns: It's all there.
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What's your number two?
1:00:31
Ryan: two.
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Oh, well, it's all here in this one.
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It's, um, so I saw this film very young, um, on my trip of
1:00:40
watching through the channels.
1:00:42
You go on IFC at like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night, and you
1:00:45
get this gem, 1977 saperia.
1:00:50
Kearns: Cool.
1:00:51
Ryan: As a kid, you, I didn't understand what the hell was going
1:00:53
on, but you wanna know something?
1:00:55
I was trooper.
1:00:56
I watched the film, didn't know what, I didn't know what the hell
1:01:00
was going on, but it stuck with me.
1:01:02
And like, I get the witchcraft in it, the dancing, the lights, and watching it
1:01:10
later on, you get a better understanding.
1:01:11
I recommend the original.
1:01:14
know the remake is supposed to be good, I, the original is where it
1:01:18
hits home, to give it more of a plot.
1:01:21
Jessica Harper, who's at the actress.
1:01:23
The main actress in the film is an American ballet student who
1:01:26
transfers to a prestigious European dance Academy, but realizes after a
1:01:30
series of murders that the academy is a front for a coven of witches.
1:01:34
And it's directed by Dario Argento.
1:01:39
Argento it.
1:01:41
I knew it.
1:01:43
Jon: So a very similar, very similar Suspiria experience
1:01:50
I watched as a teenager.
1:01:51
Didn't get it, watched it six or seven years ago.
1:01:54
Ryan: It's so good.
1:01:55
Jon: it.
1:01:56
Ryan: It's,
1:01:58
Jon: You don't get, yeah, I don't think you can get it as a teenager
1:02:01
Ryan: but this, it's,
1:02:02
Kearns: um,
1:02:03
Ryan: it's worse.
1:02:03
'cause I was like seven, eight years old when I, when I watched it,
1:02:08
Kearns: oh my God.
1:02:09
Jon: No shot,
1:02:10
Kearns: Shot.
1:02:10
Ryan: I just saw colors women and I was just like, okay, this is cool.
1:02:16
But I, I know Currents needs to go to number one and we're getting there.
1:02:22
This, this, all right, I'll stop.
1:02:24
I'll stop.
1:02:24
'cause I don't want to be like, ah, but number one, I'm going with
1:02:30
a Kara Issa was Throne of Blood.
1:02:34
The Macbeth story is filled with witches.
1:02:36
It's one of my favorite Shakespeares.
1:02:38
But OSA was throwing her blood, the adaptation into the idea
1:02:42
of, Japanese storytelling, myth legend, the lore of the ghosts.
1:02:46
It's got a creepy vibe and it's not supposed to be creepy,
1:02:51
but does the job well done.
1:02:53
And, uh, Toro Mune is just, he's excellent.
1:02:59
He's one of my favorite Japanese actors.
1:03:02
He's the De Niro of Japanese films at that time, as the Scorsese.
1:03:07
So.
1:03:09
that is my number one.
1:03:10
But John, we gotta hear your top five man.
1:03:13
we don't need Kern.
1:03:14
Armenia running wild over here
1:03:19
Jon: So I went with top five missing kids.
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Kearns: Oh
1:03:25
Ryan: in film.
1:03:26
Kearns: God, in film
1:03:28
Jon: Yep.
1:03:29
film.
1:03:30
In film.
1:03:31
I didn't just grab a whole bunch of old
1:03:33
Kearns: number five, John Benet Ramsey.
1:03:35
Jon: number five.
1:03:37
Number five.
1:03:38
Timmy Butler from Indianapolis,
1:03:40
Ryan: Why am I,
1:03:42
Jon: Just a, on December 5th,
1:03:44
Kearns: was such a pure moment from Ryan right there from films
1:03:49
Ryan: how?
1:03:49
How many chocolates do you wanna buy, Ryan?
1:03:51
$2. All right.
1:03:52
Two kids get released right now?
1:03:57
Kearns: all.
1:03:58
Jon: so five, the ice
1:04:02
Ryan: Yes.
1:04:03
Jon: Gregory, played by Clint Howard, who is also the superior
1:04:08
Kearns: The superior and the superior casting choice over every
1:04:12
other living human for this role.
1:04:14
Jon: Yep.
1:04:16
Only wants to make the local kids happy with his ice cream.
1:04:20
The problem is, Gregory is also crazy and before long the locals
1:04:25
are part of his ice cream business.
1:04:28
you get a cast littered with horror and b-movie legends like
1:04:32
Olivia Hussey, Michael Vincent, David Naughton, David Warner.
1:04:38
and you get a baseball legend too.
1:04:40
Steve Garvey's
1:04:41
Kearns: Oh, cool.
1:04:43
Jon: Yeah.
1:04:44
Highly recommend ice cream, man.
1:04:45
Listen, it's not, is not a list movie.
1:04:49
This is a b movie and it, but it's so much fun.
1:04:54
Um, so number four, I, I don't know if I've included this.
1:04:58
Somebody I think has included this before.
1:05:01
It's 1970 threes, the
1:05:03
Ryan: I.
1:05:04
Jon: the original
1:05:05
Ryan: Not the bees.
1:05:09
Jon: Nope,
1:05:09
Ryan: the bees.
1:05:10
Jon: not the bees.
1:05:11
PA police officer arrives on an island inhabited by a pagan cult-like
1:05:17
group in search of a missing girl.
1:05:19
The locals claim she doesn't exist, but there are weird things going on yet.
1:05:24
Edward Wood word
1:05:25
Ryan: Such a good film.
1:05:26
Jon: this also.
1:05:28
Kearns: Yeah, it's a really good one.
1:05:30
Ryan: we're saying, not health for comedy
1:05:33
Kearns: Now, the remakes all right.
1:05:34
Ryan: Comedy,
1:05:35
Kearns: The re.
1:05:36
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:05:38
It's
1:05:38
Ryan: the bees.
1:05:40
Jon: the re will like the remake based on how well you
1:05:44
can handle Nicholas Cage at his
1:05:47
Kearns: C?
1:05:47
Jon: over the top
1:05:48
Kearns: Yeah.
1:05:49
Jon: Yeah, if you can, if you like Nick Cage like that, you'll like the remake
1:05:56
Ryan: Huh.
1:05:56
Jon: So,
1:05:59
uh, number three, I'm going, this was probably.
1:06:03
Number one, if it were horror and it's prisoners
1:06:07
Ryan: film.
1:06:10
Jon: and I, I mean, prisoners jumped out also because of how much Archer reminds
1:06:16
Ryan: Yeah.
1:06:16
Jon: of prisoners 'cause that that character could have
1:06:20
been dropped into prisoners.
1:06:22
father takes matters into his own hands as he searches
1:06:25
Kearns: That Hugh Jackman
1:06:26
Jon: kidnapped
1:06:27
Kearns: yeah, it's Hugh Jackman.
1:06:28
Yeah.
1:06:29
Ryan: Yep.
1:06:29
And Paul
1:06:30
Jon: Gien Hall.
1:06:32
Ryan: that scene.
1:06:33
Jon: Yep.
1:06:35
It's a really, really good movie that I had forgotten about until I saw Archer.
1:06:39
Like the Archer character reminded me of that
1:06:42
Kearns: Hmm.
1:06:42
Jon: My number two is a movie that's generally associated with a
1:06:46
different type of horror movie, but it is also a missing kids movie.
1:06:51
It's The
1:06:52
Kearns: Oh, nice.
1:06:53
That's a good, good little good little sneak in there.
1:06:58
Jon: Mother and her two sons move in with her father in a coastal
1:07:01
town with a vampire problem.
1:07:03
And
1:07:03
Ryan: good.
1:07:03
Jon: of missing kids are the two related.
1:07:06
Ryan: It's just rice Michael.
1:07:09
Just rice.
1:07:11
Kearns: They're more related than a southern married couple.
1:07:13
Ryan: on.
1:07:14
Kearns: Number one.
1:07:15
Jon: And my number one is a movie I want to try to work in
1:07:20
at some point in the next few months onto our, our episode list.
1:07:24
'cause it's so good.
1:07:26
It's gonna be hard to have a lot of fun talking about.
1:07:28
And
1:07:29
Ryan: okay.
1:07:30
Jon: her back.
1:07:32
Um, so you get Sally Hawkins starring her of of Water Fame,
1:07:38
um, the death of their father.
1:07:41
Two siblings are sent to live with a foster mother who is preparing for a
1:07:45
Ryan: that's,
1:07:47
Jon: And I, I don't want to to tell you anything about the
1:07:51
missing kid would be a pretty
1:07:52
Kearns: Yeah, I don't
1:07:53
Ryan: recent.
1:07:53
Right.
1:07:54
Jon: that.
1:07:55
Ryan: Okay.
1:07:56
the one I'm thinking about with the,
1:07:58
Jon: like this year, I believe
1:08:01
Ryan: it's the poster with the, she's her head shaved.
1:08:03
Right.
1:08:05
Okay.
1:08:06
Yep.
1:08:07
Kearns: do, do, do, do, do.
1:08:08
Yeah.
1:08:08
We'll do an episode on that Bad boy
1:08:10
Ryan: Yes.
1:08:11
Kearns: with that bad girl.
1:08:12
Jon: It's gonna be hard to have a lot of fun talking about, but it's
1:08:15
Kearns: I mean, we made it through Barbarian that that was, I mean,
1:08:18
it wasn't too rough to get through 'cause there's a monster allegory.
1:08:21
This is like fricking horrible.
1:08:23
Yeah.
1:08:24
Ryan: I
1:08:24
Kearns: Yeah.
1:08:24
I guess I got your point, John.
1:08:27
But
1:08:27
Jon: Yeah.
1:08:27
This one's good.
1:08:28
This'll be rough to get through, but it's de, it's definitely something
1:08:32
Ryan: Okay.
1:08:32
Jon: people
1:08:33
Kearns: it's an interesting discussion to have in the future too.
1:08:35
You get a movie like Weapons or Barbarian, which has that, which is, you know, the
1:08:39
Long Walk, which is about what we're doing to the kids and things like that.
1:08:43
And then you
1:08:43
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:08:44
Kearns: get something that's a lot more in your face and
1:08:46
you're just like watching it.
1:08:49
There's no veneer, there's no costuming.
1:08:52
Like this is what you're watching.
1:08:54
So, but anyway, this was weapons, everybody.
1:08:57
We liked it.
1:08:58
I hope you saw it because if you didn't and you got this far, oh,
1:09:02
Jon: I If you late, if you didn't see it and you got this
1:09:06
Ryan: Just watch it.
1:09:07
Yeah.
1:09:07
Jon: watch it
1:09:08
Kearns: you know what though?
1:09:08
I bet you you're still gonna like it.
1:09:10
Jon: but watch it
1:09:10
Kearns: I bet you're still gonna like it, but all right.
1:09:18
Most awkward sign off ever later, everybody.
1:09:21
Ryan: one.
1:09:22
Jon: Yeah.