Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #124:  Is college football doomed: Many say yes as a judge bars the NCAA from banning players who gamble on their own teams.  Who owns the sand next to Wisconsin lakes—--a petty local case may produce a landmark decision.  And, the courts block the Trump Administration from cracking down on food stamp fraud.

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Mark Belling Podcast #124:  Is college football doomed: Many say yes as a judge bars the NCAA from banning players who gamble on their own teams.  Who owns the sand next to Wisconsin lakes—--a petty local case may produce a landmark decision.  And, the courts block the Trump Administration from cracking down on food stamp fraud. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: and is who plays out across the country. Every state
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  Speaker 3: Argument is.
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  Speaker 2: Who controls the shoreline? You know, it can be a lake,
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  Speaker 2: we know who controls the water pretty clear, and we
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  Speaker 2: But what about that in between. We've got a great
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  Speaker 2: case from southeast and Wisconsin. It's even better because it's Shorewood.
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  Speaker 3: But it has to do with.
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  Speaker 2: One guy who owns property on Lake Michigan and another
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  Speaker 2: guy who wants to walk dog along the lake shore.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing that makes the story interesting is the
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  Speaker 2: law is very, very unclear as to who can do what.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to poke into that. And as I say,
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  Speaker 2: the story's going to be interesting in and of itself,
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  Speaker 2: in part because you could tell that both of these
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  Speaker 2: people are unbelievably strong willed. You wonder how something like
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  Speaker 2: walking your dog along the lake can become a massive
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  Speaker 2: court case and get the attention that it's getting. It
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  Speaker 2: is on page one of today's Wall Street jourtle. So
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  Speaker 2: had a trial in municipal court in Shorewood. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: talking very very close to the absolute bottom of the
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  Speaker 2: judicial ladder, except it's Shorewood where there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: affluent people and a lot of lawyers and a lot
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  Speaker 2: so the case is probably well decided, with very well
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  Speaker 2: qualified lawyers on both sides, and the judge who ruled
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  Speaker 2: in the case, the municipal judge, and that's below a
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  Speaker 2: circuit judge. Municipal judges handled cases just in a municipality,
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  Speaker 2: traffic tickets, stuff like this. The judge said, I know
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the final word on this. This case screams
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  Speaker 2: out for maybe the Wisconsin State Supreme Court to rule.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've heard about this case, but I've also heard
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  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of other cases very similar to this.
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  Speaker 2: Before I dive into this case, we've had debates, for example,
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  Speaker 2: on the interior lakes. Lake Michigan is a lake that
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  Speaker 2: we share a border with other states on and so on.
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  Speaker 2: Self contained smaller lakes in the state of Wisconsin with
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  Speaker 2: regard to people having access to the lake. In Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: we have a law that says all navigable waterways belonging
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  Speaker 2: to the public. You may have a house on a lake,
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  Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean you could stop somebody from going
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  Speaker 2: out there on the lake. But then the question becomes,
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  Speaker 2: how do you get to the lake to.
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  Speaker 3: Get on it?
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  Speaker 2: So there's been those kinds of cases and how far
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  Speaker 2: out can you build a peer those two This is
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  Speaker 2: Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan essentially is an ocean in that
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  Speaker 2: you can't see across a giant body of water.
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  Speaker 3: Everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Lakefront pri property is more expensive than not lake front
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  Speaker 2: property because you're on the water. Who wouldn't love to
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  Speaker 2: have their backyard be a beach onto a lake. We
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  Speaker 2: do have a lawn in Wisconsin, however, which does allow
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  Speaker 2: public access.
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  Speaker 3: To these shorelines.
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  Speaker 2: But exactly what the shoreline is that the public and
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  Speaker 2: access or not is unclear. Let me quote from the
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street General story. A recent trial in Shorewood, Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: had all the trappings of a minor legal dispute. A
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  Speaker 2: discruddled neighbor, a defendant representing himself who called his own
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  Speaker 2: father as a character witness a three hundred and thirteen
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  Speaker 2: dollars five. But if academic and devoted dog walker Paul
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  Speaker 2: flooreschive he's the guy that's raising all of this gets
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  Speaker 2: his way, the case will go all the way up
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  Speaker 2: to the Wisconsin Supreme Court and reshape the contours of
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  Speaker 2: shoreline access to one of the Great Lakes. It started
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  Speaker 2: when Flora Sheim started walking his two dogs past the
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  Speaker 2: Lake Michigan property of dentist Daniel Domagala, known locally for
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  Speaker 2: the time he spent in a teeki style boat house
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  Speaker 2: and deck. The doubles as a surveillance post. So right
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  Speaker 2: away you can just tell both of these guys are
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  Speaker 2: willing to make federal cases out of things. From there,
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  Speaker 2: Domagala monitors traffic and sets off alarms to scare walkers,
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  Speaker 2: swimmers and kayakers away.
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  Speaker 3: So here's the guy. He's got a property on the lake.
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  Speaker 2: And then while all the general riff raff of the
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  Speaker 2: world coming in and disturbing him, so he's got a
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  Speaker 2: monitoring place that he does everything in this bar, including
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  Speaker 2: blowing horns, to get everybody the hell away from his
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  Speaker 2: property on the lake. All right, So now you can
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  Speaker 2: imagine it's going to happen when here it comes his
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  Speaker 2: guy walking his dog up and down the lake sure
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  Speaker 2: gets to Domagala's property. Floorsheim repeatedly ignored signs outside the
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  Speaker 2: dentists house that said private property beyond this sign and
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  Speaker 2: only water access beyond this point. Domagala kept calling the cops,
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  Speaker 2: and the village eventually issued a trespass citation. Rather than
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  Speaker 2: pay the fine and walk away, Floorsheim dug in at
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  Speaker 2: stake is what right people in Wisconsin have to take
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  Speaker 2: a shoreline stroll? Now, let me interject, every state has
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  Speaker 2: different laws on this. As you know, I spend four
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  Speaker 2: months a year in Florida. I live in a condo
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  Speaker 2: that's on the Atlantic Ocean, and I'm familiar with that
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  Speaker 2: entire beachfront all the way from South Beach to Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 2: The ocean front is where it's at in Florida. There
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  Speaker 2: is a law, and it's reflecting national law because this
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  Speaker 2: is an ocean, not an interior lake, and that is
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  Speaker 2: that the public has the right to access the ocean front.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care how expensive your house is. The public
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  Speaker 2: has a right to spend time on the ocean front.
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  Speaker 2: And the laws then deal with what the setback is
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  Speaker 2: it varies from place to place because in certain places
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  Speaker 2: there's a greater distance from the nearby structures and so
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  Speaker 2: on to where the water is. So for example, in
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  Speaker 2: my building, which is a high rise, regular old people
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  Speaker 2: can hang around behind our building on the ocean front. However,
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  Speaker 2: my building does everything in its power to make the
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  Speaker 2: people who are residents of the building have it a
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  Speaker 2: lot easier than those people in other In order to
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  Speaker 2: get any kind of service like a beach chair or
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  Speaker 2: an umbrella or anything, you've got to a resident of
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  Speaker 2: the building. That doesn't mean that people can't haul all
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  Speaker 2: of their own stuff, and some people do, and they
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  Speaker 2: do have a right to be out there. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a certain number of feet and I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: it is set back away from the property itself that
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  Speaker 2: they can hang. More interestingly, there are communities in which
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  Speaker 2: there are single family houses that are on the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this community, Golden Beach. It's the richest
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  Speaker 2: in terms of property value, average property valuation municipality in Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, in America.
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  Speaker 3: In America, it's a couple of miles north of where
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 2: It's massive single family homes, mansions on the ocean front,
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  Speaker 2: and those people have, as you can imagine, an incredible
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  Speaker 2: valuation because your backyard.
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  Speaker 3: Is the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: But people have a right to walk up and down
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  Speaker 2: the edge of where your property is on the ocean front.
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  Speaker 2: They have the right to access it, all right. That's
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  Speaker 2: the ocean and that's Florida. It's a constant battle between
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  Speaker 2: property owners and the people who are there over what
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  Speaker 2: they some. You know, let's as they said, the public
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  Speaker 2: has a right to access. But what about somebody who's
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  Speaker 2: accessing with a boombox and carrying on and trying to
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  Speaker 2: hold a party essentially in someone else's backyard. Conflict all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Back now to the Wisconsin case at Steak
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  Speaker 2: is what right and people in Wisconsin have to take
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  Speaker 2: a shoreline stroll. State law is clear that people can wade,
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  Speaker 2: swim or boat in state protected waters, but things get
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  Speaker 2: murkier out of the water. Floorsheim, that's the guy who's
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  Speaker 2: walking the dog who is ticketed for walking on dry
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  Speaker 2: sand just barely argues that it's absurd to say he
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  Speaker 2: could waghe past but not put a foot higher up
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  Speaker 2: the shoreline. In other words, Shorewin's interpretation is he can
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  Speaker 2: walk his dog if he's on water. Now, you might say, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's except there's obviously a portion of the beach, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it gets complicated when you have a rocky beach
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  Speaker 2: rather than a sand beach, and Lake Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: Gives you both.
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  Speaker 2: But you can walk on the beach where it's still
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  Speaker 2: wet the edge of where the water is. But if
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  Speaker 2: it's dry, that's where he's getting ticketed. And Florsheim, of
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  Speaker 2: course is claiming that this is ridiculous, that a couple
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  Speaker 2: of inches this way, and somehow I'm a trespasser. Continuing,
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  Speaker 2: Florsheim lost to the village at Prile, but the judge,
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  Speaker 2: Margot Kirchner, indicated the case was far from dead. She
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  Speaker 2: said she was obligated to rule for Damagala because of
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  Speaker 2: a prior case involving Lake Winnebago. For those of you
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  Speaker 2: not from Wisconsin, Lake Winnebago is the largest inland lake
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Wisconsin. It's a big lake, but
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  Speaker 2: itself contained Wisconsin surrounding all of it. There's a case
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  Speaker 2: from Lake Winnebago from nineteen twenty three. All the lefties
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  Speaker 2: made fun of Wisconsin's old abortion law let's say eighteen
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  Speaker 2: forty eight Abortionela. Well, this case states back to twe
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  Speaker 2: hundred three years ago on a completely separate lake Lake
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  Speaker 2: within Abago case. In that case, the Wisconsin Supreme Court
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  Speaker 2: ruled that a landowner who wanted to water his cattle
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  Speaker 2: had priority over the use of the shore, not pedestrians
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  Speaker 2: wanting to cross the beach when the water level was low.
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  Speaker 2: So this judge, municipal judge in Sherwood, found this case
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  Speaker 2: and deemed that it was precedent because it was a
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling from this guy who wanted to
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  Speaker 2: water cattle along lake on Tobago and he had a
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  Speaker 2: priority to do that, and not people who wanted to
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  Speaker 2: access going along the just because they wanted to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a case in that in nineteen twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: and the Shorewood judge says, I gotta honor this because
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  Speaker 2: this seems to be the president that's in place. Kirchner
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  Speaker 2: said that ruling seemed to apply in this case, but
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  Speaker 2: indicated a decision favoring the landowner over the public was
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  Speaker 2: out of touch with the practices and other states.
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  Speaker 3: That's the point.
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  Speaker 2: Other states have different laws. In most states and As
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned Florida, the edges of the waterway are public property.
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  Speaker 2: But in Wisconsin, this ruling seems to indicate, back from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty three, that the only thing that's.
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  Speaker 3: Public property is the water got to be in it.
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  Speaker 2: This is why we've had debates about peers which extend
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  Speaker 2: from the land in and so on.
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  Speaker 3: So the judge said, quote, perhaps.
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  Speaker 2: Domos should be overruled, referring to the Winnebago County case,
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  Speaker 2: saying it's possible that that case was decided wrongly by
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  Speaker 2: the Wisconser Frome Court in nineteen twenty three. Somebody ought
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  Speaker 2: to bring this case back forward.
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  Speaker 3: And challenge it.
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  Speaker 2: Continuing homeowners claim to the beach in front of their
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  Speaker 2: property has long been the subject of legal fights.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: In Rhode Island, a case has been ongoing for three
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  Speaker 2: years over a law that moved the boundary of a
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  Speaker 2: public beach further inlet. In Florida, the resident of a
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  Speaker 2: molt time million dollar Mediterranean compound has been fighting with
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  Speaker 2: Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 3: This is a big deal. In Shorrewan.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine in Palm Beach were the properties, I mean a
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  Speaker 2: cheap ow properties worth thirty million dollars on the ocean
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  Speaker 2: in Palm Beach over policy enforcing public access to some
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  Speaker 2: of the area's beaches, and as I was mentioning, in Florida,
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  Speaker 2: the beaches are public property a segment of them, at least.
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  Speaker 2: Back to the story, Florsheim, I'm sixty six years old,
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  Speaker 2: recently retired from his job as a professor at the
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  Speaker 2: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee. Again, I'm not criticizing him, but
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  Speaker 2: this guy is just a You could not come up
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  Speaker 2: with a more perfect background for somebody to beldigious and
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  Speaker 2: make a stink, And I'm not criticizing him for it
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  Speaker 2: because his stink might be proper. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: connection he is to the famous Florsheim family, and but
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  Speaker 2: he's a professor now retired, so he's a smart guy.
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  Speaker 3: Time on his hands, and strong willed.
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  Speaker 2: No obviously the dentist who's gone so far as to
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  Speaker 2: actually put up a sheddy to be a lookout to
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  Speaker 2: scare everybody away.
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  Speaker 3: Strong willed as well.
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  Speaker 2: Flourisha, I'm sixty six years old. We sill be Tirepon's
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  Speaker 2: job as professor at the University of kons Milwaukee. He
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  Speaker 2: has been walking on the beach for more than fifty
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  Speaker 2: years since his childhood spent in a nineteen sixties ranch
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  Speaker 2: house three doors down from Damagala. This is just perfect.
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  Speaker 2: There's clearly a history here. His great grandfather, Oh there
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  Speaker 2: it is. His great grandfather founded the famous shoe company.
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  Speaker 2: Florsheim has two dogs. No, you just know before even
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  Speaker 2: getting into this, these aren't going to be fool foo dogs.
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  Speaker 2: You know that they're not going to be a two
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  Speaker 2: year old German shepherd he calls a bit of a handful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if he's admitting he's a bit of a handful,
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  Speaker 2: imagine what the dentist is going to be saying about
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  Speaker 2: this dog and Rosie, a six year old Border Collie mix.
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  Speaker 3: They need a lot of walking.
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  Speaker 2: When I know of Border colleges in particular, they need
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  Speaker 2: to be walked about as much as any dog alive
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  Speaker 2: because they have lots and lots of energy, herding instinct
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  Speaker 2: and all of that in German shepherd's the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: These are not dogs for sedentary people. And clearly the
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  Speaker 2: dog owner Floursheim, he's a good dog owner. He knows
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  Speaker 2: is he wants to walk his dogs and get him
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  Speaker 2: a lot and of course why not walk a round
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  Speaker 2: along the lake as opposed to walk on one of
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  Speaker 2: the other way too precious streets and over tax Shorwood
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  Speaker 2: continue and remember his family grew up on the lake,
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  Speaker 2: and he's part of the Floorsheim family, et cetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Speaker 2: Then they need a lot of walking. I do too,
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  Speaker 2: he said. He said he didn't set out to create
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  Speaker 2: a legal test case, but he wasn't the kind of
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  Speaker 2: person to just pay the fine quietly, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: I knew that before he said it. You can tell
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  Speaker 2: he's not gonna be a guy that's okay, I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: I'll pay the fine.
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  Speaker 3: There's zero chance of this.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Remember he's up against the guy that set up
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  Speaker 2: a hut right along the thing to chase everybody away,
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  Speaker 2: including kayakers. I mean, you go back one hundred If
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  Speaker 2: this wasn't Shorewood, which is like, as I say, it's
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  Speaker 2: just the most precious community that you can imagine, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty that I mean, you would have settled
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  Speaker 2: this with a duel. But Shorewood isn't Deadwood. Deadwood was
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  Speaker 2: a great TV show. Did you watch Deedwood, Dave? Do
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  Speaker 2: you have Dave in for Jason today? Deadwood? David Milch
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  Speaker 2: did Deadwood. David Milch was a genius, completely screwed up,
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  Speaker 2: metaling compulsive. I think he's now mentally gone. But there
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  Speaker 2: there was a debt. They did do the Deadwood movie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they did do it. Anyway, they would have satisfied this
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  Speaker 2: thing you're in. Domagalla and Florsheim would have pulled out
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  Speaker 2: guns and that would have attired to the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: But this is Shorewood.
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  Speaker 2: So this is going to be handled after seething animosity,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to go to court.
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  Speaker 3: Continuing.
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  Speaker 2: His trial took place December in front of an audience
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  Speaker 2: of mostly silver haired locals. I know who's hacked off
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  Speaker 2: about that, the Shorewood silver haired locals.
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  Speaker 3: I had not silver.
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  Speaker 2: I think they should have said gray, except in shore
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  Speaker 2: what it really is silver. Gray is what nature gives you.
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  Speaker 2: Silver is what the hair sat. Anyway, the village called
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  Speaker 2: Damagala as a witness. He testified he complained about passers by.
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  Speaker 2: Some don't remember Domagala as the dentist. Florsheim is the dogwalker.
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  Speaker 2: Domagala is a witness. He testified he complained about passers
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  Speaker 2: by some fifty times last summer alone. Again, this is
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  Speaker 2: not surprising anytime somebody's gonna walk along his property, Domagala
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  Speaker 2: is gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Call the cobs.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong here,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying both of these people are strong willed
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  Speaker 2: and are affirming what they believe their rights are. Shorewood
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  Speaker 2: police said they have responded to his calls for years now.
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  Speaker 2: You could say the show police public. This is what
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  Speaker 2: Shorewood police do because they bought a Milwaukee. There is
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  Speaker 2: some crime in Shorewood, but there's also a whole lot
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of cats up the tree and this he often sets
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: off alarms, he said, to scare people from the lounging
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: on it. From lounging on his property, which sits about
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: fifty feet from a public beach. They sit around like
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: they own the place.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: He said. There is.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is at water beach or not,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: but there is actual public land that goes up to
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the lakefront adjacent and nearby. But then there's his land
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: after that, and of course the public land, which is
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a park, is different from the guy's backyard. Continuing, they
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: sit around like they own the place. Because Florsheim had
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: no lawyer. Now in some cases the people have no lawyer,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: have no lawyer. I mean the Daryl Brooks saying, you
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: know why those people defend themselves they want the attention.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Well that's not wrong, but it's not the primary reason.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Bit No, No, you get a public defender. In fact,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: there's a guy right now in Walkershaw County Court defending
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: himself on murder. It's because the lawyer tells him this
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: is the best way to pursue the case, and the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: client doesn't want to hear it. Brooks decided, I'm going
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: to claim I'm a sovereign citizen and there's no aggrieved party,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: so therefore I can mode down and kill fifty people.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That's usually the reason they do it, that they talk
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to a bunch of lawyers and the lawyers don't will
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: not take pursue the case and the manner that the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: person wants. They don't believe it's the best way. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: don't think that's the case of Floorsheim. I think Floorsheim
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: had a couple of lawyers tell well, the law kind
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of says this, No, I've got a point to make it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think Florsheim is doing this because he's a
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: dunce at all. He's capable of pursuing presenting this case.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Because Florsheim had no lawyer, he cross examined his neighbor himself.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Oh can you imagine this? So here the two neighbors
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: are now. Florsheim loves this because he gets to ask
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the death hot questions. Why did you want to prevent
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: me from walking across the beach?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: He said.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Tomagalla said he never gave Floorishim permission to walk on
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: his property. At one point of the trial, he likened
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: his neighbor's shoreline walks to a home invasion, Like I said,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you could just admit both of these guys are going
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to be over the top. Imagine somebody is in your
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: house saying this is not your house. Tomagulla said. Locals
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: have generally backed Floorsheim's you. It's the people's lake, said
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: one commenter on Facebook. Now let me interject, See that's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the problem that is unclear.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: It is the people's leke. But is the dry sand
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the lake? You see the problem?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: In many states the laws are clear, it's not that
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: clear here. In an interview, fifty eight year old Rebecca Simons,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: who lives nearby, said she walks along the shore all
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the time. I I want to give her the proper
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: North Shore Nancy tone of voice. And again, she's probably
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a very nice lady.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I certainly didn't.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Feel I was doing anything wrong either, nor would I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: certainly think twice about it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: She wouldn't.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Most of the people involved in this thing are males.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, this thing screams Karen on all sides.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: But it needs to scream Karen.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Because the only way you can get this thing to court,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: which is where it needs to be for a final resolution,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: is to where we are. And if there are people
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: who don't like that, then we need to pass a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: law that addresses this. And again, there's strong feelings on
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: both sides of these issues with regard to people who
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: live on lakes, and in this case Lake Michigan. Florsheim,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: who is now represented by lawyers from the nonprofit Midwest
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Environmental Advocates, has appealed his case to a higher court. Damagala,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the dentist, didn't return requests for comment. That actually surprises me.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't think somebody who'd want to tell everybody
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: its side, but it might have lawyers telling him not
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to a handful of comment among the hundreds on social
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: media came down on his side. Why is it when
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: people own waterfront properties other feel it is okay to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: trespass one road? Do you like people walking in your backyard? Now,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: on many of the inland lakes in Wisconsin, it's clear
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the shoreline belongs to the property owner. You know, I've
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: been on many lakes. You can't just have somebody walking
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: on somebody's backyard, on the grass, or standing on their dock,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: standing on their pier. And on many of the inland lakes,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it's pretty clear that they're off And many of these
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: lakes have public beaches also a portion where the.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: People can go.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Take for example, Pewaukie Lake you can hang which has
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a huge.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Beach, extremely popular.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: You can stand on that, But you can't stand on
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Charlie's Charlie's backyard two hundred feet two hundred yards down
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the road. But see lakes chign makes it a little
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: bit more difficult and a little bit more complicated. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: think this case screams out for the Wisconsin State Supreme
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Court to either affirm that nineteen twenty three case or
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: modify it, and then whichever side doesn't like it can
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: appeal to the state legislature and try to pass the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: law as to whether or not we should give the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: public the right to access shorelines.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Or not.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to express an opinion on this. I've
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: always seen both sides.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: In general.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I side with property owners' rights. On the other hand,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I accept the premise that the waterways belong to the public,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and at some point, if the waterway belongs to the public,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that means the ability to actually get to the waterway
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is going to create this gray area between property owners
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: on a waterway and the water itself. All right, we
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: have another case here.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: It has to do.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: With the abuse that has been found and everyone knows
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: has existed with regard to food snaps better otherwise known
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: as SNAP. There's an interesting story about this in the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Epic Times. The Trump administration released the report last month
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that shows one hundred and eighty six thousand dead people
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: in twenty nine states are continuing to receive SNAP benefits.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: The Trump administration is making fraud a government programs like
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this a high priority. Jd Vance is running the task force.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: You can see how easy this fraud is. Somebody's on
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: food stamp benefits, which is what SNAP is.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: They die.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: The bureaucrats may not know that that person died, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: if somebody else is receiving the benefits in all they
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: lived with the person or a relative, they're in no
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: hurry to tell anybody about it. You think vote fraud
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: is rampant, imagine this. Everybody knows that a massive amount
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of these benefits are fraudulent. The Trump administration is aware
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: of it, and they want to crack down on it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Here's the problem. Who pays for this program the Feds.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Who administers it the states. This is another example of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a program snap food stamps, in which the Feds send
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the money to the states and the states administer the program.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So the Trump administration has asked to see the records
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in all of the states so they can begin the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: process of purging dead people and for that matter, investigating
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: other cases of people that are on there fraudulently. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: many of the states, lefty states, don't want the Trump
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: administration seeing these records, as I've seen in Minnesota and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: many other states. Some of these states have a vested
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: interest in letting people continue to scam. Democrats, for in particular,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: have become the enablers of scammers. They don't like the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: notion of us going into and grabbing the records. So
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration right now is stimied in addressing the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: problem because they can't go and get the records that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the state has because of a federal judge has ruled
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: on behalf of states who say that they don't have
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to turn over their records to the federal government. This
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: problem is existing in almost every area where the Trump
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: administration is trying to clean up corruption that is going
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: on with a federal program administered by the states. I'll
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: tell you where else it's going on. It's going on
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: in the attempts by the Justice Department to address the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: reality that our voter roles in America are corrupted. Keeps
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: saying Trump makes these claims without any proof, without any proof,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: without any proof, without any proof, without any proof. Yet
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: we see time and again cases in which we know
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that people are voting that are not allowed to vote.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: We just had a case from New Jersey that I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: talked about on the last podcast, in which they uncovered
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: numerous non citizens on the voter rolls in New Jersey.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: In Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Election Commission is refusing to turn
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: over voting records to the Trump administration Department of Justice.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: The media is backing them up because it gives Trump's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: trying to claim again that he didn't lose the twenty
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: twenty election, without regard to whether or not he's doing
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that or not. You have a federal law enforcement agency
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: trying to find out whether or not the most basic
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: right that we have in the United States, voting, is
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: being compromised by states that are not properly policing they're
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: voting records. It's the same problem that we have in this.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Food stamp case. Now to this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: The Brendan Soorsby case, there are many who are arguing
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that college football was killed this past week. This is
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: yet another case here of courts not allowing an entity
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to police itself. The first case we the last case
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that we just mentioned with regard to the federal food
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: stamp benefits, the courts are not letting the Feds, who
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: pay for food stamps snap to police the program. Brendan
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Soorsby is a college football quarterback. He's a transfer. All
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the players, almost all the big time quarterbacks now are
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: transfers if they're not going to start at their school.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: He's transferring to Texas Tech. He's been at two other schools,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: including Indiana he was the biggest catch in the off
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: season transfer portal. Sworsby has been caught. He is a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: chronic gambler, he's admitted he's a impulsive gambler, and he's
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: been caught betting on games involving the teams he's played for.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: In all sports, this is the ultimate no no major
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: League Baseball. The punishment for betting on games in which
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you're in on your sport, and in particular games you're
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: involved in, is a lifetime ban. Pete Rose got a
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: lifetime ban for it. The biggest scandal in baseball history
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: was the Black Sox scandal World Series back nineteen nineteen,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: where the World Series was thrown by white Sox players
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: who were paid off by a gambler.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Ronald Rustin.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And now that sports gambling is pervasive where anybody can
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: do it off their phone unless they live in the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: state of Wisconsin, but in reality, you can do it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: illegally on your phone in the state of Wisconsin by
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: betting with an offshore site in most states, and Wisconsin
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: is now moved to this with the legislature passing a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: law giving the casinos the right to offer online gamus
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: throughout the state. They have to draw together compacts to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: get this going. But it's going to be reality here.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: When anybody can simply open up an account and bet
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: on their phone, it's clear you're going to have a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: lot of athletes do it. It is not against the law,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: it's against the rules of that sport. Sworsby was suspended
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: by the NCAA once the word came out. Initially, he
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: considered simply applying to go into the NFL Draft turn
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: pro because I know I'm going to be banned in
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: college football. But instead what he did is he went
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to the courts and appealed to the courts the NCAAA
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: ruling bantning him. A judge in Texas has ruled on
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: behalf of Sorsby and says the NCAA does not have
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the authority to ban players. They've ruled that the NCAA
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: is not an actual business that gives out franchises. For example,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the National Football League awards a franchise and each franchisee
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: has to follow the rules of the National Football League
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: in the same way that the franchise of McDonald's has
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: to follow the rules set by McDonald's corporate sets or
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Jimmy John's already of the others. The NCAA, however, is
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: simply an association. It's not an entity of itself other
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: than individuals join. It's not directly a franchise. The judge
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: ruled that you can't have this organization tell Texas Tech
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: who can play on its teams or not. That it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: up to Texas Tech to decide, or for that matter,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Duke to decide, or Wisconsin to decide, or Marquette to decide,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Any school is what their rules are. Texas
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Tech says they want swords Me to play, even though
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: he's a guy that gambles on his own team. The
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: judge ruled in favor of Sooresby. There was a poll
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: this week by The Athletic, which is a major online
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: sports website. They've polled fans as to whether or not
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: this will kill college football. Eighty five percent said yes.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: If college football can't punish players who gamble on games,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: obviously many will gamble on games. Almost every other college
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: program in the country is appalled by the decision, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it's gotten to the point that many now say that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the only thing that they can do is refuse to
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: play Texas Tech. This is to me reminiscent of what's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: been going on with schools that were allowing male athletes
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: claiming that they were female. Some teams simply said, we're
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: not going to play this team that as a boy claiming.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: To be a girls volleyball player. Whatever it is.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: You have numerous conferences saying the Tech they are not
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: going to play any one of the Big Twelve, the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Conference Texas Tech is it. The Big Twelve itself is
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: up at arms because the schools in the Big Twelve
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: do not want to have a situation in which teams
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: can have players betting on their own games playing in
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the sport, because it kills the integrity of the sport. Obviously,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the problem with athletes betting on their own games is
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they can bet against their team, or even if they're
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: betting for their team. There are now bets that you
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: can place even during a game or on individual players.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So a player passed for more than or less than
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty seven yards, well, imagine you're a quarterback.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Imagine you actually are betting yourself. I would have passed
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: for more than that. The next thing you know, he's
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball in every play when it should be
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: a running.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: You see the problem.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Now, you might say this ruling won't stand. Here's the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: problem with that. The NCAAA is appealing to Texas, to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the Texas Court of Appeals, and they're appealing for an
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: expedit a judgment by the full Court of Appeals by
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a four judge pandle. They're not gonna believe this. I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: gonna tip off where we're going with this. The four
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: judge panel. All four judges on that panel went to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the same college, Texas Tech. I'm sure there's districts down there,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: but Texas is a zillion universities. Texas Tech is already
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: considered just the bad boy of American college football. Bad
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: boy in that there is no school that is more
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: aggressively embraced paying your own players. Indiana's closed. Indiana got
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a ton of money from Mark Cuban. They've been buying
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: players right and left, and they bought a national championship.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, which has always kind of been a second turer,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: third tier program in the Big twelve, has become a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: mega powerhouse because they have a massive nil program. See,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of big fat cats in the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: state of Texas, but Texas Tech is a school that
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: has a Texas Items one a disproportionate number of their
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: alumni that are in engineering and drilling and oil exploration
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: and so on. The University of Wisconsin has lots of
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: rich people, but they tend to be in the sciences
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It is introducing the kind of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: people just saying, Okay, I'm gonna dip into my wealth
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and give ten million dollars to buy football players. But
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech has that, and that's how they got sores
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: b in the first place. So they're already reviled by
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: everybody else because they went from being just an average
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: program for many many years to put the powerhouse in
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve by spending all this money. And now
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: they're infuriating everyone because they aren't banning a player who gambled,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and they're not banning it because he's a great quarterback.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: He might be the best quarterback in college football this
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: coming season. So they're willing to put up with the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: fact that they have a player who's corrupt and he's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: not preussworthy to play for them for one season.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I do agree if.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: The courts do not allow the Umbrella Organization the NCAA
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: to set standards who can play and who can't play.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: College sports is dead because the next thing is you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: can't say that somebody is ineligible because they transfer too much.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: You can't say that they can't play because of this,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: that or the other thing, or you can't make any
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: decisions covering this if you don't have any authority. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I think college sports is in jeopardy if people don't
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: trust the outcomes of the games. It's just wrestling. It's
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: roller derby. The only sport that I can think of,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and there may be others I've just seen. The only
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: one I can think of in which competitors are allowed
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to bet on their own team is the sport I'm in,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: horse racing. But even then there are rules, not a law,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: but you are not supposed to bet against your own horse.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Now clearly some people do. That's what race fixing is,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: but it's not allowed to do so. But you can
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a trainer, a rider, me as an owner, we can
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: bet on our own horses. But that door has opened
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that by having that betting available, Clearly you can try
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: to have your horse lose if somebody's urging you to
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: do so. And when that's happened, it's been caught, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: that's a criminal that's criminal behavior. But it's generally been
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: allowed because by and large you're only allowed to bet
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: on your own horse. And why is it a bad
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: thing if you think your horse is going to win?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: The problem in sports is.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: There's a bigger picture here, and you now have all
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: of this in game betting that you can bet bet
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: on how many rebounds somebody gets on this, that and
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the other thing.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: And the problem that Pete Rose.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Faced when he was banned for life in baseball is
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: he was betting on his own team, the Cincinnati Reds,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: when he managed them. You can say, well, what's wrong
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: with betting for them to win?
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: He's the manager.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, in baseball you might not be willing
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to make a decision that sacrifices for you know, using
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: every picture you have in a game and burning up
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: your bullpen to win one game, screwing up the next
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: three or four. Well, if the manager has one hundred
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars bet on that game, maybe he's willing to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: do that because he needs to win today, to hell
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: with tomorrow. Election news. Graham Plattner won in Maine. Now,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I wrote my newspaper column which is out today about this.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: The Democrats will vote for anyone that they think will
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: stop Republicans and stop Trump. The main seat is considered
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to be the most important Senate race in the country.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Maine is a Democratic state, but the seat has been
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: held by a Republican forever, Susan Collins. Susan Collins is
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a very moderate Republican. She's a Rhino, but that's the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: way that she's been able to survive by getting elected
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: in a democratic state. So with Susan Collins, you get
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: somebody who votes with the Republicans some of the time.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: If the Democrats win, you've got somebody who votes them
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: none of the time. And more importantly, it could be
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the seat that determines control of Senate. If you don't
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: have control, not a single bill you support can even
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: be called. Control determines what's voted on and what is it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Every committee is controlled by the party of the controls
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Platner has a Nazi tattoo on his body. It's a
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: symbol that was worn by Nazi soldiers. He initially claimed
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that when he got it he didn't know that that's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: what it was, but past girlfriends have said he bragged
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: about it and said that then he knew what it was.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: In addition to that, The New York Times you can't
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: blame this on the conservatives. The New York Times has
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: run a story quoting numerous of his exes describing his
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: abusive behavior. Platner is defendant say I have I had PTSD,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: which maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But it becomes
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: a coverall for people to do things that would otherwise
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be disqualify. If there was a Republican that's got Nazi
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: symbols tattooed on his body and as his abusing women,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you can imagine how the media and the lefties would
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: be about that. They're still screaming and yelling about Trump
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: with regarding to Jeffrey Epstein, even though there is zero
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: evidence that Trump had anything to do with misconduct involving Epstein.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: But Platner is the poster child for I mean, hashtag
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: me to all of this stuff. This guy is the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: poster child for all of it. They keep wanting to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: claim that Trump is a Nazi. Here's this guy, He's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: got Nazi symbols tattooed on his chest. They had the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Democratic primary, he won, So this is who's going to
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: run against Susan Collins. And as I said, there are
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Republicans who bucked other Republicans just for the slightest of reasons.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: The problems that Republicans have is they just fight about
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: every damn thing that there is. Every Democrat in America
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: is going to be okay with this. They will now
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: vote for a Nazi. And I've said they'd vote.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: For a nazi. See if they can't oppon it was
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: a republic here.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: You got a guy that's got a cantoone in his body,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: that has views women all of it. Other elections yesterday
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: South Carolina, one of my predictions is correct. I said,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: there's no way that Nancy Mayce is going to win
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the governor's election. Known there Nancy Mayce is, I'll admit this.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: She's interested Republican member of the House of Representatives. Interesting
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: is one word for it. Weird is another. I mean,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: she's very conservative kind of she's also weird. She's the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: woman the one you never call this. Two three years ago,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: she was late for the House Prayer Breakfast is the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: National Prayer Breakfast of the Congressional Prayer Breakfast. She was
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: late and shows up and her excuse for being late
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: she announces is she just had a quickie with her boyfriend.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: First of all, that's weird enough for anyone to say
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to anyone else in public on anything.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: She said it at the prayer breakfast.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm late because I was hanging in my bed
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: screwing my boyfriend. So she's a weirdo. She's also clashed
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: with the leadership on just about everything, and she's broken
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: with President Trump on a couple of things. She carries
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: out about the Epstein foules and so on. The governor's
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: seat in South Carolina, a Republican state, is open. There
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: are numerous candidates who ran for it. Mace isn't even
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the only member of the House. Mace gave up her
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: House seat in order to run for governor, so did
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: another member of Congress in South Carolina. Mace not only
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: didn't win, she didn't finish second. South Carolina is a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: state that has the runoff rule. We've been seeing this
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: discussed in other states. South Carolina is one of those
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: states that you have to get fifty percent of the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: vote to advance to the general election. So in a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: multi candidate race, probably nobody's going to get fifty percent,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And in fact, nobody did vote get her. Her name is
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a Vet. She's the lieutenant governor. Got twenty nine percent.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: The second place candidate got twenty six percent. They will advance.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Nancy Mace didn't even run third. She was doing pretty
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: well at the polls. She was running first or second
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: in most of the pools. She ran forth with twelve
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: percent of the vote. Now Nancy Mace is she's by
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the way, I want to make it clear, she's nowhere
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: near as despicable as Graham Platner in Maine. But she's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: got many aspects to her that some Republicans are not going.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: To approve of. Her crude tongue.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: The fact that she's always picking fights with the other Republicans,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: she's got a new efflectic personality, and so on. Those negatives,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: even in a conservative state like South Carolina, were abridged
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: too far, particularly when they had other qualified alternatives. As
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I said, the lieutenant governor of the state actually met
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: her brother in law. This is a small world thing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Her name is Pamela Vett. She got twenty nine percent
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: of the vote. The second place candidate is Alan Wilcox.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: He got twenty six percent. Then Ralph Norman Congressman seventeen percent.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I said Nancy Mays was fourth. I'm wrong, She's fifth.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Rom Roddy got fourteen per cent. Nancy Mays fifth at
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: twelve percent of the vote. So the two leading candidates,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the two Republicans, Vet and Wilson, will advance to a
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: runoff election and then face the Democrat in the general election. Meanwhile,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: in South Carolina, this is an interesting result too. Lindsey Graham,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the longtime senator, some consider him a rhino. What he
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: is is he's from the wing of the Republican Party
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that is interventionist. He for example, has been a hawk
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: on fighting the war with Iran at all of those things,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: but on many issues he's been a staunch defender of
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: President Trump. Lindsey Graham is one of those guys that
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: has a mixed record if you are, I could say,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: if many believe that he's a sellout on a number
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of issues. And some of it has to do with
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: whether or not you're a supporter of Israel or not.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Graham's a strong supporter of Israel and so on. But
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Graham is disliked by many American conservatives. In his own state,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: South Carolina, a candidate ran against Graham from the right
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: in the Republican primary. Graham slaughtered him. He won by
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: so much that there is any even a runoff. It
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: was a multi candidate race. Graham got I want to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: get the result, you're fifty two percent of the vote.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: The leading challenger, I think was get the numbers here, correction.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Graham got fifty seven percent of the vote, Mark Lynch,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the challenger got twenty nine and then a scattering of
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: candidate's five percent, three percent, and so on. So Graham
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: got over the fifty percent threshold. So there's no runoff,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and he'll face the Democrat in the November election. So
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: once again, I think you see that among this divisiveness
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: that you see in the Republican Party, the voters themselves
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: are not that divided. Furthermore, the media keeps focusing on
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: and wants to harp every time a Trump endorsed candidate
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: loses the Republican primary, except it almost never happens. Who
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: do you think Trump endorsed in the governor's race? A
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: vet the one that won. It was never going to
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: endorse Nancy Mays. Eddie endorsed Lindsey Graham. Now I'll give
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you this, I think Trump often endorses the candidate he
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: thinks he's gonna win, so he can say, say my
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: endorsement one. Nonetheless, there's zero indication Trump's endorsement hurts. In Iowa,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the Trump endorsed candidate did not win the race that
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: they had.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: For governor there.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: But in almost every case Trump, the one Trump endorses
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: is the one that does win. It'll be tested in
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin and the congressional race up north in two months. Meanwhile,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, where Spencer Pratt has been knocked out
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: of the mayoral race, he didn't finish the top two
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: thanks to the slow motion counting of the late ballots.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Two thirds of the ballots were in and Pratt had
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: thirty percent of the vote. That KaiA Rahman had nineteen
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: percent of the vote, third place, eleven behind Pratt. Paren
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Karen Bassi, incumbent mayor, was two to three points ahead
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: of Pratt. The remaining one third of the vote was
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: counted and Rockman passed up Pratt, even though with two
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: thirds in she was eleven points behind him. The people
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: who have been running the numbers have pointed out that
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: in order for this to have happened, Rochman overwhelmingly rot
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: One over the other candidates that remaining thirty three percent
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of the vote. People are raising questions about the legitimacy
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: of this. I posted on my threat on X you've
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: met Nick Shirley, who is on this case right now.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: He's the young investigative journalist and he's gotten his hands
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: on some of the California voter rules. There's a woman
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: who's listed as being one hundred either one hundred six
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: or one hundred and twenty six years old and voted
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: fifty one times. They went to her door and she
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: said she had no idea who that person is. California
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: does not allow photo ID for voting. They don't allow
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: requirement of proof of almost anything to register to vote,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the remaining segment of the vote that comes into the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: count later and later and later. Why would now I
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: get the argument that they've made in Milwaukee. The reason
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: why when Milwaukee does it's late night dump the Democrats
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: always gain is well, Milwaukee's a seventy percent democratic city.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Of course, the late night dump is going to dump
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: an incredible number of huge Democrat votes. But why in
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles when they counted the first two thirds you
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: got two liberals here? Bass the incumbent and Roman Bass
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: in the first two thirds of the vote counted right
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: around election day thirty three percent, Brockman nineteen percent. Why
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: would that remaining third go so for overwhelmingly for the
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: liberal candidate who did so poorly in the first two
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: thirds that were counted. It is certainly fishy. No. The
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal has an editorial today, is California election rigged?
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: There's no evidence of fraud, but the states lacks voting
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: rules create openings for it. They misuse the English language here.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: There is evidence of fraud. The evidence is the bizarre
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: anomalies in the counting. Evidence, however, is not proof. The
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: word that they should have used is there's no proof.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Proof.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: It's hard, but there is certainly evidence of it. The
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: very fact they don't have photo ID for voting. It's
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: evidence that there's fraud evidence. Trump has come out and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: said that the elections are crooked, and say of all
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the things that he says, the thing that just sets
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: off the media is any attempt to claim that anything
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: with our election was aremiss The story the media will
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: not do is its own investigation of voter roles and procedures.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: They just won't do it. And I know why they
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: won't do it. I think they'd love to be able
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to go in there and say we didn't fight anything.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: They know that if they started looking into this, they
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: would see fraud.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: These numbers in LA are just weird.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Also in Wisconsin, the late votes that come in with
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the late night dumps are the non imperson votes. For
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the longest time, it was mostly Democrats that voted in
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: advance and Republicans who voted election day. That changed in
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the last election year in twenty twenty four, where the
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Republicans matched the Democrats same day voting. But in Los
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Angeles eighty percent of the votes are cast by mail,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: so there's not a huge difference between the vote the
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: sixty five percent of the vote that were counted on
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: election night and the thirty three percent that trickled in
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the count later and later and later and later. Those
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: are the ballots that come in well after election day,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: because in California the ballot merely has to be postmarked
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: by election day, so they come in later. There is
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: zero reason why you would have such a disproportionate number
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: of those late ballots. Breaking one way, wherein the two
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: thirds of the votes that were counted earlier. They broke
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: not for that candidate that got the majority of them
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: at all. You are listening to the Mark Belling podcast.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling podcast. There's a story that
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: other than maybe a few conservative news outlets, hardly anyone
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: saw it. And that was the way the supporters of
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony reacted to that murder verdict. For those of
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: you not aware, Carmelo Anthety is a high school track
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: star from Texas. After a track meet, he stabbed a
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: competitor to death. He tried to claim that it was
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: self defense, which was a ludicrous allegation. The case has
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: gotten a lot of attention in part because Anthony is
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: African American and the victim, Austin Metcalf, is not. It
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: was also a cold blooded act that was committed in
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: front of numerous witnesses. The jury not surprisingly found Anthony guilty.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: As I say, the case was as close to open
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and shot as you could imagine. But Anthony had a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: number of supporters African American and after the verdict was
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: announced that he was convicted, they caused a massive ruckus.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Now the media doesn't want to show you this because
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: they don't want to show that you have a number
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: of African Americans who think that a black kid should
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: simply be able to murder a white kid. In the meantime,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the sentence that the jury came down with. In this state,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the juries can pronounce sentence. In Wisconsin, judges are the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: only ones that can do a sentence. They sentenced him
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: to thirty five years. Under the law there, you're eligible
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: for parole after fifty percent of your time, meaning he
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: could be up for parole for cobledeburder in seventeen and
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a half years now. They tried to make the claim
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: that this was an act in the heat of the moment,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: in other words, a spontaneous act that would be, of
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: course a softer crime than somebody who set out and
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: planned to kill someone. The fact that he had the
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: knife with him, however, mitigated against that, but the jury
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: did cut him considerable slack. Again, this is a state
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: that often sentenced people to death to the only thirty
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: five years, knowing that eligibility for parole comes up in
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: half the time. The family of Metcalf, the victim.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: They are outraged. So you have both sides outraged.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Carmelo's anthony supporters and for those of you wont don't,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: he's this is not anything to do with the basketball
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: player with the same name. It's not even spelled the same.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: He might have been named after him. But Camerlaw Anthony's
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: just this kid committed the murder. After the track beat,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: you have the victims family upset that this kid was
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: killed in cold blood, and you have supporters of the
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: killer furious that he's punished at all. It's reminiscent to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the reaction to the OJ verdict. Remember when the OJ
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: verdict came out. OJ one of the most obviously guilty murderers.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Every time I think of OJ and the guilty I
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: just think of Norm MacDonald. You know about the whole
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Norm McDonald thing. What yeah, Norm MacDonald used to do
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: He's dead note he died. Very eclectic and funny comedian
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Norm MacDonald did the Weekend Update, you know, Chevy Chase
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: started a lot of people have done it. And during
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: the OJ thing, he would do a joke every week
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: on how OJ was guilty. This was before OJ was convicted,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: and obviously the sensibilities in Los Angeles over all of
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: that is they were ready for somebody to be seeing that,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: especially before the verdict and he did it. I mean,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: it must have been an entire season, every single week,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and what made it funny is just that he kept
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: on doing it. Eventually he was fired. The guy who
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: ran satur NBC Entertainment, Don Oldmeyer, was a buddy of Oja,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and he fired Norm MacDonald.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: The story went on to be legendary.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Anyway, after oj was found not guilty, you had all
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: of these African Americans cheering, and white people were shocked
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: by this. I recall on my program when it was
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: on the afternoon while I was on the air that
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the jury came back with a verdict after an hour
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: of deliberation, and I said, obviously he's getting off. I
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: was shocked by the reaction of my audience. And again
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: this is people were more innocent then. This was ninety seven,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: ninety eight, whenever this was ninety five. Paul was overwhelmed
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: with calls coming in said Mark's wrong, No, he's convicted,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and usually with a verdict in an hour, they are guilt,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: they're gonna let him off. I was way ahead of
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: my time on understanding that the minute that the jury
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: heard that Mark Furmann used the end word at one
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: point in his life. There was no way they were
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: gonna give vict OJ, no matter how guilty he was,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: because in the minds of many people, racism is worse
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: than murder.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: And indeed, the next day the verdict came out and
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: many of I was not shocked.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I I know that OJ's gonna get off, and I
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: have you know of those of you who listen to
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: me way back in the.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Day will recall that.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: But the were Americans that were shocked that he got
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: off and shocked that there were black people that were
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: celebrating somebody that was obviously guilty. Now, many of those
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: people at the times, and no, no, no, J didn't
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: do it right anybody time went along. There wasn't anybody
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: who didn't accept the notion that.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: OJ did it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Now, this story, I'm just telling you, this is example
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: number eighty five million of It's remarkable how many guys
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: threw up their lives over a woman. I've I've been
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: covering examples of this forever and ever and ever. They
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: sort of amuse me, but they also make me shake
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: my head. Now, you're dealing with somebody here who seems
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to be marriage ful, Like if you take a look
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: at me and is wary in relationship. I mean, I
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: get all that. I just can never understand the lengths
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: that some people go to with regard to a woman,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: knowing that if the behavior that they're involved in is
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: found out about, you could be ruined. Here's the latest,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: And I don't know the guy, and I always put
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: this caveat in.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: With prominent people.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: It's possible I've met him and I just don't remember it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: But I know, as far as I know, I've never
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: met this person. His name is Mark Blake. He's a
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: very prominent plastic surgeon.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: He runs.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: He's one of the operators of a big clinic on
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Port Road, which is kind of where Whitefish band Glendale
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: come together. It's just to the north of Bayshore. In fact,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: it might even be part of that complex.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: It's called the Loom.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Cosmetic Surgery and Medspot. Blake, who's fifty one, is charged
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: with multiple counts of stalking. He lives in Whitefish Bay.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Quoting for the JS on the online story it's also
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: on Fox six and all the other sites. Is charged
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: with one count of stalking and three counts of capturing
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: an intimate representation. You can imagine what that is if
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: convicted in all counts he cant face now. They never
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: get all of that, according to the criminal complaint. The
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: woman contacted police on April six that reported she believe Blake,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: her boss at this a Loom cosmetic surgery, had been
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: stalking her for about a year. The woman told investigators
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: that in March fifth, twenty twenty five, after leaving work,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: she received an iPhone notification indicating an Apple AirTag was
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: traveling with her. By the way, that's just another one
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: of the great things that I think.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if the androids have that. Do you
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: know that? Yeah, I mean Apple's thing.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Will An air tag is something it's like a tracker
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: that you can put on a vehicle and if you
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: have an Apple account, it will tell you that there's
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: an AirTag. So her iPhone or a laptop, probably her
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: iPhone was telling her, Hey, an, there's an air tag
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: and it's moving with you, meaning it's on your vehicle.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: After searching her vehicle, she found an air tag that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: did not belong to We're hidden beneath a floor mat
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: on the front passenger side. The woman told police she
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: believed the AirTag and replaced in her vehicle during the workday,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: and alleged Blake used keys from her work locker to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: access the vehicle and place the device there without her consent.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: All right, guy's a plastic surgeon. I mean he probably
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: deals with attractive women and all of this stuff. He
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: must have some interest in stocking this woman, Sue. He
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: goes and puts this air tag. I just I cannot
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: imagine doing this with anyone. I can't imagine being so
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: obsessed with a woman that I.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Would do that. What about you in there? You're a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: married guy, Dave. Can you imagine? Can you imagine doing
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: this Sydney Sweeney?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, but nobody else? So your wife would give you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: a pass of the Sydney Sweeney thing. Yeah, you have
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: to give her a pass with what you know.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Someone like me.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Totally the air tag? She totally. She then used apples
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Find my app This is another reason I use Apple stuff.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: If I lose my iPhone, I can go on my
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: laptop and say, he'll show where the laft where the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: iPhone is the Worst thing though, is when it shows
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: that it's in your home and you can't all right, now,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I know it's here, as opposed to I didn't leave
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: it at work you have to scramble and find where
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: it is there. Find my app to identify information associated
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: with the air tag and discovered it was linked to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: a phone number edded in three three three six, which
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: masks the last four digits of Blake's phone number. Blake
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: initially denied placing the airtel What do you expect them
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: to do? It comes back to a phone number that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: has his last four digits. However, after the woman confronted
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: him with the phone number information, he apologized and said
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: he was worried about her life decisions.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: See this is right up the alley. I've been very
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: concerned about who you may be seeing. Yeah, I bet
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: you were.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: The woman told police she did not initially report the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: incident because she believed Blake's behavior would stop. Probably I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: would too. Wouldn't you think he'd stop she caught him
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: red handed? Wouldn't you think he'd be scared to death?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I mean this is you know, it's like the majority
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of people who get a first time drunk driving, they're
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: so mortified that they they'll never have more than half
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: a drink again. It just I would think for a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: prominent guy that getting caught red handed, and she didn't
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: go to the cops.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: He would even look at her in the workplace, but no.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: The woman told investigators she and Blake had previously been
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: in a relationship and once.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: We're engaged, oh he's an ex. Here we go. She said.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: The relationship ended and became strictly professional before March twentieth
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. And I remember she found this
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: AirTag early twenty twenty five, so the relationship ended like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: ten months earlier. The woman told police that between late
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: March and early April and twenty twenty six this year,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: just a few months ago, Blake bay comments that led
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: her to believe he was aware of her whereabouts outside
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: of work. Blake referenced the recent coffee oating she had
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: with a friend and make comments about the visit. The
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: woman also alleged Blake discussed her whereabouts with coworkers. In
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: question one coworker about whether she was romantically involved with
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: another person. Again, I'm the wrong person to assess this
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: because I.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Say, let it go.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: She ditched you, who in this life has not been
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: ditched at least once. I mean, I guess there are
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: people that met in high school and they are married
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: to live happily ever after, and there was never anybody
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: barring that. I know people want what they can't have.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Nobody's worse than But when I go to arrest, so
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: do they tell me we're out of a couple of things.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I instantly think that that's what it was that I want.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Why what you can't have is the whole reason for
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: aspiration in life. I want a private chat. I can't
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: have a private jet. That makes me want to have
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: a private chat. On the other hand, I'm not gonna
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: steal a private jet. I'm not gonna do it anything
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: to wreck this career. Okay some high woman, Oh I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: can't have you. I'm gonna make a jackass, said to myself.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Lose the podcast, lose everything else, to be a person
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in ridiculed.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: The same thing is true of kitty porn and all
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: of this stuff.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Blake allegedly told the told coworkers that the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: woman's car had been parked there a lot, referring to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: a Milwaukee County home of a person the woman had
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: gone out with for coffee. Because of those comments, the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: woman became suspicious that Blake was monitoring her movement. She
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: told investigators she reviewed devices connected to her Apple a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: count and discovered an unfamiliar iPhone eight.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: That's like cheap o'd one. What are we up to know? Seventeen?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: So he's got it. So there's an iPhone eight that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: he's now using a tracker.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: The woman said Blake had loaded her loaned her an
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: older iPhone while she was on vacation in Bali in
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. She told police she was not certain
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: whether she had logged onto her iCloud account on the device.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: See that's the thing.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: If you haven't Apple device, all of them are going
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: to be linked together. So I mean, if I'm on
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: one device and I set up a pass, what all
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: my other Apple device is? Knowing all of them are
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: on the cloud and so on. So he gives her
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: this phone hoping that she's going to use the phone
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: and go onto the cloud with it, meaning everything she
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: has is on there with it.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: She was not certain that she had locked onto her
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: iCloud account of the device, but said she never gave
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Blake permission to access the location information or Apple account.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: The woman told investigators Blake's actions caused her emotional distresservator
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: fear for her safety. On May seventh. That's last month.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Detectives see I don't like to say their names, examine
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the AirTag and obtained records from Apple. Investigators learned the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: air tags have been purchased as part of a four
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: pack from the Apple store at Bayshore Mall in Glendale.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: The purchase records show the AirTag. I am going to
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: name the detective because this is good work, Samuel Kred.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: The purchase records show the AirTag was bought by a
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: credit card.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: Ending in I won't read those numbers.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Investigators land it determined Blake had a credit card with
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: the same last four digits, so they nailed them earlier
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: on the phone number and on the nailed them out
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: of credit card. During the end for investigation Kran that's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: the detective interviewed another employee who said she had observed
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: behavior from Blake that had not been normal and believed
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: that there was some validity of the woman's concerns. The
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: employee described Blake as being very interested in the woman's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: personal life and said she believed he was upset because
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the woman was now in a relationship with another man.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: The story goes on to say that doctor Christopher Assussi
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: an owner and co founder of Loom Cosmetic Surgery confirmed
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Blake is no longer providing services for the business, end
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: that its staff is cooperating with law enforcement.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: This story is going to follow this guy for the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: rest of his life.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: You do go Google search on the guy's name, and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: all of this is gonna come up because he couldn't
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: handle the fact that this relationship ended. Now this this
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: is one of those stories that you have to think
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: about beyond. It's a Milwaukee doctor is being accused of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: inseminating multiple women with his sperm at the fertility clinic
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that he operated forty years ago. The doctor who's now
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: ninety one, Frederick Dettman, and this is one of those
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: cases where he may almost wish that he would have
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: died before all of this came out. Quoting the story here.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: The attorney involved in the case is Alfeckler. Beckler's client
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: said in nineteen eighty two, she can send it to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: artificial insemination using sperm from an anonymous owner representative, be
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: a medical student instead. The law firm claims the doctor
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: used his own sperm. In twenty twenty four, the patient's son,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I guess I could name him because he's in the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: story on the report Joseph Lagkei did a DNA test
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: manceestry dot com. This is how people are getting caught
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: right and left on this misbehavior that occurred.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Many, many years ago.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: So he runs an ancestry test and the hit comes
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: back to be this guy, and she probably and he
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: was probably trying to find out.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Whose father was.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Who is he was a sperm doctor baby, so he's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: probably trying to find out the naturally, and he has
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: who's this guy and tells the mom that was the doctor.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Now the doctor's now ninety one.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: The results revealed biological connections to multiple half siblings with
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: a common biological father trace back to the obg yn
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: and connections. So apparently there's a lot of half brothers
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: and half sisters around here and they all have the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: same father because he's running this insemination operation and he's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: using his own spur. Now, first of all, you wonder
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: if there's any harm to this. Obviously, if you're doing
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: artificial insemination with an anonymous donor, it can literally be
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: anybody because they're an outamus. So is there any particular
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: problem that it happens to be this doctor as opposed
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: to Frank, the car salesman from down the street.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Then you've got the whole Elon Musk thing. He wants
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: to father as many children as possible. He maintains a
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: relationship with all of them, but he's impregnated zillions and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: zillions and zillions of women. The fact, though, is that
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: this was the doctor, and he was doing it right
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: and left did he have like these delusions of grandeur
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: that he was.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: And you remember the doctor. The patients went to the doctor.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: So when the woman has the child, he knows these
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: are his kids. There's apparently no indication that over the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: years he ever contacted any of them. But here's all
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: these kids running around in the community, and he knows
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: they're theirs.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: In the meantime, Detman's lawyer.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: He's ninety one, he's a respected doctor. He's one of
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: the leaders in his field. This, that, and the other thing.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Forbes magazine runs these lists all the time of the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: wealthiest people in the world, and because it's such a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: hit for them, they break it down the wealthiest this,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: the wealthiest at the wealthiest entertainer. And one of the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: things that they break down so they can do one
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: of these every month is World's Wealthiest self Made Women.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: The two Wisconsin I show up on the list every year,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: and this year they're one and three. Diane Hendrix, who
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: is the operator of ABC Supply in Beloit, is the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: wealthiest self made woman, and Judy Faulkner, who owns EPIC
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: in Verona, the big medical systems company, is third. So
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: and self made is They have their criteria for this.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: For example, in the case of Diane Hendricks, and this
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: is brought up a lot, is she self made because
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: the business that she started she had run with her
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: husband and the husband was the primary operator of it.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Ken Hendrix founded ABC Supply. Diane worked with Ken, but
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: it was more Ken, I.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Believe, and then he died.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: The reason Diane is credited as self made is when
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Ken died, the business was a fraction of the size
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: that it is now. Similar, I guess to the whole
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: argument with regard to Trump. Trump's father was a real
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: estate developer and turned over the business to Donald Trump.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: But that business they didn't have Atlantic City towers and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: all of the stuff that they had. Trump took a
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: business and grew I don't know, forty to fifty sixty
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: times larger. The same thing is is accrued to Diane
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Hendricks that the business began, the fact that a she
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: was involved in the starting of the business with her
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: late husband, and second lay that almost all of the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: massive growth in Diane's net worth is now a twenty
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: two billion one of the richest, never mindself made, one
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: of the richest.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: She the richest woman in the world.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Not sure, but she's under that classification of sel VTA.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: That Judy Falkner Epic, that was her thing. She created EPIC,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: And I just got a couple of medical records that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: weren't EPIC. So there must be finally some competitor that's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: trying to under trying to get in there in that monopoly.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Some of the really all independent clitics won't use EPIC.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you, I go to the doctor
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: and it's a major. It's always EPIC. And EPIC has
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: certain products that might chart and my this and so
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: on that are their own thing. But that is you
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: would not think, like if you hear two of the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: three in the world from Wisconsin are blank, you just
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: wouldn't think it would be self made women, would you.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Ellis Walton is see and the Walton siblings are broken
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: up as separate because when Sam Walton died the certain portion.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: But if you add up all the Waltons together, I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: think they'd be second or third, with Musk obviously.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Number one.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: But of course the Walton children simply inherited everything and
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: aren't involved in managing the Walmart empire. Here's an interesting
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: story for you. I did a story on the program. Weirdly,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: they're both in Kenosha County. That's just coincidence. I was
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: discussing a case in Kenosha where residents of an adjacent community.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: There was another one in Wakasha County. Two residents of
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: an adjacent community are objecting to plans for development in
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: the community next door. This one is especially interesting. We
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: are finally making progress on developing the hard Rock casino
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: in Kenosha. The Potawatamies have been trying and have succeeded
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: for years in blocking the Monominee tribe, which is a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: poorer tribe, from building a casino on land they want
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: designated tribal land on the site of the old dog
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: track in Kenosha. Around is it one fifty eight in
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  Speaker 2: Highway in ninety four. It's either one forty two or
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: one fifty eight. I think it's one fifty eight. Was
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  Speaker 2: the street of the dog Day. It's one exit to the
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  Speaker 2: north of Highway fifty, which is the big main drag
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  Speaker 2: that runs.
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  Speaker 3: Through Kenosha County.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: This area is way to the west of the city
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: of Kenosha, but Kenosha and next the land many years ago,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was even a next to it was
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: the dog track. So the city limits of Kenosha stretch
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  Speaker 2: all the way out to this property, even though all
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: around it at the two adjacent communities Summers, I believe
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: on the east side of I'm not sure of this.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Summers and Pleasant Prairie are both right around there. Residents
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: of Summers in Pleasant Prairie are objecting to this, saying
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: they are going to be overwhelmed by the traffic and
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  Speaker 2: the demand for services because of this casino.
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  Speaker 3: Well maybe they are, but the reality is.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: The casino's and Kenosha, and when Kenosha annects that land,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: its silenced the rights of I think the opponents to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: object to this from the perspective of Kenosha, this is
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: the greatest thing in the world for them. They get
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: all of the minuts of the property taxation here on
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: a property that is miles away from the vast majority
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: of the residents of Kenosha who are.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Way off to the east.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Now the latest in a continuing series of reflections from
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: gen Z. This started with observations about this phenomenon of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: affluent gen Z members returning to church, and then we
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: moved into the area of the reaction from gen Zers
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: over Kevin O'Leary Shark Tank his comment that gen Z's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: got to shut up about it's whining about affordability given
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: the fact that they spend money like crazy and they
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: want to live the lifestyle of a rich person in
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: their fifties at the age of twenty two. And gen
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Z just thinks that that take is wrong. Here's an
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  Speaker 2: observation from another member of gm Z. His name is James.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: He wrote a thing that was so long that he
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: created a PDF file for thing about the gen Zers
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  Speaker 2: is they're very self reflective. The millennials were too mark.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Before I get to the purpose of this paper, I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: thought I would let you know that I'm a big
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: fan of the show and I've been listening to you
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: since I was in the fourth grade. My mother would
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: often pick me up at the library after school. You
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: know how many times I've heard this. They call themselves
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: belling babies and have listen and radio show on while
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: we drove home. I guess that makes me a belling baby. Hopefully,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: with this paper I connect some dots between gen Z's
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  Speaker 2: right word shift, it's declining interest in higher education, it's
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  Speaker 2: return under Christianity, and even the growing appeal of socialism
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: among some young people. Lately on your podcast, there have
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: been recurring there's been a recurring topic gen Z versus
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the Boomers.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: As a member of gen.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Z, myself twenty two years old, I thought I would
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: finally send in my perspective. I think the best place
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: to start is by explaining what gen Z actually wants.
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  Speaker 2: Contrary to what many commentators, including mister Wonderful that's Kevin O. Larry, claim,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: most of us are not demanding luxury lifestyles, are expecting
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: everything to be handed to us. We want what every
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: generation before us wanted, a family. Oh, let me interject
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: the millennials didn't want that. There was an aversion to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: marriage and family with the Millennials. But otherwise I'll grant
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  Speaker 2: you that pretty much e every generation this has been
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: the aspiration of the majority a family, a home, and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: a stable career. In other words, we want the American dream.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: The problem is that for many of us, the American
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: dream is dead on arrival. No many dispute this for
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: argument's sake. Gen Z is defined as those born between
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. That looking at the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: timeline of our lives reveals a lot about our political attitudes.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight, Barack Obama was elected when
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the oldest gen Z members were only eleven years old.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, he was reelected with the oldest among
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: us were fifteen. In twenty twenty, Joe Biden was elected
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: while the oldest gen Z members were twenty three years old.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Yet more than half of the generation was still too
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: young to vote. During these periods, Obama care passes, the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: climate scam takes over, inflation outpaces wage growth, and major
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: indoctrination takes place in our schools. Many Gen Z entered
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: adulthood during COVID, we lost opportunities for first jobs, internships,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: and career launches. Gas prices soared as many of us
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: were getting our driver's licenses here, housing costs skyrocketed, grocery
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: bills climbed, used car prices axloated. By the time many
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: of us reached adulthood, nearly every major milestone had become
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: more expensive and less attainable than it was for our parents.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Home ownership is perhaps the best example. It is significantly
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: more expensive to buy a starter home today than it
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: is when our parents bought theirs. Even after adjusting for wages,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: starter homes remained dramatically less affordable.
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  Speaker 3: No, I debate that, but not for the reasons.
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  Speaker 2: He thinks, So I'm not going to digress into that,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: but clearly this is a complaint of many of the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: gen Zers that I don't want to necessarily start out
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: a six hundred thousand dollars house, but the starter house
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: we can't afford continuing. In previous generations, having a modest
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: home and starting a family were goals that could often
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: be pursued simultaneously. Today, many young adults feel forced to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: choose between the two, which has been demonstrated by millennials
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: having a house filled with pets, not a house filled
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: with children. What is the government's answer to the declining
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: birth rate import people? Higher education has become another major
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: source of frustration. I will admit that some students pursue
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: degrees that have a little value in the job market. However,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: that does not explain why tuition costs have exploded for everyone.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: He's onto something here, and the UW system again past
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: another tuition hike. It doesn't matter how much money would
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: give them, they keep raising tuition. And I think that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: this kid is on to the point twenty two. It's
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: on to the point that all of these problems that
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: are said, they are indeed all caused by liberals. It's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: liberals that run the university systems. It's liberals that overstaff them.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: It's liberals that have colleges that pollute the curriculum with
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: women's studies, and all sorts of other very dubious academic pursuits,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: and certainly ones that you don't need more than a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: handful of universities to offer degrees in back to his piece,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: someone pursuing a degree in architecture, computer science, nursing, or
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: another st field often pays the same tuition as someone
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: pursuing a degree with far lower earning potential. We constantly
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: hear that America needs more scientists, engineers, and skilled professionals.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Yet the financial burden placed on students entering these fields
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: continue to rise, and what is the government's answer import people,
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  Speaker 2: Many young people graduate with tens of thousands of dollars
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: in debt before they even begin their careers. Some spend
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: decades trying to escape that debt. It should not surprise
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: anyone that gen z is increasing questioning whether college is
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: worth the cost. Well, I've been questioning that forever. Older
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: generations got degrees for far less costs. I admit that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: and having a summer job allowed them to pay for tuition.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: At UW Milwaukee, tuition is seven thousand dollars. No summer
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: job can put a dent in theb Now, I'll disagree
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: with his use of the term dent. It depends what
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: you mean.
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  Speaker 3: By dent. I remember what my tuition was in college.
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  Speaker 2: It was about fifteen percent of that and I was
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: making minimum wage and I was in college, and which was.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: A buck and a half. I thought it made a dent.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Even though that dent was admittedly someone minor, it did
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: make a dent. It the dent that I felt that
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: it made as it helped me pay for the costs
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: of housing very very limited because you live with five
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: guys in a shack spread that out and food we ate.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Crap didn't cost very much and beer was not very
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: expensive then.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: But again his point about making a dent.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I questioned the use of the term dent, but I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: suppose that's neither here nor there. Continuing the economic frustration
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: helps explain several political trends occurring at the same time.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Many members of gen Z have moved to the right.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: They watched government imposed lockdowns, closed schools, restrict businesses, and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: exercise unprecedented authority during COVID. Let me interject, he's right,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: the gen Z ers saw through the COVID crap. It
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: was the millennials that were putting masks on it, terrified
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: of germs and all of that nonsense. It was the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: younger kids that were kept out of school, that locked
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: up and not allowed to play sports and not have
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: a prom that knew that this was a bunch of crap,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: particularly when they realized that young people didn't get sick
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: from COVID. I think this is me now, not the writer.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: A clear rebellion between the gen zs as opposed to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: the millennials. The millennials. The millennials are scared to death
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: of anything that's going to make them sick. And the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: gen Zers were kids who wanted to live, so you
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: certainly right about that. Continuing, they witnessed institutions they once
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: trusted lose credibility. Many also became frustrated with what they
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: viewed as ideological activism as schools, corporations in the media.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: As a result, some sawt alternatives in conservatism, Christianity, and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: traditional values. At the same time, gen Z's leftward shift
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: towards socialism should not surprise anyone either. While I disagree
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: with all socialist solutions, at least Democrats are acknowledging that
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: serious economic problems exist. Republicans often respond by insisting everything
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: is fine, or by blaming young people for spending too
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: much money. Now I'll interchecked. I don't think everything's fine.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Trump ran on the fact that there's this divide between
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: the haves and the have nots. But that doesn't mean
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: that even though it isn't fine and that there is
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: lack of opportunity, it doesn't mean that you're also not
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: contributing to it by making bad financial decisions. Both things
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: here can be true, and this is where I disagree
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: a bit with the person who's sharing his thoughts here.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I certainly agree that college has been unaffordable. I certainly
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: agree that we've been pushing people that are taking student
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: loans for useless degrees when we show to be pushing
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: way more of them into skilled trades and in other
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: professions in which they're employable. Agree with all of that,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: but I also agree that there is a problem with
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: regard to spending too much, expecting too much. Without going
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: into all of it, I think you take all of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: this back to Obama. Cash for Clunkers is one of
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: the most terrible government programs ever. We destroyed hundreds of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: thousands of cars that would have become the cheap beater
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: cards that you could buy for three or four hundred dollars,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: the kind that most of us always started with. Obama
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: got rid of all of them because he had this
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: social program that had a goal of having younger people
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: less reliant on transfer on automobiles for transportation. So he
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: paid this fortune in the name of saving the environment.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: But it radically distorted the cost of transportation. In the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: same way, I will argue that illegal immigration is radically
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: distorting the cost of housing by bringing in all of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: these illegals to flood the housing market at the bottom end.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: It drives the price of everything else up. Now he's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: I think, agreeing with that by saying that the importing
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: people is one of the solutions that we have. But
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: I contend that with regard to the gen Zers, both
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: things are true. They have more challenges than other generations
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: because of all of the things that they cite, the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: cost of this college, all the stuff that mandates from government,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: and so on. But there is a problem with gen
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Z having expectations that their twenties and thirties, they're not
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: supposed to be dirt poor and licking the sidewalks. You're
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: supposed to have it rough, and you're supposed to have
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: to save a long time to get a house. I
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: waited a long time, but I was saving, saving savings
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: so I could have.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: The down payment.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: I admit I didn't have much of a student loan,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: but I worked all the way through college. It wasn't
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: as expensive, probably not even inflation adjusted. But my flip
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: side to this is how many of the students who
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: are claiming this affordability problem went to Marquette or Beloit
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: or Lawrence or MSOE Private schools with much higher tuition
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: as opposed to going to Platfill or Whitewater. Now they're
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: still too high also, but they are more affordable for
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: in state tuition. And finally, concluding his thoughts, if one
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: party acknowledged that housing, healthcare, at education have becoming unaffordable,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: will the other party deny that there is even a problem?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: And I just think I don't think most Republicans are
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: denying that many struggling young people would naturally gravitate for
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the party that at least recognizes their concerns. The proposed
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: solutions by socialists are flawed, but recognition of the problem matters.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: This brings me to Christianity. What do I think is
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: driving the renewed interest in religion among many young people?
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: In large part I believe it is in response to
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: the instability and uncertainty we have experienced. Many of us
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: lost friends during COVID, not necessarily to the virus, but
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: to the depression, addiction, and suicide.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: I talked about what was happening, that we're going to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: turn these people into drug addicts, that the isolation and
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: the lack of ability to have fun, they a become depressed,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: b they turn to opiates.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: All of that happened.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Because we listen to cretinus criminals like Fauci and the
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: public health quacks, the thought that we could avoid a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: virus by locking ourselves up for three years, rather than
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: go out there and get exposed to the damn thing
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: and hope our bodies would fight it off, which you've
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: done with every other illness in the history of matt
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Am I relating it in an old problem, Yes I am,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: because he does bring it up, and his point is valid,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: and he's saying this is one of the reasons that
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: young people have turned back to religion because of this
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: sense of betrayal by institutions, and I think he makes
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: sense with regard to this. The mental health consequences of
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: isolation were severe. Young people were separated from friends, extra regularactivities, jobs,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: and normal social development. We watched their families struggle financially
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: while being tooled everything was under control.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: For many people.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: These experiences created a search for meaning, community, and stability.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: To this day, I still don't think that school board
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: members politicians have answered for this. Of course they haven't.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Ebers hasn't answered for his lockdowns. The school board members
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: that close schools because you had a bunch of sissified
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: teachers too afraid of getting the COVID by teaching in
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: front of kids.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: I came into the radio station every day.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I wasn't going to cower because Paul or somebody else
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: might give me COVID.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: So he's write about this.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: There was a sense of betrayal by people who overreacted
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: to COVID and b were so afraid of dying that
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: they abandoned their responsibilities to human beings.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: To keep society function. It is it all.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: About you, he continues. My school had two suicides. My
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: best friends at the time attempted to take cake her
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: own life, and all officials refused to recognize the role
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: that they played in this.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Well, he's right about that.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: When schools reopened, many students felt alienated by what they
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: perceived as increasingly ideological instruction.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Again, he's right.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Whether one agrees with that perception or not, it is
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: reality for many members of my generation. Some some responded
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: by rejecting traditional institutions altogether. Others turned toward religion and
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: faith communities that offered a sense of purpose and belonging.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: This most clearly, This can most clearly be seen by
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: white males voting overwhelmingly for Donald Trump to twenty twenty
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: four presidential election. Ultimately, I think the political and cultural
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: shifts we are witnessing among gen Z can be traced
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: back to one central central issue, affordability and stability. My
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: generation wants the same things previous generations wanted, a home
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: of family, meaningful work, and a chance to build a future.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Yet many of us feel those goals and becoming increasingly
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: difficult to achieve. Before the generations want to understand gen Z,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: they should start there and reflect on how on how
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: they voted to make this happen. Issues like this don't
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: happen overnight. They happen overgeneration. So it's a good essay
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: that he points out. The one area that I will
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: quarrel with is I contend. When I emerged at the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: age of twenty two at the same time he did,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: the economy was worse than.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: It was now.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: When I got out of college, mortgage rates were well
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: over ten percent. They were clearly in the double digits.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: All interest rates were at that level, inflation was running
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: extremely hot, and unemployment was staggering. Now, I admit, not
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: all Baby boomers came of age in the Jimmy Carter era.
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  Speaker 2: But I did, and it was worse than everything was unaffordable.
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  Speaker 2: The notion of home ownership until you were in your
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  Speaker 2: mid thirties unless you had parents who gave you the money,
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  Speaker 2: which a lot did, was not going to happen. And
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  Speaker 2: housing meant live living in dumps for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: which many of us did. And there was this notion
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  Speaker 2: that indeed, yet all of this is accessible, but in
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  Speaker 2: a few decades. The lack of perspective, I think is
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  Speaker 2: the thing that flaws gen Z his arguments coming from
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  Speaker 2: a conservative perspective about how all of this was the
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  Speaker 2: doing of the votes of older people who voted for leftists.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly that's correct.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Marked Belling podcast. This is the markedlling podcast.
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  Speaker 2: The breweries have en this was coming.
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  Speaker 3: I know. This is a season ticket older I've been getting.
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  Speaker 2: They give you all these surveys and you can kind
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  Speaker 2: of tell that they're driving at something. The one thing
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  Speaker 2: that well, I won't say the one thing, but one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that American family field has lacked is
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  Speaker 2: high end seating. All across America at sporting venues, the
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  Speaker 2: best seats become uber expensive and have all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: amenities associated with it. For example, you know the NBA
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  Speaker 2: Finals are now going out at New York Madison Square Garden.
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  Speaker 2: Front row seats at the Garden have always cost a fortune,
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  Speaker 2: and they should cross the fortune.
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  Speaker 3: It's a front row seat at the Garden, and sports.
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  Speaker 2: Teams have been creating premium experiences for the best seats
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  Speaker 2: that they're out there because they can get the money.
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  Speaker 3: The front row of the seats at.
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  Speaker 2: American Family Field are the same kind of seats that
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  Speaker 2: you get in the upper deck. The only seats that
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  Speaker 2: are a little bit wider and more cushy are those
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  Speaker 2: in the club area. So the Brewers have created this
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  Speaker 2: thing called the Trust Club. I've been wondering for the
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  Speaker 2: longest time what they're building down the right field line,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what it is. It's a big, two
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  Speaker 2: story club going to have high end food and the
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  Speaker 2: only people who are going to be able to be
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  Speaker 2: members of those who have tickets in the first six
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  Speaker 2: rows in the arab Hind home plate. So they're going
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  Speaker 2: to reconstruct the seats behind home plate, take out some rows,
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  Speaker 2: make bigger seats, wider seats, add an additional row that's
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  Speaker 2: in there, and.
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  Speaker 3: Hugely jack up the price.
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  Speaker 2: They're talking about the back row being two forty five
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  Speaker 2: a ticket. Right now they're on one hundred hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ten and go up each row. I guess is that
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  Speaker 2: the front row behind the home plate. This is my guess.
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  Speaker 2: This is not the Brewers will be in the range
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  Speaker 2: of five hundred dollars a ticket. They're going to get it.
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  Speaker 2: Those seats will all sell out. It's just like at
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  Speaker 2: the Bucks game. The more expensive the seat, the likeer
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  Speaker 2: it has to be sold the Bucks season ticket. Bucks
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  Speaker 2: season ticket holders do not buy cheap moot seats in
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  Speaker 2: the corner of the upper deck, even though they're very inexpensive.
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  Speaker 2: They spend hundreds and hundreds per seat for every game
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  Speaker 2: with better views.
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  Speaker 3: Are gonna get it now.
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  Speaker 2: Before it actually came out, I said to a friend,
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  Speaker 2: a butt, I know who the big loser in this is.
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  Speaker 2: The big loser is front row Amy. And then I
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  Speaker 2: see this story. I because that Fox ex front row
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  Speaker 2: Amy is.
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  Speaker 3: Bitching about the h I don't think. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if she has the budget to afford the what.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so she might not be in the front
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  Speaker 2: row anymore. But the way she got that ticket, it
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  Speaker 2: me and the story's been told forever and ever and ever.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody gave up a single seat, or it might have
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  Speaker 2: been somebody on a block of three, an odd number,
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  Speaker 2: and she had the interest in buying a single seat,
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  Speaker 2: and that's how she got that seat in that particular row.
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  Speaker 2: So she just goes by herself and has that seat
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  Speaker 2: in That seat is just the cost of a front
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  Speaker 2: row ticket, because while it's a great seat, it's just
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  Speaker 2: the same seat with no additional amenity or anything else,
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  Speaker 2: or no your own parking or anything. Did anybody else forget?
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  Speaker 2: And the Breweries are moving in that direction whether the
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  Speaker 2: quick Brewer notes the Brewers have again struck that Atlanta
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  Speaker 2: started this, and the Brewers quickly adopted it, and that
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  Speaker 2: is take a player still in the minor leagues and
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  Speaker 2: sign him to a long term, guaranteed contract so that
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  Speaker 2: you don't run the risk of losing him in free agency.
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  Speaker 2: The first player they did this with was Jackson Surio.
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  Speaker 2: They've done it with a few others earlier this year
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Pratt, the infielder. The reason the upside in doing
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  Speaker 2: it is you control the player. He doesn't get to
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  Speaker 2: go to salary arbitration for seven years, and you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about losing him for seven years, and
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  Speaker 2: his cost is rather affordable. The downside is you're guaranteeing
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  Speaker 2: this money to somebody who may not pan out.
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  Speaker 3: They've done it again.
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  Speaker 2: Outfield that Luis Lara is having one of the best
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  Speaker 2: hitting seasons of anyone in Triple A baseball.
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  Speaker 3: It is risky.
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  Speaker 2: However, Lara was never thought of as a high prospect.
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  Speaker 2: He was not even in the Brewer Top twenty five
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  Speaker 2: a year and a half ago. His seasons in the
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  Speaker 2: minor leagues as he moved up Single A class ABA
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  Speaker 2: were blah at best. He's exploded in Triple A. He's
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  Speaker 2: only twenty one. The upside for the Brewers is you've got.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody who now has potential superstar written all over him.
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  Speaker 3: They've locked him up.
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  Speaker 2: It's a seven year deal with team options for three,
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  Speaker 2: so essentially they control him for ten years if they
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  Speaker 2: want to. So the upside for laaras he starts getting
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money now, he doesn't have to have
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  Speaker 2: a rookie contract when he makes the major leagues and
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  Speaker 2: so on.
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  Speaker 3: The downside is he might be a one year wonder.
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  Speaker 2: That strategy, however, of lower market teams that have great
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  Speaker 2: prospects tying a player up for ten years, which they've.
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  Speaker 3: Done now with Churio, with Pratt, Have they done it
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  Speaker 3: with Terrang? I don't think they have.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, with Terrang, and I would say I think
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  Speaker 2: I know the reason that they don't. They're loaded in
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  Speaker 2: their system with infielders and trading Bryce Terrang to get
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  Speaker 2: them an incredible haul back, and Terrang has already played
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  Speaker 2: a few years. The cost of that extension would be great.
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  Speaker 2: The Brewer's model is to get players and keep them
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  Speaker 2: until they're thirty and thirty one, and then let them
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  Speaker 2: go and let their rag arms and bodies fall apart
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  Speaker 2: for some other team, which has happened again and again
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  Speaker 2: and again and again.
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  Speaker 3: The Corbin Burns with.
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  Speaker 2: His decrepit body, the Devin Williams, who can't get anybody
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  Speaker 2: out all of these players that they've allowed to let
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  Speaker 2: go while they get all of these great years out
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  Speaker 2: of them by developing talent early and then in the
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  Speaker 2: appropriate cases, signing them to these long term deals, which
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  Speaker 2: of course carries the risk that the player could get hurt,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: the player be a bust. I do not believe they've
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: signed Mazerowski to an extension.
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  Speaker 3: Have they not?
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  Speaker 2: And I think he would be a terrible candidate for
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: an extension. I have a hard time doing it with
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  Speaker 2: any pitcher. I just pitchers have a great Pitchers have
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  Speaker 2: a greater tendency to have their arms fall apart than
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  Speaker 2: some guy running around. I still don't even know how
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  Speaker 2: you can get hurt playing first base. I played first space,
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  Speaker 2: I played third base.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a slow white guy. I admit that
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know how it would have simple to
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  Speaker 2: get hurt. Well, I wasn't overweight, I was a skinny
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  Speaker 2: rail and so on. But some of these guys, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I get that they're all muscle bound and they can
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  Speaker 2: pull muscles and turn ankles in this, that.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: I I just think that baseball has got to be
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  Speaker 2: like the least risky sport out. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: they all get hurt. Pictures, I understand why they get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: They're throwing fastballs at one hundred and four miles an hour.
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  Speaker 2: They're throwing slider Mizerowski throws a cutter at ninety nine.
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  Speaker 2: That is defying physics. So no, I wouldn't give him
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  Speaker 2: a long term con hurt. I just wouldn't. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you got control of them for seven years after this,
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  Speaker 2: and but signing under a thing that guarantees it and
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  Speaker 2: keeping it for ten.
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  Speaker 3: The Yankees can do that, The Dodgers can do that.
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  Speaker 2: Milwaukee can't afford to make a mistake that cost them
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  Speaker 2: two million dollars over someone that gets injured.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: They did this again with Luis Laura and so far
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  Speaker 2: there've been no misses on this. Atlanta started. I think
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Acuna of Atlanta was the first guy to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay did a two.
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  Speaker 2: There are certain smaller, if not small market teams that thrive.
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  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay and the Brewers are the same operation. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: they tie up players for a long time, They draft brilliantly,
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  Speaker 2: and they do a better job than most teams of
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  Speaker 2: developing players and then improving players once they get there.
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