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From Philly to Platinum with Shawn Stockman · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing.
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  Speaker 2: This is Freddie Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 1: Today is gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: If you know, you know, you know, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean orange orange soda, you know, crazy girl than
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  Speaker 4: it's Jennifer Lopez.
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  Speaker 1: If you know, you know, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: You know you know.
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  Speaker 1: Sean talk man man.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, let me just start by saying I
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  Speaker 4: had the privilege of being on his podcast podcast that's
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  Speaker 4: a beautiful love letter to you know, to friendship, to artistry,
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  Speaker 4: to the beginnings and uh and tou theological theorelic, you know,
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  Speaker 4: philosophical conversations about you know, where life is, what it
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  Speaker 4: takes you, what do we have from the past we're
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  Speaker 4: going to It's like I had such a beautiful conversation with.
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  Speaker 1: You and I was like, bro, can we.
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  Speaker 2: Do that now on my show absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Over here and he has a beautiful segment where you know,
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  Speaker 4: he you know, he bustsu his guitar and he brings
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  Speaker 4: the song from your past. You say, you know, well,
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  Speaker 4: there was an episode of that seventies show that we're
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  Speaker 4: doing musical.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't wanna.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil it because it should. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you guys gotta go and watch the show. You got
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  Speaker 4: to check out that video. It's really but let me
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  Speaker 4: just say that we did a little homage to to
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  Speaker 4: Fast on that seventy show show, and so it was
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  Speaker 4: it was really really fun. But but Sean, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna just read a sentence because that's what we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna start.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you got, I'm Sean Patrick Stackaman.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, was born September twenty sixth of nineteen seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: That's in Philadelphia, Pencil. Really, what was it like to
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  Speaker 1: grow up in Philly?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What was why was that? What was that? What did
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  Speaker 1: that feel like to you?
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  Speaker 2: Philly's one of the greatest cities to grow up in?
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  Speaker 2: Was that? Because it's a blend? If I had to
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  Speaker 2: compare it just for conversations, purpose of people get it
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  Speaker 2: kind of a visual It's like a tiny New York,
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  Speaker 2: meaning there's all types of people there. There's black, white, Hispanic,
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  Speaker 2: so you have this blend of cultures. And not to
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  Speaker 2: mention it is the oldest city in the country, so
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  Speaker 2: it has the history behind it. You can go downtown
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  Speaker 2: and see all those historical monuments, the Liberty Bell and
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  Speaker 2: Miss Jefferson's house and where Betty Ross made the flag
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  Speaker 2: and all the other So it has that. But it
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  Speaker 2: has a deep musical culture. It's the home of the
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  Speaker 2: sound of Philadelphia. Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff who was
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  Speaker 2: responsible for the o Jays, and Patty LaBelle and and
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  Speaker 2: and Phillis Hymen and Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes
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  Speaker 2: and you know all this other stuff. It's the home
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  Speaker 2: of Jazzy jeff and Fresh Prince. Yes, it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: the roots and and so. Uh. Growing up back then
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  Speaker 2: was was beautiful. I grew up in the hood. My
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  Speaker 2: family was poor, but it didn't matter because I I
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  Speaker 2: felt like I grew up in in a enriched environment.
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  Speaker 2: I had my friends, I had my brothers and my
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  Speaker 2: sister a drama. I had my culture. Uh, being able
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  Speaker 2: to go out and play and ride bikes and skateboards
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  Speaker 2: and play tops on on the on the street and
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  Speaker 2: middle of the street, and play basketball with the milk crate.
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  Speaker 2: And I experienced all of that and and it was
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  Speaker 2: a great place to to to grow up.
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  Speaker 3: How are the arts, because I'm reading here that you
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  Speaker 3: started singing at eight years old, Like, how was the
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  Speaker 3: arts integrated within your community at that time?
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  Speaker 2: It was life. Arts was life like down the street
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  Speaker 2: or around the corner where I grew up in Myers,
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  Speaker 2: they would have block parties and break dancers and what
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  Speaker 2: we would call back in the day steppers, where they
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  Speaker 2: would have like these guys and normally these wing tip shoes,
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  Speaker 2: and they'd dress really nice and they would do these
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  Speaker 2: little fancy little steps and all that, like like it
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  Speaker 2: was you had rappers like Chicago. No, it was, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was a little different where it was like it
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  Speaker 2: would be like a group of guys and they would
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  Speaker 2: just have these pops like they were like, do these
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  Speaker 2: like really slick type of like steps and everything. And
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  Speaker 2: I would be sitting at home, yes, yes, yes, And
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  Speaker 2: and they would do it to music, but just rhythmically
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  Speaker 2: they were doing their own percussive type of thing and
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  Speaker 2: it was always so slick and cool, so like I
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  Speaker 2: had all of that, like just the music and the
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  Speaker 2: and the sounds and the dancing, and it was just
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  Speaker 2: growing up in the hood. A lot of people tend
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  Speaker 2: to talk about all the bad stuff and the negative
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  Speaker 2: things that go on in the ghetto, and yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: happens too, But for the most part, from what I've
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  Speaker 2: seen in my childhood growing up, you saw a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of that, but I saw more or just togetherness.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a family, I saw friends, I saw like
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  Speaker 2: like it was. It was a beautiful place, like I
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  Speaker 2: loved where I grew up and around other people that
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  Speaker 2: didn't have much, but it didn't matter. How were the
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  Speaker 2: arts in your public school system. Well, when there was
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  Speaker 2: actually an arts program in schools, it was rich. Like
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  Speaker 2: we had that too, Like I was always in the
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  Speaker 2: choirs and they had little any productions with little since
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  Speaker 2: you were eight, since I was eight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have a question is that when you realized,
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  Speaker 4: oh wow, I can hit a note, Like when when
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  Speaker 4: was that moment you were like I can sing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like I can. You know, I've always loved singing,
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  Speaker 2: and as far as you remember, as far as I
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  Speaker 2: can remember, I always enjoyed it and I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember my mother, God rest his soul, used to
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  Speaker 2: gave me as a gift as a kid. Gave me
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  Speaker 2: the Fisher Price microphone and tape recorder. Do you remember those?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know it, but and the mic actually worked,
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  Speaker 2: and I had like a cassette and I would like
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  Speaker 2: film myself singing commercials and play it back. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: Like the Jingles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was singing the Giant it was. It was
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  Speaker 2: for a toy called Giant lock Blocks. Like, that's one
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  Speaker 2: thing I remember. And I remember playing it over and
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  Speaker 2: over again, and my voice was and I would singing
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  Speaker 2: just like the commercial. And but the moment where I
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  Speaker 2: felt like, I guess this could be something was when
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  Speaker 2: I was actually driving home from acting school because I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be an actor. It's this school called Weast
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  Speaker 2: Barren that my mother put me in and I was
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  Speaker 2: getting pretty good at it, just learning the virtues of
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  Speaker 2: acting and all those things. And I was driving home
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  Speaker 2: one day and well she was driving home one day
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  Speaker 2: and I was in the pasture seat and the song
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  Speaker 2: on the Wings of Love by Jeffrey Osbourne came on,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm just singing it on the wings. I'm no,
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  Speaker 2: I've been above the clowns. The only way to fly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just singing, and my mother slams on the brakes.
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  Speaker 2: She looks at me and goes, how did you do that?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like do what and she's like you're singing. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: She's like you're singing.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning you were stopping the acting and.
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  Speaker 2: Then yeah, she said because she couldn't afford both. So
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  Speaker 2: it was one of those things where she was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: you're singing. So she took me out of We's barn,
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  Speaker 2: which I was very sad about, but she put me
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  Speaker 2: into the Philadelphia Boys Choir Wow, And at eight, I
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  Speaker 2: sang for them till I was like eleven. And that
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  Speaker 2: was like my first time experiencing being around like white
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  Speaker 2: people and other people. And it was great because that
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  Speaker 2: choir was run by doctor Hamilton. Took me overseas, like
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  Speaker 2: we sang over in London. We flew over to London,
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  Speaker 2: and I think about what my mother sacrificed, not just
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  Speaker 2: financially but emotionally. But she saw something in me that
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see in myself, Like she entrusted these people
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  Speaker 2: to put her eight nine year old child onto a
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  Speaker 2: plane to go to London and then we made our
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  Speaker 2: way back on the Queen Elizabeth, like the luxury Like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we were on that ship for a week. Like
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  Speaker 2: as a parent, now, to think about what my mother
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  Speaker 2: had to be going through in her head, like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, did I make a mistake, Like it's not
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  Speaker 2: like the phone, Yeah, there was no cell phones. There
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  Speaker 2: was no there.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to hear from her child for like a.
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  Speaker 2: Four wee yeah, you know, and even then, like I was,
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  Speaker 2: I was having the worst time because I missed my
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  Speaker 2: mom and young I was like, oh my god, you know,
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  Speaker 2: started crying and everything, like I was so far away
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  Speaker 2: from home. So but to see my mother's or to
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  Speaker 2: look back and to think about the sacrifice that my
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  Speaker 2: mother made knowing something that I didn't know. She saw
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  Speaker 2: it in me and she literally forced me to pursue it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad that she did.
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  Speaker 4: As you look back into that sacrifice, like now, as
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  Speaker 4: you know someone who's lived life and created the dream
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  Speaker 4: that she recognize that was in your heart, how does
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  Speaker 4: that make you feel when you think about your mom
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  Speaker 4: in those days, Like.
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  Speaker 2: It makes me realize how blessed that was to be
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  Speaker 2: her son, like to be very honest, like again, and
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  Speaker 2: I tried to implement that with my own children, just
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  Speaker 2: put them in places because raising kids nowadays a little different.
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  Speaker 2: We as parents have a different type of pressure for
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  Speaker 2: our kids with social media and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Did the kids have a little more a little more
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  Speaker 2: to go through from a social standpoint, it's a little tough.
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  Speaker 2: And when you have kids and teenagers and young men
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  Speaker 2: as children, you know, you see it, You see them
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  Speaker 2: go through it, and it's really hard. It's hard on them.
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  Speaker 2: So we our approtests to be different. But I try
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  Speaker 2: to implement, just to answer your question, the same philosophies
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  Speaker 2: that my mother and my father you know, practiced on me,
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  Speaker 2: which is to just put them in the environment. If
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  Speaker 2: you see certain things in them, just place them there
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  Speaker 2: and and don't coddle them too much, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: let them kind of figure it out a struggle, right,
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  Speaker 2: like all the anxiety, the anxiety that you deal with
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  Speaker 2: because you see the the pangs of growing up for them,
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  Speaker 2: and specifically my daughter, who goes through certain things. I
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  Speaker 2: am not gonna say too much, Brooklyn, so I want
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  Speaker 2: you to I want to embarrass her, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: she goes through things and just seeing her do it, it
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  Speaker 2: breaks my heart. But they gotta let them swim. And
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: and and we grew up in an era of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, your parents would leave you outside until like
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  Speaker 2: the street lights came in.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there was a time to go home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a trust there. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't exist anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a gen xer. So we were we were latch
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  Speaker 2: key kids basically, you know, we we were guys. We
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  Speaker 2: were kids that'll come home, get into the the house,
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  Speaker 2: do our own homework. In some cases, cook our own food,
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  Speaker 2: make our own sandwiches and stuff because mom is at
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  Speaker 2: work and we won't see mom until eight o'clock at
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  Speaker 2: night or something like that. So you know, with that,
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  Speaker 2: we had to take care of ourselves. And even when
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  Speaker 2: our parents were there there, their philosophy was tough enough.
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  Speaker 2: You have to you know, figure this out, yeah, figure
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  Speaker 2: it out. So we had to learn how to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So you're in Europe, yeah, and you're like, okay, eight
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  Speaker 1: years old. Now we're got to sing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And we sang at the church where
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  Speaker 2: Princess Diana and Charles got married, like just like a
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: few places where that we went and a couple of
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  Speaker 2: performances that we had. And yeah, again I look at
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  Speaker 2: that and I go, wow, I traveled at eight. I
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  Speaker 2: was in London at eight, So like, yeah, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a bug out. Like when I think about it, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I would never take my back, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But but again, the world was a
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  Speaker 2: little different too.
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  Speaker 3: And what was that you know you said something interesting earlier,
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  Speaker 3: you said that when you first started singing, it was
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  Speaker 3: the first time that you were around other cultures other
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  Speaker 3: than your culture.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I had a very similar experience that I started in
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  Speaker 3: the arts really early on, and same for me. I
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  Speaker 3: got into the arts and it was the first time
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  Speaker 3: I was around other cultures.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So not only did that happen to you at eight
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  Speaker 3: when you started singing in this choir, but what was
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  Speaker 3: that like then going to London and being in another
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  Speaker 3: country because of singing. I mean that must have you
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  Speaker 3: bugged out just being in the choir itself in Philly.
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  Speaker 3: That must have been a real real bug out over
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  Speaker 3: in London.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I was such a kid. And
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  Speaker 2: again this is a testament and pray for my mother
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  Speaker 2: who allowed me to be a kid. So I looked
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  Speaker 2: at everything like a child would look at it. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't look at it with about race and colors and
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  Speaker 2: cultures and stuff like that. Per se. It was just
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  Speaker 2: more so wow cool. Yeah. So I took it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I took it all in that way, like I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the anxiety of having to deal with too much
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  Speaker 2: racial issues and stuff like that. I mean, I knew
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  Speaker 2: white people existed. I just never was around too many,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, unless they were my teacher to.
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  Speaker 4: Even understand, like the long standing history of the divide. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's also really worth noting that in
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  Speaker 4: our generation there was this like this suspended space where
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, it looked like it got fixed, but
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: then there'd be things in history that told you that
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  Speaker 4: we were going back on that first promise, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the idea that kind of our generation
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  Speaker 4: was able to to inspire our children, especially our kids
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  Speaker 4: of color, to say, you know, oh you you got
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  Speaker 4: a better situation. And then let's say our grandparents did, yes, right,
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  Speaker 4: because now we got a better situation than Look, we
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: decided we want to you want to be a singer?
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  Speaker 4: An actor and you we were both like, oh what
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  Speaker 4: about acting? And somehow we thought that was possible for
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: it for in their generation, our grandparents generation, that is
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  Speaker 4: not possible. You might sing in church, you might perform
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  Speaker 4: in the local theater, you know, but you're not like
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  Speaker 4: that's not for you, right, So it's like, what do
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  Speaker 4: we hand over our children? I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what environment are we giving them? That is going to
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  Speaker 4: be you know, more possible. But it's an interesting thing
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  Speaker 4: that that is the one This was the one generation
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  Speaker 4: where it was allowed to dream in a way. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you talk about you know, late seventies or early eighties and
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  Speaker 4: you think about how colorful music was, Like we got
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  Speaker 4: handed over like an image to mainstream that most people
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  Speaker 4: start typically didn't grow up with, you know. So it
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  Speaker 4: was a very magical place where things could be possible.
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  Speaker 4: And then you went on to be you know, not
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  Speaker 4: just you know, an extraordinary artist, but an icon that's
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  Speaker 4: going to live and music is going to be played,
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  Speaker 4: I mean far long.
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  Speaker 1: Then when we're gone.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's that's like the most beautiful thing to say,
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  Speaker 4: how much your artists is mortalized. Did you start out
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: also as a were you like a solo artist at first?
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  Speaker 1: Is that kind of how I was?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess yeah, technically, yeah, I mean just
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  Speaker 2: singing in choirs and stuff like that. I've never done
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  Speaker 2: any solo performances as a kid. It was always with
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: a group of people because I also used to poplock
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  Speaker 2: so you know a little breakdance crew and yeah, we kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of you know the way Freddy Freddie had with the
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  Speaker 1: cardboard box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had to.
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  Speaker 3: We would still get it get we would steal the
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  Speaker 3: tile from like local like stores.
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  Speaker 2: We would steal like a piece of it and bring
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  Speaker 2: it back and we would do our you know, break
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  Speaker 2: dance and all that stuff. So yeah, I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I started off, I guess you could say, and until
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  Speaker 2: uh high school where I met my guys. Uh did
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  Speaker 2: you go to an arts Yeah? I went to a
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  Speaker 2: Creative and Performing Arts South Philadelphia course major. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: was a vocal major and drama major and a course minor. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there you go. Yeah, so yeah, we I was. I
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  Speaker 2: was there and that's where I met the rest of
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  Speaker 2: my group, and that's how we got together because they
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: were from different parts of Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 4: What was that moment like when you're like you're hanging
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  Speaker 4: with the crew, you're in school, you're sharpening your tools,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: and you're like h boys to.
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  Speaker 1: Men about the name. But like the moment where you
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  Speaker 1: all decided, I think we were really strung together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, more like a synergy. Well that's that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a that's part of the story. But when I was
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: went to the school, I was there for a whole
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: year before any of the rest of the guys even
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: noticed me, because I was a geek, I was a nerd,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I was an introvert, and I hung around the other
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: degenerates in school. You know, the fat kids, the homosexuals,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the geeks, the people, the outcasts, right, So because I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: didn't care, like you know, they loved me and I
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: loved them back. So it was one of those things
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: where for a whole year I was in school in
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the same classes, the same choir classes is as Nate
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: and Mike and Mark, because we were at five at
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: one point and didn't even notice me until my sophomore year.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: My music teacher at the time, mister Donald Dumpson, gave
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: me a so to sing after like in between classes.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: So for some reason, again the theme Ladies and Gentlemen
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: of my story is people see things in me that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I don't see in myself. So he picked me out
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of the bunch of the kids and say, hey, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: want you to sing this solo. I said, okay, So
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: there was this bb and CC wining song.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Love said not, so, how did you feel in that
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: moment because I take tingcause you've been singing with everyone together. Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: and You're like, okay, here just drive yeah, everyone quiet.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of weird. So we would
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: practice it and everything, but I don't really think much
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of it. He's like, okay, you gave me a solo.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Don't know why, but whatever. So we're all in the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: choir in class and mister Dumpson says, Sean, go up.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I was like.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: On the spot.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, this, dude is not doing this to me.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: He's not doing this to He's not doing this all right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Like being in front of the class was beating out
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of my chest. So I was like, okay, So I
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: go up on stage. I sing the solo. It's funny
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: reaction because when I'm done again, no one knew I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: even existed in the choir. I finished, and the whole
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: choir was like this, I guess I sang it good.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that I could sing. So they were
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: all sitting like, who the fuck is this kid? You
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, you know that type of thing.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So right after that, I leave the class and people
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: giving me, you know, pats on the back and the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: whole thing. I was like, okay, all right. So I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: walk out and Nate meets me at the bottom of
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the steps. It's like, yo, dude. You know, Nate was
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the thug of the group. So he's like, hell, dude,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you know I got a group. You won't be in
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it no way. Yeah, man, you got recruited, rooted on
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the spot.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So so he's like, hey, we're gonna be in Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Nate recruited me and at the time it
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: was five of us, and we jelled pretty quickly, actually
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: not knowing each other collectively, and months after we uh,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: we're a group. Nate and I were on the phone
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: just talking and I had the radio plan and the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: new edition song called Boys to Men was playing. Grow
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Man can Be pain, right, So it's on and I said, yo,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that should be our name. He's like, what I said,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: boys to Men, It's like that just sounds like something
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: like it sounds like a concept. I don't know why,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: but it just, you know, it had just dawned on
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: me that should be our name. And Nate didn't like
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it at first. Of course, Nate doesn't like anything, so.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't he like, what was his thing about it?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: He just he just didn't get it at first. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: think it was what was the name before.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Undeclared it was?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: It was we were called Unique Attraction. Oh you go,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Huh yeah, you could see
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the boat ties know a lot of sequence.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The only issue with that name is this, like it's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: too literal.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doing the back in the day. Back in
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the day, like those types of names were the thing,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you know, you had to have, like a you know, yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you know that type of thing. So that was in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: vogue at that time. So we kind of went with
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that because there were other local groups that had similar monikers.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: But yes, to put it plainly, it was bad. But
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: uh boys, the men came up and he's like, well
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I would I said, I'll tell you what, Let's just
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: use the name and see if it sticks and if
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: we come up with something better or just change it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That's smart. That's smart.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: You give that a real shot and not laid on opinion.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: It's actually based on you know, popular demands.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, it's a cool name, and I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: thought and it worked out.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Did you see the difference immediately when you guys were performing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: From the name itself. I don't know. I don't know
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: if the name had anything to do with it, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I will I will tell you one particular story that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: changed everything for me. It was February fourteenth. Me and
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the guys call it the Magic Show because that's when
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: things changed completely. So we were doing a talent show
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: for our school, high school, and you know, we werehearsed
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and you know, we got all our steps together and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: we were about to see King standar rain By New
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Edition or whatever. So we went to this store called
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: two first or you get two for one because we
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: were poor, so we had to get like these little
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: tuxedo jackets. And there's a picture out there with the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: five of us, like out there, Yeah, yes, the five
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of us, and we're in these actual suits and this
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: was before the actual performance, and with these black slacks
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and these patent pleather shoes, and you know that hurt,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: but whatever, it didn't matter. And we're behind the curtain.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And again I was a nobody, right, but a couple
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of the guys in the group were pretty popular and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it was popular, you know whatever. And we're behind the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: curtain and the curtain opens and we're in our little
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: poses and you would have thought the Jackson's were on
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the stage.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: The girls were losing their minds, screaming like like we
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: were like already like recording artists. And I remember being
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: so nervous because we had like these this little routine
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that when we do a step, we got these little
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: crystals in our hand and we would kind of do that,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and I remember distinctly I was freaked out so much
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: my hand got loose. I was like I was starting
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to drop the crystal because I was like, what the fuck, Like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: so my hand I started.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: To get really oh wow, interesting.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like my body started to give out. Yeah, yes,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it was like that. And I remember like my hand
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: doing this and some of the crystals. I had to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: tighten it back up because I was like, what the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: hell is going on? So much so where the vice
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: principal had to get on stage and say, calm down,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: calm down, We're not going to do the show. It
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: was crazy. You would have really thought that we were
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: these this big act and it was weird. And again
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: let me let me say again, I was a nobody, right,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: No one knew who I was. The next day after
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that performance, I go to school, Hey Sean, Hey Sean,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Hey Sean, Hey Sean, what's up man? Sean, Sean, Hey
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the girls, Hey Sean. You know I was like, yeah, yeah, bro,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: what the hell just happened? I was the same dude.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I was a dude, the same guy that y'all seen
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: me around.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Ten minutes ago. I was that guy ten minutes after
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I was something.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I was something else. It was something else it was,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and it changed things in my head.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: It was like like, wow, why do you think that
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: specific performance changed things or people?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It gave you the confidence to be like we ye
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: go all the way now.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, the theme of this conversation is people saw
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: things in me that I didn't see in myself, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that's really what that was. Again, it was I think
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: he had.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Something to do with the fact that when you were
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: on your flow and in in effortless and by the way,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: like you know, at this point, you have no pressure
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: to become or be or do anything. You're flowing in
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: a way that's just like I'm doing what I can
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: do and what I love, and therefore you were free
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: for your artistry to take over in a way that
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: like if you had the pressures of being like, we're
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: doing this because we're gonna do this, and we're gonna
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: do that, and we do the aspirations of all those
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: things that you probably would have. I feel like maybe
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: that has something to do with white people noticed something
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't see in yourself in the sense that like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: sure you could have had that ambition to be a
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: real recording artist and all of that. But it feels
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: to me like when you're flowing in your art, you're
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: not thinking about anything for the exception of just telling
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the story. I mean that's it feels to me like
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: knowing all of it, being a fanatic of yours and
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: and the group. I look at that as like there
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: is an effortless emotional thing that happens when you locked
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: in and you go, I'm now here to tell you
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: this story.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna make you feel some things. I am
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: on it. That's right, right, So you're not performing the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: brand you're.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: You're doing you and finding that sweet spot is so
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: beautiful because not only do you get the best from yourself,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the onlookers do too. They get the best version of
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you and us. Being in the industry for so long,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: we can somewhat get jaded by UH doing our job.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it becomes it becomes what we do. And I've
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: for years going through those slumps. I always try to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: reach back and remind myself why I do what I do, Like, yes,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it's become an occupation and it is a job component
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to this. You know, I have to go out and
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: have to sing certain amount of minutes, and this is
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: that and the third and there are semantics mind it,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: but ultimately I do this because I love it, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: we have to sometimes remind ourselves tap back in to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: why we are who we are. Do you find that hard?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: The more successful you got, it can be you.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Have the pressure to be like now it's an enterprise.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: It can be. It can be. But I think I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: have the great advantage of being with a bunch of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: guys opposed to say a solo artist, Like I feel
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: bad for soloists because a lot of times the people
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: around you aren't really on your level mentally on what
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you have to, you know, go through to deal with that. Right,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: they're just you're workers. And a lot of times and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of cases, I'm sure you've seen, we've all
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: seen them. Those entourages can be a bunch of yes men, Oh,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you're fabulous, you're great, you're this, that and the third,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: even when you may not feel that way. The advantage
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I have with being in the group is, first I
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: tell you, motherfucker, you was flat. You know what I'm saying, Yo,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that was that was good idea? Yeah that's terrible. So
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you realize how much how important that is to have
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: somebody check in. And now you're back into checking in
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: your own body and saying, yeah, I guess that was
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: kind of bad. So you the anxiety lessons when you
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have an equal partner that's able to tell you, amen,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: either that's a great idea, that's great, because that's it's
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the opposite of that too. Sometimes you need to be told, yo,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that was a dope idea. You know what I'm saying,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Like all of those yeah becomes so I won't lie.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I have the advantage. I had the advantage for many
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: years of being around my group members because we were
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the checks and balances, you.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Could protect each other. You can keep honest you.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Know, artists not so much because it's just them.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Or you guys know each other so well, right, starting
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: so young together, like you just really can lean on
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: the fact, like you guys are beyond ego, right, Like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: there could be things that like you know, there'll be
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: friction over like a dressing room, or they could be
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: frictioning over like who got the suv?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Who did it?
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: And right like there's like really fundamental materialistic stuff like that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: But but if you're if ego doesn't exist, because the
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: familiarity of you guys as a family and as a
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: brotherhood's there.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: You know, all you guys are no longer friends, you're
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a family.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Right or even the complexities of fame, right yeah, right,
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: with fame comes a lot of complexities that that you
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: can't seek an average person and and and have a
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: conversation right about it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's part of what makes our friendship
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: pretty good, you know, because I can I can text
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you at two in the morning and go, man, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: finished the thing, man, and then we have.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: A conversation about.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Or when you call me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm grateful for that because there's not a
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: lot of people that I can do that with or
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: will understand what I'm saying, or just like when you
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: share stuff with me, So I would imagine that that
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: that's probably what it must have been like for you
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: to be in a group.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Right, the simple things tend to be overlooked because those
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: are the first things to go and part of being
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: in the industry, the first thing you align with are
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: people that you can trust, that you think you can trust.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That's the most important element of being in the business
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: that we're in because again, the theme of the story
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: of this conversation is people see things that you don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: see in yourself that could be a negative too. There
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: are a lot of people that see certain things that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: you don't see in yourself that they take advantage of. Yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you understand so so, or things.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: That you could adjust in order to open up to
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: your full potential. Right, there's things that like you're holding
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: yourself back back this way, yeah, right, right, or like
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: you know, if you just lean more on that, like
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're open to that type of flow,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: you know, there's a level of building that that can
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: really happen and piggybacking on the building side of things.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: How many years have you all been a group?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Thirty five?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Thirty five years?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yes? Right?
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: And and and when you look at thirty five years
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: of poetry and you think about what life has meant
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: to you, every album, you're in a different place of adulthood.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know which album? Do you think it's the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: one that's like, wow, this is me as an adult now?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Or you know? You know what I'm saying. The music
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: matures with you, right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I think hm hmm. Let me think about this for
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a second. I would say the most profound moment of
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: me being confident and who I am and embracing me
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: being as an adult and being a successful adult and
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: having those those elements in my life coming from where
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I came from. I would say the two album Boys
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to Men Too, that was right after Coolie High Harmony
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and which was our debut, and we just came off
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: of a very successful album run, a very successful tour,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and end of the road, Broke Records, and you know
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: all this other stuff. So now going back into the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: studio with this record is when I really, I think,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: came into my own. I wrote a lot of songs
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: on that record, more than the first one, because I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: felt like, Okay, this is what I do.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: You were flying in your strength at that point.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, I found a level of confidence in myself that
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I never had. So going into the studio it was
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: nothing to go in write a record, take control of
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a studio session, and that type of thing. And we're
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: going to do the right to be the first guy
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to put lyrics down for an idea of a song
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and really just putting, you know, just being asserting myself
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: into the into the situation. I think that. And then
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: after that going on our most successful tour and all
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of that stuff like it made us see things. Uh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: what made me see myself in a totally different way,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: still being the shy introvert, but being confident in my introversion.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You were leaning into what you who you were is
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: who I was. Yes, First of.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: All, you could tell them I appreciate and respect and
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: love this guy so much because I have like a
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: bazillion questions about what it feels like because I have
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I've had experiences, Freddie, you know what I'm talking about.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: In this part where you'll visit a country for the
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: first time, somebody on that ground has seen you before.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Somebody knows you there and you've never even been to
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the country. Yeah, what did it feel like when you
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: were pouring and you go to the country, the country
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: you've never been to, and you enter a venue and.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: It's passed language you don't speak the.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Language you don't speak, and you walk in You're like, what.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: What the hell is the internet?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Right?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Like, it's like what that that feels to be? Like
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: that is a moment for an artist that is beyond magic.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: It's beyond when you know that, like art has no passports, no,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: it does, has no boundaries, has no no no uh
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: you know, no borders to cross. There's no one at
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: the gate not letting you in. Like art can go
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: beyond any jurisdiction, any administration, you know, any political preference.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Like it just goes beyond like that, it's such a superpower.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Is what did it feel like to you when you
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: went to this And maybe you have an example of
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: what country was that you were like, I've never been
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: to this country. It was the first time, and you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: is there a memory that brings the comes to you?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean coincidentally it was an English speaking country,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: but still it was a different culture. And I remember
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: when years ago, around that two album release, we went
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to Australia for the first time and we would remember
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: when mall signings were like oh yeah, so we went
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: to the mall.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you more appearance is sobering.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It was. It was insane to the point where we
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: made national news, like it was so loud in that
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: mall with girls screaming, and like we couldn't even stay.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: They had the whiskers out because it was causing such
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: a problem in this particular mall that they had to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: carry us away and we couldn't do the signing or
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: performance or whatever we were gonna do.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Were you guys just like laughing where you're like what that?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was so loud. There's a
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: there's a frequency, and it was at this that same
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: it was the same way at the show that that night.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: There's a frequency sonically that you hit that the noise
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: sounds like a hiss hm. So it could become so
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: loud in a in a particular room that it goes, oh, sure,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: that's all you hear. And it was like that's that's
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: when it comes human white noise where it's like it's
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: so loud in in in the facility, and that's where
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: it was in the mall. And we did a show
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in Australia at the Arena at that time and it
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: was the same thing. As soon as we stepped out,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: it was like his the whole show, and I know
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I sounded like ship because because I was just gonna ask.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: You, oh, you gotta have those.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Ear Back then, there were no ear monitors. You just
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: had wedges.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Legs, ladies and gentlemen are the speakers that face
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the artists and that's where we get our sound from. Nowadays,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: we have these things called in ears where we can
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: wear them and it sounds a little bit better. But
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: back then we didn't have those, so that's all we had,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: and they were useless.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Because because that hissing sound is coming in the same
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: direction that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Speakers projected, it's a it's blended in and I swear,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I know I sound like trash.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: There are certain y a certain point in that where
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: you were like, Okay, here, I am a kid from Philly.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I'm in Australia on the other side of the world.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I'm at a concert at.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: A mall where where all I hear is a hiss.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, what was that moment like for you. You know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: this might make me sound a little pretentious, but we
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: never had you ever hear a band having those sob
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: stories of we were together ten years without any deals
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and you know, we finally made it. We were together
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: for six months and this when we got discovered by
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Mike Bivens, and then a year after that we got signed.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And then after that, like our first single went platinum,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and then like we were on a tour with Hammer
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: after that and all this other stuff. So I just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: felt like, this is what it's supposed to be.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You also got to think about I mean to kind
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of come.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I guess that's a great question. I think about the
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: fact that you enter a moment in pop cultural history
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: where that box could really feed you forh you right,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: and euphoria. There's not I don't think that kids reached
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: that level of before anymore for any musician. Like maybe
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: there is like one that there's maybe maybe Taylor Swift,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: you know, but that's a mature that's even that it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: a mature tour. You know, girls are singing along whatever.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: When you were touring, they can't even sing along because
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: they're too busy screaming, you know, and every time you
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: hit a note, it's like a thing. And so that
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: was a moment in generation where people had no phones
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: out right, they went taking pictures, they went recording, they
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: were receiving music at his purists, which is they're taking
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: me on a ride. And the music was scientifically built
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: to take you in this story, to then take you
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: to that bridge where it's this climatic resolution to the
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: story I'm telling you, and then and then soft landing
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: in you into what that song was meant was supposed
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: to mean for you or your interpretation what that song
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: connected to you with right yes, And so to me,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: it's like that was a moment where music was and
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: music is still one of the most you know, one
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: of the most beautiful superpowers of the planet. Fact that
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: we can tap into a universal frequency, we all can
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: dance to the same be together. It's magic. It's absolutely magic.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: But you think about that moment in history when you're
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: in Australia and you're experiencing this thing, and you're you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: a kid from Philly and you're in this you enter
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: a point where like if you were as undeniable as
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: the people that were noticing that you were not noticing yourself.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: You were destined to be at a proximity of opportunity,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: and it is a perfect st right with things like
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: this lined up. But then you cannot deny that you
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: also have thirty plus years of consistency. You know, although
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: up to the point we're coming out for a circle
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: sean to the fact that you have a residency now, yes,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: where people can come, you know, to Las Vegas and
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: experience that again and it's still holding up and you're
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: still killing and you're three years in and that.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we had a residency in the Mirage, which
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: is no more. Actually the Mirage has been raised and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: now it's going to become i think playing Hollywood a
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: hard rock or something like that. But we do have
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a short residency that we've been doing for the past
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: couple of years at the Cosmo. The it's really just
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: like four shows a weekend. I think they added two
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: more shows or whatever. But yeah, that was a great experience.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And what you what you realize is our careers are
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: a lot like our lives. Like I'm not the same
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: kid I was in high school, you know what I'm saying,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Like their pockets where you transition from being that kid
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to the young man, to the older man to the
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: mature man. So like in life, gently or not so
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: gently guides you there. And because of that, you have
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to adapt, and you have to take on the you
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: have to take on the landscape that's in front of
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you at that moment in time. And what I've noticed
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: with a lot of artists is that they get stuck.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Just like I said, you know, I thought success like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: this was just how it's supposed to be until it
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't anymore. I had to change now. I had to
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: not get so upset about the fact that, oh it's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: not nineteen ninety anymore, it's two thousand. Yeah, exactly right right,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Mother're like, it's not to change, So you had. I
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: had to change my perspective, my mind state, my understanding
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: of what the industry was and what life was and
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: what life is now. And for some it's really hard.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: And because it's really hard, a lot of times we
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: hear a lot of tragic ends because there are some
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: people that aren't able to transition, so they get stuck.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: And I won't lie, it's hard to really look in
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the mirror and say, man, you're not as popular as
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: you used to be. So how old were you when
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: you had your first hit? I was like eighteen, so
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you were like still in high school? Yeah, I mean,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: well I was out, I was out, I was I graduated.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Let me say nineteen, like nineteen when I was out.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: So I mean, being a world superstar at not eighteen,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: nineteen years old, when your brain hasn't fully developed yet,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: it must do something to your psyche at that age,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: and so that that may be why it's that much
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: harder to transition at this point.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean, and also the fact that you
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: just don't understand what that means because you never experienced it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: You never experienced a transition, so it's like, what does
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that mean? Like there were people that were telling us, hey,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: it's not always going to be like this, So there
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: were people that said this to us, But it's still
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: hits you like a ton of Yeah, it still hits
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you like a ton of bricks when it happens because
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: you're never prepared for it. No matter how to tell
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: how much.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: It was your youth going like what are you talking about?
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: It?
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It's not even you don't know what you're talking about.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: It was more or less like, Okay, I look out
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: for it when it happens, and then when it happened again,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: it's never how you want it. It just happens. And
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: then it's still bitter that when it does transition and
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: you start seeing people. The industry is very strange, and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it is with acting, but the
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: music industry has a very coarse way of being done
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It's very cold Turkey.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: It's very cold turkey, like you could be hot, hot, hot, and.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Then they're done.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: You're done. People just don't want to listen to your
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: music anymore. People moved on, moved on to this, moved
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: on to that, and they just kind of thwart you.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: And you're like, wait a minute, but I remember this,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: and they were like yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't care anymore.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: We've moved on. So you're sitting there and you're wondering, Okay, well,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do with this body? What am
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I supposed to do with myself? So those years of
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: dealing with that can take its toll. And I won't
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: say I had it hasn't with me, like just mentally
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: what it does and how you have to find your
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: way out of it because no one teaches you how.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: That's another thing about the music industry. The music industry
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: is one of those businesses where people say, hey, you're good,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: here's a contract, here's you sign it here, and then
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: now you got to deal with this bunch of money.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: You gotta go here, you gotta go. There's no school
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: for this ship. You're just thrown in and you're just
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: meant to deal with it however however you you you
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: can and hope.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: So you have a strong fight, family foundation.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Again, the trust thing, going back and again that that
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: was that was the great thing about me and my
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: guys is because when the chips were down and if
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: things didn't feel right, we had each other and we
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: were able to say or somebody ornate or want or
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: myself will say, yo, something about this ain't right, and
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the too the rest of us will go yeah, I agree.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: So we can all stand in solidary O cars yeah
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and say I don't like this opposed to a solo artist.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: And again, I think that's one of the reasons why
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: we get mixed opinions about who we were as people,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: because contrary to what people might think, we are nice guys,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: but there are certain times where we didn't have to
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: be where it wasn't we had to be something else.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And I've noticed that with a lot of people in
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: positions of power, when you don't comply to the system,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the friction then that when they also have the wherewithal
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: to go, hey they're assholes, spread the word oh yeah,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: and then does the stories start coming out, Yeah, they
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: were arrogant. So when you hear that, you instantly go, okay,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that's how we play it set up. Yeah, so we
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: then create a hedge around ourselves. So if I didn't
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: know you and you come up to me, hey, man,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: you know we got that yo, Man, who the fuck
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: are you? So I might come off like you know that?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: But it's my defense mechanism, right, because yeah, because there
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: have been so many people that violated those boundaries and
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: again taking things and usurping power over you and all
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: of those elements, people that things that people don't see.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: All they see is oh, Sean or this guy was
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: an asshole because he did this and he said that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and all this other stuff when you don't even know
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: half the story as to why. No context, but yeah,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: there's no context behind why I became the way I've
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: become like, again, I'm a totally different guy from when
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I was eighteen nineteen years so I've seen some shit
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: and I've experienced some shit and lived through some and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: lived through some stuff. So because of that, yeah, I
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: may not be so nice to some people if I
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: don't know you well.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Now you see life differently, right, and you see them
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: for what they are, right, Because when we're young, we're
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: trying to become what we know we are, and when
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: you meet people, you take a face value for the
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: most part. When you get older, you can see beyond
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: the face valu exactly, you know. And I think that's
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: an interesting thing that you bring up, which leads me
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: to this question.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: As a realization that what you are word and how
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: it all began is shifting.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: You've always been an entrepreneur, You've been an advocate for
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: a lot of different things too, Yeah, your advocacy with autism. Right,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: for the last twenty years, you've you know, you've been
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: able to find purpose in so many different places. You know,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: how when did you start kind of pivoting into these
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: things that were really important to you? Also, like in
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: entrepreneurship too, because I know you've started different businesses and
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: you're you know you stay active, You're not you know
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: you're not You're never just been waiting for the next album.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Well that's I think that goes with everybody. We're more
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: than who we think we are. And and for years
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to understand personally like why me, Like
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: why are all these great things happened to me? And
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: then I had a son that was diagnosed with autism
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: at too and that hit hard because now I have
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: the challenges with a child who I love with all
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: of my heart with a condition I never knew about
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: that I have to learn about and understand and not
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that just support the woman that I'm with and making
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: sure that she feels protected. I'm dealing with all this
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: and you start to wonder like, oh, this is why
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I'm famous. Interesting. I get it now. So it was
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: deeper than the songs and being popular and being in
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: a group and having people's scream in Australia. Now I
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: have the ability to actually change things or bring things,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: certain things to light, so I do my best to
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: use that the popularity, the fame, whatever to bring awareness
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: to something that that's bigger than me. It actually gave
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: my career purpose as to what it is I'm really
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: here to do, and the singing is just the pye
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: product of me hopefully. And it's hard. It's difficult because
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a lot of humble pie
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: you gotta eat to make people see things the way
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: that you see them and hopefully acquire some level of
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: empathy to want to assist and help. But again, I
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: believe this is why I have my son, to help
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: people like him to live and have a certain quality
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: of life that they deserve. So I have a lot
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: of plans. I have a lot of ideas and things
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: that I hope to bring the fruition before I'm out
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: of here. But you know, it's it's a autism has
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: become a very personal thing to me and and it
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: also made me look at the world different. It gave
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: me a little more empathy for people that are going
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: through things, not necessarily autism, it could be anything, but
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: just to take a beat and to pause and give
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: some people some time of letting them know I understand,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: even if you don't like. I think that's what's part
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: partly missing in this world, like our lack of wanting
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: to just take a moment and give people grace. You
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: know that that That's what my son has done for me.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: His name's Micah by the way, and he just turned
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: twenty three, not too long.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: What's that.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know he's changed things in my head.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: He made me really and just seeing him it keeps
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: me focused because he is the definition and maybe don't
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: meet him one day. He is the definition of purity. Yeah,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: he's pure, like one hundred percent pure. He doesn't care
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: about race. He doesn't care, he doesn't has no ability
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: to hate someone. He only knows love. That's it. He
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: loves his family, he loves his iPad, he loves his
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: eggs in the morning. And he's good.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: What a great reminder, right, the one.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Sense of life. He reminds me that that is what
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: life is about. All the things that we're doing, that
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: we do is and the truth is we do all
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: of these things so that we can have these conversations.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I enjoy talking to people like yourselves because I always
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: leave with learning something, always same, like, there's always something
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I can get out of it. A conversation like this
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that can help me become a better person.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: And Sean, you know what that what that comes from
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: and I love to hear your perspective on this for
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: it as we kind of wrap up. But you mentioned
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: something that led me to this thought, which is, you know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: how do you leverage your gift and how much father
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: is that gift supposed to be?
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Like how much Father is supposed to go?
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: And I think it's it's in these lessons, It's in
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: these moments when you go, oh, that's why this gift
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: is meant to be your license to go beyond your
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: expectation and all of us I've been put you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: I sometimes we talked about it.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Sometimes your family is either.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: You know, your worst influence at the beginning, and sometimes
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: your family is the best inspiration. You know, and I'm
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: talking about the same members of the family. There's like
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: half and half.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: Some people thought you do it, some people thought no way,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: you know anyway, but I think the job, Yes, get
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  Speaker 4: a job, because the truth is how many people really
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: make it?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: But the point I'm making and it is you're a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: quick reminder and I'm trying to kind of really get
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: to this moral of the story, which is everyone has
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: a gift that's either has been cultivated or has not.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: And when you harness that ability to see beyond yourself.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Whether somebody saw it for you or not, you get
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to beat your own expectations. And therefore this
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: magical moment of one, how much more can I do
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: with this?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: When that takes over is when you realize, oh, my
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: superpower is in amplifying the most important things about life
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: for you might be you know, getting back to the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: simplistic things of life and enjoying that every day, the eggs,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: the iPad, you know, and the beyond that, Like, oh,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: what I can do with the fact that if I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: put together a dinner, I can raise a little capital
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: with all my friends and just reinvest into the well
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: being and the sanity of all the families. Right and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: honestly I command you for that because we can go
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: our whole careers and understanding that our higher purpose with
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: the gift that we were given and the opportunity to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: touch these many lives around the world, also comes with
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: a responsibility to say do or leave something behind that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: makes that humanity better. Because with that kind of power
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: of amplifying or connection, you know, we all should.
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  Speaker 2: Do something with it.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: It's not about just you know, buying this and experiencing
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: the that and like and having the plaques on the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: wall is about what each plaque reminds you in the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: moment you left behind. And I think that you have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: lived your life for such purpose, and you have lived
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: your art to the fullest, you know. And the fact
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: that you not only has your car still looks like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: a Ferrari.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Man like, you're literally looking like.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: You're still ready for another thirty five years of life
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: and artistry. And it might be at a different pace,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: if we all can agree with that, yeah, a different pace.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: But it is just it's just such an honor to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: meet such a you know, such a gray man like you,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: who I know will be a friend and and beyond that,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: you know, to learn from someone who has done just
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: a global, extraordinary achievement. But at the end, you have
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: not lost the thing that connects you with every fan
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: you touch for all these years and all these three decades,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: which is the humanity. It's very obvious humanity is still
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: alive in you. And it's just such an honor. Man,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: It's just so beautiful to hear you talk about all
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: these things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I want to I want to share something
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  Speaker 3: with you before we before we sign off here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, before I left the house, my wife Elsie
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: was like.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to tell him the story?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, maybe I'll tell him the story.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been.
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  Speaker 3: I've been married thirty years and thank you, man, and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: i've been. I've been dating my wife since we were
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: in high school. And the moment we started dating, the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: moment I planted my first kiss on her and we
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: decided we're going to date, was to your song oh
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: and we and we had that your first album song
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: and uh, I think I'll make love to you.
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  Speaker 1: Your first album.
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  Speaker 2: Was the song I Just Lives.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: No, it wasn't song, but it was, but it was
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: the album that I had that I was like, I'm
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: gonna go to her house and play this album.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't a particular okay, so the story.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: So I put the album on and we were chilling
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: and we were I mean, I was like sixteen years old.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I was like a sophomore in high school. And it
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: was that that started my relationship with my wife.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: That's beautiful and we're starting together now and we got
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: two kids and thirty years later, so thank you.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: That's why we do what we do. Man, Yeah, it's
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: about connection. But the biggest misconception about our music, which
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: is kind of half right, is we sing for the ladies,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: which is true, but we also sing for the fellas. Yeah,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Like we tried to be the when you're at a
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: loss for words and you don't know what to say
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: or how to say it. We're the audio Hallmark card.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: You kind of literally just you could play it and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: it says it all and all you got to do.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Just sit on the couch and just do this, you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I just kind of get the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: arms out like this, and man like he.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Said, like what he said, That's what I was trying
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: to do my sophomore year.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, you also said.
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  Speaker 4: What you also tell the fellas is that, hey, fellas,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: it's okay to be romantic.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: You don't got to be the alpha. Yeah, we get it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: You got the car, you get it that you can
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: lift weights, like you know what I'm saying, Like, I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: got you. You're in alpha, but this is your romance
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: part of it. That's kind of keep your flame and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: relationship alive. And I think that's that was the ammunition.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, oh man, I don't want to get
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: too deep into it, cause I know you got to go.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: But I'll say this, it's it's uh. I see a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: lot of cosplaying of men mm hmm. Like they have
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: all the surface things just like you said, they lift weights,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: they got cars, that got money, and all those other things,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: but they really haven't really dealt with being a man
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: too much. So they hide themselves behind all of these
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: material things because that's what they were taught via social
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: media that that's what women like. Yes, guys, women like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: nice things, right, That's that's true, But that's not all
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: that they like.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: And that's the way. That's not all that they want.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: And that's not all that they want, and that's not
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: all that they need. Like we we have a disconnect
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: with male and female these these days, man and women
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: that in those cycles and in this ecosystem of relationships,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: like everybody meets each other with their fistsballed up, you know,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: everybody's defensive, and everybody has this laundry list of things
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: that she needs to do and all the things that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: he needs to do and all this other stuff, and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: it's like you lost it, you lost you. You have
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: all of this music, you have all of these stories.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: You have all of these examples of men and women,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: and however, you know, whatever your orientation is, but how
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: you deal with things and relationships and you base it
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: off of surface material items, you lost the message. You
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: completely lost it. Guys, y'all don't know what you're witnessing.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: You don't know truly what love entails. It takes time
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: because everybody wants their love affair and happily ever after now,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: and I want it now, like you know, I want
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: the Instagram photos now that all that bullshit like it's
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: a lie. Real relationships develop.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: And time, and it takes humility.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: It takes humility. Honest love, as Chris Rock said, is
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: a service industry. You have to be humble. You have
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: to you have to serve not just women, but men too.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: When you have that mentality of wanting to serve the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: person that you love, then the cortisol decreases, like everything
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: goes down, because that partner knows that he or she
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: has my back. I can depend on that person and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: you only develop that with that type of mentality humility,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: as you stated, and time. Good relationships has to go
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: through a period of all those ups and downs and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: mistakes and fuck ups and I shouldn't have said that,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: or I should all of those things, Like it just
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen like this, and we're in such a manic
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: state of self gratification and I want it now and
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I need it now and I want the money now
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: and I want to love now, and like it's it's insane. Yeah,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: it's really is insanity.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: It's box is checked, you know, not suppose.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: And there's this there's like endless mating dance, Like it's it's.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Not a it's it's beyond. It's beyond connection now.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: It's like it's it's it's just like you said, it's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: about to check the boxes for that Instagram frame, you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: that TikTok video and like, and that's become the exchange,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: the mutual contribution to each other's you know, vision boards,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know the best prescription to fix
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: that is, you know, your first and second album very
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: very important that we prescribe that to you see it
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: because I tell you that.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Take it from Fred.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, guys, don't sleep on coffee dates. Mm hmm,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: don't sleep on those. Don't listen. If you want to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: avoid a lifetime of pain and anguish, go get yourself
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: some coffee. Don't do the fancy dinner because that's not
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: what you look like. Sweetheart, does that? Yeah, sorry, that's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: not what you look like. That's not what you look like.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: The makeup, the hair down your ass, and the dress
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: and the thing that's pushing you. No. Ten in the morning,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: when you just slay your dragon and you put on
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: some yoga pants. You meet your future husband at a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Starbucks or some sort of barista place.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: You gotta talk simple, Can we talk? Can we talk?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Talk it out? Because that is the most one of
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: the most vulnerable moments in your life. When you just
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: wake up and your brain isn't alway already work, you
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: get the real motherfucker. Like you know what I'm saying,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Like you want to just you can take it to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: leave it. But if you want to do all the
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: dress up stuff and act like something that you're not
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna act like something he's not and all
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: this other stuff, go right ahead, have fun, but you're
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: not gonna get into the real person until you have
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: that coffee day.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Imagine how great it is to go on a coffee
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: dad and have a great like hour and a half
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: two hour conversation with somebody, and then you're like, I'm
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: gonna pick up for dinner tonight, cub blam.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you what.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna spend at least fifteen twenty minutes trying to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: pick what am I gonna wear it tonight?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Then then when they come looking like that, you're like.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, sit versatility, now you appreciate it.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Verse Yeah, it fellas. You get what I'm saying.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: They've got the aloe away.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm trying to put you on a little game.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Don't go Yeah, don't go
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: for the whole production yet that ain't real. Like, hey,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: I like you whatever.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Like you too.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Let's go on a date, Let's get some breakfast, Let's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: sit down. When the sun is out, where the light
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: is shining right on her face you can see everything,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: and on his face where you can see everything, see.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: The freckles, see those getting that man.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no filter, no filter, you get to see the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: real human. Like, we got to get back to being
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: humans again. We are becoming these plastic versions of ourselves
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: that we synthesize, and that society has felt like it's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: okay to be this way. No I'm gonna tell you no,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: if it's not authentic, if it's not who you really are,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: if you're not able to express yourselves the way you're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: really able to express yourselves, then you won't learn much
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: about yourself. Because guess what, ladies and guys, when we
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: really express ourselves and say who we are and someone
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: claps back and say, oh, that shit sucks, that's a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: good thing for you to sit and think about. Well,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's probably why I'm single, because there
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: are people that cater to me and just you know,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: coddle me because they want to either have sex with
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: me or have my money or whatever the case is,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: depending on the circumstances, and you never really get to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the real you. We just talked an hour about finding
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: our purpose in life, and you only find that by
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: going through trials, by going through things that really expose
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: your ability to fight.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: And you're gotta be honest with your patterns, and yeah,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: because your patterns are the ones that like killed your time. Yeah,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: you know, they're the ones who like, Okay, I have
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: this cycle. I have this pattern.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: The moment you.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: Allow yourself to break that cycle, to break that pattern,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: you discover new universes that actually are more you than
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: you expected from the image you.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Create of yourself.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: So we gotta be real with ourselves first before we
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: can be real with anybody else. And that's hard to do.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I understand looking in the mirror sucks, but it's it's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: for yourself. Well yeah, except for you, you hands some devil.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: But but but you know it's it's hard to do,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: but you have it has to be done. Go on
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: a coffee date.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Coffee dates. That's like a beautiful way. I wish.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: By the way, we're gonna have to make this to
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: two episodes because because I got next time.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, we gotta do it.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: We gotta do like we gotta look at all of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: our guests and we gotta you know, we gotta like
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: hand select this cigar round, like we got to have
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: a cigar around with another to.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: There's some big body betties and uh you can it
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: might be too early depending on when we shoot.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Well we'll have to be six you know what else.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: You know the suggestion I've had, I don't know. If
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: you look over there, he has a stage, he has
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: a piano, he has some congo congos.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Wo.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we get a little music going over there.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, hey, you know, bring a couple of friends, whatever, people,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: you know, make it a whole, make it festival.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: That should be our season finale. Make it guys.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: When I like that, I's coming back before we go.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I want to also want to bring awareness to something else.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: If if you all love this conversation, if you discover
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: how much Sean is like like you and and and aspired,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: you know, to see the teachers in the in the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: wisdom that he's brought to the table. You have an
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: amazing podcast that you know that I happen to be
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: a guest on. Uh it's called on that Note, And
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: you know you have a beautiful format. You're going to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: see him perform a uh, you know, meaningful song that
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: kind of brings everyone together. But most importantly, the conversations
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: are really special and I think you should get a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: lot of love for that, and thank you right now
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: you can you can find the podcast where you find
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: the podcast on yoututube.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I'm also on Apple Spotify, you can, you know, if
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: you want to hear just the audio and yeah, I'm
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: everywhere man like all DSPs and all that good stuff
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: that Yeah, so yes, thank you.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Also no, no, no worries, no worries, and uh, I'm
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: Wilmrim about Durama.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I'm Freddie Rodriguez and.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: This is what's our thorough Mago Shans Dogman and thank
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: you so much for listening until the next episode.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Pay