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Credlin | 15 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here is what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on Credline. Well, a lot of high but
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi imagjinping today lot smiling faces. A glowing review
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Speaker 2: too from the Communist Party media mouthpiece. But anything of
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Speaker 2: substance out of today. More on that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: The nation's upcoming productivity review, Well that's what it was about.
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Speaker 2: Now it's new taxes under the table, on the table
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Speaker 2: under the guy's so called reform the actull they want
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Speaker 2: a carbon tax. Business says, you've got to actually bring
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Speaker 2: down some of these emissions targets. They're just unachievable. So
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Speaker 2: there's a clash coming the latest with the economist Adam
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Speaker 2: Crichton coming up speaking of emissions too massive blow to
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, a Spanish energy giants pulled out of a
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Speaker 2: massive offshore wind project in Victoria that pushes those targets
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Speaker 2: even further away.
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Speaker 3: So where are the liberals with the debate we've.
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Speaker 2: Got to have on net zero Pluss, it's going to
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Speaker 2: be a worry when Orcust critic Malcolm Turnbull has the
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Speaker 2: ear of Elbridge Colby, the US Defense Under Secretary Tarts
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Speaker 2: with reviewing the agreement. Turnbull was once a big fan
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Speaker 2: of the French submarine, So is that what this is about?
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Speaker 2: And of all the things you could think the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister would have raised with Jijing Hing, well, the Port
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Speaker 2: of Darwin would have been right up on the batting order,
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Speaker 2: But apparently not.
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Speaker 4: Did the President express any objection to your plans about
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Speaker 4: bringing the Port of Darwin back into Australian hands or
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Speaker 4: any potential response that China might take to that.
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Speaker 5: No, it wasn't right.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a moment. It is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to overstate, though, the significance the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: pilgrimage to communist China and this gulf that's opening up
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Speaker 2: between Australia and the United States under his government. Today,
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Speaker 2: the official and very staged meeting between the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Chinese communist leader Xijingping occurred in a lengthy and
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Speaker 2: somewhat syncophantic opening statement that was all the media had
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Speaker 2: access to before they were ushered out of the room
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Speaker 2: by Chinese officials.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister stressed that this was his.
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Speaker 2: Eighth visit to China and dwelt on how much time
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Speaker 2: he was spending in China six days as we know,
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Speaker 2: and of all the areas of quote common ground, he
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Speaker 2: talked about free and fair trade. He talked about quote
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Speaker 2: calm and consistent leadership. Calm and consistent leadership in an
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Speaker 2: obvious rebuke to the current American administration.
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Speaker 6: With joint efforts from both states, the Channel Australia relationship
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Speaker 6: has rules from the setback and turned around.
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Speaker 5: I note your comments and your opening remarks about seeking
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Speaker 5: common ground while sharing differences. That approach has indeed produced
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Speaker 5: very positive benefits for both Australia and for China. Australia
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Speaker 5: is our relationship with China and will continue to approach
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Speaker 5: it in a calm and consistent manner, guided by our
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Speaker 5: national interest, but which we regard very much as a
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Speaker 5: relationship being positive.
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Speaker 2: Now, I've been there when a Prime minister's met the
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Speaker 2: Chinese president in that very room. It's designed to intimidate,
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Speaker 2: highly choreographed and in those openly grabs which our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister knew would play out here at home with a
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Speaker 2: whole of interest and a lot of scrutiny, he deliberately
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Speaker 2: made no mention of the detained Australian academic, nor his
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Speaker 2: government's promised take back of the Chinese own port of Darwin.
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Speaker 2: No mention either of the Australian divers deliberately harmed by
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Speaker 2: the Chinese navy, nor the Chinese navy's recent drive by
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Speaker 2: shooting of the coast of New South Wales, and no
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Speaker 2: mention either of the fact that is such a trusted friend.
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Speaker 3: So trusted are they that I know the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister and his team will have left their phones and
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Speaker 2: their laptops behind on their military aircraft because that standard
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Speaker 2: security advice when you enter China. And that at the
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Speaker 2: top of all of this, we've got the world's largest
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Speaker 2: biennial military exercises taking place in Australia, Operation Talisman Saber,
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Speaker 2: some thirty thousand troops from some nineteen nations, all exercising
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Speaker 2: in northern Australia, together with ships such as the USS
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Speaker 2: America and the h MAS Prince of Wales, and all
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Speaker 2: in Australia and training in preparation for potential Chinese aggression.
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Speaker 2: When Alvineazy put this date in his diary after the
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Speaker 2: May election win, and it would not have been there
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Speaker 2: before this, It would have been programmed with the department
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Speaker 2: after he won. You can only conclude did it deliberately
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Speaker 2: knowing he would be in Beijing? By talam Talisman's saber
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Speaker 2: was happening at home? A signal perhaps to Gi that
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Speaker 2: we are not to be seen as the American ally
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Speaker 2: we once were. Be that as it may, clearly the
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Speaker 2: Chinese are very happy to use this visit and their
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Speaker 2: relationship with Albanesi to try and leave Australia away from
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Speaker 2: the United States, and it would seem that Beijing's handsome
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Speaker 2: boy is only too happy to play along. Today, the
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Speaker 2: regime's mouthpiece, The China Daily, literally gushed over Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 2: and an editorial headlined common ground prevails over differences. The
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Speaker 2: propaganda outlet so that Albanesi's visit was quote sends a
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Speaker 2: message amid the changing global landscape. It went on against
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Speaker 2: a backdrop of rising tensions between the United States and
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Speaker 2: many countries because of the US administration's recent threat to
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Speaker 2: levy higher tariffs on them. Albanesi's visit shows the Australian
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Speaker 2: side has the clearer judgment and understanding of China than
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Speaker 2: it had under the previous Scott Morrison government. The paper
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Speaker 2: stress that Albertes's visit was and I quote, a friendly
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Speaker 2: gesture to ensure the positive development of bilateral relationships. The
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Speaker 2: quote serves the common interest of the world. Okay, that's
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Speaker 2: not right, is it. I mean, if the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: really does understand the reality that a world dominated by
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Speaker 2: China would be much darker and more dangerous than the
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Speaker 2: worll we enjoy today, well he's showing zero strategic awareness
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Speaker 2: of it. In today He's Daily telegraphed The China Expert,
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Speaker 2: doctor John Lee warned that the People's Republic of China
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Speaker 2: has spent enormous efforts weaponizing some sections of the Australian
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Speaker 2: Chinese diaspora to advocate for the PRC's interests and values.
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Speaker 2: People's Republic of China, that's what PRC is, and that's
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Speaker 2: to say, it's trying to turn the local Chinese community
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Speaker 2: in Australia into a potential fifth column. Lee went on
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Speaker 2: and said this might have been politically beneficial for the
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Speaker 2: Labor government, but it creates structural problems for social cohesion
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Speaker 2: in Australian society and politics. He says that it's quite
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Speaker 2: a radical departure to have a PM more interested in
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Speaker 2: narrowing the differences with China than with the United States.
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Speaker 2: You can say that again. Now look, we know the
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Speaker 2: Almaneza governments are addicted to spending, and what we are
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Speaker 2: now learning too is they're addicted to taxing.
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Speaker 3: Here's the treasurer.
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Speaker 7: The substantial progress that we've made in repairing the budget
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Speaker 7: comes from all different categories of effort. For example, I
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Speaker 7: increased taxes in the PRRTS.
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Speaker 3: Now it's not only wealth taxes.
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Speaker 2: Is thinking of like the covering new tax on earned
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Speaker 2: income of big super accounts, because now it seems labours
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Speaker 2: toying with the reintroduction of a carbon tax. That's right,
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Speaker 2: the tax, the very tax of Julia Gillard said would
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Speaker 2: never ever happen. There will be no carbon tax under
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Speaker 2: the government high lead.
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Speaker 3: Well, that was the election campaign. She won't.
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Speaker 2: Of course she introduced one, didn't she, And more than
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Speaker 2: anything else it cost to her government. And whilst she
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Speaker 2: might be gone, not so the left's obsession. Confirmation today
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Speaker 2: that a revamped carbon tax is a key policy priority
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Speaker 2: for the ACTU in its submission to the government's upcoming
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Speaker 2: productivity sub it all, let's call it a tax summit.
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Speaker 2: The ACTU is calling for the introduction of an economy
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Speaker 2: wide carbon price, and it goes as far as to
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Speaker 2: claim that the Gillard government's economy wide carbon price was
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Speaker 2: a success. In its submission, the ACTU said that Guillard's
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Speaker 2: carbon tax or emissions for the economy grow and that
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Speaker 2: adversely impacted Australians will compensated. And the act U cited
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Speaker 2: a survey supposedly showing that some eighty six percent of
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Speaker 2: economists identified a carbon price as the most efficient way
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Speaker 2: to reach it zero. Well, never let the facts get
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Speaker 2: in the way of a good bit.
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Speaker 3: Of spin here. I'll tell you that to the ACTU, because.
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Speaker 2: The truth is the Gainland's carbon tax put up power
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Speaker 2: prices by about ten percent and that cost impost cascaded
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Speaker 2: through the entire economy. And as for being popular, well
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Speaker 2: Tony Avid whon a landslide campaigning against Labor's great big
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Speaker 2: tax on everything, and then he repealed it. But the
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Speaker 2: Left can't help themselves, can they. They never change, They
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Speaker 2: rarely listen, they rarely learn, and they always think they
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Speaker 2: know better than you. All right, let's go to camon
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Speaker 2: out for the headlines. Skye used the political reporter ribbon Spark.
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Speaker 8: The prime Minister has held a high level meeting with
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Speaker 8: President Jijingping in Beijing inside the Great Hall of the People.
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Speaker 8: The two leaders open discussions by describing the state of
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Speaker 8: the relationship. Cameras were then switched off.
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Speaker 5: We have strategic competition in the region, but we continue
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Speaker 5: to engage in order to support peace and security.
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Speaker 8: Shortly before the meeting, there was an incident between Chinese
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Speaker 8: security guards and Australian journalists.
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Speaker 9: Reporters were ordered to.
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Speaker 8: Stop filming and remain until police arrived. The group was
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Speaker 8: eventually able to board a bus and depart. The Reserve
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Speaker 8: Bank is calling for an end to debit and credit
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Speaker 8: card surcharges. A review has found the system is outdated
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Speaker 8: and no longer nudges people toward cheaper payment methods. Restaurants
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Speaker 8: and cafes worry they'll end up footing the bill, warning
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Speaker 8: prices may need to be raised.
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Speaker 10: I know how incredibly frustrating the search charges are for consumers,
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Speaker 10: and it is absolutely clear I hear it all the time.
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Speaker 10: We've also got to balance that with the need for
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Speaker 10: small businesses in particular to be able to survive.
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Speaker 8: The changes will fall within the RBA's powers, so no
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Speaker 8: legislation is needed, but the government could act if surcharges remain.
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Speaker 8: In a statement, Treasurer Jim Chalmers says the government will
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Speaker 8: weigh up the RBA's advice alongside industry feedback. A six
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Speaker 8: week consultation is underway, with a final decision due by
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Speaker 8: the year's end. Independent Nicolett Buller is vowing to defend
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Speaker 8: a legal challenge. The Liberals are launching a last minute
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Speaker 8: bid to reclaim the seat of Bradfield. It's the most
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Speaker 8: marginal electorate in Australia. Gazelle Captarian lost by twenty six votes.
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Speaker 8: It marked the first time in seventy four years the
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Speaker 8: seat has not been in Liberal hands.
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Speaker 2: We want to make sure that we have absolute confidence
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Speaker 2: that the final result is as accurate as we can
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Speaker 2: make it given our system.
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Speaker 8: If the Court of Disputed Returns cannot make a determination,
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Speaker 8: it could force a by election.
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Speaker 2: All right, plenty to get across tonight will also get
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Speaker 2: into all the entrails of what we saw today in Beijing,
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Speaker 2: but domestic issues will start there first. Joining me now,
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Speaker 2: Senior Fellow and Chief Economist at the Listory of Public Affairs,
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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton, and author and radio extraordinary at the spectator
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Speaker 2: Tarry Barnes. Look, following on from that leaked Treasure advice yesterday,
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Speaker 2: we've got the Treasure today saying that he's open to
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Speaker 2: raising or creating new taxes. And he says, I don't
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Speaker 2: believe this one cutting spending. I don't see labor cutting
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Speaker 2: spending anywhere, state or federal. But let's take him at
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Speaker 2: his word. It all comes ahead of course. So what
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Speaker 2: was a productivity roundtable coming up? But now it's very
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Speaker 2: much an event that's all about taxes. In their submission,
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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Bank wants income taxes slashed and they want
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Speaker 2: the GST overhauled. AKI, which is the Business Chamber of Commerce,
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Speaker 2: says that emissions targets are hurting, and the ACTUS just explained, well,
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Speaker 2: they want to reinstated Gillard era carbon price. Well, Adam
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Speaker 2: as I said, it's now tax reform, which is code
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Speaker 2: for tax increases unless the Treasury changes the habit of
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Speaker 2: a lifetime and labor cup spending.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Look, we've just had the fastest growth in government spending
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Speaker 9: since the Whitlam years. I think it's about twenty seven
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Speaker 9: percent of GDP. So I'm also someone sins the Whitler
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Speaker 9: mirror that's actually true.
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Speaker 3: That's not my capation. That's wow.
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Speaker 9: I think Chris Richardson's calculations actually so it is quite striking. So,
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Speaker 9: you know, a fairly pessimistic backdrop. Just on the tax front,
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Speaker 9: I mean, yes, it is basically shaping up to be
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Speaker 9: a series of tax grabs. We always we already have
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Speaker 9: the tax on unrealized games in super and you know
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Speaker 9: there could be more. They really need to get spending
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Speaker 9: under control. I mean, the NDIS is completely out of control.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I just I just checked today. The number
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Speaker 9: of participants is doubled in five years to seven hundred thousand.
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Speaker 9: That is completely unsustainable and forty eight billion.
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Speaker 2: I explained that forty eight billion perannum and rising on
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Speaker 2: a massive trajectory.
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Speaker 9: And basically will be more than our total defense spending
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Speaker 9: in just a few years. Basically on the current level,
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Speaker 9: it's growing to twelve percent every single year. Just on
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Speaker 9: the Comal Bank sumission, I mean, I think it's good
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Speaker 9: that they stressed that we need to cut personal tax
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Speaker 9: and not company tax.
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Speaker 3: I mean in Australia.
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Speaker 9: I mean it's a little bit complicated, but basically company
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Speaker 9: taxes are withholding tax, the marginal tax, rates. That really
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Speaker 9: matter are the personal income tax rates, especially that top rate,
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Speaker 9: you know, the forty nine percent rates, so forty seven
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Speaker 9: percent rate, which cuts in at a very low level internationally,
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Speaker 9: and that's you know, it's a great de terence to
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Speaker 9: starting businesses, to working more to economic growth. So I
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Speaker 9: think there needs to be a focus there. But like
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Speaker 9: I say, I'm not expecting it. And you know you
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Speaker 9: mentioned the emissions tax there the missions trating scene. We
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Speaker 9: actually kind of already have one through the safeguard mechanism
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Speaker 9: which is being legislated. It's not called that, but that's
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Speaker 9: what it is. And you know that is going to
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Speaker 9: be basically a massive tax, massive tariff on Australian exporters
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Speaker 9: when it ramps up.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into that in my name Morrison. Let's go
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Speaker 2: to some shocking statistics out today. This is a relation
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Speaker 2: to the birth rates in hospitals, and they're comparing public
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Speaker 2: hospitals terry obviously to private hospitals. Let's have a look
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Speaker 2: at some of the death rates and other horrific data
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Speaker 2: that's out today. This is between twenty sixteen and twenty nineteen. Overall,
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Speaker 2: there were nearly eight hundred more steel births or neonatal
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Speaker 2: deaths in public hospitals as opposed to the public the
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Speaker 2: private system, and I have a ten thousand additional maternal hemorrhages.
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Speaker 2: Now you've worked in health policy for a very long time,
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Speaker 2: you can't have this sort of disparity in a first
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Speaker 2: world country like Australia.
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Speaker 3: So what the heck's going on?
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Speaker 11: A lot of public systems strained beyond really capacity, has
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Speaker 11: been for a long time. I think the other thing
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Speaker 11: is that the private sector is actually much better at
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Speaker 11: delivering a full range of neonatal, birthing, post natal services,
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Speaker 11: particularly in relation to access to obstetricians, whereas in the
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Speaker 11: private sector you tend to be seen by an obstric
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Speaker 11: In the public when it comes to your pregnancy testing,
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Speaker 11: it's more often done by a nursery midwife. There is that,
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Speaker 11: But really, I think that the private sector is so
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Speaker 11: essential and the private choice is so essential that we're
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Speaker 11: dealing with situation at the moment where private maternity service
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Speaker 11: is actually closing down. I mean, if you look at
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Speaker 11: the problems that the HEALTHCOA network's been having, they're closing
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Speaker 11: down them turny wards look quicker than they're closing down.
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Speaker 3: Other operators's driving that terry.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's basically costs, cost and access to good people
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Speaker 11: that the best people do go private because they're paid better,
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Speaker 11: the working conditions are better, and it's job satisfaction is
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Speaker 11: better too, I think. But the public sector is where
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Speaker 11: most people still tend to go for their obstetrics. They're
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Speaker 11: birthing and certainly, I think those numbers and that study
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Speaker 11: over a number of years it's really alarming.
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Speaker 2: Because of what's the answer to do you just throw
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Speaker 2: more money at the system, because, I mean, we throw
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Speaker 2: so much money at health, is it landing the right places?
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Speaker 11: I don't think it is, And I think part of
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Speaker 11: the problem it goes to what we've just been talking
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Speaker 11: about with the tax I mean, it's how we spend
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Speaker 11: the money and spend it well. And if we're not
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Speaker 11: throwing if we're throwing money at the system as opposed
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Speaker 11: to targeting it, I think you're going to get outcomes
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Speaker 11: like that. So part of the problem I think is
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Speaker 11: all around the States, the quality of service provision is
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Speaker 11: relatively poor, and we take a lot for granted, and
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Speaker 11: to be fair to the people in the public system,
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Speaker 11: they do a heck of a lot on a shoestring
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Speaker 11: compared to the private sector, and this is no reflection
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Speaker 11: on the competence or the enthusiasm or the professionalism of
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Speaker 11: those people.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to some grabs we played before from Michelle
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Speaker 2: Bullock and obviously from the Intrust rather the IVA, looking
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Speaker 2: into credit card surcharges. A few things collide on this
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Speaker 2: issue with me Adam. First of all, you've got armor
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Speaker 2: Guard yesterday basically being kept afloat by a number of
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Speaker 2: businesses because we're getting out of cash even if you
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Speaker 2: can get cash. And I've gone into a couple of
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Speaker 2: a and said banks recently where you can't get cash
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Speaker 2: even if you can get it, you turn up to
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Speaker 2: pay and they won't take your cash, so you're forced
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Speaker 2: to use a card anyway, So I can understand why
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Speaker 2: people are getting cranky, but I really resent having to
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Speaker 2: pay a surcharge on a debit card because that's as transaction.
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Speaker 3: Are we going to get changed here?
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean interestingly, I actually worked in the government department.
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Speaker 9: The Reserve Bank actually came up with the rules twenty
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Speaker 9: years ago, so I know something about this, and the
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Speaker 9: original idea was to have a market signal. Some payments
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Speaker 9: are more expensive than others. And it's true the debit
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Speaker 9: cards only cost about three or four cents per transaction,
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Speaker 9: so you're regardless of the amount. But if it's a
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Speaker 9: Visa or MasterCard, it's a percentage of the transaction, so
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Speaker 9: it's much more expensive for the merchant for the business
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Speaker 9: they have.
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Speaker 2: To And I'm okay with that being passed on to
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Speaker 2: me because I don't want a small business paying for it.
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Speaker 2: But I really resent if I'm trying to use cash,
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Speaker 2: which your debit card is, I cop it no.
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Speaker 9: And certainly, and some businesses are actually charging the same
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Speaker 9: fee for the Visa and MasterCard as they are for
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Speaker 9: the debit card, which is very sneaky and that should
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Speaker 9: not be allowed. So I think the Reserve Bank would
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Speaker 9: be right to ban those fees for debit cards. But
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Speaker 9: I'm a little bit more uncertain about the credit cards
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Speaker 9: because there is a cost there, and basically that's going
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Speaker 9: to mean that people who use debit cards are basically
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Speaker 9: going to be subsidizing people who use credit cards and
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Speaker 9: also people who use cash. And the whole cash issue
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Speaker 9: is another interesting thing because the usage has fallen massively
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Speaker 9: and look, you know, we all tap, we all use cards.
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Speaker 9: But I'm a little bit suspicious of a world with
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Speaker 9: no cash, which I think is where the result I
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Speaker 9: would like to know would like to go. Because the
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Speaker 9: government knows absolutely everything about everything you do.
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Speaker 3: So that's the world we're headed to.
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Speaker 9: So we have to be worried about when we see
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Speaker 9: stories about armor guard going broke, because that's because people
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Speaker 9: aren't using cash.
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Speaker 11: But I think the other side of it is that
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Speaker 11: when it comes to businesses that charge the surcharge because
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Speaker 11: they're supposed the search charge is supposed to be there
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Speaker 11: if there is a cash alternative. But if you go
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Speaker 11: to try to book a ticket with an airline, for instance,
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Speaker 11: the only way to pay for it is by your
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Speaker 11: credit card, they still charge your search charge because you
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Speaker 11: could technically go to their office and keep them the money.
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Speaker 3: Out of the cap.
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Speaker 11: That's the sort of rout that needs to be dealt
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Speaker 11: with here.
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Speaker 9: And those charges are much greater than the actual fees
19:57
Speaker 9: that the bank's charge. Connus say, because I think form memory,
19:59
Speaker 9: they charge about two percent quarrise charges the customer, but
20:02
Speaker 9: the real thing is about point six percent.
20:03
Speaker 3: I remember.
20:04
Speaker 2: Aha, Well that's what the RBA should fix. Yes, bring
20:07
Speaker 2: up your old boss spick your mind just quickly. Mooney
20:12
Speaker 2: Ponds are stabbing. This is happening all the time in Melbourne.
20:17
Speaker 2: The man though, when he was held on the ground
20:20
Speaker 2: and his citizens arrest, yelled out Allah akbar. And there
20:22
Speaker 2: were some comments made by the police today. Let's have
20:24
Speaker 2: a listen.
20:31
Speaker 12: We have contacted the counter Terrorism Command and we have
20:35
Speaker 12: nothing to indicate that this is.
20:37
Speaker 13: Either religiously or politically motivated.
20:42
Speaker 3: So we really don't know.
20:43
Speaker 2: They're saying it's not a terror event, although that language
20:46
Speaker 2: would make people think and worry that it is. But
20:49
Speaker 2: whatever it is, this is daytime Melbourne, terry.
20:53
Speaker 11: Melbourne sort of becoming the Bronx, isn't it. And certainly
20:56
Speaker 11: Mooney Ponds, I mean, I don't forget there were actually
20:59
Speaker 11: two incidents, two knife incidents in many pronks today, both
21:02
Speaker 11: involving citizens arrest, and I think full credit goes to
21:05
Speaker 11: those two men. But certainly, you know, he shouted that,
21:10
Speaker 11: he called it out. I think you can't just dismiss
21:13
Speaker 11: it until you've actually done some investigating, So I think
21:15
Speaker 11: the Victorian police need to actually sort of just hold
21:19
Speaker 11: their horses and actually ask the questions. But in terms
21:22
Speaker 11: of the fact that knives are on the streets in
21:24
Speaker 11: terms of other dangerous repons on the streets, machetes and
21:26
Speaker 11: so on. I think that's something that we do have
21:29
Speaker 11: a major problem. Part of it, I hate to say
21:33
Speaker 11: it is ethnic related, but certainly the fact that too
21:37
Speaker 11: many people are resorting to violence and knives, machetes, guns,
21:42
Speaker 11: even there's something wrong with our society. I think it's
21:46
Speaker 11: not the society I grew up in fifty odd years ago.
21:50
Speaker 3: You're not wrong. We'll over it there, Thank you, gentlemen.
21:52
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the PM's trip to China and
21:54
Speaker 2: the face to face today was GIP joined them in
21:55
Speaker 2: our strategic analysis, as straighted Director Michael Shuebridge. Well, a
22:00
Speaker 2: very interesting pause. We didn't have a press conference with
22:03
Speaker 2: the president and our Prime minister. Our PM held one afterwards,
22:07
Speaker 2: which is the usual protocol, and it was pushed pretty hard.
22:11
Speaker 2: Michael and those live fire exercises earlier this year. Here's
22:14
Speaker 2: what he said.
22:15
Speaker 5: I said what I said at the time, which was
22:17
Speaker 5: that it was within international law. There was no breach
22:21
Speaker 5: of international law by China, but that we were concerned
22:29
Speaker 5: about the notice and the way that it happened, including
22:33
Speaker 5: the live fire exercises, is.
22:37
Speaker 3: This really good enough, Michael.
22:40
Speaker 14: Boy if that's as strong as he is in a
22:43
Speaker 14: press conference with critical Australian journalists, how watery was he
22:47
Speaker 14: face to face with shijingping this line that he trotted
22:52
Speaker 14: out at the time, if you remember was the problem
22:56
Speaker 14: was there just wasn't enough notice. The Chinese gave no notice.
23:00
Speaker 14: They're dangerous live firing under civilian airline flight paths. It
23:04
Speaker 14: was a virgin pilot that found out about it, and
23:07
Speaker 14: airliners had to divert for the safety of their passengers,
23:11
Speaker 14: and it was deliberate military provocation and intimidation by China.
23:16
Speaker 14: The Prime Minister at the time said this is all
23:19
Speaker 14: lawful and perfectly normal, and he's done the same and
23:22
Speaker 14: he's face to face with she it is. It's an
23:26
Speaker 14: embarrassment and it shows the Prime Minister values his stabilization
23:30
Speaker 14: fiction more than the safety of airline passengers.
23:36
Speaker 2: And correct me if I'm wrong with At the time,
23:37
Speaker 2: of course, we had to deploy the New Zealand Navy.
23:40
Speaker 2: God help us if all we've got is in New
23:41
Speaker 2: Zealand Navy in the event of a conflict, because we
23:44
Speaker 2: had no available ships anywhere in the vicinity. I mean,
23:49
Speaker 2: this goes to the point you made there about this
23:51
Speaker 2: sort of facade of the relationship that everything is put
23:56
Speaker 2: into this fiction of stabilization, no stabilization with China. They'll
24:02
Speaker 2: play the game as long as they want to, They'll
24:04
Speaker 2: trade with us as long as they want to, until
24:07
Speaker 2: they don't. The issue of the Port of Darwen that
24:11
Speaker 2: also came up.
24:12
Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
24:14
Speaker 4: Did the President express any objection to your plans about
24:17
Speaker 4: bringing the Port of Darwin back into Australian hands or
24:20
Speaker 4: any potential response that China might take to that.
24:23
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't raise.
24:24
Speaker 13: You didn't use the opportunity meeting him to explain your
24:28
Speaker 13: policy on that. I don't need to.
24:30
Speaker 5: I've had the same position for a decade since the
24:34
Speaker 5: Liberal government chose to provide an incentive to the liberal
24:38
Speaker 5: federal government chose to give an incentive to the Northern
24:42
Speaker 5: Territory Liberal government to flog off an asset.
24:46
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, those comments are pretty political there,
24:48
Speaker 2: you know liberal this liberal that that's not the protocol.
24:50
Speaker 2: But we might as well sent a wind up doll
24:53
Speaker 2: to that meeting. If he hasn't raised human rights issues,
24:56
Speaker 2: if he hasn't raised how our military has been treated
24:59
Speaker 2: if he hasn't raised international incursions by warships and li
25:03
Speaker 2: fire rounds and the port of Darwin, I mean, need.
25:06
Speaker 5: I go on?
25:08
Speaker 14: Well, I saw that he raised the case of the
25:11
Speaker 14: illegally detained yanghen Jun, the Australian citizens still in Chinese custody.
25:16
Speaker 14: But he was quick to say and of course I
25:19
Speaker 14: don't expect any results, any quick results. So even when
25:22
Speaker 14: he raises something, he gives she an exit door and
25:26
Speaker 14: a free pass. This is not the kind of direct
25:30
Speaker 14: leader to leader conversations that are advancing our interests. This
25:34
Speaker 14: is mister Albanezi seeing the political value here of his
25:39
Speaker 14: contrast of saying I'm the guy that's stabilized the relationship
25:43
Speaker 14: with China in contrast with my domestic political foes. This
25:47
Speaker 14: is not the act of a national leader dealing with
25:50
Speaker 14: national security issues.
25:54
Speaker 2: Now, you and I and Peter Jennings and people that
25:57
Speaker 2: have worked in this space before and intersected with government
26:01
Speaker 2: defense and intelligence, we know where this is headed.
26:04
Speaker 3: She has made it.
26:05
Speaker 2: Absolutely crystal clear what's on his medium to short term agenda.
26:11
Speaker 2: And I listened to a very interesting interview today with
26:14
Speaker 2: our own Chong Lay and a Chinese writer Wu On
26:18
Speaker 2: shen Wen. He was on sky and he warned, he
26:23
Speaker 2: warned very clearly where this is headed.
26:27
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
26:29
Speaker 1: Since Sinpin came to power, he has said at least
26:34
Speaker 1: fifty times that we must prepare for war.
26:40
Speaker 3: And it's not a lie.
26:41
Speaker 1: I think the war probably will belong sooner than we think,
26:47
Speaker 1: than we thought, and I think we have to act now,
26:52
Speaker 1: to act now, to prepare for this for the coming war,
26:56
Speaker 1: and it will be much bigger than the Yukin war
27:01
Speaker 1: and much dangerous than that.
27:05
Speaker 2: Not just the government here, Michael, but do you think
27:07
Speaker 2: ordinary Australians really understand how dangerous things.
27:11
Speaker 3: Are at the moment?
27:14
Speaker 14: No, I don't know how could they when our Prime minister,
27:17
Speaker 14: our Foreign minister, and our defense minister aren't telling them.
27:21
Speaker 6: So.
27:22
Speaker 14: Penny Wang, in her Asian speech, which apparently was clear
27:26
Speaker 14: right about the threat from China, said we need transparency
27:31
Speaker 14: about why they're building this big military and why they're
27:33
Speaker 14: getting nuclear weapons. We've got way too much transparency. As
27:37
Speaker 14: we just heard, Shijingping has instructed the Chinese military to
27:41
Speaker 14: be prepared to fight a war at a moment's notice,
27:44
Speaker 14: with their first priority being conquering Taiwan. And that's exactly
27:48
Speaker 14: what the Chinese military is preparing to do. You can
27:51
Speaker 14: see it. So we've got all the transparency we need,
27:54
Speaker 14: but we've got the key government leaders not telling the
27:58
Speaker 14: Australian people what we actually know and are seeing.
28:05
Speaker 2: Just still on August, but a little bit of a
28:08
Speaker 2: turn across the Pacific. The Australian The Soufternoon reported that
28:12
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull no fan of August as we know, in
28:15
Speaker 2: one of the French submarines and is still pushing the
28:18
Speaker 2: French submarines. It's been revealed that he's had a meeting
28:22
Speaker 2: and discussed Aucust in detail with the Bent took on
28:26
Speaker 2: policy chief, the Under Secretary of Defense Elbridge Colby.
28:31
Speaker 3: Now Colby is doing a.
28:33
Speaker 2: Review into August as we know, it's understood the report
28:38
Speaker 2: say that they've engaged on issues for more than three years.
28:41
Speaker 3: But he's a critic. What do you make of this?
28:46
Speaker 14: Well, I think Malcolm Turnbull's views are so well known
28:51
Speaker 14: and they're so tied to what he was doing when
28:54
Speaker 14: he was Prime Minister, I'm not sure they'll have a
28:56
Speaker 14: whole lot of weight in the Pentagon. It's very clear
29:00
Speaker 14: that mister Turnbull would have loved the French program that
29:03
Speaker 14: he helped negotiate to proceed, and he'd still like it
29:06
Speaker 14: to happen again now. But really, because his position is
29:11
Speaker 14: so fixed and known, I'm not sure it'll be a
29:15
Speaker 14: big influence on the Colby review.
29:19
Speaker 2: Yes, I imagine he called Colby more than Colby called him.
29:23
Speaker 2: But we'll see what Malcolm tells us in the future.
29:25
Speaker 2: Michael Subrich, thank you. After the brag Union's call for
29:28
Speaker 2: a new carbon tax, business say we've got to push
29:31
Speaker 2: back on these unrealistic emissions targets, plus a massive blow
29:36
Speaker 2: for poor old Chris Bowen and Victoria's offshore wind could
29:39
Speaker 2: put pulled out by the Spanish. Tell me if we've
29:42
Speaker 2: got any of these offshore wind miss strout monstrosities going ahead,
29:52
Speaker 2: welcome back. Still to come the loving battle between the
29:54
Speaker 2: States and the Feds of the E. V. Levy Still
29:57
Speaker 2: the calm poor old car drivers hit yet again the
30:00
Speaker 2: first The ACTU is pushing for a return of a
30:03
Speaker 2: Gillard era style carbon price and the hope it will
30:06
Speaker 2: reduce the cost of Australians meeting its climate goals. However,
30:10
Speaker 2: other groups are pushing in the opposite direction. The Australian
30:14
Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce and industry. Well, they want to see
30:16
Speaker 2: the government actually lower some of these climate targets to
30:19
Speaker 2: be more realistic, warning that a target for twenty thirty
30:23
Speaker 2: five of some sixty five percent and has certainly been
30:26
Speaker 2: mooted is unachievable. JOTA be noown to discuss this and more.
30:31
Speaker 2: The Center for Independent Studies Director of Energy Research Aid.
30:35
Speaker 3: Morrison, Well, Laden, thank you for your time.
30:38
Speaker 2: We've got actually here saying these targets are over ambitious, unachievable,
30:43
Speaker 2: sending business out the back door. At the same time,
30:46
Speaker 2: you've got the unions over here saying they're working, they're fabulous,
30:49
Speaker 2: and we need a carbon tax on top of it.
30:52
Speaker 2: I mean, they're completely at odds. This spells trouble in
30:56
Speaker 2: policy terms, doesn't it.
31:00
Speaker 15: I think it does. But it's worth pointing out that
31:02
Speaker 15: if it wasn't to be on top of what we
31:04
Speaker 15: currently have, a carbon tax would be a better, much
31:07
Speaker 15: more adult way of seeking to reduce our emissions. There's
31:10
Speaker 15: just simply nothing worse than where we currently are with
31:13
Speaker 15: having a whole bunch of different layers of government being
31:15
Speaker 15: able to mandate exactly how much of which particular technology
31:19
Speaker 15: has to be reached in every state at whatever cost,
31:23
Speaker 15: because it allows the government to basically deny there is
31:26
Speaker 15: any cost and keep perpetuating this falseome childish narrative that
31:29
Speaker 15: actually reducing our carbon emissions is somehow helping drive down
31:33
Speaker 15: consumer costs and help us with our cost of living,
31:35
Speaker 15: and there's even an economic opportunity. The reality is that
31:38
Speaker 15: it costs something, and a carbon tax, of flat carbon
31:41
Speaker 15: tax across the whole industry would be the more grown
31:43
Speaker 15: up way of making that cost clear and letting the
31:47
Speaker 15: market figure out the most efficient way. But now we're
31:49
Speaker 15: letting every state government play all their games pretend there's
31:53
Speaker 15: no costs while having whatever it takes subsidies to sort
31:56
Speaker 15: of hide and push any particular energy agenda they seek
32:00
Speaker 15: to achieve in their own jurisdictions.
32:04
Speaker 2: So this is the economists answer about tax efficiency, and
32:09
Speaker 2: this is exactly why we got the GST when we did,
32:11
Speaker 2: and all the states then were promiseddated and if you
32:14
Speaker 2: remember that they would, as a result of the revenue
32:16
Speaker 2: from the GST remove all their ancillary taxes, they never have.
32:21
Speaker 3: They never have.
32:21
Speaker 2: So even if we were to take you at the
32:23
Speaker 2: word and the other economists as well, and went with
32:26
Speaker 2: a so called efficient carbon price, tax, We wouldn't get
32:29
Speaker 2: the situation where everything else would go. We wouldn't get
32:31
Speaker 2: the situation where all the subsidies would disappear, because industry
32:35
Speaker 2: has built a whole business model on this stuff, and
32:39
Speaker 2: it's all predicated. The foundation of this is net zero.
32:42
Speaker 2: If we weren't pumping for net zero by twenty fifty,
32:45
Speaker 2: we wouldn't need to do all of this economic harm.
32:49
Speaker 2: So where are the liberals about driving a Fedingham debate
32:53
Speaker 2: in this country about net zero, because it's the debate
32:56
Speaker 2: that's overseas just not happening here.
33:00
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it's essential they take the bill by
33:02
Speaker 15: the horns and have that question asked. And you're quite right.
33:05
Speaker 15: As soon as the cost is transparent, you find it
33:07
Speaker 15: very hard to justify the kinds of measures that are
33:10
Speaker 15: being taken to pursue net zero. And also, ultimately, I
33:13
Speaker 15: think there is just now no credible path that is
33:16
Speaker 15: open to reaching net zero because it always sort of
33:19
Speaker 15: had three components. The first was get your electricity to
33:22
Speaker 15: be zero, make that really clean, and then you go
33:24
Speaker 15: into double or triple the amount of electricity to electrify everything,
33:27
Speaker 15: and then you're going to have even more electricity to
33:29
Speaker 15: use hydrogen for those last hard to abate things. But
33:32
Speaker 15: now we know for sure that renewable electricity is actually
33:35
Speaker 15: very expensive. Electricity electrifying everything, let alone hydrogen looks absolutely
33:41
Speaker 15: absurd from an economic perspective. So the current path to
33:44
Speaker 15: net zero is really intellectually quite dead. There's no point
33:48
Speaker 15: pursuing this if you want to actually have a serious
33:51
Speaker 15: discussion about the cost, because the costs from where we
33:54
Speaker 15: currently stand look plainly horrendous. So I think net zero
33:58
Speaker 15: needs to be discussed with a very clear eye view
34:00
Speaker 15: of that.
34:03
Speaker 2: Well, I look forward at the time the Liberals will
34:05
Speaker 2: stop reviewing themselves to death and actually get onto something
34:07
Speaker 2: like this issue.
34:09
Speaker 3: I will wait for that one. I'll tell you what.
34:10
Speaker 2: We'll get right into it when they do. The Spanish
34:14
Speaker 2: mob blue float energy. They've walked away from the Victorian
34:18
Speaker 2: offshore wind project. We've had them fail as you know,
34:21
Speaker 2: on the New South Wales south coast and elsewhere. I mean,
34:25
Speaker 2: have we got any of these offshore projects going up?
34:28
Speaker 2: And what SYS do to all those claims from Chris
34:30
Speaker 2: Bowen that people like them, that they were being supported
34:33
Speaker 2: and that they made sort of economic sense, because they
34:35
Speaker 2: don't look like they do.
34:38
Speaker 13: It's exactly right.
34:39
Speaker 15: No, there are no projects that will go ahead for
34:41
Speaker 15: offshore win. I don't think there's a chance. Unless the
34:44
Speaker 15: government just pulls out all stops and offers to pay
34:46
Speaker 15: obscene subsidies, none of it will. The fact is this
34:50
Speaker 15: pipeline that's been talked up so much of a whole
34:52
Speaker 15: bunch of different companies coming up to sort of want
34:55
Speaker 15: to be on this type of work. They've been paid
34:57
Speaker 15: from the get go to do all their feasibility study
35:00
Speaker 15: and really it's just a whole bunch of vaporware. It's
35:03
Speaker 15: very cheap to have a purely paper project and say
35:05
Speaker 15: you're looking at it and considering it, particularly when the
35:07
Speaker 15: government is actually paying for some of the costs of
35:09
Speaker 15: doing those feasibility studies in the first place, which is
35:12
Speaker 15: what various governments do. They actually support and subsidize the
35:16
Speaker 15: business development case. But the economics of offshore wind has
35:19
Speaker 15: never stacked up anywhere in Australia and it won't. So
35:23
Speaker 15: unless the government wants to double and triple the level
35:25
Speaker 15: of subsidies they provide to these projects, none of them
35:28
Speaker 15: will go ahead.
35:31
Speaker 3: And we want to know.
35:32
Speaker 2: While we've got trouble in maternity boards, in public hospitals
35:35
Speaker 2: because this is where the money is going, and this
35:37
Speaker 2: is where the money is going.
35:38
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.
35:40
Speaker 2: Now, after the break, the government wants to slug an
35:42
Speaker 2: ev driver for more and more and more. The states
35:45
Speaker 2: want a piece of the pie as well. And what's
35:48
Speaker 2: led to that four hundred percent increase in car thefts?
35:52
Speaker 2: I've got the answer after the break. Now, what's the
35:59
Speaker 2: government up to. It's not stopping a rogue activist out
36:02
Speaker 2: there targeting children?
36:04
Speaker 4: Why not?
36:05
Speaker 2: And this pushed by the New South aust Liberals to
36:07
Speaker 2: challenge the May election result in the seat of Bradfield.
36:10
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment, but first to
36:12
Speaker 2: yet another new tax that the Treasurer is said to
36:15
Speaker 2: be working on. It's a new national road user charge
36:19
Speaker 2: based on distance for those who drive an electric vehicle.
36:24
Speaker 2: And before we get any further along, we've also got Victoria,
36:27
Speaker 2: New South Wales demanding that they get a slice at
36:30
Speaker 2: the revenue. And this follows the twenty twenty three High
36:33
Speaker 2: Court case which was struck down the allowance or the
36:37
Speaker 2: ability of Victoria to charge its state based ev levy.
36:42
Speaker 2: To talk us through what's happening here and more motoring
36:44
Speaker 2: expert Paul Gover, Well, never mind, this is just.
36:48
Speaker 3: Another tax hit for motorists.
36:50
Speaker 2: But I mean this really sets up a revenue fight, Paul,
36:53
Speaker 2: with the states.
36:54
Speaker 3: So talk us through what's happening here.
36:56
Speaker 2: Now, I'm all for UV guys paying something for ev
37:00
Speaker 2: I was paying something because we know their cars are
37:03
Speaker 2: so much heavier and are damaging the road.
37:07
Speaker 3: Well, what are we likely to get.
37:10
Speaker 16: What we're likely to get, Peter, is a replacement for
37:14
Speaker 16: the tax on fuel. So what's happened is very poor
37:19
Speaker 16: planning by the governments, state and federal, and they're suddenly
37:23
Speaker 16: going for a cash grab. What they're doing is they
37:26
Speaker 16: realize that excise is going to fall over time. They've
37:30
Speaker 16: done no planning, so they're now trying to shuffle around
37:33
Speaker 16: and do the policy that they should have had when
37:36
Speaker 16: electric cars first arrived. What they're seeing is their share
37:41
Speaker 16: of the excise will fall over time the amount of money,
37:45
Speaker 16: so they're looking to top that up. And of course
37:47
Speaker 16: the state governments at the same time are now making
37:49
Speaker 16: their own cash grab, saying, well, hang on, we're supposed
37:52
Speaker 16: to get money from the Feds to fix our roads.
37:55
Speaker 16: What are you going to give us? So there's a
37:57
Speaker 16: whole lot of people right now in government at various
38:00
Speaker 16: level with their hands out, but no clear policy described
38:05
Speaker 16: yet on how much the charge might be, how will
38:08
Speaker 16: be applied, how are they even going to measure it?
38:10
Speaker 16: I mean they're going to run into a situation where
38:13
Speaker 16: people will either have to run a logbook for an
38:15
Speaker 16: electric car, or they're going to have to invade privacy
38:19
Speaker 16: by tracking where cars go minute by minute so that
38:22
Speaker 16: you can give them a kilometer based bill for their
38:25
Speaker 16: running on the road.
38:29
Speaker 2: I am shocked given how long evs have been facale
38:32
Speaker 2: in Australia, hybrids for what twelve to fifteen years for
38:36
Speaker 2: the electric for at least ten years, that no one
38:40
Speaker 2: in Canberra's got their head around how on earth we
38:43
Speaker 2: have equity in this system? Because right now it's people
38:46
Speaker 2: like me who drive diesel or petrol vehicles who are
38:49
Speaker 2: paying a charge for our roads and the EV people who.
38:53
Speaker 3: Are not playing a cent.
38:54
Speaker 2: Why so long before they work this stuff out, blind
38:57
Speaker 2: Freddie going to tell them that was coming, they would
38:59
Speaker 2: see a fall away revenue.
39:02
Speaker 16: Well, somebody's been asleep at the wheel, pardon the pun.
39:06
Speaker 16: And it's not just ten years. You've got to remember
39:08
Speaker 16: hybrids have been around since nineteen ninety. The electricification has
39:12
Speaker 16: been going on for that long. And the fact is
39:15
Speaker 16: that there was a court case that was decided in
39:18
Speaker 16: twenty twenty three, so two years ago. Did that not
39:22
Speaker 16: ring an arm bell somewhere that this was going on
39:25
Speaker 16: at that time?
39:26
Speaker 5: Though?
39:27
Speaker 16: What government state governments in particular, we're doing was giving
39:30
Speaker 16: incentives to buy electric cars because they wanted more people
39:33
Speaker 16: to fit their agenda without realizing, oh, we're not going
39:36
Speaker 16: to get any We're not going to get any excise
39:38
Speaker 16: once these cars are not running.
39:40
Speaker 2: Fuel crazy crazy, and this is why I've got potholes
39:44
Speaker 2: everywhere in our roads. Hey, this cheap security busting device,
39:49
Speaker 2: I'm told this is why we've got some four hundred
39:52
Speaker 2: percent increase in the theft of some of the major
39:55
Speaker 2: car makes.
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Speaker 3: Tell us how this works because it.
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Speaker 2: Essentially allowed than to on unlock our cars without a
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Speaker 2: key and start them within seconds.
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Speaker 3: I'm told, Paul, is that right.
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Speaker 16: Unlocking them is a little bit more problematic. But the
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Speaker 16: thing about it is, in the old days, you would
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Speaker 16: take your current of the dealership to be serviced. The
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Speaker 16: first thing they did was open the bonnet to look
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Speaker 16: at the bits that make the car go these days,
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Speaker 16: what they do is they plug into port under the
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Speaker 16: dashboard called an obdport, which is the onboard diagnostic So
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Speaker 16: the first thing they do now is they plug a
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Speaker 16: cable from a diagnostic device in the dealership into the car,
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Speaker 16: and the car tells it what's wrong or if.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong.
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Speaker 16: What thieves have realized is that if you get access
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Speaker 16: to this obdport, which is under the dash in most cars,
40:46
Speaker 16: it's not hidden, you can then reprogram stuff and take
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Speaker 16: the car. I'm hearing more and more of this, lots
40:53
Speaker 16: of emails coming in from people, and so what's happened
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Speaker 16: is the thieves have worked out this out. There are
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Speaker 16: now companies selling OBD locks, So it's a piece that
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Speaker 16: you can put across the front of.
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Speaker 2: The You've still you've still got to break into the car.
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Speaker 2: Ended we smash a window or something and then plug
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Speaker 2: in this device.
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Speaker 3: That how it works, yes, yeah, yeah yeah.
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Speaker 16: But the other thing that that's also part of this
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Speaker 16: is that people the electronic keys in cars now are
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Speaker 16: pretty pretty hard to beat. So that's why we're also
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Speaker 16: getting a lot more crime where thieves break into houses
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Speaker 16: and steal car keys. That's still the easiest way to
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Speaker 16: steal a car. But if you're out on the street
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Speaker 16: and you're doing it. So if you've parked your car
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Speaker 16: for a business meeting somewhere, break the window, get in
41:42
Speaker 16: through the OBED report and away you go.
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Speaker 2: And just quickly before I go, you're saying that there
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Speaker 2: are now devices to be able to lock this port up.
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Speaker 2: Is that what people should be doing? Contact their dealers
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Speaker 2: and ask how can they lock this off?
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Speaker 16: Yes, exactly correct, And a lot of dealers are not
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Speaker 16: aware of this sort of stuff. Unfortunately, Googles your best
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Speaker 16: friend in terms of getting an OBD lock, but they
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Speaker 16: are getting more and more common and more and more
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Speaker 16: people are using them.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: When I put the story up on the front of
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Speaker 2: the Sky News website, if you're at home and you
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Speaker 2: want more information and your car make was one of
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Speaker 2: those we just popped on the screen, go there and
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Speaker 2: you'll get more information.
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Speaker 3: Paul, You're amazing, Thank you. As always.
42:22
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the Bradfield election saga rolls on
42:26
Speaker 2: it on our go to the High Court. Class experts
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Speaker 2: are pleading for action over the explosion of AI generated
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Speaker 2: child abuse material. That's next, all right, let's bring them
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Speaker 2: a panel straight away, Queensland Senator James McGrath and the
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Speaker 2: Liberal member for Barker in South Australia, Tony Passon.
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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, welcome. Let's go first to.
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Speaker 2: The climate activist group called Rising Tide, reportedly recruiting young
42:53
Speaker 2: people through what it calls its Youth Rising Wing. Now
42:56
Speaker 2: these guys are asking for details about what school the
42:59
Speaker 2: kids tend, what their social media handles are, and it's
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Speaker 2: prompting a fair amount of concern about data collection and
43:07
Speaker 2: safeguards for children. I mean, Tony first to you, why
43:10
Speaker 2: is the Albinezy government talks a big game on social media,
43:13
Speaker 2: but why is it turning a blind eye to all
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Speaker 2: these radical activists targeting our kids.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it's Peter.
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Speaker 12: It's the same sort of hypocrisy which means that when
43:23
Speaker 12: a large scale renewables project is confronted with the environmental
43:27
Speaker 12: laws of the country, you can just wipe them away.
43:31
Speaker 12: Here we've got a labor government that is looking for
43:35
Speaker 12: the next generation of activists, and so when it comes
43:38
Speaker 12: to the sensitive collection of young people's information, you think
43:43
Speaker 12: it'd be shouted down, not in the interests of the children,
43:46
Speaker 12: but yet quite quite murmuring about concern. Just imagine for
43:53
Speaker 12: one moment if this was Advance or the Liberal Party or.
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Speaker 13: A right wing knuckle dragon like me. I mean, they'd
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Speaker 13: be outrage and there should be because this is private, personal,
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Speaker 13: sensitive information of children and there is no role, no
44:11
Speaker 13: role for organizations like Rising Time to get access to that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wrong, You're not wrong, James. You're a
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Speaker 2: campaigner as we know, special Minister of State or shadow
44:22
Speaker 2: special Minister of State. Talk us through what's happening here
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Speaker 2: in the seat of Bradfield. The Libs are going to
44:26
Speaker 2: obviously lodge an appeal or seek the Court of Disputed Returns,
44:31
Speaker 2: which is what it sits at the High Court.
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Speaker 3: When it hears matters like this.
44:36
Speaker 2: Initially Gizelle capt Terran one, then it was eventually given
44:41
Speaker 2: to nicol Ed Bowley.
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Speaker 3: What's likely to happen here?
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Speaker 6: So what's going to happen is there about eight hundred
44:49
Speaker 6: votes that the Liberal Party are going to ask the
44:52
Speaker 6: Court of Disputed Returns to rule on. In particular, there's
44:57
Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy votes that originally were to declared
45:00
Speaker 6: to be formal and then when the recount happened, they
45:03
Speaker 6: were declared to be informal those votes did favor that
45:08
Speaker 6: the Liberal Party. So what you Sell wants is effectively
45:11
Speaker 6: just wants a video call. What wants the video ref
45:15
Speaker 6: to make a call on these eight hundred ballots. There
45:18
Speaker 6: won't be a by election, but it's a determination of
45:21
Speaker 6: the ballots and making sure that the will of the
45:25
Speaker 6: voters is correctly recorded on these ballot papers and that
45:29
Speaker 6: the final decision in Bradfield is upheld or overturned, and
45:34
Speaker 6: certain ballot papers may be struck out, and then you
45:37
Speaker 6: Sell could then be returned as the member.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly. How long is it likely to take?
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Speaker 6: Normally the High Court takes some time. You would expect
45:50
Speaker 6: it to be done before the end of the year
45:52
Speaker 6: at the absolute latest. That the court sitting as the
45:56
Speaker 6: Court of dispirit returns, knows that these matters need to
45:59
Speaker 6: be done in a timely fashion, So you think it
46:02
Speaker 6: would get done within a couple of months at the
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Speaker 6: absolute most. Otherwise questions can start to be.
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Speaker 3: Asked, all right, just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I could not go past that story today from the
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Speaker 2: China expert doctor John Lee, who has picked up the
46:20
Speaker 2: influencing of the Communist Party with Australian voters. He's warned
46:25
Speaker 2: this is happening. We certainly saw evidence of it happening
46:28
Speaker 2: in Canada. It's favoring labor and it feels to me like,
46:34
Speaker 2: if everything's right and everything's above board, Albanez has gone
46:37
Speaker 2: across to Beijing is a bit of a Manchurian candidate
46:39
Speaker 2: to thank his masters for helping him get over the
46:43
Speaker 2: line in a few key seats where we've got a
46:44
Speaker 2: high proportion of Chinese linked or ethnic Chinese voters. Now,
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Speaker 2: if this is correct in any way, shape or form, James,
46:53
Speaker 2: how on earth do we guard against it happening in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Again, we need to.
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Speaker 6: Make sure that Australian Electoral Commission are properly questioned in
47:02
Speaker 6: terms of any issues they may have experience during the
47:05
Speaker 6: recent federal election. There's also a body called the Election
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Speaker 6: Assurance Task Force that is normally questioned by the Joint
47:11
Speaker 6: Standing Committee on Electoral Matters. So both need to be
47:14
Speaker 6: asked about these specific issues. But it is also up
47:18
Speaker 6: to the government to come forward to say if they
47:20
Speaker 6: are aware or have been advised by any other acronyms,
47:25
Speaker 6: any other security agencies that in the public interest. And
47:29
Speaker 6: this is very important that in the public interests. They
47:32
Speaker 6: are aware of interference in our elections now there was
47:35
Speaker 6: no known interference in the twenty twenty two federal election,
47:41
Speaker 6: and it's very important that the relevant bodies are held
47:44
Speaker 6: accountable to Parliament over the coming weeks and months if
47:48
Speaker 6: they are aware of any such interference, because we need
47:51
Speaker 6: to protect Australia's democracy. Too many men and women have
47:55
Speaker 6: died to help build this country that it is today.
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Speaker 2: Tony passon a few things at a grab bag of
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Speaker 2: child protection. We've got AI so kids being exploited online
48:08
Speaker 2: and AI as a tool to have that happen. There's
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Speaker 2: supposedly a meeting on Thursday. There's not much national regulation.
48:15
Speaker 2: We've got huge issues with these working with children checks.
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Speaker 3: They're done at the state level.
48:21
Speaker 2: That really needs to be a national alliance of all
48:24
Speaker 2: of this inconsistency. And Henny Johnson's come out today child
48:27
Speaker 2: safety advocate and says that the privacy laws are working
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Speaker 2: against parents in her home state of Queen's line.
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Speaker 3: What the heck's going on?
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Speaker 13: Well, there's a lack of leadership federally, Peter.
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Speaker 12: You just mentioned a number of examples where there needs
48:42
Speaker 12: to be better leadership across the nation. What we've got
48:46
Speaker 12: is a grab bag of state based registers which are
48:49
Speaker 12: dysfunctional and disjointed. It might come as a surprise to
48:54
Speaker 12: your viewers that we don't have a federal national sex
48:58
Speaker 12: offender register.
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Speaker 13: Think that that'd be the first order of business, but
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Speaker 13: we don't have one.
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Speaker 12: And then they'll be doubly surprised to learn that when
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Speaker 12: the coalition called for that during the last federal election campaign,
49:11
Speaker 12: I didn't hear any support for that from labor. You
49:17
Speaker 12: think that's something that just would automatically bring parties of
49:22
Speaker 12: government to a bipartisan position what we need right now?
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to leave it there, so I've
49:30
Speaker 2: not given you enough time to respond, probably, but I
49:32
Speaker 2: know you'll raise it. We'll talk again next week, but
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Speaker 2: I know you raise it when camera it resumes. I
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Speaker 2: think that's next Tuesday. Thank you, Tony Passon. Apologies there
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Speaker 2: up next Volt