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Sprinkler Controlled Fire Incident Audio · B Shifter

• 0:48
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the B-Shifter podcast, john Vance and Josh Bloom with you here today, so happy to have everyone along for this edition of the B-Shifter podcast.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: We're well into summer, which has been going really fast here between weather events and a lot of rain and not being able to get out and enjoy the weather as much.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: It just seems like summer is flying by.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: How are you doing, josh?
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: I'm doing really well.
• 1:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, summer's flying by here in Cincinnati, busy, busy.
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: It's interesting, just like I think all across the country we're seeing quite an uptick in EV-involved fires at buildings.
• 1:35
  Speaker 3: And then, john, I think, like we talked about and we're going to talk more about it coming up these recycling plant fires and you know some of those are being linked back to you know potential, you know improper disposal of batteries and so on.
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: So I think over a five-day period in our immediate response area there was five different large industrial fires at these recycling facilities and that's no fun because we're having not really complaining about it because we choose to live here, but 98 degrees and 85% humidity for the six to eight hour.
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: You know event is never fun.
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I've been busy around here and then you know blue card, so we've been, we here, and then you know blue card here, so we've been.
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: We did what the trainer in phoenix we did, uh, trainer in cincinnati.
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: They're in flugerville wrapping up a class and then here in a week or two you guys will be headed to, headed to michigan for, you know, the first of their two train-the-train classes there in the Ann Arbor area.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to get back there because I actually worked there part-time as a firefighter for a while and it's good to see departments that I was with picking it up and carrying on with Blue Card.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: I think the area in Michigan has a lot of great firefighters, a lot of sensibly aggressive firefighters.
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Just organizing it in a way that Blue Card does for them, I think, is going to be just a game changer for that region.
• 3:16
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• 3:23
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• 3:25
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• 3:30
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• 3:34
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• 3:39
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• 3:47
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• 3:51
  Speaker 2: What kind of action have we had?
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: And it really looks like the conference is filling up fast, josh, I mean this might be a matter of get your seats while you can, because we might end up selling it out.
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, john, I think there's a good chance we're going to sell it out and really, I mean the sellout just becomes down to the conference center where we're at.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: You know the seating capacity in the space that we have, so it is filling up, you know, very quickly I think there's like 250 seats left and it's what?
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: About three months, yeah, three little over three months away.
• 4:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the general conference going really well 21 different presenters we got this year, so you'd have an opportunity to, as an attendee, to see eight or nine of them.
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: And then we have four different general sessions, you know, including Shane Ray talking about what's going on with these sprinkler controlled fires and big boxes, and now retired Chief Frank Lieb from FDNY doing a general session on mid-rise fires and what are those critical factors really look like and how do those differ a little bit, along with Dan from FSRI giving us a update on, you know, the near-miss things they're doing, as well as the latest with all the work that they're doing on the lithium-ion battery parts and pieces, and then, obviously, our B shifter live podcast Q and a session.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: And then just a general update from from us what's going on with us roll out a silverback leadership, third edition of fire command, the RF module, the TRT modules, all of those pieces and on top of that you know the that lineup.
• 5:39
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• 5:44
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• 5:48
  Speaker 3: So besides that, uh, we decided this year to start doing a pre-conference workshop, really to capture, um, give people the opportunity to see, uh, the Mayday workshop if they, if they uh couldn't get enough folks together in their own region to do it, uh, so we started that out with 40 seats region to do it.
• 6:06
  Speaker 3: So we started that out with 40 seats.
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: It filled up immediately.
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: So we've expanded that.
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: I think we now we have a hundred seats.
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: We expanded it to a hundred seats and I looked at it this morning.
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: As of this morning, there's 16 seats available.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: So, with that said, if you're looking to get into that Mayday Workshop, make sure you get signed up for that.
• 6:22
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• 6:25
  Speaker 3: And again that that's one of those things.
• 6:29
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• 6:30
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• 6:41
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• 6:44
  Speaker 3: So I think we got just six seats left available on that and it's, you know, three months away.
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: So again with that, if you come to the, the full price 715.
• 6:55
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• 7:01
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• 7:02
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• 7:04
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• 7:04
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• 7:05
  Speaker 3: Come to the conference, get certified and attend the two-day conference on the back end of it.
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: So we're trying to keep it very reasonably priced.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: So somebody last week just told me hey, you're charging $715 for this five days.
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get an online, I'm going to come there and get certified and get two full days of a conference with 21 instructors.
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, they're like you know, that comes out to like $6 per training hour.
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I said we're wanting to train firefighters, we're wanting to continue to create thinking company officers and ICs.
• 7:42
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• 8:16
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I'm super excited about the conference.
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: It's coming up, it'll be on us before we know it.
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: So September 30th through October 4th, for the full five days, right here in Cincinnati, back at the Sharonville Convention Center Excellent location, we've got plenty of space there and then that Thursday night of the conference, again, we're going to do that Third Eye Brewing Gathering, which last year was, I think, fantastic.
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: We had 450 or maybe 500 people, I think, ended up funneling through and everybody there having a little bite to eat and enjoying some drinks and just talking about what we do Not necessarily what we do, blue Card, but the fire service.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: That was really good, so we'll be doing that again this year, so looking forward to that.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: And for the conference too.
• 9:11
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• 9:16
  Speaker 2: There's refreshments available throughout the day, so it's a great venue.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: That Sharonville Convention Center is just a really easy place to hang out and learn and it's comfortable, and we really try to take care of everybody while they're there too.
• 9:29
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• 9:31
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• 9:39
  Speaker 2: So today we have incident audio 15th.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: So today we have incident audio.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: This is always a popular feature on the B Shifter podcast, where we take folks to different regions of the country.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: I know we get great audio from folks out there.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: Even if it's an initial radio report and follow-up report, send it to us.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: We love to share it with the other Blue Card users.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: We put those up on our social media sites and today we're going to listen to about a 10-minute clip from the Vancouver Washington Fire Department.
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: This is a fire that is sprinkler-controlled at a commercial building.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: What can you tell us about this incident before we roll the audio, josh?
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so not too long ago we did some other live audio, I think, from Vancouver, and once we posted it it kind of triggered them, I think, to say, oh, we have another event here that went well.
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say different, but it was different than the first one that they sent right.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: I mean the first one they had also ended up as a commercial building fire where they changed strategies.
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: This one, a commercial building fire, it's in one of those um buildings.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: It's like a hundred feet by like maybe 400 feet, Uh, and it's mixed there's some, there's some, there's some shorter tilt slab to it, there's some peaked roof on it, there's some flat roof.
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: It's almost like one of those places that you see.
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of something I see in Florida, like where you, where you have this giant row of a commercial strip mall, if you will, but it's not like the commercial retail strip mall.
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: But you could have a, you could have a restaurant, and part of it next door could be a, a boat, you know, repair shop.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: Next door to that could be a car detailing shop, next door to that could be, you know, cabinet shop.
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: So, uh, more of like a industrial complex where, uh, where they've put in.
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: You know this commercial restaurant.
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: So, uh, when they sent it to us we listened to it.
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: A good size up, good follow-up report.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: Right away.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: They report that they got a sprinkler activation that they do, got a work and fire.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: And not too long before that they had just been to one of our big box classes.
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: And you know, during the big box class Shane Ray talks a lot about sprinkler controlled fires period or sprinkler buildings period.
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: So, whether it's a single family home apartment, a single standing occupancy, restaurant, Napa Auto Parts, or if it's a Target, even Amazon Distribution Center, so we talk about the sprinkler, the factors that we deal with with sprinklers, and we know that the sprinkler system, when we pull up the sprinkler system, is either containing the fire or the fires overrun it and typically, if that's the case, that there's some kind of problem with the system.
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: So in this case they had just been to a big box class.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: They had it in their mind that, hey, you know, the sprinkler system's controlling this thing.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: It doesn't have beds in it, the occupancy's closed at this point there's no reason to, you know, run in there, we're not going to treat it like a house on fire, we're going to treat it like a commercial building with a sprinkler system that is closed, the doors are locked, Nobody's in the parking lot.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: So it's just a good example of an organization evaluating the real critical fire ground factors, applying an appropriate incident action plan to solve the problem and using the system, the strategic decision making model as part of the system and the evaluation of critical fire ground factors, and continually using all eight functions of command as they go through, all eight functions of command as they go through.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: And it's a great example of this fire department that everybody understands and knows the system and has been trained.
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: And you can hear that through the communications piece.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: Nobody's trying to override anybody else Clear, defined communications.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: They've had conversation about tactical decisions on different types of buildings and what we're going to do so that companies can kind of forecast what their assignment may even be.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll just listen to it and then we'll have some discussion about it afterwards.
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: Engine six.
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: Engine six is arrived to a large single-story commercial building.
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: We do have water flow sprinkler activation.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: We do have a working fire with smoke bank down.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: We're going to be in the offensive strategy.
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: Go ahead and check me a second alarm, second off channel.
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: Have all units level two stage at station six.
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: Engine six is going to be Charlie's command.
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: I copy Engine 6.
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: Large single-story commercial building is starting a second alarm at 421.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: All 52, connect train 3 and route.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: Squad 6, Engine 6.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Squad 6, go ahead.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: You're assigned to Engine 6.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: All 52, command.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: Command go ahead 360 is not complete due to size.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: Engine six is going to be parked on the alpha side.
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: I copy that.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: Engine six alpha side and you will have ops five three-3.
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: For your second Ops, Ops 5-3.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: Copy Ops 5-3.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: And Engine 6,.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Did you want me to start an ambulance on this, with it being a closed business, or do you want me to just get them started anyway?
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Right now, I just want one ambulance for firefighter standby.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: Copy that Now.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: I just want one ambulance for firefighters.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: Stand by.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Copy that Ops 51, or Ops 52,.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Battalion 2 has arrived.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: I have four.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: Command Battalion 2.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Command Agent 8's level 100.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Agent 8, establish a water supply.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, we've established a water supply to Engine 6.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Command Battalion 2.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's on the scene.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I understand you've got a sprinkler activation.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: You've declared a working fire with smoke down to the floor in Charlie's.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: You've got a working fire with smoke down to the floor in Charlie's.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: You've got Squad 6 assigned to you and you have Engine 8 establishing a water supply to Engine 6.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Is that correct and can I get a?
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Can report that is correct and on the Charlie's side of Charlie's Bar and Grill we do have broken glass.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Engine 6 is ready for reassignment.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Received.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Battalion 2 will be assuming Charlie's Command.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: We'll continue the second alarm assignment Command to Engine 5 for Level 1.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Engine 5, go ahead and get us a drive around.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Come on into the complex, get us a drive around 360.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: 5, copy Engine 10, level 1.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Copy Engine 10, stay level 1 out on 112.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Command Truck 5 has arrived.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Truck 10 has arrived.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Truck 10,.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and have you go all out for roof report.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: All out for roof report, so we have truck 5, level 1.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Truck 5, go ahead and make your way into the scene spot to your advantage.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Let's work on access to the Charlie's occupancy.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: If we have a cold smoke fire, our emphasis is going to be on ventilation, so I've got making access.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Engine 10 bring your crew up and actually stand by Engine 10.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Engine 5 command this is Engine 5, command this is Engine 5.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: 360 is complete.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: The smoke was contained to the Charlie's restaurant Copy.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: That's what I was hoping you'd say.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Thanks for checking those occupancies.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Engine 5, see if you can locate an FDC for this building.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: There's an FDC right at the entrance to the complex, but I just want to confirm that it supplies the A building Five copies.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Looking for FTC Command.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Engine 8 with the FTC.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Engine 8, go ahead with your status change.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Water supply secure.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, engine 8, water supply secure.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Go on.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Create a assignment.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, engine eight Water supply secure.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Go on deck.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: On the alpha side Copy Go on deck alpha.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: And info for 10-minute burn timer since this side's up.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, copy 10-minute burn timer.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Engine six command Go ahead.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Brain in six.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, engine six, I'm going to assign you fire control.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: However, this looks like a cold smoke fire.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: We're going to be very conservative and we're going to wait until we've got some better access and better ventilation so that the sprints are controlled.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Engine 6, copy Fire control Conservative.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I do have a heat indicator on the Charlie side.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make my way to the Charlie side to see if I can get a better visual with my tech.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Copy that and let's, we'll wait until we get a roof report too.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Engine 10, command Engine 10, command Engine 10.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, park out of the way bring your crew up and go on deck on the alpha side.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Copy that Nick Alpha Command Engine 5.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: We circled the building again.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: No FTC on the building Copy.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: It must be this FTC out here by the hydrant at the entrance.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Will you assist the or will you make your way back around to this side?
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Establish your own water supply and support this FTC.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Support this FTC, five copies.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Establish drone water supply to support the FTC.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Command Engine 4 is level 1.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Command copy.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Engine 4 is level 1.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Command.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Truck 10 with roof report.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Truck 10, go ahead and do roof report.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Good morning.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: John we have heavy smoke coming out of the kitchen vent.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Other than that, no indicators.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Copy Is that out of?
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Like a kitchen, like a hood vent?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Copy Do you have any natural or any skylights or any openings you can open up real quick up there?
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Check the attic space.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Negative.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Copy Can you stand by on the roof prepare for ventilation?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Copy Preparing for ventilation 1623,.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: We're staged Copy 1623.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: And 2371.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: 1623,.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: We're staged Copy 1623.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: And training 3, 7-1.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Training 3, report to Alpha Division for Alpha safety.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Copy Alpha Safety Command, truck 5.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Status change.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Truck 5, go ahead with your status change.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Truck 5, we've got all exterior access points for trolleys opened up.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: We're ready for reassignment.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Copy Truck 5.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Copy Truck 5 is reporting.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: All exterior access points are open.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Truck 5, go ahead and hook up with Engine 6.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: We'll have you be with Engine 6 to assist with fire control Truck 5, copy Fire control with Engine 6.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: All units on the fire ground.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Battalion 1 is going to be Alpha Division.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Alpha is going to have Engine 6, truck 5, truck 10, engine 8, and Engine 10.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Command Alpha Division is in place.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: We're making an entry with a 2.5.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Command copy Alpha is in place and we're making an entry with a 2.5.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Command.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Engine 3, level 2 stations head up one block to the south or off to F3.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: At the two and a half here we have engine three level two station set up one block to the south or off to F3.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Alpha Division, truck 10, prior to traffic.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, truck 10.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: We have a heavy smell of propane on the roof.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Copy Heavy smell of propane on the roof.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Why don't you guys exit the roof?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I think we can do some pretty adequate horizontal ventilation with a bunch of windows, if we need it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Copy we're exiting the roof.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Command from 5-2, or Opposite 2 from Command.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Can we get Northwest Natural started here?
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: That's fine.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Command is engine 6,.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: This is Alpha.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Last unit.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Repeat your transit.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Command.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Engine 6, this is Alpha.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Go ahead engine 6, this is Alpha.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: We do have knockdown.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: We are ready to turn on the sprinklers, open up the structure for ventilation.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Alpha copies you got a knockdown.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: We're ready to turn off the sprinklers and we can ventilate.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: We can give you positive pressure from Alpha to Charlie Copy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Positive pressure Alpha to Charlie and we are going to need to come out to recycle.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Copy Engine 6 is coming out to recycle.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Awesome, great audio there.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Vancouver, washington commercial fire at a bar and grill.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I know it was a little confusing because going to a place called Charlie's when you actually have stuff working on the Charlie side, that kind of threw me the first time I listened to it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But they were able to clarify that pretty quick.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I think this is a good example.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Josh, just starting off with this department, got everything in place before they committed themselves to an interior position, so there was a lot going on on the front end and it was very impressive in the methodical way that they handled this.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they evaluated the critical factors and made a decision that they had sprinkler activation smoke to the floor.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Smoke wasn't pumping out of the building.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: They've had the discussion about what does it look like when there's still a fire in the building.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: They've had the discussion about what does it look like when there's still a fire in the building.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: So, so they had a little time right.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: So, like, what are we going to do to solve this problem?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: And, as we always talk about in our sprinkler controlled class, with big in big box fires or commercial building fires or whatever, the sprinkler system was going off while you were still laying in bed and and so you know the water's been flowing for two or three, four minutes, right, and it comes back to what Shane Ray says a lot of again the sprinkler system was either getting it and containing it or it's not, and it's going to look like two totally different things.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: We become the overhaulers in most all of these events, and I mean there's no better time, I think, than for us right now to say, if you don't follow the National Fire Sprinkler Association social media of what they post every day on sprinkler saves, sprinkler systems are putting out a whole lot more fires than any of us really in our mind think about.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And you know we become the overhaul.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So you know, back to this event engine six.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Great job, I mean.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: They hit every single point on the size up and the company officer you know had was focused enough to know that I'm the incident commander here and I'm making decisions on the front end of what this is going to look like in five, 10 and 50 minutes, of what this is going to look like in 5, 10, and 50 minutes.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So, besides the initial radio report given a great size up, calls for the second alarm, great best practice.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Get the companies coming and says a level 2 staging location and says I need a second channel for the level 2 staging.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: That didn't happen because somebody hadn't trained on that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: They have a policy that says this is what we're going to do.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: They train on that policy, they talk about it and here they had an opportunity to exercise it right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: So that's like the system worked.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: So, as we were listening to this, I kind of filled out like our blue card IC, strategic IC worksheet, and I felt totally comfortable afterwards listening to this tracking where every company was what they were doing, what they were reassigned to do that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: They were filling out assignments based off of the critical factors and addressing the tactical priorities.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: So the follow-up report, command no 360, due to size.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Well, they announced that the building is large.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: They didn't get all the way around it, but that triggered that strategic IC arriving to give that assignment later to somebody to drive around this building.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Let me know what's going on and what you see.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: So that company officer of engine six we talk a lot about size up plus three.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: So they did a great size up, reported their follow-up report.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: The battalion gets there right behind them.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: But the size up plus three thing is what am I going to do?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: What's the incident action plan look like?
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: What am I going to do with the next two or three, maybe four companies if a battalion doesn't get here to transfer command right away?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Three, maybe four companies if a battalion doesn't get here to transfer command right away?
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So engine eight went level one and command knew engine six.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: At that point I need to get a water supply, make sure I get a water supply.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: So before, even though the battalion had called them ready for command transfer, command was still engine six and said engine eight, get a water supply and the battalion knows that right.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: It's not like I got more bugles and I'm pissed and I got here and I called you and you didn't answer.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: It's like no, everybody's operating within the system.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It was very controlled, very organized, following the order model, and then came back and they did a rundown, did a command transfer, so that that was really good like the whole.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: What?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: What's going on now?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: What do we need to do?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: You know what's kind of happened?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: So, beyond that point, because they hadn't gotten a 360, engine five got assigned.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Hey, go ahead and do a drive around.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Let me know what you see.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Well, what happened with that didn't happen on accident either.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: When it comes to engine five, given that report of the smoke is contained to just the Charlie's restaurant, because you could tell somebody drive around the building.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: And they're just going to drive around the building.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: But what so?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Why won't you drive around the building on your three 60?
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you're looking for the same things as if you're walking around a thousand square foot house.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Where Where's the smoke coming from?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Is there fire in other places?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Where is the fire?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Is there something that's going to change our incident action plan?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Are we in the correct strategy, maybe looking for other water supply component pieces.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: So Engine 5 did a great job reporting back through a status change that, um, they've, they've addressed the 360 and what was going on.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: So, uh, from that point, uh, other companies started to arrive.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So truck 10 gets there.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: They give them a assignment for a roof report.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Uh, and and and, their system like a lot of them, uh, all in for a roof report.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: So everybody on that truck is going to be committed to the roof report.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: We're not, they're not splitting the crew, they're not doing something different.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Uh, just like when we hear some of these other fire departments say, uh, if they divide companies, or or what is the focus they're going to do, you know, with their personnel.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: So that terminology is like okay, that, that, that is that entire company, everybody on that truck, that's what I want.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, that that, that is that entire company, everybody on that truck, that's what I want, that's what I want you to do.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: So, uh, that that was, that was really good.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Uh, at one point they come back and they, they talk about broken glass on the Charlie side of the building.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: So if you, when we looked up this event, this was actually ended up being uh, it looked like somebody probably had tried to burglarize the place and set it on fire.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: So, uh, that broken glass I'm thinking wasn't from the fire, it was probably maybe where they made entry into this building, uh, and then set it on fire.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So the if you look up Charlie's in Vancouver, there's a whole article on on on this fire.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: There's a whole article on this fire.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So from that point they're getting a roof report, they're getting an attack position set up.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Engine five gets assigned to get the correct fire flow.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: So then command had really filled out the tactical objective pieces at that point in the key positions based on the incident action plan that they started from the very get-go.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: So then we're to the point of getting that tactical reserve in place.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: So they got engine eight assigned tactical reserve on deck.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: The dispatch comes back on the channel and gives them that 10-minute timer.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: So you've been here for 10 minutes.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So really, when we talk about it, they'd done quite a bit of stuff in the first 10 minutes, again knowing the sprinkler system was flowing.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Conditions weren't changing, it wasn't getting worse, the smoke was contained inside the building.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: They were getting the roof report.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: The company on the roof comes back and says we have smoke from a kitchen vent, so coming from the hood, okay, well, that's going to be a normal thing, there's nothing blocking it from coming out of that space.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And if the fire was there, you know when we talk about it, you know the sprinkler system's going off, so it's moving around smoke.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: They didn't say turbulent black smoke.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: They didn't say you know none of that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: We heard on, I think, two different occasions, them identifying, continuing to evaluate using thermal imaging cameras.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: So what does that look like on the size of both?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Outside the building, I say, and on the Charlie side, I think I have a heat signature.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And then somebody else saying you know, we've checked and we have it knocked down and we're ready for the sprinkler to be shut down.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: So you know, command built out that on-deck position.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Further, they're at a commercial building fire maintaining span of control.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: New companies had been working for a little bit, wanted to make sure you had people in place to replace them.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And then you hear you heard Battalion 1, you know, arrive on the scene with Training 3.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: So Training 3, probably you know some kind of a daytime or home response chief or maybe a dual role safety officer that's on duty and just as we talk about in our system all the time, fill out those positions.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: However you fill them out, you know most organizations don't have somebody driving their battalion around.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Well, in this case the strategic IC assigned training three to be the embedded safety support officer for battalion one.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So that went really well.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: So you got two people in that position managing you know those two job responsibilities accountability, safety, air management, making sure you're in the correct strategy, managing an action plan, driving down radio traffic, helping us with really breaking down span of control.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: So the IC here probably could have managed this all the way out until he couldn't right, until something happened, until it got you know sideways.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: So at one point he had five, maybe six companies working directly for him.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: A couple of them were outside on deck, but we're going to run this out a little bit further and they assigned the division boss with the embedded safety piece.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So that went really well.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: They came back battalion one you're going to have, you're going to be alpha and you're going to have gives them the rundown of the units that are working there so that they know when they get there who am I accountable for, who's working directly for me in this geographic area.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: So I mean, john, this thing this was, this was another home run example of using the system and following best practice, right, I mean they didn't pull up in flames, you know, shooting out some windows and we're going to stretch some lines and try to get a handle on this thing right now.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: They pulled up in a sprinkler system, had been flowing for five, seven, ten minutes maybe before they even arrived to the incident, and that's comparable to we were flowing a hand line for that long.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: And we know if we're inside of a building flowing a hand line for that long usually and we're not making good progress, the outcome is not going to be good.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: And when we truly understand how sprinkler systems operate and how quick they begin to flow, especially with new buildings and the new sprinkler technology.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: You know we got to see that in Minnesota a few times and it's like you know it was funny People bet and it's going to take three minutes for the sprinkler head to go off.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And they're sitting there holding the conversation and 27 seconds later, sprinkler heads going off because, you know, a garbage can was on fire underneath of a desk.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: So we're not going to see huge fires, no different than what we see.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, it seems every day now and I know maybe it's not every day, but target on fire.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Well, here's a video from somebody posted on Instagram of it and it looks like, wow, that's quite a fire.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: But as soon as I mean, it's like maybe two minutes and the sprinkler system's going off and then the next thing, you know, there's no fire spread right.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: So the sprinkler system is doing the fire control piece and if it's not, there's something wrong or there's the wrong system in there and we're probably not going to get ahead of it then anyway.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: So the sprinkler system, in this case designed to contain the fire there and then pre-wet everything around where the fire is to keep it from growing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And again, that's a critical factor thing that we have to consider when we go to these buildings, and that company also did a fantastic job identifying that right from the get-go.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: We have sprinklers flowing here, which just puts everybody else too, the strategic guys seeing every company, into that mindset of we're not pulling up on a house that doesn't have sprinklers.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: We're not pulling up on a strip mall that doesn't have sprinklers.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: We're pulling up on a commercial building that's got sprinklers.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: There is a fire in it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: The sprinkler's going off.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: They didn't describe, you know, crazy smoke coming out anywhere.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: The fire was contained into a space.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: So it goes back to again everybody being in the same system, training together and reinforcing that behavior.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: So this is a good one.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: If you're doing a tailboard or an after action to talk about, hey, engine six, great job, that's exactly what we're looking for.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: The roof report hey, great job, describing exactly where the smoke is coming from, because that makes a difference.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: The strategic IC hey, nice job, assigning the division boss and giving them a rundown of where they're going to work.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: So a lot of things to reinforce here.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure, just like any incident, there's lessons to be learned that we could, that could be done different, uh.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So the next thing that I had to hit on as far as this audio uh, engine three keys up and we hear it on the on the audio, because I think they were, they were running it side by side.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Uh, engine threes and level, because I think they were running it side by side.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Engine 3 is in level 2 staging and we're on OPS 53, which was the channel that was assigned by dispatch when the first due company officer that was the initial arriving IC asked for a second alarm on another channel.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: So it's another example of the system working right.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Engine 3 didn't key up.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, we're here, I'm in level 2 staging giving a big dissertation.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Engine 3's there.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: They're the first ones there.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: They know what their job is.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: They're to manage level two staging.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: They'll call them on a different channel.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: It's not going to interfere with anything going on in the hazard zone.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: So another great use of the system and clearly they practice the system.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Truck 10, I think, a great use of priority traffic.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: There.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: They're on the roof.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: They smell propane.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Well, something that's a trigger right, like something's going on here.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Did it have something to do with, you know, the cooking?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Was this building supplied by natural gas?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Was it supplied by propane?
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: You know, they know that.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: But that triggered the strategic IC to say, okay, we'll get off the roof then.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: And then the next transmission was get the energy company coming out here.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And then you know we stopped it and it wrapped up with engine six.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: We have fire control and basically they verified fire control is what they did.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: There really wasn't even a mop up piece of flowing much water.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: They verified fire control.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: We're ready to shut the sprinkler systems down, start ventilation and then we're ready to go and we need to recycle.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Well, truck 10 was still in there with them and had gotten assigned later to them.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: So truck 10 is still inside the building.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: We don't need to send more people in there to do whatever somebody may want to do.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: So command made kind of the last assignment and last transmission of.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Well then we'll start positive pressure ventilation from the alpha side and push it through the Charlie side, and we stopped it there.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: So start to finish.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: A plus for Vancouver Fire Department and I think, a great example for organizations all across the country to use of this is what it sounds like when it goes right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: And this fire at Charlie's again isn't a house fire, it's not a fire on the eighth floor of the Drury Inn.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: It's not a fire on the third floor of an apartment building.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: It's not a fire that started on the balcony.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: But what it is is an example of use of the eight functions of command, using the strategic decision-making model, which starts with evaluation of the critical fire ground factors.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: So what is the problem?
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: What's standing in the way of us solving the problem and then marching through the rest of the process?
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, john, great job on this with them.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was really good.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: A couple of things that I picked up on which I think is just a tip or a trick Engine 6 established the level two staging area at station six, since it was just down the street from this bar and grill.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And I know there's been two times in my career I've been sent to a fire station for level two staging and that is a great location for level two staging because you've got restroom facilities, you can get coffee.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: It's just a better, more comfortable place.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So recognizing hey, the firehouse is a good location for this level two staging area, I thought was awesome.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: The other thing is is the IC actually stated at one point hey, we're going to slow this down, we're going conservative on this, this is not, you know, just to reiterate with the crews that it's sprinkler controlled, let's take our time, let's get everything set up and get it set up right before we make entry and start our fire attack.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So just the IC getting on and slowing it down, I think really helped.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Probably everybody know what that incident action plan was.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Helped.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Probably everybody know what that incident action plan was.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And then the transition to the Alpha.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You know he did assign Battalion 1 and the training officer to the Alpha side as both the division boss and embedded safety officer.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Then at one point the interior crews were calling command, so they quickly reverted that back to Alpha which you've got to do, you know, because sometimes those divisions get established while crews are working.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So they did that very seamlessly and got it in play.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: One last thing, too, is the fire department connection location, and we go to these buildings that have either been added on to retrofitted over the years, and these fire department connection locations either change or they're augmented with different locations throughout the building.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And they wanted to make sure, by doing a couple of 360s, that they were tying into the correct FDC.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So he had them check the building twice to make sure that the FDC that was actually in the yard by the hydrant was the correct one.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, those fire codes are always changing.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It seems like we're changing locations, the FDCs.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: It's something we have to be heads up on, especially if we just adopted a new fire code in our area.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: You know what's that going to look like in the future.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: We had an incident last night that I was on where we had a post indicator valve that was tampered with.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of places that aren't even putting in post indicator valves anymore.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: So just knowing what's going on with your local code, how those systems work, what it takes to either energize them, keep them supplied or shut them down, is very important.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: So they made sure they were tying into the right place.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: This was all before the second 10-minute notification.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So all that radio traffic, you know, it seemed like there was a lot that happened in that first 10 minutes to get the incident set up for success, and then that second 10 minutes just flew by, once they were doing fire suppression and confirmed that they had fire control.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: So this was all in the first 20 minutes of the incident.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: If we let the radio traffic play out, pretty soon Alpha and Command start conferring whether or not they can start releasing companies from level two staging, and the IC says, hey, we're just going to hold on to them for just a bit longer.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I want to get this place ventilated a little better before we start releasing companies from level two, and then the incident wraps up.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: So really nice job.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Vancouver, washington.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they did a fantastic job.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: So, john, you talked a little bit about the code and all of that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: So if you haven't seen Shane Ray deliver fires and sprinkler buildings, you know the two-day workshop.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: We have ample opportunities coming up for that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: There's a class in Phoenix in September.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: That's got plenty of open seats.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: We're going to offer it five more times in five different locations in 2025.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Uh, but uh, everywhere we've been, when people leave, it's like the light bulb comes on, like there's more to this whole system thing than than we oftentimes recognize.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And, um, we were just at my fire department.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: We were just on an incident of mutual aid two days ago, three days ago, uh, pulled up, commercial building had been modified.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: There's two fdcs right next to each other and, uh, this isn't a blame thing, but the code, I do believe, requires that or allows that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: The fire department say you put the address or what does this supply on the fire department connection?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: And these were both yard fire department connections that were a couple hundred feet away from the building, which we could give or take with that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you hear Shane talk about it, that's not a good idea either, but you know that's what the code is allowing, but again, the fire department's like well, which one of these two supplies this area where the sprinkler's activated in this industrial complex and really nobody could figure it out, including the occupant.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So on the front end, there's a lot of things that we can do on the front end of this when it comes to, I think, prevention.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: That will help us later along with you know whether you use an active 911 or some other kind of pre-plan thing.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: You know putting on there where's the fire department connection at for this building.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: So, pre-planning, you know that space of where is the fire department connection If it has a fire pump, where is the fire pump If we're going to a sprinkler building in Drury Inn, where are all of the valves so we can isolate this thing on fire floors?
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So, just a better understanding of sprinkler systems, because more and more buildings the number's going up every single day of buildings that have sprinkler systems in them all across the country, and thank God for that because I think that's one of the big steps that's going to help us maintain and hopefully lower the number of, you know, civilian casualties that we have across the country because, as the fire administrator and FSRI say, the time is getting shorter and shorter for us to be able to get outside of these occupancy spaces because of what's burning.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: So just a little side note on fires and sprinkler building.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: So we've got some more things that we're going to be talking about and doing and pushing out on on on this, uh, on our podcast about, uh, protected buildings and how does that differ and, uh, what does it really mean for for us and what's the best practice?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Uh, and then, john, if we can, maybe we can, um, maybe we can push out that, uh, maybe we can push out our big box, tactical priority pieces of make that available to everybody, even though it's already available.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: We have a big of those, all of those components and pieces, because it's different than responding to a building that doesn't have sprinklers on it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put that in the show notes.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: And the other thing we've just updated our command worksheets that are now available in the download center for the blue card users and I'll connect those in the show notes as well.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But it's a checklist for a fire in a big box.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: So it helps you slow down, helps you get the resources lined up.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: You know two companies making entry, one company on deck pumping, the FDC getting a roof and tilt wall report, et cetera, et cetera.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: And it's just a good reminder, because 80 to 90% of what we go to residential fires.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So when we pull up at that big box fire, that sprinkler controlled fire, it gives us the opportunity to do what this IC did in Vancouver Take the deep breath, slow down, tell everybody else, hey, we're going to slow this down too, and then go through our checklist.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: So I'll put those in the show notes as well.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: All right, josh, it's time for a timeless tactical truth, timeless tactical truth from Alan Brunicini the fire determines the strategy, not the IC.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: The IC identifies the strategy.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Josh, what's that mean to you?
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we I mean we just we can identify strategy.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Oftentimes, like in our mind, like if we're pulling up and we see something that's like, yeah, we're in the wrong strategy.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: As we talk about and we've talked about so many times we're in offensive positions during defensive conditions.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: You know, as an, as a strategic IC or a company officer coming in, I could say something about that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Or as a strategic IC, I could just change it right now without even command transfer, right, like this is going to have the biggest impact on this event.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I need to get the companies out of there right now.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: They're not seeing what I'm seeing.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: So, but that happens because and what this timeless tactical truth means is what impact is the fire having on the building?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, that's the critical factor.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: So how much fire involvement is there?
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: What kind of building is this in?
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: And then what kind of resources do I have to solve the problem?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, all those things have to go together and that goes back to the strategic decision-making model, and the strategic decision making model again starts with the evaluation of critical fire ground factors.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: So what are the fire ground factors?
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: So it's another slide that we have.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: We pull up and we have standard conditions.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Well, standard conditions are critical fire, ground factors.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: We take some sort of a standard action based on that offensive or defensive.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: We deploy an incident action plan for some sort of a standard outcome.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: So we don't get to decide what's going on when we get there.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: We have to take action based off of what we see when we get there.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: So, again, just saying, we evaluate those critical factors, line it up with what's getting in the way of solving the problem and working through those critical factors and do I have the resources to really do something about this?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: And then we make a decision.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Is it offensive or defensive?
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Are we going inside or can I?
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Am I in a position where what's lost is lost?
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: So it's going through every one of those boxes and then coming back all the way full circle on that strategic decision-making model is really part of the whole determining strategy.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: All right, great podcast, josh.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being here today.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I love the audio from Vancouver.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: We want to thank them and, again, if anybody has audio you want us to review and share with everyone so we can all continue to learn from this.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Send it to Josh or myself and we'd love to review it and have it here on the VShifter podcast for all of our folks to get something from and learn by best practices.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: All right, till next time.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to B Shifter.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks, john We'll see you next time.