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The Wolfman’s Got Nards (Again): The Howling (1981) – Xenomania 38 · Xenomania

• 0:15
  Ryan: Four.
• 0:17
  Jon: He, no, I think Teen Wolf was like 84, 85 ish.
• 0:21
  Ryan: Four.
• 0:22
  Kearns: I mean, I hate that I have to ask this question.
• 0:24
  It just shows how my mental degradation is getting bad.
• 0:27
  But that was Michael J. Fox, wasn't it?
• 0:30
  Jon: It was,
• 0:30
  Ryan: was
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  Kearns: God.
• 0:32
  Ryan: Patrick
• 0:32
  Jon: yeah.
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  He was smart enough to get out of sequels.
• 0:35
  Ryan: in the
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  Kearns: Yeah.
• 0:37
  Ryan: Was it pa?
• 0:38
  Jon: Bateman,
• 0:39
  Ryan: Jason
• 0:40
  Jon: Psycho.
• 0:40
  Ryan: Bateman,
• 0:41
  Kearns: Geez,
• 0:42
  Jon: That would be an interesting movie.
• 0:44
  American Psycho Meets Teen Wolf Two.
• 0:47
  Kearns: he's a
• 0:47
  Jon: if I re,
• 0:48
  Kearns: court.
• 0:49
  Jon: if I remember right, teen Wolf Two isn't the number two either.
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  I think it's TOO.
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  Ryan: Teen Wolf
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  in
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  Jon: Teen Wolf.
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  Wolf as well
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  Kearns: a Teen Wolf adjacent movie.
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  But tonight we are talking about Howling.
• 1:07
  Jon: ing.
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  Kearns: Was it the first major werewolf movie of the 1980s?
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  It's got a year and a half or so before it.
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  Ryan: 1981 is when the Howling came out.
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  And then we have American Werewolf coming out the same
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  Kearns: About a year,
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  Ryan: August 21st.
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  So I think The Howling was the first that year.
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  'cause I think Wolfen comes out in between those two
• 1:28
  Jon: Yeah, I think The Howling came, I think it's kind of like one of those,
• 1:32
  Armageddon Deep Impact situations where they're making the same movie at the
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  same time, but one of them's done first.
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  Ryan: and
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  Kearns: And that was a wild one too, Did Armageddon blow the pants out or the, the
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: of
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: too?
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  Jon: know what, if you watch him today, I think Deep Impact's the better movie.
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  Kearns: Oh, it definitely is.
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  Armageddons got the comic relief though.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  And Armageddon has the preposterousness of.
• 2:01
  These astronauts can learn how to do space stuff, but we can't teach
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  them how to drill, but we can teach these drillers how to be astronauts.
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  Kearns: You know what?
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  I might change my opinion actually because it's got the obligatory 1990s
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  loose Cannon Steve Buscemi character
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  Jon: Uhhuh.
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  Kearns: and uh, like con air and stuff.
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  And I need that in my life.
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  So I might actually say that gives an Armageddon the Edge.
• 2:25
  Jon: I think Armageddon is probably the more fun movie.
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  you get Ben Affleck on l Tyler's belly with the animal cracker and
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  Kearns: entire theater was laughing at that scene.
• 2:35
  Jon: yeah, it's ridiculous.
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  And then they're all singing, leaving on a jet plane
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: and you get, Michael Clark Duncan's super deep voice coming in.
• 2:48
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 2:50
  One of the best scenes with him is in that movie, the Island, when he
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  realizes they're like harvesting their livers and stuff and he runs
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  outta the hospital and he just starts hit sticking people outta the way.
• 3:01
  It's a great scene, but yeah, we're doing the howling tonight.
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  Everybody Back to it.
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  John, do you have a blind rank or, or something for us?
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  Jon: or fake for you guys tonight,
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  Ryan: fake.
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  Okay.
• 3:13
  Kearns: fake?
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  Ryan: What
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  Jon: or fake.
• 3:15
  Ryan: did good last time?
• 3:17
  Jon: And it is.
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  Kearns: They
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  Jon: It is
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  Kearns: dumb.
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  Ryan: We did good.
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  Jon: real or fake.
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  Werewolf movies
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  Ryan: Let's
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  Kearns: Okay, I'm
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  Jon: and I made sure that the real ones are obscure enough
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  that you're not gonna know.
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  Ryan: Oh man.
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  Okay.
• 3:32
  Jon: Alright,
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  Kearns: are they though?
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  I'm actually pretty good with werewolf stuff.
• 3:35
  Jon: movie number one.
• 3:37
  Now we'll see Helen Keller versus Night Wolves.
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  The true story of how Helen Keller lost her sight and hearing
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  Kearns: The truth that, she was whole before the night wolves,
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  Jon: before the night wolves.
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  Yep.
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  Kearns: I have to say real, because I, in my heart, I need it to be real,
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  but if it's not real, that means you made that up and I'm so proud.
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  Ryan: I am gonna go real too.
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  Kearns: I
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  Ryan: on the wagon with currents on this one 'cause that's sounds too
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  Jon: that is 100% a real werewolf movie.
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  Kearns: If you made that up, we would need a urine sample from you to see
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  what drugs it took to make that up.
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  Ryan: that's gotta go on the list either at the end of this year or next year.
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  Jon: God, it's so, so bad.
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  It almost has to be, when we're up and running with Patreon, we
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  can't get, we can't put that out.
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  Kearns: That's
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  Jon: can't do it.
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  movie number two.
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  Moonlit veins.
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  A lovelorn poet must choose between his love for a woman and the
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  curse that has made him immortal.
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  Kearns: How do they spell vain?
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  Jon: V-E-I-N-S.
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  Kearns: Um, okay.
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  Ryan: Fake
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  Kearns: Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  I don't trust his face either.
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  I'm going fake as well.
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  Jon: That is fake
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  Ryan: all.
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  Kearns: I thought you were gonna do it like a weather vein.
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  I knew you know how to spell, obviously, but I was like, I'm gonna
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  see if this throws him a little bit.
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  Ryan: We
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  Jon: movie.
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  Kearns: him Riot.
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  Jon: Movie three.
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  Yeah.
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  You think you got me?
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  Grandma Werewolf.
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  A family's Thanksgiving tradition is rocked by a
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  stunning revelation by grandma.
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  She's a werewolf.
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  Kearns: Nice little twist in the little Red Riding Hood.
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  Uh,
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  Ryan: I like
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  Kearns: Lord.
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  Yeah.
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  Ryan: She was always the wolf
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  Kearns: Be you some pompous film major was like sniffing his own farts.
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  Like, you know what we'll do, man.
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  was the grand the whole time, man.
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  Ryan: and.
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  Kearns: What do you think, Ryan?
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  Ryan: I'm gonna go fake with this one.
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  I want it to be real,
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  Kearns: I'm gonna go real, I'm gonna go real.
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  Jon: It is real.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  telling you.
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  I felt that film, major vibe.
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  I know that this is, that that's actually triggering maybe for you.
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  I didn't even think of that.
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  I'm sorry.
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  Because Ryan was a film major.
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  Ryan: yes,
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  Kearns: Where were you not?
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  So not all film majors are papa as assholes.
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  We have a good one, but,
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  Ryan: of that one guy
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  Kearns: but no.
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  Ryan: apartment.
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  The train rolling by
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan: the rain falling.
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  He has a cigarette.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: into a scene right now.
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  Jon: All right, Phil, major President Werewolf.
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  the president has been bitten and is running the streets of DC
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  Ryan: No,
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  Kearns: not too far off.
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  Ryan: uh.
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  Kearns: Just keep the podcast apolitical.
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  Hmm.
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  Ryan: this sounds so real though.
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  'cause it sounds so be movie ish, something you can pick up on.
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  I'm going real on this one.
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  Kearns: Is it starring Gerard Butler?
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  The era when it was like White House, down White House Werewolf.
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  Jon: It
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  Kearns: it's real.
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  Ryan: It
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  Jon: actually,
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  Kearns: You almost gave something away.
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  Dammit.
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  Jon: no, I didn't.
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  Kearns: Oh,
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  I gotta go.
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  Real
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  Jon: It is real.
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  Ryan: word.
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  Kearns: dang.
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  Jon: President Werewolf is a real werewolf movie.
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  All right.
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  Ryan: vibe.
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  Jon: All right.
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  All right, smart guys.
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  Kearns: Oh, well I don't know about all that.
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  Jon: Thanks for the memories on the verge of a breakup.
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  A werewolf Remini is about the highs and lows of his relationship.
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  This gothic love story.
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  Kearns: hmm.
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  Ryan: this is like, very interview with a vampire feeling.
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  Kearns: This one's meant to throw us.
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  We're supposed to think this one's fake, but it's actually real.
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  Ryan: real, it's a, I can see them just like in a site
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  writing as memoirs, flashbacks.
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  Kearns: Writing.
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  Memo, memo.
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  Ryan, what are we doing here?
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  Ryan: I will
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  Kearns: move the clock.
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  Jon: It is fake.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: You guys are on it tonight.
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  Ryan: I missed the grandma one.
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Ryan: New York City filmmakers.
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  Jon: All right,
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  Ryan: not you.
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  Spike
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  Jon: let's throw you off a little bit.
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  Next movie Bloods with a Z versus Wolves with a Z. It's a turf war between
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  rival gangs, vampires, and werewolves.
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  Kearns: I would bet one of my testicles that you made that up.
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  That feels so much like John right there.
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  I. Double fifth.
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  Now,
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  Jon: So what are we saying?
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  Ryan: in this film?
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  Kearns: this real or fake, brought to you by Polar Seltzer,
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  Jon: I can't tell you if they're singing or not.
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  Ryan: story.
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  Uh, I'll go fake.
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  Kearns: Is it in an urban setting with the Bloods with a Z?
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  Jon: course it is.
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  Kearns: Of
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  Jon: Of course it is.
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  Ryan: Oh,
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  Kearns: You
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  Jon: So.
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  Ryan: Hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm gonna stick with No, well real go.
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  Real,
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  Kearns: You allowed to do that, Regis.
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  Jon: Final answer, Ryan.
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  Kearns: He said Real.
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  I'm gonna go with real as well.
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  Jon: Bloods versus wolves is real.
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  Ryan: It just, you kinda like think about it, the Z like
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  Kearns: It really felt like a you one though, dude.
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  Ryan: I was curious about the singing.
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  It's like if he says yes or no to this,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  I should have said yes.
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  Kearns: Maria.
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  Jon: I should have made, I should have made it a werewolf.
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  West Side story.
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  Ryan: that was the vibe I was getting.
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  Jon: Speaking of parodies
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  Kearns: Oh boy.
• 9:53
  Jon: werewolves of Wall Street.
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  In this spoof, investors go all in on a mysterious new miracle
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  drug that gives people super human traits with a monthly side effect.
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  It's,
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  Kearns: If this
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  Jon: it's snort
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  Kearns: believe
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  Jon: and injectable.
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  Ryan: If it was,
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  Kearns: And injectable
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  Jon: Yes,
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  Ryan: it
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  Kearns: Bs.
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  It's injectable.
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  Look at John's poker face.
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  This one's fake.
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  Ryan: fake rat on this.
• 10:25
  Jon: it's fake.
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  Kearns: I want this one to be real so badly though.
• 10:30
  Those are rookie numbers.
• 10:32
  Jon: Michael Douglas.
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  Michael Douglas or Michael Keaton?
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  Michael Douglas.
• 10:37
  Ryan: Michael Douglas?
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  Jon: Because that's Michael Keaton's real name.
• 10:41
  Ryan: Michael.
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  Kearns: Yeah,
• 10:42
  Ryan: Not, not Batman.
• 10:43
  Kearns: because there was already a Mike
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 10:46
  Not the best Batman you mean?
• 10:48
  Ryan: Batman.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
• 10:50
  We will take the heat in the comments defending that.
• 10:53
  By the way, Christian Bill does a good job and don't get me started
• 10:56
  on Emo Batman from Harry Potter.
• 10:57
  Right.
• 10:58
  The Penguin was a great series, but Jesus Christ, I can't get through that movie.
• 11:03
  It's the most Gen Z nonsense I've ever tried to sit through in my life.
• 11:07
  Ryan: the Riddler
• 11:08
  Jon: I feel so freed by not watching any of the Marvel or DC movies anymore.
• 11:13
  Kearns: I watched Lightning Bolts, um, like kind of in chunks to go to
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  sleep, and it should have been good.
• 11:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 11:20
  Ryan: the sequel
• 11:20
  Kearns: Is that Shazam Sequel?
• 11:23
  Ryan: the, yeah, with the, the fury of the gods.
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  The lightning bolt.
• 11:28
  Kearns: No lightning bolts is like the, um, the Avengers
• 11:30
  spinoff, like their expendable
• 11:32
  Ryan: Alright.
• 11:33
  Kearns: thunderbolts.
• 11:34
  That's the one not lightning bolts.
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  Thunderbolts.
• 11:37
  Ryan: it wasn't
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  Kearns: Yeah.
• 11:38
  Ryan: that disappoints me.
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  Kearns: Mid at best.
• 11:43
  Ryan: That's,
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  Kearns: outta 10.
• 11:44
  Ryan: you kill one of the best, hold on.
• 11:46
  When you kill one of the best like Marvel villains, right in the
• 11:48
  beginning, task Master, and you just make 'em look like a chump.
• 11:52
  The character has all the powers of every Marvel superhero.
• 11:55
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 11:56
  what they did with Century, they just made him Superman,
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  but with like emotional damage.
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  was just, it was just not, was, you'll see, it could have been good.
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  the power there.
• 12:08
  Ryan: be Adam
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  Kearns: they miffed it.
• 12:09
  Ryan: to the Galaxy three.
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  Kearns: Let's get to the last ones, John.
• 12:13
  Jon: We have three left.
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  Kerns has a to be.
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  Kearns: That chance went away a long time ago.
• 12:20
  Jon: The next movie is
• 12:22
  Kearns: Like
• 12:22
  Jon: How In An Unwitting Family on a Fall Foliage Trip seeks
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  a motel to stay for the night.
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  On the night of a full moon.
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  Kearns: I feel like they'd get sued if this was real.
• 12:38
  And then the sequels, how Aday in express
• 12:43
  Jon: No.
• 12:43
  Tell Motel Howl a Day Inn.
• 12:45
  Kearns: how Holiday Inn.
• 12:47
  Not until and at the Holaday Inn.
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  Whatcha doing?
• 12:51
  this is the hardest one so far.
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  Ryan: calling it.
• 12:57
  Kearns: Do I attempt to keep my perfect streak going, or do I
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  make sure I stay ahead of Ryan?
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  I think it's real, but I'm gonna say fake too.
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  Jon: It is fake.
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  You made the right choice.
• 13:11
  Kearns: That was all you buddy.
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  I had to go with you 'cause I was like Exactly 50 50 on it.
• 13:16
  Ryan: in a werewolf costume, singing Christmas songs
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  that.
• 13:22
  Jon: Right.
• 13:23
  Kearns: Two more
• 13:28
  Jon: So next is the Harlem Globe Trotters versus the Wolfman
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  Kearns: real.
• 13:35
  Please be real.
• 13:36
  Jon: Fresh.
• 13:37
  Fresh off their adventure with the Scooby Gang.
• 13:39
  The world famous Hoopsters come face to face with the Wolfman
• 13:44
  Ryan: I'm gonna say fake.
• 13:46
  Fake.
• 13:49
  Kearns: What was the description again?
• 13:50
  The what?
• 13:51
  Hoopsters.
• 13:52
  Jon: world famous Hoopsters.
• 13:57
  Kearns: Some real, I'm real.
• 13:59
  Jon: It is fake.
• 14:00
  Kearns: Oh.
• 14:01
  Ryan: You know why there was a tell and you know what the tell was.
• 14:04
  This is what happens when you stay home from school and
• 14:07
  you watch Scooby-Doo movies.
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  the only time the Harlem Globe Chowers were, we're with Scooby Doo
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  and there's no connection episode with them being the wolf man.
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  Yes.
• 14:19
  Jon: Oh, you made some logic jumps because this was intended to be
• 14:23
  a non Scooby do related venture.
• 14:26
  Ryan: I love
• 14:27
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 14:27
  Ryan: like OG Scooby Doo.
• 14:30
  Jon: Oh, I love it.
• 14:30
  I love the original Scooby dos, man.
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  The box set behind me,
• 14:36
  Ryan: Doo?
• 14:37
  After, like when they finished the original and then they did
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  the new Scooby Doo show, which was like, sorry for my singing,
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  but like Scooby Dooby Doo for you.
• 14:46
  Scooby Dooby Doo.
• 14:49
  Jon: I like them, but not as much as the original ones.
• 14:52
  Ryan: monster.
• 14:52
  That's, that's why in
• 14:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 14:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:58
  Ryan: sorry.
• 14:59
  Jon: Okay.
• 15:00
  Last one, Bubba.
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  The Redneck Werewolf, Bubba Blanche has become a beer swilling cigar
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  smoking werewolf just in time.
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  To save his hometown
• 15:17
  Kearns: The implications are so great just in time to save his hometown.
• 15:21
  From what, who knows?
• 15:23
  Who cares?
• 15:23
  It could be a prospector, it could be a, a landslide.
• 15:26
  Doesn't matter.
• 15:27
  Ryan: who does, who did the diabetes.
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  just see him.
• 15:32
  Yes,
• 15:32
  Kearns: Well, Brimley is
• 15:33
  Jon: ley is
• 15:34
  Kearns: werewolf.
• 15:35
  Jon: Bubba
• 15:37
  Ryan: Fake.
• 15:38
  Jon: Bubba.
• 15:40
  Kearns: I am gonna go real just for the chance for the win.
• 15:43
  Jon: It is real and it is actually fairly magnificent.
• 15:48
  Ryan: say,
• 15:48
  Kearns: I bet it's
• 15:49
  Ryan: his face was the lead actor.
• 15:50
  I was like, all right.
• 15:51
  We were two for two.
• 15:53
  Kearns: could it not be fairly magnificent?
• 15:55
  All right, well I didn't get a perfect game, but I did.
• 15:58
  Jon: Nine.
• 15:58
  Nine outta 10 is Allison.
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  Level
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  Kearns: Allison level is godly, so I'll take that.
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  Ryan, you got eight outta 10.
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  Jon: eight outta 10 is damn good too.
• 16:08
  Ryan: real, I
• 16:09
  Kearns: He always does well though.
• 16:10
  Ryan: Doo uh, the Harlem Globe Trotters one.
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  But once you mentioned Scooby, I was like, oh, I know this,
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  Jon: I wanted that to be a real one so badly.
• 16:19
  Ryan: the Har Listen, the
• 16:20
  Kearns: Alright,
• 16:21
  Ryan: cartoon is a very underrated cartoon.
• 16:24
  All right.
• 16:25
  Very underrated.
• 16:27
  Kearns: get outta here.
• 16:28
  You critter.
• 16:29
  What are you playing with under me?
• 16:31
  Ryan: Don't, don't
• 16:32
  Kearns: this one's a big,
• 16:33
  Ryan: Oh,
• 16:34
  Kearns: cat.
• 16:35
  She's messing with plastic or something.
• 16:37
  Anyway, the Howling, 1981,
• 16:40
  Jon: I.
• 16:40
  Kearns: the Howling, 1981.
• 16:41
  Everybody an hour and a half of greatness.
• 16:45
  Ryan: it's like one of Joe Dante's first outings, and it's not bad.
• 16:49
  I mean, you know, he debuted with Piranha, of course, which is previously
• 16:54
  on another episode of Xenomania.
• 16:57
  it out Previously
• 16:59
  Jon: Xenomania,
• 17:00
  Kearns: But we're gonna point it out in the cards.
• 17:02
  I don't know where it'll be, but I'm putting it up in the video.
• 17:04
  Ryan: but
• 17:04
  Kearns: All right.
• 17:05
  Ryan: so much.
• 17:07
  Jon: it's also the reunion between Joe Dante and John Sales who Co-wrote Piranha.
• 17:12
  So it's, we have a Piranha reunion
• 17:15
  Kearns: And much like Piana, this movie takes itself seriously.
• 17:18
  But unlike Piana, this one actually feels like it.
• 17:21
  It lands, it sticks the landing a bit better on that.
• 17:25
  do you guys think about that?
• 17:26
  I.
• 17:26
  Ryan: agree.
• 17:27
  Jon: mostly.
• 17:28
  Kearns: there's a bit of weight to this,
• 17:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 17:30
  Kearns: I didn't remember on the rewatch.
• 17:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:33
  Kearns: it took me a while to get into that groove of, this era of movie making.
• 17:38
  And it, yeah, it's hard for me to describe it.
• 17:41
  It really did take me a second to like remold my brain and
• 17:44
  start to enjoy it again.
• 17:45
  Ryan: like a crime thriller.
• 17:47
  And again, I haven't seen it in
• 17:48
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 17:49
  Ryan: either and I'm watching it.
• 17:51
  Kearns: It's very noir.
• 17:52
  Ryan: like in the opening.
• 17:53
  Eddie Quist, who's this serial killer, is stalking Karen White, who is a
• 17:57
  reporter and it's like they're on this whole stakeout, the cops are everywhere.
• 18:02
  You're in, I'm presuming Times Square at the time because I
• 18:05
  see all the Triple X signs.
• 18:07
  Jon: It's West Coast, I think, so it's probably like, Sunset Strip or something.
• 18:12
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 18:12
  Ryan: a second, and I was like,
• 18:14
  Jon: I mean
• 18:15
  Kearns: because
• 18:15
  Jon: though.
• 18:16
  Kearns: because
• 18:16
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Kearns: that seventies gritty.
• 18:18
  'cause it's
• 18:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  I mean, I think those sections of New York City and LA were aside
• 18:25
  from, you know, maybe weather and attitudes, very similar looking.
• 18:29
  Kearns: You're probably right about that.
• 18:31
  Well, the thing too is that Times Square at that time was
• 18:34
  not a very good place to be.
• 18:37
  Jon: I mean, it depends what you were in Times Square for.
• 18:41
  Kearns: yeah.
• 18:41
  True porn and drugs and or to assault somebody in a various way,
• 18:47
  yeah, you were in the right place.
• 18:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:49
  Kearns: otherwise,
• 18:50
  Jon: Yep.
• 18:51
  Kearns: No.
• 18:51
  There was no m and m store back then.
• 18:53
  Kids
• 18:54
  Ryan: Oh,
• 18:55
  Jon: this was way before the disneyfication of Times Square.
• 18:58
  Ryan: yes.
• 19:00
  Kearns: New York had an edge to it back then.
• 19:02
  Still does, but like
• 19:04
  Jon: Not like that.
• 19:05
  Ryan: I mean, it's still crazy, but it's not how we recognize
• 19:09
  New York City as it once was.
• 19:11
  Kearns: Well, this is post, like Son of Sam had happened within a reasonably short
• 19:15
  period of time prior and things like that.
• 19:17
  New York was still considered a highly dangerous place to be.
• 19:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:21
  Kearns: so
• 19:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:22
  Kearns: yeah.
• 19:23
  But anyway, the gritty setting
• 19:25
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:26
  Kearns: noir aspect of it's there and it does, it doesn't serve things up to you.
• 19:30
  It makes you think there's, it almost felt like Hitchcock for a bit.
• 19:33
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Ryan: it's,
• 19:35
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Okay.
• 19:35
  I'm glad it wasn't on base.
• 19:37
  Ryan: I mean, even when, like, you're in the scene where, like Eddie, like she
• 19:42
  meets Eddie in the porn shop and they're in the little sleazy porn outlet there,
• 19:46
  and she's watching that horrible video.
• 19:49
  He's like, he gave, he put in and he's talking to her.
• 19:52
  It's not like
• 19:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:55
  Ryan: uncomfortable.
• 19:56
  It's like that, usual
• 19:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Ryan: the eighties.
• 19:58
  Like you got like that goosebump
• 20:00
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Ryan: and then
• 20:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:03
  Ryan: you hear the transformation, which I thought was pretty cool
• 20:06
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Ryan: like,
• 20:08
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:09
  And like those newsroom scenes at the beginning and the end are
• 20:14
  feel so like dawn of the dead too.
• 20:16
  So it's immediately comfortable that way for me
• 20:18
  Kearns: Yeah, that's a good call.
• 20:21
  Jon: so before we go further, do you guys want a couple reviews?
• 20:24
  Ryan: I'm
• 20:25
  Kearns: please.
• 20:25
  Jon: All right.
• 20:26
  Well,
• 20:26
  Kearns: other people thought
• 20:27
  Jon: as always we'll start with a five star.
• 20:29
  Ryan: five star,
• 20:30
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 20:30
  There's a lot of five stars so that it's harder to find,
• 20:34
  the one stars than the fives.
• 20:36
  At least, the one stars in a reasonable length.
• 20:39
  So here's five stars.
• 20:41
  Awesome.
• 20:42
  The eighties era kills it.
• 20:44
  Again, I didn't grow up during the eighties, nor were my parents even
• 20:49
  together till 87, but I wish that I had, this is way better than most
• 20:55
  other werewolf movies made today.
• 20:57
  The makeup is phenomenal.
• 20:59
  Great story.
• 21:00
  I recommend watching at least once.
• 21:04
  That's a, I mean, that's a pretty rave review, I mean,
• 21:08
  Ryan: was, I didn't think it was gonna be as good as I remembered,
• 21:12
  and they did a really good job, especially with the transformations.
• 21:16
  I mean on a 1.7 million budget at that time, and seeing what they would do
• 21:20
  with American werewolf months later.
• 21:23
  It wasn't howling, wasn't
• 21:24
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 21:25
  Ryan: at that time.
• 21:27
  Jon: No, I prefer the American Werewolf ones, but The Howling did a
• 21:31
  good job with theirs and a one star.
• 21:35
  That movie was horrible on almost every level.
• 21:39
  The only, the only good part is the nudity, the special effects.
• 21:46
  Kearns: it's got some good nudity.
• 21:47
  Jon: The special effects were atrocious.
• 21:50
  The story was boring.
• 21:52
  Hardly see any werewolves until almost an hour in the film.
• 21:57
  That ending was so lame and campy.
• 21:59
  It should be banned.
• 22:01
  Ryan: it
• 22:02
  Jon: The end where the news lady changes on live TV and turns into a
• 22:07
  straight up overgrown lapdog was dumb.
• 22:12
  Cocaine fueled some of the lamest films back then.
• 22:16
  Almost zero redeeming qualities, complete garbage
• 22:21
  Kearns: for the boobs.
• 22:23
  Ryan: except
• 22:23
  Kearns: person,
• 22:24
  Jon: boobs.
• 22:24
  Kearns: gave one star for one boob.
• 22:27
  Jon: I would, say the opposite.
• 22:29
  I think cocaine fueled some of the craziest, most awesome
• 22:33
  movies of the eighties.
• 22:35
  Kearns: I think you're probably right about that.
• 22:36
  And nineties.
• 22:37
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:38
  Ryan: He was,
• 22:39
  Kearns: yeah.
• 22:40
  Ryan: gone and that's a Masterpiece Chef's kiss right there.
• 22:46
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 22:48
  It goes to show the drugs, don't make the gem.
• 22:51
  you've gotta be an absolute genius plus drugs
• 22:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:54
  Kearns: to get away with it.
• 22:55
  But like
• 22:56
  Jon: And I mean, even then it didn't necessarily work out.
• 23:00
  Look at maximum overdrive.
• 23:01
  I love maximum overdrive, but that is not a good movie.
• 23:05
  And there was a lot of cocaine involved.
• 23:08
  Kearns: Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 23:10
  Andrew Wk of movies.
• 23:13
  Yeah.
• 23:15
  Yeah, man.
• 23:16
  with this movie in particular, what I liked about The Howling
• 23:19
  was the journey to that twist ending wasn't even a twist ending.
• 23:24
  It was
• 23:24
  Jon: Oh
• 23:25
  Kearns: ending.
• 23:26
  Jon: yeah,
• 23:27
  Kearns: they didn't give you a neat tidy ending, and it was pretty good.
• 23:30
  That review is kind of lame.
• 23:32
  I don't know if I'd give it, I wouldn't give it five, but I'd definitely
• 23:35
  give it a three, three and above.
• 23:37
  Jon: yeah,
• 23:38
  Kearns: it came out, and we were talking earlier, it comes out in the
• 23:41
  same year as, Wolfen and then American Werewolf in London, and three or four
• 23:48
  more where Major Werewolf movies came out afterward in the eighties, didn't
• 23:52
  Jon: yeah,
• 23:53
  Kearns: Probably a
• 23:53
  Jon: There were a lot of eighties werewolf movies.
• 23:57
  Kearns: and they all hinge on the special effects.
• 23:59
  That's like the major criticisms begin on the transformations.
• 24:02
  Transformations in this weren't bad.
• 24:04
  Jon: Yeah.
• 24:04
  I mean, obviously.
• 24:06
  They're kind of dated compared to what you can do now.
• 24:09
  But for 1981, the Howling and American Werewolf in London really
• 24:15
  nailed good transformation scenes.
• 24:19
  Ryan: two different types though, right?
• 24:20
  Like you have in the howling, you see the face like a long gate and transform an
• 24:27
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:27
  Ryan: werewolf.
• 24:27
  It's more of like the flesh.
• 24:29
  The flesh is coming off
• 24:31
  Jon: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Ryan: the werewolf is protruding out of, you can say it's
• 24:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:37
  Ryan: 'cause I feel like an American werewolf in London.
• 24:39
  The wolf is the, the true identity similar to the howling, but like,
• 24:45
  I feel like an American werewolf.
• 24:46
  They're trying to embrace more of the human identity in a way.
• 24:49
  'cause he, in his own way, he's trying to be human.
• 24:52
  He is trying to resist this.
• 24:54
  While in the howling, it's more about the acceptance, the accepting
• 24:58
  Jon: Hmm.
• 24:58
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Ryan: You wanna live forever and.
• 25:01
  Yeah, was interesting too, the lore how like they can't die.
• 25:07
  I mean, it's true, but to go into deep into the idea of like silver bullets
• 25:12
  and even burning them, which was something new to the lore at the, I
• 25:16
  feel like to be revealed at that time.
• 25:19
  Kearns: That gets into the like medieval, ways to do it.
• 25:22
  Burning was always a way to do it.
• 25:24
  So you didn't always hinge on like just the garlic or just the,
• 25:27
  this like decapitating burning.
• 25:30
  Those were all within their means, so they were always part of the stories back then.
• 25:34
  Jon: Yep.
• 25:34
  Kearns: So I guess they carried it over into this movie.
• 25:36
  But most modern movies you can't do that.
• 25:39
  You have to use the magic thing, silver Bullet or whatever.
• 25:43
  So I'm kind of glad they had that
• 25:45
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Kearns: Burning the
• 25:46
  Ryan: Yeah, it
• 25:47
  Kearns: witch.
• 25:48
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Ryan: it was a different add-on.
• 25:50
  It changes it up a bit.
• 25:51
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Kearns: It's good.
• 25:53
  It was good.
• 25:54
  I.
• 25:54
  Jon: It sort of plays on some of those early eighties cult fears too,
• 25:59
  because after the trauma of the Peep Show booth, a psychiatrist sends,
• 26:06
  Karen to the Colony, which is almost instantly identifiable as a cult.
• 26:13
  Kearns: Yeah, the cult steria was a big deal.
• 26:16
  and they, I felt the Rosemary's babies, that's what I always call it, the
• 26:20
  rosemary baby vibe this, especially in that climactic scene when we've got the
• 26:27
  rifle and we're just popping werewolves.
• 26:30
  it was such a good scene.
• 26:31
  But yeah, I felt that vibe for sure.
• 26:34
  And I think John's nailing it right now, that Jonestown came later, didn't it?
• 26:39
  Jon: Jonestown had already happened by 81.
• 26:41
  Kearns: happened, so there you go.
• 26:42
  And
• 26:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:42
  Kearns: If people don't know this, a congressman was killed.
• 26:46
  Ryan: Drank the Kool-Aid.
• 26:47
  Jon: Yeah,
• 26:48
  Kearns: cult run down on his way to the airport and murdered,
• 26:53
  Jon: yeah,
• 26:53
  Kearns: he was going back to the states to do something
• 26:55
  Jon: yeah.
• 26:56
  Kearns: and then they knew that they were going down.
• 26:58
  That's when they gave everybody the Kool-Aid in Jonestown.
• 27:01
  That's a messed up one.
• 27:03
  Ryan: Jonestown
• 27:04
  Kearns: I like it.
• 27:05
  Ryan: was bad.
• 27:06
  Jon: I mean like, so I'm the only one old enough to like have been seen it happen.
• 27:14
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Jon: I remember like Time Magazine and Newsweek with the photos of bodies like
• 27:20
  just all over the place at Jonestown and like, you don't realize at that
• 27:27
  time, at least at my age, that a lot of those people didn't drink the flavored,
• 27:32
  Kearns: yeah.
• 27:33
  They were killed.
• 27:33
  Jon: they were shot.
• 27:35
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Jon: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Kearns: If they didn't drink the Kool-Aid, they were shot.
• 27:40
  Children, men, all of it.
• 27:41
  It was wild.
• 27:44
  Ryan: Well,
• 27:45
  Jon: Yep.
• 27:46
  Kearns: Get following
• 27:47
  Jon: Yeah, I mean
• 27:49
  Ryan: Don't
• 27:49
  Jon: he
• 27:50
  Ryan: kids
• 27:50
  Jon: like,
• 27:51
  Kearns: Koresh was later.
• 27:52
  Jon: like as you see with Dr. Wagner in the Howling, it's the ability
• 27:58
  to prey on fragile, broken people,
• 28:01
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 28:03
  Jon: and that's what Dr. Wagner does with Karen.
• 28:05
  Like he sends her right into this because it's his baby.
• 28:11
  He's trying to raise ethical werewolves.
• 28:14
  Ryan: you know, I'm happy that they got Patrick McNee in the role.
• 28:19
  I always pop for this because if you guys don't know, he was in a
• 28:22
  show called The Avengers John Steed.
• 28:26
  So it's
• 28:27
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:27
  Ryan: good to see him in like a different role, especially like
• 28:31
  protagonist to Antagonist you would say.
• 28:33
  'cause even in the beginning when you meet him, he's got that Dr.
• 28:37
  Monroe vibe, the Cane, the jacket, very island of Dr. Monroe.
• 28:42
  I'm forgetting the original, title for the Universal Film.
• 28:47
  Kearns: Oh, I don't remember
• 28:48
  Ryan: Troy,
• 28:49
  Kearns: Island, probably it's universal.
• 28:51
  But yeah, you're gushing over Dr. Wagner's character and how he had range, or the
• 28:57
  actor rather, and how he had range.
• 28:58
  Ryan: and it shows, but it's like very calming and that's kind of like
• 29:03
  what invites not even only Caden, but the audience in deeper into the
• 29:08
  film and deeper into the colony.
• 29:10
  And especially meaning like the different
• 29:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 29:12
  Ryan: Like, you can see
• 29:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 29:14
  Yeah.
• 29:15
  I mean, well, the first time you see, Marsha.
• 29:19
  Staring at Karen's man Bill, like he's food.
• 29:26
  Like it's not even, a lustful stare.
• 29:29
  It's a hungry stare.
• 29:32
  Kearns: Few hungry eyes.
• 29:34
  Nobody.
• 29:34
  All right,
• 29:36
  Jon: Hungry Eyes
• 29:38
  Kearns: That's actually pretty good.
• 29:39
  Jon: can't disguise.
• 29:40
  I've got hungry as, sorry.
• 29:45
  Kearns: All good.
• 29:47
  Brought you
• 29:47
  Jon: that.
• 29:47
  I know.
• 29:48
  Dirty Dancing soundtrack songs so well.
• 29:50
  Ryan: Dancing is a phenomenal film though, but his best is
• 29:53
  Kearns: Lived it.
• 29:59
  We got a Roger Corman cameo in this, don't we?
• 30:01
  Ryan: No, you don't think point break.
• 30:06
  Kearns: Oh, I tried to distract them, but it didn't work.
• 30:08
  Ryan: Roadhouse is excellent.
• 30:10
  Jon: That's, that's where I might go.
• 30:12
  And I came to Roadhouse late 'cause I skipped Roadhouse for a long
• 30:16
  time, and then I watched Roadhouse and now Roadhouse is the shit.
• 30:22
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Roadhouse is it?
• 30:24
  It holds up
• 30:25
  Ryan: You know the
• 30:25
  Kearns: well.
• 30:26
  Ryan: Bill,
• 30:27
  Kearns: Timeless.
• 30:28
  Ryan: Bill Murray?
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  Kearns: Murray?
• 30:30
  Yeah.
• 30:31
  Ryan: I
• 30:31
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Ryan: wife.
• 30:32
  She's with Patrick.
• 30:33
  Kearns: Smashing her up against the wall.
• 30:36
  I'm not sure if you're aware of this,
• 30:39
  Ryan: TNTI.
• 30:48
  Kearns: man.
• 30:48
  Ryan: is a
• 30:49
  Jon: It, I a little Bill Murray tangent also, I, I don't know if you
• 30:53
  guys watched it yet, but the trailer for the John Candy documentary.
• 30:57
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 30:58
  Very good.
• 30:59
  Jon: Oh, good.
• 31:00
  Kearns: to cry.
• 31:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 31:02
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 31:03
  Jon: good.
• 31:04
  Kearns: I didn't realize that John Candy died at my age.
• 31:07
  Jon: Yeah, I thought he was a little older than that.
• 31:10
  Kearns: Me too.
• 31:10
  Jon: thought he was a lot closer to 50.
• 31:12
  Ryan: it just all the, I, I didn't know he was a smoker, and when I
• 31:16
  found that out I was like that.
• 31:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Ryan: it.
• 31:19
  'cause like the smoking, the drinking, the eating, it's like
• 31:22
  what happened with Chris Farley?
• 31:23
  Sadly.
• 31:24
  I mean, but Farley had a little more drugs involved.
• 31:27
  Kearns: think that heavier drugs had to have been involved a little bit
• 31:30
  Jon: Oh, yeah.
• 31:30
  No.
• 31:31
  Yeah, he was,
• 31:32
  Kearns: a day and
• 31:32
  Jon: he was,
• 31:33
  Kearns: steak
• 31:33
  Jon: he was a drinker.
• 31:35
  Kearns: kill
• 31:35
  Jon: He was a big drinker.
• 31:37
  I'm pretty sure he was in the, the cocaine fueled,
• 31:40
  Kearns: everybody was doing coke.
• 31:42
  Yeah.
• 31:43
  Jon: but like that scene in, what was it?
• 31:45
  Splash, where he is playing handball with Tom Hanks and he's struggling like that.
• 31:50
  Like he's really hung over in that scene.
• 31:52
  Like he's not pretending he's fully hung over.
• 31:55
  Ryan: drinking
• 31:56
  Kearns: Wow.
• 31:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:57
  Ryan: story.
• 31:57
  And he just
• 31:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Ryan: over like that ball cracking him in the
• 32:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 32:02
  Ryan: real.
• 32:03
  Jon: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Like that.
• 32:04
  Yeah.
• 32:04
  That was a hundred percent real.
• 32:07
  He was just too hungover to get out of the way.
• 32:12
  Kearns: That's great.
• 32:12
  Can you imagine the howling with John Candy in it?
• 32:15
  Ryan: uh,
• 32:15
  Jon: Oh man,
• 32:16
  Ryan: salesman.
• 32:17
  Kearns: It'd be great.
• 32:18
  Yeah.
• 32:22
  Jon: that would be amazing.
• 32:24
  Kearns: we've talked about the movies.
• 32:25
  It's up against, most people prefer American Werewolf in London.
• 32:29
  What gives howling the edge if it has an edge?
• 32:34
  Jon: Dick Miller,
• 32:35
  Kearns: Miller because I, there was a Dick
• 32:37
  Jon: slim Pickens.
• 32:38
  Ryan: so, I forgot they were in there.
• 32:40
  Jon: Love seeing Slim Pickens show up in things.
• 32:43
  Ryan: I saw that name and I was like, God, I forgot about this.
• 32:47
  And I was like, wait a minute, my eyes deceiving me?
• 32:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 32:51
  Yeah.
• 32:52
  Kearns: Sam Newfield.
• 32:53
  Jon: I think consistently the howling goes for this scare where American werewolf
• 33:00
  in London will, you know, mix the scare and the joke and the scare and the joke.
• 33:05
  The howling is more straight horror.
• 33:09
  Kearns: Right.
• 33:10
  And I think that that's the thing we should point out about it,
• 33:13
  is that howling isn't afraid to take a while to get to the scare,
• 33:17
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:19
  Kearns: and do it in a way, and it isn't afraid to, you know, do these things.
• 33:24
  But American Werewolf in London relies heavily on the humor, the Comic Relief.
• 33:29
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:29
  Kearns: a summer blockbuster movie.
• 33:31
  It came out in August for a
• 33:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Yeah.
• 33:34
  Ryan: I knew
• 33:34
  Jon: Yeah.
• 33:34
  Ryan: doing.
• 33:35
  Kearns: yeah, I thought the Ling was very good.
• 33:37
  know what I noticed by the way, when he shoots the doctor at the
• 33:40
  end, I think it's Wagner, right
• 33:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:42
  Kearns: and he goes, oh thank God.
• 33:45
  And he falls on the ground.
• 33:46
  Why does he do that?
• 33:48
  'cause he wants to die.
• 33:49
  Ryan: like, it shows,
• 33:51
  Jon: I think, yeah, that comes up in vampire movies sometimes too, where
• 33:56
  the immortal creature is happy to die.
• 33:59
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 34:00
  It's, like, oh, interesting.
• 34:01
  Ryan: band.
• 34:03
  Kearns: Gimme a mortality.
• 34:03
  I want to test that.
• 34:05
  Ryan: You want to vandal savage it.
• 34:06
  I don't know.
• 34:08
  Just
• 34:08
  Kearns: Yep.
• 34:09
  Jon: I mean, at some point everyone you've ever known is gone.
• 34:13
  Kearns: You know
• 34:14
  Jon: And it's just you.
• 34:15
  Ryan: new
• 34:15
  Kearns: There's more people.
• 34:16
  They're coming down the pipe.
• 34:17
  Yeah.
• 34:19
  It's okay.
• 34:20
  It's gonna be okay.
• 34:20
  Jon: I don't make friends that easy guys, so, yeah.
• 34:24
  Kearns: I liked you immediately
• 34:27
  Jon: I, I'm likable.
• 34:29
  I, but I don't make friends real easy.
• 34:31
  Ryan: it's like you gotta let 'em in the circle, the circle of trust,
• 34:35
  Jon: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Yeah.
• 34:36
  Ryan: through an interview process
• 34:39
  Kearns: broke into two circles of trust.
• 34:41
  Jon: Speaking of circles of trust, I have another review for
• 34:44
  you that goes way in circles.
• 34:47
  Just pay attention to these ratings.
• 34:49
  So this is a two stars.
• 34:52
  Out of five, a TV news reporter is sent out to act as a decoy
• 34:58
  to flush out a serial killer.
• 35:00
  But after she does her job, she goes to recuperate from the experience
• 35:04
  by joining a strange encounter group that is all, and nothing but
• 35:09
  werewolves, superb and grand special effects in a very well acted movie.
• 35:15
  But to be honest, story and characters are very downright boring and cardboard.
• 35:21
  Ryan: Hmm.
• 35:22
  Jon: A six out of 10, sir, we started at two out of five, which is a 40,
• 35:26
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 35:27
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 35:28
  Jon: we moved to, we moved to six out of 10 after saying.
• 35:32
  It's a superb movie with grand, special effects and very well acted.
• 35:38
  Kearns: It's very schizophrenic review.
• 35:40
  Jon: Yes.
• 35:42
  Kearns: or maybe I should say bipolar review.
• 35:43
  yeah, I don't really agree with that one either.
• 35:45
  I agree with some of the narrative.
• 35:47
  I don't agree with the numbers.
• 35:48
  I, well, we did, I did say a three or higher, and a three
• 35:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:53
  Kearns: outta 10.
• 35:54
  I really think this is a solid seven, 7.5.
• 35:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 35:57
  Kearns: to 10 scale, three
• 35:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Kearns: giving it a
• 36:00
  Jon: And a half.
• 36:00
  Kearns: tricky because there are movies out there that are great.
• 36:03
  I think a great movie is a four and this one just, just
• 36:07
  maybe just falls short of that
• 36:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:09
  Ryan: because if they.
• 36:11
  more to the story, maybe more time in the colony.
• 36:14
  Give us a few debts because you, you're squeezing a lot of the debts.
• 36:17
  In the end everything gets squeezed.
• 36:20
  Kearns: They had to make movies differently back then
• 36:23
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Kearns: had to actually rely on the story
• 36:26
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:27
  Kearns: and stuff to carry it, not CGI nonsense, so you don't
• 36:29
  get nonstop action and stuff.
• 36:31
  So it's kind of difficult to gauge this against a modern horror.
• 36:34
  Ryan: fair on
• 36:35
  Jon: Yeah, you have the different beats, you know, now you need
• 36:38
  the action sequence much quicker.
• 36:42
  Whereas, you know, in 1981, you could let that breathe a little bit.
• 36:46
  Kearns: because the tiktoks can't keep their attention on
• 36:48
  the screen for long enough.
• 36:50
  Ryan: like rewatching the older stuff and then us watching the newer stuff,
• 36:53
  you see the big difference And about it, like we've kind of fallen into that whole
• 36:58
  lane of everything's gotta be quick and
• 37:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:02
  Ryan: and me, for me, reset it to the point where it's
• 37:05
  okay to have a longer story.
• 37:07
  And a lot of
• 37:08
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:09
  Ryan: about
• 37:09
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:09
  I mean, just look at, we did the conjuring not long ago.
• 37:12
  It's, you can see the difference in the pacing.
• 37:16
  Kearns: Yeah, right.
• 37:17
  Good example.
• 37:18
  Ryan: it's very fast paced for a story.
• 37:20
  That should be a little slower if that's where you're
• 37:24
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 37:25
  Ryan: Okay.
• 37:26
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:26
  Kearns: I concur.
• 37:28
  I thought they took a great risk.
• 37:29
  Let's get to the Do we wanna talk about anything else before we go through the
• 37:35
  Jon: Now let's jump to the end.
• 37:37
  Kearns: I mean, it's good.
• 37:38
  But the ending with the reveal.
• 37:39
  Well, Karen takes a nip.
• 37:41
  She gets a little nippy.
• 37:42
  Nipped.
• 37:42
  she's a wolfen and she's gonna out them all.
• 37:45
  And this is
• 37:46
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:46
  Kearns: with what John's talking about, about like the cult.
• 37:49
  And I really think the cult craze of the time is a carryover of the
• 37:53
  red scare that came prior from
• 37:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:57
  Kearns: generation.
• 37:58
  They needed the boogeyman, the satanic panic, all that stuff is
• 38:01
  Jon: Yep.
• 38:01
  Kearns: the fear of the other blah, blah, blah.
• 38:03
  So Karen's gonna out them the Illuminati, the, no, the wolves.
• 38:08
  The wolves.
• 38:08
  Jon: The wove.
• 38:09
  Kearns: goes the Wol.
• 38:11
  she goes out to do it and they plug her ass on live TV
• 38:15
  Jon: Uh, I mean, yeah.
• 38:17
  I mean, to be fair, she does transform on live TV also.
• 38:21
  Kearns: And this is cool too, 'cause you get media gaslighting, which is
• 38:24
  something we're very familiar with today.
• 38:27
  So back then when I was growing up in the nineties, I would've never guessed
• 38:33
  outright lies through the media.
• 38:35
  Could be so like bold they are today.
• 38:38
  But in this movie, they do a good job of like, is it real?
• 38:42
  Was it special effects?
• 38:43
  Are
• 38:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 38:44
  Kearns: wolf cults out there?
• 38:45
  Jon: Yeah.
• 38:46
  Ryan: it's that questioning of like.
• 38:47
  Yeah.
• 38:48
  in the eighties, like you would expect it to feel like, oh shit, this is real.
• 38:53
  And they're questioning that, like, oh, it's just special effects.
• 38:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:00
  Kearns: Can't be real.
• 39:01
  Ryan: was real.
• 39:02
  She looked like a
• 39:03
  Kearns: It was real
• 39:04
  Jon: Yeah, she.
• 39:06
  Kearns: pood.
• 39:07
  Ryan: like it was just the
• 39:08
  Jon: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  Ryan: Even Enid from
• 39:12
  Jon: Yeah.
• 39:12
  She,
• 39:13
  Ryan: have that.
• 39:13
  All right.
• 39:17
  Jon: she did, she does end up looking kind of tame.
• 39:20
  Ryan: she seemed safe and you kind of feel bad when she gets shot,
• 39:24
  but that's also great when that's when they cut the feed, gunshots.
• 39:28
  Cut it.
• 39:29
  it.
• 39:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:32
  Kearns: Too far off that timeline.
• 39:33
  Probably beforehand, there was a newscaster who shot himself on live tv.
• 39:37
  Jon: It was a politician, bud Dwyer.
• 39:39
  Right?
• 39:40
  Kearns: It was a Bud Wire who did
• 39:41
  Jon: Larry?
• 39:42
  Larry, I think his first name was Larry.
• 39:45
  He was a, there might've been another one, but the one I'm thinking of is Bud Dwyer.
• 39:49
  He was a, I believe, a Pennsylvania politician who had been accused
• 39:54
  of some kind of corruption.
• 39:55
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 39:56
  Jon: turned out he didn't do it either.
• 39:59
  Kearns: Whoa.
• 40:00
  Jon: He's also the inspiration for the Filter song.
• 40:03
  Hey man, nice shot.
• 40:04
  Kearns: Oh, crazy.
• 40:07
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:08
  Kearns: Crazy.
• 40:09
  There's layers to this onion kids.
• 40:11
  Wow.
• 40:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 40:14
  Kearns: Wow.
• 40:14
  There's a lot to chew on there.
• 40:16
  Jon: Which can take us to Nine Inch Nails because the guy that founded Filter was
• 40:21
  in the Nine Inch Nails touring band,
• 40:24
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 40:24
  Ryan: like nine inch nails.
• 40:27
  Kearns: And then from there we've got
• 40:31
  Jon: countless soundtracks now with Trent Resner.
• 40:34
  Kearns: Okay.
• 40:35
  So we, to Trent Resner,
• 40:36
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:37
  Kearns: I was trying to make a joke, but it, I couldn't find any
• 40:39
  in the dark recesses of my mind.
• 40:41
  alright.
• 40:42
  But that, yeah, that's basically, that's the howling, it turned into a franchise.
• 40:46
  Shocker.
• 40:48
  didn't need to,
• 40:49
  Jon: Nope, nope.
• 40:50
  Kearns: not necessarily horrible franchise either, but it's a franchise.
• 40:53
  All right.
• 40:54
  Jon: it gets pretty rough after a couple.
• 40:57
  Kearns: And Ryan mentioned that this is based on a three book series.
• 41:01
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 41:02
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Ryan: and
• 41:04
  Kearns: the thing.
• 41:05
  Ryan: don't have anything to do with the movies.
• 41:06
  the first book is similar to the first movie, but they change a lot.
• 41:10
  And same thing with the second and third book.
• 41:12
  It's a whole different story.
• 41:14
  So
• 41:14
  Kearns: When you get those authors who just want their name
• 41:17
  on there based on the story, buy
• 41:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Yeah.
• 41:20
  Kearns: well, I don't know man.
• 41:21
  If somebody was like, Hey, we're gonna heavily adapt
• 41:23
  your work, but here's a check.
• 41:25
  I'd be like, lemme see that check real quick.
• 41:27
  Hmm.
• 41:28
  And do some
• 41:29
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:29
  Yeah.
• 41:30
  So I'll close this out with another one.
• 41:32
  Star
• 41:33
  Kearns: Let's do it.
• 41:34
  Jon: White, possibly the single worst Werewolf movie.
• 41:38
  Kearns: Single one.
• 41:40
  Jon: single worst after some of the ones I listed in the game
• 41:44
  at the start of this episode.
• 41:45
  We know that's not true.
• 41:47
  Ryan: you.
• 41:48
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Jon: Plot is nonsensical.
• 41:52
  The effects are only halfway decent.
• 41:55
  It's a comedy with Scooby Doo level writing, and the sound design
• 41:59
  makes it feel like the movie is supposed to be horribly wacky.
• 42:04
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 42:05
  Jon: And I'm not sure what movie this person watched.
• 42:09
  Kearns: First of all, what they do with latex or whatever that
• 42:11
  material is to elongate the faces and stuff to make that wolf snout
• 42:16
  and things like that is wildly good.
• 42:18
  I think they did a great job with the special effects.
• 42:21
  It was, what's his face?
• 42:23
  Rob Boon?
• 42:24
  Botten.
• 42:26
  Beton.
• 42:26
  No, that's not him, is it?
• 42:28
  Ryan: Yep.
• 42:29
  Kearns: It is, yeah.
• 42:30
  He's like 21 or 22 years old in this.
• 42:32
  He ended up doing the special effects for a few movies that
• 42:34
  are really, really great.
• 42:35
  John probably knows him right off the top of his head.
• 42:37
  Jon: I don't remember special effects guys' names.
• 42:39
  Kearns: wow.
• 42:40
  Jon: know a couple of the hugest ones.
• 42:42
  Kearns: They basically told him, they gave him full direction.
• 42:45
  'cause the script was like, and then she transforms and he had nothing to go on.
• 42:50
  So he really had free reign.
• 42:51
  And he was a young guy and he was very surprised and he got, recognized for it
• 42:56
  and he ended up doing gremlins and stuff
• 42:59
  Jon: The Joe Dante connection.
• 43:01
  Kearns: there.
• 43:02
  Jon: I forgot I have another fantastic one star for you guys if you want it.
• 43:06
  Kearns: yeah, let's hear it before we do the top fives.
• 43:08
  Jon: One star should have called this the hurling.
• 43:15
  Kearns: This guy was so proud of that.
• 43:16
  Jon: Because that is what I felt like doing after watching this drl.
• 43:23
  This rot rot was like all other Wolfman movies.
• 43:29
  Redundant boundlessly boring.
• 43:32
  Hackneyed poorly performed even more poorly scripted.
• 43:37
  And finally just plain silly, why this garbage gets such high
• 43:43
  ratings is beyond my range of understanding, but to each his own.
• 43:48
  Kearns: Oh
• 43:49
  Jon: This ju
• 43:49
  Kearns: a nice caveat.
• 43:51
  Jon: this junk was no better than the old lawn Cheney werewolf
• 43:55
  films from the forties, and they were pathetic beyond belief.
• 44:00
  Kearns: Damn.
• 44:01
  Jon: This,
• 44:02
  Kearns: Damn,
• 44:04
  Jon: this vomitous build should be avoided at all costs.
• 44:10
  Thumbs way, way
• 44:13
  Ryan: are
• 44:13
  Jon: down.
• 44:14
  Ryan: buddy,
• 44:15
  Kearns: person.
• 44:15
  Ryan: knocked one of the greatest horror films ever.
• 44:18
  Jon: I mean, listen,
• 44:19
  Kearns: A hundred, maybe.
• 44:20
  Top one 50,
• 44:21
  Jon: he, if you call Wolfman movies rot, I think you should probably
• 44:27
  stop watching them like it.
• 44:28
  This seems to be an issue he has with werewolves to begin with.
• 44:32
  So just stop, you know, you don't like them.
• 44:36
  Kearns: Let's just
• 44:36
  Jon: It is racist.
• 44:37
  Kearns: It is racist
• 44:39
  Jon: specious at the very least.
• 44:41
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Very good call.
• 44:42
  Ryan: New,
• 44:43
  Kearns: Good call.
• 44:44
  Ryan: in the
• 44:44
  Kearns: hear him talking about the mommy.
• 44:46
  crispy
• 44:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:48
  Ryan: The Invisible
• 44:48
  Jon: Yeah.
• 44:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 44:52
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Good call.
• 44:53
  Ryan: still?
• 44:53
  Kearns: Good call.
• 44:54
  We don't even know what that guy looks like.
• 44:57
  Ryan: I hate them.
• 44:59
  Kearns: Speech.
• 45:00
  Yeah.
• 45:00
  Guys, that's the Howling.
• 45:02
  Great movie.
• 45:03
  Uh, good.
• 45:03
  Good.
• 45:05
  movie.
• 45:06
  It's a good movie.
• 45:07
  Jon: A good movie.
• 45:07
  Kearns: give it a shot.
• 45:08
  Give that, definitely give it a shot.
• 45:10
  And we'll be doing more werewolf stuff at some point in the future, I'm sure.
• 45:14
  Jon: Yeah,
• 45:14
  Kearns: we're gonna jump in the top vibes.
• 45:16
  Ryan, you got something good for us?
• 45:19
  started.
• 45:20
  Ryan: I'm going with top five Werewolf films.
• 45:22
  number five is Universal Pictures Werewolf of London.
• 45:27
  it's the first werewolf film, or at least talky werewolf film for that time.
• 45:31
  And the first from Universal.
• 45:34
  I was gonna say, John, I was gonna say, am I wrong?
• 45:37
  I, I think right.
• 45:38
  It's, was gonna say, and, it's very simple.
• 45:41
  rich, philanthropists, Wilfred Glendon, goes to Tibet in search of the extremely
• 45:47
  rare plant, Lumina Lupina, which is rumored to be nourished by the moon.
• 45:53
  And while there, he gets attacked by a werewolf and breaks loose
• 45:57
  when he comes back to England.
• 45:58
  And it really sets the standard for a lot of the werewolf floor and the stories.
• 46:04
  a different take, I would say, but my number there we go.
• 46:11
  And it's a short, segment or segments, I should say, from trick or treat.
• 46:16
  I don't wanna spoil it.
• 46:17
  It's one of my favorite segments with Ana Packin.
• 46:19
  But you've never seen it and you're trying to figure it out, it's a
• 46:23
  great twist if you've seen it.
• 46:27
  Give us a, like, put a comment, your favorite scene from Trick or Treat.
• 46:31
  But that leads me to number three.
• 46:34
  And yes, the Wolfman does have nars the Monster Squad.
• 46:39
  I,
• 46:39
  Jon: Yes.
• 46:39
  Ryan: like, I was like, how can I fit this movie on here?
• 46:42
  And I was like, I'm going to, I love that film.
• 46:46
  Watch that film too many times.
• 46:48
  God, anytime it's, it's like if it's on demand or something, I put it on,
• 46:53
  I always get through like the first five minutes and then get called away.
• 46:56
  Then I get to the German's house, get called away.
• 46:59
  That's how it goes.
• 47:00
  But once you get to the ending, so good.
• 47:04
  Jon: Yep.
• 47:05
  Monster Squad is like the perfect gateway horror for your kids.
• 47:08
  Ryan: Okay.
• 47:09
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 47:11
  That and what's the one with, Fred Savage.
• 47:14
  get burned by light.
• 47:16
  Jon: Little monsters.
• 47:17
  Kearns: Little monsters.
• 47:17
  Another really good one for kids to get into it 'cause it's just scary enough.
• 47:21
  Ryan: introduce via the Universal Horror Films, though?
• 47:24
  Like the black and white ones?
• 47:28
  Kearns: I watched Young Frankenstein, well, not young Frankenstein.
• 47:31
  It doesn't really count,
• 47:32
  Ryan: counts.
• 47:33
  Kearns: young Frankenstein at a young age and I did
• 47:35
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:35
  Kearns: I did see like the original Frankenstein and stuff like that.
• 47:37
  Well, before I saw any real, well, actually, that's not true.
• 47:41
  I saw Chucky and stuff at six, so it's wrong.
• 47:45
  But I was already formed.
• 47:46
  I was able to watch the movies as opposed to
• 47:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:49
  Kearns: be like,
• 47:51
  Jon: I feel like you could with the old black and white ones, although
• 47:54
  like this generation seems to not like the black and white thing.
• 47:58
  Ryan: wouldn't be able to,
• 48:00
  Kearns: can't hang.
• 48:01
  Ryan: like
• 48:02
  Jon: Yeah.
• 48:03
  Ryan: how I was introduced was through the Universal Horror films
• 48:06
  and like the creepiness, the music.
• 48:08
  So it's like once you see something.
• 48:11
  From like the eighties or the seventies or nineties, which is gory.
• 48:15
  It's like a shift.
• 48:16
  It's a big change.
• 48:17
  But that
• 48:18
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 48:19
  Ryan: another big change in the eighties.
• 48:21
  And we've been talking again about this movie all night.
• 48:24
  It's American Werewolf in London, man, John Landis ridden, directed.
• 48:29
  it's so good.
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  But there's a reason why it's number two, not because it's a bad movie,
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  but because the Wolfman with Launch Chaney Jr. Has to be number one.
• 48:40
  Just, I
• 48:41
  Kearns: Okay.
• 48:42
  Ryan: it.
• 48:42
  Kearns: That's fair.
• 48:43
  Ryan: It's just, one of the first
• 48:46
  Kearns: I was very excited for the remake that they did when they did the reboot.
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  Was that 15 years ago now or something?
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  Anthony Hopkins.
• 48:54
  Jon: Oh, that was that.
• 48:55
  That's not the Benicio del Toro one,
• 48:58
  Ryan: Anthony
• 48:58
  Jon: it?
• 48:59
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 48:59
  Yeah, it
• 49:00
  Jon: Are those the same ones?
• 49:01
  Ryan: They change it.
• 49:01
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 49:02
  It was decent enough for it to be like, okay, I am glad I came to see that movie.
• 49:07
  And they did the homage scenes with the camera shots and things like that.
• 49:10
  Ryan: I'm fine with it.
• 49:12
  I just don't like how they change it to where the father
• 49:18
  Anthony Hopkins is a werewolf.
• 49:20
  Because I felt like in the original, when Claude Rains kills
• 49:26
  launch his son, he kills Lawrence and like he scratched by him.
• 49:30
  The curse continues through him.
• 49:32
  After the realization of shit, I killed my son and now I have to
• 49:35
  live through this while with the Anthony Hopkins once I feel like,
• 49:39
  Kearns: a long time.
• 49:40
  Ryan: he kills Benicio if I remember.
• 49:42
  And then
• 49:42
  Kearns: Nah,
• 49:43
  Ryan: of does his own thing after.
• 49:45
  Right.
• 49:45
  He doesn't die.
• 49:45
  Right.
• 49:47
  Kearns: you're valid in that though, because that's one of your favorites.
• 49:50
  When somebody messes with something that you cherish like that, of
• 49:53
  course you're gonna be critical of it
• 49:56
  Jon: Um,
• 49:56
  Kearns: gonna get it right.
• 49:58
  Jon: no love for Jack Nicholson in Wolf.
• 50:00
  Ryan: Nielsen a wolf.
• 50:01
  Kearns: I really didn't like that movie.
• 50:03
  Jon: it's not I don't even know that it's really a horror movie.
• 50:07
  Kearns: Now
• 50:07
  Jon: It's more like,
• 50:08
  Kearns: really more about his sex life.
• 50:09
  Jon: yeah, it's more like a romance sex movie than a horror movie.
• 50:15
  Kearns: We're gonna take Jack's shirt off.
• 50:17
  Uh, let's make it about werewolves.
• 50:18
  We'll save money on shavers.
• 50:20
  Ryan: at that time?
• 50:21
  Kearns: Just do that.
• 50:22
  Ryan: Yeah, the
• 50:23
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 50:25
  All right, John, you're up top fizzy.
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  Five.
• 50:29
  Jon: I went top five d wallace slash d Wallace Stone movies.
• 50:35
  Kearns: Cool.
• 50:37
  Jon: So my number five, we had the first one a couple weeks
• 50:40
  ago in one of my top fives.
• 50:42
  We'll go with alligator two, the mutation.
• 50:45
  Kearns: Yes.
• 50:47
  Any of the alligator
• 50:48
  Jon: Yep, yep,
• 50:50
  Kearns: and second ones are very good.
• 50:51
  Jon: yep.
• 50:52
  A giant alligator has taken up residence in a city lake and
• 50:56
  munches on the urban denizens.
• 50:58
  She plays Christine Hodges.
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  Kearns: Okay.
• 51:02
  Jon: my number four is popcorn,
• 51:07
  Ryan: popcorn.
• 51:07
  Jon: and popcorn is a killer with a talent for disguise.
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  Carves up a group of college students hosting a horror movie
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  marathon at an abandoned theater,
• 51:17
  Ryan: a clown
• 51:17
  Kearns: Wow.
• 51:19
  It's like a stripper name.
• 51:21
  Could be a clown, could be a stripper.
• 51:22
  I don't ever thought of popcorn that way before, but there it is.
• 51:25
  Jon: and she plays Suzanne in that one
• 51:30
  Kearns: That name
• 51:31
  Jon: Popcorn's pretty good.
• 51:32
  Kearns: Go by popcorn.
• 51:33
  Jon: I'll probably have to pop popcorn onto the calendar for next year.
• 51:38
  Kearns: There you go.
• 51:40
  Pop it up on, if you guys
• 51:42
  Jon: Pop it up.
• 51:42
  Kearns: and appreciate it, you're not good people.
• 51:45
  I, I caught that on.
• 51:47
  Jon: Thank you.
• 51:48
  Thank you.
• 51:49
  So number three, I mean, there's one big obvious one and it's this one Cujo.
• 51:55
  Kearns: Oh, nice.
• 51:57
  Yeah, she's in it.
• 51:58
  All right.
• 51:58
  Jon: Yep.
• 52:01
  it's a rabid St. Bernard wreaking havoc on a small town.
• 52:05
  Stephen King adaptation.
• 52:06
  She's Donna Trenton,
• 52:08
  Ryan: He took the hardcover book from the library.
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  I saw it.
• 52:12
  The copy of Cujo.
• 52:15
  Kearns: Lost cover.
• 52:16
  No, no.
• 52:17
  would be way bigger.
• 52:18
  Jon: right.
• 52:19
  Number two sort of came up earlier.
• 52:22
  My number 2D Wallace movie is Critters.
• 52:27
  Ryan: Don't pick.
• 52:28
  Kearns: Nice.
• 52:29
  We even talked about critters nearly enough.
• 52:31
  Jon: no.
• 52:32
  I think we might have, to put the whole quadri on the calendar at some point.
• 52:37
  Ryan: over
• 52:37
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 52:38
  Jon: I mean, we can make fun of Baby Leo,
• 52:42
  Ryan: one, right?
• 52:43
  Third.
• 52:44
  Third one.
• 52:44
  Yep.
• 52:45
  Jon: third one.
• 52:45
  Yep.
• 52:46
  Ryan: Ah,
• 52:46
  Jon: Yep,
• 52:46
  Ryan: Leo.
• 52:47
  Jon: yep.
• 52:49
  So in Critters, she plays Helen Brown.
• 52:53
  a small vicious aliens pursued by alien bounty hunters landing a small farm
• 52:58
  town and begin to eat the residents.
• 53:01
  Ryan: good.
• 53:02
  Was it the second one?
• 53:04
  The second one's the, they're like the huge ball, right.
• 53:07
  Kearns: Paul.
• 53:08
  Ryan: they run over.
• 53:09
  Okay.
• 53:10
  Jon: Yeah,
• 53:11
  Kearns: and there's just the skeletons
• 53:12
  Jon: yeah,
• 53:13
  Kearns: that a
• 53:13
  Jon: yeah, yeah,
• 53:15
  Kearns: And then there was giant critter
• 53:17
  Ryan: right?
• 53:17
  That was the third one, or was that four?
• 53:20
  Jon: I
• 53:21
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 53:21
  They
• 53:21
  Jon: think so.
• 53:22
  Kearns: the stake.
• 53:22
  Who knows, man.
• 53:23
  Jon: Yeah, I,
• 53:26
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 53:27
  Critters ev everything made it to spa Anyway.
• 53:30
  Jon: Yeah.
• 53:30
  Kearns: one, John?
• 53:31
  Jon: So before I go to number one, I'll shout out probably her
• 53:35
  most famous role as the mom in et but et is not a horror movie.
• 53:39
  So it can't go on this list,
• 53:41
  Kearns: and
• 53:41
  Jon: even the
• 53:42
  Kearns: the kids use bad words to their mother in that
• 53:44
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 53:45
  Kearns: I didn't appreciate that.
• 53:46
  On my rewatch of et by the way,
• 53:48
  Ryan: a, as a
• 53:49
  Kearns: little dickheads.
• 53:50
  All right.
• 53:51
  Ryan: an adult you're like, yeah, little shit.
• 53:54
  Jon: It's a little creepy.
• 53:55
  I mean, it's a little kid hiding an adult being with a LightUp finger.
• 54:03
  Kearns: Tell me more.
• 54:04
  Spielberg.
• 54:05
  Jon: Yeah.
• 54:06
  Steve, what are we up to here?
• 54:08
  But no, my number one is House of the Devil.
• 54:13
  She's the landlady.
• 54:14
  a struggling college student.
• 54:16
  Takes on a strange babysitting job on the same night as a lunar
• 54:20
  eclipse and really weird things.
• 54:23
  Follow.
• 54:25
  Kearns: That's
• 54:27
  Ryan: That was
• 54:28
  Kearns: That was a cool one.
• 54:29
  Both of those were really good guys.
• 54:31
  And then, yeah, she's one of those actors for people like me
• 54:34
  generally would be like, I know you
• 54:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:37
  Kearns: like, that's big time.
• 54:38
  Like close encounters to the third cut or
• 54:40
  Jon: There's,
• 54:40
  Kearns: She's,
• 54:41
  Jon: there's nearly 300 acting credits on her IMDB page,
• 54:46
  Kearns: she's been a lot of stuff.
• 54:48
  Jon: lot of tv, a lot like, and still going.
• 54:51
  She was in a movie called Red Christmas a few years ago, which
• 54:54
  I wanted to like a lot more,
• 54:57
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 54:58
  Jon: but,
• 54:59
  Kearns: Just to do right.
• 55:00
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 55:01
  Kearns: but Ryan, saw me sneaking my book down.
• 55:03
  I was gonna do a sneaky top five and then I was trying to figure out my top.
• 55:07
  And I just don't love werewolf stuff as much as I need to do the sneaky top five.
• 55:12
  But when I do them, I do books, video games, and movies.
• 55:18
  So for this one, I just have one book I think people should tune
• 55:20
  into if they do like to read.
• 55:22
  And that's mongrels by Steven Graham Jones.
• 55:25
  And this is an interesting take on, the cross between poor, white trash
• 55:30
  and a. Werewolves and it's really good.
• 55:34
  It's just really good.
• 55:35
  gritty.
• 55:36
  with Steven Graham Jones, you either love him or you hate him.
• 55:39
  there's really not too much in between on his writing.
• 55:42
  It's kind of like, Brian Keane and stuff like that.
• 55:45
  they have their style and if it doesn't jive with you, Graham Jones, there's
• 55:48
  a few books he has that didn't hit with me, but this book is fantastic.
• 55:52
  It's kind of a must read if you like to read stuff about
• 55:55
  werewolves, so I highly recommend it.
• 55:58
  your list is like three long.
• 56:00
  You got like three in the queue.
• 56:01
  that I'm aware of.
• 56:02
  Ryan: Okay.
• 56:03
  I'm reading the ing
• 56:04
  Kearns: c crowing is by the greatest living horror writer.
• 56:08
  Ryan: The
• 56:08
  Kearns: I will say it.
• 56:09
  Ryan: still.
• 56:10
  Jon: And
• 56:10
  Kearns: say
• 56:10
  Ryan: looking for that dwarf.
• 56:12
  Kearns: barren,
• 56:13
  Jon: while we're,
• 56:14
  Ryan: the
• 56:14
  Kearns: spy.
• 56:15
  Jon: while we're shouting out stuff, I will,
• 56:18
  Kearns: Yes.
• 56:20
  Jon: fancy howling box set that, studio Canal put out.
• 56:25
  It may outta print.
• 56:26
  You might have to search eBay for it, but comes with a four KA Blu-ray.
• 56:31
  There's a book in here, a poster.
• 56:34
  If you can find it, it's worth it.
• 56:36
  Ryan: share,
• 56:37
  Kearns: a good one.
• 56:38
  Ryan: uh, I'm gonna, sorry John, I'm gonna steal it from you.
• 56:40
  John told me some information.
• 56:42
  If you get something that's from Europe and it's 4K, it
• 56:46
  will work in an American player.
• 56:48
  Jon: 4K.
• 56:49
  4K is region free.
• 56:51
  Blu-rays are not always, sometimes they are some, most of them are not.
• 56:56
  Kearns: Good
• 56:56
  Jon: But you can also get a region free Blu-ray player for about a hundred bucks
• 57:02
  Kearns: Okay.
• 57:03
  Jon: and you can,
• 57:04
  Kearns: these days.
• 57:06
  Jon: it will play, you know, US movies, you just have to mess with the setting.
• 57:10
  Ryan: Like, okay.
• 57:12
  Kearns: All right, sweet.
• 57:12
  Ryan: the audio.
• 57:14
  Kearns: All right.
• 57:16
  Jon: it's a, you have to switch between region codes.
• 57:20
  US is region A, most of the rest of everybody else's region B.
• 57:26
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 57:29
  All right, you filthy animals.
• 57:30
  We're getting outta here.
• 57:31
  We we're starting to record again at the end of a work week on a
• 57:34
  Friday night, and it is hard.
• 57:36
  So love you guys.
• 57:39
  See you next time.