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BLOODY BODYCAM: JEALOUS DR. FORCES ENGINEER WIFE TO DEADLY CLIFF · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Shuck Bloody bodycam emerges after a jealous and enthusiologist a
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Speaker 2: medical doctor, forces his nuclear engineer wife to a deadly cliff.
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Speaker 1: When you see.
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Speaker 3: This BODYCM, you're gonna do a backflip. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 3: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 3: being with us.
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Speaker 4: We heard her treaming he's covered in blood and she
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Speaker 4: was crawling. She's covered in blood. She hear us though,
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Speaker 4: did she have a weapon? Didn't he have a weapon?
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Speaker 4: She didn't have a weapon.
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Speaker 5: Okay, he's a rock. Okay, Hi, I'm currently beating a
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Speaker 5: tract on help of Polly Tuca where there's a man
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Speaker 5: trying to kill her.
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Speaker 4: She's let all over her face. Where is this dare Polly?
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Speaker 6: Okay?
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Speaker 1: Okay, So.
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Speaker 6: Look out on the Polypooka hike.
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Speaker 5: And he's he's currently attacking her.
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Speaker 4: Okay, where how far is the hike guards.
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Speaker 6: The entrance fire? We're probably like five minutes into the
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Speaker 6: hike really quickly.
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Speaker 3: In fact, the hikers that call nine one one, they
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Speaker 3: see the antesiologist jealous husband. They look in his eyes
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Speaker 3: and they're so afraid that he might try to kill
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Speaker 3: them that they take off to call nine to one
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Speaker 3: one they run away from him. Take a look at
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Speaker 3: this photo straight out to veteran trial lawyer Eric Fattus,
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Speaker 3: founder of law Offices of Eric Fattus, former felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: You think there's any coming back from that? Let me
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Speaker 1: see that photo again.
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Speaker 7: Please Now that when you look at it, your stomach
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Speaker 7: kind of turns. Right, that's a grotesque site. You have
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Speaker 7: this bright red blood coming off of her face. Certainly
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Speaker 7: the jury is going to have a visceral reaction when
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Speaker 7: they see that. It just shows how harrowing and physical
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Speaker 7: and violent this altercation was. I think defense is going
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Speaker 7: to try to argue that this was self defense, but
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Speaker 7: you know that's a bit of a tall order when
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Speaker 7: you look at that photo.
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Speaker 3: Okay, is correct me if I'm wrong, But aren't you
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Speaker 3: the veteran defense attorney, and that's what you're going to say, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's really bad. That is not helping the client.
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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, that wouldn't be my argument.
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Speaker 7: It would be something along the lines of, you know, hey,
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Speaker 7: there was this acrimonious relationship and things had been escalating.
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Speaker 7: There was a scuffle that ensued, as defenses characterized it.
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Speaker 7: Ariel started that she was the initial aggressor. This thing
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Speaker 7: got a bit out of hand, but the client was
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Speaker 7: protecting himself because he's going to claim that he was
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Speaker 7: struck with the rock. And so that's essentially how the
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Speaker 7: defense is going to style it. You know, it'll be
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Speaker 7: up to the jury whether they accept that version or arials.
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Speaker 3: Let me see, Fattus, I'm going to ask you a
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Speaker 3: question that many people may think is rhetorical, but I mean, how.
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Speaker 1: Do you live with yourself?
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Speaker 7: It depends on the day. But keep in mind that
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Speaker 7: that wouldn't be necessarily the argument I would make in
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Speaker 7: this case. But they kind of have to own the
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Speaker 7: facts that they can't deny. Clearly, this person Ariel has
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Speaker 7: been blushet and so what sort of legal avenues do
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Speaker 7: you explore? On the defense side, it seems like the
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Speaker 7: horse they're going to ride is self defense. And although
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Speaker 7: this has been certainly a lot of trauma introduced into
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Speaker 7: this trial, it's not over yet and a defense still
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Speaker 7: has their case to put on.
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Speaker 3: Well, Eric Fattus, this is usually the moment that any
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Speaker 3: good defense attorney goes the Constitution demands that I give
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Speaker 3: my client a full and fair defense something along those.
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Speaker 1: Lines, and the constitution.
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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah, or what about this Doctor Kendall
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Speaker 3: Crowns is joining us. You know him well, the chief
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Speaker 3: Medical Examiner of Terrance County, that's fort Worth. He is
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Speaker 3: the star of a hit podcast made him in the Morgue,
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Speaker 3: and he is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
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Speaker 3: of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I guarantee you
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Speaker 3: this is where they're going. They're going to claim that
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Speaker 3: have you ever had a nosebleed or been hit in
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Speaker 3: the face, maybe by a soccer ball or baseball. The
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Speaker 3: veins in the face, the nose, the mouth, the eyes
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Speaker 3: surrounding the eyes are very sensitive and you're heavily veined
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Speaker 3: in those areas, so you bleed more profusely from your
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Speaker 3: face than you would from, say, for instance, your arm
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Speaker 3: or your leg.
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Speaker 1: Somehow trying to explain.
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Speaker 3: Away all that blood, can't you just see them arguing that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I can.
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Speaker 9: I mean, the facial skin of the scalpskin is very vasculature,
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Speaker 9: a lot of arteries, a lot of veins, and when
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Speaker 9: you're looking at those pictures, you can see deep lacerations
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Speaker 9: right at the edge of the scalp and one kind
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Speaker 9: of more in the in the hair itself. So there's
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Speaker 9: going to be a tremendous amount of bleeding associated with
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Speaker 9: that which you're seeing in these pictures kind of streaming
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Speaker 9: down her face. And of course people are going to say, oh, well,
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Speaker 9: you know, those those injuries aren't all that significant. It's
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Speaker 9: just that's how you bleed when you get hit there.
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Speaker 9: But the problem is is that is a significant amount
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Speaker 9: of blood on her face, and those are very deep
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Speaker 9: injuries created by a rock that also cause lacerating injuries,
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Speaker 9: so it kind of has a sharp edge, and potentially
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Speaker 9: she could have had skull fractures if he had continued
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Speaker 9: to pound on her.
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Speaker 3: Doctor General Crowns, I've had many occasions in front of
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Speaker 3: a jury two and you know from having testified so
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Speaker 3: many many times that typically autopsy photos are not allowed
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Speaker 3: in front of a jury due to their inflammatory nature.
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Speaker 3: But there are ways a skilled prosecutor can get them in.
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Speaker 3: For instance, if the photo before autopsy does not reveal
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Speaker 3: the true extent of the injury. For instance, you see
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Speaker 3: a cut, you see blood, but you don't know are
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Speaker 3: there bruises subdual under the skin, Is there a fracture.
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Speaker 1: Did this cause brain swelling? Was it that bad?
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Speaker 3: And at that point, once you convince a judge that
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Speaker 3: a simple photo of the injury outside the body does
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Speaker 3: not sufficiently show the scope of the internal injuries, the
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Speaker 3: jury can then see for probitive value, of course, autopsy
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Speaker 3: photos where the skin is cut and actually they're scalped
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Speaker 3: the victim of scalp at autopsy and the here and
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Speaker 3: the scalp is pulled back and you actually see the
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Speaker 3: subdural or underlying bruising. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is accurate.
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Speaker 9: Often photographs in the courtroom situations are deemed inflammatory, so
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Speaker 9: we can't use them unless they are cleaned up. Photographs
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Speaker 9: that just show the wound on the external surface of
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Speaker 9: the body. Even the example you're using of the facial
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Speaker 9: skin being peeled forward showing the underlying subglial hemorrhages, are
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Speaker 9: often deemed too inflammatory because it's said that it's upsetting
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Speaker 9: for the jury to see the skull in that nature.
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Speaker 9: So really what we usually are able to use is
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Speaker 9: very clean, sanitized photographs of the wounds themselves, although occasionally
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Speaker 9: a judge will allow more internal photographs to be shown
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Speaker 9: or more of the injury photographs to be shown because
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Speaker 9: they feel that the nature of the crime, it's the
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Speaker 9: showing of these pictures.
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Speaker 3: In this case, doctor Kendle Crowns, she barely escaped with
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Speaker 3: her life. So in this case, since just the photos
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Speaker 3: that we're showing will not sufficiently show her internal injuries,
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Speaker 3: any fracture to the skull, any swelling of the brain,
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Speaker 3: any subdural bruising under the skin, how do you this
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Speaker 3: Since we're obviously not going to pull her scalp back
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Speaker 3: like you would in an autopsy, how do you prove this?
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Speaker 3: How do you prove what happened? Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 9: Uh, how do you prove it? When you don't you
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Speaker 9: can't show the pictures or you don't have an actual autopsy.
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Speaker 9: Is you have to go through what was seen. She
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Speaker 9: has those deep lacerations, you can describe those, and then
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Speaker 9: you can also talk about the potential for being beaten
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Speaker 9: with the rock, creating fractures of the skull, and even
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Speaker 9: internal injuries like subarachnoid hemorrhage of the brain. It is
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Speaker 9: kind of in this situation you have to just discuss
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Speaker 9: what you have, but you can talk about the severity
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Speaker 9: of the injuries by giving a description.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, don't need What.
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Speaker 3: About the possibility of an m or MRI or an
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Speaker 3: X ray. I mean, I'm just a lawyer, but if
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Speaker 3: I wanted to show a skull fracture, I would get
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Speaker 3: an X ray And I don't know what in addition
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Speaker 3: an MRI I could prove in this situation.
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Speaker 1: But wouldn't that help?
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Speaker 9: It would X rays, CT scans, MRIs. All those findings
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Speaker 9: can actually be just as good as an autopsy because
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Speaker 9: they can show you skull fractures, hemorrhages of the brain,
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Speaker 9: all this information that even is not even actually all
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Speaker 9: that inflammatory to a jury because you're just looking at
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Speaker 9: an X ray or a CT or an MRI and
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Speaker 9: it's less jarring than the actual photographs. So those medical
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Speaker 9: records can be extremely helpful when you're testifying, especially when
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Speaker 9: there's no autopsy perform.
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Speaker 3: Okay, this is what happened. This is what always happens
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Speaker 3: at trial with me when I have a medical examiner
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Speaker 3: on the stand. You may not realize it, but everything
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Speaker 3: you say is fascinating to us lay people, and I
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Speaker 3: would go down the garden path on how do you
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Speaker 3: prove a certain injury? But I want to get off
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Speaker 3: of that and go to the facts. Alexis Tereschuk, This
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Speaker 3: body cam is damning.
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Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's open and shut.
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Speaker 3: What is that?
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Speaker 1: And I can't believe this guy's an anesthesiologist.
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Speaker 3: And he gave a confession to his son and written
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Speaker 3: hid in the woods. Just take it from the top,
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Speaker 3: Alexis Tereschuk, What do we know happened to the victim?
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Speaker 10: So they were on a hike. It was actually her birthday.
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Speaker 10: They were on a wahu. They're going up a very
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Speaker 10: steep HiPE, very narrow, very steep. She didn't want to
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Speaker 10: go up anymore. She says, no, it's too step. I
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Speaker 10: don't want to go. He goes up by himself. He
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Speaker 10: comes back. He says to her, let's take a selfie.
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Speaker 10: He kind of positions her towards the cliff. She's very,
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Speaker 10: very nervous about taking a picture with him. She's very
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Speaker 10: nervous about being on the edge of the cliff. She's something.
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Speaker 10: She can tell that something's up. And then he attacks her.
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Speaker 10: He grabs her. She says, he tries. He pulls out
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Speaker 10: a syringe. She's got a backpack with him. Pulls out
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Speaker 10: a syringe with a substance in it tries to stab
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Speaker 10: her with it. She is fighting back as much as
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Speaker 10: she can. She's rolling on the ground, She's hitting him.
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Speaker 10: She actually says that she grabbed him in the testicles
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Speaker 10: to try to stop him from doing this. Somehow, she
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Speaker 10: knocks the syringe out of his hand and he's holding
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Speaker 10: her down with his right arm. He's reaching in his
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Speaker 10: backpack with his left hand, trying to get something else out.
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Speaker 10: She continues fighting. He then picks up a rock and
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Speaker 10: smashes her in the head with the rock, and her
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Speaker 10: head starts profusely believing he's hitting her, and she is screaming,
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Speaker 10: help me, help me, help me, somebody help me.
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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm needing attack them. Help the poly cook. Where
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Speaker 5: there's a man trying to kill her?
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Speaker 6: She's led all over her face?
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Speaker 5: Where is the dad? Polly Puka?
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Speaker 4: The hike as the look out?
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Speaker 11: Okay, so.
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Speaker 8: Look out.
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Speaker 5: She's on the Polly Pooka hike and he's he's currently
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Speaker 5: attacking her. Okay, where where?
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Speaker 6: How far is the hike or is it the entrance wire?
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Speaker 6: We're probably like five minutes into the hike and really
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Speaker 6: quick is okay, what are you seeing?
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Speaker 4: We heard her screaming, help, help me, help me, and
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Speaker 4: then we saw a man over her, and then she
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Speaker 4: crawled out with over.
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Speaker 6: Her face, saying that I'm trying to kill her.
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Speaker 4: And did she know him?
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Speaker 5: I don't know?
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Speaker 6: Okay? Wear is yeah?
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Speaker 12: What is he wearing?
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Speaker 4: The teacher white? She had brownish, sort of curly hair.
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Speaker 4: Asian Caucasian, Hawaiian white side white guy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 12: And then want my shirt?
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Speaker 2: Sure?
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Speaker 6: Maybe shorts?
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Speaker 13: Arden?
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Speaker 6: What kind of shorts?
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Speaker 5: I didn't see he were in shorts.
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Speaker 3: Though, as far as I'm concerned, there's no coming back
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Speaker 3: for the defense once the jury sees the bloody photo
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Speaker 3: from the body cam and seeing her trying to she
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Speaker 3: could barely walk in the video. To Dan Murphy, former
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Speaker 3: NYPD detective sergeant, has conducted literally hundreds of interrogations. He
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Speaker 3: is a star co host of gold Shields podcast and
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Speaker 3: the author of Workplace Safety.
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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 3: He keeps saying, self defense, self defense, self defense. But
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Speaker 3: I guarantee you, if they do a DNA analysis on
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Speaker 3: that rock, it's only going to be her blood, not his.
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Speaker 11: I can't see any situation where she posed a threat
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Speaker 11: to him. It just doesn't make any sense all the
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Speaker 11: facts of this case so heavily in favor of her
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Speaker 11: statement and the statement of the son who he confessed to.
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Speaker 11: This is not a career criminal. This is a guy who,
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Speaker 11: in a moment of emotion, or in many moments of emotion,
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Speaker 11: very well premeditated acts, prepared himself to kill her that day.
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Speaker 11: In this hike, she is alive and alert on the
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Speaker 11: body cam giving statements after the fact, which is something
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Speaker 11: you don't always get with somebody who's injured as badly
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Speaker 11: as she is. She's saying, it was my husband. He
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Speaker 11: tried to kill me. He's out there, he's on the run. Now.
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Speaker 11: If you were innocent, where are you going. Everything about
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Speaker 11: this situation to me marks him as one of the
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Speaker 11: more guilty people you'll ever see in the history of
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Speaker 11: criminal justice. This is, like you said, open and shut.
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Speaker 11: This is a no brainer for cops. The investigation is closed.
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Speaker 11: That's it. One perpetrator, he's on the scene. Done.
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Speaker 14: Annolulu prosecutors claimed Gerhard Kunnig carefully plans to kill wife
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Speaker 14: Ariel due to resentment over alleged infidelity. The state says
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Speaker 14: Konig spends time on infidelity forums, looks into his wife's
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Speaker 14: financial situation and researches the cost of divorce before planning
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Speaker 14: the hike in a closed area where he would send
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Speaker 14: Ariel over the edge, bringing along sedation drugs as a
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Speaker 14: backup plan.
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Speaker 1: When Koenig's caught in the act.
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Speaker 14: Of attempted murder, prosecutors say Koenig tries to evade authorities
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Speaker 14: and confesses on a call with his adult son, contemplating
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Speaker 14: which is worse, prison or suicide.
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Speaker 3: Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Alexis this
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Speaker 3: is for doctor Bethany. Could you describe for Bethany verbatim
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Speaker 3: what the doctor Doctor Koenig wrote to his wife on
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Speaker 3: the birthday card that morning.
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Speaker 10: He wrote, Happy birthday, Angel Face. There isn't an obstacle
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Speaker 10: in this world too hard for me to fight through
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Speaker 10: for you.
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Speaker 3: Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, you're the renowned psycho analyst joining
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Speaker 3: us out of Beverly Heels, author of deal Breaker. You
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Speaker 3: can see her now on Bravo and Peacock and find
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Speaker 3: her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hit me, Bethany.
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Speaker 3: I guess you see the dichotomy in Angel Face and
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Speaker 3: then bashing in her face with a rock.
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Speaker 13: Yes I do, Nancy. You know what I'm seeing in
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Speaker 13: this is that he's buttering her up before taking her
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Speaker 13: on this potentially murderous hike. Also that he's feeling a
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Speaker 13: sense of relief because he knows he's going to get
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Speaker 13: rid of her, similar to what we see with a
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Speaker 13: domestic homicide that often the perpetrator goes, goes out drinking,
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Speaker 13: hangs out with friends. They're just going about their life,
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Speaker 13: so happy because they got rid of the loved one.
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Speaker 13: But I think what's most important is what came before
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Speaker 13: this card, this card for her birthday, where he is
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Speaker 13: luring her onto this trail so that he control to
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Speaker 13: murder her. He finds out that she's texting with another guy,
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Speaker 13: and he just assumed she's having an affair.
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Speaker 1: No evidence.
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Speaker 13: I've seen in court all the text. There's no evidence.
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Speaker 13: There's no sex, steing, there is nothing. It is a friendship.
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Speaker 13: What does he do? He doesn't confront her, He confronts
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Speaker 13: he's He talks to her best friends, another couple, her
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Speaker 13: family members. He tries to degrade and expose her to everyone.
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Speaker 13: Then he gets them to go to marytal counseling buy
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Speaker 13: a book about infidelity where she's told to give up
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Speaker 13: all of her passwords to him. So now he's infiltrating
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Speaker 13: her social media, he's cutting her off from family and friends.
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Speaker 13: Then he insists that he's going to have to have
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Speaker 13: sex with her twice a week. So to me, that
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Speaker 13: is he's dominating her through sex.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, why why Bethany?
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Speaker 3: So they had a contract she had to have sex
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Speaker 3: with him twice a week, even if he's odious.
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Speaker 13: This is what came out in testimony, Nancy, which I found.
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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I keep going that.
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Speaker 13: To me, that's what we call in my field, triumphing
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Speaker 13: over the love object. In other words, using sex penetration,
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Speaker 13: overpowering the other person to show them who's in charge.
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Speaker 13: He's dominating her sexually because he believes she's having an affair.
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Speaker 13: And you know what, Nancy, the defense attorney dominates her
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Speaker 13: in court as well. He humiliates her by making her
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Speaker 13: read all of the text between her and this other guy.
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Speaker 13: There is not one iota of anything sexual. It's all
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Speaker 13: pretty benign. But I see her on the witness stand
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Speaker 13: like she's the girl with a scarlet letter, like he's
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Speaker 13: the one who tried to bash in her face with
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Speaker 13: the rock. And you know what, Nancy, when testimony came
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Speaker 13: out that it was only her DNA on the rock,
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Speaker 13: do you know what Gerhart did in court? He smirked.
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Speaker 1: He thought it was funny.
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Speaker 13: I hope the juries saw that.
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Speaker 3: Let me understand something, Alex's tereschuk, isn't it true? The
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Speaker 3: aerial the victim in this case, the one with the
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Speaker 3: blood streaming down her face. She was cross examined extensively
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Speaker 3: on whether she had an affair, what happened.
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Speaker 10: She did not have a physical affair. She never had
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Speaker 10: sex with this guy. She never even sent him any
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Speaker 10: naked photos. There was never anything like that. He was
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Speaker 10: a coworker. That she was texting. You could perhaps describe
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Speaker 10: it as an emotional affair, but she was talking with
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Speaker 10: a guy she worked remotely, he worked remotely. They were chatting,
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Speaker 10: they were texting, but it was nothing inappropriate in terms
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Speaker 10: of going.
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Speaker 13: Either with no pictures.
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Speaker 10: There was nothing like let's meet up in a hotel
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Speaker 10: or having you know, a workplace affair at their office.
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Speaker 10: It was all on text and just she's saying it
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Speaker 10: was a and emotional fair becaus was friendly because he.
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Speaker 1: Knew about my life.
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Speaker 10: But it wasn't anything.
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Speaker 3: Sexual crime stories with Nancy Grace. So on the stand
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Speaker 3: she is grilled. You heard doctor Bethany Marshall refer to
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Speaker 3: the Scarlet Letter. She's referring, of course, to the classic literature,
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Speaker 3: the book The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne, as I recall,
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Speaker 3: where in that case, in that story, the victim gave
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Speaker 3: birth to a child out of wedlock, and she was
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Speaker 3: ostracized and mistreated and shined much worse. And it turned
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Speaker 3: out the revered pastor that everyone loved and looked up
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Speaker 3: to was the biological father.
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Speaker 1: What a turn of events. It's playing out in a
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Speaker 1: course all over again.
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Speaker 3: Does nobody read their English literature, Bethany.
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Speaker 13: It's playing out in a courtroom. And what I think
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Speaker 13: is particularly noxious to me, it very much upset me,
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Speaker 13: was that he made her read aloud some texts in
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Speaker 13: which she referred with Gearhart to her husband about this
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Speaker 13: emotional affair. And because I deal with abuse victims, what
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Speaker 13: I could see immediately what I read through was probably
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Speaker 13: he was calling it an emotional affair. He forced her
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Speaker 13: to call it an emotional affair, which it was not
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Speaker 13: and then those text messages were read aloud in court
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Speaker 13: with the defense attorney saying, didn't you say you were
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Speaker 13: having an emotional affair? Of course, an abuse victim is
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Speaker 13: going to use whatever language the perpetrator wants her to use.
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Speaker 13: So in some ways, you know, she's been bashed in
21:51
Speaker 13: the face with a rock. Now she's being bashed psychologically
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Speaker 13: by the defense attorney. And she sits there. She's so dignified,
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Speaker 13: she answers every question she calls. The defense attorney sir.
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Speaker 13: I'm thinking, like, that's so respectful. He he is just
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Speaker 13: like one more person in the system who's trying to
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Speaker 13: blame the victim. It is so disturbing. I think everybody
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Speaker 13: needs to watch that testimony and sort of see what's
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Speaker 13: really playing out in that courtroom.
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Speaker 12: Hi, I'm I'm.
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Speaker 5: Currently being attacked on help of Polycuka where there's a
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Speaker 5: man trying to kill her, shell it all over her face.
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Speaker 6: Where is it, Dad Pollua? The hike?
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Speaker 11: Look out?
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Speaker 14: Okay, so.
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Speaker 6: Look out.
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Speaker 4: She's on the Pollycuka hike and he's he's.
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Speaker 6: Currently attacking her.
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Speaker 4: Okay, where how far is the hike guarded?
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Speaker 6: The entrance where we're probably like five minutes into the hike.
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Speaker 6: Really quickly.
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Speaker 3: The Koenigs had gone to couples counseling working to put
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Speaker 3: their marriage back together, and after she gets a love
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Speaker 3: field birthday had she believes Ariel things were on the upswing.
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Speaker 3: In fact, she just testified, I teared up when I
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Speaker 3: read it. I felt hopeful. This was a turning point
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Speaker 3: for us, and this is going to be a nice
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Speaker 3: trip in the start of the next chapter for us,
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Speaker 3: you know, doctor Bethany, I'm trying to put the right
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Speaker 3: words to something. I'm trying to verbalize it. It's bad
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Speaker 3: enough when you're in an abusive relationship and you get
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Speaker 3: emotionally and verbally abused and physically abused, which she said
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Speaker 3: she was and was sexually abused by doctor Gearhart Koenig.
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Speaker 1: But it's to me worse.
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Speaker 3: When you feel hopeful, when you feel that everything's going
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Speaker 3: to work out, and you have that glimmer of hope
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Speaker 3: that you're going to get that happily. Ever after that
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Speaker 3: whole Hallmark happy family image, you know, the Christmas card,
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Speaker 3: the Christmas Trea, the family gathered together around the table,
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Speaker 3: that whole thing. It's worse to me when you have
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Speaker 3: hope and then the worst happens, in this case physically bashed,
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Speaker 3: as opposed to no, hope, you're just enduring it. It
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Speaker 3: just it's you verbalize that much better than me.
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Speaker 13: Answer the shock that everything turned on a dime. But
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Speaker 13: what I think you're talking about is idealization of the
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Speaker 13: other person is necessary for staying in love. We think
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Speaker 13: our spouses, our wives, our husbands, we see the best
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Speaker 13: in them. We see the best in our family members.
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Speaker 13: We want them to inhabit our idealized view of them.
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Speaker 13: And so when she received this card, she thought, Wow,
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Speaker 13: the gear heart that I married, that I knew that
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Speaker 13: I loved, that I was bonded with. He's back and
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Speaker 13: she was hopeful. And then when it turned on a nancy.
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Speaker 13: And you know what's interesting, it was only five minutes
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Speaker 13: into the hike. And I think that's fascinating because it
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Speaker 13: tells me that he was impulsive, aggressive, and he could
25:11
Speaker 13: hardly wait. If this was more thought out, he would
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Speaker 13: have hiked a full hour, but no, it was five
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Speaker 13: minutes in. That is so arrogant that he manipulates her
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Speaker 13: with the card instigates hope. I think that summarizes probably
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Speaker 13: the entire relationship.
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Speaker 3: I'm just wondering to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 3: the Hawaii anesthesiologist who, in my mind, tried to murder
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Speaker 3: his nuclear engineer wife. When are all of his secrets
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Speaker 3: going to come out? They forced Ariel on the stand
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Speaker 3: and then cross examined her on thirty text messages.
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Speaker 1: Who cares she didn't have sex with the guy? Next?
25:54
Speaker 1: Moving on, what about him? He was married to a prostitute?
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Speaker 1: Is nobody mentioning that in court?
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Speaker 8: You know why it hasn't already come up?
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Speaker 12: But you know Koenik's first wife is still a sex worker.
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Speaker 12: Her her name is Jessica Vittella, but she now goes
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Speaker 12: by the stage name Jesse Sage. Still lives in Pittsburgh
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Speaker 12: where she lives.
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Speaker 3: Excuse me, hold on, dack, No, no, no, Well, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 3: did you just say stage name?
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Speaker 1: She's a sex worker?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: What stage are you talking about? Is she on Broadway?
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Speaker 1: I miss that?
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Speaker 12: Oh, I'm I'm so, I apologize. She works in the
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Speaker 12: sex industry. She does I'm guessing shows for locals because
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Speaker 12: she is not working Broadway, Nancy, but she does use
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Speaker 12: what is referred to as her stage name is Jesse Sage.
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Speaker 3: Okay, nothing could make me happier at this moment other
26:50
Speaker 3: than a guilty verdict.
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Speaker 1: So hold on. The first wife is a sex worker.
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Speaker 3: They stay married, as I recall off the top of
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Speaker 3: my head, about fifteen years, have two children.
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Speaker 1: They split.
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Speaker 3: Yes, gee, I wonder why. Actually, I don't blame her
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Speaker 3: for being a sex worker.
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Speaker 1: I blame him. I mean, when you don't know a horse.
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Speaker 3: Look at the track record. So tell me more about
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Speaker 3: this first marriage. I'm stunned this has not come out
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Speaker 3: in court yet.
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, they did have two children.
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Speaker 12: As you mentioned, they married fairly young, at about twenty
27:25
Speaker 12: years old. Each married for fifteen years. In that fifteen
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Speaker 12: years of marriage, there was a lot of fighting going on,
27:33
Speaker 12: and it is written about by one of their children
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Speaker 12: to a degree of writing in third person. Publicly, I
27:39
Speaker 12: mentioned that the first wife is a current sex worker.
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Speaker 8: She's based in Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 12: She writes about a sexual column for the Pittsburgh City Paper.
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Speaker 12: She has been on a number of podcasts as being
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Speaker 12: a sex worker and mother. By the way, when they
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Speaker 12: were divorced, Patella not Knig, got custody of their two children.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're like you got me
28:07
Speaker 1: drinking on the fire hydrant. You're giving me so much information.
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Speaker 3: Let me be clear, I don't give a flying fig
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Speaker 3: If she's a sex worker, go be happy, Go be
28:18
Speaker 3: a sex worker.
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Speaker 1: I'm not the church lady. What I care about is.
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Speaker 3: Did he abuse her as well? Because that's going to
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Speaker 3: be state's witness number eleven. Once I finished the case
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Speaker 3: in chief, I'm gonna start with similar transactions and that
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Speaker 3: being her by whatever name she's choosing, because it's my
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Speaker 3: understanding that their child now adult writes about being admitted
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Speaker 3: to psychiatric hospitals and seeing his mother losing blood like
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Speaker 3: trees lose leaves in the fall. The child now adult
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Speaker 3: goes on to state he doesn't remember much of his childhood.
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Speaker 3: On one Christmas morning, the brother came into their room
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Speaker 3: and the then child hid under the covers waiting for
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Speaker 3: the parents to start fighting. And in the end of
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Speaker 3: that marriage, the children were given to the sex worker mom,
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Speaker 3: which speaks volumes about doctor Koenig, now charged with attempted murder,
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Speaker 3: that the court would give the children to a sex
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Speaker 3: worker with a questionable lifestyle and questionable stability over a
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Speaker 3: medical doctor father. I think the judge did the right thing,
29:47
Speaker 3: no question about it. Could you clarify those issues for me,
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Speaker 3: Dave Mack, you are.
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Speaker 12: One hundred percent accurate. Nancy, after fifteen years of marriage
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Speaker 12: and two children, when they went through their divorce, the
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Speaker 12: judge sided with gunnis At now ex wife Jessica Patella,
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Speaker 12: and awarded her custody of their children.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, what is he wearing?
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Speaker 4: The teacher white? She had brownish, sort of curly hair,
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Speaker 4: Asian Cocasian, Hawaiian white by white guy.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then what kind of shirt?
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Speaker 5: T shirt?
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Speaker 6: Maybe oni shorts? Pardon what kind of shorts?
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Speaker 5: I didn't see you were in shorts though?
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Speaker 3: Two Crime Stories Investigator report Alexis Tereshchuk. Alexis, have we
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Speaker 3: heard one whisper in court about the previous marriage?
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Speaker 10: Not yet? We have not were The only thing we've
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Speaker 10: were expected is the child from the first marriage. That
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Speaker 10: is who he called. He left was after he got
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Speaker 10: in the fight. He ran into the woods or to
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Speaker 10: the jungle of this Hawaiian island and he called his
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Speaker 10: child and that's where he said, I just tried to
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Speaker 10: kill Ariel and fully confessed to his child on the phone.
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Speaker 10: That child is expected to testify, but may.
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Speaker 1: Or may not.
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Speaker 3: Back to doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, joining us out
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Speaker 3: of la Doctor Bethany again, I really could not care
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Speaker 3: less than I do that his other wife is a
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Speaker 3: sex worker. But let me ask you, how does that
31:44
Speaker 3: fit in with your analysis? Does he want women that
31:48
Speaker 3: he can control? And when he doesn't get that control,
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Speaker 3: he explodes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get the dichotomy.
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Speaker 3: He's with one woman that gets paid to have sex
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Speaker 3: with other men, and he's fine with that. But then
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Speaker 3: he has Ariel, a nuclear engineer for Pete's sake, and
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Speaker 3: she doesn't have an affair, and he bashes her head
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Speaker 3: in with.
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Speaker 13: A rock, Nancy. It's like the Madonna horror complex where
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Speaker 13: one person. Usually these men have affairs where they have
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Speaker 13: somebody who's a sex worker who is highly salacious, sexualized,
32:22
Speaker 13: sexually aggressive, and that woman is allowed to be very sexual,
32:27
Speaker 13: and then they have their wives that they keep at home,
32:30
Speaker 13: and then the wife is expected to be virginal. If
32:33
Speaker 13: she even smiles at another man, he thinks, oh my god,
32:37
Speaker 13: she's cheating on me. So it's kind of like the
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Speaker 13: Madonna horror complex carried out in time, and I want
32:43
Speaker 13: to guess that Gerhard is maybe like a highly sexually
32:48
Speaker 13: aggressive person. So he married somebody who's a sex worker
32:52
Speaker 13: because he was probably out in those environments and this
32:55
Speaker 13: is what was familiar to him. But can you imagine
32:59
Speaker 13: if Ariel having a friend destabilized him so much that
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Speaker 13: he wanted to kill her. Imagine what he subjected the
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Speaker 13: sex worker to. I mean, I'm sure life was horrible
33:10
Speaker 13: for her. And then calling his teenage son Nancy he
33:14
Speaker 13: was a teenager saying I tried to kill ari but
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Speaker 13: she got away. How many times did Gerhard burden his
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Speaker 13: children with secrets, with abuse, with things that he said
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Speaker 13: about their mothers. I mean, I'm sure what's going to
33:29
Speaker 13: come out is it was a pretty terrifying childhood for
33:33
Speaker 13: these kids.
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Speaker 3: Two. Eric Fannas joining US veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor. Eric,
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Speaker 3: how do you keep out the first wife if she
33:46
Speaker 3: has evidence of prior similar transactions, for instance, he had
33:50
Speaker 3: beaten her before too.
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Speaker 7: Sure, So I think there are several ways to go
33:55
Speaker 7: about it. One is that the fact that she exists
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Speaker 7: in was a sex worker that has nothing to do
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Speaker 7: with this case. The fact that there may have been
34:04
Speaker 7: some prior allegations. You look at how attenuated those are.
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Speaker 7: You try to see, hey, how much time has gone by.
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Speaker 7: You look at distinctions between those allegations and the allegation
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Speaker 7: at this trial, which is that he used to rock
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Speaker 7: to to bass head. You know, my apprehension is that
34:20
Speaker 7: there are going to be some dissimilarities between both of
34:23
Speaker 7: those accounts. And when you have those distinctions, when you
34:26
Speaker 7: have that attenuation, sometimes the judge is going to say, hey,
34:29
Speaker 7: that's too removed, that's too remote, and we are not
34:33
Speaker 7: going to let it in in this trial because it
34:34
Speaker 7: could prejudice the jury to convict this dude because they
34:38
Speaker 7: think he's a bad dude, or they think he has
34:39
Speaker 7: a bad character. They think he's been violent.
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Speaker 8: Before, but he's not being charged with being violent.
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Speaker 3: Before straight out to Dan Murphy, joining us former NYPDA
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Speaker 3: detective sergeant, co host of hit podcast gold Shields, and
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Speaker 3: author of Workplace Safety Establishing effective violence prevention programs. Dan, again,
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Speaker 3: I have to agree with Fattus that the fact the
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Speaker 3: first wife is a sex worker irrelevant except for I
35:11
Speaker 3: wonder and it could be argued at court that he
35:14
Speaker 3: wanted women he could control financially, emotionally, physically, and then
35:24
Speaker 3: when Ariel Koenig would not submit to his demands and
35:27
Speaker 3: his control, he bashed her head in And this was
35:31
Speaker 3: well planned, she says. He brought syringers and tried to
35:35
Speaker 3: stab her with them. So this had been in the
35:37
Speaker 3: works for some time. But what would you bring up
35:41
Speaker 3: with the first wife, the one that's a sex worker.
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Speaker 11: Well, first of all, I would want to talk to
35:46
Speaker 11: her if I was one of the investigating detectives. I
35:48
Speaker 11: want to talk to I want to get a picture
35:49
Speaker 11: of this person if I can to see if it
35:51
Speaker 11: helps the prosecution of the case this is posed to rest.
35:53
Speaker 11: Of course, let's find out what we can find out about.
35:56
Speaker 11: Was he ever violent with her before? Are there court
35:59
Speaker 11: records that indicate orders of protection back where they used
36:01
Speaker 11: to live. Were there police reports that show that there
36:05
Speaker 11: have been fights that did not result in arrest, or
36:08
Speaker 11: maybe that did and the cases were dismissed. What can
36:11
Speaker 11: I learn about him and his behavior toward women in
36:13
Speaker 11: general that might help prosecution paint a picture of him,
36:17
Speaker 11: That this was not an isolated moment where she came
36:20
Speaker 11: at him, That this guy has a pattern and a
36:22
Speaker 11: history during his life, of controlling behavior, a violent behavior
36:26
Speaker 11: of escalations, and in this case, I think we have
36:30
Speaker 11: so much material that shows us that he was intent
36:33
Speaker 11: on harming, if not killing her there. But in his
36:36
Speaker 11: previous life before this wife, what were his patterns? That
36:40
Speaker 11: is very compelling evidence in a courtroom. It's compelling to
36:44
Speaker 11: anyone to learn that the person has a pattern and
36:46
Speaker 11: a history of handling frustrations through violence.
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Speaker 3: In the last days, girrars shown shot bodycam of the
36:55
Speaker 3: anesthesiologist doctor's bloody wife. They see the rock he allegedly
37:02
Speaker 3: used to bash her in a cliff side attack while
37:08
Speaker 3: they were to be celebrating her birthday. The graphic body
37:11
Speaker 3: camera video and bloodstained rock used in court and allegedly
37:18
Speaker 3: in a brutal cliff side attack. The jury sees it.
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Speaker 3: To Alexis Tereschuk, what was the jury's response.
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Speaker 10: I think everybody in the jury is just watching this seriously.
37:36
Speaker 10: But the one thing that's really interesting is that he
37:39
Speaker 10: has been seen smiling so much during all of this testimony,
37:43
Speaker 10: when all of this evidence has been presented, He's been
37:45
Speaker 10: seen smiling, and people that are watching the court think
37:48
Speaker 10: it's a little odd that maybe he would be smiling
37:50
Speaker 10: through something that's so terrible that he's been accused of
37:53
Speaker 10: something really terrible. His wife is clearly very upset. These
37:56
Speaker 10: women that found him and are upset. People that are
37:58
Speaker 10: presenting the evidence are very matter of fact showing there's
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Speaker 10: blood on the rock. This is the DNA evidence we have,
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Speaker 10: and he's sitting there smiling in court.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 3: Now we remember an American hero Master Trooper Stephen Perry,
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Speaker 3: North Carolina Highway Patrol just thirty, killed in the line
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Speaker 3: of duty, leaving behind a nine month old baby girl.
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Speaker 1: And her mom. American hero Master Trooper Stephen Perry. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friend,