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Best of the Bus: Michael Bisping On How Prison Changed Him + Winning The UFC Belt · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, well spoken individual, are
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  Speaker 1: so well spoken.
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  Speaker 2: You have a good show on you too.
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  Speaker 3: I keep myself busy. Yeah, you've done a great job
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  Speaker 3: transitioning fight. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as as a former fighter or like
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  Speaker 4: all athletes. I mean, you guys did very well. But
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  Speaker 4: fighters in particularly, it's a hard road, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. And then not a lot of fighters make money,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's only the tip of the iceberg. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about in the UFC. I mean to
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  Speaker 4: get to the UFC. I mean that in itself is
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  Speaker 4: very hard, you know, but to really be able to
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  Speaker 4: retire comfortably, you know, only the only a select few
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  Speaker 4: get to do that, you know, in in any professional sports.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at soccer, right, how many
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  Speaker 4: people play soccer, you know, and how many people get
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  Speaker 4: to actually really make a living. So yeah, retiring as
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  Speaker 4: a fighter still being involved with the sport, commentating in
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  Speaker 4: the UFC, it couldn't have worked out any better.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm a very happy man. Do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: you retired comfortably?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: At the time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I had a great career, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I was able to win the belt, defend
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  Speaker 4: it out some championship fights. You know, I was repping
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  Speaker 4: the UK for a long time as well. So I
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  Speaker 4: had a great career. I had a long run. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: very comfortably. I mean, you can always be more comfortable. Question. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying and over again. Yeah, Dana
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  Speaker 4: always looked after me and I always did very well.
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  Speaker 3: Did Were you doing any of the media stuff while
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  Speaker 3: you were fighting or was that a transition you made
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  Speaker 3: right when you got done.
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  Speaker 4: No, so I was doing it whilst I was fighting
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  Speaker 4: as well. Is this sound okay for you guys? Close enough? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So so you probably know maybe you don't so I
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  Speaker 4: don't see my right eye the yeah, yeah story. So,
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  Speaker 4: so when I started having the I issues, because obviously
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  Speaker 4: you want to be a champion and all the rest
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  Speaker 4: of it, When I started having the I issues and
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  Speaker 4: I was told I was never going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to fight again, and I did carry on fighting, and
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  Speaker 4: I was lying and cheating on tests and all the
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  Speaker 4: rest of it, doing whatever I could, right, But I
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  Speaker 4: was like, this isn't going to last forever. I've got
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  Speaker 4: to figure out I can. I know my door is closing,
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  Speaker 4: the options are going to go away soon. So I
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  Speaker 4: started doing as much of that stuff as I could,
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  Speaker 4: working on Fox Sports at the time, and then started
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  Speaker 4: a podcast and then just whatever else I could do
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  Speaker 4: whilst I still had a platform and whilst people still
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  Speaker 4: gave it that. You know what I'm saying, because when
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  Speaker 4: you desire your old.
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  Speaker 1: News it was if it wasn't for the eye, do
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  Speaker 1: you think you would have had the idea to kind of, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I need to find out some different avenues because as
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  Speaker 1: as athletes, like for me, there was never a play
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  Speaker 1: b you kind of just think I'm gonna play football
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll die on the field your greatest order
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  Speaker 1: to go out that way, not for sure, and that's
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  Speaker 1: always the goal, that's what you want to do.
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  Speaker 4: You got to be single minded to be successful and
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  Speaker 4: to be great at anything, You've got to be lied that.
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  Speaker 4: But of course you'd be a fool not to realize
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  Speaker 4: that there's a life after fighting, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was two thousand and nine I started
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  Speaker 4: doing a little bit of acting and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: I never thought I'd end up doing that, but I
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  Speaker 4: just got offered an acting roll out of the blue,
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  Speaker 4: so I was like, yeah, fucking why not, let's give
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  Speaker 4: it a shot. The next thing, I'm in Austin, Texas,
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  Speaker 4: spent my per day and for the Inside issue. On
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  Speaker 4: the first night with my buddy, we had a great
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  Speaker 4: night out turned the post. I hung over to the mics,
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  Speaker 4: thinking what am I doing here, but then ended up
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  Speaker 4: loving the entire process and done that stuff ever since
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  Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, I mean I always kind of
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  Speaker 4: had part in the pun, one eye on doing other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Nice. Now that's about the legacy.
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  Speaker 3: We were a little birdie totalist that you had a
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  Speaker 3: DJ career DJ mikey Be.
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  Speaker 4: It's nothing to write home about. So yeah, I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 4: I was obsessed with martial arts as a kid, and
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  Speaker 4: then one day I was walking home from work when
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  Speaker 4: I was sixteen, and my buddy had a set of decks.
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  Speaker 4: I went into his house and you know, they were
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  Speaker 4: smoking weed and stuff. I was never a weed smoker,
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  Speaker 4: but I saw the decks and the turntables and I
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  Speaker 4: just thought that was the coolest thing ever at sixteen,
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  Speaker 4: So I stopped doing martial arts and became DJ mikey Bee.
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  Speaker 4: I put all my effort into that, and I had
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of a you know, following or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I did okay for a while, but but you know, nothing,
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  Speaker 4: nothing to write home about.
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  Speaker 2: You know what.
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  Speaker 4: I still spin the turntables a bit for fun when
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  Speaker 4: I'm bored. I might do the occasional set here and there,
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  Speaker 4: but I've hung up the records a long time ago.
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  Speaker 3: You stopped MMA so that you were doing the DJ stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and then I was like, okay, let me get back
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  Speaker 3: into the fighting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well I wasn't doing mm A. I was
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  Speaker 4: doing martial arts. You know, a lot of martial arts
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  Speaker 4: tournaments and stuff. But so yeah, I put all my
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  Speaker 4: efforts into being a DJ. And then I met my
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  Speaker 4: girlfriend who's now my wife, and we had two children,
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  Speaker 4: and then I was like, yeah, I don't think this
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  Speaker 4: is happening, you know what I mean. There were some
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  Speaker 4: pretty rundown venues in the northwest of England, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. We're not exactly talking excess at the wind.
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  Speaker 4: This is not what we're talking about, guys, Vegas. I
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  Speaker 4: don't even know about that. Get to it, Betha, you
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  Speaker 4: know Bezas Yeah, yeah, yeah no. And then when the
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  Speaker 4: kids came along, I was like, what am I doing
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  Speaker 4: with myself? And I was always getting into scraps, you know,
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  Speaker 4: on fights. When I was a kid, I was that
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  Speaker 4: was that kind of guy. And then I actually I
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  Speaker 4: went to prison. I got sent down for twenty eight days.
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  Speaker 4: And it was when I was sitting in the holding
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  Speaker 4: cell waiting to be assigned by cell. I was sitting there,
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking, what is going on? What is how
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  Speaker 4: I ended up here? And I'm sitting in this holding
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  Speaker 4: cell and there's old drug addicts and dead beats around me,
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  Speaker 4: and they're like, look coming up, Dren, went you in
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  Speaker 4: for me?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, don't talk to me, stay away from
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  Speaker 4: I'm not one of you. And I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 4: I've got to make a change. And right then and there,
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  Speaker 4: that's when I kind of got my act together. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually grateful for that judge for doing that, because
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  Speaker 4: I was just reckless and didn't really give a damn.
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  Speaker 2: How do we get in there?
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  Speaker 4: Just I was fighting?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how old are you?
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  Speaker 4: What was I twenty two, twenty three? Something like that.
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  Speaker 4: I was always getting fights. I'm from a small town.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone knows everyone's business. Ever since I was a kid,
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  Speaker 4: I always you know, I was just that kind of kid.
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  Speaker 4: I was always down for a fight, and I was
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  Speaker 4: young and I was reckless, and I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: all fun and games, you know what I mean. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I was very immature, let's.
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  Speaker 2: Be honest, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it really was a wig up calling. It is
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  Speaker 1: what the prison SYSM was supposed to be. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: why need to snap out of it? And it worked
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  Speaker 1: on me one hundred percent, yeah, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I came out of there and never threw
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  Speaker 4: another punch on the street, just decided to start doing
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  Speaker 4: it professionally. But I didn't find my way to mixed
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  Speaker 4: martial arts then because MMA wasn't really a thing. The
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  Speaker 4: UFC existed, but I wasn't a fan. But then my
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  Speaker 4: old to use an old term sense told me all
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  Speaker 4: about the explosion of something called mixed martial arts and
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  Speaker 4: the UFC and in Japan they had Pride and I
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  Speaker 4: didn't even know what it was. I said, can you
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  Speaker 4: make money? And he said, listen to the champions are
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  Speaker 4: making great money, the celebrities in America that they got
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  Speaker 4: getting into acting and all this kind of stuff. So
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  Speaker 4: we said this whole He painted this whole picture, and
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  Speaker 4: I thought, that's what I want. So I signed up
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  Speaker 4: for my first fight three months later, didn't even know
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  Speaker 4: what the sport was, got the knockout. Two years later,
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  Speaker 4: I was on the Ultimate Fire. Won that next minute.
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  Speaker 4: Here we are talking busting in with bussing with the boy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Was that the big break was getting on the Ultimate Fighter?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? For sure, of course, you know, firing on the
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  Speaker 4: regional scene if you will, that's what they call it
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  Speaker 4: in the UK. I mean, I was the Cage Warriors Champion.
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  Speaker 4: I was a cage Race champion. I was the what
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  Speaker 4: was it any promotion that was in the UK. I
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  Speaker 4: was the champion of as well as the super heavyweight
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  Speaker 4: kickboxing champion. I used to be a bit of a
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  Speaker 4: fat bastard, so yeah, I mean, so then they came
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  Speaker 4: to the UK looking for two guys to be on
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  Speaker 4: The Ultimate Fight to season three, and then we had
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  Speaker 4: these open auditions and had the auditions all the other
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  Speaker 4: people in my weight class. I knocked them all out,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I was kind of
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  Speaker 4: confident that I was going to get it. And then
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  Speaker 4: of course I'm allowed my mouth piece of shit as well,
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  Speaker 4: So you want to better drama? So yeah, yeah, there
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  Speaker 4: you go. How was The Ultimate Fighter structured?
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  Speaker 1: Then? Was everybody in the same house. Still, was it
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  Speaker 1: kind of a reality TV show to go with it
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  Speaker 1: as well?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, absolutely, And I loved it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: come on, listen, never been to America. They're going to
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  Speaker 4: fly me to America. I'm sitting in a big, beautiful
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  Speaker 4: mansion with a bunch of guys. We're getting paid to
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  Speaker 4: train and work out. And you walk in and being
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  Speaker 4: coached by Ts and Ken Shamrock and day in a
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  Speaker 4: whites there. I'm like, shit, this is it. This is
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  Speaker 4: really happening. And a lot of people on the show
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  Speaker 4: they were there for the fifteen minutes of fame, you know,
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  Speaker 4: But I was. I was there to kick some ass
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  Speaker 4: and win, you know, and fortune early with a bit
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  Speaker 4: of luck, that's what I was able to do.
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  Speaker 1: So when you go to when you go through the
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  Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter and you get that bid to go in
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  Speaker 1: the UFC, you said earlier you were really a fan
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  Speaker 1: of UFC.
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  Speaker 4: When did you become like this is this organization? Really?
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't that money in his pocket? This is not?
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  Speaker 4: Actually yeah, it was a fast I just didn't even
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  Speaker 4: really know it existed. I remember I was a World
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  Speaker 4: Championships in nineteen ninety five when I was sixteen and
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  Speaker 4: we were staying in a youth hostel in Auckland, and
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  Speaker 4: I remember in the kitchen in the youth hostel, they
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  Speaker 4: were all watching I think it was like UFC two
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  Speaker 4: or three or something. And I wasn't really interested, not
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  Speaker 4: because I wasn't a fan. I was just, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was a kid and whatever, and I was too
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  Speaker 4: busy going out with my friends and partying and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But as soon as I knew there was a viable
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  Speaker 4: career option, and I knew I was getting older and
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  Speaker 4: I'd been in trouble with the law and I left
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  Speaker 4: school at sixteen, I was like, this is probably the
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  Speaker 4: only way I'm going to make something out of my life,
• 9:19
  Speaker 4: you know, because I always said, like, you know, getting
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  Speaker 4: on your lecturer's high horse. But everyone's good at something,
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  Speaker 4: everyone's got a skill. And I remember I remember my
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  Speaker 4: supervisor at the time at work. I was working at
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  Speaker 4: this sofa factory, just like making couches and stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: he said, what are you going to do for the
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  Speaker 4: rest of your life? Michael? He said, you want to
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  Speaker 4: do this? I said, no way, And he said, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you think about it. Because I walked into
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  Speaker 4: this factory thirty years ago, and it flown by light
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  Speaker 4: that I said, you're still a young man. So I
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  Speaker 4: started thinking. I said, what am I good at? What
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  Speaker 4: am I good at? And I've always been good at fighting.
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  Speaker 4: I was always good at martial arts. I was always
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  Speaker 4: in street fights. I'm ashamed to say now, but I was.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I was very it's successful. Let's just put
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  Speaker 4: it like that without sounding like a quick So I
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  Speaker 4: said to him, I'll never forget. I walked up to
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  Speaker 4: him and I said, Mick, Mick, I said, I figured
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  Speaker 4: out what I'm going to do. And he takes his
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  Speaker 4: he's got his two belts on. He takes his two
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  Speaker 4: belts off, and he walks off, rubbin his hanse come
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  Speaker 4: on because he was kind of like a mentor, and
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  Speaker 4: he's like, okay, what's the plan. I said, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to be a professional fighter. And he was like, oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, I thought you were a smart kid. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: just me, I know what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway to make the call back to him, like hey.
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  Speaker 4: Clean enough. I was googling him last week because I
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  Speaker 4: was talking about this to my wife, about Mick Killeen.
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  Speaker 4: But no, no, I don't. I don't know what happened
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  Speaker 4: to him. Well, you know, I don't think I had
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  Speaker 4: as much of an impact on him as he had
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  Speaker 4: on me. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it. You know that
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  Speaker 4: these people come into your lives that can make a
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  Speaker 4: big impression and they might not realize it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like a teacher to a troubled high school kid or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: You've had a lot of incredible fights, like what lost
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  Speaker 3: pisses you off the most?
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  Speaker 4: Or what lost? None of them? To be honest, none
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  Speaker 4: of them pissed me off. I mean I'm forty four
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  Speaker 4: now so and I've been midsized twenty eighteen, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't spend I don't keep myself up at night
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  Speaker 4: stewing over them. But what passed me off?
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  Speaker 2: Which one had the most residual effects?
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  Speaker 4: Been times past? Yeah, yeah, I don't again, good question.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the Vanderalaier silver Fire was bullshit. I won
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  Speaker 4: that fire, I was robbed, and yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing really makes me mad, But you're digging deep into
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  Speaker 1: the you know, fuck Vandalai.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, yes, that one, I guess because Vandalai is
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  Speaker 4: a legend of the sport, and he was actually one
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  Speaker 4: of the guys that when I started discovering what MMA was,
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  Speaker 4: I saw vanderlay files. Oh my gosh, this guy's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Look at this guy, and I wanted to be like him.
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  Speaker 4: And then so to fire him was a big deal,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And I thought I won the fight, but whatever,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't go my way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had all the training videos where he's like
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  Speaker 3: training with the snorkel and ship right.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, he did a lot of he did a
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  Speaker 4: lot of steroids as well. You know, they're the ones,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, the Vito belfour one. Obviously
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  Speaker 4: I lost an eyeball through that because he's a cheating
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  Speaker 4: piece of ship, you know, so I guess there's a
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  Speaker 4: few can go fuck himself. He was like every performance
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  Speaker 4: enhancing drug under the sun. I love Jail. He's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's malthy too, Like.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I could have he never did because we
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  Speaker 4: were both fighting on the same card, but we had
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  Speaker 4: different opponents. And then for whatever reason it's a long story,
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  Speaker 4: somebody drops out, so they rejiggled the card and I
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  Speaker 4: was fighting Jail and this was like ten days before
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  Speaker 4: the fight, so we didn't really have time to turning
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  Speaker 4: him to manifest or to brew. You know, there was
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  Speaker 4: no bad feelings, couldn't you know arise? It was like
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  Speaker 4: before we knew it. We were in Chicago, were stepping
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  Speaker 4: on the scale, remember our square up to jail on
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  Speaker 4: the ways, and you know you're trying and do your bit,
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  Speaker 4: like you get in his face and yeah, fucking dead
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  Speaker 4: that type of stuff. I'm in there because I always
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  Speaker 4: used to give not give him a head, bob, but
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  Speaker 4: just like a little just a little touch, you know,
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  Speaker 4: because you're trying to insert your last minute dominance, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And ChIL just said, what colonna are you wearing? You
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  Speaker 4: smelled delightful? Son of a bitch? You talk about these
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  Speaker 4: dudes taking PD steroid stuff like that?
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  Speaker 1: Was it easy when you got your hands on guys
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  Speaker 1: to feel like, Okay, you got something going on?
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  Speaker 4: Extra do you don't what? To be honest, there's only
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  Speaker 4: one fire that I ever felt overpowered in, even though
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  Speaker 4: I know for a fact I fought a lot of
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  Speaker 4: guys that were using because for a while there was
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  Speaker 4: to sell strong replacement therapy, which was legal. They were
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  Speaker 4: allowed to do that if you went to a doctor
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  Speaker 4: and the doctor signed off on it. There you got
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  Speaker 4: boom you were in and I've never taken anything in
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  Speaker 4: my life, but even still there was I guess Vito
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  Speaker 4: was like ridiculously powerful and explosive with his striking. But
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  Speaker 4: when we clanched up or anything. There's only one guy
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  Speaker 4: that I thought, who's called Matt Hammill. That was a
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  Speaker 4: death fighter that warped my ass in round one. And
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: I was like a little school boy with him. But
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: he was on steroids or anything like that. He was
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: just a good old forem boy.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: That give me a good old ass kickid God bless him.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: Wasn't just the testa like the TRT that was like
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: the issue, like what what?
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: How was everybody? How people able access as so much?
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: I have no idea, I have not I'm not an
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: expert on that stuff, but it was rife. I know
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: it was everyone. You know, everyone's aware with that because
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: the drug testing back then was kind of like an
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: IQ test. You know, now we have what we had,
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: you Sawa, we have another program now where the show
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: randomly the tests you and you know he's very in
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: depth and very safe. Back then, it was not all fights.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: The main event. Maybe the Colemane. You had to take
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: a piss test after the fight.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: So if you're smart enough, you know how to cycle
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: it and get it out of your system. But I
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: was always so young and confident. I was like, I
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: don't give a shit, I don't care whatever.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get him.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Anyone ever thought about it, well, I'm taking anything right,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: like trying to figure out what?
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Never. I remember when I was coming up in the UK,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: you know it, The UK scene back then was like
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: the wild West, trust me, like, you know, anyone involved
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: in mixed martial arts back then the world gangsters and
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: drug dealers and thugs and whatnot. You know, it wasn't
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: the professional scene it is now, let me tell you.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: And there was a lot of people all taking steroids
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: on my team and stuff like that. But in my mind,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I was always like, well, number one, I don't want
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: to do that. I don't need to do that. But
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to the UFC. I'm not here to be
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: a tough guy in my hometown. I'm going to the UFC,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: and I don't want to test positive and get banned,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So, and of course, ethically, ethically,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: of course you.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Know with the ethically part, but everybody's doing it. It's
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: got to be hard like baseball, and how do you
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: keep it secret to like you know, dudes are taking it.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like this guy like that lancet arm
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: showing where you realize like literally every cyclist was on
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: something Like he was just a guy who was like you.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're defeated, and this is the thing that
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: you'll see like eliasa Porius fighting next week and you
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: have two nine eight and he is bringing with confidence.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: He's talking about knocking Bolkanovsky in one round and how
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: he's not even going to be a fight, because that's
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: how you are when you're undefeated. Like I was smoking everybody,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: you know, I was knocking everyone out in the first round,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: and you know, I didn't really have a fight, And
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I was like the fucking you know, because when you're undefeated,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: you literally feel like no one on earth can beat you,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: and it's just what it does to you. And every
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: time you compete and you win, that is that that
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: that mindset is further solidified. So I was like, well,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: help me knock yourself out, give me the best shot.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: You know, until you start getting knocked out yourself eyes
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: and dribbling, you know what I mean? Doing this dumbling word.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, doesn't change your game, like when you first got out.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Who was the who was the first of the video
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: was the.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Show Henderson UFC one. So we coached the Ultimate Fighter
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: passion Yeah, no, no, listen for a player was on
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: testasrow replacement therapy. That's noted and in the books it's true.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: It's true. No, No, God blessing me got me good
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: because we coached the Ultimate Fighter. I talked a ton
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: of shit because Dan Henderson is literally like watching pain dry,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: So somebody had to make that show exciting and interesting
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: to watch. And his's a bit of a prick, so
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: that made it easy. So I talked a bit of ship,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: as I do, and it was stewed from the whole
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: UK versus US a thing and seventeen seventy six. And
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: he was the good old fashioned, hardworking, quiet American boy
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: that's going to come and fuck me up. That's exactly
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: what I was. That's what he did. My god, it was.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: It was the biggest show the USC had ever done,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: and I got knocked out in the most spectacular and
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: then it flies through the airs. I'm already unconscious and
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: gives me another one. But good times, good times. You know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: you learn lessons. It is what it is.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: What was it like winning the belt? The adrenaline when
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you were finally like.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously an incredible experience when I won
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: the belt. After I knock him out, I jump on
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: top of the cage and I turn around and a
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: point I said fuck you. But that wasn't really at
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Louke Rockhold. That was everyone that wrote me off, everyone
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: that talk shit, everyone that wrote articles in the media,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: everyone online that said he could never do it. He's
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: a good fire, but he's not a great fighter. He's
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: not championship material. And they always said that all along,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: and every time I got a win, they always said
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: it was a fluke or whatever. You know, they didn't
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: know how hard.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I was working.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: So that's that was that pure emotion coming out there,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't directed at Luke, poor guy. It was
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: directed at all the naysayers, of which there was many.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Right, it makes a competitor, is all those little chirps
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: trying to prove some moment, everything personal one way or another. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like oh they said this, and me think it's the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: worst thing ever.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Very emotionally immature.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You're finally like getting out of the fighting ring and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: going into the media, Like, was there ever a process
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: for you where you've been a fighter your whole life,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: whether it's been professionally or non professionally, and now you're
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: going into something completely different, Like was there a piece
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of your identity that you're like, Ah, I feel like
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I'm losing something of myself.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: No, not really, because honestly, I feel like that fights
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: a version of myself. I guess if I you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: he's still in there somewhere, but I'm a different guy
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: these days completely, you know. I mean I was, you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: it was definitely a personality flow. When I was younger,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I was always getting into fights, and that kind of
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: became my identity, my badge of honor. That's who I was.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: And when I was younger, that's kind of like how
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I ended up getting friends and being popular and hanging
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: out with the cool guys and stuff, so only further
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: reinforced it being this bad boy image, if you will.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: And then when I got to the UFC, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I guess again it's it's making me money, it's making
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: me famous or whatever. But now, I'm ma sure, I've
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: grown up and I'm certainly not fighting anymore, and that
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: kind of version of me is it doesn't really exist anymore.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't find myself being combative at all. You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I still work, I'll still train every day. Like for example,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: there's been two occasions recently where I have been assaulted
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: in the streets and done nothing about it, full on
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: punched in the face. And I could I could have
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: made minskya these two hour souls. Just I was in
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: New Orleans. I was in New Orleans. I was in
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: New Orleans and I'm walking down Bourbon Street. I've never
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: been there before. I don't want to go back. Burbon
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Street is a shithole. No offense I associated. I got assaulted,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And then with my wife
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: and there's a bunch of young guys like playing on
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the upside down buckets and playing drums and stuff. So
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I'm doing a little touristy thing. I'm filming a little
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Instagram story. This guy gets in my face is that
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: you can't film. I'm like, yeah, I can. It's a
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: it's a public place, and I carry on film. He says,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: your anger, I tell you again, you can't film. I'm like, yes,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I fucking can, and I carry on film and he
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: gets right in my face. I said, sog, my fucking dick,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: and he just goes fair play to him, fair play,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: fair play, shuk my fucking dick, and he just went
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: boom and punched me. I was there with my wife
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and my youngest son, who was he like ten at
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the time or something. But the punch was so pathetic.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: It literally my reaction. I laughed my head off. This
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: is not me trying to sound tough. It literally was
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: like ding and I just I said, what was that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I said, did you just punch me in the face?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I said, is that? I said? You come up and
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: you talk all that ship and you punch me in
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: the face, and that is what you have to offer.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I said, come on, Adam, I was laughing my head off.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: So we just walked away. What did you do? Because
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: he had a swing and kind of get ready. So
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I have a YouTube channel and my most watched video
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: is because because I do a podcast as well, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: this guy put a video out because he found out
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: who I was afterwards, So I took his footage and
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: used it, integrated it onto my video. It's my most
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: watched video. But his version of events is exactly the
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: same as mine. It's exactly the same. He didn't lie,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? I told him to
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: start filming and he wouldn't film, so he told me
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: to suck his dick. So I punched him in the face.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I'm like, say, I told you. And then recently I've
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: never spoken about this before I was. I was. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: was back home in Clever, Or where I'm from, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I was at dinner with my mom, who's almost eighty
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: years old. She can't walk, she's on crutches, and with
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: my sister, she's got a newborn baby. So beautiful summers. Now,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: it's about twelve of us, a very nice family atmosphere.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: It's a five thirty PM and I'm sitting there and
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: these guys walking, I said, guys sixty years old, old,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: drunk bombs walking, Hammad drum and one of he just
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: walks over to me.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: He says, you don't remember me, do you?
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: And like, whenever I go back, there's always old faces
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: that I can't remember the names. Well, hello, good to
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: see yeah, I said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: to see you said you don't remember, do you. I said, oh, well,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I don't remember your name, but yeah, your face is familiar.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: He says, no, let me give you a reminder. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I've got a scar between my eyes where I've got
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: a big metal stool smashed in my head when I
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: was about seventeen, and then twenty guys jumps on my head.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: He says, look at that you're scar between your eyes.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I did that, I said, right, I said, I think
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: you need to walk away. So he goes away, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: they sit down the other side of the restaurant and
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: it comes to the end of the night. I'm paying
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: the bill and I'm standing by the front door, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: then they walked past again and they start talking more shit.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I said, what are you doing? I said, here, I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: don't know who you were. Donor remember it. This was
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven, by the way, do you know what
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I mean? We've all moved on with our line. I say,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: he'd at least know like what you became. Well he did,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: that's what he doing it. So anyway, as I'm talking
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: to one guy, do the guy sucker punches me and
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: he has a ring gun explose my nose. Do you
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, and then as he hates me,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: he falls on the floor right and they just hammered drunk,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: and I'm standing there and I'm just like, God, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: could suck him up so easily right now, but I
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: just didn't do anything, didn't do anything right because I'm
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: not doing that. I'm not lowering myself to that. I'm
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: not coming back to my hometown where he used to
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: always be getting in fights. And they say he's, oh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Michael Bisbee's back. He's only been back two minutes. He's
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: already getting into fights. Do you know what I mean?
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not perpetuating now. I know who this guy is
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: because I was not just that. I'm not that guy anymore.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: That was the whole point of this. I'm not that
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: guy anymore.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You know whin in your mind did it shifted. I'm
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: not going to be that guy anymore.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not there when I was in prison, but still
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: when I was fighting.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I was younger, yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: But when I retired, because I see myself back on
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: old like old promos and stuff, and I'm like, oh God,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: he's that guy. He's that guy, you know what I mean.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like Jesus Christ, So how did your mom react
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: to that. Well, they could have believed I walked it on.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: My nose was all bloody, and they were like, what
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: just happened? You're only paying the bill. Drama follows you everywhere. Yeah, yeah, no,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: my mom's she's seen it before. Yeah, she's seen it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: When you when you're retired, was there thought of you?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: There was there a part of you. It's like I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: want to retire, but I want to go out with
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the wind. I want to go out on top, not
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: on top, but I want to go out with the wind.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Absolutely of course. Yeah. Because I was going to fight
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: again as well against Wishard Evans. We were going to
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: have a rematch, but for one reason or another, it
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: never happened. And then an old friend of mine said
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: to me as well. He said, he said, Michael, what
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: are you doing? And I said well, and then my
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: manager already as well. There was a few people. I said, well,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I want to go back to London. I want to
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: fight the old two Arena one last time, and I
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: want to thank the audience and I want to have
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: that moment where you take your gloves off and you
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: put it down and you thank them the crowd, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: thank you for all the support over the years and
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: all the rest of it, and it was already Actually,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: my manager, he's like your romance in that in your head,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: He said, you've got one eye. You want to go blind.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: You want to risk going blind because the fight before that,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: when I fought Gelvin Gasolm because every time, because I
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: used to cheat the tests. Okay, they're not that hard
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: to cheat if if you're a little scallywag like eye
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: was growing up, they're not that hard to cheat, right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: But the doctors used to always say, you know, you've
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: been very you know, risky still fighting because if anything
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: happens to you a good eye, you know, you could
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: go blind. I was like, yeah, it's fine. And I
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: was like, well, line is not going to strike twice.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: That was my logic, right, It's already happened in one eye.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: The odds of that happening on the second eye is minimal.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: It's not going to happen. But when I got knocked
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: out in China, afterwards, we went to a nightclub and
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: we're sitting in there and my eyes just kept going flashing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Every time I look left, it would give a flash,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: and I thought, oh my god, I remember the symptoms
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: when I had the detached rettin of the first time.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: So that was why, you know, I kind of wasn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: going to fight again. But then I wanted that that
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: send off, you know what I mean, he reminded me.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I said, what are you doing? You want to go blind?
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: He said, for what? Some some idea, some theory that
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: you've got in your mind. This this whole big romantic
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: send off. He said, you're being stupid. I thought, you
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: know what, You're absolutely right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Do you have any more? Yeah? I do.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a cheeky question, kind of
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you just go on clip or whatever. But I've seen
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: how the UFC is today. If you were picking out fighters,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: if you were in your prime again, who were the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: guys that you would love to crack at fighters right
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: now today?
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I used to train with him a lot.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Sean Strickland would be easy, works a lot of sogna.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I'm joking, by the way, Sean Strickland's a lot of
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: son your Driggs DUPLESSI. Who else is in the top five?
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Give me all of those? You know, I wouldn't want
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to go up. Tom asked me, no, fog, that was
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: that the size of him. I know you're a big boy.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, whoever wins that fight between Jones and Steepey,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: they should retire because they're gonna get their asswarped, simple
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: as that. And I love Jones and I love Steepey,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: and I've got so much respect. Look at what he
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: did to Pavlovitch. And I was saying this coming into
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: this fire, and DC was like, what are you doing?
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: What are you talking about? You know, He's like, you're
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: kissing this guy's ass. I'm like, no, I'm basing this
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: off what I see. And he went out and he
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: did it again, and I don't see anybody stopping him.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: With all these uh, with all these fight leagues coming about,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: do you think any other league has a shot to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: compete with the UFC at any point?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Probably?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Not.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: You know, there's always new iterations. There's always people want
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: to come up and do things differently and change the
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: rules and tweet this and that. You know, I don't
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: think so. I mean, it's it's the household name.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know much about football. You got
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: the NFL, what the XFL?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I ever going to accomplish? Really competing like, what is it
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: called the PFL.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You get the PFL, Let me have a CFL pfil
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: knocks about the UFLF for the fighters profile everything.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Or the FC of the oops. You know, no, no not.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Because based on like the fighter pay and the the well,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: it's always.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: What happens from my knowledge is that they try and
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: poach away other UFC fights by paying them exorbitant amounts
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: of money that they're not necessarily worth. Sometimes, but in
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: the UFC, there's no better place. If you can become
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: champion and you get pay per view points, that's what
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: you're going to make the most money, you know. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I always get accused of being a company man. Well
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I am a company man and I'm proud to be
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: so it changed my life, you know, I changed my
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: life one hundred percent. And you'll notice that the people
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: making good money, the creme de la creme, the people
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: are that they're not bitching, they're not complaining because the
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: money is there, you know. I mean, look at Connor
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: McGregor for crying out loud and granted he's like, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: he's kind of like a unicorn, if you will, But
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: there's any of other people that are making very very.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Good livings or do you like Chandler McGregor.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Probably Chandler. Let's be honest. You know, McGregor's has been out,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: it'll be almost four years by then. He's made so
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: much money, and the motivation probably isn't there, you know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: And he likes to party. Yeah, and why not after
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: God bless him? Hey, you enjoy yourself. He's done it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: He come in, he changed the game, won the belts,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: made the money. We're boys and Michaels gonna be good
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: to hear that. Yeah, no, no, of course you are. Yeah, no,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I love Chandler as well. Listen, what else has McGregor
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: got to prove? The only the only reason he still
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: wants to fight is because you can have all the
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: money in the world, but you can't buy a championship
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: in the UFC. And and as all fighters, we operate
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: on ego and we want to say we're the best,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: we're the toy. And he goes back to as I
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: was saying before, but me always getting in fights. I
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: wanted to be the baddest motherfucker around. I wanted to
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: be the toughest guy. And it's the same ship, it's
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the same yard stuff that we're all fucking doing. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: we're professional fighters. They want to be the toughest and
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: the hardest and the baddest guy. And McGregor wants that,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: and he's trying to prove that he still is. You know,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: that's why you're coming back. And he's respect from the
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: fight community and the only way you get that is
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: by fighting. You can't buy that. So fair play to
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: him for still trying, you know what I mean. But
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: he doesn't need to.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Man, thank you for coming on. This is
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: all the time in here.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Energy was high his careers after it was the reason
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: why you're successful. And media, I'm quite tired as far
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: as YouTube show everything. Where can we find yourself?
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I don't really like to do that because you just cringe.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I've cut myself out of the but you know, just
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: check it out, Google it. I'm not doing it, guys.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: You can find me on the you know, nah, I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: not doing it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Fucking google it, you know, you know, you know he's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: been in front of the camera bike Michael's Bisbee Show. Subscribe,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: make sure you subscribe.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Believe you med podcast and just just just google it. Yeah, yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: thanks are coming to appreciate your brother guys. Thank you
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: very much.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Man that was lost
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Hmm.