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Brandon Holthaus: Christians Building A Coalition Of Support For Israel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, you're in for a treat today.
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  Thank you for tuning in, watching, listening, and sharing Pastor Brandon Holthouse's back
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  with us.
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  And you can get info on him at his church, which is rock, harbor, church.net, rock, harbor,
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  church.net.
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  Also, tip of the spear ministry.com, tip of the spear ministry.com, you can find them on
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  YouTube.
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  There's a lot of great videos, a lot of great interviews, and we'll bring them in right
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  now.
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  We don't want to waste any time, want to hear about his Israel trip and some eye opening
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  things.
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  Good to see you, brother.
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  Thanks for your time again.
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  Good to be with you again, man.
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  Always enjoy my time with you.
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  Yeah.
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  Praise God.
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  We here, you have a conference coming up at your church in early October, tell us about
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  it.
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  Yeah.
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  It's called reawakening, or awakening the church in times of apostasy, and we're going
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  to have it on Saturday, October 4th here at Rock, Carburn, Bakersfield.
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  And we're going to have a great cast of speakers, you know, Steve Dase, Carl Tykrib, we're
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  going to bring in Tom Pester, Tom Hughes.
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  We're going to be bringing in Alex Newman, and then myself, we're going to be speaking.
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  And we're trying to reengage or awaken the church back into being salt and light.
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  So many issues are going on.
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  The church is just checked out and they're not involved.
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  And we're losing our culture, David.
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  And I'm afraid if we continue down this path, we're going to lose the entire west to paganism,
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  and so I'm sure you're very much aware of it, and your audience is aware of it about
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  the disengagement of the church, so we're trying to reinvigorate it.
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  Thank you, brother.
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  We are kindred spirits.
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  I swear, over on the church Facebook page, you've got a link to it.
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  Someone posted that, and it leads to a rumble posting.
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  And now will it be live streamed as well?
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  Yeah.
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  Obviously, people can come in person, but live stream is going to be available for folks,
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  and they can pay a minimum fee.
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  I don't know what the fee is on that yet, but it'll be there.
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  And they can register and hopefully be blessed and being encouraged, because a lot of
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  people are discouraged, David, because they see their church not in the fight.
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  They want to be in the fight against this new paganism that we're seeing.
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  And they're leaderless.
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  I was just in Sacramento, where the throne of Satan is in Sacramento, and we were trying
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  to protest 8B495 about parental rights and whatnot.
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  And obviously, there was a lot of grassroots Christians there, but it was a handful of
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  pastoral leaders, and that's it, and we're like, what is all the pastors?
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  So we're just trying to reinvigorate this and say, hey guys, America's at the crossroads.
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  The West is at the crossroads.
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  If we don't reengage and be the salt and like God's told us to do, we're going to lose
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  it.
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  I don't know about you, David.
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  I don't want to live in a new pagan society where a man, they tell me a man could have
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  a baby.
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  I don't want to live like that.
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  Well, we're already there, but actually not living as a whole society, but yeah, I know
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  what you mean.
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  And we're not surprised.
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  I don't think anybody in this audience or your audience at tip of the spear ministry
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  is surprised that there weren't that many churchmen, men of God pastors at an event like
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  that at the Capitol in California there.
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  But I want to mention before we dive into our next topic, by the way, we're going to
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  talk more about that.
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  We're doing another show with Pastor Brandon.
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  But friends, if you want to check out David Bowen's podcast with us, we just did one
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  with him a couple of days ago.
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  What I learned on the ground with the IDF in Israel, and I'm telling you this for a reason,
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  go to worldviewmatters.tv and type in David Bowen, B-O-W-E-N.
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  Pastor Brandon, why am I mentioning David Bowen on a podcast with you?
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  Yeah, because David's a great friend of mine.
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  I got to know him fairly well, and he's one of the other pro-Israel pastors like myself.
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  And as you know, we've, I think we've talked about this in the past.
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  We are very pro-Israel, and we have boots on the ground there in Israel.
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  We have an office there.
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  We have a place where we stay, a permanent place.
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  And we are taking teams constantly, almost on a monthly basis now since October 7, 2023,
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  of supplying the IDF and supplying the families of the IDF with their needs and providing
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  mental health, like PTSD stuff, training, and even family counseling for what's going
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  on with the IDF reserves.
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  And we've been doing that at a steady pace, and what we're trying to do is build a coalition
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  of pastors that are really pro-Israel, not just saying they're pro-Israel and name only,
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  but actually willing to put some skin in the game and help us protect the IDF with buying
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  drones, knee pads, helmets, bulletproof vests, helping their families out because they
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  haven't worked.
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  And so, David was one of the pastors we brought on this last trip, and we brought other
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  pastors as well from the different parts of the country to get his department with us
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  because there's an enormous need over there.
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  There's about 300, 350,000 reservists.
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  They don't have all the equipment, and that's shocking, but this is what we have discovered.
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  So we have a pipeline over there that we do factory direct.
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  If they need knee pads, helmets, whatever, drones is a big thing, thermal imaging, a night
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  vision, those types of things are life savers, especially the drones.
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  So what we do is we take these pastors over there, and we show them what we do, so there's
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  a buy-in.
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  So they understand where their money is going, and if they solicit donations, this is
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  how we do it.
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  And we take them around, they go to the units, they see the units that we're supporting,
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  they meet the soldiers, and they get a face with the name that here's the unit 66 who
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  we support.
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  We go in there, give them the supplies, and they're right on the ground seeing that.
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  And so, it is a unique ministry, it's an open door, and we're trying to build a coalition
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  of more and more pastors.
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  And if there's pastors out there that can contact us that are interested in that, and we'll
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  bring them on our trips, and show them this is what we do.
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  So we have a permanent location there now, we are firmly set to help Israel.
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  That's awesome.
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  I love the fact that I don't want our audience to miss that you said you have an office
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  there.
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  When you told me before we got on the podcast that some Christian ministries have pulled
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  up, pulled out because it's too dangerous.
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  Brother, I commend you for what you're doing, and I want you to respond to that in a minute,
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  but I want to make sure people know that you can tell your pastor about Brandon and his
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  church and what they're doing, and how will they get a hold of you, Brandon, through your
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  church or through tip of the spear, how?
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  Yeah.
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  If you just guys, if you'll go to rockharborchurch.net and go on our contact page, just contact
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  us, say, hey, I saw Brandon's podcast on David Farazel's show, I'm a pastor, I'm interested
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  in your Israeli trips.
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  Let's go to our website there, and we will get back to you, and my liaison to Israel,
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  who is almost there on a permanent basis, we'll get in contact to you, and we will arrange
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  a trip for you to get over there, and that way you can see what we're doing and be able
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  to partner with us.
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  And we're starting to partner with other bigger ministries, Olivia Melnick is partnering
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  with us, Jan Markelle is partnering with us, and all of tree ministries.
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  So we're all, we're trying to build this coalition of helping the Israelites over there.
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  The usual suspects, the remnant of true God-fearing, Bible-believing, Israel-supporting, men
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  and women of God, but we want more, we need more friends, and that's why it's very important
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  that you understand this.
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  If your pastor, he needs to hear about this and have this opportunity presented to him,
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  but hopefully he wants to go and be a part of this coalition.
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  You mentioned, Brandon, that you helped the families of the IDF, the Israel Defense Forces.
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  How do you tell us a little bit more about that, helping the families?
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  Yeah, so what's happening is these guys have been at war for a long period of time.
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  This has been the longest war they have ever been in, and it has stretched them thin economically.
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  So these guys that are in the reservists, look, they have normal jobs.
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  And the average is really, I think they have to give 30 days every two years, something
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  like that.
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  It's a civilian military, this is what a lot of people don't understand.
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  Because it's a civilian military, you have this big large number of reservists, well, they
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  served their time, but now they have been called in almost on a permanent basis.
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  So some of these guys have been serving six months or whatever, and they haven't been
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  home.
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  Other guys who had regular jobs, well, they haven't been at their jobs, so they haven't
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  been working.
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  So what's happening is their families are going into dire straits.
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  And so we come alongside of them to help them financially as well, and we work through
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  other organizations to get them the funding that they need to sustain and just pay their
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  bills, David.
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  And then the second thing we help them out with is obviously the mental aspects of what's
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  going on.
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  I don't even want to call it PTSD, it's not PTSD, it's current stress disorder.
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  Yes.
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  And here's what's happening, a lot of the soldiers coming back, and they've seen really
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  the grotesqueness of Hamas and what Hamas does, or Hezbollah, and they have this thousand
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  yard stair where they come home on leave, and their wives are like, I don't want to be
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  married to this.
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  And so what ends up happening, they're having a high rates of divorce among their IDF because
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  of this.
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  And their families are fracturing as well.
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  So part of our help is to help them in the marriage, in PTSD, and helping them mentally
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  through all of this.
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  Wow.
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  That just practical stuff that people can pray about, pray for, and get on board with through
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  your church.
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  And by the way, I know David mentioned something others, he just put a donate on his website.
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  Now if people wanted to donate on through your web through Rock Harbor Church to the IDF
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  for their families, how would they do that?
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  Yeah.
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  Just go to our Giving tab on Rock Harbor Church website, pull down the Giving tab, and
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  you'll see a tab called Bless Israel, and that will go to the IDF, and then you can go
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  to another tab, and it'll say IDF families, and you pull that down, you can help directly
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  to the IDF families.
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  And so those are the two areas you can donate to, and that will go right to them for those
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  needs.
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  Okay.
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  Awesome.
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  Thank you.
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  So Brandon, this is kind of taking a little different direction.
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  Now I want to talk about war tactics.
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  David mentioned those several times.
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  This is not a war.
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  This is terrorism.
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  Israel is responding to a terrorist attack, but anyway, that's doing one of men's words
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  here.
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  But I read about what we see in the news, what we see in America.
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  We were not getting the full story, obviously in the West, because of our media, and that's
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  for another, maybe we'll talk about that, and then I can next show.
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  But Israel, when they do send out these leaflets or these warnings to the people, because
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  they don't want to kill civilians, this is astounding to me, because they still have
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  a value for life.
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  They want to protect innocent lives, and they want to kill the terrorists and the leaders.
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  I don't know if you can respond to this, yes, you can.
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  I get to the point where I get upset, and maybe, yeah, righteously angry and say, you
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  know what, stop, just just go in and do what you have to stop just with the leaflets.
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  But I guess to save innocent lives, I'm kind of mixed, I have mixed emotions about that.
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  Who does that?
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  Who does that, right?
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  You're in, well, for all practical purposes, they are in war, and they're trying to warn,
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  for example, people of Gaza to get out.
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  We want to kill the bad guys.
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  If you're in as we want, we don't want to kill civilians.
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  Just your thoughts on that.
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  The media is not going to give you credit if you drop the leaflets, is what I'm saying.
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  Yeah.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, yeah, you're making a good point because what we see with the IDF, and again, being
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  on the ground there, they're the most moral and the most integrous military I've ever
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  seen, they're not only dropping leaflets, making phone calls, and firing warning shots
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  even that we're going to hit this building, and they'll do a warning shot, even to wake
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  people up to get out of there.
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  But here's the problem, David, the so-called civilians.
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  Many of them will not leave.
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  They are determined to stay where they're at, even though the IDF warns them.
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  And here's the other factor that the media is not going to tell you, and this is what
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  the reports from our IDF soldiers tell us.
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  They go in there.
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  They have already warned the civilians to get out of there.
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  The civilians are still there, and you know what the civilians do?
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  They pick up guns and start firing on the IDF.
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  And so this myth that there is a civilian population that's separate from Hamas, sorry,
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  that's not what our IDF soldiers tell us.
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  When you go into civilian homes, and there's RPGs, and there's weapons, and there's all
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  this anti-Israel propaganda, and when you go in there, and they start shooting at you,
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  all of a sudden that civilian has become a military combatant.
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  And that's what is causing a problem.
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  The second thing that's causing a problem is it's not only terrorism, but this is urban
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  warfare.
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  And according to military experts, urban warfare is the most difficult thing to ever fight,
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  because you're dealing with buildings, and the problem is they've got these sophisticated
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  tunnels.
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  And here's the thing.
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  They are using children.
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  The children pop up.
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  They spy out where the IDF, and they know the IDF will not fire on the children.
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  They know it.
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  But they're using the children as spies, and so the child looks, finds out where the
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  IDF goes back into the tunnel, and tells Hamas where they're at.
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  And so it puts the way that Israel is fighting it, it puts their IDF in the firing lines
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  of getting killed.
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  And that's what tends to happen, trying to fight such a moral war.
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  And you're right.
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  If this was us, we'd have carpet bombed the whole thing over five times, and it would
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  have been done.
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  But with Israel, all eyes are on Israel, and everyone hates Israel.
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  So they have to fight with one hand, tied behind their backs, and it's very disappointing.
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  Tell us two things.
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  David reported that there were a percentage of, and I want to put civilians in air quotes,
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  because I've heard these stories from people on the ground saying, a lot of the civilians
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  are just as radical or just as hateful of the Jews, but that's for another podcast.
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  Tell us about the tunnels, Brandon.
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  They built these tunnels.
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  They had their opportunity to build a better society or to help the community.
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  Instead, they built terror tunnels and got equipment.
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  Tell us more about that.
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  Well, here's the thing.
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  Under Obama and Hillary Clinton, the Palestinians were getting somewhere in the neighborhood
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  of $450 million per year, plus anything else they wanted from the United States, and
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  not just the United States, but from the UN, all kinds of other organizations.
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  So what happened?
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  Instead of building infrastructure, and by the way, the infrastructure from the Israelis
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  were already there in 2005 when they handed the Gaza over.
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  What ended up happening is they took the infrastructure and for the water pipes, they took the pipes
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  and started making bombs with them, so they don't have any water because they took all
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  the water pipes out.
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  Then they took this money, and a lot of them money piled up with the elites over there
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  in Hamas, and they took all the money, and they were living like fat cats.
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  Everyone was living poor, and they basically turned Gaza into a military operation base
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  rather than one of the most fertile and unbelievable place you could possibly live.
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  Because when Israel was there, it was a kind of a garden of Eden, so to speak, man.
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  They had nurseries there, and you could grow anything there that climate is so mild.
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  It was a beautiful place when Israel had it, but then they just turned into a bomb factory,
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  and it became a staging place for Iran and everyone else that wants to wipe out Israel.
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  So all that money then went into the tunnels systems, and it's very sophisticated.
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  The tunnels go all the way into Egypt, and that's how a lot of the bombs were coming in
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  through that corridor in Egypt, and we're talking David layers of tunnels, deep, deep down,
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  where you can almost drive trucks. That's how deep these things are, and very sophisticated and
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  branched out. So like a modern day city, and they had been doing this since 2005, and so this
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  is where all the money was going, and people said they tried to give an easy explanation.
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  Well, why don't we just flood the tunnels with water, with sea water? Well, the problem is you
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  have hostages in there. That's the what's preventing Israel from flooding them, like you would do a
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  gopher hole, because you've got hostages in there, and they don't want to do that, and they're using
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  the one element of Israel against them, which Israel preserves life. It wants to preserve life,
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  and they're using that against them to keep themselves alive. But yes, that's all where all the money
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  United States gave them, and went right to the tunnels. 20 years, you said 2005, just amazing,
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  amazing to me, not surprising, because people that are demonically inspired and driven,
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  they don't have the same values, and they don't operate by the same standards as you and I,
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  and most sensible human beings with somewhat of a value for life, branded before run out of time.
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  What do you want to share? What's your heart when you were just there? What was different maybe
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  about this recent trip to you? Well, what are the things that we're noticing in? Every trip that we
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  take, and again, we're sending teams and whatnot, the hearts of the Israelis are opening up.
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  God uses certain things to break us, right? And what we're seeing is this perpetual war that's
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  going on, and it seems like there's no end. Yes, it's breaking them down mentally and emotionally,
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  and physically, and a lot of things are happening, but it's also opening them up spiritually.
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  And that's the positive take away from all of this and the fact that we're having conversations
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  with these Israelis, David, that no Gentile would ever have. They're asking us, why are you different
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  than the other Christians? Because the other Christians want to convert us and divorce ourselves
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  from our Judaism. And we're telling them, you don't need to do that. You remain Jewish and you
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  become a completed Jew if you accept Yeshua. And we tell them about even the end times. I remember
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  a riding along in one of their vehicles that Olivier Melnik's organization bought them. It's
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  kind of like a four wheeler thing. And we were riding in the Valley of Armageddon, and the soldier
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  that I was riding with, I said, you see that hill up there? And he goes, yeah, I go, that's where
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  Elijah battled the, you know, the prophets of Bale there. And he didn't even know it. And I said,
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  do you know you're in the Valley of Armageddon? He didn't know that. And I got to tell him about
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  the Battle of Armageddon right there in the Valley. And so what we find out is a lot of the secular
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  Jewish people don't even know their biblical history. And so we're having those conversations,
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  and bringing in prophecy, bringing in, I guess this, we're building bridges that other Christians
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  in the past ruined, if that's, if I could say that, because they have, they have had it with
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  the anti-Semitism from Christians. They've had it. So we're showing them something different, David,
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  and God's using it to open their heart. So yeah, that's the positive thing that's coming out of it.
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  So do you see this, let's come back over here to the states now, because we've had such an issue
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  with anti-Semitism and media propaganda. Here's the perfect storm almost. Do you see part of the
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  problem in the West, at least in America as the media, the demonic universities, and you take
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  the culture, no, the culture is really kind of not up on Israel and biblical teachings, but
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  let's talk about the church and the lack of pulpit openly supporting Israel. And I was just talking
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  with someone that was my age that didn't remember a sermon on Israel, on the importance of it.
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  So is this a perfect storm kind of set us up for where we're at now as far as our ignorance
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  of not only Israel but biblical prophecy and other things?
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  Oh man, you're out, you hit the nail on the head. Perfect storm is the greatest word, and then I would
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  add convergence to it because as the churches are not doing their job, explaining the nature of Israel,
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  and look, a lot of them are replacement theology, unfortunately. So Israel's not on their
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  radar, but here's the other thing I'm concerned about, David, is I get the replacement theology
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  types, and they're not going to say anything about Israel. That's the majority of the church,
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  unfortunately. But here's what I'm concerned about. I'm concerned about the evangelicals that
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  were supposed to be pro-Israel, and haven't made a move since October 7, have done nothing,
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  have not said anything, have not prayed. Now I've talked about, you know, I talked to my
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  remnant other pastors in our circle, and you know a lot of them, you have them on your show.
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  They see the same thing. What happened to the pro-Israel churches after October 7? It's like they
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  went silent, and I don't understand that, and maybe it's because of fear or whatever. I don't know
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  what's going on, and we're not getting anything out of the pulpit. Well, here's the thing. You
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  don't say anything. You don't even pray for Israel. I can guarantee you what your congregation is
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  going to think. They're going to either ignore it or think it's not important. And so that's,
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  I hate to say it, but I think God's separating even the remnant is showing itself to be separated
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  by the issue of Israel. And of course, a lot of these pastors don't have the media savvy to
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  understand the media's lying, and they don't have the right resources a lot of times to get the
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  right news about what's going on in Israel. So they'll hear stories, Israel's starving the gauzens,
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  Israel's doing this, and they're committing genocide. And the pastors don't know how to combat that,
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  and so they either they silent or either go along with it with just complicit, they're complicit
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  with it. But you've got to have the right information. They're not starving the gauzens.
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  There's trucks lining up. It was the you end that was actually holding the food back, not Israel.
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  And so you're not armed with those facts, and so we have pastors that are not armed with the
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  right information, David. And some of the trucks were being hijacked by Hamas. Absolutely. And then
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  they they try to sell the food to the people. Anyway, what was I going to ask you about pastors? So
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  people, let's just take a couple hundred thousand churches in America, got pastors that are not
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  preaching about Israel, and there some of the people in these congregations are watching these
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  media outlets and hearing the lies. So if the pastors are not addressing what's going on and
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  refuting the lies with the truth and teaching proper theology about Israel, I mean, what do you
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  expect? You know, the direction to expect the church to go then. So we've got a lot of work
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  cut out for us here. Just share your thoughts in the last couple of minutes. You're branded.
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  When you can sit in the church and I this is these are scenarios that I know you can sit in the
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  church and be pro Hamas and sit there and say you love Jesus and you're at a church where you have
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  that mindset. That tells me that what's coming out of that pulpit is never addressing that issue
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  because if that person sat in my congregation at some point early in the service, they would be
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  offended. Okay, but the fact that people can sit there and they're pro abortion, pro gay marriage,
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  pro transgender and anti Israel, sitting in a church means that that pastor's not doing their job
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  and that is the dominant view that's going on out there. It's not what the pastors are saying,
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  it's what they're not saying, David. And maybe they also don't see a conflict with something like
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  queers for Palestine. Yeah, I know. Right? Just the most bizarre thing. They're not even addressing.
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  I mean, when you can't even address the transgender movement, there's no way you're going to
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  probably address the Israeli movement. And here's the thing that pastors don't even equip to do it.
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  I think there's a lot of laziness going on because look, I know myself and the guys you interview,
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  we have to stay on top of this. It takes a lot of work to stay on top of the news and a lot of
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  them just don't want to put it in the time. And so they just put their fingers in the ear.
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  And they don't want to talk about it. And this we are running out of time. I mean, we don't know.
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  We don't know how much time we have left. Teach us to number our days, Lord, that we might gain
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  hearts of wisdom. And there's a very famous Romans 13 11, where it just says, wake now is the time
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  for us to wake up. And there's so many other scriptures like that, redeem the time and Ephesians
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  for Brandon. Just give us one more minute. I know we run out of time quickly here on whatever
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  you want to take away from supporting Israel, your trip and just whatever you want to share.
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  Well, my thing is the trend that I'm seeing with God and how he's using people. It's a grassroots
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  movement, David. It's not a pastor led movement. And so my admonition to your audience and even my
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  audience, it's going to have to start with you as far as the the average Christian out there that's
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  the remnant believer. We need you in the fight because your pastor's not in the fight. And so if
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  you can get in board, if you want a partner with us and you say, well, I can't go to Israel,
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  but I can donate. Well, then do that. At least do that. And that will help you get into the fight.
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  And you're going to have to bypass your pastor. I just hate to say that. It's going to have to
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  be a grassroots movement from everybody. So rock harbor church dot net friends. If you want to bless
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  the IDF and also tip of the spear ministry dot com. Brandon will do another show with you. We
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  so appreciate your time and all that you're doing. Blessings continue.
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  Bet you're all right. God bless you. Thank you. Friends, thank you for sharing the podcast and
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  please share this one. Another important one. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the
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  truth about things that matter.
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