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It's Okay, That's Love | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 75 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Taba K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we're back.
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  We're back with AK Drama. For this episode, I am joined by
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  Liliana from TN Soju Asian Drama podcast.
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  How are you, Liliana? I'm doing well, thank you.
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  I'm very excited for this drama because this has been on my list
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  for a long time, so I'm really, really excited for us to talk
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  about it. Yes, we're missing Caitlin, our
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  third drama trio, but we'll be back together soon.
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  It feels a little weird to be here without her, but we we miss
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  her and we're going to soldier on without her.
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  On this review of It's OK, That's Love.
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  And like Lillian said, we are really excited, like super
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  excited to cover this one. I have been wanting to talk
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  about It's OK That's Love on the podcast for like ever.
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  Like I it's been like a season or two that I've really wanted
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  to cover it. I was going to do it last
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  season. It kind of fell through and I
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  asked you if you wanted to do it to cover it.
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  I know that you haven't really watched some older K dramas.
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  This one I haven't is celebrating A10 year
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  anniversary. It is 10 years old.
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  And I was like, Lily on our you game.
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  And you were like, yeah, like, it's been on my watch.
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  List for a really long time, so. So I was like, Oh my God,
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  perfect. So we watched it and we are
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  going to deep dive on It's OK that's love on this episode.
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  Liliana, what is what do you like you watching this week?
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  Like what's in your besides it's OK that's love.
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  Like what did you watch this week?
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  So I've been catching up on love next door, the Jung he and Jung
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  swimming drama. I'm really enjoying it.
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  Like I I'm a little bit behind just because TN soldier is on a
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  break and I think, I think I I took a break even from watching
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  anything. So like last week I've not
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  watched a lot, but I'm going to catch up with it this weekend.
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  I'm going to have like all the episodes and I'm going to be
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  caught up with it, but I'm really enjoying Love Next Door.
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  What about for Chinese dramas? I think I have to break.
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  Oh, I'm watching the Are You the 1A Chinese drama and that is
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  basically about an assassin that falls in love, not falls in
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  love. She basically gets injured and
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  forgets all of her, like her memories.
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  And then when she wakes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm still watching that one. But I'm going to wrap it up this
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  weekend because that's finished now and it's been done for about
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  a week. So I'm going to finish up that
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  one this weekend as well. I'm watching the story of
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  Minglon, which is just like. That'll take you.
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  That'll take me a minute. I'm re watching ashes of love
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  which my God I'm already like for reasons for reasons but my
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  goodness I as of now I've watched like 8 episodes already
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  and I'm just just binging through these and I'm just like.
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  God, it's so easy. Like when you hit those, those
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  are the best dramas. When you're, you're just like, I
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  can't get myself to stop. Those are the best dramas.
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  Yeah, yeah, I was. I'm not going to lie.
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  I was petrified to go back to Ashes of Love.
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  I mean, it was my first Asian drama ever.
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  It is really, really special. And I was like, I am petrified
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  if I go back in and this is not as good as I remember.
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  But so far I'm just like, I'm loving it.
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  And I'm like seeing it with such different eyes this time around.
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  And it's been a really fun experience so far.
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  And then I'm just watching a Japanese drama, which is called
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  Where the Sea Begins. And my God, this drama has my
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  whole heart. I'm like, I love it so much to
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  the point where I think it may make it into like my best dramas
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  of 2024 just because I adore it that much.
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  It's about it's, I don't think there's not a lot of people
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  talking about it, which is also interesting.
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  I hear nobody talking about it. It's a beautiful story of people
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  like connecting and whatnot. It's like it's brilliant.
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  So that's that's what I'm watching right now.
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  So yeah, I think that one's probably one of my favorites
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  that I'm watching. All right.
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  Well, thank you so much for sharing what you're currently
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  watching. I am basically not watching
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  anything. I I basically was binging this
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  show that we, well, we watching it and binging it this week in
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  preparation for this podcast. I binge it in the span of three
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  days. So yeah, my pace was 4 1/2
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  episodes a day. A day.
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  A day, 4 1/2 episodes I had to get through every day and I was
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  watching it at 1.25 speed, which isn't really that much of A like
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  speed up. No, no, no, no.
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  Yeah. No, it's not.
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  It's. Not just a little, it's just a
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  little touch of a of a. Especially with like old Korean
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  dramas, and I find this with both old Korean dramas, at old
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  Chinese dramas, they speak really slowly and there's like
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  really long pauses between people talking, at least like
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  this is very common in Chinese dramas, I think older Chinese
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  dramas. So if you speed it up a little
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  bit, it just feels like it. It makes no difference.
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  It just feels better. Natural rhythm.
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  Exactly. But I did it out of necessity
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  because I was like, let me cut like a couple of minutes off of
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  these episodes, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we just.
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  Need to get through it faster. Anyway, thank you so much,
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  Liliana for being here. And we are going to deep dive on
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  All right, it's OK, that's love. I am going to start with the My
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  drama synopsis work through the director, writer, cast and we'll
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  get into the non spoiler section.
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  Didn't give us our general thoughts.
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  Then we'll get into our soilery thoughts.
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  Maybe some surprises along the way because I have a couple of
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  notes that I wanted to bring. U OK?
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  My drama was synopsis. Despite being a bit of a prickly
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  pear, Deng Jayol has become famous for authoring mystery
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  novels and for hosting a popular radio show.
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  While sitting on a talk show panel with psychiatrist Jesus,
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  it became clear to all that the two just rubbed each other the
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  wrong way. The unthinkable happens when
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  Tayol's girlfriend plagiarizes his work, forcing him to lie low
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  until the media storm blows over.
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  Only then he can prove his innocence.
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  Jayol moves into a house he owns but rents out.
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  One of the current tenants. Is none other than Jesus,
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  unwittingly making them housemates.
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  So we get 2 tropes here. Enemies to lovers.
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  We got cohabitation. Yeah.
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  Add to the mix to Dong Min Jesus, senior colleague and
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  fellow psychiatrist, and Park Sue Kwang, a young man with
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  Tourette's syndrome. As personalities clash, Tail and
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  Hesu help the other heal from deeply rooted emotional scars.
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  All right, so this show aired from July to September 2014.
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  As I said, we are celebrating its 10th anniversary.
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  Happy birthday to It's OK, that's love.
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  It is September when we are recording this and it is
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  September when this will be aired as well.
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  So 16 episodes long, the standard 16 from back then.
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  Kim Kyutai is the director. I just actually covered another
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  Kim Kyutai drama, Our Blues from 2022.
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  This director, I really, really like this director.
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  He's got some wins under his belt.
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  Like I said in the R Blues episode, he's done live from
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  2018, Moon Lover, Scarlet Heart Rio, which is another episode.
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  You can scroll back in your podcast feed and listen to that
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  one. That was a swerve Secret love
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  That winter the wind blows. Also with Joy and sung and
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  Songhekio. This director won best director
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  at the 49th Beck Song Awards with that drama That Winter the
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  wind blows. Padam Padam Iris worlds within a
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  love to kill. He's been in the game for a very
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  long time, basically 20 years. This drama is written by Nohi
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  Kyung, the writer from Our Blues Again.
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  So this this is a a writing and directing partnership.
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  They've done a few dramas together, including, you know,
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  Our Blues and It's OK That's love.
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  They've done live together, Padam padam worlds within that
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  winter the wind blows. They tend to work well together.
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  As you can see this screenwriter.
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  No Hi Kyung. She won best screenplay for Dear
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  My Friends at the 53rd Beck Song Awards.
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  So they are both, you know, highly regarded showrunners, you
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  know, So the cast. Cho and Sung plays Zhang Jiyol.
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  He's the male lead. He's obviously been in a lot of
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  things that people recognize. He's a household name.
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  He might not have as many things like the number, the quantity of
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  things is not that many, 11 movies, 11 TV shows, but they
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  are, they're in the zeitgeist. How?
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  I don't know how else to put it like they.
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  Yes. Really recognizable movies and
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  TV shows that are formative for people in Korea, formative for
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  people in the international audience of K dramas as well.
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  I think he's a star. Like to me, he's like a major
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  star at I love him and I think you recently saw him Liliana in
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  moving because you. Were.
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  Watching Moving Finally, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  So it's kind of funny story, but I was actually just coming up to
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  finishing moving while I was watching this as well.
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  And it was a lot of fun to see the roles because it's night and
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  day. They are two very different
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  roles. And I was like, this actor has
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  demonstrated that he has range and he's really good at doing
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  different things. So I, I'm kind of glad that
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  that's how it worked out actually, because I hadn't seen
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  him and anything else before. I don't think so it worked out
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  really well that I just happened to be watching two dramas where
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  he, you know, was in both of them.
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  And I, you know, I kind of got to see what he was all about in
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  that sense. Yeah, yeah.
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  The significance of him cannot be understated.
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  I'll also, I have to say this, I have still been scarred by
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  something happened in Bali, which from 22,000 and four I, I
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  say this every time it's, it's hard to imagine unless you were
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  there or it's not that I was there in 2004 when this
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  happened. But yeah, I came into the show
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  blind, not knowing the vibe, the, the, the way it was going
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  to shake out or anything. And it's it's a it was a totally
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  different experience to how people watch K dramas now, which
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  is this group watch element this, you know, you theorize
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  with people, you talk about it. If you don't catch an episode,
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  you get spoiled online. And that was not how I watched
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  something happened in Bali. I watched it based off of a
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  friend recommendation. Obviously, Miguel, if people
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  have heard previous episodes where I've talked about this,
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  Miguel, I was like, you got to watch this show.
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  It's so good. You're going to your life is
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  going to be changed. All this stuff recommended.
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  Something happened in Bali from O 4 and I was like, Oh my God,
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  really? OK, Bet I watch it.
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  I was flabbergasted. I was like shocked.
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  It was like going, it was like, I don't know how else, but it
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  was like walking in to maybe go see Disney on Ice.
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  You think you're going to see Disney on Ice and it's like a
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  cabaret show. Like you're like, well, I
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  thought like, you know, it was that feeling.
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  Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just shocked I always
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  have to mention it. Anyway, there is an episode on
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  moving if you want to scroll back in your podcast.
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  If you didn't listen to it. I think it's one of the best
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  shows of 2023. OK his Co star and it's OK
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  that's love Kong Hyojin. I fucking love Kong Hyojin.
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  I think she is one of the best actresses in K drama land and
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  people that started watching K dramas like during the pandemic
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  don't know. Who she is, they don't know who
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  she is. They don't know her.
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  And I'm like, put some respect on her name.
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  That's how I feel, truly. She plays, you know, our female
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  lead in this show, Jesus. And she's been in about 23
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  movies. She's been in shows like When
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  the Camellia Blooms from 2019, The Masters Son from 2313 with
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  Soji, sub pasta biscuit teacher and Star candy.
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  And I have to, I have to say, I am so excited for whenever this
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  show drops. When the Stars Gossip is the
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  current title of it, it's with Lee Min Ho or Immano.
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  She plays an astronaut and he plays a gynecologist and the
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  whole. Thing is talking about this.
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  Oh my, it's like a sci-fi romance or something.
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  I'm like fucking there like I am so there.
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  It's insane so. You know, I'm not even a Imman
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  Ho fan, but I was like this. I I just need to check this out
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  because it just sounds, you know, it sounds so different.
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  It sounds wild. I'm like, I just need to and
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  I'll, I'll gladly like even if I'm not his biggest fan, I'll
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  gladly go in for this actress because she tends to deliver.
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  So I I'll more than happily go in like to watch.
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  What she? Puts right and so.
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  You like? I did, I did.
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  And funnily enough, I had watched The Master's Son before
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  and I was like, it's OK. But I don't think her role does
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  a lot of justice to her in like the Master Son.
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  She's very like almost drab in that, no, I don't know if drab's
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  the right word, but she's very, I don't know, she's sleep.
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  Deprived. Yeah, exactly.
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  I mean, it's a different character.
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  Yeah, see, But I understand what you're saying.
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  She's muted. So in this one, in this one I
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  got she's so. Fun.
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  Like I remember her being very fun in that show.
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  Anyway, talk to me about her in this show.
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  So I liked her way more in this one because it's like you get to
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  see a different side to her. Not only is she she's quite
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  smart in this. She plays, I mean she plays a
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  psychologist. So you know, she obviously is
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  going to be a smart character in terms of that.
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  At least she can be a little bit.
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  She's sassy and she's fun and she's I don't know, I liked her
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  character in this one. Probably I probably liked her
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  weigh more in this than I did in the master son.
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  But like the master son, I liked it, but it wasn't like a show
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  that I loved, if that makes sense, Whereas this one, I
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  really, really liked this one. So I was like this one if
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  people, I was kind of thinking people always hype up this show
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  like it's OK, that's love. And I'm like, do you know what
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  hype it? I I think it deserves the hype
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  that it gets. So, you know, whereas with the
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  master son, whereas with the master son, I'm like, I don't
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  quite get the hype, if that makes sense.
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  So I think that's why I liked her weigh more in this role.
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  Oh nice. Oh my God I love that.
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  OK, so we do have some supporting cast members that are
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  recognizable people names of their own.
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  Sung Dong Yiel plays Dong Min. I called him Sung Be Dock some
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  of the doc in my notes. He said in like 40 movies
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  including Miss granny, midnight runners, great battle, the
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  pirates, last royal treasure, 48 TV shows.
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  What hasn't he been in the entire reply series including
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  Moon Lovers, Scarlet Heart, Rio, Legend of the Blue Sea, Wadong
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  Prison Playbook, Miss Hammer, Robbie, Liv, GD, San Sisyphus,
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  most recently If you wish upon me in my sweet mobster.
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  I mean he's been in the game for like 20 years.
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  He was in Lovers in Paris in 04. Iconic.
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  So you've definitely seen this guy.
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  He's been everywhere. He's been everywhere.
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  Ekwang SU plays SU Kwang, the guy with Tourette's syndrome.
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  I just call him running man. Running man, Yeah, he just has
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  been. In Running, he was in Running
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  Man for 11 years. So he's Running Man in my notes.
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  He's been in 14 movies, including the same movie as
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  before, Pirates, The Last Royal Treasure.
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  I feel like everybody was in that one.
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  I feel like it employed half of Korea anyway, 22 TV shows,
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  including most recently The Killer's shopping lists, and he
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  was in live as well. Sound of Your Heart, Entourage,
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  Innocent Man from 2012, which is a really good show.
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  City Hunter from 2011. Yes, and Dong Yi.
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  Films 2010 he's been. Yeah, he has done a lot of cameo
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  work as well. I just didn't include that in
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  his filmography that I've wanted to mention because if you see
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  him pop up as like a big character in an episode or two,
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  that's also why his filmography is so long.
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  When you when you see him. I think we have two more people.
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  No, three more people. Jin Yong.
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  Jin Kyong plays Yongjin. She is the female psychiatrist
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  in the friends group. She used to be married to Sonbe.
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  Doc for My Notes, 32 movies, 34 TV shows.
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  Most recently the story of Park's marriage contract, My
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  Lovely Liar, all the doctor romantics, a ton of things.
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  She's been in so many things. E Song Kyung plays Sonia.
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  This was her first role ever. This is the E Song Kyung from
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  Weightlifting Fairy. Kimbok Chu.
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  This is Kimbok Chu herself. It is.
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  In her very first acting role ever.
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  You know she's been in She's in the Trap While You Were Sleeping
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  as a cameo. What did you this?
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  This was her first acting role ever.
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  What did you think about Issan Kyung?
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  This character reminded me a little bit of her character from
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  Weightlifting Book 2. Really.
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  Really. But like more on the female
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  side, if that makes sense, because like what Drew is very
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  because of the sport she plays and whatnot, she tends to be not
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  as feminine, if that makes sense.
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  And I think in this one, but I liked her.
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  I think like for a first role she did fairly good.
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  For a first role she didn't have a lot to do, but I think her
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  character overall wasn't that bad for a first role.
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  So I think, I think she did OK. Yeah, I think she did pretty
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  good. I don't think I would ever
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  necessarily guess that it's her first role or I would.
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  I guess that she would go on to be such a big star also, like
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  from the same show. I thought that her character in
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  It's OK That's Love was giving a lot of what she gave, and she's
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  in the trap, which was like this neurotic, yeah, energy and
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  selfish, bratty person. Yeah, that's what she was giving
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  in this show. But anyway, yeah, do Kyung Soo.
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  Also in this show, AKA Dio from EXO, he plays Kong Wu.
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  This is the most awesome. He's a baby.
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  He's just a little baby. Yeah.
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  This is his first role ever. Also, he's since been in nine
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  movies. He's been in four TV shows of
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  relatively small filmography for, I think, such an excellent
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  Idol actor. He's so good.
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  He needs to be. I feel like he could do, he
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  could become a really good like household name in the acting
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  industry because he has the chops to do it.
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  Like he has the talent to do it, He really does.
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  And so I wish, I wish he would lean into the acting career a
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  bit more. And I can't believe this was his
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  first role and he's only got 4 TV shows under his belt.
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  That's wild. To me, I mean, not counting the
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  first that I think it was to the beautiful you in which Exo
• 22:50
  appears in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:53
  Yeah. And that I didn't count that.
• 22:55
  I'm like that's. Not no, no.
• 22:59
  Anyway. Well, I was just going to say
• 23:01
  when he came on screen, I was like, Oh my God, he looks like a
• 23:05
  baby because I know him from like 100 days my Prince and like
• 23:10
  old like from what he looks like now, like I really, I don't
• 23:14
  think I've watched him in anything else but 100 days my
• 23:17
  Prince. And I was like, he came on.
• 23:20
  He was like, oh, he looks like a dad.
• 23:24
  So precious. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:28
  So that's our cast, pretty big, but it's an ensemble cast.
• 23:33
  This is a bit of a found family show as well, but I think I know
• 23:41
  the answer to this. But what do you how did you feel
• 23:43
  about this show? How did you think it went?
• 23:47
  I really, really, really liked it and I think it reminded me of
• 23:52
  why I like K dramas. I like and I always say, I think
• 23:56
  K dramas can do this type of show really well.
• 24:00
  Like this is the type of K drama that I fall in love with time
• 24:05
  and time again. And unfortunately, I don't think
• 24:08
  we've seen much of it lately, But I this, like I said, this
• 24:15
  had been on my to watch list for ages.
• 24:19
  Everybody takes it as like a really, really good drama.
• 24:23
  And I've been burned so many times with people saying, you
• 24:27
  know, this, this is a great classic drama, you know?
• 24:31
  And I'm like, OK, yeah, OK. But I went in and I was like,
• 24:34
  I'm going to keep a very open mind.
• 24:36
  I was worried about a couple of things.
• 24:39
  I was worried that because it's an older drama and because of
• 24:43
  what it centers around, it centers a lot around mental
• 24:46
  health. And I was like, in the dear
• 24:50
  Lord, year of 2024, they still get mental health problems
• 24:56
  really wrong in Korean dramas. And I'm like, how is a 10 year
• 25:00
  old show gonna do OK with like this type of topic?
• 25:06
  So I was worried about it. And I don't think actually, for
• 25:12
  a show that is 10 years old, I actually think they did an OK
• 25:15
  job with it. I think they handled, you know,
• 25:18
  a lot of those aspects of the show well.
• 25:21
  I think it still stands the test of time.
• 25:25
  Like there's nothing there that I would be like, Oh my God, this
• 25:29
  feels so old and so outdated. It's a 2014 show, but it still
• 25:34
  translates well in terms of it, you know, being watched in 2024,
• 25:39
  ten years later. So that is, I think a real
• 25:43
  advantage and a real, it really shows what it's about.
• 25:47
  The fact that 10 years later it can still be watched and enjoyed
• 25:51
  so much. So overall, I really liked it.
• 25:55
  I think there's like literally a couple of things that I wasn't
• 25:59
  such a fan of, but we can get into that in the the spoiler
• 26:04
  section. But I liked the acting.
• 26:06
  I think the acting was so well done here.
• 26:09
  Yeah, I was mind blown. I the last three episodes I was
• 26:15
  crying non-stop. I was like bowling for the last
• 26:19
  three episodes, I'm like, Oh my God, this is so good.
• 26:23
  The emotion that the these actors deliver is just so well
• 26:28
  done. Overall.
• 26:30
  I just really, really liked it, I think.
• 26:32
  I am so glad to hear you say that you enjoyed the show, that
• 26:36
  it didn't feel dated for you, that because I think that's a
• 26:40
  concern right for anybody. This is a huge reason why I want
• 26:44
  to cover older dramas is because they don't get the love and
• 26:49
  appreciation that they deserve. And people, newer K drama fans,
• 26:54
  younger K drama fans, are averse to dipping back into this vast
• 26:59
  well, this library of K dramas and instead just choose to watch
• 27:05
  currently airing dramas. And that's fine, except I feel
• 27:09
  like you're just missing all of this great content.
• 27:13
  You're missing all of these great writing.
• 27:14
  You're missing references. Like there's dramas and people
• 27:18
  that you're watching now that you don't get the significance
• 27:21
  of. You don't know their
• 27:21
  filmography. And it's almost to me, like
• 27:26
  watching a movie with like, I don't know, Ben Affleck now.
• 27:32
  And you're like, this movie sucks.
• 27:34
  Why is Ben Affleck a thing? Yeah.
• 27:37
  OK, slow down. You haven't watched Ben Affleck.
• 27:42
  You don't understand. Like Ben Affleck, you have to go
• 27:44
  back and watch Goodwill Hunting and like all these, you have to
• 27:49
  get the thing before you can really understand the yeah, this
• 27:56
  isn't top tier Ben Affleck, this is sucky Ben Affleck.
• 28:00
  But. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:01
  The whole thing of of Ben Affleck and why he's important
• 28:04
  and why he's famous is because of all this other stuff, this
• 28:08
  foundational things. That's what made him famous, why
• 28:11
  he's worth watching sometimes. And I think I think as well with
• 28:16
  like the older K dramas, realistically speaking, they are
• 28:20
  the blueprints for what you watch now.
• 28:23
  So it's like you can still see the same track, like you can
• 28:28
  still see traces of those old K dramas on, you know, the new K
• 28:34
  dramas that you watch now. Say I, I think it's good to go
• 28:39
  back and I will hold my hands because I was very much a person
• 28:43
  that was a first. I was like, I did not want to go
• 28:48
  and watch older dramas. I was like, I don't want to
• 28:50
  touch them. I just don't feel like I need
• 28:53
  to. But to be fair, I, I think I'd
• 28:55
  started, I think the oldest ones I'd kind of watched were like
• 28:58
  20-15, maybe 2014. Well, now 2014, but I think I've
• 29:03
  watched all the stuff now and the beginnings.
• 29:07
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:08
  But in in the beginning, because there was none of this, you
• 29:12
  know, blown up when I started watching, there was none of
• 29:15
  these blown up dramas that there is now that are on air and
• 29:19
  that's so easily accessible. I went back and I watched a
• 29:22
  whole load of dramas from like especially like 20/16/2016 was a
• 29:28
  great Korean drama. Yeah.
• 29:30
  And like, so I think going back and watching some of those, it
• 29:34
  is also really, really good, especially when K dramas aren't
• 29:38
  having the best of times lately, at least for me.
• 29:41
  At least for me. Yeah, when there's a dry spell,
• 29:45
  a drought, it's always nice to be like, oh, right, I have a 20
• 29:51
  years of K dramas that I haven't really.
• 29:54
  Yeah. Looked at.
• 29:56
  Anyway, I'm gonna get off my soapbox now.
• 29:58
  So the way that I felt about this drama, it was so great.
• 30:02
  Like I love this drama. Re watching it, I was a little
• 30:07
  bit afraid that I was going to like it as much and it was going
• 30:10
  to lose its Sheen a little bit. But no, no, no, no, no.
• 30:14
  It was really, really good. And I just think these
• 30:19
  characters are so well written. They're so strong.
• 30:24
  They're so, they're so flawed, right?
• 30:28
  They're making weird, funky decisions.
• 30:31
  And they're working through these little, you know, they're
• 30:35
  having conversations with each other and they're dissecting it
• 30:39
  in real time. And you're like, oh, that's what
• 30:44
  I do. Like, you know, that's how.
• 30:45
  You. Go about your life.
• 30:48
  They feel human, they feel real to you.
• 30:52
  I. Think they have their little
• 30:54
  idiosyncrasies right? They tease each other I I don't
• 30:58
  have words exactly for how real they felt and organic their
• 31:04
  relationships felt. I think that probably the
• 31:07
  difficulty in the show comes in the fact that it's been 10 years
• 31:12
  and we as an audience have a better understanding of mental
• 31:17
  health and mental illness than we did 10 years ago.
• 31:20
  And of the protocols, the medical protocols around such
• 31:25
  things, right? There's certain hospital
• 31:29
  protocols that I think we're not followed.
• 31:32
  Oh yeah. Or just ignored in the show.
• 31:36
  And, you know, there's a lot of like conflict of interest things
• 31:40
  in the show that wouldn't fly just like don't lie.
• 31:44
  And I understand that it's AK drama and they can take creative
• 31:48
  liberties with certain things. But I think on the whole, it
• 31:51
  nailed like the spirit of mental health and mental illness.
• 31:55
  And in portraying these things with a lot of intent, they had
• 32:01
  definitions for things popping up on the screen for the
• 32:04
  audience and they were taking their time to explain certain
• 32:08
  things. And I think we forget that ten
• 32:13
  years ago nobody was talking about mental health and mental
• 32:15
  illness. No, no, they barely talk about
• 32:18
  it now in Asia, so. Nobody was talking about it.
• 32:22
  No, back then this was groundbreaking.
• 32:26
  This was a whole new thing. To do back then was to have
• 32:32
  these characters be psychiatrists, right, doctors of
• 32:36
  the mind, and then to have the plot unfold the way it does, to
• 32:41
  have this sort of twist that happens.
• 32:45
  I don't know about you, but like, I was the first time I
• 32:48
  watched it, that twist. I got got.
• 32:50
  I got got. I did not see it coming.
• 32:53
  I didn't not see it coming. That was what I was gonna ask
• 32:55
  you. Like, I don't wanna spoil it,
• 32:57
  but we're just gonna talk about the twist generally right now.
• 32:59
  But like when the twist happened the first time I watched it, I
• 33:03
  was completely taken aback. I shocked this.
• 33:08
  I have a friend of mine who lives with me.
• 33:12
  I've known her for a really long time.
• 33:14
  We went to college together and whatnot.
• 33:17
  She loves this drama and she watched it all like she watched
• 33:21
  it when it was airing I think or just after it was airing.
• 33:24
  So she watched it really long time ago.
• 33:26
  She loves that. And I had gone for coffee with
• 33:30
  her and I said, I'm finally watching this.
• 33:32
  And she got so excited that I was like, watching it and what
• 33:36
  not. And then she goes, you'll have
• 33:37
  to keep me updated. Like just message me how you're
• 33:41
  feeling about it. And when I got to that twist, I
• 33:45
  messaged her and I was like, get out of here.
• 33:47
  Like this is even happening every time.
• 33:51
  Like, how did I not see that coming?
• 33:55
  And The thing is, it's so well written.
• 33:57
  It is. The clues are all they're there.
• 34:01
  On 2nd watch I was like I'm a fucking idiot like you were the
• 34:05
  whole time. So I think that just shows how
• 34:10
  good it's written and how well it's written.
• 34:13
  The fact that they layer these little clues for you, You don't
• 34:19
  see it you. Literally don't see it like I
• 34:23
  again and I was way more familiar than the native Korean
• 34:27
  audience on mental health and mental and the and the specific
• 34:31
  ones that come into play with A twist back then back when I
• 34:35
  watched it 10 years ago. But Even so, I did not freaking
• 34:40
  see it coming. I got hit by a freight train and
• 34:44
  honestly it made the show better.
• 34:47
  It did it did it. Truly, the show was great and
• 34:51
  then it like took it to another stratosphere.
• 34:55
  It was almost like it could happen to anybody.
• 34:57
  Like it was it was a very if they kept talking about it
• 35:01
  throughout the show that like all of us can have issues like
• 35:07
  mental health issues and nobody is immune.
• 35:11
  They were, I mean, early on in the show they were talking about
• 35:14
  if you're a surgeon, does that mean you don't get cancer?
• 35:17
  Things like that were very powerful statements to make.
• 35:21
  You know, if you're a doctor, do you not get a cold suddenly
• 35:23
  because you're treating people that have have colds And that is
• 35:28
  not the case at all. And the same goes for mental
• 35:31
  health and mental illness, like anyone can suffer from these
• 35:36
  things and it's OK to get treatment, to seek.
• 35:41
  Help. Do you know what I, I think I
• 35:44
  first of all, I think I gave this grace because it is 10
• 35:48
  years old. But even saying that it was, you
• 35:53
  know, the fact that they had again, people playing
• 35:56
  psychiatrists, but not just that, but they had people
• 35:59
  seeking the help of these psychiatrists was a really big
• 36:03
  step. I I feel like I want to rewatch
• 36:06
  it because I feel like it would be the perfect follow up show to
• 36:10
  what after watching this one. It would be daily dose of
• 36:13
  sunshine. I knew you were going to bring
• 36:15
  this. Up very similar, but it's that
• 36:18
  it is, though. It's so similar.
• 36:20
  You take away the romance because there's not really a lot
• 36:22
  of romance in Daily Dose of Sunshine.
• 36:24
  There is some, but it's so like comparable to like these two
• 36:30
  shows are so comparable in terms of like what they deal with, but
• 36:34
  it's like Daily Dose of Sunshine is a 20/24/23 updated version of
• 36:40
  it, if that makes sense. Right, right.
• 36:42
  Even even saying that the you know, it's OK that's love still
• 36:48
  stands on its own and still like 10 years later it.
• 36:52
  Feels current. It feels relevant.
• 36:54
  Exactly, exactly, exactly so and I would say.
• 36:57
  You wouldn't have shows like. Daily dose of sunshine.
• 37:00
  Daily Dose of Sunshine. Yeah.
• 37:01
  If it wasn't for shows like It's OK, That's Love.
• 37:05
  Exactly. Breaking ground.
• 37:07
  And I saw this article from the Korea Herald, from the director.
• 37:11
  It was a little interview with the director talking about why
• 37:14
  it's this is such a necessary drama regarding its message to
• 37:18
  society. And I'll read a little bit of
• 37:20
  it. It was at the premiere in Seoul,
• 37:23
  he admitted that some of the socially awakening ideas
• 37:26
  embedded in It's Okay that's love could appear heavy quote UN
• 37:30
  quote and unfamiliar UN quote UN quote to the audience, but
• 37:35
  dramas with social messages should not be shunned, he
• 37:38
  alleges. This is his quote.
• 37:40
  I think it the show is a necessary drama.
• 37:43
  I am sorry that some dramas with social messages have been
• 37:46
  shunned. Both the writer and I tried to
• 37:48
  pay much attention to have the message delivered more
• 37:51
  effectively. Fun and comfortable the drama
• 37:54
  contained. This is not his quote.
• 37:56
  The drama contains both ROM com plots and character development,
• 37:59
  and addresses the discrimination of minorities such as mentally
• 38:02
  ill people, criminals and emotionally ailing people.
• 38:05
  Some scenes include Konko Jin, the psychiatrist, bathing her
• 38:09
  physically and mentally impaired father or being attacked by
• 38:12
  psychologically disoriented patients.
• 38:15
  A confined murderer with mental disorder also appears in the
• 38:18
  drama. In such context, the director
• 38:21
  has underscored the fact that the drama breaks away from the
• 38:24
  traditional genre of a medical ROM com.
• 38:27
  He called It's OK That's Love, a hybrid that puts more weight on
• 38:31
  breaking the social prejudices toward the minority groups, he
• 38:35
  quotes Miss No. The writer has the seriousness
• 38:38
  and the wait, and I have the lightness and mass friendliness.
• 38:42
  Together we make a great synergy, he said.
• 38:46
  The director said he was pressured about the difficulty
• 38:48
  of bringing the story to the screen without deviating too
• 38:51
  much from the ROM com frame. Which makes me think that the
• 38:54
  studio or the the network was like hey I don't want this to.
• 38:59
  Be like not. Fun like, I don't want this to
• 39:01
  not be a ROM com because we want people to watch, he says.
• 39:06
  I personally found it hard to keep the balance between a ROM
• 39:09
  com and a conventional melodrama.
• 39:11
  Everyone seen would contain both features.
• 39:15
  So long as this balance stays unbroken, the drama will be
• 39:18
  close to a perfection, the director confided.
• 39:20
  Yeah, so I really agree with what he's saying.
• 39:24
  You can see that he's trying to break new ground here with the
• 39:29
  drama and how it portrays mental illness, mental health.
• 39:33
  Because it's very obvious that the native Korean audience is so
• 39:38
  unfamiliar with these topics, with why they're important to
• 39:41
  talk about. And to have big stars like Toen
• 39:46
  Song and Kong Hyojin being front and center and talking about
• 39:50
  these things openly as psychiatrists and as like the
• 39:54
  male lead, going through these struggles very openly and
• 39:58
  honestly. But also with this like ROM com
• 40:02
  fun light hearted atmosphere with this found family with
• 40:06
  these really lively characters that is in so enticing.
• 40:11
  And it totally works. Yeah, I think they did a great
• 40:15
  job of managing that line between what obviously the
• 40:22
  studios and, you know, the networks would accept, and still
• 40:27
  being able to push beyond anything that had been done up
• 40:32
  to that point. So I think they did a really,
• 40:35
  really good job. Both the screenwriter and the
• 40:37
  director just worked so well together in tandem to bring this
• 40:41
  story to life. And again, yes, you can still
• 40:45
  see the tropes that the drama hits, like the cohabitation, the
• 40:50
  quasi. They say enemies to lovers, but
• 40:53
  to me it's not really enemies to lovers.
• 40:56
  It's kind of like mildly dislike of each other to.
• 41:01
  Yeah, yeah. I don't think he ever
• 41:03
  necessarily disliked her either. She really disliked him.
• 41:06
  Yeah, she did. She really did.
• 41:08
  But you know, you have those beats that Korean dramas tend to
• 41:13
  hit, but then he go, they both go beyond and they push into
• 41:19
  almost unchanted territory. And that's like what made the
• 41:24
  drama so special, I think, to me at least.
• 41:27
  I'm also going to point out the fact that this is an older
• 41:29
  couple, right? These protagonists, the female
• 41:33
  lead and the male lead, are in their 30s.
• 41:36
  Yep, which is lovely. It's lovely, I love it.
• 41:41
  They're in their 30s, they're older, they're at a totally
• 41:43
  different stage in life. They're not in their 20s,
• 41:45
  they're not teenagers. And I feel like back then it was
• 41:48
  way more prevalent to have drama centered on younger
• 41:51
  protagonists. Young people in their 20s are in
• 41:53
  high school school dramas. And today I just read a, a
• 41:58
  headline that was saying that Korean dramas, it's like the
• 42:02
  first time that they really don't have high school dramas
• 42:06
  people or dramas with young people in them centred on people
• 42:11
  in their 20s beginning their lives because of the aging
• 42:16
  Korean populace. As we all know, the birth rate
• 42:19
  in Korea is extremely low. They are not having children in
• 42:23
  Korea. And because of that, there is an
• 42:26
  aging population. And so a lot of the K dramas
• 42:29
  that are coming out of Korea are about older people, people in
• 42:33
  their 30s, forties, fifties, right?
• 42:35
  If you look at the dramas that are currently airing, they are
• 42:41
  not about, you know, kids in school uniforms.
• 42:44
  I mean, but also, there's only so much you can push.
• 42:49
  You're putting all the actors in school uniforms, isn't there?
• 42:54
  You know, it's it's true, but it's a different world and it's
• 43:01
  OK. That's Love was doing this 10
• 43:02
  years ago. Yeah, exactly.
• 43:05
  So one of the last things that I wanted to discuss was I found
• 43:10
  out that there is a bit of a fan war situation between It's OK,
• 43:16
  that's love and it's so. It's OK to not be OK.
• 43:22
  It's OK to not be OK. I I had no idea that this was
• 43:28
  the thing. I love both shows.
• 43:30
  I wanna. Put on the record I.
• 43:32
  Love both shows I. Remember watching?
• 43:36
  Hands up, I love both shows. I had no idea that they were
• 43:40
  being compared. I think it's because they're
• 43:43
  similarly named and they cover similar topics of mental health
• 43:49
  and mental illness. They are fucking different
• 43:51
  shows, OK? They are wildly different shows.
• 43:54
  They have totally different vibes, different casts,
• 43:57
  different writers, different, different directors.
• 44:00
  They are like a good ten years apart.
• 44:03
  I think what it's It's OK to not Be OK was aired in 20 and 20, I
• 44:08
  think. I think it's a pandemic show,
• 44:10
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think 2020.
• 44:12
  Almost a 10 year age difference between them.
• 44:16
  I think people, I put it, I put a poll up on Instagram to see
• 44:22
  what people were saying, like, how did you, how do you feel
• 44:26
  about this? And a lot of people, it was a
• 44:31
  mixed bag. Some people were like, I love
• 44:33
  it's OK to not be OK more because of the cinematography
• 44:37
  and the cast and the story and yadda, yadda, yadda.
• 44:40
  It's better. Some people thought that it's OK
• 44:43
  that's love was dated, which I don't know about that
• 44:48
  subjective, but OK. Yeah, even the vibes are so
• 44:52
  different, like It's OK to not be OK has almost like this
• 44:57
  gothic vibe over it. It's such a different.
• 45:01
  Like I love both shows. And also, The thing is, for me,
• 45:06
  I watched It's OK to Not Be OK live like as it was airing.
• 45:12
  So I had a very different experience with that show than I
• 45:16
  had with it. It's OK That's love.
• 45:17
  I watched it, you know, in my own little bubble of sorts.
• 45:22
  But even saying that, like, I still loved both shows.
• 45:26
  And the fact of the matter is, if you put it out there that
• 45:30
  you're watching, it's OK, That's love.
• 45:33
  There will be people for you to talk to about this show because
• 45:37
  it's a very well loved drama. Like there's people that love it
• 45:42
  and will still want to talk about it.
• 45:44
  So I don't, I never understand the point of fan wars.
• 45:48
  You are allowed to enjoy both things.
• 45:52
  Like you don't, it doesn't have to be either or.
• 45:54
  I don't understand this, you know, mentality of something has
• 46:00
  to be better Like than what you like.
• 46:03
  It's like it's a useless mentality.
• 46:05
  It's like again, yes, they have similar they cover similar
• 46:10
  topics. They both cover mental health,
• 46:13
  but one is way, way more into the romance than the other, I
• 46:17
  would say. And they're very different
• 46:19
  vibes, very different stories at the end of the day.
• 46:22
  And I. Wait, which one is more into the
• 46:25
  romance do you think? I think it's OK.
• 46:27
  That's love. No, I think it's it's OK to not
• 46:29
  be OK. They lean a very heavily into
• 46:32
  like the romance story of it. It's centered around those two.
• 46:39
  It's centered around like their story, whereas I think you get
• 46:43
  more of a bigger found family and it's okay.
• 46:47
  That's love, even though in the other one, God, it gets so when
• 46:52
  you're talking about these two and it's OK to not be OK, you
• 46:55
  have like a smaller found family because you have the main couple
• 46:59
  plus the brother. So you have like a smaller found
• 47:02
  family. But I think in it's OK, that's
• 47:06
  love. It's just a bigger one.
• 47:07
  And you have like, you know, the psychiatrists and you do get to
• 47:11
  go more into the hospital side of it and you get to see a lot
• 47:16
  more of that. But I, I don't know, I just
• 47:18
  think they're different shows. And I think why pick when you
• 47:23
  can enjoy both? I could, yeah.
• 47:25
  I couldn't understand. Yeah, I was like, why choose
• 47:28
  between vanilla cake and chocolate cake?
• 47:31
  Just have both cakes. Yeah, I had people saying, oh,
• 47:38
  it's OK, that's love. The costumes were dated.
• 47:41
  It was really zany lighting and sets.
• 47:44
  I was like, I don't understand. That's not dated.
• 47:48
  Someone said it's OK, That's love was very easy and simple to
• 47:52
  understand. Like they were talking about it
• 47:54
  positively that way. And even though they had watched
• 47:57
  It's OK to Not Be OK more recently because it's a more
• 48:00
  recent show, they couldn't fucking remember any details
• 48:03
  about that show at all. They were just like, yeah, the
• 48:05
  female lead was rude and like, they was what she was like, not
• 48:11
  gonna lie. They're right about that.
• 48:13
  Another person was talking about the tonal shifts and it's OK,
• 48:16
  that's love being weird. And I was like, I don't, I
• 48:20
  didn't get a tonal shift at all. Like I I guess maybe they're
• 48:23
  talking about the twist. Yeah, but that was it was there.
• 48:27
  We were just dumb to not see it. We're just stupid like.
• 48:30
  We just did a. It's almost like watching the
• 48:32
  6th Sense and being like Oh my God.
• 48:36
  Exactly. He's dead all the time.
• 48:40
  Do you know when it comes to these type of comparisons?
• 48:45
  I also always think it's so unfair to compare to compare
• 48:50
  especially to dramas like this. Like it's OK to not be OK.
• 48:55
  It had Netflix money behind it. I was.
• 48:58
  Going to say the same cost. Of course the costumes are going
• 49:02
  to be better. Of course the sets are going to
• 49:03
  be better. It's almost 10 years apart.
• 49:06
  Things have developed. The male lead in that is the
• 49:08
  most expensive male like he gets paid the more.
• 49:11
  Yeah, of course. It's going to have more budget.
• 49:16
  It's good. It's such a big budget drama.
• 49:19
  I mean, they ended up selling the books that she wrote in
• 49:25
  this. They ended up making merchandise
• 49:27
  out of it and selling it. They I just feel like it's an
• 49:33
  unfair comparison because you can't.
• 49:37
  It's like comparing apples to oranges almost.
• 49:40
  It's like, you know, there it's an older drama that had maybe
• 49:46
  half the budget of that one. It's a maybe win, maybe even
• 49:51
  less. Like you can't go in and say,
• 49:54
  oh, their costuming sucks. And I was like, their costuming
• 49:57
  is adequate for the time that it was being recorded and
• 50:01
  distributed in like, I don't know.
• 50:04
  I don't know what to say but. Yeah, also the Sunboat Song
• 50:08
  talking about the OST, we gotta talk about the OSD on It's Okay,
• 50:12
  That's Love. Jesus.
• 50:14
  Did you like it or? I'm not gonna lie, I did get a
• 50:19
  little because they kept using the same song.
• 50:23
  They they kept using the the same songs and I I think I knew
• 50:29
  the songs off by heart by the end of it.
• 50:31
  There is actually. There is something, but I can't
• 50:34
  talk about it until we're in the spoiler section.
• 50:36
  OK, All right, all right, so I have a few fun facts that I
• 50:41
  wanted to talk through. This is kind of funny because
• 50:45
  there's a couple of episodes where Komi Ojin has like an arm
• 50:49
  cast. Yeah, Oh my God.
• 50:51
  Is there something to do with that?
• 50:53
  Because I was like, this is a very over exaggerated cast.
• 50:57
  She actually broke this is she actually broke her arm.
• 51:00
  At 1:00 AM on June 19th, 2014, Konghya Jin was riding in a van
• 51:06
  that became involved in a three vehicle rear end collision with
• 51:10
  two trucks. She was on her way back to Seoul
• 51:12
  after filming in Kungi Province. This resulted in a left arm
• 51:16
  fracture and knee injury and scratches to her face.
• 51:18
  After recuperating, she and Co star Chun Sung later left for a
• 51:21
  shoot in Okinawa, Japan. They actually filmed in Okinawa,
• 51:23
  Japan For those that episode where their characters go on a
• 51:27
  romantic trip. Her fractured arm was
• 51:29
  incorporated into the story. And I was like.
• 51:31
  Oh. My God, how funny.
• 51:33
  That makes so much sense. That makes so much sense.
• 51:39
  It was like, she just fired. It's like one.
• 51:44
  It's like a sitcom when, like, a female cast member gets pregnant
• 51:48
  and they, like, just incorporate it into the story.
• 51:52
  Yeah. I was like, this cast is so big
• 51:56
  but it's supposedly very minor. Interesting.
• 51:59
  Yeah, in the drama, yeah, it looked too real, you know what
• 52:03
  I'm saying? Like they didn't like fudge it.
• 52:04
  It looked like a real cast. Anyway, so the show ended up
• 52:08
  with modest ratings, which is about 10 to 12% on average and
• 52:13
  it ranked 3rd on the year end. Content power index, CPI for
• 52:18
  short, developed by CJE and M and AGB Nielsen Media Research,
• 52:23
  which monitors non traditional variables such as number of
• 52:26
  mobile and Internet streaming viewers and online buzz in
• 52:29
  social media. And I have to be honest, 10
• 52:32
  years ago that probably didn't matter as much.
• 52:35
  Now that matters. That's the only thing that
• 52:38
  matters, I would say. So it did well by today's
• 52:43
  standards, you know. Yeah.
• 52:45
  It also received praise for addressing the discrimination
• 52:48
  and social stigma attached to people with mental health issues
• 52:51
  and other minorities. It was nominated for three picks
• 52:54
  on awards and I will close out the section of the non spoilers
• 52:58
  section with a portion of a of a review that I saw from my My
• 53:03
  Drama List MDL. This reviewer posted a very long
• 53:08
  review. Sometimes I don't like reading
• 53:10
  the My Drama List reviews, but this one caught my attention
• 53:12
  because they started off by saying that they have bipolar
• 53:15
  disorder and it was a very involved several paragraphs of
• 53:21
  them talking about their disorder and how it feels to be
• 53:25
  in a manic state and and all of this stuff and how it was very
• 53:30
  poetically written. I was very well written, but
• 53:33
  then they go into their basically five star 10 however
• 53:36
  many points, top points you can give.
• 53:38
  An MDL? Yeah, it's 10 out of 10 on MDL.
• 53:40
  So this is from Surprise Lobotomy from October 2014, so
• 53:44
  very close to when this finished airing.
• 53:47
  This is a 10 year old review from MDL.
• 53:50
  They say if there is a single safe harbour in all of this,
• 53:54
  it's love. When 2 souls dredge through the
• 53:56
  fire and connect, the bond can become unbreakable.
• 53:59
  Empathy is the great uniter. Shared pain is like cement.
• 54:03
  Love will harden through pain. This is what separates this
• 54:06
  drama from the rest. This is why it's OK.
• 54:08
  That's Love is a masterpiece. Mental health is not a topic
• 54:11
  that is addressed very often in Korean dramas, and when it is,
• 54:15
  it's often come comes across as comical.
• 54:17
  It's usually presented as one of the two extremes, something too
• 54:20
  light, often existing as Comic Relief or a silly quirk meant to
• 54:24
  add flavor without substance, or as something too heavy existing
• 54:28
  as some ethereal force that twists the mind into something
• 54:31
  less than human. It's Okay That's Love is able to
• 54:34
  present something serious and keep a light hearted tone
• 54:37
  without being insulting. If you're looking at the
• 54:40
  melodrama tag and expecting something that borders on
• 54:43
  mahjong, this drama is not that. The feeling of melancholy
• 54:47
  threads this drama together, but it does not weigh it down.
• 54:51
  You won't find endless sobbing, misunderstandings, or
• 54:53
  two-dimensional characters. Instead, this drama showcases
• 54:57
  the marriage of two souls through unconditional love and
• 55:00
  growth. Love is strongest when flaws can
• 55:02
  fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, and the characters in
• 55:05
  this drama complement each other perfectly.
• 55:08
  It's important to emphasize that these characters are flawed.
• 55:11
  Too often drama shy away from characters with real problems
• 55:15
  and instead settle on external conflict to move the story in
• 55:18
  its entirety. The characters in these dramas
• 55:21
  are perfect outside of the experiences they undergo and the
• 55:24
  forces that act on them, and it makes them two-dimensional.
• 55:27
  This is not the case in this drama.
• 55:30
  Most of the conflict is internal, but it's relatable and
• 55:34
  organic. Every single character is
• 55:36
  presented in a manner that allows you to love and empathize
• 55:40
  with them. It's a multi layered story.
• 55:42
  The supporting cast is also very well developed.
• 55:45
  In addition to a perfect atmosphere, this drama does
• 55:47
  something almost unheard of in a Korean drama.
• 55:50
  It presents a love story that is not about the chase but rather
• 55:53
  endurance. Adult topics such as sex,
• 55:56
  intimacy, and trust are at the forefront and allow the drama to
• 56:00
  paint a picture of actual couplehood instead of
• 56:02
  traditional guy chase girl or girl chase guy fair.
• 56:06
  You'll watch the couple grow not only as individuals but as
• 56:09
  loving creatures. It doesn't stop at love either.
• 56:12
  The concept of friendship as a refuge is just as strong.
• 56:16
  The entire cast grows over the course of the show.
• 56:19
  So I thought they summed it up perfectly.
• 56:22
  And I love that they had such a read on the show.
• 56:27
  The same same as my read and I don't have such a close
• 56:31
  connection or experience with mental illness, you know?
• 56:36
  That's so beautifully written. It was beautifully.
• 56:38
  Written I just. Had to.
• 56:40
  I had to share it so. So well written.
• 56:43
  Yeah, whoever you, wherever you are, surprise lobotomy, I hope
• 56:47
  you're doing well. I know it's been 10 years, but
• 56:49
  it was a beautiful review. And it really was.
• 56:52
  Really hit everything on the head.
• 56:54
  So, Liliana, before we get into the spoiler section, what would
• 56:58
  you rate this show out of five's Hold you bottles?
• 57:01
  I've been thinking because I don't know, would I put it out
• 57:06
  that do you do halves? I do half.
• 57:10
  Yeah, I. Probably say, then I probably
• 57:12
  say a 4.5. Like I, I don't think I would go
• 57:16
  like 5. There's a couple of *** things
• 57:19
  that I don't think I can ignore. So I don't think I will go 5,
• 57:23
  but I would go 4.5. That would be my rating 4.5.
• 57:29
  Same 4.5 both 4 point fives across the board.
• 57:34
  We really, really love this show.
• 57:36
  Yeah, as you can see, and it's very nuanced and layered and the
• 57:41
  characters are just so fun to be around and very interesting and
• 57:47
  a lot of positives about this show.
• 57:49
  And we really did not spoil anything about the show.
• 57:54
  No, we did not give away anything, nothing, all.
• 57:59
  So we are going to get into spoilers right after this.
• 58:05
  Excuse me. I can't.
• 58:08
  I have. No, I'm sorry.
• 58:14
  What? All right, we're on the other
• 58:19
  side of spoilers. Anything goes, we are going to
• 58:22
  spoil. It's okay.
• 58:23
  That's love. It is a 10 year old drama, but
• 58:26
  we highly encourage you to go watch it for yourself.
• 58:29
  Please, please go watch it for yourself and come back and
• 58:34
  finish listening to this episode.
• 58:36
  So I guess we'll start in the beginning.
• 58:39
  In episode 1, they show him being stabbed by his brother
• 58:44
  immediately after the older brother is released from
• 58:48
  president. We jump right in, don't we?
• 58:51
  We just. Go right into it.
• 58:53
  It is so shocking. We get the shared house, so we
• 58:58
  get introduced to these three people that live together, this
• 59:01
  found family so to speak. And then we get a time trip of
• 59:04
  26 months later, 2 years later, she's a psychiatrist and they
• 59:11
  are treating Lee L like the actress.
• 59:14
  Lee L is playing a battered trans woman who is being
• 59:19
  admitted because her family abused her for chopping off her
• 59:22
  balls. And I don't say that like to be
• 59:25
  flippant. That is what her brother said
• 59:28
  like that. That's literally the line that
• 59:31
  her, the trans woman's brother said and the aunties or calling
• 59:37
  a shaman to beat the demon out of her and all this stuff like
• 59:41
  trying to cure the trans out of her.
• 59:45
  Yeah. And our female lead, Jesus, who
• 59:49
  like wants to transfer Lee L to a psychiatric ward.
• 59:54
  Otherwise the family can do whatever they want to her within
• 59:57
  the hospital, which I don't quite understand that either.
• 1:00:00
  Like you can just beat up on a family member while they're in
• 1:00:02
  the hospital. I was confused about that, but
• 1:00:06
  OK. She quizzes the interns that she
• 1:00:10
  has with her because it seems like she is of a higher ranking.
• 1:00:14
  Like, she's not necessarily a resident, but she's not a
• 1:00:17
  professor yet. No, no, I think she's like in
• 1:00:20
  the between. She's training to become one,
• 1:00:23
  but she's not quite, you know, quite yet.
• 1:00:25
  She's an inbetweener, but she has some underlings that are
• 1:00:28
  interning with her that are residents or something with with
• 1:00:32
  her and so she quizzes them. What are we going to do about
• 1:00:35
  this trans woman patient Lee L What is our plan of care for
• 1:00:39
  her? One guy says let's take her
• 1:00:42
  history down about their childhood, adolescence, gender
• 1:00:46
  roles, that she's like bye, no next, what do you think?
• 1:00:50
  And goes to the next intern. The next one's like she didn't
• 1:00:54
  do anything wrong so we should just discharge.
• 1:00:56
  Her. I was just going to say next,
• 1:00:58
  Next, Barry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:00
  She was. The intern was like, yeah, she,
• 1:01:04
  she when she was getting sex reassignment surgery, she didn't
• 1:01:06
  have any psychological problem except for gender identity
• 1:01:09
  disorder. And another intern chimes in.
• 1:01:12
  Being gay isn't a psychological problem, but a problem that has
• 1:01:16
  to do with preference. And she's just like, bro, like,
• 1:01:20
  shut up. Like she can't like deal with
• 1:01:22
  these interns who have competing and wrong ideas about the plan
• 1:01:28
  of care for this poor trans woman who is just getting beat
• 1:01:32
  on by her family. Like it's a basically attempted
• 1:01:35
  murder at this point. It really is.
• 1:01:37
  It really is so off the bat, like from jump we get a very
• 1:01:44
  interesting and controversial patient.
• 1:01:49
  We do. We do, right?
• 1:01:52
  It's not something that you would have like 10 years ago,
• 1:01:55
  like just going to 10. Years ago 10.
• 1:01:58
  Years ago, seeing that in a show in a light that isn't mocking or
• 1:02:05
  anything, it's again, we'll, I think we'll say this a lot
• 1:02:09
  throughout this episode, but it's groundbreaking.
• 1:02:12
  It is. It's groundbreaking and you can
• 1:02:15
  see that these interns have varying levels of experience,
• 1:02:21
  but also they are audience proxies.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, I was going to say that's yeah.
• 1:02:27
  They are meant to represent the audience and their limited
• 1:02:29
  knowledge or how they might feel toward this patient like the
• 1:02:33
  trans woman. So her reaction and how she
• 1:02:37
  eventually handles this patient, which is with compassion and to
• 1:02:42
  obviously just get her out of the situation like her, she was
• 1:02:45
  basically saying why don't you just go non contact with your
• 1:02:49
  family there? They do not understand you.
• 1:02:52
  They will never understand you. You.
• 1:02:54
  Need to leave. That's basically.
• 1:02:56
  You just need to leave. You need to leave the situation.
• 1:02:59
  They're going to kill you was her point.
• 1:03:03
  She was basically saying you need to prioritize yourself.
• 1:03:07
  Like you need to stop trying to understand your abusers, these
• 1:03:11
  aggressors, which they're your blood relations and you know,
• 1:03:16
  prioritize yourself. But just you're on the line.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah, just that alone as well. In a society where your elders
• 1:03:25
  are to be respected. Exactly.
• 1:03:27
  Flies in the face of Confucianism.
• 1:03:29
  It's so I was just like, I can't.
• 1:03:33
  It's right off the bat. It's right there.
• 1:03:35
  It's right there. They are just showing you such
• 1:03:40
  to us right now in 2024, even in a like even in Asia right now
• 1:03:46
  now that's such a rare thing to say.
• 1:03:49
  It's changing, but it's so slow. But like to us Westerners,
• 1:03:54
  that's even like that's a more obvious thing.
• 1:03:57
  If something is not working for you, you need to prioritize
• 1:04:02
  yourself, your mental health, your mental well-being.
• 1:04:04
  And I think like millennials onwards are really taking that
• 1:04:09
  into account and pushing that forward into other generations.
• 1:04:13
  But I think to have that in a show, in a Korean show 10 years
• 1:04:19
  ago, I as soon as I pressed play, I was like, this is mind
• 1:04:23
  boggling to me that that is what's happening straight off
• 1:04:29
  the bat. Like I it's flying against
• 1:04:32
  everything that Korean culture kind of stands for, in a sense.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, So then we move on. We find out because nobody's
• 1:04:43
  perfect in this show. Literally nobody is perfect.
• 1:04:46
  Just like life. She has a sex phobia.
• 1:04:50
  Our female lead has a sex phobia.
• 1:04:52
  Really. She says it's an insecurity and
• 1:04:56
  relationship avoidance. And even though she has a
• 1:05:01
  boyfriend who's cheating on her, which comes out later, which is
• 1:05:03
  really funny of a, of a situation, but that's her thing.
• 1:05:08
  Like, that's her issue that she has to work through throughout
• 1:05:12
  the show. She meets the male lead in the
• 1:05:15
  first episode. They're going on like, a
• 1:05:18
  television program together. Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  And she is the expert, like psychiatrist that they bring on
• 1:05:26
  this show. And he is this famous writer who
• 1:05:30
  is also on this panel. She comes in and she jokes that
• 1:05:35
  he she hopes he's not disappointed that she's a woman
• 1:05:38
  psychiatrist instead of the scheduled male psychologist
• 1:05:41
  because it was going to be Sombe who was going to go on the show.
• 1:05:44
  And he was like, why don't you go on and said he was like off
• 1:05:47
  like having sex with his wife before she like boarded a plane
• 1:05:50
  to the states. That like he was like, I don't
• 1:05:52
  want to go on the show. You go on for me.
• 1:05:54
  You guys, you. Go.
• 1:05:57
  So she's filling in, the male lead says.
• 1:06:01
  Dead ass. Yes, he was hoping for a fiery
• 1:06:05
  debate, but because she's too pretty, it'll be a distraction
• 1:06:11
  and you get the instantly that he is a male chauvinist.
• 1:06:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like looking down the
• 1:06:22
  makeup artist, like Blouse to like, look at her cleavage in
• 1:06:26
  the mirror and like the female lead is clocking all of this
• 1:06:30
  shit. And.
• 1:06:31
  She's like, I got you, I know who you are.
• 1:06:33
  He's just made to be unlikeable. Like right from the get go it's
• 1:06:38
  like. Yeah, he's a likable asshole.
• 1:06:43
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  And they do this show. It's a very interesting but
• 1:06:48
  seemingly flawed audience participation experiments that
• 1:06:51
  they do. They're talking about inherent
• 1:06:54
  human goodness versus human evil.
• 1:06:57
  And they're asking if the audience if they've had bad
• 1:07:00
  thoughts versus if they've acted on them or if the men felt
• 1:07:04
  sexually aroused by a stranger versus if they've actually
• 1:07:08
  sexually assaulted them. And I was like, whoa, whoa,
• 1:07:10
  whoa. Like, this is a lot for episode
• 1:07:12
  1. Yeah.
• 1:07:14
  This is all to promote some book that was just released.
• 1:07:17
  And she argues that the male leads books because it.
• 1:07:22
  I don't think. I don't think that he wrote this
• 1:07:24
  book that they were talking about, but that his fictional
• 1:07:28
  books promote unhealthy cycles of violence and sexual deviancy.
• 1:07:35
  Nowadays she'd probably say that his books are sexploitation or
• 1:07:39
  the exploitation of sexual assault for sensationalist
• 1:07:42
  literature. That is what she was getting at.
• 1:07:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He says she shouldn't be looking
• 1:07:49
  at the rapist in his presumably there's maybe a book or two
• 1:07:54
  about a rapist that he's written.
• 1:07:57
  He says she shouldn't be looking at the rapist as a patient in
• 1:08:00
  need of treatment, but have compassion for the sexual
• 1:08:03
  assault victim who gets revenge on their aggressors in the same
• 1:08:08
  manner that they were assaulted. Like they get their look back in
• 1:08:12
  my book. Why aren't you looking at, like,
• 1:08:14
  that aspect of my books? And you're looking at me
• 1:08:18
  promoting something based on the fact that I have this rapist in
• 1:08:23
  my book. It's a very controversial take
• 1:08:30
  of them talking about this. Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  In Episode 1, she ends the broadcast by saying there is
• 1:08:35
  hope no matter how difficult the situation is, and that is the
• 1:08:40
  thesis for the whole show. Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  The entire. Basis, yeah.
• 1:08:47
  And I will say like right off the bat from that section there,
• 1:08:53
  I loved it like the back and forth between them.
• 1:08:57
  The. Banter.
• 1:08:59
  It's so good and I'm like, I exactly.
• 1:09:03
  And it's like it's toe to toe. There's no her being, you know,
• 1:09:09
  she is. And This is why it's beautiful
• 1:09:11
  when you write a female character in her 30s, because
• 1:09:15
  the kind of woman that you are in your 30s is not necessarily
• 1:09:20
  the same that you are in your 20s.
• 1:09:22
  You are more self assured, you are more confident.
• 1:09:26
  And I'm not saying 20 year olds can't be that, but in a
• 1:09:30
  situation like this where she is a very popular author and you
• 1:09:36
  know, in a situation where she is almost made to feel less than
• 1:09:42
  because she is a woman, he does that.
• 1:09:45
  He says that right off the bat, but she does not back down.
• 1:09:48
  She's like, no, no, no, no, this is my career.
• 1:09:51
  And the banter that they have. She doesn't stand down.
• 1:09:54
  There's no like hesitation on her part.
• 1:09:57
  There's no like she gives it as good as she gets it.
• 1:10:00
  And I'm like, I love this. This is what I mean when I want
• 1:10:06
  strong female lead characters, I don't mean I want them to be
• 1:10:09
  physically strong. I want her to be womanly strong
• 1:10:14
  in the sense that she can see the situation, but she doesn't
• 1:10:18
  back down. And in that type of situation,
• 1:10:21
  she is calling things as she sees them.
• 1:10:25
  She's sharp. She's determined, she's dogged,
• 1:10:27
  she's intelligent and like. And that catches his attention
• 1:10:32
  as well, yes. Yes, he like is instantly
• 1:10:35
  attracted to her. Exactly.
• 1:10:37
  And it's not like necessarily because I mean, she's a
• 1:10:40
  beautiful, she's a beautiful actress, but he kind of like
• 1:10:45
  sees this woman that is standing toe to toe with him and that
• 1:10:51
  attracts him. And I find those relationships
• 1:10:53
  to be way, way better than that instant love of, you know,
• 1:10:59
  you're gorgeous. I'm in love with these sort of
• 1:11:02
  type of situation, if you know what I mean, rather than we
• 1:11:06
  intellectually match and that and that makes me attracted to
• 1:11:12
  you. Like I just feel like that
• 1:11:14
  speaks to me so much better. I agree.
• 1:11:17
  I agree. So I love their meet cute.
• 1:11:19
  It is, you know, they're seeing the good and the bad in each
• 1:11:23
  other because she's she's already doesn't like him.
• 1:11:27
  She got a bad first impression of him.
• 1:11:30
  Rightfully so. I I mean.
• 1:11:35
  Yeah, so we head into episode 2. There is this chase scene with
• 1:11:41
  the schizophrenic patient off his meds that was at the club.
• 1:11:44
  It was crazy. She hits our male lead over the
• 1:11:49
  head and causes like a head injury.
• 1:11:52
  His head is like split open, he's bleeding and she's she's
• 1:11:57
  defending her patient. And this is rare to see that
• 1:12:02
  like the male lead comes to her rescue when she's being
• 1:12:05
  assaulted by her patient and she's like, no, don't hurt the
• 1:12:08
  patient. That is like that go flies
• 1:12:13
  against like K drama tropes. It's subverting the trope of
• 1:12:19
  like, oh, it's a damsel in distress.
• 1:12:20
  She needs his assistance. He comes to her rescue and she's
• 1:12:24
  fighting this guy in the club who's obviously distressed and
• 1:12:27
  she's like, fuck off, get off of him.
• 1:12:30
  And like, yeah, it's great. It's great.
• 1:12:35
  And you see how dedicated she is as a physician.
• 1:12:38
  I was just going to say again, she's very dedicated to her job
• 1:12:42
  and she doesn't allow this man to just sort of bulldoze his way
• 1:12:49
  in. In fact, she's kind of like, I
• 1:12:52
  don't need your assistance right now.
• 1:12:55
  In fact, you're, you're making this much more difficult than it
• 1:12:58
  needs to be. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I enjoyed that
• 1:13:02
  scene as well. It's crazy.
• 1:13:05
  There's a car chase scene. I mean, it's wild.
• 1:13:08
  It's wild. Then we get a new housemate in
• 1:13:13
  the house. A new bombshell joins the villa
• 1:13:16
  because there he goes to live in his Hongbei house.
• 1:13:24
  He rents it out to these three people running Man Tourette's,
• 1:13:28
  Guy Sombe and our female lead Jesus.
• 1:13:33
  He goes to live there because of the plagiarism scandal with his
• 1:13:37
  like Bessie and his girlfriend who were cheating together.
• 1:13:42
  That was like a little like not so great because it was the the
• 1:13:48
  impetus for him leaving his office, Tel Penthouse apartment
• 1:13:53
  or whatever to go live in the hung their house.
• 1:13:57
  But I don't know, like they'd never really circle back on it.
• 1:14:00
  And he stayed friends with his bestie like it was like nothing.
• 1:14:05
  I for some reason thought that that was like one of his
• 1:14:10
  brothers as well. I don't know why, I don't know
• 1:14:14
  why. Because he was, so he was.
• 1:14:17
  He would hang out with his mother all the time.
• 1:14:21
  Exactly. So I honestly thought, Oh my
• 1:14:24
  God, So his brother did this to him.
• 1:14:26
  And also I don't understand, that is one of the
• 1:14:29
  inconsistencies that I kind of wish because that aspect of it
• 1:14:35
  was used to sort of plow the story through to put him into
• 1:14:39
  that house to force that cohabitation, right.
• 1:14:43
  But later on that, again, like you said, that's never circled
• 1:14:49
  back on. And in fact, that fringe is key
• 1:14:54
  to deciphering everything that comes later on.
• 1:14:58
  And he's so and he's like, he obviously cares so much for him.
• 1:15:03
  And I'm like but but but didn't. You it's a 20 year friendship
• 1:15:07
  that he threw away from like this bitch who was very
• 1:15:11
  obviously that's shady and obviously didn't care for him.
• 1:15:18
  Like he couldn't tell that she was just using him to get ahead
• 1:15:23
  and plagiarize his work. And it was bizarre.
• 1:15:27
  So like I that was like, in the grand scheme of the show,
• 1:15:31
  whatever. But yeah, we find out that she
• 1:15:35
  has a sexual trauma because of her mother, her mother.
• 1:15:40
  She thinks that mothers should be motherly.
• 1:15:44
  Her mother is the legendary Kimikyon, by the way, legendary
• 1:15:49
  actress. I love her.
• 1:15:52
  I love her and she plays a, you know, someone who a mother who
• 1:15:59
  is flawed. Like every character is so
• 1:16:03
  flawed and so the mother, we don't find out until later, but
• 1:16:08
  the mother was basically having an affair for like all her life.
• 1:16:13
  All of the female leads, adult life and childhood life with
• 1:16:17
  this President Kim. We never see President Kim,
• 1:16:20
  which great. I don't want to see President
• 1:16:21
  Kim. Yeah, yeah, 9.
• 1:16:23
  Doesn't matter because her dad is in a wheelchair, severely
• 1:16:29
  disabled, non verbal. I think they said later that he
• 1:16:34
  was. He's paralyzed with the mind of
• 1:16:36
  a three-year old. But do you know what that's I'm
• 1:16:41
  just going to slide this in because it's much, much later
• 1:16:45
  on. Like there is actually a
• 1:16:47
  conversation between the mother and our female lead and she kind
• 1:16:51
  of says your father doesn't even understand anything.
• 1:16:55
  And then she comes into the room and, like the father, cries.
• 1:17:00
  That's not right and. Yeah.
• 1:17:01
  So, yeah. So it's like, no, you know,
• 1:17:03
  there is something that like, I think he does understand.
• 1:17:07
  I think he does understand. But I think the point is that he
• 1:17:11
  needs 24/7. Yeah.
• 1:17:14
  She's a caregiver before she really is a wife.
• 1:17:18
  And that is a really like speaking from personal
• 1:17:22
  experience a little bit here, that is a really hard role.
• 1:17:26
  That is an extremely hard role. My my dad was in.
• 1:17:33
  He had a brain aneurysm and that left him in a very critical
• 1:17:37
  situation for a fairly long time and my mom became his carer.
• 1:17:42
  And it's hard, like it is hard work.
• 1:17:46
  And I think that that is emphasized like that's you get a
• 1:17:50
  little look of that in this show a bitch that it takes a village
• 1:17:57
  to the point where, you know, female lead her sister.
• 1:18:00
  They're all coming in to kind of help.
• 1:18:02
  But at the end of the day, it is the mother's like, you know,
• 1:18:06
  doing, but she still has to work and keep a roof over their heads
• 1:18:11
  and raise the at that point, I can't quite remember.
• 1:18:14
  Do were they already adults when the father had the accident?
• 1:18:19
  I don't think they were, I think.
• 1:18:21
  They were, they were. Children.
• 1:18:23
  Yeah, yeah. So not only does she have to be
• 1:18:26
  a caregiver to her husband, but she also has this whole thing
• 1:18:34
  where she has two kids to look after and a restaurant to keep
• 1:18:39
  going, and it's all she. She did.
• 1:18:41
  It's a lot, she. Was having this affair out of an
• 1:18:45
  emotional need? Yeah, fulfillment out of that
• 1:18:51
  need, but also out of, like, a financial need.
• 1:18:55
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:18:57
  Because President Kim was also apparently giving her money.
• 1:18:59
  I don't know if she was like prostituting herself, Like it
• 1:19:02
  kind of made it seem like why was President Kim like paying
• 1:19:05
  for college? Like I didn't understand that
• 1:19:08
  necessarily why there was large sums of money being sent to the
• 1:19:14
  family. But and the whole thing of her
• 1:19:19
  not being loyal to the father and having this long standing
• 1:19:24
  affair with this President Kim that hurt the female lead to the
• 1:19:31
  point where she was distrustful of relationships and had this
• 1:19:36
  sexual phobia. Like she did not want to have
• 1:19:39
  sex was basically a version of 30s in her 30s.
• 1:19:43
  And the whole thing for her to unpack that I thought was really
• 1:19:48
  well done. And for her to finally
• 1:19:53
  understand where her mom was coming from and why she needed
• 1:19:58
  that. She needed that relationship to
• 1:20:02
  help her sustain her so that she could do this caregiving 24/7.
• 1:20:09
  You know she's not getting that emotional.
• 1:20:12
  Support. Support.
• 1:20:14
  No, she is the emotional support.
• 1:20:17
  From her husband at all. It's like she's she's let alone
• 1:20:24
  physical needs. Like her, her, you know, she
• 1:20:26
  wants to have sex like that's not that's.
• 1:20:29
  She's not getting any of that. Next, not getting any of that,
• 1:20:31
  she has no partner. But yeah, she still has to give
• 1:20:36
  a lot of herself to everything. And it's like at the end of the
• 1:20:40
  day, there's only so much you can give of yourself without
• 1:20:44
  looking after yourself, if that makes sense, Like.
• 1:20:47
  Exactly. There has to be a point where
• 1:20:50
  you have to put your own needs 1st.
• 1:20:53
  And that is interesting because I feel like that's a message
• 1:20:56
  that holds true throughout the show for various parts of the
• 1:21:00
  show. And it comes around for I think
• 1:21:02
  every single character character that at some point the character
• 1:21:07
  to resolve their own trauma or their own problems, they have to
• 1:21:12
  put themselves 1st. And I think that was very
• 1:21:15
  interesting and also very cleverly done, like just
• 1:21:18
  throughout the whole drama. I felt that it was the term
• 1:21:23
  nowadays would be self-care. It was a form of self-care and
• 1:21:28
  self love to you know, have this affair no matter how cuz it was
• 1:21:34
  selfish. And sometimes you need to be a
• 1:21:37
  little selfish you. Need to be selfish, and I think
• 1:21:39
  that's what she came to terms with, is that like mom needed to
• 1:21:42
  be selfish in order to be selfless toward her father.
• 1:21:47
  I think, like it's beautifully done in this show, that at first
• 1:21:55
  glance you really dislike the mother, like at first glance,
• 1:22:00
  because you don't understand her, you don't understand where
• 1:22:02
  she's coming from. Like you don't get her, but as
• 1:22:06
  the show goes on, you become to you come to empathize with her.
• 1:22:11
  And it's like that review was saying you kind of come to
• 1:22:15
  empathize with every single character in one way or another.
• 1:22:18
  And the mother's journey, I like that she's not even in essence,
• 1:22:25
  not even that big of a character, but she has depth and
• 1:22:30
  she's well developed and you come to understand her.
• 1:22:34
  So I I think that's a plus all around for this show that most
• 1:22:38
  of the characters even like secondary, you know, characters
• 1:22:42
  that a lot of people would dub, you know, not necessary for the
• 1:22:45
  show or, you know, reasons or they would be used to further
• 1:22:50
  the plot. That's not the case here.
• 1:22:51
  Like these characters are well developed and I really really
• 1:22:54
  enjoyed that. So moving on, at the end of this
• 1:22:58
  episode we get a really funny, funny scene because our male
• 1:23:03
  lead sticks his foot in it. He spills the beans at the
• 1:23:06
  soccer game night that her boyfriend is cheating on her
• 1:23:10
  with the PA and she goes when she goes.
• 1:23:15
  What did you say? Like, she like, clarifies and he
• 1:23:18
  says, yeah, I saw them when we were at that TV recording, yadda
• 1:23:23
  yadda, yadda. And he, like, spills the beans
• 1:23:25
  because he thought they were in an open relationship.
• 1:23:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He like got it in his head.
• 1:23:32
  Relationship, hey. He was like, oh, I didn't know
• 1:23:34
  she was like that. He smells of beans and she goes
• 1:23:39
  ape shit. She go.
• 1:23:40
  When she turns off the TV in the middle of the game, I was like
• 1:23:43
  Oh my God, like I braced myself even though I had already seen
• 1:23:47
  this episode. And she confronts the boyfriend
• 1:23:51
  like right there. See, that is something that I
• 1:23:53
  really, really liked. I really liked the fact that she
• 1:24:01
  doesn't let him like the boyfriend ex-boyfriend talk her
• 1:24:07
  out of it. She's like no we're done we are
• 1:24:09
  done. Like I but it makes sense.
• 1:24:13
  It makes sense with her character to do that.
• 1:24:16
  If they have gone the route of her character kind of like being
• 1:24:21
  on the fence about taking him back or anything.
• 1:24:23
  It wouldn't make sense because her character.
• 1:24:25
  One of her issues is that relationship phobia and it is
• 1:24:29
  stemmed from her mother having an an affair and everything.
• 1:24:32
  It would be ridiculous for her to even for one second to be
• 1:24:36
  like. Wishy washy and like.
• 1:24:38
  I don't exactly I. Think I'll take him back?
• 1:24:40
  And she's like he was. Sorry, she's like fuck you
• 1:24:43
  leave. Go.
• 1:24:45
  We're done. Bye.
• 1:24:46
  No explanation needed. Done.
• 1:24:48
  And. We were together for almost a
• 1:24:50
  year, 300 days. They were celebrating the 300
• 1:24:54
  day anniversary and he was like, yes, we're finally going to have
• 1:24:57
  sex. Do you remember?
• 1:24:58
  He was like so excited because he thought that they're going to
• 1:25:00
  have sex. 100 you thought I laughed so hard at the ensuing
• 1:25:05
  fight with the food because they had all this food game night,
• 1:25:08
  game day food out and they started throwing food, throwing
• 1:25:12
  crunches, crotch shots. Our male lead gets like hit in
• 1:25:16
  the crotch and he's like, I don't understand, like how?
• 1:25:18
  This is why. Am I getting my?
• 1:25:20
  Games and why am I catching strays?
• 1:25:22
  It was so funny. It is classic K drama humor and
• 1:25:29
  ROM com shenanigans and you know what it what a recent show
• 1:25:33
  reminded me of like this type of humor was Love next door.
• 1:25:37
  Love next door. Yes, in the 1st 2:00.
• 1:25:39
  Episodes there was. Like spring onions?
• 1:25:42
  Yes, with the spring onions, she was like hitting.
• 1:25:44
  That whole scene from Love Next Door is reminiscent of like 10
• 1:25:49
  years ago. This was the style.
• 1:25:52
  But this is what we mean when we're saying these are the
• 1:25:56
  blueprints that you still see in today's dramas.
• 1:26:00
  Like you, I don't think you can quite grasp these new dramas
• 1:26:06
  without at least knowing. I'm not saying go back and watch
• 1:26:09
  the full catalogue, but like, without at least knowing a
• 1:26:13
  couple of the older dramas. All that was needed was the
• 1:26:17
  bloody kimchi slap at that point.
• 1:26:19
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
• 1:26:22
  But because the housemates rally like so like because they're
• 1:26:27
  like you fucking cheated and like running man, just like
• 1:26:30
  flies at the boyfriend. It's so.
• 1:26:32
  Great. I love it.
• 1:26:34
  So this episode ends with because our male lead is so
• 1:26:40
  suave and charming and like he's always like putting on the
• 1:26:45
  moves. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:47
  Like it always seems like he has.
• 1:26:49
  So he comes up to her room with a bottle of wine and two wine
• 1:26:55
  glasses, and he's like, I think you need a drink.
• 1:26:59
  And like, is offering her some wine.
• 1:27:01
  And she's like, yeah, I'll take some wine.
• 1:27:04
  I love when she fills up her glass and she's like, no more
• 1:27:07
  all the way to the top, keep it going, keep it coming.
• 1:27:11
  He fills up the wine glass all the way and she goes to take a
• 1:27:14
  sip and goes and like throws it. Right in his.
• 1:27:19
  Face just this full wine glass right in his face.
• 1:27:22
  And I vividly remember that scene from when I first watched
• 1:27:26
  it 10 years ago. I love that scene.
• 1:27:28
  It's so. Iconic to me, yeah.
• 1:27:31
  And also because you can see like on the male lead's face
• 1:27:35
  that he was not expecting that at all.
• 1:27:38
  Like you could just see it in his face.
• 1:27:40
  And he's like, he has that face of what the hell did, What did
• 1:27:44
  just happen? Yeah, she closes, but then she
• 1:27:48
  goes back in her room, closes the door and she's like, I can't
• 1:27:51
  believe this guy, yadda yadda, like bitching about him.
• 1:27:53
  And he knocks on her door again and she's like, what the hell
• 1:27:56
  does he want now? She opens the door and he throws
• 1:27:59
  wine in her face because his whole shtick is like, I give as
• 1:28:03
  much as I get. I, you know, I'm you give me,
• 1:28:06
  I'm going to give it back as much as I get.
• 1:28:09
  He's always like tit for tat and so he throws the wine back in
• 1:28:13
  her face. It's so funny.
• 1:28:15
  It really is. It really is.
• 1:28:17
  And that that's like back and forth the.
• 1:28:19
  Light this is a ROM com enemies. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:23
  yeah, yeah. And it's.
• 1:28:24
  So fun to see them. So we get into episode 3.
• 1:28:29
  She wants to kick him out of the house because he's annoying her
• 1:28:33
  and she's calling it sexual harassment.
• 1:28:35
  I don't know if I would go so far as to call it sexual
• 1:28:38
  harassment, but he's basically pursuing her when she wants
• 1:28:43
  nothing to do with him. But he's not he's not going like
• 1:28:46
  too far necessarily. I would say I.
• 1:28:49
  Don't think he is, but I think like for her she just doesn't
• 1:28:52
  like him so she. Has her her complexes right,
• 1:28:56
  Like she's she's a verse to relationships.
• 1:28:58
  She doesn't like this guy already.
• 1:29:00
  She thinks he's a male chauvinist.
• 1:29:01
  She wants him to fuck out the house.
• 1:29:02
  So like she's using all of these tricks and and buzzwords to get
• 1:29:07
  him out. So she's calling sexual
• 1:29:09
  harassment on him. What she does, though, is she
• 1:29:12
  clocks his narcissistic personality disorder, and she
• 1:29:16
  says he's like a hunter pursuing his quarry, that he's obsessed
• 1:29:19
  with conquering her and getting her into bed.
• 1:29:21
  And I would say at this point in the show, she's not necessarily
• 1:29:25
  wrong. She's not.
• 1:29:27
  No, she's not. And she's also thinking that he
• 1:29:29
  broke up her relationship on purpose, like unleashing this
• 1:29:33
  bombshell revelation at the opportune time.
• 1:29:37
  And he says, like, no, it's a true mistake.
• 1:29:40
  It all this bravado that I have that I displayed at the talk
• 1:29:44
  show. I'm really like, kind of dumb.
• 1:29:48
  I'm not that tactful. In.
• 1:29:50
  Real life. So he's trying to convince her
• 1:29:53
  like, look, I'm not this isn't a strategy to try and get you
• 1:29:58
  like, I really thought you were in an open relationship.
• 1:30:01
  I like I read the whole thing wrong, she says.
• 1:30:04
  Is someone else's pain funny to you that you would even write
• 1:30:07
  about it? Because by now she's bitching at
• 1:30:09
  him in his room and he's got all these sticky notes.
• 1:30:13
  He's planning his next book. And he says I even sell off my
• 1:30:18
  pain to live. Why would I care about another's
• 1:30:21
  pain? Yeah.
• 1:30:23
  And I'm like, yeah. The ex-boyfriend comes back in
• 1:30:29
  the rain. Oh my God, that scene.
• 1:30:31
  Bro begging for a second chance. She's just like which part of
• 1:30:36
  no. He says that she's abnormal
• 1:30:39
  because he waited 300 plus days to have sex with her.
• 1:30:42
  She's not putting out. He says do you know how hard it
• 1:30:46
  was? And I have my notes in all caps
• 1:30:48
  bro fuck off. Right off.
• 1:30:51
  Like right off dude, he's a douchebag.
• 1:30:55
  And I think that the show is also like with the boyfriend
• 1:30:59
  demanding sex, that is also like audience proxy.
• 1:31:05
  Because I feel like even today in Korea, there's such a
• 1:31:10
  prevalence for this right in this highly patriarchal society
• 1:31:15
  that men get what they want. Men have needs.
• 1:31:19
  Men don't need to use a condom because like, yada yada yada,
• 1:31:23
  all these things in this show, it makes him look stupid.
• 1:31:26
  It makes him look like an asshole.
• 1:31:28
  Yeah, because he is. Because he is.
• 1:31:31
  And so I like that they are challenging these things that
• 1:31:36
  like, you should have sex with them because you've been dating
• 1:31:39
  for so long. And it's like, why?
• 1:31:42
  I have issues. I have things I need to work
• 1:31:44
  out. Like you couldn't just wait.
• 1:31:46
  And I love the fact also that she doesn't let his opinions
• 1:31:52
  define who she is. And I adored that because
• 1:31:56
  normally you would kind of see he's trying to shift all the
• 1:32:01
  blame onto her. What he's doing is I went to
• 1:32:04
  that, I went out and cheated because you're not putting out.
• 1:32:08
  That's basically what he's saying.
• 1:32:10
  She's like, no, no, it's your fault.
• 1:32:12
  If you are, it's your fault. You cheated because you wanted
• 1:32:15
  to cheat. If you wanted to be a respectful
• 1:32:19
  person, you would have waited. It's that simple.
• 1:32:23
  It's that simple. If you were truly in this
• 1:32:25
  relationship for the right reasons, you would have waited.
• 1:32:29
  And I like I said, I love the fact that she doesn't let his
• 1:32:33
  actions define who she is as a person.
• 1:32:39
  I think by this point I was like, Dio, he's not real.
• 1:32:44
  Really. Not my original watch.
• 1:32:47
  Oh, OK, OK. On the re watch, I was like,
• 1:32:49
  it's very obvious that he's not real because he shows up to drop
• 1:32:55
  off his manuscript for review and like, how would he know
• 1:33:01
  where he lives? How would he know where the male
• 1:33:03
  lead lives? How would he know this whole
• 1:33:06
  drama with the plagiarism and all this stuff with the
• 1:33:09
  childhood friend? That's not public knowledge.
• 1:33:13
  In my mind I was just like, oh, he must have told him off
• 1:33:17
  screen, my good mind of mine. Right.
• 1:33:19
  Like, you start making up, like, little things.
• 1:33:23
  Exactly. Fill in the blanks and make it
• 1:33:26
  work so that Dio isn't like this outlier and you have no red
• 1:33:30
  flags for him. But really, he's just showing up
• 1:33:34
  out of nowhere, like random places.
• 1:33:38
  Yeah, Yeah. And The thing is when they go
• 1:33:41
  back and explain it, it makes no sense because she's like, she's
• 1:33:47
  like, he says, oh, I had the script in my hand and she
• 1:33:52
  remembers and he's like, he's, he's making, but he has nothing
• 1:33:57
  in his hand. And I'm like, remembers to look
• 1:34:01
  at his hand like it's I, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:06
  And then even early on, Dio's manuscript seems to imply that
• 1:34:10
  the male lead is the culprit in a murder.
• 1:34:14
  And the title of the story that Dio is writing is Two brothers,
• 1:34:20
  and the imprisoned older brother insists that he's innocent of
• 1:34:26
  the murder of their father. This whole thing is very close
• 1:34:30
  to. Hey, story.
• 1:34:33
  The Male Leads story, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:34:35
  There's a reference to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest in the
• 1:34:39
  Male Leads radio broadcast. He says psychiatrists will say
• 1:34:42
  that we are all patients. Just as we catch a cold, we
• 1:34:45
  continually bear an illness of the mind we need.
• 1:34:49
  We need to acknowledge that and understand that we are all
• 1:34:51
  hurting. Then the world will be a bit
• 1:34:53
  more beautiful than it is now. And I'm like, oh, that's so
• 1:34:56
  nice. That is.
• 1:34:58
  We don't understand that like later in the show, he is going
• 1:35:02
  to be severely I'll. Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 1:35:07
  We're still in episode 3. They are.
• 1:35:09
  The housemates are out drinking and Homeboy brings up consent
• 1:35:15
  when the two psychiatrists are talking about who needs therapy.
• 1:35:21
  Slash, who's a perv in this couple because she what happens
• 1:35:26
  with the female lead, which I don't know if this is
• 1:35:28
  necessarily kosher, but she workshops her patients and their
• 1:35:33
  care when she's like with her friends and especially when
• 1:35:36
  she's with her somebody. She's like, I watched a movie
• 1:35:39
  The other day where this couple was going through this and this
• 1:35:44
  and this and like, what do you think they should do?
• 1:35:48
  How do you think they should handle it?
• 1:35:49
  And like she workshops their care, like how she should handle
• 1:35:54
  their their situation. That's probably where you think
• 1:35:58
  this is probably not ethically right.
• 1:36:01
  Not probably ethically, right, But also she keeps getting good
• 1:36:05
  answers. So I'm sure that's why she keeps
• 1:36:07
  doing it is because doing it. Yeah, good answers.
• 1:36:10
  So. But in this case, she says she
• 1:36:13
  watched a movie. They're actually her patients.
• 1:36:17
  And he says the point is when the man was sleeping with the
• 1:36:21
  woman, did he have her consent? Can I use the handcuffs?
• 1:36:25
  Can I use the belt? You need to ask if the girl
• 1:36:28
  doesn't want to, you shouldn't. And I was like Nope, got to
• 1:36:33
  pause the show 10 years ago. Years.
• 1:36:35
  This is years before the Me Too movement here in the West, years
• 1:36:42
  before Burning Sun. This show was talking about
• 1:36:45
  consent, clear as day. And doing it very well.
• 1:36:50
  And doing it very well. Yeah.
• 1:36:53
  Yeah, so he brought that up. We're in episode 4.
• 1:36:56
  He kisses her. This is after like they get into
• 1:37:00
  this scuffle. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:03
  At the bar that same night, they get into a scuffle and they
• 1:37:06
  start running. They book it and they're evading
• 1:37:09
  the police and these awful like gangster like young people who
• 1:37:12
  like came over and laid hands on running man, triggering a
• 1:37:16
  Tourette's episode. A Tourette's?
• 1:37:18
  Yeah. Yeah, so they land back at his
• 1:37:21
  office till apartment and he kisses her.
• 1:37:24
  And I remember this scene like it was yesterday, like I was
• 1:37:27
  watching it. I was like Oh my God, yes, he
• 1:37:30
  kisses her. I don't know if I like the
• 1:37:32
  placement of this kiss though, because she just finished saying
• 1:37:37
  how much how she's much better than she was 10 years ago in
• 1:37:41
  terms of like the severity of her phobia of her complex that
• 1:37:47
  she can kiss and stand to be touched.
• 1:37:49
  Now she's worked on how she perceives love, but while she's
• 1:37:54
  off medication and not breaking out in cold sweats over kissing
• 1:37:58
  a guy, she's still working on it.
• 1:38:00
  Yeah, exactly. It's.
• 1:38:01
  Still a work in progress. And he kisses her right after
• 1:38:04
  this. And I was like, what?
• 1:38:07
  And right after he had just talked about consent and like,
• 1:38:11
  if she doesn't want to and all this stuff and she's so averse
• 1:38:15
  to him right so far in the show. And he's just like, plants one
• 1:38:20
  on her. And I'm like, I don't know if
• 1:38:23
  that's the best lad. Like, it doesn't land.
• 1:38:26
  Yeah, like 10 years later. That's probably a dated kiss, if
• 1:38:31
  I if I would say. So what he was saying before the
• 1:38:35
  kiss was you keep imagining like the way that she's prepping
• 1:38:40
  herself for a scenario where she's going to kiss a guy or
• 1:38:43
  she's going to have sex or something is she keeps imagining
• 1:38:46
  like kissing somebody over and over again and it's sort of like
• 1:38:50
  desensitizing her to the concept of it.
• 1:38:54
  And he's just like, you just got to do it.
• 1:38:56
  Yeah, and he's like, you just got to do it.
• 1:38:59
  And that's when he kisses her so I understand what he was on
• 1:39:03
  about but also like not. It's not timed very well I would
• 1:39:08
  say. Not good timing.
• 1:39:09
  She slaps him, but then this, the follow up, I was like, this
• 1:39:13
  is strangely super sexy because she gets up to leave.
• 1:39:18
  He has a like up against a wall and he keeps turning on and off
• 1:39:22
  the lights using and then he's like using a lighter to like
• 1:39:28
  light up the room and light them up as well.
• 1:39:31
  And his face is right there in front of her, basically
• 1:39:34
  caressing. Hers is very intimate.
• 1:39:37
  And he's making this gigantic point that when she finally
• 1:39:41
  falls in love, it'll only be a moment that will lift this love
• 1:39:47
  darkness that she's been experiencing.
• 1:39:50
  And it's OK that she hasn't loved for 30 years and that her
• 1:39:54
  300 day relationship ended like it's fine.
• 1:39:58
  Just kind of, yeah. Almost comforting her, but in
• 1:40:00
  this very cheeky way. It's in his very own way.
• 1:40:04
  I would say it's very him the way he does it.
• 1:40:07
  Yeah, exactly. But I like that part more than
• 1:40:12
  the kiss that preceded that. I would agree.
• 1:40:16
  I would agree. There's little zingers here and
• 1:40:20
  there that are like a little bit problematic and dated and it's
• 1:40:23
  running man is worried because she didn't come home last night.
• 1:40:27
  She ended up she was so like tired and drunk that she just
• 1:40:31
  slept over at his house in in the office till running man is
• 1:40:36
  worried. He's like, what if the male lead
• 1:40:39
  like raped her? He's got valid concern, right?
• 1:40:43
  Valid concern. Completely valid concern, but
• 1:40:47
  the Sombe dock says. Do you think she'd fall victim
• 1:40:52
  to that? And is the male lead lacking
• 1:40:56
  that he'd resort to raping her basically?
• 1:40:59
  And I was like, that is totally flawed, outmoded thinking.
• 1:41:06
  Could happen to anyone. Yes.
• 1:41:09
  So I was like, Oh no. You're showing your age now.
• 1:41:13
  Yes, that was that little thing was showing its age.
• 1:41:19
  They go and visit this like schizophrenic, old schizophrenic
• 1:41:22
  patient of hers who's pregnant but married, married and
• 1:41:27
  pregnant now. Foreshadowing Foreshadowing.
• 1:41:30
  Foreshadowing. Yeah, but he saves her from
• 1:41:36
  drowning because she has like a suicidal attempt.
• 1:41:41
  Episode. Yeah.
• 1:41:42
  This whole thing was really strange.
• 1:41:43
  I thought this was really strange because the scene.
• 1:41:45
  Of was. Mostly because of the staging of
• 1:41:48
  it was weird. She's standing with her husband
• 1:41:53
  at the shore and all of a sudden she's like 20 feet out in the
• 1:41:58
  water. He made it nowhere.
• 1:41:59
  And her husband's still on the shore.
• 1:42:01
  And I'm like, yeah, what was he doing?
• 1:42:03
  He, she was standing right next to him.
• 1:42:05
  It's not like he went anywhere. And then he came back and she
• 1:42:07
  was trying to commit suicide by, like, drowning herself.
• 1:42:10
  No, he was still standing there, like yelling at her to come
• 1:42:14
  back. And I'm like, what the fuck?
• 1:42:16
  I I was confused about the logistics on that.
• 1:42:18
  I was like, does he not know how to swim?
• 1:42:20
  But even if. Not then he got in the water and
• 1:42:22
  that's like right then he got in the water and he couldn't swim.
• 1:42:29
  So then two people were drowning a drowning.
• 1:42:32
  But then then the male lead goes out and someone else goes to get
• 1:42:37
  the husband and the male lead goes to get the pregnant
• 1:42:41
  schizophrenic wife. So it's just the scene at the
• 1:42:45
  the shot of him grabbing her and then just standing up in like 4
• 1:42:50
  feet of water with her on his shoulder, pounding on him,
• 1:42:54
  beating on him, struggling against him.
• 1:42:56
  But then she like just all of a sudden goes limp and the female
• 1:43:00
  lead has to do see like terrible CPR on her.
• 1:43:04
  That's just. So bad.
• 1:43:05
  It's so bad. I was like, that is not CPR.
• 1:43:08
  That's something else. Yeah, so bad.
• 1:43:11
  So that whole scene, I was like, can we just like, delete it?
• 1:43:14
  Like, I don't know. What is this?
• 1:43:16
  It's not. Necessary.
• 1:43:19
  So I didn't like that they end up spending the night, I think,
• 1:43:23
  out in this town. And she asked him, are you
• 1:43:27
  someone who thinks love conquers all too?
• 1:43:29
  That love will always give you only happiness, joy, flutters
• 1:43:33
  and courage. And he says it will also give
• 1:43:36
  pain, blame, hurt, sadness, despair and misery.
• 1:43:39
  It will also give the strength to overcome those.
• 1:43:43
  It has to be at least that to be love.
• 1:43:46
  And I was like, Oh my God. That's a beautiful description,
• 1:43:49
  yeah. She catches him asleep in the
• 1:43:51
  park bathroom. The cleanest park bathroom that
• 1:43:55
  I've ever seen in my life. So clean I was like where?
• 1:44:00
  Share your tips. Sparkling and he shares with her
• 1:44:05
  that his stepfather would beat him and his older brother would
• 1:44:08
  beat him. His older brother would beat him
• 1:44:11
  for getting beat by the stepdad. So one day the stepdad
• 1:44:16
  physically abused him so bad because he wanted the gambling
• 1:44:21
  money. So homeboy just took off on
• 1:44:23
  foot, no? Shoes.
• 1:44:25
  Just like Dio earlier in the show.
• 1:44:30
  And that is key. That is such a key.
• 1:44:33
  So key, Because it was a rural town, there weren't many places
• 1:44:38
  to hide, so we just hid in the public latrine and dove into the
• 1:44:42
  filthy pile of shit at the bottom just to evade his
• 1:44:46
  stepdad. And he's laughing as he tells
• 1:44:49
  the story. And since then he's slept in the
• 1:44:53
  bathroom because he's felt it's the safest place.
• 1:44:56
  So this is like another piece of the puzzle right for our mill
• 1:45:01
  lead is that he has OCD, which we'd never even covered before,
• 1:45:04
  but he has OCDI think it's pretty mild, but he has OCD.
• 1:45:08
  He sleeps in the bathroom because it's safe.
• 1:45:10
  Based on childhood trauma. Yep.
• 1:45:13
  And she's OK with these things. She understands him.
• 1:45:17
  She understands what it is. And she knows that her, his
• 1:45:21
  brother is in prison for murder and she's OK.
• 1:45:25
  It's just like he has found his person.
• 1:45:28
  He has because he's truly shown her all of his aspects and she
• 1:45:34
  still there. She's not running for the hills.
• 1:45:38
  So. They go on this hike in this
• 1:45:41
  most beautiful valley with the most beautiful water feature,
• 1:45:44
  and he dunks her in this like Clearwater.
• 1:45:48
  They're playing around, splashing together.
• 1:45:50
  All this I remember from my original watch.
• 1:45:53
  I was like, Oh my God, it's, it's so vivid.
• 1:45:56
  It's beautiful. He kisses her again.
• 1:46:00
  And. She's speechless, she's
• 1:46:04
  flustered, her heart's beating wildly, she's having a physical
• 1:46:07
  reaction to him, she doesn't know what to do with herself and
• 1:46:11
  they like have a full on make out session.
• 1:46:13
  Yep. She is rocked like to her core
• 1:46:17
  after this whole interaction, they had to go get new clothes.
• 1:46:21
  Like he low key like buys her clothes.
• 1:46:24
  That's another like little trope as well.
• 1:46:26
  And he confronts her outside the car.
• 1:46:29
  He wants to know if this reaction that she's having
• 1:46:32
  because she's trying to push him away is because of her anxiety
• 1:46:36
  disorder or not. Like what's going on.
• 1:46:39
  He says the second kiss because they kissed again and they made
• 1:46:42
  out. He's like that second kiss.
• 1:46:45
  You like that one like? He's like, yeah, yeah, he's.
• 1:46:47
  Literally like in her face about it.
• 1:46:49
  He's like, no, we got to talk about it because you like that
• 1:46:51
  kiss. She was into that one.
• 1:46:54
  She's like denial, denial, denial.
• 1:46:57
  Yeah, she. Thinks and she keeps saying like
• 1:46:59
  throughout the show he's such a Playboy he'll just hate on
• 1:47:03
  anyone. And it's basically like she's
• 1:47:07
  she's trying to like distance herself from him because she
• 1:47:09
  doesn't want to get hurt and he does give off Playboy vibes.
• 1:47:13
  So anyway. He really does.
• 1:47:15
  He does. He's such a player, so.
• 1:47:19
  That's like as you as again, as the show goes on, that's just
• 1:47:24
  the facade that starts to peel away from him, and it's so
• 1:47:28
  nicely done. So he says not just anyone.
• 1:47:33
  He doesn't just flirt and hit on anyone but people I have
• 1:47:37
  feelings for. I wasn't just hitting on you, I
• 1:47:40
  kissed you because I like you. And he full on confesses.
• 1:47:45
  He does and it's like it's so and The thing is, I will say
• 1:47:49
  when I while I was watching it, I was like, Oh my God, he's
• 1:47:54
  already confessing. It's only episode 5 and he's
• 1:47:57
  already confessing. It's like, you know what I mean?
• 1:48:00
  Everything happens quite early, but has this show proved that's
• 1:48:06
  fine, It works out, that's fine? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:10
  This is the episode, I think it's episode 6.
• 1:48:12
  He fights with Dio's dad in this rural area.
• 1:48:15
  This is my OST background music. OK.
• 1:48:21
  Problem that I had with this scene, right?
• 1:48:23
  Talk to me. So first of all, I wrote down
• 1:48:27
  that because these are my notes before knowing that Dio was
• 1:48:35
  imaginary, right? So I write even if the male lead
• 1:48:40
  is damaged, he still tried to help like Dio's character like
• 1:48:45
  because he see and like I wrote this because he sees himself in
• 1:48:51
  Dio's character and I'm like. How true that was.
• 1:48:58
  How true that was. And I was like, this is wild.
• 1:49:02
  But the little thing that I said is so while this scene is
• 1:49:06
  happening, they sort of have almost like this cheery
• 1:49:11
  background music happening. It's kind of like this.
• 1:49:15
  I don't know, but it's kind of like it sounds it.
• 1:49:20
  Remember what the needle drop was on that?
• 1:49:24
  Is it the So let me go. No.
• 1:49:26
  No no, no, no, no. Like it wasn't even AI.
• 1:49:30
  Don't think it was a song itself, I think it was just like
• 1:49:35
  a background music. I.
• 1:49:37
  Can't. I can't.
• 1:49:39
  Quite remember, but what I wrote is I didn't like how there was
• 1:49:42
  almost a cheery song playing while this scene was happening
• 1:49:46
  because it almost like when I, I, I spoke to my friend about
• 1:49:50
  this and I said to her, this has been so far the only thing that
• 1:49:54
  I haven't liked because it's such a heavy scene.
• 1:49:57
  Obviously at that point, I don't know that he's imaginary and
• 1:50:01
  that realistically nothing is happening around him.
• 1:50:05
  He's just on the floor in fetal position, but nobody is around
• 1:50:10
  him. Like I don't know that when I'm
• 1:50:12
  watching this episode. So to me, there's a real
• 1:50:17
  domestic violence scene happening, right?
• 1:50:21
  And they have this cherry almost like Cherry song or background
• 1:50:27
  music behind it and it downplays the whole scene.
• 1:50:31
  It almost like contradicts the scene.
• 1:50:35
  I don't remember what it was, but I don't remember feeling
• 1:50:38
  that way about that particular scene.
• 1:50:41
  But yeah, like that never happened.
• 1:50:44
  Like he doesn't find nobody. And I was like, I was like, oh,
• 1:50:53
  maybe they're trying to downplay the scene because there is no
• 1:50:57
  scene. The scene is irrelevant.
• 1:50:59
  Oh, very true. Like maybe they picked the music
• 1:51:01
  so that it's almost to throw us off the scent.
• 1:51:04
  Exactly. So I was like by the end, but
• 1:51:07
  while I was in that moment, you. Were like, what's up with him?
• 1:51:12
  Exactly. Watching this man getting beaten
• 1:51:16
  up and this kid all beaten up and this mother all beat, I was
• 1:51:20
  like, I don't like it So because it always felt like it was this
• 1:51:26
  disrespectful to like the hard moment that we were watching on
• 1:51:31
  screen. But then again, you come back 6
• 1:51:35
  episodes later or however many, 5, four episodes like, well,
• 1:51:39
  however many and it's like it's irrelevant because that scene
• 1:51:43
  never happened. And it's kind of like, OK.
• 1:51:47
  Yeah, I think around here they said like, he goes to the police
• 1:51:50
  station and they're like, why were you?
• 1:51:52
  Why were you over there like that?
• 1:51:55
  The house is abandoned and all this stuff.
• 1:51:57
  He's like, that's not abandoned. I think it was around this time,
• 1:52:00
  episode 6-7, that I realized on original watch that Dio was not
• 1:52:08
  real. He's a hallucination.
• 1:52:11
  See. I had no clue, No clue until
• 1:52:14
  they hit you right with it and they reveal it.
• 1:52:18
  Yeah, I was like, no clue. Maybe, maybe I'm giving myself
• 1:52:22
  too much credit and it was around here that I was getting
• 1:52:24
  antsy and getting a little bit like, is DIO not like, but it's
• 1:52:30
  questioning. Yeah.
• 1:52:31
  But not fully accepting the fact that idea is not real.
• 1:52:37
  Unoriginal Watch. Let's shout this character and
• 1:52:41
  you it's. So it's so tangible.
• 1:52:45
  It's it's, it's hard to explain unless you watch it, but it is
• 1:52:48
  such a Tangier. It's like, again, I've made the
• 1:52:51
  comparison of 6th sense before. It's like sixth sense.
• 1:52:56
  Like, you're like, this is a real tangible person with real
• 1:53:01
  issues. They have a domestic violence
• 1:53:04
  situation at home, and he feels particularly called to save him
• 1:53:11
  because of his own past. It made total sense.
• 1:53:16
  It made sense. Yeah.
• 1:53:18
  And I was today, today when I finally like realized that DO
• 1:53:24
  was not, you know, it was part of his imagination.
• 1:53:28
  It was part of his psychosis and whatnot.
• 1:53:31
  I came, I had this thought. How is it that an imaginary
• 1:53:36
  character is more fleshed out in this show than in 50% of other
• 1:53:42
  shows out there where the characters are real like.
• 1:53:46
  Stop. It's like, how is it possible
• 1:53:50
  that they wrote an imaginary character so well that I would
• 1:53:56
  be hard pressed to believe you have to pay like super attention
• 1:54:01
  to every single detail to hit it on the nose before, you know, or
• 1:54:07
  to get first couple of episodes and, you know, or you, you have
• 1:54:11
  an inkling. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:54:13
  Like, you have to to be so. Yeah.
• 1:54:16
  So I goodness, yeah. I just have one note for episode
• 1:54:21
  6. Yeah.
• 1:54:22
  And I said, it's like the whole she goes into his bathroom and
• 1:54:28
  it's like the camel picture on the wall.
• 1:54:32
  And I wrote down like, because he says, do you know what the
• 1:54:36
  picture of the camel is? The nomads of four desert tie up
• 1:54:39
  their camels at night like this to a tree in the morning.
• 1:54:42
  They untie the rope, but the camel doesn't run away.
• 1:54:45
  It doesn't. It's because it remembers the
• 1:54:47
  night when it was tied to a tree, just like we remember our
• 1:54:51
  wounds from the past. It means that the wounds from
• 1:54:54
  the past, the trauma is holding onto our ankles right now.
• 1:54:58
  And I'm like, stop. Like, this is, it's so well
• 1:55:02
  written. It's imagery.
• 1:55:05
  It's imagery done so well. And it's such great dialogue
• 1:55:11
  because he's explaining exactly what he's feeling through this
• 1:55:17
  image and like, through art. The trauma.
• 1:55:19
  Yeah, this trauma is holding on to him.
• 1:55:22
  And I, I love that little like scene.
• 1:55:25
  I really did. Yeah, that was beautiful.
• 1:55:28
  So skipping to episode 8, they go on vacation to Okinawa and
• 1:55:35
  she tells him that she, I think earlier he had discovered that
• 1:55:39
  she had her passport in her purse at all times and it's
• 1:55:45
  because she always wants to be free and travel the world and
• 1:55:49
  that's why she always keeps it on her.
• 1:55:50
  So they go to Okinawa. She breaks her arm running
• 1:55:53
  through the parking lot on the way to the terminal.
• 1:55:57
  And that's why she has the cast. That's what we were talking
• 1:55:59
  about in the non spoiler section.
• 1:56:02
  How about the? Cast on her arm.
• 1:56:04
  Yeah. He says to her that if he could
• 1:56:09
  not write, he wouldn't know what to do.
• 1:56:12
  He jokes that maybe he'd kill himself, like Hemingway.
• 1:56:15
  And she says that if she was like, what if you couldn't
• 1:56:19
  write? Of course you could do other
• 1:56:21
  things, like trying to come at it from a different angle.
• 1:56:24
  Like, you don't have to kill yourself just because you can't
• 1:56:27
  write. That doesn't make no sense.
• 1:56:30
  Like you can do other things. She says she became a doctor
• 1:56:35
  because when the school kids started calling her dad a
• 1:56:38
  retard, she decided I'm going to become a doctor.
• 1:56:42
  And she did, out of pride. She wanted to learn more about
• 1:56:45
  the human mind, to understand her own mother better, as well
• 1:56:49
  as understand herself better. She said it was also an
• 1:56:52
  ascension of class and ambition because she grew up poor.
• 1:56:56
  She did. I really liked how she kind of
• 1:56:58
  broke down why she chose her profession.
• 1:57:01
  And it really had. It wasn't like a noble pursuit,
• 1:57:05
  right? Which I think is very key is
• 1:57:09
  that she was like, this is going to elevate me.
• 1:57:12
  You know, my father was completely incapacitated.
• 1:57:16
  Like, he became bedridden, essentially.
• 1:57:19
  My mom became a full time caregiver.
• 1:57:21
  And this affected me because I was bullied.
• 1:57:24
  Yeah, my father was bullied. And she's such a strong willed
• 1:57:28
  character. She was like, fuck all that
• 1:57:31
  noise. I'm going to become a doctor.
• 1:57:32
  Yeah, I'm getting one better. Yeah.
• 1:57:35
  OK. I'll level up, that's all.
• 1:57:37
  Yeah, and I love that. I think that's different, right?
• 1:57:42
  She. Wasn't like this.
• 1:57:42
  Compassionate. She's not this compassionate
• 1:57:45
  person and that's something that she works on throughout the show
• 1:57:49
  is she is compassionate, but she's not as compassionate as
• 1:57:54
  some of like the Doctors and other shows and other case
• 1:57:57
  dramas that you might come across.
• 1:57:59
  She is not inherently compassionate.
• 1:58:01
  It's something that she is working on and something that he
• 1:58:04
  helps her, the male lead helps her is to gain a new perspective
• 1:58:08
  on her patients and their unique plans of care.
• 1:58:12
  He causes her to ask different questions and empathize and
• 1:58:16
  breakdown even further her prejudices.
• 1:58:20
  So I really like that about this couple and about her as a
• 1:58:23
  doctor. In this scene, his phone rings,
• 1:58:28
  quote UN quote, but it doesn't. Dio is on the line and she goes,
• 1:58:33
  oh, does your phone ring? He's like, yeah, you didn't do
• 1:58:35
  it. And he gets up to talk to Dio.
• 1:58:37
  It is so fucking subtle. It's there, It's there.
• 1:58:40
  It's all there though. It's literally all there.
• 1:58:43
  I was so mad at myself for not catching me to that one.
• 1:58:46
  Yes, so mad. I know at the end of this
• 1:58:51
  episode they have sex on the beach.
• 1:58:53
  Big day. What a beautiful scene.
• 1:58:56
  Beautiful scene. Beautiful scene.
• 1:58:57
  Beautiful. Scene.
• 1:59:00
  She she cries post coitus. He's just like strokes her hair.
• 1:59:06
  He's crying with her. Definitely empathizing with her
• 1:59:11
  deeply. Where she's at, Yeah.
• 1:59:13
  Where she's at and he calls himself passive but really he's
• 1:59:18
  I think he's just empathizing with her.
• 1:59:19
  He's like feeling with her. And she asks him if he loves her
• 1:59:24
  and he says yes. And she goes but I don't love
• 1:59:30
  you yet. And I was like, she's so fucking
• 1:59:33
  real for that. Like she's so real.
• 1:59:37
  She's like, it's only been two months since we've known each
• 1:59:40
  other. And she's just like, I don't
• 1:59:43
  love you yet. Like I'm not there yet.
• 1:59:45
  I'm not going to say it back yet.
• 1:59:47
  And he just like takes it. Yeah, he's just like, OK, it's
• 1:59:50
  fine. That's cool.
• 1:59:51
  Yeah. She won't say why she's crying.
• 1:59:54
  She says she'll share it later and if he hears how bad she's
• 1:59:59
  really is, what she was thinking about and still loves her, then
• 2:00:02
  she'll believe that he loves her for real.
• 2:00:06
  Episode 10 and 11, it's them working through their
• 2:00:11
  relationship, you know, setting boundaries instead of him
• 2:00:15
  snapping at her that he's working and writing and not
• 2:00:19
  using a coherent sentence of like, hey, I'm working.
• 2:00:23
  Like can you come back in an hour or whatever?
• 2:00:25
  Or disappearing for days and not calling her while he works and
• 2:00:29
  neglecting food and sleep. Maybe they can agree to meet on
• 2:00:33
  certain days so then they come up with like, oh we'll meet on
• 2:00:35
  Fridays, we'll do date night, yadda yadda.
• 2:00:38
  The only note that I have for episode 10 is Dio being
• 2:00:45
  imaginary of our male Eat Get out of here.
• 2:00:49
  So that's that's when you realize.
• 2:00:52
  That is when I realized that that is the only note that I
• 2:00:56
  have for episode 10 because I was like, I get it.
• 2:01:02
  They're having this whole discourse of like they're trying
• 2:01:06
  to figure each other out. They're trying to, what they're
• 2:01:09
  really trying to do is they're trying to figure out how they as
• 2:01:14
  individuals slot into a relationship.
• 2:01:17
  That's what they're trying to do, right?
• 2:01:19
  And I was like, yes, this is very important.
• 2:01:22
  What about DIO just happened? What just happened?
• 2:01:26
  What the fuck just happened? Exactly because that's when you
• 2:01:30
  start to see like his brother gets called in because they find
• 2:01:35
  his purse out by the house. Like he gets to look at the
• 2:01:41
  camera footage and he's just like in his fetal position.
• 2:01:44
  And the Caddy is the TV footage of him in the field on the
• 2:01:50
  street fighting with nobody. Yeah, is jarring.
• 2:01:55
  It's so jarring. I was like, what?
• 2:01:57
  Just so that for that episode and then like even to episode
• 2:02:02
  11, that was all my brain was focused on and they were having
• 2:02:08
  all the like these conversations and yes, I I clocked to those
• 2:02:11
  and yes, I was watching, but all like my, I was like, it felt
• 2:02:15
  like I was being told. And exactly, you're reeling from
• 2:02:20
  that and you almost, almost miss everything that's happening with
• 2:02:25
  our main couple because you're like, but, but I just got hit
• 2:02:28
  with this and This is why I am not a big rewatcher, but I
• 2:02:34
  think. You might need to rewatch it.
• 2:02:36
  Yeah, but I was like, at some point, not in the immediate
• 2:02:40
  future, you know, not right now. I would say, you know, in a
• 2:02:44
  couple of years time or whatever, it would be something
• 2:02:47
  that I would probably not mind going back because now knowing
• 2:02:51
  what it is and what's happening, I would probably pick up on
• 2:02:54
  other things that I was just like, for these two episodes,
• 2:02:57
  like I said, I was just like, what?
• 2:02:59
  What, what, what, what, what, What do you know that meme, that
• 2:03:03
  Jennifer Lawrence meme of meme, You know, what do you mean?
• 2:03:08
  That was me. I was like, what do you mean?
• 2:03:11
  He said that. What do you mean?
• 2:03:14
  I thought I was I was waiting for Adm from you or a voice note
• 2:03:19
  from you for when when you got to these episodes, because I
• 2:03:24
  recommend their show to people every so often and I expect them
• 2:03:30
  to circle back and be like, what the fuck?
• 2:03:32
  Like, because these couple of episodes is when it's truly
• 2:03:37
  like, this is a reveal. This is when shit hits the fan.
• 2:03:41
  I feel like these are the episodes when they walk away
• 2:03:45
  from the ROM com. Like they start, there's still
• 2:03:49
  bits there, but this is the breakaway from the ROM com and I
• 2:03:53
  could kind of understand. A tonal shift.
• 2:03:56
  The tonal shift, this is when it happens.
• 2:04:00
  But like to me, whereas some people might find that, I don't
• 2:04:04
  know, they don't like it or they might find that it's, you know,
• 2:04:08
  they don't see it coming. I always thought there was going
• 2:04:12
  to be a tonal shift. I just didn't think it was going
• 2:04:15
  to be done in this manner. I didn't expect it to be with
• 2:04:19
  him getting severely, you know, him being ill and him having.
• 2:04:24
  Yeah, like I didn't see that necessarily being the tonal
• 2:04:29
  shift, but I saw that there was going to be 1 coming because
• 2:04:33
  like you can't stain, you know, 16 episodes.
• 2:04:37
  And plus by that point our female lead is fairly, we've got
• 2:04:43
  quotation marks exactly. So like.
• 2:04:46
  What else is going to happen? So it's going to have to be his
• 2:04:51
  story in the second-half. And I always thought it was
• 2:04:54
  going to be his brother and like that whole situation, which it
• 2:04:58
  is, right, It is, but I always thought but it's not at the same
• 2:05:03
  time because it's like it's the male lead.
• 2:05:07
  That's where the focus is on it's truly.
• 2:05:09
  Smart. I mean, it's their story and how
• 2:05:11
  they, how they endure, how they work through it, how she
• 2:05:15
  processes this news and how he processes the news that he's
• 2:05:21
  actually schizophrenic. Yeah.
• 2:05:24
  It's wild. I'm like, it's wild.
• 2:05:27
  I yeah, for those two episodes, like I said, I was just reeling.
• 2:05:32
  I was like, what do you mean? And.
• 2:05:35
  It's not like they didn't. It's not like they did it like
• 2:05:38
  without laying any Easter eggs for us.
• 2:05:42
  It's there. It's there.
• 2:05:44
  This was. Always the plan.
• 2:05:47
  Yeah, and as soon as they say it, it clicks in your mind.
• 2:05:50
  You're like, Oh my God. This makes sense this.
• 2:05:52
  Scene makes sense. This makes how did I not see
• 2:05:55
  that how dumb I am? And it's like it's brilliant
• 2:06:01
  that a script or a show makes you feel dumb in the best way,
• 2:06:06
  in the best way. Because it's like, because I
• 2:06:11
  watching this now, I've watched a lot of dramas, a lot of
• 2:06:16
  things, and I feel like I can see a lot of things coming.
• 2:06:20
  Like it just sort of happens. Yeah, you get comfortable with
• 2:06:25
  the plot piece, with the writing, the style.
• 2:06:28
  You just, and I'm sure other people that have watched lots of
• 2:06:31
  dramas feel the same way. You're it takes a lot for to
• 2:06:34
  surprise you. Exactly.
• 2:06:36
  Exactly. So when it's a lot rarer
• 2:06:40
  nowadays that I'm like so shocked and so caught off God,
• 2:06:44
  Oh my God, I promise. And this happened and I was
• 2:06:48
  like, what? What?
• 2:06:50
  Oh my. God, I'm like turning red.
• 2:06:54
  I'm so like jazzed. I'm like so pumped.
• 2:06:57
  Yeah, so I I was just like, I can't believe that a 10 year old
• 2:07:03
  drama is that is like it's that good.
• 2:07:06
  I can predict the plots of pretty much touch everything
• 2:07:09
  that I'm watching right now, but a 10 year old drama is just like
• 2:07:13
  taking it out. Yeah.
• 2:07:15
  I like I said, those two episodes, I was absolutely
• 2:07:18
  reeling. Absolutely reeling.
• 2:07:21
  Yeah. And I have to say, going back to
• 2:07:24
  the fan wars for a minute for it's it's OK to not be OK.
• 2:07:28
  There is a twist in it's OK to not be OK.
• 2:07:32
  There is for the identity of a character that you had seen
• 2:07:35
  throughout the show. I always felt that that was the
• 2:07:39
  most contrived, shitty reveal of the show.
• 2:07:45
  Because they've done. So much better.
• 2:07:47
  They could have written it better.
• 2:07:49
  Like it was just not it. There were no Easter eggs.
• 2:07:53
  It comes out of nowhere. It comes out of nowhere.
• 2:07:55
  That is, you know, a tonal shift really big that nobody sees
• 2:08:01
  coming. Like, but you don't see it
• 2:08:02
  coming because there's nothing there.
• 2:08:05
  This I will absolutely agree. This one, for example, it makes
• 2:08:11
  you feel dumb because it's all there, like all there, all
• 2:08:15
  appeal, all the info. Yeah.
• 2:08:16
  You just don't know how to put it together until they you.
• 2:08:19
  Just got bamboozled. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:08:22
  Whereas with it's OK to not be OK, they don't give you
• 2:08:29
  anything. So when it happens it's like I'm
• 2:08:31
  not dumb, they just didn't do it properly.
• 2:08:34
  Right, right. So I'm being facetious, but
• 2:08:38
  like, if you want to talk about writing.
• 2:08:41
  Anyway, going back to our show, I am so glad that it caught you
• 2:08:47
  off guard. Oh my God, so off God.
• 2:08:50
  I was not prepared for what hit me and by that point I love that
• 2:08:54
  character. I.
• 2:08:56
  You're so invested in his journey, in his, in his
• 2:09:01
  problems, in his complexes and in his childhood trauma.
• 2:09:06
  Everything about him is so clear.
• 2:09:10
  Yeah, I wanted him to finish his book and succeed and get out of
• 2:09:16
  that shitty situation with his mother.
• 2:09:19
  And then it's like, oh, OK, then it does come back.
• 2:09:23
  And he says, if you want to see me, just look in the mirror and
• 2:09:27
  look at what you've built. And that's the scene that we
• 2:09:30
  have to get to because bowling, I was bowling.
• 2:09:34
  And The thing is, I was watching this every day before I went to
• 2:09:38
  work, like, because I have time in the morning.
• 2:09:41
  And I was, like, crying my eyes out.
• 2:09:44
  And I'm like, what do I do with myself?
• 2:09:47
  Like, what do I do with myself going into work now?
• 2:09:51
  But yeah, it's like, you care about this character.
• 2:09:54
  You want to see him succeed. You want to see him?
• 2:09:57
  Well, exactly. And it's like, oh, he's not
• 2:10:00
  real. He's not.
• 2:10:03
  OK, So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go really fast through the
• 2:10:07
  next couple of episodes and then we're gonna get into the finale
• 2:10:10
  episodes and we can talk about his treatment because that's
• 2:10:13
  what the final few episodes is, is because he has to get
• 2:10:16
  admitted. Like there's no other way around
• 2:10:18
  it. Yeah.
• 2:10:19
  So yeah, in episode 11 they go on a on a talk show cuz he's got
• 2:10:25
  he's like a radio DJ part time. They talk about the Before
• 2:10:30
  trilogy from Richard Linklater. Do you know those 3 movies?
• 2:10:34
  No, I don't. Oh my God you have to watch
• 2:10:38
  those 3 movies they're so good. It stars I.
• 2:10:41
  Swear to God, every time I record with you, you discover
• 2:10:45
  that I haven't watched something you.
• 2:10:47
  Gotta watch these movies. They're so good.
• 2:10:50
  You have to watch them. It's called the before trilogy
• 2:10:52
  because there's 3 movies in the trilogy and they all have before
• 2:10:55
  in the title. So it stars Julie Delpy and
• 2:10:59
  Ethan Hawke when they, I've totally forgot that they did
• 2:11:02
  this, but he they particularly talk about Before Midnight,
• 2:11:05
  which is the last movie in the trilogy and it shows.
• 2:11:09
  It's the same couple at different phases in their life,
• 2:11:13
  at different stages in their relationship.
• 2:11:16
  And at this stage and before midnight, they're married and
• 2:11:20
  they're in their 40's. The female lead chose to cover
• 2:11:24
  this movie on his radio show for the ending scene, which is a big
• 2:11:31
  fight. And in this point in the show,
• 2:11:33
  they're fighting like they're they're on the House.
• 2:11:37
  Yeah, she says. For me, unlike the two main
• 2:11:40
  characters in Notting Hill or Pretty Woman, not because
• 2:11:43
  they're characters whom anyone would fall in love with, not
• 2:11:47
  because they're pretty, sexy, cool, nor because they're young,
• 2:11:51
  but just because it's you, just because it is that person, even
• 2:11:55
  if they are a little lacking, I'll tempered and old, they're
• 2:11:59
  loving relationship despite all that was very moving to me, just
• 2:12:04
  like the couple. And before midnight, they
• 2:12:06
  reconcile at the end of the movie and they reconcile at the
• 2:12:10
  end of the broadcast. And I thought that was a very
• 2:12:14
  like they the pull of the Before trilogy is so cool and
• 2:12:23
  significant to me because they've have characteristics of
• 2:12:28
  those two characters from the Before trilogy, Ethan Hawke's
• 2:12:32
  character and Julie Delby. They are like very witty and
• 2:12:37
  clever and well read intelligent people that are constantly
• 2:12:43
  butting heads intellectually and like having these teta tets and
• 2:12:48
  and verbal teta tets. It's this like bickering banter
• 2:12:52
  between them? Yeah.
• 2:12:54
  Quick dialogue, but they have this intense sexual chemistry
• 2:12:59
  and they love each other and they would do anything for each
• 2:13:02
  other and they'd just grow together.
• 2:13:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is what this couple is.
• 2:13:08
  It it definitely is. So they go grocery shopping
• 2:13:12
  together in this episode as well, which is very significant.
• 2:13:14
  It's a very domestic chore. Only committed couples of
• 2:13:18
  married couples do this in Korea.
• 2:13:20
  So it's a very big deal. And she's so contrary.
• 2:13:24
  I just love that she's almost purposely difficult, like in
• 2:13:29
  this moment especially. She asks if he prefers seasoned
• 2:13:32
  soybeans or horseradish. Soybeans, he says seasoned.
• 2:13:35
  She puts the opposite in the cart.
• 2:13:37
  She asks apple juice or orange juice.
• 2:13:40
  He says apple juice she gets. She puts orange juice in the
• 2:13:42
  cart and says they can juice the apples they have at home and
• 2:13:45
  drink that. His face is so priceless.
• 2:13:48
  He's just like, like, Oh, my God, like, he's like, so annoyed
• 2:13:56
  but mildly entertained. And she kisses him in the aisle
• 2:14:00
  and there's couples all in the background.
• 2:14:02
  And it's just such a cool scene. Like, you're just like, Oh my
• 2:14:05
  God. Like they're going all the way.
• 2:14:07
  They've been talking all this time about, like, marriage.
• 2:14:10
  And they talk about babies in the next scene.
• 2:14:13
  He wants 3, she wants one. This was, I think, the moment
• 2:14:17
  where I, like, deviated from really liking him to, like,
• 2:14:20
  maybe not so much. And it's just my personal
• 2:14:22
  preference. She asked what his ideal wife
• 2:14:25
  would be, and he says his ideal wife would give birth every
• 2:14:29
  three years to a total of three children, spacing out the kids
• 2:14:33
  as one does every exactly every three years.
• 2:14:36
  And Yep, have dinner ready when he gets home.
• 2:14:39
  Just basically be a stay at home mom.
• 2:14:41
  And she laughs in his face. She's like, like.
• 2:14:45
  That's not me. Yeah, that's not me.
• 2:14:48
  Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.
• 2:14:50
  Not happening. And it's just like such a common
• 2:14:55
  thing that you hear Korean men want the stay at home mom or
• 2:15:00
  just that concept of women will quit their jobs when they get
• 2:15:05
  married, quit their jobs when they have children in Korea,
• 2:15:08
  which contributes to them just not getting paid as much in
• 2:15:12
  Korea and and the gender wage gap and all sorts of shit right
• 2:15:19
  in Korea. And she's over here.
• 2:15:22
  She is a highly educated professional.
• 2:15:25
  She's like, I've worked hard for my degree.
• 2:15:27
  She's like. I have speed debt and I'm not
• 2:15:30
  gonna give up my profession. I like worked hard.
• 2:15:36
  She's like, maybe I want one, if that.
• 2:15:41
  If that. She's just so real, like it's a
• 2:15:44
  tangible character. Anyway, moving forward, his
• 2:15:47
  hallucination gets stronger and stronger with Dio.
• 2:15:51
  It's revealed that neither brother, the male lead or the
• 2:15:54
  imprisoned brother killed the stepdad.
• 2:15:57
  He died of asphyxiation. So the mother who lit the fire
• 2:16:01
  that burned their house down is to blame.
• 2:16:04
  She's the one who actually killed the stepfather.
• 2:16:06
  The mother is under like disassociation.
• 2:16:09
  She's completely forgotten that she did this arson back in the
• 2:16:15
  day which ended up killing the dad.
• 2:16:17
  The fact, the way that the doctor put that together,
• 2:16:20
  though? Oh yeah, that the mirror thing.
• 2:16:24
  Yeah, I was just like, really? Really I was like, that's a
• 2:16:28
  threat I will let. You have it.
• 2:16:29
  Yeah, Yeah. I'll let you have it.
• 2:16:31
  There's been a lot of like non K dramatisms in this.
• 2:16:34
  We'll give you this K Dramatism. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:16:36
  We'll let you have it. We'll, we'll look the other way.
• 2:16:41
  So he proposes to her at the end of this episode.
• 2:16:45
  She's shocked, she's shocked. And I think at the beginning of
• 2:16:49
  episode 12, he basically tells her, like, put me into your life
• 2:16:53
  schedule. I've already put you into mine,
• 2:16:56
  which is a very nice concept because she's like, I have all
• 2:16:59
  these plans. I want to travel and go in
• 2:17:01
  sabbatical for a year and like, it's going to be very difficult
• 2:17:04
  to keep a hold of this relationship, yadda, yadda,
• 2:17:06
  yadda. And he's like, plan for me
• 2:17:08
  because I'm playing for you. Yeah.
• 2:17:10
  Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the last three
• 2:17:12
  episodes. My God, where do you want to
• 2:17:14
  start, God? Where do you want to start?
• 2:17:17
  Well, but the fact that they, obviously the doctor and the
• 2:17:22
  friend find out and diagnose him and then, you know, the Sunbey
• 2:17:28
  and the friend find out and they have to bring it up to her and
• 2:17:33
  she's just in denial. Like for the first little bit
• 2:17:37
  she's in denial, but her mind starts clicking things together
• 2:17:43
  and they're like, he is becoming a danger to himself.
• 2:17:47
  Has he shown you know? And she starts.
• 2:17:50
  Regressive self harm behaviors. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:53
  He's she starts putting these together and being like, Oh my
• 2:17:56
  God, this is happening. And then that's when they sort
• 2:18:00
  of bring his mother in and they kind of tell her that they're
• 2:18:05
  going to have to have him committed.
• 2:18:08
  And it's like, that must have been tough on a female lead to
• 2:18:13
  have to say that to the mother and to be like, this needs to
• 2:18:17
  happen now. Maybe would have been better if
• 2:18:20
  an unrelated Dr. put that across to the mother as opposed to the
• 2:18:25
  girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:18:26
  This whole thing of like conflict of interest, friends of
• 2:18:30
  his psychiatrist, friends of his are handling his care,
• 2:18:35
  diagnosing him, treating him, and his girlfriend is working in
• 2:18:39
  the same hospital in the same ward as him being treated.
• 2:18:44
  Not supposed to see him. Not supposed to see him.
• 2:18:47
  She's like breaking hospital rules.
• 2:18:49
  She does get disciplined, but it's like a slap on the wrist.
• 2:18:53
  Basically, yeah. It's like very unethical.
• 2:18:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say that is one thing
• 2:19:03
  about this drama, but it is quite unethical in certain
• 2:19:07
  places. But maybe, you know, 10 week,
• 2:19:09
  this is where you have to give it a bit of grace and be like,
• 2:19:13
  this was 10 years ago. It's AK drama.
• 2:19:17
  It's AK drama, yeah. You got to give it a bit of
• 2:19:21
  grace. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:19:23
  So, So for me then episode 14 is like one of the episodes that I
• 2:19:28
  have quite a lot of notes because a lot happens in episode
• 2:19:32
  14 because like, it's, it's the scene basically where he gets
• 2:19:38
  into a car accident and he's seeing oh God, dying.
• 2:19:46
  So that's, and I'm like sobbing, absolutely sobbing because
• 2:19:51
  nobody sees it. But to him, that is his reality.
• 2:19:55
  Yeah, that is what's happening. And he's begging everybody
• 2:20:00
  around him to save DO he's like, I'm trying to just save him.
• 2:20:04
  Just sit. And he's begging our female
• 2:20:06
  lead, and our female lead is just like holding on to him for
• 2:20:10
  dear life at this point. And it's just like, Oh my God,
• 2:20:16
  Oh my God. And I'm like sobbing, absolutely
• 2:20:20
  sobbing throughout that. The acting in this scene, Oh my
• 2:20:24
  God, phenomenal. Oh my God, phenomenal.
• 2:20:27
  Not only from our main couple, but everybody around him and
• 2:20:31
  from DO like this is his first role.
• 2:20:35
  And I'm like. DoD throughout the show is just
• 2:20:40
  devastating. He is, he is, He's so.
• 2:20:43
  Good, he's. So good.
• 2:20:46
  This is his first acting role. I would have never guessed.
• 2:20:51
  No, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either.
• 2:20:53
  I would have thought he came from the Juilliard School of
• 2:20:56
  yadda yadda yadda because he is that good.
• 2:21:00
  It's crazy. It's crazy.
• 2:21:02
  And then obviously. Unassailable.
• 2:21:05
  It's, it's, it's wild. And then our male lead gets put
• 2:21:09
  into care, he gets admitted. And like one of the lines that I
• 2:21:13
  have is him, you just see the shift because obviously he's on
• 2:21:19
  all of these medications and he's just like vacant.
• 2:21:22
  He's not there. Like he's not there.
• 2:21:25
  And the acting for this is insane.
• 2:21:30
  Insane because up to this point, we've seen this almost larger
• 2:21:35
  than life character. We've seen this very funny
• 2:21:39
  character, this. And this is the point.
• 2:21:43
  Yeah. This is the point.
• 2:21:44
  You realize, Oh, my God, A lot of it was an act, a persona that
• 2:21:50
  he put out to the world so that he would, you know, keep people
• 2:21:55
  away. And I, and even then he says it,
• 2:22:00
  he says it to a female lead. She isn't supposed to visit him,
• 2:22:04
  but she does. And he says to her, I'm not like
• 2:22:09
  myself in here of seeing Gong Wu is a disease.
• 2:22:12
  I'll cure it myself. And it's just like, Oh, no.
• 2:22:18
  Oh my God, Gong. Wu is like his safety blanket.
• 2:22:23
  That is his safety blanket and he it's like taking that away
• 2:22:27
  from somebody. It is.
• 2:22:29
  It must be. Because he needs him.
• 2:22:32
  He needs him. He needs him.
• 2:22:33
  And it's just like you get to the point where he's just like,
• 2:22:36
  I don't know what's real. I don't know.
• 2:22:38
  Like I can't. I can't imagine.
• 2:22:43
  I can't. That's something that I can't
• 2:22:45
  imagine. You know myself, I've never been
• 2:22:50
  through that. And I think it's one of those
• 2:22:52
  things where unless you've been through a situation like that,
• 2:22:55
  yes, we can try to empathize with the character, but we're
• 2:22:59
  not going to know what it's truly like.
• 2:23:03
  To the point where he is a broken man.
• 2:23:06
  He is vacant, he's almost not there.
• 2:23:08
  And he is even saying to this girlfriend that he wanted to
• 2:23:12
  marry. I don't know if you're real.
• 2:23:14
  I don't know what's real. I'm not me.
• 2:23:16
  I don't know like. What's?
• 2:23:18
  Happening anymore, I don't feel like myself.
• 2:23:21
  And it takes courage on her part to step away and be like, but
• 2:23:27
  this is what's best for you. Like I can't this me not doing
• 2:23:32
  anything is me helping you. I can't get you out of here.
• 2:23:36
  And it's just like, it is such beautifully well written.
• 2:23:42
  It is angsty. It is this, you know, gut
• 2:23:44
  wrenching, like you're saying. It's just so well acted because
• 2:23:48
  you have these two broken people.
• 2:23:52
  And it's she becomes almost his reason in a sense to kind of,
• 2:23:58
  you know, hold on. And I don't know, I it's just so
• 2:24:02
  well written. It's just so well written, so
• 2:24:05
  well acted. Her family demands that she
• 2:24:08
  break up with him. Oh.
• 2:24:10
  My God yes I wrote down because I was like I can see on this
• 2:24:15
  watch coming from. I completely understood the
• 2:24:18
  family. I understood it like I didn't.
• 2:24:22
  I didn't agree with them, but I understood them.
• 2:24:25
  That's my point. Because like to especially to
• 2:24:29
  her mother, her mother is a constant caregiver.
• 2:24:34
  She doesn't want her daughter to be in that situation.
• 2:24:38
  And although it's very different situations, like there is no
• 2:24:42
  cure for her father, for him with the right medication and
• 2:24:46
  the right observations. He can have a good quality of
• 2:24:50
  life. Exactly.
• 2:24:51
  So it's very different for her mother.
• 2:24:56
  All she can see is this tag of disability of this tag of her
• 2:25:01
  daughter, this stigma that her daughter is going to have to
• 2:25:04
  care for her partner, that her daughter is going to have to
• 2:25:08
  give more of herself then she's going to get back.
• 2:25:12
  And that's probably all the mother can see.
• 2:25:15
  So actually when I first watched it, I was so angry at the at it.
• 2:25:19
  I was so angry at the mother, but a little bit like as I was
• 2:25:23
  sitting on it and I was, you know, thinking through it, I was
• 2:25:28
  like, actually, I don't agree with the actions, but I
• 2:25:31
  understand the actions. I understand where they're
• 2:25:34
  coming from. So.
• 2:25:36
  So yeah. I don't think I, I don't agree
• 2:25:38
  and I don't, I don't think it was right for her to slap her
• 2:25:42
  and like get lay hands on her and stuff like that.
• 2:25:45
  But I understand where it was coming from and what she said.
• 2:25:48
  And at one point she even says, do you know what it's like to
• 2:25:51
  live with a patient? And like that says it all.
• 2:25:53
  Like that is the crux of the issue is that she would be not
• 2:25:58
  living with a partner, living with a patient.
• 2:26:01
  Something else that was added, which I did not like this
• 2:26:04
  character. I thought this was the worst
• 2:26:06
  written character of the show, especially when everybody else
• 2:26:08
  is so well written. The sister.
• 2:26:11
  Oh. I didn't like.
• 2:26:12
  Her she added nothing, added nothing they could have.
• 2:26:15
  Written out. Yeah, she was not necessary.
• 2:26:17
  Yeah, she was not necessary. She says this juicy ass bit in
• 2:26:21
  this episode. She says because she quits her
• 2:26:23
  job at the cafe, which I guess she felt obligated to do because
• 2:26:27
  that's homeboys building and technically his his cafe.
• 2:26:31
  She comes in and like glares at the female lead and says that
• 2:26:35
  she went to Community College because of her because the
• 2:26:39
  sister, like the female lead, went to medical school.
• 2:26:42
  Yeah, but she worked her ass off to get there.
• 2:26:46
  But the family could only afford to send one of the daughters to
• 2:26:51
  a very expensive or prestigious school.
• 2:26:55
  So there's a lot of resentment and bitterness there.
• 2:26:57
  And we never unpacked that at all in the show or even hinted
• 2:27:02
  that that was there until this one moment.
• 2:27:06
  And I was like, oh, that didn't like that.
• 2:27:09
  But that was juicy. Earlier in this episode, the
• 2:27:13
  brother, the imprisoned brother that I think by now is out,
• 2:27:17
  tells the Sunday doc to unleash the truth of the whole situation
• 2:27:22
  on his disassociated mom, on the mother.
• 2:27:27
  But the doc someday says no, you should do it yourself.
• 2:27:32
  I. Didn't understand that the.
• 2:27:34
  This is what he said. Like basically he was saying
• 2:27:37
  you're so abrasive and basically you could just torture her with
• 2:27:41
  the truth until she remembers the quote is there's no medical
• 2:27:45
  basis. But who knows, Like maybe it'll
• 2:27:47
  work. And I was like, what?
• 2:27:51
  What do you mean what? Do you mean torture the poor
• 2:27:55
  woman with the truth until she like, has a breakthrough?
• 2:27:59
  Are you? Joking.
• 2:28:01
  Oh, you break her and she has a breakdown.
• 2:28:04
  Yeah, like I was like, that's just wrong.
• 2:28:06
  So I feel like they gave the Sombe doc like the most
• 2:28:09
  questionable like medical practice things in the whole
• 2:28:15
  show. I have the quote from when she
• 2:28:18
  goes to see the female lead goes to see him.
• 2:28:21
  This is against ethical standards, against his plan of
• 2:28:24
  care, against hospital regulation.
• 2:28:26
  She's not supposed to see him. And she goes in and they're
• 2:28:30
  having this conversation. It's just like you said, he's
• 2:28:32
  like really vacant. He's low energy and he looks
• 2:28:37
  bad. And he says words won't come to
• 2:28:41
  me that well. It's hard to walk to.
• 2:28:43
  I want to see you but suddenly get sleepy even now seeing you
• 2:28:48
  in a while. I want to make you laugh, but I
• 2:28:50
  don't know how to make you laugh.
• 2:28:52
  I can't think of any words. I want to hug you but I don't
• 2:28:56
  think I can. I'm not sexy, huh?
• 2:28:59
  And I started crying. Broken I was.
• 2:29:02
  So I started crying, sobbing. I was, I lost it because he
• 2:29:07
  said. Being here, I feel so small.
• 2:29:09
  Jess, when I tell you I started crying in episode 13 and I did
• 2:29:15
  not stop crying until episode 16, I was just like sobbing the
• 2:29:21
  whole way through those last episodes, completely sobbing.
• 2:29:26
  It was so much. It was so so much very high
• 2:29:31
  intensity emotions the last few episodes and thankfully like we
• 2:29:36
  do get a happy ending. We do we.
• 2:29:39
  Do we do like there's like several time jumps, I think in
• 2:29:43
  the last episode. She does go on sabbatical and
• 2:29:47
  travel while he gets treatment. He's in and out of treatment.
• 2:29:51
  He does make a comeback. Oh my God, that scene episode
• 2:29:55
  15, I I have to talk about it. I have to talk about it in where
• 2:30:01
  he no. The goodbye to Dio.
• 2:30:04
  Yeah, but just before that he finally clicked that Dio's
• 2:30:10
  character is not real. Right, because she tells him.
• 2:30:13
  She tells him to find the contradiction in the illusion in
• 2:30:16
  order to break it. She's like, there's always
• 2:30:19
  something wrong. Yeah.
• 2:30:21
  About it, about the hallucination.
• 2:30:24
  And it's not the doctors that can find it, it's only you.
• 2:30:28
  It's him, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:30:30
  And it's the fact that he's been the same age and the same, yeah,
• 2:30:34
  school kid for three years. Or it was so awful.
• 2:30:39
  He's like, what year? He asked EO, what year are you
• 2:30:43
  in? In high school?
• 2:30:44
  He's like, oh, I'm in second year and he's like, how long
• 2:30:47
  have we known each other? He's like three years.
• 2:30:50
  Don't don't like. It's just.
• 2:30:51
  Such a moment and everything starts coming back, yeah.
• 2:30:56
  And then he starts noticing all the wrong things that he didn't
• 2:31:00
  see or didn't realize before. And he gets admitted again.
• 2:31:04
  And then he washes his feet and he brings out some trainers.
• 2:31:10
  And I think I just have this. And I wrote it down because in
• 2:31:14
  episode 16, he says, so Dio's character says, shouldn't I come
• 2:31:18
  anymore? And he says, my girlfriend said
• 2:31:21
  to say thank you, that if I hadn't met you, I probably
• 2:31:24
  wouldn't have survived the guilt.
• 2:31:26
  I was actually comforting me as I was comforting you.
• 2:31:30
  Thank you for everything, Guanggu.
• 2:31:31
  I realized after I met you, even though I act tough, the assaults
• 2:31:36
  from my stepfather and brother were really scary.
• 2:31:39
  I really hated how weak I was for not being able to do
• 2:31:42
  anything while my mom was being beaten.
• 2:31:45
  When I was running away barefoot, even though I wasn't
• 2:31:49
  crying, I was really scared. It's all in the past now, right?
• 2:31:53
  I think I've become quite a decent adult now.
• 2:31:56
  And then he goes, I'm leaving and I'm like.
• 2:31:59
  Zombing And he's like, even Dio says like even if you see me
• 2:32:03
  again, like don't acknowledge me.
• 2:32:06
  Yeah, just ignore me. Just ignore me.
• 2:32:10
  I can't. I can't.
• 2:32:11
  I can't. And I'm like, I'm tearing up.
• 2:32:13
  Just it's always about it. I know it's always been a
• 2:32:17
  facsimile of himself, right? A mirror image of his younger
• 2:32:22
  self. And so it's like it's, it's a
• 2:32:23
  part of him. It's just so layered and deep.
• 2:32:30
  It's I, yeah. You know, healing your inner
• 2:32:33
  child kind of thing. And yeah.
• 2:32:37
  And. Not that all schizophrenic
• 2:32:38
  patients have such a, like, inner child hallucination that
• 2:32:44
  they need to say goodbye to and make peace with, but like, in
• 2:32:47
  this specific K drama case, that's what was happening, Yeah.
• 2:32:53
  And actually, I think watching it, so I'm just going to mention
• 2:32:57
  this because I, I thought it was quite interesting.
• 2:33:00
  Daily Dose of Sunshine has a schizophrenic story in it.
• 2:33:05
  And they say it's really stigmatized in South Korea to
• 2:33:10
  the point where they won't like rent to people houses and stuff
• 2:33:15
  if they know that this is schizophrenic and whatnot.
• 2:33:19
  And like having watched that in Daily Dose of Sunshine and then
• 2:33:23
  seeing it, you know, in this drama 10 years ago, it was
• 2:33:27
  really like impactful. And I think that's what kind of
• 2:33:31
  made me click even more with the mother situation as well.
• 2:33:35
  And I was like, the way that they did it here, it really
• 2:33:39
  worked. It really really worked.
• 2:33:42
  I think that we have to say one last thing about the twist is
• 2:33:46
  the significance is also in the fact that Choin Song, this
• 2:33:49
  household name, this Hot K drama actor has a mental illness like
• 2:33:56
  he, he is suffering from a very serious schizophrenia, a very
• 2:34:02
  stigmatized illness in Korea that a lot of people don't even
• 2:34:06
  a 10 years ago, let alone today, don't even know the symptoms,
• 2:34:09
  don't even know like what that is, how to treat it, yadda yadda
• 2:34:13
  yadda. To see him of all people be the
• 2:34:17
  vehicle for this story, I think is brilliant.
• 2:34:22
  Like, that's part of the brilliance of the show.
• 2:34:24
  Yeah. Is that he's the one that told
• 2:34:27
  the story like through him is is how people are learning about
• 2:34:30
  this? Yeah, and it's heart wrenching.
• 2:34:33
  And it's heartbreaking. It's good shit.
• 2:34:35
  It's good drama as well. Yeah, so.
• 2:34:37
  Good. It's so good, it's so good.
• 2:34:39
  We got through the end of the show.
• 2:34:41
  I'll as we said, it's a happy ending.
• 2:34:43
  I don't know if we want to go like going to do that.
• 2:34:44
  She they get married, she gets pregnant, and they're still
• 2:34:47
  living in the house with the housemates.
• 2:34:49
  I will say, I will say I really enjoyed.
• 2:34:52
  That's just like my last little thing.
• 2:34:54
  I really, really enjoyed the fact that coming out on the
• 2:34:58
  other side, she still went and did what she was supposed to do.
• 2:35:01
  She didn't stop herself because she was meant to go abroad to do
• 2:35:06
  some medical thing. You know she's going to work
• 2:35:09
  abroad or something. She's going to answer that.
• 2:35:11
  Yeah, yeah. And he's like, that's fine.
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  You go do you? We can still be, you know, we'll
• 2:35:17
  work on each other. And it's like it's beautiful
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  that they went away. They worked on each other and
• 2:35:22
  they came back even stronger than before.
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  And I'm like, I this is brilliant writing because like.
• 2:35:28
  It's a time jump done correctly. Exactly.
• 2:35:32
  That's exactly what I thought. It's not a time jump for time
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  jump's. Sake.
• 2:35:36
  Exactly. It's not a breakup.
• 2:35:38
  They don't break up for breakup's sake.
• 2:35:41
  It's not, it's not even that. It's just that they go away.
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  They work on each other, you know, they work on themselves.
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  They have the goals that they like.
• 2:35:49
  He needs to get better and like she can't even be that.
• 2:35:52
  She's she's not allowed to be there like ethically and like
• 2:35:57
  for a plethora of reasons, she really can't help him in this
• 2:36:00
  journey. And she is his goal and her
• 2:36:04
  goals were already there from the get go.
• 2:36:06
  Like she wanted to travel, she wanted to be free, she wanted to
• 2:36:09
  go on sabbatical and she always wanted that.
• 2:36:12
  So like they do that. Yeah, this is her showing, for
• 2:36:15
  example, her mother that she can still have her life and she can
• 2:36:19
  still be herself and she can still be in the relationship as
• 2:36:23
  well. It's like it's it's just so well
• 2:36:26
  done. This is a strong female lead.
• 2:36:30
  Well written. Like this is what I mean when I
• 2:36:33
  say I like strong female leads. It's the fact that the woman can
• 2:36:39
  have it all. She can have the relationship
• 2:36:41
  and she can have the career and she can do what men do.
• 2:36:46
  It's just like, I don't even know what else to say.
• 2:36:50
  I just, I loved it. I really did.
• 2:36:52
  This warms my heart if you have gotten this far in the episode
• 2:36:56
  Which. Is a really?
• 2:36:57
  Long one, thank you so much for listening this far and if you
• 2:37:01
  spoiled the whole show for yourself, I promise you you will
• 2:37:05
  not be disappointed. Watch the show for yourself and
• 2:37:09
  just experience it. There's a lot that we didn't
• 2:37:11
  talk about, a lot that we left on the table, so many scenes
• 2:37:14
  that we didn't dissect and this just not not enough time in in
• 2:37:17
  the day. Thank you so much for for doing
• 2:37:20
  this Liliana, for watching the all the 16 episodes and for deep
• 2:37:25
  diving on It's OK That's love. Where can people find you online
• 2:37:29
  in case they haven't listened to all the other episodes with you
• 2:37:31
  on it? Or any drama trio episodes?
• 2:37:35
  So you can catch the tea and soju see drama podcast on any,
• 2:37:40
  you know, if you're listening sites, Spotify, Apple podcasts,
• 2:37:44
  Amazon Music, all of those. And we don't just do, although
• 2:37:47
  we do focus mainly on Chinese dramas, we do dive into other
• 2:37:51
  Asian dramas too. And then on the socials, it's
• 2:37:55
  just tea and soju pod on all of them.
• 2:37:58
  So that's Instagram, TikTok X Twitter, Yeah, on all of those
• 2:38:04
  as well. Awesome.
• 2:38:05
  Thank you again, Liliana. We'll talk soon.
• 2:38:07
  So. Much.
• 2:38:08
  Yay. All right, that's been our show.
• 2:38:10
  We'll get out of here. I'm just, and this has been the
• 2:38:12
  Tabaki Rambles podcast.