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- 0:12Speaker 1: From The Australian. I'm Claire Harvey. We're hoping you're having
- 0:15Speaker 1: a great holiday break and today we're bringing you one
- 0:18Speaker 1: of our favorite episodes from the year. This episode originally
- 0:23Speaker 1: aired on March four as the legal saga, prompted by
- 0:26Speaker 1: Brittany higgins allegation she was raped by Bruce Lammon, entered
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- 0:50Speaker 2: The first thing that sort of awoke me was I
- 0:53Speaker 2: was in a pain.
- 0:55Speaker 3: My leg was kind of being crushed. The senior staff
- 0:59Speaker 3: was on top of me.
- 1:00Speaker 1: This is the moment that launched a thousand lawsuits.
- 1:03Speaker 2: So I woke up med rate.
- 1:05Speaker 1: Essentially, this is Britney Higgins's claim on Network Tends the
- 1:09Speaker 1: Project that as a twenty three year old Liberal staffer
- 1:12Speaker 1: she was raped by another twenty three year old later
- 1:15Speaker 1: identified as Bruce Lahman, an allegation Lahirman completely denies. The
- 1:20Speaker 1: Project's story wasn't just an allegation of rape. It was
- 1:24Speaker 1: about Higgins's sweeping claim that the then Coalition government led
- 1:28Speaker 1: by Scott Morrison had actively silenced her. Higgins accused two
- 1:33Speaker 1: women of being core to the cover up, her then boss,
- 1:36Speaker 1: Cabinet Minister Linda Reynolds, and reynolds then chief of staff
- 1:41Speaker 1: Fiona Brown. Both women have since said they're devastated by
- 1:45Speaker 1: higgins allegation and that in fact they encouraged Higgins to
- 1:49Speaker 1: go to the police and gave her their full support.
- 1:52Speaker 1: Fiona Brown, the former staffer, has indicated she wants only
- 1:56Speaker 1: to move on. Linda Reynolds, the former minister, is not
- 2:00Speaker 1: going anywhere. She's fighting for her reputation, firing defamation lawsuits
- 2:05Speaker 1: at everyone who's accused her of wrongdoing, including Higgins, her
- 2:08Speaker 1: partner David Scharaz and Shane Drumgold, the former Chief Prosecutor
- 2:13Speaker 1: of the Act, and today the Australians revealing Reynolds has
- 2:17Speaker 1: had a big win in the case against drum Gold.
- 2:20Speaker 1: The Act government has quietly settled the defamation matter out
- 2:24Speaker 1: of court by giving Reynolds a substantial payout.
- 2:29Speaker 2: Lenna Reynolds was and has been for a long time
- 2:32Speaker 2: now very distressed about the way that she was represented
- 2:36Speaker 2: and indeed misrepresented through the whole Higgins Lherman saga.
- 2:42Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is the Australian's New South Wales editor that.
- 2:46Speaker 2: Of course states back to the claims by Higgins that
- 2:50Speaker 2: Reynolds took no care of her, ignored her claims of
- 2:55Speaker 2: being raped at the hands of British lherman, did a
- 2:58Speaker 2: little or nothing about it afterwards, and indeed washed the
- 3:02Speaker 2: hands of it for political reasons at the time. Now,
- 3:06Speaker 2: those misrepresentations obviously gnawed away at Reynolds, and I guess
- 3:11Speaker 2: partly because you'll recall that at one point Linda Reynolds
- 3:16Speaker 2: was forced to apologize to Higgins and indeed pay her
- 3:21Speaker 2: money because she was discovered to have called her a
- 3:24Speaker 2: lying cow.
- 3:26Speaker 1: This comment lying cow is something another political staffer said
- 3:31Speaker 1: she'd heard Linda Reynolds say while watching that TV interview.
- 3:35Speaker 1: Reynolds admitted saying those words. But and this goes to
- 3:39Speaker 1: the heart of Linda reynolds gripe. She says she was
- 3:42Speaker 1: not denying Higgins had been raped. She was objecting to Higgins'
- 3:46Speaker 1: claim that Reynolds was part of a politically motivated cover up.
- 3:52Speaker 1: This is believed to be the fifth successful legal action
- 3:55Speaker 1: brought by Linda Reynolds. She sued radio hosts and others
- 3:59Speaker 1: for airing allegations against her, and on Tuesday she'll face
- 4:03Speaker 1: off with her main accuser.
- 4:05Speaker 2: There is another case coming up very soon. In fact,
- 4:08Speaker 2: on Tuesday, Linda Reynolds in mediation will be meeting Britney
- 4:13Speaker 2: Higgins and David Sharraz over a claim that she's taken
- 4:16Speaker 2: against them. So this is an ongoing process for Reynolds.
- 4:20Speaker 2: She's determined to clear her name, no matter what it costs,
- 4:24Speaker 2: no matter how far she has to go. And indeed,
- 4:28Speaker 2: Higgins and Charras have had to fly back from France,
- 4:31Speaker 2: as I understand it, the first time that they've been
- 4:34Speaker 2: back to Australia since they left a few months ago
- 4:38Speaker 2: to take part in this mediation in Perth to try
- 4:41Speaker 2: of the latest case that Reynolds has brought against them.
- 4:47Speaker 1: A brief recap for you of the way events unfolded
- 4:50Speaker 1: after that alleged incident. In the early hours of March
- 4:54Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty nineteen, after Friday night drinks, Higgins and
- 4:58Speaker 1: Lemon took an uber to Parliament. Higgins says she fell
- 5:01Speaker 1: asleep in the Ministerial suite on Reynold's sofa, then woke
- 5:05Speaker 1: up to find Lemon raping her. Lemon denies any sexual
- 5:09Speaker 1: contact at all. On the following Tuesday, March twenty six,
- 5:13Speaker 1: Lemon and Higgins were both in the office when Chief
- 5:15Speaker 1: of Staff Fiona Brown called Leamon into her room and
- 5:18Speaker 1: told him he'd breached security by entering Parliament and had
- 5:22Speaker 1: to pack up his desk and leave. Higgins says that
- 5:25Speaker 1: day she told Fiona Brown she'd woken up to find
- 5:28Speaker 1: Lemon on top of her. Brown says Higgins didn't tell
- 5:32Speaker 1: her this, and when Brown asked, did something happen you
- 5:35Speaker 1: didn't want Higgins indicated no. Brown says it was only
- 5:39Speaker 1: later she realized Higgins had been found naked on the
- 5:42Speaker 1: sofa by a security guard and realized there might be
- 5:45Speaker 1: something more sinister. Brown says it wasn't until the Thursday
- 5:49Speaker 1: that Higgins told her Lamon had been on top of her.
- 5:52Speaker 1: Brown alleges Reynolds and another senior politician, Alex Hawk, wanted
- 5:56Speaker 1: her to go to police at this stage and report
- 5:58Speaker 1: that something had happened. Brown said she refused that she
- 6:02Speaker 1: didn't believe that was right because Higgins was insisting she
- 6:05Speaker 1: didn't want the police involved. On April one, Brown says
- 6:09Speaker 1: she and Reynolds met with Higgins and the minister encouraged
- 6:12Speaker 1: Higgins to go to the police. Brown says she walked
- 6:16Speaker 1: Higgins to the police office in Parliament House, and that
- 6:18Speaker 1: subsequently Higgins told her she decided not to pursue a
- 6:22Speaker 1: formal complaint. During the criminal trial of Bruce Lammon, which
- 6:28Speaker 1: ended without a verdict and saw the charges dropped, droum
- 6:31Speaker 1: Gold had taken the dramatic step of asking the trial
- 6:34Speaker 1: judge Lucy McCallum for permission to question Reynolds as a
- 6:38Speaker 1: hostile witness. Under Drumgold's questioning, Reynolds said all she knew
- 6:42Speaker 1: at the time of her April one meeting with Higgins
- 6:45Speaker 1: at Brown was that there'd been a security breach with
- 6:48Speaker 1: the two young staff entering the office after hours. At
- 6:51Speaker 1: that trial, Drumgold put it to Reynolds that she knew
- 6:54Speaker 1: there was what he called a sexual element to the incident.
- 6:58Speaker 1: Reynolds denied it that later, Reynolds admitted she did, in
- 7:01Speaker 1: fact know by the time of that Monday meeting that
- 7:04Speaker 1: there was an allegation of sexual misconduct. Both Brown and
- 7:07Speaker 1: Reynolds say Higgins did not tell them at any point
- 7:11Speaker 1: she'd been raped. Now, the beef between Reynolds and Drumgold
- 7:15Speaker 1: seems to go pretty deep, and like most things in
- 7:17Speaker 1: this matter, it's extremely complicated. But boiling it down Ricey,
- 7:22Speaker 1: it centers on a letter that Drumgold wrote. Who was
- 7:25Speaker 1: that to and what did he say?
- 7:27Speaker 2: Well, this is a letter that Shane Drumgold had written
- 7:30Speaker 2: to the Chief of Police immediately after the criminal trial finished,
- 7:35Speaker 2: in which he made a number of allegations that the
- 7:37Speaker 2: police had acted poorly, in fact disgracefully through the trial,
- 7:43Speaker 2: that they'd gaged up on him, that they'd instead of
- 7:45Speaker 2: helping the prosecution, they'd help the defense.
- 7:49Speaker 1: Drumgold also alleged in the letter that Linda Reynolds had
- 7:51Speaker 1: been politically motivated throughout the trial and had sought to
- 7:54Speaker 1: coach Bruce Lemmon's lawyers. Drumgold was so motivated about this
- 8:00Speaker 1: ask the act Government to call a special inquiry into
- 8:02Speaker 1: the matter, but that didn't go as it hoped. Here's
- 8:06Speaker 1: what drum Gold told the inquiry, chaired by eminent jurist
- 8:09Speaker 1: Walter Soffronoff kc into these allegations of political interference. You'll
- 8:14Speaker 1: hear him being questioned by counsel assisting the inquiry eron
- 8:18Speaker 1: longbottom case. She's asking him about this letter. So did
- 8:23Speaker 1: you think there was a conspiracy of foot.
- 8:26Speaker 3: I had not formed a view solidly one way or another,
- 8:30Speaker 3: but I thought that there was enough incidences to make
- 8:34Speaker 3: it possible, if not probable.
- 8:37Speaker 1: These are very serious allegations you make in this letter,
- 8:42Speaker 1: their allegations made with the authority.
- 8:45Speaker 3: Of your office.
- 8:46Speaker 1: Do you think possible is the right state of mind
- 8:51Speaker 1: to make those allegations?
- 8:52Speaker 3: Well, I mean you get stuck on adjectives. I felt
- 8:56Speaker 3: that there was enough evidence there to justify an inquiry
- 8:59Speaker 3: into it.
- 9:00Speaker 1: In his final report, Sofronoff was scathing about Drumgold's claims,
- 9:04Speaker 1: saying they were completely baseless coming up. So was there
- 9:11Speaker 1: a conspiracy or not? While I've got you, we'd love
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- 9:44Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the front, you'll know there
- 9:46Speaker 1: are a bunch of other court cases going on, including
- 9:48Speaker 1: Bruce Lammon suing Network ten for defamation Shane Drumgold suing
- 9:52Speaker 1: the Board of Inquiry for effectively ending his career in
- 9:56Speaker 1: the defamation case being heard by Justice Michael Lee and
- 9:59Speaker 1: the Federal Court. Network ten has denied it. Ever put
- 10:02Speaker 1: the imputation there was a political cover up simply that
- 10:05Speaker 1: it aired higgins belief that this was so. The Commonwealth
- 10:09Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two paid Brittney Higgins two point four
- 10:12Speaker 1: million dollars over her claims Reynolds and Brown had told
- 10:15Speaker 1: her to be quiet about the alleged rape. Brown and
- 10:19Speaker 1: Reynolds have both strongly denied these claims. Russie, You've sat
- 10:24Speaker 1: through hundreds of hours of various court hearings in relation
- 10:27Speaker 1: to this matter. What's your instinct about it?
- 10:30Speaker 2: You know?
- 10:31Speaker 1: Was there a grand political conspiracy to cover this matter up?
- 10:34Speaker 3: Or two?
- 10:34Speaker 1: No?
- 10:35Speaker 2: Not prosecute Bruce Lean Absolutely not. I mean I couldn't
- 10:39Speaker 2: be clear about that. And let me make it clear.
- 10:42Speaker 2: I am not talking about the allegation of a rape.
- 10:45Speaker 2: I'm not talking about whether or not Bruce Lehmon raped
- 10:48Speaker 2: Brittney Higgins in that suite. What I'm talking about is
- 10:51Speaker 2: her later allegation that there was a political conspiracy involving
- 10:56Speaker 2: people like Linda Reynolds and her chiefest staff Fiona Brown,
- 11:00Speaker 2: to cover the thing up, to make it go away
- 11:03Speaker 2: because somehow it was going to be embarrassing for the
- 11:06Speaker 2: Liberal Party in the middle of a federal election. Absolute nonsense,
- 11:10Speaker 2: And in fact, everybody who's examined this case ever since
- 11:15Speaker 2: has concluded that Walter Sofronoff, who spent months going through
- 11:19Speaker 2: all of this, has absolutely stated clearly there was no
- 11:23Speaker 2: political cover up. And in fact, I'd suggest, without wanting
- 11:28Speaker 2: to put words in his mouth, that when Justice Lee
- 11:32Speaker 2: makes his inevitable findings in the defamation case bought by
- 11:36Speaker 2: Bruce Lherman, that he may also find that, regardless of
- 11:40Speaker 2: the truth of the rape allegation, that there was no
- 11:43Speaker 2: political cover up. You know, the only political interference, I
- 11:47Speaker 2: should say, occurred sometime later when the Labor Party seized
- 11:51Speaker 2: upon this events and went for her, just savaged her
- 11:56Speaker 2: as a woman who stood by silently after another woman
- 12:01Speaker 2: had been raped.
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