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Episode 19 | Monday Night Rewind | Kalamazoo Track Services | Camren McCrudden · Top Row Racing Media Monday Night Rewind

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  Good Monday evening to everyone I know.
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  It's a beautiful day here in Southwest Michigan and Northwest
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  Indiana. And we are back for our 19th
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  episode of the Monday Night Rewind presented by the National
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  Compact Touring series, Federated Auto Parts and ELA
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  Detailing. I'm Lewis with Top Row Racing
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  Media owner, content producer, pretty much everything Top Row.
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  And then also joining me here shortly is Buju, host of the
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  Buju Bull Rings that you have seen.
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  And a new episode is about to drop soon.
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  So Buju, it's a Monday 19th episode.
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  How you doing tonight? Pretty good little sleepy bad
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  night to sleep last night, but other than that pretty good.
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  I had AI had a short week weekend of racing.
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  I was only at the racetrack for about 4 1/2 hours total, which
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  is a very short week at the races for me, but still I'm I'm
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  ready for this weekend already so.
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  Yeah, I am coming off of three days of racing and my drive time
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  to Corgan Oil yesterday and back was longer than the race
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  program. They did features only.
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  They skipped the intermission, which it's a good thing they did
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  because if they didn't we would have definitely rained, you
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  know, into the last feature. So they did everything they
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  could. Kudos to them.
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  You know, Sunday shows are always tough anyways and but
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  they you know, they have that was their second of three
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  slugfest that they have. And so so, you know, car count
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  where wasn't where they wanted it to be.
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  But there is a huge modified show the night before in
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  Indiana. So you know, when you have 46 or
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  whatever it was modified down in one, you know, one track and
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  then have a modified show the day after.
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  Probably not going to get as many anyways.
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  But but still they did a you know, a good show there couple
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  first time winners, couple who have, you know, on a win streak.
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  So, but yeah, my drive time, once I got home, I'm like, I was
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  on the road more than I was at the track, but I don't mind that
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  either. Feature only programs were
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  sometimes my favorite for that reason, like get in, get out,
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  get it done, get it over with. And you know, then you still can
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  go live a little life. So and the weather was other
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  than the rain was pretty beautiful.
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  Weekend. That's what I told our group
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  chat when we left M40 on Saturday, I said.
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  That might have been one of the more perfect racetrack weather
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  days ever. Not a cloud in the sky.
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  It was 70 something with a nice breeze got in the shade.
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  It was like not even cooler. It was a perfect day at the
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  races. Oh, yeah.
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  And I and that's something that again, you know, I'm exhausted
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  from this weekend, but it's not because of the heat where last
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  week was like the heat. And it just it's like, OK, I'm
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  kind of, you know, I'm a this is the kind of weather that I go
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  for the 70s again, sitting outside.
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  It's so nice, but I know some, you know, sometimes me, you
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  know, thinking about the heat and and it's like, but we're not
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  in like fire suits or anything. You are sometimes but two, our
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  first two guests who we have other than Cameron a little bit
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  later, you know, when we think of being in fire suits and
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  everything else is we're going to be talking with Ron Crandall
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  and Joe Schaefer from the Kalamazoo Track Services.
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  So if you know anybody who's on a track service team wherever or
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  you've always been interested in what it takes to be on the
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  Kalamazoo Track Services or any track safety team anywhere,
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  definitely this is the conversation to come and join.
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  We'll be talking what you as drivers can also do to be ready.
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  I do have a rec that I'll be showing them to have the team
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  walk us through their protocols like they're what are they
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  assessing when they get onto the scene?
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  So we'll kind of do like, hey, here's an accident and walk us
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  through the steps that you take as a team and we'll go from
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  there. So they have the first hour.
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  They may not use the whole hour. I just I told Joe on Friday, I
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  said I just want to make sure they have the time, you know,
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  that they that we don't feel rushed on something.
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  So especially when we think about safety.
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  And then of course, Cameron Mccrudden will be joining us at
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  eight O 5. And don't forget to throttle up
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  with us this Thursday for another episode of the Thursday
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  night throttle as we preview the upcoming weekend, especially as
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  we get into the holiday shows. Lots of things going on,
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  fireworks all over the place, you name it.
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  Lots of stuff. Night of instruction seasons
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  and it's automatically applied. So other than that, I know it's
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  seven O 5 Buju. So if you're ready, I know Joe
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  and Ron are already on with us. We can dive right into the
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  conversation with track safety. Let's do it.
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  Don't forget, of course, again, to share this out, like it out
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  that it helps all of us. And again, I I don't I haven't
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  seen too many podcasts bring on like safety team members.
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  So I'm so appreciative of Joe and of course Ron joining
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  tonight. You know, they always let me
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  invade their space every Friday from time to time.
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  So I definitely have a deep respect for them and what they
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  do. And so let's go ahead and let's
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  bring on Ron and Joe from County to Track Services.
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  How are you guys doing tonight? Good.
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  How are you? Good.
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  Oh, that's right. It's going to change the layout
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  here. There we go.
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  I forgot. But but again, it's a Monday and
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  you guys, there are some weeks that you've had a super busy
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  week because what a lot of people may not know is that
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  you're also part of the 500 Strength tour and also part of
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  the reveal the hammer. So if you want to talk a little
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  bit about both of your backgrounds and and you know who
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  you are, how you got into track services and then we can go how
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  KTS has evolved to being a part of other people's or other
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  series traveling safety. So let's kind of start with who
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  you both are. OK.
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  Well, I'm Joe Schaefer. I started this about 20, four
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  years ago, 23 years ago. I got actually I was kind of
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  helping Craig McDonald do some things when he was back involved
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  with it and I did some, I helped him with some stuff around his
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  shop and he just kind of asked me if it was something I was
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  interested in. And I tried it a couple nights
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  and I really enjoyed it and that's how I got my start.
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  I got my start when I met my wife, her father, her dad
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  changed racing tires down in the pits and she knew Craig.
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  And so for a while I was changing tires in the pits, and
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  then when races started, I went up and jumped on the truck.
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  And that was in 98, so like 27 years ago, 2620, yeah, somewhere
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  there. Well, and I keep changing the
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  wrong layout, but I mean, that's where you guys have been.
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  You both are veterans of this team, right?
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  So you've really seen it evolve, you know, over the years, you
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  know, what is it taking to keep it at the level because you
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  know, some have already common and you don't one of the best in
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  the business. And it's, that's already been
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  written, right? I mean, that's, it's well
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  documented that Kalamazoo track services is one of the, the
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  standard bars when it comes to short track safety.
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  You, you've trained the South Bend crew, you guys have worked
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  with like new Paris's crew, you've worked with Lucas Oil,
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  you've worked all over. So, you know, in your guys's
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  years, one, what do you think has changed the most with track
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  safety? But two, how do you guys keep it
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  at such a high level where people are calling KTS to, you
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  know, come and help out? Wow.
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  Well, I guess I, I, to be honest, I don't look at it as
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  we're the best. I look at it as we just go out,
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  we work hard, we do a good job. We have certain parameters that
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  we have to meet as a team and that's what we are as a team.
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  What's not an I and me or thing? It's, it's a we thing and it's
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  just a lot of time together. A lot of the guys that are there
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  now have been there over 10/11/12 years.
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  So we've really been able to work together as a team and, and
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  train together. We trained with Terry Kaiser and
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  Jake Steele, who you would, you know, kind of briefly mentioned
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  Terry's with CRANSASASI believe it is and Jake is working with
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  the dirt modifieds out of Indianapolis.
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  So I mean we have both of those two that were around for a long
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  time also. So we it's, it's everybody
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  that's been there has been there a long time.
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  So it it helps the team grow together.
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  Well, and you can tell right, like I that that cohesiveness
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  that you all have on the track. It's like you get to a scene and
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  you just know what you need to do.
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  And and that's not, that doesn't just happen overnight, right?
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  So I mean, that's something that even as you brought in different
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  members from time to time, it's like everybody has a role.
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  So Joe, I know as the owner of KTS, if you want to talk a
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  little bit about the roles, even specifically for Kalamazoo, like
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  you know, each seat in that truck, you know what, what's
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  their titles and what are they responsible for whoever may be
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  filling those spots that night? Just depending on who's there,
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  the driver is usually what we call the incident commander or
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  the head of the team for the night being my passenger to the
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  immediate right is our EMS person.
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  We're all fire and EMS through the county in some way somehow.
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  And then first person off the back on the driver's side is
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  like #1 fire person but also EMS backup.
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  And then the first person off the back on the passenger side
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  is fire and traffic direction. There's a lot of other little
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  things that go on with that. I mean, everybody has to be
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  paying attention and know what's going on, but that's the basic 4
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  positions on the truck. And so you mentioned EMS, you
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  mentioned part of fire, part of, you know, like county, like I
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  know you're with Alamo Township or no, not Alamo.
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  Which one? Pavilion Township.
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  Pavilion. Yep.
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  And and so with that, you know, what kind of certifications does
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  it take to be on, you know, Kate CS because I know in the past
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  you've kind of mentioned and you just did now like with EMS and
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  fire. So what what kind of training do
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  you guys go through outside of the track to then be on this
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  team and then even things that you guys do as part of the team
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  for training certification? Well, we've all been through
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  fire Academy in the Kalamazoo County.
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  Well, I guess. Most of us.
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  Most, most of us have. There's a couple have been
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  outside the county that are PS OS with another county.
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  Our first responders is something that we're trained
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  from county wide. It's like a three, three month
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  course that's. Yeah, basic it's a year fire
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  Academy, then it's six months EMS for medical first response.
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  We do have a few that are EMTs. But in Kalamazoo County, and
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  I've tried to, to mention this to a lot of people, we're, even
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  though we're EMT or higher, some of us we can only perform to
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  what the county standard is. And that's a, you know, medical
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  first response response. So even though we're higher, we
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  still have, we can only perform to that level.
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  And I, it varies state to state, county to county, depending on,
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  you know, how their Med control sets add up.
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  Fire is the same throughout, you know, it's, it's how we train,
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  it's what we train for. And then outside of the track,
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  we train structurally. So it's all structural
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  firefighting and rescue that way.
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  When you guys have had some fires to put out at Kalamazoo,
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  not always on the track, a dumpster last year, you know,
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  caught on fire during one of the night of destructions that I, or
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  was it the year before. It was one of those where you
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  guys had to go to the back and put out a fire dumpster or
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  dumpster fire, dumpster fire on the track.
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  It was a little dumpster fire in the pits.
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  Well, that's actually started as a car fire on the track that,
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  yes, that they took it out back and just dumped it in the
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  dumpster and got the dumpster on fire, Yeah.
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  So it was a dumpster fire in a way.
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  But but with that, if you guys want to talk a little bit about,
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  you know, there was a track in the area that obviously made
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  some news with the huge fire in the past And, and you know, cars
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  on fire and different things. And a lot of times people may be
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  sitting in the stands, don't realize the different ways that
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  you might have to attack a fire or the different equipment you
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  might have to have or the different fuels that you're
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  dealing with. So you know, with that, like you
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  guys have had like we just had a fire at Corgan Oil yesterday and
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  you know, they got on it right away and it looked like, you
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  know, just foam everywhere. We had not at New Paris, but
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  they have had a fire in the past and then they got it put out
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  right away. But I know you guys have had
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  them at Kalamazoo even as recent as Super Shoe last year.
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  So what is, you know, what are the things that you guys use to
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  combat all these different risks that you know happen when it's
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  at a track, especially like a fire, and why your background
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  matters for that? Well, it's pretty much on the
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  track. Pretty much all we use is foam.
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  We've we've done enough small fires, trainings and stuff like
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  that with pan fires and stuff to prove why, you know, people like
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  purple Ki got nothing against it.
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  It's a it's a good agent. Same with water, but two liquids
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  push each other rather than put each other out.
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  Foam blankets. The fire takes away the heat
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  source so it and essentially puts it out with a blanket.
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  That's what we use. But it's also not just track
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  wise that you have to be paying attention to.
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  You have to know your track, know where your stands are AT
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  and know where your concessions are at.
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  You have to know the whole thing, not just the track.
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  And that's, you know, what we train on also.
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  Yeah, but the track is important.
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  That's where our drivers are at. That's that's our first concern.
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  But our second biggest concern is the people in the stands.
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  What's going on with them? Is it a medical emergency?
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  Is it fire? Where's the fire at?
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  You know, is it in a kitchen? Is it a bathroom?
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  Who knows? And that's where that training
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  comes in. We, you know, do a little
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  scenario type trainings with everybody and then, you know, we
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  talk about it a lot hoping that we never have to use it.
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  Oh well, and that's where again, you know, there's been some
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  situations that have happened even in the stands where you
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  guys are Johnny on the spot. I mean, you know, red flag comes
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  out or whatever and you know, you're right there because, you
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  know, there's, there's right risk everywhere, anywhere on a
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  track and track property. Again, even you leaps like a
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  dumpster fire that's probably not expected on your bingo board
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  on the night, you know, you know, but with, you know.
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  So Ron, you know, what's 1 of the biggest things that you
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  feel, you know from when you first started safety, you know,
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  over 2 decades ago to now? What's the biggest thing that
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  you think has changed in terms of what you guys do as track
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  safety? I don't think there's been
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  really a lot. These cars have definitely
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  gotten faster, more risk hitting the wall and breaking a fuel
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  line. There's more people in the
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  stands that you know, A lot of the newer people don't come to
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  the races. It's always the older ones that
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  are out there. So we do have some medical
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  emergencies. Oh yeah, the like I said, when
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  you guys are having to respond to the stands, everyone's
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  looking down. What are they doing now?
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  They're on the wrong side of the fence here.
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  Any head does not want me to forget by the way, to that you
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  guys are also Joe, you're the safety director for the family
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  fun mini wedges, which goes between Kalamazoo and Berlin.
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  So do you want to, I don't know how many, many, many wedge
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  programs have, you know, a director of safety, you know who
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  has like literally someone who's highly trained.
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  So how to, you know, what's something that you know that's a
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  whole different challenge for you?
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  So what do you find in the mini wedge world that you know makes
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  your presence? You know, where those parents
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  and inspectors know, hey, our kids are in good hands?
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  The biggest thing with the kids is it's always fun.
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  For one, you know, the kids are great.
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  They, they want to learn as much as everybody else does.
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  And for me it's, it's a new learning experience because they
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  go a lot faster than I do. So but the biggest thing in for
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  the kids, you know, you got to teach them helmets.
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  You know what's right, what's wrong?
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  You can only have certain ones. Then their belts, they you know,
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  making sure they know how to do their belts, that they're in
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  compliance with dates. And then knowing their car, you
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  know, where are your shut off switches that you have making
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  sure they, you know, you don't, you can't push it, but they do
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  have fuel shut offs where they can kind of reach over and turn
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  it. It's a quarter turn valve.
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  It's nothing, nothing hard, but you know, and then just teaching
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  them to be astute to what's going on around them, I guess is
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  how you the best way to put it, because kids are like
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  butterflies. They want to be everywhere at
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  the same time. And.
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  Sometimes it's hard to corral them in, but it's, it's been
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  interesting for me to learn, you know, how to work with kids in a
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  whole different dimension. Plus you want to bring these
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  kids up to in this in the safe aspect of, you know, they're
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  they're the next generation of these race race teams.
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  I mean, moving on from many wedges, they'll probably move on
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  to quarter midgets and then they'll be in this at the big
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  track, so. Well, that's where I was going
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  to say, you know, while we, I mean, we have drivers who are
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  watching, we have lots of different people who are
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  watching, fans who may not understand all the safety
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  aspects, right. There might be other tracks on
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  here who are listening in. Again, you know, one of the best
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  teams at in short track racing. You know, what are those safety
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  things, right, You're you're teaching and training the kids
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  now to be aware of that with the mini wedges so that as they move
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  up right, they're aware of these kind of things, including dates
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  on the belts and the and any fire suit stuff, safety things.
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  So what are some of those things that, you know, you try to teach
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  them to the big cars and the big stars, you know, on Fridays or
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  whether it's at reveal or with 500 tour, which is a whole
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  nother challenge. Like what do you want them to
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  know about safety and the things that they can do so that
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  hopefully they don't need you or if they need you, they're as
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  protected as possible? I guess the biggest thing with
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  the big cars is, you know, most of these guys have been doing it
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  a long time. There's very few of them that
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  have been say under five years. So a lot of these guys have been
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  around. They know, they know what the
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  standards are. They know they go to enough
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  trainings. They go to lane.
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  Most of them go to lane every year for the safety summit where
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  all of this is talked about in different increments in
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  different class type settings. And so with the big cars, it's,
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  it's not a a huge teaching issue for us.
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  It's just them knowing that we're there to help them if
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  something goes horrendously wrong.
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  Which hopefully never does, right?
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  I mean. That exactly.
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  You guys, I mean, you know, think of the training that came
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  in a few years ago where you guys literally save someone's
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  life. You know, they had, I think what
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  was it a heart attack during practice or whatever it was and
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  you guys had to be right on the spot and and basically saved
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  their life, right? I mean those are you hope to
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  never have to use it. Yeah.
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  No, that was a, that was an evening practice about 9:00.
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  It was in the fall if I remember correctly.
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  Gentleman parked his car, got out and fell over, had a heart
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  attack. We were called to a man down,
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  started CPR as soon as we got there because he was not
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  breathing. Called for resources around us
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  and we did CPR for I'm guessing a good 20 minutes on the
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  gentleman and did not have to shock him.
• 22:46
  Thank God and but by the end of the time when we loaded him in
• 22:50
  the ambulance, he was sitting up talking to us.
• 22:53
  He left in the ambulance talking and laughing.
• 22:56
  He thought it was funny. Wow.
• 23:00
  He said it was I I can't believe you saved me and I'm sitting
• 23:03
  here talking to. You, you know, yeah.
• 23:06
  It's one of those things if we hadn't have been there, you
• 23:10
  don't know who else is trained to do that so.
• 23:16
  So how do you guys find yourself then with Reveal the Hammer and
• 23:20
  500 Sprint Car Tour? Like, how did those
• 23:22
  conversations come about where, you know, I always tell people
• 23:29
  whatever you can share too, because obviously there may be
• 23:31
  some things that you can't share publicly, but, you know, things
• 23:34
  that you can, you know, how do you find yourselves doing, you
• 23:37
  know, doing those two series, which, you know, travel all over
• 23:40
  to all these different tracks? Yeah.
• 23:45
  So I'm going to I'm going to start this one off.
• 23:48
  But so since we've been at Kalamazoo Speedway for so long,
• 23:52
  we've kind of build a relationship with a lot of these
• 23:55
  drivers and that are driving in the reveal the hammer.
• 24:01
  We've been we've been to a lot of tracks just to go watch.
• 24:06
  And we know when these guys were racing at these tracks, we have
• 24:11
  watched things that we don't think it's very safe when we are
• 24:19
  on the track with. I mean, even at Kalamazoo, when
• 24:22
  cars are on the track, we are fully suited.
• 24:25
  We have all our safety gear on no matter what.
• 24:29
  We've been at places where, you know, they're just sitting
• 24:34
  around. They might be just hot laughing
• 24:38
  and people are just sitting around with not all their gear
• 24:40
  on and not ready for anything and something happens.
• 24:44
  We've watched a lot of things at many different tracks so we just
• 24:49
  want to be there for the drivers to make sure they're safe.
• 24:56
  And how well do you guys work then with those other teams when
• 24:59
  you're there, you know, and are there any teams who might come
• 25:02
  up to you after you guys being there?
• 25:04
  Because I mean, Joe, the new truck that you have, I guess
• 25:06
  it's not new. You've had that truck.
• 25:07
  But you know, obviously the Kalamazoo truck stays at
• 25:10
  Kalamazoo, right? But you have your own truck
• 25:12
  that's equipped with multiple thousands of dollars worth of
• 25:16
  stuff, right? So you know, do you have then
• 25:19
  you know, how well do you work with those other teams And then
• 25:21
  have any teams come up to you guys afterwards go, hey, what's
• 25:24
  that? Or hey, how do you get that?
• 25:26
  Like what's your experience as you travel around?
• 25:31
  Actually to to this point we have had really no issues.
• 25:37
  We go in with the aspect of we're here for with the Hammer
• 25:41
  series. If that's who we're with that
• 25:43
  night or the 500 sprints, if that's who we're with, we go.
• 25:48
  We try to find their their safety teams and introduce
• 25:52
  ourselves. As you know, we're here with
• 25:55
  them. We're not here to take the show.
• 25:58
  We're not here to do anything else.
• 26:00
  Their safety is what we're here for.
• 26:04
  If you want us to do something else, let us know.
• 26:07
  If you don't say so, we'll set idle somewhere at the, you know,
• 26:11
  wall. Whoever's on the track is not,
• 26:14
  you know, our worry or whatever. But we always make it abundantly
• 26:19
  clear we're not here to take your show away.
• 26:24
  And if we can help, let us know. We'll help any way we can.
• 26:29
  And usually, for the most part, I would say 99% of the time
• 26:34
  everybody's like, yeah, just, you know, do what you can to
• 26:37
  help us. And some places are like just
• 26:40
  run with us, come out with us. You know, even if it's we just
• 26:43
  block for their truck to keep their guys safe, as simple as
• 26:48
  that. We're all working together to do
• 26:52
  the same thing is keep drivers safe.
• 26:55
  And there should never be any, you know, they think they're
• 27:00
  better than everybody. It's not the way it is.
• 27:02
  We want to help. That's all it is.
• 27:05
  And, you know, we've, we've gotten pretty lucky with these
• 27:08
  two series. We've talked to them many times
• 27:12
  before anything ever really happened.
• 27:15
  And we just, I guess we got lucky.
• 27:19
  You know, they, they understand where we're coming from and what
• 27:22
  we're trying to do and, and they like what we do.
• 27:25
  So I guess that's the best way I can explain that.
• 27:32
  Now, Buju, you've kind of been quiet, so I don't, I don't you,
• 27:36
  you know, I don't want to stomp on you either.
• 27:37
  So definitely feel free. If you have a question, go ahead
• 27:40
  and, you know, ask. One thing I was just curious
• 27:43
  about maybe a little bit on the lighter side, when I'm, when I
• 27:46
  get to play announcer a little bit down here in Indiana, I
• 27:48
  always like to mention that safe crews down there in those hot
• 27:51
  suits and they're they're not sweeping the track for fun and
• 27:53
  they're trying to get the show along just like the rest of us.
• 27:56
  But I know those fans do get a little antsy sometimes.
• 27:58
  Has there been an instance where maybe there was a good Heckle
• 28:01
  out of the grandstands that you chuckled yourself about or or at
• 28:04
  a time the fans were getting particularly impatient while
• 28:07
  there was a lengthy clean up? Well, we have, since we've been
• 28:15
  at Kalamazoo quite a while, We do have some people that have
• 28:19
  been in the stands and they Heckle us every once in a while
• 28:23
  for out in front of them. So it's not unusual to have
• 28:26
  somebody do that at Kalamazoo, but at different tracks, No, we
• 28:30
  haven't had anybody that I know of.
• 28:32
  Sometimes don't even listen to them.
• 28:37
  I was going to say Ryan had a video one time where a fan right
• 28:41
  in front of him was saying something and he just said,
• 28:44
  dude, shut the hell up. And I said Ryan, I had to mute
• 28:49
  that. And he's like, wow, he would he
• 28:53
  and it's in fact, it's when Joel hit the wall.
• 28:55
  You know, Joel's in here and he hit the wall really hard in turn
• 28:58
  1 and he's out there chit chatting with the fans, smiling.
• 29:01
  And I was all get out while his car sitting there absolutely
• 29:04
  demolished. And you know, he's as happy as
• 29:07
  can be. You know, other drivers may not
• 29:09
  be as happy, but not Joel. Joel's happy.
• 29:11
  He's just in there talking to everybody.
• 29:12
  But fans at that time or, you know, they're waiting for a hook
• 29:16
  because there was the other tow truck was getting like another
• 29:19
  car and some of the other, there's one other truck that
• 29:22
  somewhere, you know, so you guys had to wait for the truck to
• 29:25
  come back and fans are going that you just hear.
• 29:27
  Ryan, shut the hell up. We're doing our job.
• 29:33
  Sounds like Ryan. Yeah.
• 29:35
  And like, yeah, I had to mute that, Ryan, because we don't
• 29:37
  need you to get in trouble. But obviously you guys are there
• 29:40
  to do a job. And and I know one thing that
• 29:43
  like Chris and Tracy have even said in new pairs, like we're
• 29:45
  going to do it right for the track conditions, you know, for
• 29:48
  a driver. So when you guys have like
• 29:50
  engines blow and you have all these things and you have to
• 29:53
  clean this up, you know, do you want to take people through the
• 29:56
  process of like what you're looking at, what you're watching
• 30:00
  for, how you know how you'll know when, OK, we've kind of
• 30:03
  done our job now let's let the tires, you know, let's the the
• 30:07
  drivers with their tires work it in.
• 30:08
  So, so that way maybe fans who are watching or even drivers who
• 30:11
  might be sitting there going, come on, let's go that like,
• 30:14
  what are you specifically looking for on the track when
• 30:17
  you're cleaning up or sweeping up?
• 30:22
  I guess the biggest thing is we have to find where it starts.
• 30:25
  We try to pay attention very closely to cars that are, I'll
• 30:29
  call it smoking. That's pretty much the base way
• 30:33
  to to do it. We try to get them off the track
• 30:37
  and get them looked at before this happens.
• 30:40
  Hopefully it doesn't always happen.
• 30:43
  And when they go, they go. There's not much you can do.
• 30:46
  We try to find the start point. We can find the start point.
• 30:50
  Usually that's the worst of it. Then it's just a trail.
• 30:55
  We're lucky enough to have a sweeper on the back of our
• 30:57
  truck. That's huge, saves a lot of hand
• 31:00
  work. And then where they end up, you
• 31:04
  know, we have to pay attention very closely to that because
• 31:08
  even though they have dropped oil or whatever they drop they,
• 31:12
  it's possible that that gets all over the engine.
• 31:14
  They could, they could have a small engine fire.
• 31:17
  So we're looking for two different things.
• 31:22
  And then it's just getting oil dried down on it as quick as we
• 31:26
  can as and the least amount possible that saves the fans
• 31:30
  from eating too much dust. And then it's just busting butt
• 31:38
  to get it done and get off the track so we can continue on.
• 31:42
  It's it's not really that fun to watch.
• 31:46
  It's not that fun to smell or or wear, but you know, it's part of
• 31:51
  the job and you know we have to do it.
• 31:56
  Well, and there's one way that you guys have been even hooking
• 31:58
  up some cars lately with a tow truck.
• 32:01
  You haven't done it too often, but a couple times and you're
• 32:05
  the only track so far or the only team that I've seen do it
• 32:07
  that way when you have the straps go through the cockpit
• 32:12
  and everything and wrap it around.
• 32:14
  I actually was trying to find which week it was because you
• 32:16
  did that a few weeks ago with the front wheel drive and other
• 32:18
  videos I have are all front wheel drive too.
• 32:20
  You haven't done that. You haven't gone too exotic with
• 32:23
  the street soccer late model yet doing that.
• 32:24
  But do you want to talk a little bit about that technique because
• 32:27
  it was I think 2024 when you guys use that technique for the
• 32:31
  first time or you're working on that technique, you know, you
• 32:35
  want to talk a little bit about why you might hook up a truck
• 32:38
  that or hook up a car that way where you just kind of almost
• 32:41
  like a grocery bag, you just lift it up, No.
• 32:46
  Well, a lot of a lot of times though when we do have
• 32:48
  accidents, we if there's multiple cars and stuff, we
• 32:53
  might have multiple ones that we have to hook.
• 32:55
  And if you need 2 wreckers because you got flats on the
• 32:58
  back and flats on the front, we just end up just hooking it with
• 33:03
  one and lifting it up like you said, a grocery bag.
• 33:07
  Yeah, I watched that for the first time and I went, what are
• 33:10
  they doing? And and you guys were still
• 33:12
  working on it 'cause like the rapid had to change one way how
• 33:16
  it went or the strap, I should say.
• 33:18
  But you're the only track or the only crew.
• 33:20
  I shouldn't say track. I mean it counts you is, I mean,
• 33:23
  that's the only track I've seen employ that.
• 33:24
  But obviously you guys are part of that where no, I've not seen
• 33:27
  anyone else do that yet. So that's where I'm like, I
• 33:29
  didn't, you know, where did, did you guys see that somewhere or
• 33:32
  you know, did you practice that? Thing that's part of our
• 33:35
  training. OK.
• 33:37
  Terry Kaiser, which you know, Terry, Yep, he works for
• 33:42
  McDonald's Towing and he's done that.
• 33:45
  He's done that for a long time. So we've actually done training
• 33:49
  like that for a long time. We just don't have to use it
• 33:52
  very often. So it, it's kind of interesting
• 33:56
  to watch sometimes when we we do that, like Ron said, you know,
• 34:01
  instead of double hooking a car, we can single hook, hook one,
• 34:05
  get it out of there and then grab another one with the second
• 34:07
  truck. Some instances like super shoe
• 34:12
  two years ago, we picked a car off a car and both axles were
• 34:16
  broke. So we just took it and you know,
• 34:21
  we got questioned on it, but it was like both axles are broke.
• 34:24
  He can't do anything. We've already got it up.
• 34:26
  Get it off the track and get the next car hooked and get it off
• 34:29
  the track. Sometimes it's just expediency.
• 34:33
  Yeah. And I think with the four
• 34:36
  cylinders, mainly because they're a lot lighter, it's a
• 34:38
  lot easier to do. We have way back in 9798, there
• 34:46
  was a late model that actually got wadded up on the front
• 34:50
  stretch and we actually picked it up with a single record also
• 34:55
  the same way. So I mean, it's been, it's been
• 35:00
  done. But yeah, we're probably, we
• 35:03
  have like 6 different size straps and stuff.
• 35:06
  We can do different things with getting a car now.
• 35:13
  You know, for fans who may not know that either, and again,
• 35:15
  having having a camera with you, you know, we've been able to,
• 35:20
  you know, when Ryan first started that tradition, we've
• 35:22
  been able to see different things like people have, you
• 35:25
  know, fans, drivers are like, I didn't know they did it that way
• 35:27
  or you know, with like toast traps or whatever.
• 35:29
  So you know what, you know, for fans who may not know, why would
• 35:33
  you use like a toast like the straps versus the hook?
• 35:36
  Because I, I do know that there's been some fans who have
• 35:38
  asked that in the past when I posted those videos of how come
• 35:41
  they're not using the hook on the tow truck.
• 35:43
  Why are they using straps? Straps actually grab on to the
• 35:48
  frames a lot better. The hooks, they can slide and
• 35:54
  they'll, they'll slip and stuff, especially when you're going
• 35:56
  like up, up the track or down the track.
• 35:58
  And so the straps actually hold a lot better and are safer to
• 36:04
  us. And then Tina came up with
• 36:08
  something. I'm going to show it here on the
• 36:10
  screen, although it kind of blocks you guys a little bit
• 36:12
  momentarily, she says. Maybe an offseason class for
• 36:15
  drivers and crews to kind of help us know signs of like heat
• 36:19
  strokes, proper fire extinguishing in the pit to help
• 36:21
  you guys until someone can get there.
• 36:24
  You know how to handle a severe cut until you can get to us.
• 36:27
  I feel like many would attend. Do you want to talk a little bit
• 36:30
  about the trainings that you guys have done in the past and
• 36:32
  things that I know you've talked about, you know, doing them
• 36:35
  again at some point, So if you want to talk a little bit about
• 36:38
  some things that you guys have done to bring awareness.
• 36:45
  This year was pretty much our shortened year for training.
• 36:48
  We were going to try and do some more by before fall, but it's so
• 36:52
  hard. Everybody has jobs, kids and
• 36:55
  there are 10 different ways. This year was a, like I said, a
• 37:01
  shortened class for everybody to just renew their SFI
• 37:07
  certifications. But the next class we do will be
• 37:10
  a full blown one that Terry and Jake do for us.
• 37:14
  And that's 8 hours a day in the classroom and then 8 hours out
• 37:18
  on the track doing different scenarios.
• 37:21
  But yeah, we at some point, if we got enough people that were
• 37:25
  interested in doing something like that, we could do a, a
• 37:29
  short, maybe 2/2 and 1/2 hour class on, on some of that stuff
• 37:34
  That would, it would help. You know, we try to, on the, on
• 37:41
  the fire aspect of that. We try to keep everybody away
• 37:44
  because most general personnel in the pits don't have fire
• 37:49
  suits on and we don't want somebody to get burned.
• 37:55
  And then that makes the the scenario or the scene worse than
• 37:59
  what it already is. We try to keep everybody out and
• 38:02
  away from it and just let us do our job.
• 38:06
  We all know drivers are going to help, crew members are going to
• 38:09
  help. You can't stop that sometimes,
• 38:12
  but we want to minimize the amount of people that get hurt.
• 38:18
  Well, that's something that we've seen, you know, in the
• 38:21
  past where you know, when you know someone's kid might be
• 38:24
  injured or whatever, or is in an accident, right?
• 38:27
  The instinct just to go help, right?
• 38:30
  That's the fight or flight. And so that's and it's happening
• 38:33
  at other tracks. It's not just that Kalam as you,
• 38:35
  but you see like the instinct of a wife or, you know, if it's a
• 38:39
  female driver or the husband or if it's someone's kid right to
• 38:41
  go, you know, does that sometimes make it challenging?
• 38:45
  You know, if you if people have access to where you guys are and
• 38:49
  they, you know, try coming around on the track or whatever,
• 38:52
  like how do you how do you manage that?
• 38:55
  You know, understanding, like I know you're concerned, but we,
• 38:59
  we got to do our job. You could be impacting our job.
• 39:02
  Like how do you, how do you handle that?
• 39:04
  You know, so you're still professional, but also like
• 39:07
  you're not our our priority right now.
• 39:16
  It's, it could be a challenge sometimes, but for the most
• 39:18
  part, the EMS, whoever's sitting in the EMS seat is in with the
• 39:24
  in with the patient. What does call them?
• 39:26
  The patient? And then everybody else tries to
• 39:30
  keep everybody away. You know, some cases we call
• 39:34
  Donnie, we call Andrew. Hey, you know, let's get the
• 39:38
  gates, get everybody, you know, so they can't get on the track.
• 39:42
  We try to keep parents off the track or crew members off the
• 39:46
  track. We don't need them being any
• 39:49
  more upset than what they are, being the driver or, you know,
• 39:53
  whatever. We just try to keep it simple
• 39:57
  and quiet for them to relax, try to tell us what happened, how
• 39:59
  they feel, what's going on. Unless it's more serious than
• 40:04
  that, then it's, you know, depending on what it is.
• 40:10
  But we try to keep it as simple as possible because yes, people
• 40:14
  are upset. People do get mad, you know, you
• 40:17
  don't let them in to see. It's sometimes it's a hard, hard
• 40:24
  way to do things I guess. Especially with a lot of the
• 40:27
  younger kids that are driving the four cylinders and even the
• 40:32
  Super Outlaw light models and stuff like that too, it's it's
• 40:37
  hard to keep parents back. Yeah, and that's where like it's
• 40:42
  understandable, right, Because you're that's where you almost
• 40:44
  have to go like OK, I know if maybe afterwards on the moment,
• 40:47
  like if I were in their shoes, like I understand, right.
• 40:49
  But it's also like, you know, if there's a doctor, if there's a
• 40:52
  nurse and they got to do something right, like got to let
• 40:55
  them do what they got to do. But I know that's, you know,
• 40:57
  that's a challenge, especially, you know, when when you have
• 41:01
  Open Access in a way, you know, a lot of these tracks, they can
• 41:04
  get through pith holes, they can get through spots.
• 41:07
  And, you know, you understand their concern, but just let us
• 41:11
  do. And that's where I thought about
• 41:13
  showing since we're getting close 20 minutes to the top of
• 41:16
  the hour, where I thought now might be a good time to show a
• 41:20
  clip. So this is from a few weeks ago,
• 41:23
  Logan, if you're watching, don't look.
• 41:25
  I know Sunny looks on here, but I to walk through like the
• 41:29
  scenario. So I figure we'll show an
• 41:31
  accident. And then obviously, I mean,
• 41:34
  there's some medical things that you guys won't be able to say
• 41:36
  just for privacy, but like, walk us through the OK, yellow or red
• 41:41
  goes out, you enter the track from that point.
• 41:44
  Kind of walk us through once you see this, what's the team
• 41:48
  assessing? What are they looking for in
• 41:49
  general terms? So it may make a noise when I
• 41:52
  add it to the stage, but it shouldn't, it's muted.
• 41:55
  So again, this is, you know, Logan took a just absolutely
• 41:58
  brutal hit on the front stretch here.
• 42:01
  I'll back it up one more time. You know, they're coming out of,
• 42:04
  you know, 4 gaining, you know, speed hits, wall comes across,
• 42:09
  track hits down below. Walk us through, OK, Red came
• 42:17
  out, you're coming to the track and went around.
• 42:19
  What are what are you walking through as you assess the
• 42:22
  situation with the driver and everything around the car?
• 42:27
  Well, the the biggest thing is getting on the track.
• 42:31
  I will say we're pretty lucky in the aspect of we don't have
• 42:38
  somebody telling us when to get on and off the track.
• 42:41
  We're, I guess you say, kind of blessed, not blessed.
• 42:48
  Some people like it, some people don't.
• 42:51
  If we see things we can call yellows, we can call Reds and be
• 42:54
  headed out before they actually start.
• 42:59
  Some people don't like it, some do it.
• 43:02
  I can't help that. So the first thing I'm looking
• 43:05
  at is I'm coming around is do we have fire?
• 43:10
  Do we have fluids along with a driver inside What what does our
• 43:16
  scene look like try to size it up.
• 43:20
  I'm on the radio constantly with the guys you know this is what I
• 43:24
  see this is what I got appears to be 1 car whatever my medical
• 43:29
  guy gets out goes right around Ron would be first one off the
• 43:33
  truck on the backside medical or fire.
• 43:36
  He would go to the other window and then the other two guys
• 43:41
  being me and whoever's on the back, Matt, probably Matt, would
• 43:46
  grab a fire extinguisher, head to the car.
• 43:48
  I would also grab one set one at the front of the car, knowing
• 43:53
  that it's a red flag. We have total control of the
• 43:56
  track. And then if I need anything, I
• 43:58
  just let Donnie know what I need, where it's coming from.
• 44:02
  Unless I need to get on the county radio and call for an
• 44:04
  ambulance. Then I break away for a short
• 44:08
  time. I do what I have to do with
• 44:09
  County. I get Alamo Fire Rescue coming
• 44:13
  and then also an ambulance depending on what the situation
• 44:16
  is. So on that aspect, we pull up.
• 44:21
  I have two medical guys going to each window, one to the driver's
• 44:25
  window, one to the passenger window, and then the other two
• 44:28
  of us are on standby for whatever they need, be it a Med
• 44:34
  bag, be it a KED board, you know, he hers back or whatever.
• 44:40
  We're going by what the two medical people are telling us.
• 44:45
  Well, I'm watching that in person.
• 44:46
  Everything you just described, it was like synchronized
• 44:49
  everything. I mean you all you exactly as
• 44:52
  you just explained it is exactly, you know, for those who
• 44:54
  are there watching it happen, right?
• 44:56
  You had two, you know, to your team members climbing into the
• 44:59
  car, assessing, you know, talk with the driver.
• 45:01
  Sometimes I've had onboard cameras in these moments and
• 45:04
  it's like, well, obviously we don't show that because that's
• 45:06
  all privacy and all that. But it's like, I mean, you guys
• 45:10
  are instantly assessing, asking the driver, you know, how are
• 45:13
  you doing or what do you need? But you know, it's it's just how
• 45:16
  you all operate. It's like, you know exactly what
• 45:18
  to do The moment you get to a scene that you're not sitting
• 45:21
  there, Joe going you here, you here, you there.
• 45:23
  Like everybody's like you. You did like a fist bump up top
• 45:27
  and you dispersed and did your job.
• 45:29
  So again, you know, watching that, you guys have seen it at
• 45:32
  the tracks again, we won't call out other tracks or anything,
• 45:35
  but I know some of the tracks you've been to where you're
• 45:37
  like, oh boy, you know, and it doesn't happen that way
• 45:40
  everywhere where I mean, it's like you guys don't have to tell
• 45:43
  each other what to do. You just you know what to do,
• 45:45
  right? And that also comes with decades
• 45:47
  of working together too. So what would you tell like new
• 45:51
  safety teams or teams that are like refreshing, like they're,
• 45:54
  you know, if any of them are watching or might watch this or
• 45:57
  see this and they're a new team or they're training a new team.
• 46:01
  Like I know Painesville last year, Speedway over in Ohio,
• 46:04
  they had a lot of new people as part of their team.
• 46:07
  So they were doing different things.
• 46:08
  Like what would you tell new teams who are trying to get that
• 46:11
  cohesive connection? I guess the biggest thing is,
• 46:19
  you know, work on being a team together.
• 46:22
  You know, we're lucky. Everybody kind of knows each
• 46:25
  other from years and years. It makes a big difference.
• 46:28
  You know, we all kind of know how we work.
• 46:31
  We have a A4 page deal that we go by, you know, one for each
• 46:37
  person. This is your responsibilities
• 46:40
  and jobs, you know, set something like that up.
• 46:43
  Make it easier for your people to understand their roles and
• 46:46
  responsibilities. It's not going to come overnight
• 46:51
  and it's a we thing. It's not an I thing or a me
• 46:53
  thing. It's a we thing and it has to be
• 46:56
  that way. You know, practice.
• 46:59
  Go out on Saturdays, even if it's for like an hour or two,
• 47:02
  you know, see if your track will let you throw a car in a corner
• 47:05
  and and do different approaches on it.
• 47:07
  You know, the first time you say you got 1 victim in it, or the
• 47:11
  second time you say if you know a driver and a passenger because
• 47:17
  it's a night of destruction or something.
• 47:19
  You know, sometimes you get that crazy stuff.
• 47:24
  I won't call it what it really is, but you know, and work on,
• 47:30
  work on different scenarios together.
• 47:32
  You know you'll get better with time.
• 47:36
  There's no doubt about it. The more you do it, the better
• 47:39
  you get. And it was the same thing with
• 47:41
  us, you know, when I first started with Craig, you know,
• 47:46
  he'd be like, come on, get over there, do that.
• 47:47
  And it's like, yeah, I know I'm a little slower.
• 47:51
  I'm new, I, you know, but over time I got it.
• 47:55
  And, you know, I, I can't complain because I learned from
• 47:59
  two really good people being him and Terry, you know, they, they
• 48:04
  taught me more than I ever thought I'd know about racing
• 48:07
  and, and, and race rescue and racing.
• 48:10
  So, you know, I've been very fortunate.
• 48:14
  I know Ron has 2. And so as some of the most of
• 48:17
  the other guys on the team that, you know, we're, we've been very
• 48:22
  fortunate on some of the people we've had around us.
• 48:25
  And that's what these guys need to do is, you know, work
• 48:28
  together, do some scenario based stuff.
• 48:32
  And even when you do your, your, your main trainings in the
• 48:35
  spring before season starts, you know, just work on some certain
• 48:39
  things that you know, you know, you're lacking on and just work
• 48:43
  hard on them. You know you, they will come and
• 48:45
  it will get easier. Buju did what other questions
• 48:51
  you had? I know we're getting near the
• 48:53
  top of the hour so I I've been asking a lot of questions so I
• 48:56
  feel like I'm leaving you out here.
• 48:58
  So once again, on the lighter side, I was thinking about a
• 49:01
  situation that I remember from a racetrack.
• 49:03
  What's something maybe that had you guys scratching your heads
• 49:06
  like why? How are we even dealing with the
• 49:08
  situation? How, why did you do this?
• 49:10
  How did you do this? The one I'm thinking of,
• 49:12
  somebody decided it was a good idea, good idea to drain hot oil
• 49:15
  into a cardboard box at a racetrack one time.
• 49:18
  So that that became a track safety issue, unfortunately real
• 49:21
  quick. What's maybe a situation, maybe
• 49:23
  not that insane, but something that comes to mind for you guys?
• 49:29
  Boy, it it's actually two different scenarios and that
• 49:35
  they were both in the last two years, both of them at track
• 49:42
  South of here. Wow.
• 49:48
  Without getting too far into the weeds, I guess, very poor tech
• 49:55
  and. Very big safety concerns.
• 49:59
  Yeah, very big safety concerns, something that you wouldn't, I
• 50:03
  expect to see, I guess. You know, you would think that
• 50:07
  even the normal person, the normal driver would be like,
• 50:12
  that's dangerous. Yeah.
• 50:17
  Are you guys making an effort in those situations to try and give
• 50:20
  your input and maybe say you know, try and better the
• 50:24
  situation? We have gave a lot of input to
• 50:30
  different race tracks. If they want to change things
• 50:34
  that's up to them. But we're only there for our
• 50:39
  race reveal the Hammer or 500 series.
• 50:42
  But we actually were helped work their race too and that's when
• 50:48
  the situation was. So yeah, we we express our
• 50:52
  concerns and stuff for our safety also.
• 50:56
  And are are you, I feel like you mentioned a little bit through
• 50:58
  the show here, but are you guys monitoring other safety crews
• 51:01
  maybe not only the negative, but maybe learning something from
• 51:05
  another crew that you guys haven't tried before picking
• 51:07
  something else up, a new technique maybe, Is that
• 51:09
  something that's part of the good job or no?
• 51:13
  We try to pay attention as close as possible for everything.
• 51:19
  You know, we're not perfect. I'm not perfect.
• 51:22
  Ron's not perfect. The rest of our crew is not
• 51:24
  perfect. There's always something to be
• 51:26
  learned in safety. Safety is, it's not a secret.
• 51:30
  You know, if you're keeping it a secret, then you shouldn't be in
• 51:34
  it. I've a lot of people say it and
• 51:38
  I've learned it from a lot of people I know.
• 51:41
  Ron has it's, it's huge. You cannot, you've got to be
• 51:48
  open and willing to take it and then help back.
• 51:53
  You know, we've had questions on why we do that.
• 51:56
  Sure, we give our reasons. They say, OK, well if you tried
• 51:59
  this little different, sure, why not, we'll try it.
• 52:03
  You know, we're not like I said, we're not perfect.
• 52:06
  We're we're willing to learn. So.
• 52:11
  And then on my last question, I'll hand it back to Louis then.
• 52:15
  So from a driver standpoint, with the advances in driver
• 52:20
  safety that have happened, especially in you guys, time in
• 52:23
  track safety is like, I feel like that's kind of been the
• 52:26
  development of driver safety in short track racing.
• 52:30
  I feel like there's an ocean among especially I'm a force on
• 52:33
  the driver and I think about the drivers I race with and they
• 52:38
  don't think we're going fast enough to need a neck restraint.
• 52:40
  A lot of the times they think a neck roll is enough as track
• 52:43
  safety and all the things you've seen over the years.
• 52:46
  What do you what? What's your counterpoint to such
• 52:49
  a thing? Go ahead.
• 52:54
  Ron, Yeah, I'm with you for the record.
• 52:57
  Things have really evolved. I mean, back when we first
• 53:00
  started, they were they didn't wear anything or if they did,
• 53:04
  they were wearing the neck rolls.
• 53:07
  And now that they have the Hans device and the other, I don't
• 53:12
  know what Simpsons calls theirs but.
• 53:14
  Hybrid. Hybrid, yeah, I think they are
• 53:19
  very good even in the four cylinders.
• 53:24
  They are the best thing that you could do.
• 53:26
  Yes, you can still hit the wall at 70 mile an hour head on and
• 53:31
  it's going to hurt. And so that would be the best
• 53:35
  thing you can do. I mean, I we've had a few guys
• 53:40
  hit the walls Super shoe last year head on that I felt felt it
• 53:47
  for a little while. Yeah, yeah, this used to be a 4
• 53:51
  cylinder behind me and the and the hit that it took was pretty
• 53:54
  solid. I'm pretty, I'm glad for one I
• 53:56
  had my Hans on. So that was my last question.
• 53:58
  I'll hand it back over to Lewis, but I I'm a big proponent of.
• 54:02
  Necklace racing, and you should be.
• 54:04
  I mean, it's it's your safety and what goes on in your life
• 54:09
  after that race. Yeah, you know.
• 54:13
  You know, it's, it's, I heard this a long time ago, but like
• 54:18
  your helmet, do you have a $10 head or do you have $100,000
• 54:22
  head? What are you, what are you going
• 54:24
  to put on your, I mean, your head, a good helmet or just
• 54:29
  something, whatever. Yeah.
• 54:31
  So I mean, it's the same way when you're getting in a race
• 54:34
  car. And same with belts.
• 54:37
  Yeah. Don't pull them off the night of
• 54:39
  destruction car that's been out in the woods for a year and a
• 54:40
  half. The the safety summit at Lane
• 54:45
  that we go to, they have if you bring in your belts, I think
• 54:49
  it's 50% off a brand new set of belts.
• 54:52
  I don't know why a lot of people don't do that.
• 54:54
  Take advantage of that. I mean, belts is one of the
• 54:57
  cheapest safety things you can upgrade.
• 55:02
  That would be the start of something right there.
• 55:06
  So how often should people, again, fans may not always know
• 55:10
  this. And I figure we again, we have a
• 55:11
  lot of people watching. So what better time to ask these
• 55:14
  kind of questions just in case. It's a friendly reminder, you
• 55:18
  know, to, you know, to maybe some drivers who maybe forget to
• 55:21
  do these kind of things. But like how often should
• 55:24
  different safety things with inside the car be upgraded, such
• 55:27
  as belts, such as, you know, even maybe a fire suit or or
• 55:31
  whatever it may be? Like how often should drivers be
• 55:34
  going through and checking everything?
• 55:37
  Well, if they're SFI certified belts, which they should be for
• 55:42
  circle track, they have an expiration date on them and
• 55:46
  usually they're good for three years.
• 55:49
  So I mean they have white tags that say June of 27 or November
• 55:54
  of 28. So they have expiration date,
• 55:59
  Joe said. The other couple weeks ago there
• 56:01
  was one that I think it was expired by a year.
• 56:06
  So I mean I think belts are like 120 bucks.
• 56:12
  If you take them to summit or lane during their safety summit,
• 56:16
  you get them a lot cheaper. And that's only because of a lot
• 56:23
  of guys, I guess mainly 4 cylinders I see sitting out more
• 56:27
  than anything. But they sit outside in the
• 56:29
  rain, the sun that will deteriorate belts quicker than
• 56:33
  anything. But a lot of the a lot of the
• 56:35
  guys with the late miles outlaw late miles and everything.
• 56:40
  They usually keep them in a barn or in a trailer and stuff.
• 56:43
  But that would be a big thing too is just keep them covered.
• 56:48
  You can't afford to race safely. You can't afford to race so.
• 56:51
  Right. Same thing with suits.
• 56:54
  You know, I know a lot of guys that I've seen in the past, they
• 57:00
  like the single layer suits because they're cooler and I get
• 57:02
  it, you're in a hot car, but if you can do a double layer suit,
• 57:08
  give yourself that advantage. If something happens, it gives
• 57:11
  you a little more time, you know, or a triple layer suit or
• 57:16
  a double layer suit with the underwear, the no Max underwear
• 57:20
  under it. Now, like I'll, I'll just throw
• 57:24
  this out there. Our team, everybody on the team,
• 57:26
  we have to wear a triple layer suit with the no Max underwear
• 57:29
  under it. We have to be able to have
• 57:32
  because we're not right there at the moment.
• 57:35
  So we're trying, we're trying to give ourselves an extra couple
• 57:38
  seconds maybe to get in and do something to help.
• 57:43
  But you know, try and give yourself some time.
• 57:46
  If you get in an accident, your car catches fire, you're trying
• 57:50
  to get out. Give yourself those extra few
• 57:52
  seconds of trying to, you know, give yourself the chance to make
• 57:57
  it, you know, and I know it sounds bad, but it's, it's the
• 58:02
  truth. I mean, if something were bad to
• 58:04
  happen and catch fire, We had a guy in Super Shoe last year, the
• 58:12
  one car that hit the wall and turned 3 and turned one and two
• 58:15
  that caught fire. That fire, in all of the two to
• 58:21
  three seconds it took us to put it out, he had crawled all the
• 58:25
  way up into the driver's cabin and he could feel it, you know,
• 58:29
  And we were right there, knocked it down quick.
• 58:32
  And he still felt the heat on himself.
• 58:37
  So I give yourself a chance. Would you even recommend to
• 58:43
  drivers, especially like I know a driver who they bought new
• 58:48
  equipment at the safety summit. They had it in their car.
• 58:52
  They had a situation a few weeks ago where they it was not
• 58:55
  letting them out, you know, like they were almost kind of trapped
• 58:58
  in their car until they got out, you know?
• 59:00
  Is that something that you would recommend even to for drivers,
• 59:04
  even young drivers like we have Cameron Mccrudden coming on
• 59:07
  soon, who's just graduated from many wedges, has moved up on the
• 59:10
  Hornets. Like is that something that you
• 59:13
  would encourage, especially even at a younger age?
• 59:15
  Like practice all these things like get in your car in the
• 59:18
  garage and the parking lot or wherever and just practice
• 59:22
  getting out Practice, You know, what if what if this happens or
• 59:25
  that happens? Like would you tell drivers
• 59:28
  like, hey, take 1520 minutes to do these things?
• 59:32
  Know how it goes together, you know, like these Hans devices,
• 59:36
  they all connect up around the head.
• 59:39
  Know how to get them unclicked and undone.
• 59:42
  Your belts, you should be able. Most drivers can do it with
• 59:45
  their eyes closed because they do it so much.
• 59:48
  But in an emergency situation, you know, your, your adrenaline
• 59:52
  goes up a little more. You're, I wouldn't say panicked,
• 59:56
  but your urgency is, is greater to get out.
• 1:00:01
  So know how things fit, know how they feel, you know, and that's
• 1:00:06
  most drivers, they want to be in a car a certain way.
• 1:00:10
  You know, I, most of the ones that I know they want to be in
• 1:00:12
  tight, serious tight, you know, so they can't move at all.
• 1:00:18
  So you know, know, know your feel, know how you want to be,
• 1:00:23
  and you should be able to get them undone as easy as you do
• 1:00:26
  them all. Especially when the adrenaline's
• 1:00:30
  going, you know, because that you know, that adds a whole
• 1:00:34
  nother factor right where you're, you know, you're just
• 1:00:36
  turning left and going fast. The next thing you know, you see
• 1:00:38
  flames probably not on the bingo board, but it happens right
• 1:00:42
  unexpectedly. And what's one thing that
• 1:00:45
  drivers can let you know, like if they don't do it already,
• 1:00:48
  what's something that a driver can definitely like signal or
• 1:00:51
  let you know like, hey, I'm good bro.
• 1:00:53
  You know, like as you're coming over, is that drop in the net,
• 1:00:56
  is that putting a thumbs out very clearly?
• 1:00:59
  Like what are some different things that a driver can do to
• 1:01:01
  help you guys as you're coming to a situation?
• 1:01:04
  We definitely look for the window net going down.
• 1:01:07
  That is a good sign that at least they're not hurt very bad,
• 1:01:12
  but we still got to check on them.
• 1:01:15
  Oh yeah, yeah. That the thumbs up usually,
• 1:01:19
  well, not usually. Sometimes they're, you know,
• 1:01:21
  having a conversation with themselves about what happened.
• 1:01:24
  So be it because of them or because of somebody else's
• 1:01:28
  fault. So, you know, that's another way
• 1:01:31
  we can tell, you know, they're, they're alert, they're awake,
• 1:01:34
  they're talking, you know, that's all good signs that we're
• 1:01:38
  looking for. That was a question in the chat.
• 1:01:42
  Some people were talking about that, so that's why I brought
• 1:01:44
  that up like no, and it's not just even for you guys, right?
• 1:01:47
  This could be any track, any safety team like and how,
• 1:01:50
  because it's all a cohesive team like we're all in it together.
• 1:01:53
  We, you know, we hope to don't see you as part of the show,
• 1:01:56
  right, because that means it was a really good night.
• 1:01:58
  Everything went left and went right, not right went as far as
• 1:02:03
  expected because if it went right, then we do have the
• 1:02:05
  problems and that's where you're coming around.
• 1:02:06
  But but you know, that's where since those have been some
• 1:02:09
  different things that have been said in the chat, it's like,
• 1:02:11
  hey, you know, like even if you don't race at Kalamazoo or you
• 1:02:14
  don't race reveal or you don't race 500, here's something that
• 1:02:17
  you can do with your safety team or for safety teams or members
• 1:02:20
  who might be listening, but how can they communicate with the
• 1:02:23
  driver? So one thing that I know you
• 1:02:25
  guys do, and I haven't seen it everywhere, every now and then
• 1:02:28
  you see it. But one thing that you guys do
• 1:02:30
  is you walk the pit area, especially like when you have
• 1:02:34
  travelling groups there or whatever.
• 1:02:35
  When the Tri states friends were there, you were walking around
• 1:02:38
  checking the cars. When 500 was there, you're
• 1:02:40
  walking around looking at the car.
• 1:02:41
  So before we let you go, because we are definitely running out of
• 1:02:44
  time and I, I mean, we filled that hour.
• 1:02:46
  I was wondering, you know, I wanted to give you that space
• 1:02:50
  because it's been a great conversation.
• 1:02:52
  But like, what are you looking for as you guys are walking
• 1:02:55
  through and talking with drivers?
• 1:02:56
  Like that's something you guys do really, really good about is
• 1:02:59
  going around. So what are the things that
• 1:03:01
  you're looking for when you do that?
• 1:03:04
  Yeah, with the two series that we really follow plus the
• 1:03:06
  Kalamazoo, but the two series we go through the pits and a new
• 1:03:14
  somebody's new car and stuff. We always look for where their
• 1:03:16
  shut offs are at master switch, fuel switch, see how they're
• 1:03:22
  belded in, make sure their belts look like they're how properly
• 1:03:27
  installed. I mean, we have seen some that
• 1:03:29
  are like sitting on sharp edges and stuff that will will
• 1:03:34
  recommend somebody to change, change them.
• 1:03:37
  But we like to talk to the drivers to see how they're
• 1:03:44
  feeling. I mean, you might have somebody
• 1:03:47
  talking just fine to you in the pits, but they get an accident
• 1:03:51
  and they're kind of slurring their words and stuff, then you
• 1:03:53
  know they have an issue. So that's kind of something that
• 1:03:56
  we started with, especially with the traveling series and, and at
• 1:04:01
  Kalamazoo you you've really noticed that too.
• 1:04:05
  Yeah, I mean, that's something that, again, I cannot sing your
• 1:04:07
  praises enough. You guys are in.
• 1:04:09
  You're an incredible team. You know, you know, I always
• 1:04:12
  before every race program, you know, when you're walking the
• 1:04:15
  track and I'm walking the track, you know, do fist bump and, you
• 1:04:18
  know, always tell you guys to, you know, be safe tonight.
• 1:04:20
  And you know, because again, you know, we hope to not have you be
• 1:04:24
  a part of the show. That means again, things went
• 1:04:26
  all right. But you know, we know that
• 1:04:28
  inevitably, you know, we're going to see an appearance from
• 1:04:31
  KTS or a safety team. And again, I just think it's the
• 1:04:35
  respect that you can have for a safety team, right?
• 1:04:37
  Like get to know them too, you know, say hi to them,
• 1:04:40
  acknowledge them. I mean, your, your guys's day
• 1:04:43
  starts early on a Friday. You're there before I am and I
• 1:04:46
  get there, you know, at least an hour before gates open.
• 1:04:49
  You guys have already sometimes been there a couple hours before
• 1:04:51
  that, right? So there's a lot that goes into
• 1:04:54
  it. And that's again, I definitely
• 1:04:57
  appreciate, you know, especially on a Monday night, you know,
• 1:04:59
  Monday for everybody. But I appreciate you guys taking
• 1:05:02
  all the time tonight to talk with us too.
• 1:05:04
  So before we let you go, any last parting words or any, you
• 1:05:08
  know, words good for the group that you would just like people
• 1:05:11
  to know, fans, drivers, whomever to know about safety, track
• 1:05:16
  safety, what you guys do. I guess the biggest thing is,
• 1:05:21
  you know, just make sure you're up to snuff on all your
• 1:05:24
  equipment and you know, be safe out there.
• 1:05:29
  It's you never know what can happen and how quickly can
• 1:05:32
  happen on racetrack. I mean, we've all seen it.
• 1:05:36
  There's been a lot of bad recs lately.
• 1:05:38
  Oh yeah. You know and work as a team,
• 1:05:43
  definitely work as a team. There's no hire me in this at
• 1:05:46
  all. You know, that's how you build a
• 1:05:48
  good team, work together, be strong and fine.
• 1:05:52
  You know, go to go other play, call other places.
• 1:05:55
  Hey, you know, we're doing this training.
• 1:05:57
  Can you maybe come over and help us, you know, or show us some
• 1:06:01
  stuff you know, It's, it's not hard.
• 1:06:06
  When it all comes down to it, we're there for the drivers, the
• 1:06:08
  spectators, you know, the facility.
• 1:06:12
  Not not to pat ourselves on the back or anything.
• 1:06:16
  We just we want good racing, safe around everybody.
• 1:06:23
  Oh, I mean absolutely. Again, you guys are incredible
• 1:06:27
  with what you do. So I did have a thought as you
• 1:06:31
  were talking Joe, where I'm like, Oh, wait, we forgot to
• 1:06:34
  mention that, but oh, it was the accidents.
• 1:06:36
  I mean, that's one thing that I think that's where this time so
• 1:06:39
  perfectly about being able to get you guys on here to do a
• 1:06:42
  talk with with safety. You know, I again, I I don't
• 1:06:45
  know too many podcasts I've seen.
• 1:06:47
  Do you know, have a safety team on their talk.
• 1:06:49
  But you know, there's really bad wreck.
• 1:06:52
  I think it was last week where some photographers and others
• 1:06:54
  got injured out of track and ended up in the hospital.
• 1:06:58
  I just saw one yesterday where a car went skateboarding basically
• 1:07:02
  around the wall and any for spectators at Ken Ross.
• 1:07:06
  I know you guys had a crazy situation where late model went
• 1:07:10
  or not late model St. stock, I think it was went flying off and
• 1:07:13
  they don't they're Charlie Hannah said it was the
• 1:07:16
  equivalent of a baseball fence basically that was separating
• 1:07:20
  them and fans and that it was could have been scarier than
• 1:07:23
  what it, you know, lucked is not to be.
• 1:07:27
  But yeah. So that's why I thought this was
• 1:07:29
  perfect having you guys on because again, there's just so
• 1:07:31
  much that you do. I know my mom's an EMT, licensed
• 1:07:34
  EMT and everything and she's been on rigs and everything, you
• 1:07:38
  know, in her career. And so I just have a deep
• 1:07:40
  appreciation for what you all do.
• 1:07:43
  We appreciate it. Oh we love chatting with you and
• 1:07:46
  stuff from racetrack too. Yeah, that and that started, I
• 1:07:50
  mean, that was like 2023 right away getting there.
• 1:07:53
  And, you know, and I've certainly gotten to know you
• 1:07:55
  guys over the years. And that's where I just
• 1:07:58
  appreciate you always letting me invade your space.
• 1:07:59
  You know, I try to be, you know, mindful of that.
• 1:08:02
  And I know Ron, you've taken over the camera duties and, and
• 1:08:05
  have that on and you got one of those super shoe moments where
• 1:08:08
  there's conversations going on between the drivers.
• 1:08:10
  You knew they were OK because they were all in front of each
• 1:08:14
  other. Sometimes.
• 1:08:15
  I usually just forget to turn it on.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:18
  But like I said, that's a good thing though.
• 1:08:20
  That means it's not in your way. And that was always my big worry
• 1:08:23
  is that it would impede what you do.
• 1:08:25
  And obviously it luckily right, it hasn't.
• 1:08:28
  So it hasn't no. So that's where again, I just,
• 1:08:31
  you know, I appreciate that, but it just knowing what you do, I,
• 1:08:34
  I know you don't always see the clips, but I do record the
• 1:08:36
  national anthem every night. It's just YouTube and Facebook
• 1:08:39
  don't like the national anthem. It's a copyright, but when it
• 1:08:43
  always ends with home of the brave, I always pan over to
• 1:08:45
  where you guys are standing over in the top turn, top of turn 2,
• 1:08:49
  because you know, you guys are super brave for what you do, not
• 1:08:52
  only at the track, but in the communities that you serve.
• 1:08:55
  And so again, just thank you for everything that you do.
• 1:08:58
  We appreciate it. Well, thank you, Lois.
• 1:09:01
  And I'll definitely see you guys on Saturday.
• 1:09:03
  Hold the dumpster fires you know no dumpster.
• 1:09:06
  Fires I won't be there. Sorry.
• 1:09:09
  You're my son's getting wedding or he's getting married, so we
• 1:09:13
  have wedding at his house. All right, we'll definitely
• 1:09:16
  enjoy that. But well Joe, I'll see you and
• 1:09:18
  then we'll definitely we'll still hold the dumpster fires.
• 1:09:21
  We'll still. I'm sure of it.
• 1:09:23
  We'll save that from when you're back.
• 1:09:25
  OK. Just so you don't miss out, we
• 1:09:27
  would hate for you to miss out, but I don't think Randy wants a
• 1:09:30
  dumpster fire either. So I definitely think that's not
• 1:09:33
  a thing. But if you're definitely if
• 1:09:35
  you're on mini wedges, you'll see Joe there.
• 1:09:37
  I did. I got a post that that reminds
• 1:09:39
  me, but Joel gave you a shout out Joe and I got to post that
• 1:09:43
  because again, I just everything that you guys do, you know,
• 1:09:47
  above and beyond. So again, thank you tonight for
• 1:09:50
  taking, you know, an hour and 10 minutes out of your night to
• 1:09:53
  hang out with us and, and chat about track safety.
• 1:09:56
  And, and there's so many people in the chat.
• 1:09:58
  I know you haven't seen it yet, but so many people who are
• 1:10:01
  definitely thankful for what what you do and what the safety
• 1:10:05
  teams do. Excuse me, but again, thank you
• 1:10:07
  guys so much. No problem.
• 1:10:09
  We appreciate it. Thank you.
• 1:10:10
  Well. Thank you, guys.
• 1:10:12
  Thank you. Guys, no thank you.
• 1:10:13
  And so again, we've been talking for the last hour.
• 1:10:16
  Again, we're live. So if you missed it, definitely
• 1:10:18
  when we are off here in a little bit, head on back and you can
• 1:10:22
  watch from the very beginning. We've been chatting with Ron
• 1:10:25
  Crandall and Joe Schaefer from the Kalamazoo Track Services
• 1:10:28
  team who are also part of the Sprint 500 tour and Reveal the
• 1:10:31
  Hammer. But as we transition and we're
• 1:10:34
  at the top of the hour, I do want to do a reminder for the
• 1:10:36
  Thursday night throttle. This is before we bring Cameron
• 1:10:39
  on. I know he's already in the
• 1:10:40
  staging area, but we have the Thursday night throttle again,
• 1:10:43
  7:00 this Thursday where we preview the upcoming weekend.
• 1:10:47
  Next week might be a little light.
• 1:10:48
  A lot of tracks are taken off the holiday weekend, but I know
• 1:10:51
  Hartford and Kalamazoo have big events going on, as does new
• 1:10:54
  pair Speedway with their night of destruction.
• 1:10:57
  And then I know Saturday, this Freedom at Galesburg.
• 1:11:01
  But otherwise a lot of tracks taking off that weekend.
• 1:11:04
  And this is a good time too, especially with all the rain
• 1:11:06
  we've had and now dust in the air too.
• 1:11:08
  At the same time that ELH Detailing, which is a marketing
• 1:11:11
  partner up Top Row Racing Media, don't forget you can go there in
• 1:11:15
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• 1:11:20
  Bar and Grill. And if you're especially if
• 1:11:23
  you're a Chicago Cubs fan, it's all Cubs in there or head down
• 1:11:27
  to Roma's Pizza, whatever it may be to keep you busy while you're
• 1:11:29
  in Bridgeman and get your car detailed.
• 1:11:31
  And if you use the code Top Row, July 13th coming up Bougie, we
• 1:11:36
  get to announce the first person to receive a free detail on the
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  House from ELH Detailing. Also a proud sponsor of Matt
• 1:11:44
  Kemp Racing who just was at Berlin over the weekend for the
• 1:11:47
  ARCA series. So again, take advantage of
• 1:11:50
  that. They support short track racing,
• 1:11:51
  so definitely support them. I know for, you know, fans and
• 1:11:56
  drivers in the Kalamazoo area, that might feel like a little
• 1:11:58
  bit of a drive down to Bridgeman.
• 1:11:59
  But again, you can see the Sears Tower, not the Willis.
• 1:12:02
  We don't call it the Willis. If you're from Chicago like I
• 1:12:05
  am, it is the Sears Tower and will always be the Sears Tower.
• 1:12:08
  But you can see the Sears Tower, Chicago, Michigan City, and
• 1:12:12
  potentially where the new Chicago Bears Stadium will be
• 1:12:15
  around Gary. You can see that all from our
• 1:12:17
  shoreline right here in Richmond, MI.
• 1:12:19
  So Buju, Are you ready for the next guest?
• 1:12:22
  Yes, Sir. So racing down at Plymouth most
• 1:12:25
  consistently, but a mini wedge graduate.
• 1:12:27
  We have Cameron Mcrawden who's about to join us.
• 1:12:30
  So let me pop him on the stage, make sure I click the right
• 1:12:33
  graphic and we have Cameron now. So welcome to the Monday Night
• 1:12:36
  Rewind. Well, thank you.
• 1:12:38
  Thank you for having me. Oh, you're, you're welcome.
• 1:12:41
  I mean, I've, I've gotten to watch you as the mini wedge
• 1:12:43
  racer, but I haven't seen you since you've dropped over to
• 1:12:46
  Hornets and so I definitely have a lot to still learn about you.
• 1:12:50
  I know Buju knows you quite well.
• 1:12:52
  So Cameron, if you want to give everyone who may not know you,
• 1:12:56
  especially since we do have a lot of Kalamazoo watchers, new
• 1:13:00
  Paris watchers who may not have ever gotten a chance to watch
• 1:13:03
  you race. What's your background?
• 1:13:05
  Who are you and how did you know?
• 1:13:06
  How did you get into racing and and kind of take us from there?
• 1:13:10
  My name's Cameron. I race Hornets at Plymouth Motor
• 1:13:14
  Speedway. I kind of the love for racing
• 1:13:18
  started when my Papa was racing when I was little.
• 1:13:21
  And then my dad got the car back in like 2019 and ever since then
• 1:13:27
  I always wanted to be in a race car.
• 1:13:31
  It after he raced for about two years and then that's when I got
• 1:13:38
  into the Mini Wedge. And then after the Mini Wedge,
• 1:13:41
  we decided to make the jump to a Hornet.
• 1:13:43
  And we definitely learned a lot in the Hornet.
• 1:13:47
  But yeah. And you got a first heat win the
• 1:13:53
  other day, right? Yep.
• 1:13:55
  Yep. So congratulations on that.
• 1:13:57
  But I'll I'll let Buju go. I kind of stopped on him for a
• 1:13:59
  moment, but I'm like, you got to throw that in there.
• 1:14:01
  You got to win. So you know, that's, I mean that
• 1:14:04
  you get the first one. He's got he's an A feature
• 1:14:07
  winner this year, too. So there you go.
• 1:14:09
  He checked, the heat went off last.
• 1:14:11
  He did a reverse order. Well, then you should start with
• 1:14:16
  feature. I I must have missed the feature
• 1:14:17
  when I do follow your page. I mean, I followed your page
• 1:14:19
  into your mini wedge racer. But sometimes when I get on, I
• 1:14:23
  don't really. I tell people all the time, like
• 1:14:25
  I might get on Facebook to post something, but I'm not on
• 1:14:28
  Facebook to doom scroll for, you know, hours.
• 1:14:30
  So there's a good chance that I miss so many different things.
• 1:14:33
  But so definitely congratulations on your a
• 1:14:35
  feature win and doing it in the reverse your heat win that I, I
• 1:14:39
  did see that from the other day. Thank you.
• 1:14:44
  So you mentioned coming from mini wedges.
• 1:14:46
  First off, let's talk a little bit about what did you what did
• 1:14:49
  you learn in mini wedges that's carried over to Hornets so far?
• 1:14:52
  Honestly, holding a line and like, you know, kind of just
• 1:14:56
  like like I said, holding a line and probably just learning how
• 1:15:03
  to pass and the patience, you know, patience sometimes, but.
• 1:15:12
  So when I my first time in a race car, I felt like I was
• 1:15:16
  flying out there and then I watched the video and I was
• 1:15:18
  going 7 miles an hour. So since you had mini wedge
• 1:15:21
  experience, did you did you have that same experience jumping
• 1:15:24
  into Hornets or did you feel like you were a little more
• 1:15:26
  comfortable right away? Oh.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, I, I definitely felt like I was going faster.
• 1:15:31
  And then I watched the video and it was like, well, well,
• 1:15:34
  definitely feels like you're going faster in the car.
• 1:15:38
  You picked it up pretty quick though.
• 1:15:39
  Like I said, last year was your rookie season in Hornets, right?
• 1:15:42
  Yep. You picked up AB feature win
• 1:15:44
  last year if I remember correctly.
• 1:15:46
  Yep. And then an A feature win this
• 1:15:48
  year. So I think we're progressing
• 1:15:49
  pretty good. Cam like the heat rates come in
• 1:15:51
  last, that's reverse order, but that's OK.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, I, you know, I just, you know, it just felt right to do
• 1:15:58
  it in reverse, you know? That's right.
• 1:16:00
  That's right. You have a little different.
• 1:16:01
  Everybody gets the heat win first, so I'm like, let me get
• 1:16:03
  the feature and then I'll get the heat.
• 1:16:06
  And and with the crew that you're running, you're running
• 1:16:08
  with that down in the corner there at Plymouth, they do
• 1:16:10
  things a little differently anyway, right.
• 1:16:11
  So who, who is the crew? Who do you got run around with
• 1:16:14
  that in that corner down there, Plymouth Motor Speed, the left
• 1:16:17
  turn corner I call it down there at Plymouth.
• 1:16:19
  Chris K Wilson Keys, David Keys, Cordell Davis, we all just hang
• 1:16:25
  out down on the corner there and you'll enjoy our time with the
• 1:16:29
  racetrack. That's all you can do.
• 1:16:32
  How valuable is it to have those people to learn from?
• 1:16:35
  Because I mean those between the six or seven of them, they have
• 1:16:38
  what, 254 cylinder races between South End and Plymouth?
• 1:16:44
  So I feel like that's a good How valuable is that for you as a
• 1:16:47
  young driver? Oh, it's definitely, it's
• 1:16:49
  definitely an honor to have Chris and Melissa and Dave and
• 1:16:53
  all of them and my corner and, you know, their support and all
• 1:16:57
  their help. You know, I, I don't think I'd
• 1:16:59
  be where I'm at without their help, honestly.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah, they've, they've been a lot of help.
• 1:17:08
  And like I said, I don't think I'd be where I'm at now without
• 1:17:10
  them. What did you mention?
• 1:17:13
  Oh, go ahead, go ahead, though, it's not good.
• 1:17:15
  You know, you bring up the keys, right?
• 1:17:17
  You know David and Melissa, who obviously you know, they know
• 1:17:19
  how to win race and accord. Al Davis too, you know, not to
• 1:17:23
  leave him out, but you know, definitely with David and
• 1:17:25
  Melissa, you know, Melissa being a trailblazer at South Bend, you
• 1:17:29
  know, in the in the late, you know, twenty 10's and the twenty
• 1:17:33
  20s. And obviously she helped too
• 1:17:35
  with the mini wedges. So, you know, thinking of them
• 1:17:38
  specifically just because they do.
• 1:17:40
  They've done so much for the mini wedges where you came from
• 1:17:42
  into now, you know, is there advice that they've given you or
• 1:17:45
  different things that they've taught you along the way that
• 1:17:47
  specifically stands out to you? Oh.
• 1:17:50
  Yeah, you learn honestly. You learn every new stuff every
• 1:17:53
  week, honestly. And they've definitely taught me
• 1:17:57
  a lot. It's like, like I said, you
• 1:17:59
  learning new stuff every week. So you.
• 1:18:02
  Know. They've been, they've been
• 1:18:04
  teaching me stuff and yeah. What's a good lesson that you
• 1:18:08
  got from one of them? Like one that stands out to you
• 1:18:10
  the most. Chris Kane and Cordell Davis
• 1:18:14
  tell me not to do what they do. I did what they I did what they
• 1:18:19
  do. And it's worked out so far, so.
• 1:18:24
  I think that's good advice from Chris and Cordell.
• 1:18:26
  In my experience, the best advice I ever got personally, or
• 1:18:32
  the one that stuck with me the most, I guess, also came from
• 1:18:34
  your crew in my rookie year at South Bend.
• 1:18:36
  We were just having all kinds of problems with my car.
• 1:18:38
  We couldn't figure it out. And Dave Keyes just said at the
• 1:18:40
  right moment, if it was easy, everybody would do it.
• 1:18:43
  I don't know. That's stuck with me.
• 1:18:44
  So you do have a good crew over there in that corner.
• 1:18:47
  I know the competition is high in that corner too, and there's
• 1:18:51
  a lot of trash talking between the between the group of you.
• 1:18:54
  So yeah, what's that? What's that like?
• 1:18:58
  What's the trash talk like? I know there's a positive
• 1:18:59
  environment. I know there's a lot of
• 1:19:00
  learning, but I know there's a lot of trash talk too.
• 1:19:03
  At the end of the day, we're all just messing around with each
• 1:19:05
  other. You know, our, all of our goals
• 1:19:08
  is to beat each other, you know, and then they, you know, we're
• 1:19:11
  friends off the track and all that.
• 1:19:13
  But when you get on the track, it's like your competitors, you
• 1:19:15
  know? But it's, you know, we always
• 1:19:19
  mess around and like I said, our goals are always to beat each
• 1:19:22
  other. And.
• 1:19:23
  Yeah, we always congratulated when we get off the track and.
• 1:19:29
  So I know you had another new experience recently.
• 1:19:31
  You ran an enduro at Grundy, right?
• 1:19:33
  Yep. And ran all 200 laps.
• 1:19:35
  So what was that like? I was definitely tired.
• 1:19:38
  I'll tell you. That neck was definitely killing
• 1:19:41
  me the next few days. It was fun.
• 1:19:45
  We had a little bit of car problems, but we got around it.
• 1:19:49
  It was definitely fun. I learned a lot.
• 1:19:53
  Good experience for the Hornet. Oh yeah, Yep.
• 1:19:57
  I'll tell you what, that wall up there at Grundy's a little
• 1:19:59
  sketchy. Yeah, the scoop.
• 1:20:01
  It's a scoop, Lewis. It is spooky.
• 1:20:03
  You get up there, it'll freak you out.
• 1:20:05
  Yeah, but it's definitely fun race.
• 1:20:07
  Like I said, I we got to the halfway point and my dad came up
• 1:20:12
  to me and he's like, you tired yet?
• 1:20:13
  And I was like good. And then that last 100 laps and
• 1:20:19
  I was just exhausted. Do you have anything but do you
• 1:20:23
  have anything else like that circled maybe I, I know it's
• 1:20:26
  always kind of just when it's a bit, when it's when it's
• 1:20:28
  convenient, when maybe the money's right.
• 1:20:30
  But is there something else maybe you have circled like that
• 1:20:32
  that you'd want to do? Honestly, I'll even hope.
• 1:20:44
  Fair enough. You're fun though.
• 1:20:47
  I mean, that's what I grew up on, you know, at Santa Fe and
• 1:20:50
  Grundy with they do a really nice job with those enduros down
• 1:20:54
  there. So I told you Jack when you know
• 1:20:57
  his were night of destruction style when I first got knowing
• 1:20:59
  him and everything and I'm like this is not an enduro and it's
• 1:21:03
  just crashing. And that's not when an enduro
• 1:21:05
  supposed to be an enduro supposed to be racing, you know,
• 1:21:09
  and there might be bumping and banging.
• 1:21:10
  I mean Melissa has a good photo from a few years ago where she
• 1:21:13
  is going into like a big water pile or something like that
• 1:21:16
  where it's like splashing everywhere.
• 1:21:18
  I think that was her Muppet car that was like 20/19/18 something
• 1:21:22
  like that is a Muppet car, but random noises.
• 1:21:26
  But I'm like, is it on my end? I don't know.
• 1:21:29
  I heard, I mean, I have birds behind me, but I, you know, so
• 1:21:32
  doing an enduro Grundy, I mean, that does say a lot because they
• 1:21:35
  do they're racing down there. That's a, and they have a lot of
• 1:21:38
  racers who do those enduros there.
• 1:21:40
  So it's not just a Joe, you know, Joe Schmo showing up
• 1:21:43
  there. I mean there are many of those
• 1:21:45
  and they, you know, they put on a great show too.
• 1:21:46
  That's what they love to do. But you know, you've had a late
• 1:21:48
  model drivers who jump into those enduros down at Grundy,
• 1:21:52
  people who, you know, drivers who have one year is like 9
• 1:21:55
  championships in a in a class down there.
• 1:21:59
  So I mean they're not just it's not easy competition and then
• 1:22:03
  enduro. Oh no.
• 1:22:04
  No. It's not easy competition when
• 1:22:08
  you in your weekly race class down there Plymouth either.
• 1:22:10
  I don't know. We've already mentioned Chris
• 1:22:12
  and Melissa who you race with quite a bit, but it's a tight
• 1:22:15
  field down there. Who are some of the other
• 1:22:16
  drivers that maybe when you're driving up there in the front,
• 1:22:19
  you see that car come up next to you?
• 1:22:20
  You're like, oh man, I got to push a little harder now.
• 1:22:23
  I'll tell you what, this week me and Kaylee Berdon were side by
• 1:22:27
  side for a little bit. Yeah, I'm glad I missed that.
• 1:22:30
  I would have been anxious. That was definitely fun.
• 1:22:35
  Honestly, there's a lot of people out there that I'll be
• 1:22:38
  looking up at the scoreboard. I see them coming up and I'm
• 1:22:40
  like, all right, time to go. Yeah, I hear you.
• 1:22:44
  You know, it's, it's honestly the last few weeks it's been
• 1:22:50
  like when we first started the season, the cold weather, I
• 1:22:53
  noticed a lot of the people that weren't as fast in the colder
• 1:22:56
  weather have been picking up a lot of speed lately.
• 1:23:00
  Warmer weather, but. Where'd you end up this week?
• 1:23:04
  I wasn't. I wasn't at your race this week.
• 1:23:06
  This is the first one I missed. I qualified eighth out of I
• 1:23:10
  think 16 cars and then in the heat race, we're front row
• 1:23:14
  inside of the fast heat. We didn't do the best in the
• 1:23:17
  heat, but in the feature we started 4th row outside.
• 1:23:24
  I want to say it was honestly one of those races where it was
• 1:23:29
  more patience and not less. You know, more patience is
• 1:23:34
  waiting for the moves to come. But we ended up finishing second
• 1:23:39
  that night. Me and Porsche had a photo
• 1:23:42
  finish coming to the checkered so.
• 1:23:44
  See, I didn't even know that. Good job.
• 1:23:46
  I'm proud again. But so yeah, you've been racing
• 1:23:50
  Hornets for two years now and I know that's probably the home
• 1:23:53
  for a while. Do you have goals to go racing,
• 1:23:55
  something maybe a little quicker?
• 1:23:57
  Or are you happy in Hornets? Like I'm coming back down to
• 1:23:59
  race Hornets with you. So it's no judgement if you are
• 1:24:01
  a Hornet, but what are your future?
• 1:24:03
  What What's the future look like for Cameron Mccrudden?
• 1:24:08
  We we have some plans for next year.
• 1:24:09
  We're not fully. Set on you.
• 1:24:12
  You don't got to break all the news, all right?
• 1:24:14
  Yep. We, we're not fully set on that
• 1:24:16
  yet. So we're we're kind of keeping
• 1:24:17
  that, you know, in the closet just until we know it's for
• 1:24:20
  sure, but. I got you.
• 1:24:23
  All right, so stay tuned to the Cameron Mccrone Racing page is
• 1:24:26
  what I'm hearing. Oh yeah, yeah, might have some
• 1:24:28
  big news coming up soon. So what's been the biggest
• 1:24:32
  challenge for you? Jumping.
• 1:24:34
  You know this is year 2 now, right?
• 1:24:36
  For the Hornets, What's still, you know, you've used the word
• 1:24:39
  quite often tonight, the word patience.
• 1:24:42
  And there's probably a couple of situations over the track over
• 1:24:45
  the weekend where I could probably paint that word over
• 1:24:47
  that and say this would be super helpful right now is having
• 1:24:49
  patience. So how do you remind yourself to
• 1:24:54
  have patience? And is there a time that you
• 1:24:58
  didn't have patience and you found yourself in the wrong
• 1:25:00
  spot? There there was a couple times
• 1:25:02
  where I didn't have the patience back in my rookie year.
• 1:25:08
  There was some situations that got where we were three wide,
• 1:25:11
  you know, got a little scary at some points, but we got through
• 1:25:15
  them somehow. But I definitely have learned
• 1:25:18
  this year that it's you can't, you always got to keep in the
• 1:25:22
  back of your mind that you got to have patience.
• 1:25:24
  You know, you can't just send it in.
• 1:25:25
  And because that don't work every time, sometimes you got to
• 1:25:29
  give it a lap or two, see what happens, and the move will come
• 1:25:31
  to you when it's ready. I almost should, in fact, I
• 1:25:36
  think if it's a clip that I think the program will
• 1:25:39
  automatically put a clip there for me because that should just
• 1:25:41
  be a sound bite. I was hoping that should just be
• 1:25:44
  a sound bite for a lot of people this past weekend.
• 1:25:46
  So because, you know, I think maybe it wasn't even a full
• 1:25:50
  moon, but it felt like it. And and so, you know, what are
• 1:25:55
  you have an A feature under your your belt, right.
• 1:25:57
  So what are some goals, maybe before breaking news later, what
• 1:26:00
  are some goals that you still have that are that are on your
• 1:26:03
  board, so to speak, while you're in the Hornets or doing Hornet
• 1:26:07
  things like what are goals that you want to continue to achieve?
• 1:26:11
  Honestly, just getting quicker every week and getting quicker.
• 1:26:20
  Let's see Snap. I don't even know.
• 1:26:26
  Are you are you chasing the championship this year or are
• 1:26:28
  you just racing for fun? Chasing for a championship,
• 1:26:31
  hopefully. OK, Yep.
• 1:26:33
  So that would be the big goal for this year.
• 1:26:35
  Ed Hornets, at least, would be the maybe the Plymouth
• 1:26:37
  Championship. Yep, that I'll tell you what,
• 1:26:40
  it's if they've been a tight field lately.
• 1:26:42
  Yeah, it's a. It's not.
• 1:26:43
  It's not easy. No, but yeah, it's definitely
• 1:26:49
  been a tight field. Honestly, just getting faster
• 1:26:54
  every weekend and learning how to hold a better line.
• 1:26:58
  I know a lot of people say that I'm going to hold the line now,
• 1:27:01
  but you know, like I said, there's always room for
• 1:27:02
  improvement. Another one of my goals is
• 1:27:07
  honestly beat Chris. To retire Chris.
• 1:27:09
  That's the goal. That's the deal between me and
• 1:27:11
  him is to beat Chris and he retires when I beat him.
• 1:27:17
  Chris isn't going to retire, you know that.
• 1:27:20
  We've gotten close to beat a couple times, but.
• 1:27:23
  I don't buy that. I don't buy that he's going to
• 1:27:25
  retire. I don't believe him.
• 1:27:27
  I don't know. Look, Smith.
• 1:27:29
  He's excited because you know, Buju, you said back in the
• 1:27:31
  Hornet. So he can't wait.
• 1:27:33
  And pardon me, it's like, I don't know when are you going to
• 1:27:37
  get in that Hornet, Buju? Like we keep waiting for that
• 1:27:39
  return, right? So.
• 1:27:41
  I got a date. I know when I know when it's
• 1:27:44
  coming. I'm.
• 1:27:45
  Definitely in the days waiting for me.
• 1:27:47
  Yeah, we'll be racing together soon, don't you worry.
• 1:27:50
  I've been asking them every week.
• 1:27:51
  I'm I'll be going out to them and like when you get in the car
• 1:27:54
  out here. Pretty soon.
• 1:27:56
  Very soon. What I'm hearing is you need to
• 1:27:59
  put a deadline on him and remind him, you know, say like you have
• 1:28:03
  60 days, buddy, to get on this track here and you circle a date
• 1:28:06
  and you got 60 days or else you can retire too.
• 1:28:09
  So, you know, you'll be like the guther, you know, out of
• 1:28:13
  wrestling, right? You'll be the one who retires
• 1:28:14
  everybody. There's a, there's a, there's a
• 1:28:16
  set of 4170 Hoosiers, right, not Hoosiers radials right behind
• 1:28:21
  this table. So I'm ready to go very, very
• 1:28:24
  soon. I got to find some stock
• 1:28:25
  springs. I threw mine away.
• 1:28:26
  That's the problem. But anyway, nice you mentioned,
• 1:28:30
  you mentioned growing up watching your Papa and then your
• 1:28:32
  dad and then getting into racing yourself.
• 1:28:34
  My introduction to Cameron Crud was the kid that would come up
• 1:28:36
  and talk trash to my nephew and tell him he's slow in the pits.
• 1:28:39
  So who are some of the other drivers that you were rooting
• 1:28:41
  for outside of your family and outside of the crew that you
• 1:28:43
  hang with now when you were coming up at the racetrack?
• 1:28:48
  Let's see. I know Charlie Hannah was a big
• 1:28:54
  one for you. Yeah.
• 1:28:55
  CC Hannah and Sage Hannah. Let's see who else is there
• 1:29:01
  trying to think here. You wiped them all out.
• 1:29:05
  You wiped them all out for Chris Kane.
• 1:29:07
  Chris Kane's at the at the top of.
• 1:29:13
  Steve Stacy is more OK. Andrew Coats.
• 1:29:19
  Andrew Coats. I see in the chat here that Sage
• 1:29:21
  Hannah covered your mini wedge and glitter one year, huh?
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, yeah. Are you still finding glitter,
• 1:29:29
  by the way? Because glitter?
• 1:29:31
  Take it from a teacher. Glitter never goes away.
• 1:29:33
  Oh yeah, no. We did it one time in my
• 1:29:35
  classroom. I was convinced to do it after
• 1:29:37
  years of protesting. I said fine, we'll do it.
• 1:29:39
  And we still found glitter three years later.
• 1:29:41
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  Never goes away. That'll retire anybody.
• 1:29:46
  Glitter. OK, sorry to interrupt your
• 1:29:50
  train of thought, but glitter and saw how your face reacted to
• 1:29:54
  the glitter. I'm like, I've had that face
• 1:29:56
  before when, you know, I was convinced so many times.
• 1:29:58
  Or not convinced, but bagged glitter.
• 1:30:00
  Can we do glitter? Can we?
• 1:30:01
  No, we're not doing glitter because I know what happens with
• 1:30:03
  glitter. It does not go away.
• 1:30:04
  It comes back. Yeah.
• 1:30:07
  But Andrew Coats? Oh, go ahead.
• 1:30:11
  Honestly, I don't think. Any.
• 1:30:15
  Other the top of my head, right? That's it.
• 1:30:17
  That's it, brother. I was just, I was just trying to
• 1:30:19
  get the rundown on maybe who's some of your other racing
• 1:30:22
  heroes. Were you a NASCAR fan before you
• 1:30:24
  started going to short tracks? Were you short tracks first?
• 1:30:27
  Short track? I love that.
• 1:30:29
  So we talked. We talked.
• 1:30:31
  I don't. Have the patience to I don't
• 1:30:33
  think I have the patience to sit for a whole NASCAR race.
• 1:30:35
  No, but hey, fair enough. I hear that.
• 1:30:38
  So we talked about your mini wedge pass.
• 1:30:39
  We mentioned you got your A feature.
• 1:30:41
  You teased a little bit of maybe we got something exciting next
• 1:30:43
  year if everything works out. But who helps that get you
• 1:30:46
  right? Get to the racetrack now, who's
• 1:30:48
  your team and who's your sponsors?
• 1:30:49
  That helps make the 48 go in circles every weekend.
• 1:30:52
  Honestly, I want to thank my sponsors, card and associates.
• 1:30:56
  Blue Jews bull ring chronicles on key DS X throwing left turn
• 1:31:00
  graphics Ltd irrigation repairs Walter Damn it damn it racing
• 1:31:06
  videos, all the photographers, all the businesses that sponsor
• 1:31:11
  every week Plymouth Motor Speedway to get the drivers in
• 1:31:14
  for free. I know it can be a little pricey
• 1:31:16
  sometimes getting to the track. My my family definitely want to
• 1:31:24
  thank them. My dad, honestly, he the nights
• 1:31:28
  that he has worked the next day, but he's out here till 10
• 1:31:32
  o'clock 11:00 at night working on the car and making sure it's
• 1:31:36
  ready for the weekend. Can't thank him enough for that.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah. Yeah, Cameron mentioned me in
• 1:31:44
  that sponsor list and the reason I I mean, I'm not going to act
• 1:31:47
  like I'm throwing a bunch of money Cameron's way.
• 1:31:49
  I don't have a lot of money to throw Cameron's way.
• 1:31:51
  But I chose to sponsor Cameron and help out a little bit on the
• 1:31:54
  team because I think he's such a good kid.
• 1:31:55
  He has such a good attitude. I think he does things the right
• 1:31:58
  way. He drives clean on the
• 1:31:59
  racetrack. He's with his dad in the shop.
• 1:32:02
  I remember his dad posting a screenshot a few years ago, I
• 1:32:04
  think maybe before even had the Hornet of Cameron cleaning up
• 1:32:07
  the shop one day just to do it. And I don't know, I just, I, I
• 1:32:10
  love a kid that does it the right way.
• 1:32:12
  And yeah, that's why I decided to jump on board with Cameron
• 1:32:15
  Crud. And that's why I asked you to
• 1:32:16
  come on the show today. So keep doing what you're doing,
• 1:32:18
  Cam. I'm proud of you as a sponsor.
• 1:32:20
  I just wanted to get that, get that in at the end here.
• 1:32:22
  So keep doing what you're doing, man.
• 1:32:23
  Thank you. I I also want to throw Chris
• 1:32:26
  Kane, Melissa and Dave and all them for, like I said earlier,
• 1:32:29
  all the lessons they've taught me and the help and yeah,
• 1:32:35
  definitely want to throw them in there.
• 1:32:38
  And it's quite an endorsement from Buju too, because out of
• 1:32:41
  the 19 episodes, you're the 1st guest that he's brought on here.
• 1:32:44
  So that means a lot, right? Because you're the first one
• 1:32:47
  that he's, you know, been able to bring on and recommend.
• 1:32:49
  And so it's like, hey, let's make this work.
• 1:32:51
  I was at Kalamazoo saying does 8:00 work?
• 1:32:53
  Because I knew with Kalamazoo Track Services ahead of you, I'm
• 1:32:56
  like, well, if it's a good conversation, I don't want to
• 1:32:58
  count them off. And I also don't want you just
• 1:33:00
  hanging around going, hey, I supposed to be on at 7:40 and
• 1:33:03
  I'm still here at 8:00 waiting. So so I definitely appreciate
• 1:33:06
  you being able to come on and and and work this in.
• 1:33:10
  One thing I'm wondering, you know, especially as I go to the
• 1:33:12
  mini wedges now up at Kalamazoo and they have Taylor Sexton,
• 1:33:17
  who's their race director and his help coaching them.
• 1:33:19
  And we had Kenny head on here earlier.
• 1:33:21
  Who's the president of that? You know, if you went back to
• 1:33:24
  mini wedge race today, what would be advice that you would
• 1:33:28
  give them now that they can see you as the big car driver?
• 1:33:32
  Like you used to see the Andrew Coats, the Chris Kanes, the
• 1:33:34
  Cordell Davis's and Melissa Keys as the big drivers when you were
• 1:33:37
  a mini wedge racer. What's advice that you would
• 1:33:39
  give to them? Definitely don't go in a Hornet
• 1:33:42
  thinking that you know, just because you did good in a mini
• 1:33:45
  wedge, you're going to go doing good in the Hornet.
• 1:33:47
  It's definitely, you know, you learn stuff in the mini weds,
• 1:33:50
  but it's opposite. You know, it's different in a
• 1:33:53
  Hornet than it is a mini wedge. You know, I'd honestly tell them
• 1:33:59
  everything. Like I said earlier, patience
• 1:34:01
  and how, you know, you can't just go on a race thinking, oh,
• 1:34:06
  I'm I'm going to go out there and win this.
• 1:34:07
  You know, you have to go out there, you know, with
• 1:34:11
  confidence, but also you have to know in the back of your head
• 1:34:13
  that anything can happen and you know you can't like you can't go
• 1:34:18
  out there and then get mad if you get all right, because you
• 1:34:20
  know that's part of racing. You know, you can't go out there
• 1:34:23
  and throw out a fit when you get wrecked because that's it's
• 1:34:25
  going to happen at the end of the day.
• 1:34:27
  You know, you jump and don't and that's going to happen you.
• 1:34:30
  Know and don't and don't do what Chris and Cordell do.
• 1:34:33
  Yeah. Well, I see there was someone in
• 1:34:39
  here who had said something. Oh, Austin Woodcocks, another
• 1:34:43
  good driver to. The Yeah, your your grand, your
• 1:34:45
  grandmother said you forgot Austin Woodcocks on.
• 1:34:47
  Your list of. Drivers that, Yeah.
• 1:34:50
  Yeah, because you notice that you're looking at your wall,
• 1:34:52
  right? Because you probably have hero
• 1:34:54
  cards, something over there that's reminding you of.
• 1:34:56
  So is there a driver who you like to that you watch or that
• 1:35:00
  you grew up watching that you kind of style yourself after in
• 1:35:03
  terms of like racing on the track?
• 1:35:05
  Like, you know, that you saw that maybe they raced a certain
• 1:35:09
  way or they did things a certain way because we always talk on
• 1:35:12
  here. We've talked in the past of how,
• 1:35:14
  you know, you never know who's watching and never, you know,
• 1:35:17
  and obviously the cars are in front of us.
• 1:35:19
  But that doesn't mean you're watching all 16 cars at one time
• 1:35:22
  or 14 cars. Like you might have a favorite
• 1:35:24
  who you're watching. So was their driver who you
• 1:35:27
  know, and you've mentioned a bunch of them, right?
• 1:35:29
  But any of one of those who stands out to you the most
• 1:35:32
  really like I want to be like them.
• 1:35:33
  I want to race like them or I want to, I want to represent
• 1:35:38
  myself like them. Anyone that stands out?
• 1:35:42
  Honestly, I got about two drivers here.
• 1:35:46
  I'd say Chris and back to the Austin Woodcocks him too.
• 1:35:51
  You know, I grew up watching him a lot.
• 1:35:55
  I remember when the straight stocks used to pull out on the
• 1:35:57
  track. I was always looking for Austin.
• 1:35:59
  You know, I like where where is Austin at, but definitely would
• 1:36:04
  have to say those two drivers all.
• 1:36:06
  Right, a couple things from the chat here.
• 1:36:08
  Melissa Keys wants us to ask you what you are.
• 1:36:11
  A retarded race car driver Hey I was I I upgraded to one more
• 1:36:18
  race car driver for one week and.
• 1:36:21
  All. Right.
• 1:36:22
  Tough break, I guess. And then Marcus Vitali, he says,
• 1:36:27
  maybe you don't know Cameron, help Brian learn how to get
• 1:36:29
  around South Bend. First time we were there, he
• 1:36:31
  stepped up and talked to Brian about how he was running and
• 1:36:33
  showed him the fast line around there.
• 1:36:35
  Still grateful. And that's why I'm a camera
• 1:36:37
  recording fan right there. So.
• 1:36:38
  Oh yeah. He's new.
• 1:36:41
  I, I figured, you know, show him, show him the line and
• 1:36:44
  everything that we didn't, you know, give him somebody to talk
• 1:36:48
  to too, because I know he's new. You know, some, some people when
• 1:36:52
  they're in a new environment, they don't want to just go up to
• 1:36:55
  people and just start talking, you know, like be a little
• 1:36:57
  awkward for some people. But I just saw him as new
• 1:37:00
  driver. Figured I'd show him around and
• 1:37:04
  go ahead and talk to him. That's awesome, man.
• 1:37:08
  So if you had to describe like a line that you like, like you
• 1:37:11
  talked about your line and how you hold it and how you know
• 1:37:14
  that you can get better with that, how would you describe
• 1:37:17
  that to somebody who especially somebody who may not know
• 1:37:20
  Plymouth, right? Maybe it's not Racer before or
• 1:37:23
  South Bend, like they know the tracks, but they've never been
• 1:37:25
  there. So like how would you describe
• 1:37:27
  for you like your best line around like a Plymouth?
• 1:37:33
  Nice. Let's see.
• 1:37:39
  I don't want to tell my exact line here, but.
• 1:37:42
  If you had to describe it to somebody.
• 1:37:45
  Probably just, you know, when you're going into the turn, you
• 1:37:49
  want to keep it not in the grass, but you want to get down
• 1:37:52
  there. You know, you want to leave room
• 1:37:53
  in between the gas and the tracks where you're not in the
• 1:37:55
  grass. You don't want to leave enough
• 1:37:57
  room for a car to get under there under you and take that
• 1:38:00
  position from you. But on the outside, you
• 1:38:03
  definitely want to go, I want to say all the way up at Plymouth,
• 1:38:06
  I'd say right above that middle groove, right there on the track
• 1:38:10
  on the outside and just run that.
• 1:38:14
  I thought Hornets like the grass, but that's maybe that's
• 1:38:17
  just elsewhere, I don't know, but.
• 1:38:19
  You definitely feel it when you go on the grass, it don't feel
• 1:38:22
  too nice. Feel that?
• 1:38:24
  Bump and you're like, oh. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:28
  Well, and that's where, like I said, the, you know, we were
• 1:38:31
  catching up with the chat. I'm glad because you got to that
• 1:38:33
  cause with Melissa, Melissa Keys coming in.
• 1:38:35
  And that's something that when I first go started going to South
• 1:38:37
  Bend in 2017 and I started to get to know the drivers,
• 1:38:41
  especially with the outlaw front wheel drivers, the two drivers
• 1:38:43
  that I always look for were David and Melissa at that point,
• 1:38:47
  because they were always put on the battle.
• 1:38:48
  They were always racing. And so and then to learn that
• 1:38:51
  they came from Ileana, where I had also been to Ileana before,
• 1:38:54
  that was really cool. And I'm obviously Melissa does
• 1:38:57
  incredible work with left turn graphics.
• 1:38:58
  She's really built that up and does, I mean, her works all
• 1:39:01
  over. And so that's something that
• 1:39:04
  again, it, you know, those are two people who I have a lot of
• 1:39:06
  respect for, you know, and just what they do.
• 1:39:10
  And those are people who I miss getting a chance to watch now as
• 1:39:13
  I've gone all these other places where I mean, they know what
• 1:39:16
  they're doing. So again, you can't have better
• 1:39:18
  people in your corner, it sounds like, especially with the the
• 1:39:21
  cast or crew who you mentioned. So I want you to think about it
• 1:39:25
  this way with that cast or crew. Let's say we put you all on a
• 1:39:28
  track 1 by 1. It's like a spectator race.
• 1:39:30
  You know who's winning the drag race between you and Melissa
• 1:39:33
  Keys? 3 laps.
• 1:39:41
  I don't know. You can brag them yourself by
• 1:39:43
  the way too. I.
• 1:39:47
  Don't know. I feel like it'd be close,
• 1:39:49
  especially if we're starting side by side.
• 1:39:54
  I feel like it'd be close. I don't, I, I don't know who'd
• 1:39:57
  win that. Be honest.
• 1:39:59
  All right, you and Cordell Fresh talking loud aren't.
• 1:40:06
  You. I don't want to say, is he?
• 1:40:16
  He's too humble. He's a better trash talker when
• 1:40:18
  he was 12 than he is now. Well, think, think about it this
• 1:40:23
  way. Who runs a similar line to you?
• 1:40:27
  That would be a drag race to the line you prefer to run maybe
• 1:40:32
  than someone who's like opposite of you.
• 1:40:34
  Yeah, maybe. Who do you think?
• 1:40:35
  Maybe. Who do you think is you're the
• 1:40:36
  most alike in your group? Maybe that's the question I'd.
• 1:40:41
  Have to say, Chris. That's fair.
• 1:40:46
  I don't want you behind me in the future then because that
• 1:40:47
  means my back bumper is going to get beat off.
• 1:40:50
  Chris came behind you. I've given Chris the finger
• 1:40:56
  before. We're being honest anyways.
• 1:41:02
  That on video too, so you know, but again, that's you know,
• 1:41:07
  that's where you know, 1 you know, credit to the Hornets and
• 1:41:11
  I know you know, Buju and I've had this conversation too.
• 1:41:13
  You know, the Hornet class doesn't get enough respect from
• 1:41:16
  a majority of people, right? It's kind of like the bathroom
• 1:41:20
  break for some race fans where I just went straight stock racing
• 1:41:23
  and it's like, well, the Hornets bring the most cars usually on
• 1:41:27
  most track days and most pit crew and most family like, you
• 1:41:32
  know all that. But to compete in that division
• 1:41:36
  and Northwest Indiana, I mean, that's one of the toughest
• 1:41:39
  divisions in Northwest Indiana to be in, especially that South
• 1:41:43
  Bend Plymouth group, which a lot of them are the same drivers.
• 1:41:46
  You know, they some of them have been racing together for years
• 1:41:49
  and they know, right? But I mean, when Buju was
• 1:41:52
  pretending to be a Hornet driver, the rest of his family
• 1:41:55
  was racing. He pretended to get into the A
• 1:41:58
  feature at one point like that was like minimal difference
• 1:42:02
  between 1st and I even think one time is all the way back to
• 1:42:05
  20th, like it could have shaken down any other way.
• 1:42:08
  So when you think about, you know, when you're competing with
• 1:42:11
  that group and you get a chance to take the track each time.
• 1:42:16
  Do you have any superstitions that you go through that might
• 1:42:19
  help give you the magic sauce to beat a group like that that
• 1:42:23
  you're competing with week in and week out?
• 1:42:28
  Honestly, don't you know I not really you?
• 1:42:33
  Just trap it and go. I, I like to throw in there too,
• 1:42:36
  a lot of people don't really think about it.
• 1:42:38
  You know, these St. stocks and outlaw late models and all that.
• 1:42:41
  They get to do all this set up and stuff.
• 1:42:43
  We only get so much set up. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:47
  They're on Hoosiers and all that, and we're on just the
• 1:42:49
  normal street tires. So in a way, you know, yes, the
• 1:42:53
  street socks and all them are faster and stuff like that, but
• 1:42:57
  we only get so much set up that we can play with.
• 1:43:01
  Legal. It's not as people, it's not as
• 1:43:05
  easy as like some fans would say it is, but yeah.
• 1:43:11
  Well, those that's mostly social media people who've never been
• 1:43:14
  in a car and anything just because they can do I racing
• 1:43:16
  that that makes them a racer. But there's a quite enough and
• 1:43:19
  not saying that I racing doesn't help, right?
• 1:43:21
  That's a very valuable tool that a lot of people use.
• 1:43:23
  But sometimes the ones who are the loudest are the ones who've
• 1:43:26
  actually never ever put on a real helmet with a real fire
• 1:43:29
  suit inside a real car on a real racetrack with real fans in the
• 1:43:33
  stands and real things that can happen, right?
• 1:43:36
  Your car, if you hit the wall, doesn't just spawn and you can
• 1:43:38
  go again, right, Like and that's not knocking.
• 1:43:40
  I racing, like I said, it's a helpful tool and it's a helpful
• 1:43:43
  thing, but sometimes those who are the loudest are the ones
• 1:43:46
  who've never done it and won't ever do it because it's too
• 1:43:48
  expensive, but they don't mind you spending the money to do it
• 1:43:51
  right so. They don't, they don't think.
• 1:43:53
  They just think it, you know, just because they've watched one
• 1:43:56
  race, they, you know, they can go out there and do that, But
• 1:43:59
  it, it takes more honestly, you know, it takes practice and
• 1:44:03
  dedication. Once I've I've learned is from
• 1:44:08
  David Keyes, he says, you know, you don't, you don't win races.
• 1:44:12
  You win races in the garage. You know, you got to make sure
• 1:44:16
  after every week you take the car home, you put on Jack
• 1:44:18
  stands, make sure everything's good.
• 1:44:20
  You know, it's not just take, leave it on the trailer all week
• 1:44:23
  and then go to the track and then expect it to be fast.
• 1:44:26
  You have to take it off, you know, check everything, make
• 1:44:28
  sure nothing broke, make sure everything's still tight.
• 1:44:32
  That's what honestly, that's what wins your races right
• 1:44:34
  there. So what are the things that what
• 1:44:38
  are the lessons you've learned in the garage?
• 1:44:40
  Because sometimes people talk about that too.
• 1:44:41
  It's not so much even the connections at the track that
• 1:44:43
  you have, but it's those moments in the garage.
• 1:44:46
  So what are some things that you've learned in the garage
• 1:44:48
  while you're working away on the car?
• 1:44:53
  Car can definitely be frustrating sometimes honestly,
• 1:44:59
  you know, just learning the work on them.
• 1:45:02
  Honestly, I, I mean, I didn't know much about cars.
• 1:45:06
  I, I knew the bare minimum, but ever since I got into a Hornet,
• 1:45:10
  me and dad been out here working.
• 1:45:12
  I've learned a bunch on these cars, how to work on them and
• 1:45:16
  stuff and put the cages in them and all that.
• 1:45:21
  What's the biggest thing you've learned that maybe you didn't
• 1:45:24
  like going from a mini wedge to the Hornet?
• 1:45:26
  Like what's what? What was maybe one of those like
• 1:45:29
  eye openers as you made the adjustment, you know that you're
• 1:45:33
  like, wait, what? I didn't realize maybe all of
• 1:45:35
  that. Probably, I'll tell you what,
• 1:45:41
  when you're in the Hornet and it dropped the green flag, if that,
• 1:45:44
  if you don't go, that car behind you is going to go.
• 1:45:47
  I'll tell you. That, yeah, especially if it's
• 1:45:49
  Chris Kane. Yeah, that there's some drivers
• 1:45:53
  that you don't go, they'll they'll make you go.
• 1:45:57
  But honestly, just, you know, keeping the mini woods you had
• 1:46:02
  to hold, you know, you had to have a routine like where you're
• 1:46:08
  going to break and all that. But honestly, in the Hornets,
• 1:46:11
  you know, you have to keep your you have to keep in mind where
• 1:46:14
  your breaking points are at going into the turn and where
• 1:46:17
  you're where you're start to get back into the throttle where you
• 1:46:21
  should do all that. And it you definitely had to
• 1:46:24
  think about that when you're in a mini Wedge, but you definitely
• 1:46:27
  got to think about it more when you're in a car, the Hornet
• 1:46:30
  division. I I like I said, I don't.
• 1:46:32
  Know your future plans. But and people just assume that
• 1:46:35
  the radials are easy because they're street tires, but
• 1:46:37
  they're even different from race tires.
• 1:46:38
  You have to handle it differently so that that
• 1:46:40
  learning never stops. Cameron, you learn new stuff
• 1:46:45
  every day, right? Yes, Sir.
• 1:46:48
  So you've been at Plymouth, you've been at South Bend.
• 1:46:49
  What are what other? Tracks have you raced?
• 1:46:52
  Or what other tracks would you like to race at some point?
• 1:46:57
  Honestly, I I'd like to go up to.
• 1:47:01
  Everywhere, to be honest, like I'd say M40, New Paris,
• 1:47:14
  Kalamazoo, all the tracks around, I kind of want to go up
• 1:47:17
  to just try them and you know, 'cause like I said, it's it's
• 1:47:23
  all about having fun at the end of the day.
• 1:47:24
  So if you, if you do good at this track, you know, some
• 1:47:28
  people are like I'm just going to go to this track because
• 1:47:29
  that's the only place I'm good at.
• 1:47:31
  But I think in the back of my mind, you would want to go to
• 1:47:33
  the track you're not good at over and over again just so you
• 1:47:37
  can like try different stuff and see, you know, you don't want to
• 1:47:41
  just go to a track just because you're good at it.
• 1:47:43
  I would want to go to the track and learn how to run that track
• 1:47:47
  and even if you, I'm not good at it first, you know, just to
• 1:47:51
  learn how to run it and hopefully get good at it.
• 1:47:55
  Well, there's tracks that can be frustrating.
• 1:47:57
  I know a lot. Of people talk about Kalamazoo,
• 1:47:59
  I mean. Even Austin Maynard has talked
• 1:48:01
  about his struggles at Kalamazoo, even though he does
• 1:48:03
  well, you know, like Kalamazoo, for instance, where I am every
• 1:48:06
  Friday. That's a tough track for a lot
• 1:48:08
  of people. And I sometimes remind our own
• 1:48:10
  drivers who get frustrated. Like just remember, there are
• 1:48:13
  drivers who have multiple championships or drivers who
• 1:48:16
  have won on the biggest stage like a Bristol Motor Speedway
• 1:48:18
  and other places that come to Kalamazoo and it's a little bit
• 1:48:21
  of a headache, right? Or they just have some monkey on
• 1:48:24
  their back, not because they're doing anything wrong.
• 1:48:26
  It's just, you know, at each track has its own different
• 1:48:29
  talent pool and, and experiences and veteranship and rookie ship
• 1:48:33
  and all these things that you know, you just the more you can
• 1:48:37
  travel and learn, which I know is expensive to do right, but
• 1:48:40
  the more you can go. I mean, that's a really awesome
• 1:48:42
  attitude to have is I don't know if I don't do so well at a
• 1:48:45
  place, I feel like I want to go back just to figure it out.
• 1:48:47
  And and you're right there a lot of people who, who won't do
• 1:48:49
  that, you know, they're going to go where they're comfortable and
• 1:48:51
  it's warm and fuzzy makes them feel good.
• 1:48:54
  And you know, but then you're right too.
• 1:48:56
  If you know, are they missing out then right of getting not
• 1:49:00
  maybe getting better because we're not assuming they're bad,
• 1:49:03
  right? But they're not challenging
• 1:49:05
  maybe themselves to. So yeah, you might get 10th
• 1:49:08
  place, but what'd you learn? Right?
• 1:49:09
  You might get 20th place, but what'd you learn?
• 1:49:11
  And another thing, you can't just go say you go to Plymouth.
• 1:49:17
  And then you go to, let's see you, you go to Plymouth and then
• 1:49:25
  you go to some other track. And you expect to be good at the
• 1:49:28
  other track just. Because you've raced at
• 1:49:29
  Plymouth, it's like that's a whole other track.
• 1:49:31
  You know, you can't expect to be good at a whole other track.
• 1:49:35
  Raced at one track. Oh yeah, Well, and is there.
• 1:49:41
  Anything. You know, let's think about that
• 1:49:42
  challenge, right? Like from so from a mini wedge,
• 1:49:45
  right? You know what's something that
• 1:49:49
  when you think about going to other tracks, because I know
• 1:49:51
  many wedges have. Done.
• 1:49:52
  Like did you ever do the rumble? In Fort Wayne, no, we wanted
• 1:49:56
  wanted to go up there my last year, but.
• 1:49:59
  With the weather and all that, it was, Oh yeah, the weather.
• 1:50:05
  Have you guys run the big track at South Bend yet or is it just
• 1:50:07
  many wedges there? Just many wedges I I haven't ran
• 1:50:11
  big check. Are you running?
• 1:50:12
  You running this year? Why right now, no.
• 1:50:16
  Cameron. Cameron, I need you to I.
• 1:50:20
  Can't. I don't want to bring my main
• 1:50:21
  car there and risk. I hear ya.
• 1:50:24
  Run the enduro car my my enduro car that.
• 1:50:28
  That still needs a lot of work. Done to it.
• 1:50:30
  I need a part for that. I need the K frame for that car.
• 1:50:33
  All right, well, I'm just telling you, you spray out there
• 1:50:35
  July 4th. But all right, I hear ya.
• 1:50:37
  So Booty was going to pretend the race, Yeah.
• 1:50:41
  I'm a yeah, maybe I'm going to be a pretend driver on July 4th.
• 1:50:46
  I want to be out there, but at the end, I hear you.
• 1:50:48
  I get it. You're.
• 1:50:49
  Running for points I get it. I'm not putting pressure on you.
• 1:50:51
  I hear you. Yeah, anyways, I guess I was
• 1:50:58
  like after I realized that I wasn't.
• 1:51:00
  Going to be. Able to run it, I was like.
• 1:51:02
  Upset at first, but I was like at the end they you know you
• 1:51:05
  have to you have to look past just racing at South end.
• 1:51:10
  You have to look at like the things that could happen and all
• 1:51:13
  that to it, especially if you're in points.
• 1:51:16
  I hear ya points races after that, I hear ya.
• 1:51:20
  Well, and that's and that's sometimes why there are times
• 1:51:23
  that drivers. Don't travel around right, even
• 1:51:26
  though they want to, you know, they just because of points,
• 1:51:30
  right? Like if you're in the points
• 1:51:31
  championship, like I know you get some drivers who are later
• 1:51:36
  in their career right now who they don't care about points.
• 1:51:38
  They've done that. They've been there, did that,
• 1:51:40
  you know, and they and it sacrificed a lot of things to do
• 1:51:43
  point racing where, you know, now they travel around.
• 1:51:46
  But then you have others who like, I just want that
• 1:51:47
  championship. Like talking with Colin Bozell
• 1:51:49
  last week, right? Like he's pretty committed to
• 1:51:52
  Galesburg this year because he wants to championship at
• 1:51:54
  Galesburg. He wants to get that street
• 1:51:56
  stock championship. So, you know, I can definitely
• 1:51:58
  understand that sentiment. Like, yeah, it's one race.
• 1:52:01
  It'd be cool because it's South Bend hits historic and we just
• 1:52:04
  don't know if there's a last one, right?
• 1:52:06
  Like we don't know it has a for sale sign on it.
• 1:52:09
  We don't know. But it's not it's that's one
• 1:52:14
  race. But I have a whole season still
• 1:52:15
  ahead of me, you know, So I definitely get that sentiment
• 1:52:18
  too. Like I don't know if things go
• 1:52:21
  South and we have to fix the car or build a new car or whatever,
• 1:52:25
  then the goals that I had are kind of out the door.
• 1:52:28
  So I do get that that's tough, but.
• 1:52:33
  What's a race that you're looking forward to ahead you?
• 1:52:35
  Know, as we get near the top of the hour here and start to wrap
• 1:52:38
  up, you know, what's a race? You know, we got quite a few
• 1:52:41
  people still watching, you know, to come watch you event, you
• 1:52:44
  know, maybe come down and watch you.
• 1:52:46
  What's a race that you have circled on your schedule that
• 1:52:48
  you're looking forward to doing or a night that you're looking
• 1:52:51
  forward to? I don't, I don't know the
• 1:52:54
  Plymouth schedule, so I don't know if they have a big, well,
• 1:52:57
  national compacts are coming up on the 27th.
• 1:52:59
  So I don't know their schedule, you know, so what's a race that
• 1:53:02
  people should maybe circle on their schedule to maybe come
• 1:53:04
  down to the playground? I don't Mark.
• 1:53:10
  Why? I don't really.
• 1:53:12
  Yeah, I don't I. Don't know that the Hornets have
• 1:53:13
  a special down. There this year yeah, just.
• 1:53:16
  Just drew shows then, which would be a.
• 1:53:19
  Run a Hornet. Class for the St. box.
• 1:53:22
  Oh yeah, that's, that's definitely.
• 1:53:25
  One yes. That'll.
• 1:53:27
  Be a good show, Yes Sir, but all.
• 1:53:33
  Right. Yeah, See, I didn't.
• 1:53:34
  Know I I just know Drew's show. Down there this Saturday on.
• 1:53:37
  National compacts will be there. Do you plan to run with the
• 1:53:39
  national compacts at all just to give it a shot?
• 1:53:42
  No, I don't know. Yeah, you, you race.
• 1:53:45
  Friday, though, right? You race.
• 1:53:48
  Friday this week though, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:50
  So yes Sir, there you go. Double header at Plymouth this
• 1:53:53
  week if you're interested in seeing Cameron on Friday in the
• 1:53:57
  national compact touring. Series on Saturday down there in
• 1:53:59
  Marshall. County.
• 1:54:02
  I don't know if I'll do good, but you know, there you go.
• 1:54:04
  So it's all about. Having fun, being patient and
• 1:54:07
  learning. Right.
• 1:54:08
  Yeah, I, I don't know. I don't think we'll.
• 1:54:13
  Do that actually? Cause no, no, no I'm not.
• 1:54:15
  I'm not pressuring for the national compact.
• 1:54:17
  So I'm talking about Friday. You're going to be all right on
• 1:54:18
  Friday. If you want to come see Cameron
• 1:54:20
  on the camera race at Plymouth, check him out on Friday night
• 1:54:22
  this week. What's speaking about that it
• 1:54:26
  It'll definitely be a week. You don't wanna.
• 1:54:27
  Miss cause it's autograph night this Friday.
• 1:54:29
  There you go, another week. You wanna miss?
• 1:54:32
  Do you have? Anything.
• 1:54:34
  Special lined up for Autograph Night.
• 1:54:36
  Like do you do hero cards or do? You do something different, like
• 1:54:39
  I know a lot of people are showing you different things
• 1:54:40
  like like actual goodie bags with like a bunch of stuff in
• 1:54:45
  there. So what do you have planned for
• 1:54:46
  Autograph Night that people can look forward to?
• 1:54:49
  Probably just hand out some candy and autograph cards 6.
• 1:54:53
  Autograph cards, Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
• 1:54:56
  I. You know, it's almost getting.
• 1:54:57
  Like these prom puzzles? And all these things where like
• 1:55:00
  there's a team that I, they had, they spent like $2000 worth on
• 1:55:05
  like merch and all these things they were doing for autograph.
• 1:55:08
  And I'm like, it's getting that far now.
• 1:55:09
  Like hero cards were pretty good, you know, with Ontrac
• 1:55:14
  design does an incredible job with his.
• 1:55:16
  Hero cards and. You know, and so it's like, I
• 1:55:19
  just thought those were like, really awesome.
• 1:55:22
  But apparently you need to spend a lot of money now on here on
• 1:55:25
  autograph nights too. But other than that, Cameron
• 1:55:30
  again. You know, that's where I
• 1:55:31
  definitely appreciate you coming.
• 1:55:32
  On tonight and, you know, taking time to chat with us, you know,
• 1:55:36
  we get, you know, we're, we've been averaging like 2.4000
• 1:55:41
  viewers, like individual watchers, you know, watching
• 1:55:44
  this. So you know, that's a lot of
• 1:55:45
  exposure for your sponsors that you could definitely share out
• 1:55:47
  with them and say, Hey, I was, you know, on the Monday night
• 1:55:49
  rewind, which goes out pretty regionally.
• 1:55:52
  And we have a lot of, a lot of fans who watch from the region.
• 1:55:55
  So I was so glad to get you on here cuz I know Buju just talks
• 1:55:58
  you up a storm. And I'm like, I haven't seen him
• 1:56:00
  since his many wedge days. And that was like 2022.
• 1:56:04
  So it's been quite a few years since I've gotten a chance to
• 1:56:06
  watch you do what you do in person.
• 1:56:09
  So again, I definitely appreciate you coming on and,
• 1:56:11
  and telling your story. And again, there's some sound
• 1:56:14
  bites from this that I might end up pulling out just to remind
• 1:56:17
  people. Patience because you mentioned
• 1:56:20
  that like, that was a purposeful word.
• 1:56:21
  You could tell that's a word in your vocab that wasn't like
• 1:56:25
  fake, right? Like it's authentic, Like
• 1:56:27
  patience. Patience because there's a lot
• 1:56:29
  of people who need that word in their vocab.
• 1:56:34
  So whoever's training you and teaching you.
• 1:56:36
  And they have that as part of your.
• 1:56:38
  Just straight up vocab, thumbs up and kudos because that's you
• 1:56:43
  can tell it's ingrained in you. You mentioned it numerous times.
• 1:56:46
  And so that's when you know it's authentic that you're not just
• 1:56:48
  saying the the word of the day, that you know you're living that
• 1:56:52
  lesson each time you're out on the track doing your thing.
• 1:56:55
  So again, just whoever's I and I know you've mentioned them, but
• 1:56:59
  just kudos to them because I know some of them have been
• 1:57:01
  watching. And then definitely if you're
• 1:57:04
  needing hero card, no on track design, see Jay Fried's on here.
• 1:57:08
  We should get Jay Fried on here at some point.
• 1:57:09
  I don't know if he'd want to come on the Monday night rewind,
• 1:57:11
  but maybe we can get him on here and he could tell all of his
• 1:57:14
  good stories because I know he's been in racing for a long time
• 1:57:17
  and and has just his archive of photos that he's able to post
• 1:57:21
  are just incredible too. So he's definitely someone.
• 1:57:24
  Sibuju, you can work on your second guest.
• 1:57:26
  There we go. You can give Louis a little bit
• 1:57:30
  of a break. You can.
• 1:57:31
  Schedule the next month. But but again, Cameron, good
• 1:57:35
  luck this Friday night at the Plymouth Motor Speedway.
• 1:57:37
  Again, for anyone who wants to go down to the playground of
• 1:57:39
  power. Yeah.
• 1:57:43
  Are you? And did you?
• 1:57:44
  Are you still with Walter? Do you cause your your car?
• 1:57:47
  Looked just like Sage's and and Charlie's one year, didn't it,
• 1:57:50
  if I remember right, Like the mini wedge.
• 1:57:52
  Yep, Yep. So yeah, 'cause that that's that
• 1:57:55
  was the mini. Wedge design that.
• 1:57:56
  Was going through my head is well.
• 1:57:58
  Didn't he just look like Charlie and Sage the one year like
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  almost identical. Oh yeah, again, 22 cool cats
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  that you can't go wrong. With either, so I'm.
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  A big fan of. Charlie and stage, but other
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  than that, I know it's getting late for all of us.
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  And. But again, thank you so much for
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  coming on, Cameron. Yeah, thanks.
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  Oh, yeah. And like I said, you gave me a
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  lot of sound. Bites so while you're on.
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  Here you can. Enjoy the last little bit of the
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  show or you're welcome to if you want to leave yourself.
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  It's OK. We're we're only on here for
• 1:58:26
  like 2 more minutes as I do the final rundown.
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  So again for the Monday night rewind, our 19th episode
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  continue to share out like it. It continues to help us grow and
• 1:58:38
  it's just OK. Short track racing in northwest
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  India, southwest Michigan. Again, earlier today we had Joe
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  Schaefer and Ron Crandall from the Kalamazoo Track services
• 1:58:48
  team who were on for the first hour and they talked about all
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  about track safety, things they've seen, things you can do
• 1:58:54
  as a driver, things for fans to know.
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  And then we just finished chatting up with Cameron
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  Mccradden who races down at the Plymouth Motor Speedway in the
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  Hornet class. Don't forget this Thursday at
• 1:59:03
  7:00 PM we have the Thursday night Throttle where Boosie and
• 1:59:06
  I are back to talk about the upcoming weekend and storylines
• 1:59:08
  heading into the weekend. And then one more reminder.
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  Again, if you're looking for a car detail up here in Bridgeman,
• 1:59:16
  Michigan, definitely take advantage of the ELH detailing
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  offer where for each time you buy a detail, if you, especially
• 1:59:23
  if you have a daily driver and you have a collector car or
• 1:59:25
  whatever it may be, head on over to EH Detailing.
• 1:59:28
  Get it scheduled. Our first one that we will
• 1:59:30
  announce for free detail for anyone who's used the code top
• 1:59:34
  row will be July 13th right here on the Monday Night Rewind.
• 1:59:37
  I'm going to actually try to have Eddie on here to help
• 1:59:39
  announce that. And that's one week after Leah
• 1:59:42
  Dibble and the World of Outlaws will have the first hour on July
• 1:59:46
  6th, I want to say. So we'll we're working on some
• 1:59:49
  World of Outlaw things for that week.
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  So Monday Night Rewind, Leah Dibble will be back.
• 1:59:53
  So one week after Leah Dibble will be July 13th, we'll hand
• 1:59:56
  that out. And then the other one will be
• 1:59:59
  October 12th, just in time for the fall season, especially to
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  get the winter coatings ready because, you know, once October
• 2:00:05
  rolls around, you just never know what you're going to get
• 2:00:07
  weather wise in southwest Michigan and Northwest Indiana.
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  So before we head out, anything again, good for the group.
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  Cameron, thank you for having me again, you know.
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  Michael, I was nervous coming on here.
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  Hey, you didn't see nervous? You did?
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  Yeah, you did good. Good.
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  You did good man. Thank you.
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  I know. As someone who was a guest, my
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  first. Time on here.
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  I know it's awkward. So you did.
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  You did do good. I.
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  Promise you, yeah. That's why we try to do.
• 2:00:38
  I call it a shoot first, aim second.
• 2:00:40
  You know, kind of like. When you might learn the story
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  one day about how George W Bush shot his own, you know, cabinet
• 2:00:46
  member and, and it's all about aim for or shoot first, aim 2nd.
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  And, you know, we try to be relaxed and, you know, not
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  scripted or anything like that. Like, I don't have anything in
• 2:00:55
  front of me for questions. It's just what comes off top.
• 2:00:57
  Buju doesn't, although if you see him in the tower at New
• 2:01:00
  Paris, he has paper literally everywhere.
• 2:01:03
  The one day I almost wanted to mess it up while I was up there
• 2:01:05
  hooking for the sound system. I wanted to he wasn't around and
• 2:01:09
  I'm like, this is so super tempting right now.
• 2:01:11
  But then I'm like, you know, he is a Co host of two shows that
• 2:01:16
  are super popular right now. So it's like you don't you don't
• 2:01:19
  kind of mess with your Co host when but it'd be super fun.
• 2:01:23
  And so lesson to him is probably, you know, I didn't do
• 2:01:26
  it, but that doesn't mean Chris might not pull a joke out.
• 2:01:29
  So you know, I was tempted and I steered the other direction.
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  So just remember that Buju, I could have so messed up your
• 2:01:37
  whole thing, but I'm start taking the notebook with me.
• 2:01:40
  It sounds like your note cards. I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah, I moved
• 2:01:45
  on. I moved on from the note cards.
• 2:01:46
  That was a bad idea on my. Part I'm like, is he getting
• 2:01:49
  ready for the ACT or something up in here 'cause?
• 2:01:51
  It's bad like a nursing student, like that's what a nursing
• 2:01:54
  student, that's what their. Thing would look like.
• 2:01:56
  Is note cards everywhere? So anyways, I all thought myself
• 2:02:00
  the note cards, but yeah, but other than.
• 2:02:03
  That I know it's 9:00. So again, Cameron, thank.
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  You so much for joining. And this is Buju's favorite
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  part. I always get to say it's almost
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  time to turn left and go fast because see you at the races.
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  We'll see everyone. Thank you again.