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- 0:01Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Elon Musk
- 0:04podcast This. Is a show where we discuss the
- 0:07critical crossroads that shape SpaceX.
- 0:09Tesla X, The Boring Company and Neurolink.
- 0:13I'm your host, Will Walden. Elon Musk's $1 million a day
- 0:19giveaway to voters in swing states will continue through
- 0:22Election Day following a Pennsylvania judge's ruling on
- 0:24Monday. This decision raises several key
- 0:28questions. First, is the promotion legal?
- 0:30Second, why are critics calling it an attempt to sway the
- 0:33election? Finally, what exactly qualifies
- 0:36someone to receive the money now?
- 0:38The ruling comes amid intense criticism from Philadelphia
- 0:42District Attorney Larry Krasner, who called the giveaway a scam
- 0:46aimed at influencing the election.
- 0:49Judge Angelo Foglietta of Pennsylvania's Common Pleas
- 0:53Court declined Krasner's request to halt Musk's giveaway, though
- 0:57Foglietta didn't provide an immediate written explanation
- 1:00for this ruling, His decision permits Musk's America PAC to
- 1:04continue awarding $1,000,000 each day to selected voters who
- 1:07endorsed the PAC's pro Trump petition.
- 1:10The contest, however, is set to end on Election Day, so no
- 1:14additional payments are scheduled for Pennsylvania now.
- 1:17The promotional campaign is run by America PAC, a pro Trump
- 1:21group founded by Elon Musk, and since its launch on October
- 1:2419th, the giveaway has awarded $1,000,000 daily to voters in
- 1:28battleground states including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,
- 1:31Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
- 1:35And Musk, a public supporter of former President Donald Trump,
- 1:39has funded America PAC with nearly $120 million, according
- 1:44to federal disclosures. His support comes during a
- 1:46critical moment in the election where Pennsylvania's 19
- 1:50electoral votes are likely to play a decisive role.
- 1:55Now America PAC officials claim the recipients of the $1 million
- 1:59awards are pre selected based on their suitability to serve as
- 2:04spokespeople for the group's values, not chosen at random.
- 2:08And according to Chris Gober, 1 of Musk's attorneys, the
- 2:11recipients are not chosen by chance.
- 2:14He explained that the organization selects individuals
- 2:17who views aligned with America's PAC's pro Trump agenda and who
- 2:22have agreed to sign a petition endorsing constitutional rights,
- 2:25specifically free speech and gun rights.
- 2:29Chris Young, America PAC's director and treasurer,
- 2:32testified that the group carefully reviews each recipient
- 2:37before awarding the funds. He described a process that
- 2:40evaluates potential spokespeople based on their personalities and
- 2:43their values. Winners are vetted through
- 2:45social media checks and in person meetings outside event
- 2:49venues. Young indicated the purpose of
- 2:51this review process was to ensure recipients are aligned
- 2:55with the group's messaging and capable of presenting its agenda
- 2:58publicly. Now, despite America PAC's
- 3:01claims, Krasner and his legal team argue that the giveaway is
- 3:04effectively an illegal lottery and an attempt to mislead
- 3:07voters. Pennsylvania law prohibits
- 3:10lotteries unless they're operated by the state, and
- 3:12Krasner asserts that the daily $1,000,000 payouts constituted a
- 3:16lottery since they're marked as prizes for signing the petition
- 3:20now. Krasner's attorney, John
- 3:21Summers, argued in court that calling the giveaway a salary
- 3:24for spokespeople was one of the greatest scams of the last 50
- 3:27years. Now Elon Musk's legal team,
- 3:30however, insisted that the program does not meet the
- 3:33criteria for a lottery since it lacks the element of chance.
- 3:37Instead, they say, the winners are selected in advance based on
- 3:40their potential to advocate for America Packs values.
- 3:43Musk's lawyer, Matt Haverstick, criticized the lawsuit as a
- 3:47political circus and argued that the payment should be seen as
- 3:51compensation rather than prizes. According to Haverstick,
- 3:55Pennsylvania law doesn't apply in its context because the
- 3:58winners are essentially being hired for promotional purposes
- 4:02now. In an attempt to further support
- 4:04their argument, Musk's lawyers highlighted that participants
- 4:07sign a petition in support of the 1st and 2nd Amendments
- 4:10before they qualify for the program.
- 4:12They intended that signing this petition is an exercise of free
- 4:15speech, making the giveaway a form of core political speech,
- 4:20and as such, they argued that preventing the promotion would
- 4:23infringe on Pennsylvanians rights to freely express their
- 4:27political beliefs. District Attorney Krasner's
- 4:30legal team challenged the PAC's defense, maintaining that the
- 4:34structure of the giveaway is a cover for a lottery system and
- 4:37that its promotional tactics are misleading.
- 4:40Summers showed the court of video from October 10th or 19th
- 4:43Trump rally where Musk stated the America PAC would randomly
- 4:46select recipients from those who signed the petition.
- 4:50He argued that Musk's statements at the rally created a false
- 4:53impression that the winners would be chosen by chance.
- 4:56Young, who is America Pack's director, admitted he was
- 4:58surprised when he heard Musk describe the giveaway as random
- 5:02at the rally. According to Young, America Pack
- 5:04had never intended the selection process to be random.
- 5:08The organization, he explained, always approached the giveaway
- 5:10as a structured recruitment of spokespeople, with the winners
- 5:14chosen specifically for their alignment with the Pack's
- 5:16values. Young also confirmed that
- 5:19winners had to sign non disclosure agreements, which
- 5:21prevented them from publicly discussing the details of their
- 5:24contracts with America Pack. Now, in a statement to the
- 5:29court, Krezner's accused Musk's team of crafting a deliberately
- 5:32misleading narrative. He stated.
- 5:34They know what they're doing is illegal and they're doing
- 5:37everything under the sun to cover it up.
- 5:39Krasner's office also discussed that PAC selective criteria,
- 5:44combined with the non disclosure agreements, concealed the true
- 5:47nature of the program from the public.
- 5:49This, Krasner argued, prevented voters from understanding that
- 5:52recipients were not randomly chosen, as Musk had said,
- 5:56suggested and stated. And Musk's giveaway program
- 5:59operates in a legal Gray area regarding election laws, as it
- 6:03may be seen as an indirect attempt to pay people to
- 6:06register to vote or to influence their political choices.
- 6:10Federal law prohibits payments for voter registration, and the
- 6:13US Department of Justice has issued a warning to America Pack
- 6:17regarding potential violations. However, federal prosecutors
- 6:21have not yet taken formal action against Musk or his
- 6:24organization. Now, the contested legality of
- 6:27Musk's promotion has significant implications for voter
- 6:30mobilization efforts, especially since the Trump campaign relies
- 6:33heavily on external groups like America PAC to canvas and engage
- 6:37voters. Now, the PAC's daily giveaways
- 6:40are part of a broader effort to motivate voters in swing states
- 6:43where the race between Vice President Kamala Harris and
- 6:46former President Donald Trump remains close.
- 6:48With Election Day approaching, Musk's funding for America PAC
- 6:52has positioned his organization as a influential player in these
- 6:56battleground states. Now, Monday's court hearing was
- 6:59one of the last attempts by Krasner to halt the program
- 7:02before it concludes. Haverstick argued that Krasner's
- 7:06request was moot, noting that the remaining 2 winners from
- 7:09Monday and Tuesday had already been chosen.
- 7:11Neither recipient, he pointed out, was from Philly, making an
- 7:14immediate court intervention ineffective.
- 7:17Haverstick assured the court that there was no risk of any
- 7:20further Pennsylvania residents receiving the money through
- 7:22America PAC's program. No Judge Fuglietta briefly
- 7:26addressed the limited time frame of the program, asking both
- 7:29sides to confirm that the promotion would end on Election
- 7:31Day. Haverstick's response
- 7:33highlighted that the final two recipients had already been
- 7:35notified, thus precluding any further participation from
- 7:39Pennsylvania voters. And despite Kreisner's
- 7:42objections, Fuglietta issued a brief order allowing the
- 7:46giveaway to continue, stating he would clarify his reasoning at a
- 7:50later date. Now, the controversy surrounding
- 7:53the program highlights Musk's increasing involvement in
- 7:55political activities. Elon has openly supported Trump
- 7:58throughout the campaign, and he has used his social media
- 8:01platform X to endorse Trump's policies and events.
- 8:05Musk's deep financial Support for America PAC also reflects
- 8:08his recent ideology alignment with conservative causes,
- 8:11including free speech and gun rights, which the PAC's petition
- 8:15prominently endorses. America PAC's efforts in swing
- 8:18states have drawn attention not only for the sizeable payments,
- 8:22but also for PAC's high profile endorsement by one of the
- 8:25world's wealthiest individuals. And as BUS continues to fund the
- 8:28organization, his involvement in voter mobilization efforts is
- 8:32usual among CE OS of major tech companies.
- 8:36And this is a unique approach to political engagement by Elon.
- 8:39This convolvement has, however, attracted legal scrutiny and
- 8:43public criticism for various political leaders and election
- 8:46officials. Now already, the program has
- 8:49distributed a total of $17 million to registered voters
- 8:52across 7 battleground states, according to America PAC, and
- 8:56its posts on X and the Pack's last recipient before Election
- 9:01Day is expected to be announced on Tuesday from Michigan.
- 9:03With Election Day marking the conclusion of the program, the
- 9:06Pack has emphasized that it will not extend the giveaway beyond
- 9:10this date, in line with the judges inquiry during the
- 9:13hearing. And the ongoing legal disputes
- 9:16may continue even after Election Day, though, as officials assess
- 9:19the program's compliance with federal and state election laws.
- 9:22And as of now, the Justice Department's Cautionary Message
- 9:25to America PAC signals potential legal challenges down the line.
- 9:29However, the outcome of the scrutiny and whether it will
- 9:32impact Musk or the PAC directly remains uncertain.
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